| 00:00:00 | mallum | TomW: yes that should work |
| 00:01:21 | mallum | TomW: Im gonna release 0.2 tommorow , I'll put a tarball in my downloads dir on hh.org, so build root can use it |
| 00:01:45 | TomW | k |
| 00:02:16 | mallum | TomW: you may also want to install the extra themes package and some of the alternate themes may look better on an 8 bit display |
| 00:02:28 | TomW | mallum: I am pulling from your cvs, wouldn't it be better to use 'cvs -D20020425' instead? |
| 00:04:17 | mallum | TomW: 0.2 will be more or less whats in cvs at the moment |
| 00:05:05 | mallum | TomW: pulling a tarball dist will not require you to have all the autoconf gubbins ( and avoid having to run autoconfigure.sh ) |
| 00:06:28 | TomW | mallum: I got around the errors (fatal) of the autoconf. IMO, we should avoid special tarballs and keep to the cvs? That way, as you add features / bugfixes, we just pull from a later cvs copy? |
| 00:07:46 | mallum | TomW: how about if I put a 'latest is' link in my downloadables ? |
| 00:08:29 | mallum | TomW: honestly having to run autoconf and automake from cvs is the biggest problem in building it |
| 00:08:52 | mallum | TomW: it works fine from a 'make dist', with ./configure already created |
| 00:10:05 | TomW | K |
| 00:10:16 | TomW | mallum: I have an image, let me test it out. |
| 00:10:23 | mallum | TomW: ok |
| 00:11:41 | mallum | TomW: also to be honest 90% of matchbox functionality is there, theres not really a lot to do on it |
| 00:12:07 | TomW | mallum: I am think of: Xfbdev -ac & ; matchbox -display :0 & |
| 00:12:19 | mallum | TomW: I want to rewrite the theme engine, but more for a programming exercise than anything else , and tidy up the code a little .. |
| 00:12:31 | TomW | mallum: ... to start matchbox running on tinyx |
| 00:12:52 | mallum | whats '-ac' do ? |
| 00:13:10 | mallum | TomW: you'll need a term or something, matchbox has no built in 'menu' |
| 00:13:21 | TomW | jacques says it has something with detaching the console. |
| 00:13:29 | mallum | ah |
| 00:13:31 | TomW | we have rxvt |
| 00:14:08 | mallum | I wrote a little 'menu' program thats in apps/mmenu |
| 00:14:30 | mallum | It parses debian style /usr/lib/menu entrys |
| 00:14:38 | TomW | something like this to start things: |
| 00:14:41 | TomW | #!/bin/sh |
| 00:14:41 | TomW | sleep 5 |
| 00:14:41 | TomW | sleep 2 |
| 00:14:47 | TomW | ~ |
| 00:14:49 | TomW | crap |
| 00:15:06 | TomW | #!/bin/sh |
| 00:15:06 | TomW | /usr/X11R6/bin/Xfbdev -ac & |
| 00:15:06 | TomW | sleep 5 |
| 00:15:06 | TomW | /usr/X11R6/bin/matchbox -display :0 & |
| 00:15:06 | TomW | sleep 2 |
| 00:15:07 | TomW | /usr/X11R6/bin/rxvt -geometry +20+30 -display :0 & |
| 00:15:09 | TomW | /usr/X11R6/bin/oclock -geometry 80x80+540+20 -display :0 & |
| 00:15:11 | TomW | /usr/X11R6/bin/xeyes -geometry 75x40+420+400 -display :0 & |
| 00:15:13 | TomW | ~ |
| 00:15:15 | TomW | ~ |
| 00:16:57 | mallum | looks good |
| 00:17:52 | TomW | mallum: tuxscreen-image.jffs2 didn't build with matchbox stuff in it. I am uploading a new one now... |
| 00:18:10 | mallum | oclock looks a little funny in matchbox btw |
| 00:18:17 | TomW | mallum: I cannot wait! This has been a lot of work! But.. |
| 00:18:52 | TomW | *snif* I need a shower!!! |
| 00:19:51 | TomW | hope it finds its' files okay, I just guessed at the configure options. |
| 00:22:33 | mallum | fingers crossed ... |
| 00:23:23 | mallum | I just did a commit btw, of some minor fixes ... nothing major |
| 00:24:54 | Morn | is anyone that is here a pivot_root type of person? |
| 00:25:35 | mallum | ooo err missus |
| 00:26:01 | TomW | mallum: cool! It works! |
| 00:27:08 | mallum | TomW: :) |
| 00:27:12 | TomW | mallum: so, the apps occupy the whole window space, they won't shrink to occupy smaller size? |
| 00:27:32 | mallum | TomW: mostly ... dialogs float |
| 00:27:44 | mallum | TomW: also theres 'toolbar' windows |
| 00:27:53 | mallum | TomW: try a 'minisys -t' |
| 00:28:09 | mallum | TomW: have you seen the docs for it ? |
| 00:28:22 | TomW | rxvt: can't load color "Red3" |
| 00:28:22 | TomW | rxvt: can't load color "Green3" |
| 00:28:22 | TomW | rxvt: can't load color "Green3" |
| 00:28:33 | | somebody said matchbox was a X11 window manager for handheld devices. Info, screenshots & downloadable at http://handhelds.org/~mallum/matchbox . Ipkg is in the familiar unstable feed. Development versions and other goodies at http://handhelds.org/~mallum/downloadables/ |
| 00:28:33 | mallum | ibot: matchbox |
| 00:28:44 | TomW | is this what jacques was referring to with the 8bpp vs 16bpp? |
| 00:29:01 | mallum | TomW: did minisys give you that ? |
| 00:30:00 | TomW | minisys? |
| 00:30:11 | TomW | that was rxvt |
| 00:30:34 | mallum | hmmm |
| 00:30:48 | mallum | try 'minisys -t &' |
| 00:31:55 | mallum | the 8bpp problems earlier was related to silly xpm lib not being about to get a perfect match on colours so it gave up |
| 00:32:09 | TomW | # ./minisys -t -display :0 & |
| 00:32:09 | TomW | # X-error: X error (0): BadPixmap (opcode: 54) |
| 00:32:47 | TomW | # ./minisys -t & |
| 00:32:47 | TomW | # ./minisys: faipc : [<00009238>] lr : [<4012cf4c>] Not tainted |
| 00:32:47 | TomW | led to opsp : bffffc78 ip : bffffb90 fp : bffffe80 |
| 00:32:47 | TomW | en displar10: 00000000 r9 : 00000000 r8 : 00000000 |
| 00:32:47 | TomW | yr7 : 00012f10 r6 : bffffe94 r5 : 00012f10 r4 : 00000002 |
| 00:32:48 | TomW | r3 : 00000000 r2 : 00000018 r1 : 0000a386 r0 : 00000000 |
| 00:32:50 | TomW | Flags: nZCv IRQs on FIQs on Mode USER_32 Segment user |
| 00:32:52 | TomW | Control: C81EB17F Table: C81EB17F DAC: 00000015 |
| 00:33:27 | TomW | mallum: minisys -t & crashes without -display :0, probably to be expected. |
| 00:33:54 | TomW | You want me to commit my makefile, then you can see what it does? Or, don't you have a tux? |
| 00:37:15 | mallum | TomW: I have a tux, its been in peices for a while I've gotta put it back togeather again ... |
| 00:37:29 | mallum | TomW: I've got to get my build enviroment togeather |
| 00:37:36 | mallum | TomW: back togeather rather |
| 00:38:10 | TomW | mallum: k, I will commit what I have so that jacques_gone can test it out. |
| 00:38:16 | mallum | TomW: ok cool |
| 00:38:21 | TomW | mallum: what is that bar that the bottom for? |
| 00:38:24 | mallum | TomW: does minitime run & |
| 00:38:30 | mallum | TomW: its a dock |
| 00:38:51 | TomW | mallum: Oh, not to be used for switch apps then. |
| 00:39:07 | TomW | s/switch/switching between/ |
| 00:39:25 | mallum | TomW: see some of the screen shot to give you an idea -> http://handhelds.org/~mallum/screenshots/ |
| 00:39:51 | mallum | TomW: navigation between apps is accomplished by clicking on a window title, or the arrows in top right |
| 00:40:35 | TomW | mallum: no, minitime does not run. |
| 00:40:49 | fontenot | -ac disables X access control - so you can display remote apps without needed xhost or xauth |
| 00:40:52 | TomW | # ./minitime -display :0 & |
| 00:40:52 | TomW | # X Error: BadDrawable |
| 00:40:52 | TomW | Request Major code 62 () |
| 00:40:52 | TomW | ResourceID 0x0 |
| 00:40:53 | TomW | Error Serial #15 |
| 00:40:53 | TomW | Current Serial #19 |
| 00:40:55 | TomW | X-error: X error (0): BadWindow (opcode: 4) |
| 00:40:57 | fontenot | shower time |
| 00:41:39 | mallum | morning fontenot |
| 00:42:13 | mallum | TomW: try minivol |
| 00:43:01 | TomW | # ./minivol -display :0 & |
| 00:43:01 | TomW | [1] 112 Exit 1 ./minitime -display :0 |
| 00:43:01 | TomW | # /dev/mixer: No such file or directory |
| 00:43:23 | TomW | again: |
| 00:43:25 | TomW | # ./minivol -display :0 & |
| 00:43:25 | TomW | # /dev/mixer: No such file or directory |
| 00:46:53 | mallum | :( |
| 00:47:09 | mallum | not much joy with the dock apps |
| 00:50:03 | mallum | any better get to bed |
| 00:50:17 | mallum | probably catch you in the morning ... |
| 00:50:27 | mallum | 'night |
| 01:46:12 | jacques_gone | ok im finally here |
| 01:46:24 | TomW | jacques: wb |
| 01:46:31 | jacques | i could not find parking |
| 01:46:39 | jacques | drive around for > half hour |
| 01:46:48 | jacques | then had to park so far away it took 10 minutes to walk |
| 01:46:58 | TomW | you home? |
| 01:47:05 | jacques | work |
| 01:47:19 | TomW | hey, if there is no parking, go home. |
| 01:47:25 | jacques | heh |
| 01:47:33 | prpplague | howdy all |
| 01:47:38 | TomW | "you want me to work for you, make me happy!" |
| 01:47:50 | jacques | no parking is a real peeve of mine |
| 01:47:56 | TomW | hi prpplague |
| 01:48:00 | jacques | hi prpplague |
| 01:48:10 | TomW | matchbox is running, sortof. |
| 01:48:18 | TomW | no color. |
| 01:48:36 | jacques | thre's color in the buttons :-) |
| 01:48:48 | jacques | we need to use some less color-hungry themes |
| 01:49:03 | TomW | ?? everything is black on white. |
| 01:49:06 | jacques | mallum said there were some |
| 01:49:31 | TomW | oh, we have load a theme to get colorized apps? |
| 01:49:53 | jacques | TomW: http://intimate.handhelds.org/jacques/matchbox5.png |
| 01:50:25 | jacques | this colorized enough for you? http://intimate.handhelds.org/jacques/matchbox7.png |
| 01:50:51 | TomW | NO! You have netscape running on a Tux!? |
| 01:50:55 | jacques | remotely |
| 01:50:59 | jacques | dont get too excited |
| 01:51:02 | jacques | :-) |
| 01:51:05 | TomW | :-( |
| 01:51:30 | jacques | i need more ram |
| 01:51:39 | TomW | I have 64 meg... |
| 01:51:53 | jacques | TomW: this is bringing back bad memories - been so long since I have run in 8bpp |
| 01:52:04 | jacques | different apps handle color palletes differently |
| 01:52:14 | jacques | some are smart, some are criminally stupid |
| 01:52:48 | jacques | and they all have to either share the same 256 colors or be smart enough to install their own pallete and that creates technicolor effect |
| 01:53:28 | jacques | TomW: 64 would be very nice |
| 01:53:30 | TomW | I like the color on the screenshot, makes me feel better. |
| 01:53:36 | jacques | good |
| 01:53:41 | jacques | tat was my intention |
| 01:54:12 | TomW | We have a need for a touchscreen calibration. Suggestion as to where to implement it? |
| 01:55:30 | TomW | do I put the corrections into tinyx or do they go into matchbox, or into the device driver? |
| 01:57:37 | jacques | TomW: that is a big can of worms - I'll try to explaint eh current political situation |
| 01:58:32 | TomW | K, I know that RMK is against doing it in the driver. |
| 01:58:38 | jacques | arm kernel guy rmk wrote the new kernel ts driver, and refuses to allow calibration or jitter correction into the kernel - he says thats a user smace thing |
| 01:59:06 | jacques | rmk also wrote a library called tslib which is user space and does calibration and jitter correction, tho it is still rough |
| 01:59:28 | jacques | jg (jim gettys the X guy) does not want calibration in X |
| 01:59:51 | TomW | ... and Mallum does not want it in his stuff.. |
| 02:00:30 | jacques | after a lot of fighting over a period of about 6 months, jg decided to look at modifying X to use tslib or something like it, but nothing has come out of that |
| 02:00:34 | TomW | library seems to make sense. |
| 02:00:58 | jacques | I rewrote ts.c in tinyx to use tslib for the tux, but it was WAY too slow |
| 02:01:30 | TomW | can we send SIGUSER to tinyx? |
| 02:01:32 | jacques | so i went back to the hack we currently have - ts.c directly accessing kenel ts device and no calibration or jitter correction |
| 02:01:42 | TomW | ... and get it to process the SIG? |
| 02:01:46 | prpplague | jacques: can't be any worse than the nasty hack that mizi linux did for the CIIT camion unit |
| 02:01:53 | jacques | TomW: dunno, why? |
| 02:02:13 | jacques | i am very frustrated by the lack of calibration |
| 02:02:55 | jacques | but I have been hoping someone would either help me figure out why tslib is so slow or implement something else that works, because the ts stuff is not my forte |
| 02:03:16 | TomW | Well, if we make an /etc/tscal file, with the current DYNAMIC correction in it. Mod the ts code to read from /etc/tscal to get the correction values. Then we implement a SIGUSER which would cause a reload of the /etc/tscal values into our ts code within tinyx. |
| 02:03:16 | jacques | i was hoping geting tinyx into more ppl's hands would facilitate that |
| 02:03:49 | TomW | screw 'em if they want to fight over it! |
| 02:04:07 | jacques | TomW: yeah we could do that. i just wish the "official" solution would get done |
| 02:04:09 | | jg was last seen on #handhelds.org 1 days, 7 hours, 56 minutes and 26 seconds ago, saying: mallum: usually not very hard, in reality.... [Wed Apr 24 19:07:43 2002] |
| 02:04:09 | jacques | ibot: seen jg |
| 02:04:46 | TomW | jacques: you understand what I am going after? just write the value to the file and issue a SIGUSER to tinyx, then we got the new correction loaded. |
| 02:05:26 | jacques | TomW: you want an X based calibration program - I would be happy with fb based one - no need for the signal stuff in x |
| 02:06:16 | jacques | maybe we could steal something from microwindows or picogui |
| 02:06:41 | TomW | jacques: ./programs/Xserver/os/connection.c: OsSignal (SIGHUP, AutoResetServer); |
| 02:07:20 | TomW | jacques: we: ./programs/Xserver/os/connection.c: OsSignal (SIGUSER, ReadCalibrationData); |
| 02:07:38 | jacques | hmmm |
| 02:07:49 | jacques | i guess that's still there for the ipaq or something |
| 02:07:57 | TomW | Then it becomes independant of the window manager! |
| 02:08:11 | jacques | TomW: it should never be in the wm IMHO |
| 02:08:20 | TomW | correct. |
| 02:08:30 | TomW | wm is an abstration |
| 02:08:47 | jacques | eventually they are going to use the new kernel input system, and it will be system side |
| 02:08:49 | jacques | wide |
| 02:08:56 | TomW | it shouldn't be in tinyx either, but there is a performance issue here. |
| 02:09:03 | jacques | why is this all taking so log - it' sbeen > year! |
| 02:09:47 | jacques | i probably need to write email to rmk, but he seemed to not want to look into the X internals too much |
| 02:09:47 | TomW | ok, I will start implementing the correction in tinyx using SIGUSER + /etc/tscal. |
| 02:10:03 | jacques | he sould just blame the slowness I saw on x |
| 02:10:21 | TomW | my stylus is off by 12 (or so) pixels. |
| 02:10:33 | jacques | TomW: what are you going to use for a calibration program? |
| 02:11:08 | TomW | looks like I will have to write one. Just a simple "enter the number for X correction ..." |
| 02:11:26 | jacques | TomW: please look at this first: http://cvs.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/apps/xcalibrate/ |
| 02:11:42 | jacques | let's use all the ready-made wheels we can |
| 02:12:01 | prpplague | xcalivrate seems to work well on the ipaq running x as well as the aquapad |
| 02:12:44 | jacques | prpplague: do you know if that's what they're using still? |
| 02:12:47 | Morn | I found out that nfs mounting and doing a pivot_root doesn't work with solaris as the nfs server with the tuxscreen |
| 02:12:51 | Morn | it works though with linux |
| 02:13:30 | prpplague | jacques: i'm not big into the handhelds.org community, i'm only speaking of my own experience |
| 02:13:31 | TomW | jacques: k, I will check it out. now that I have a real need for this it now. |
| 02:14:06 | jacques | prpplague: ok, I just asked on #handelds.org but no response yet |
| 02:14:07 | prpplague | jacques: is the home brew stuff from ppl like mizi, gmate, and progear that have been problematic for us |
| 02:14:39 | prpplague | jacques: most with very little documentation and tentacles into the kernel |
| 02:14:48 | jacques | prpplague: :-\ |
| 02:14:59 | | I haven't seen 'cbifffle', vosque |
| 02:14:59 | vosque | ibot: seen cbifffle |
| 02:15:05 | TomW | jacques: it uses tk/tcl? :-( we don't have much room left. |
| 02:15:07 | | cbiffle was last seen on #tuxscreen 2 hours, 32 minutes and 23 seconds ago, saying: file: viagra O.O [Fri Apr 26 00:42:44 2002] |
| 02:15:07 | vosque | ibot: seen cbiffle |
| 02:15:18 | vosque | wellthen |
| 02:15:20 | jacques | TomW: I certainly hope not |
| 02:15:40 | cbiffle | vosque: enq |
| 02:15:46 | TomW | http://cvs.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/*checkout*/apps/xcalibrate/Makefile?rev=HEAD&content-type=text/plain |
| 02:15:49 | jacques | TomW: if it does, it should be relatively straight-forward to port to something else |
| 02:16:41 | jacques | TomW: dont look at the makefile - there is tons of crap in there that's never used |
| 02:16:48 | jacques | TomW: look at the includes in the source |
| 02:17:08 | TomW | k |
| 02:17:29 | jacques | TomW: I only see libX11 and libXpm as dependencies |
| 02:17:38 | prpplague | TomW: i was just thinking i never saw any requirments for tk/tcl for xcalibrate |
| 02:18:07 | jacques | prpplague: do you know if xcalibrate makes any assumptions about screen size or depth? |
| 02:18:18 | jacques | i had that problem with the tslib example progs |
| 02:19:32 | prpplague | jacques: IIRC, the xcalibrate is very flexible on screen size and depth, of course i'm not at the office other wise i'd have a look |
| 02:19:50 | jacques | prpplague: cool, that will sve time then |
| 02:20:11 | jacques | if we dont have to mod it for bigger shallower screen |
| 02:22:22 | prpplague | jacques: when i get to the office in the morning, i'll have a look and see what we've been doing the TS stuff |
| 02:23:10 | TomW | dirty, dirty, dirty. hack, hack, hack. more patching to get this thingy running... |
| 02:25:07 | jacques | TomW: ? |
| 02:34:34 | TomW | grrrrr! |
| 02:35:15 | prpplague | later guys, long day tomorrow of converting ksh2sh |
| 02:36:50 | jacques | we also need to figure out how to start X without the screen being all blue |
| 02:36:53 | jacques | that's a pain |
| 02:37:07 | jacques | TomW: what's wrong? |
| 02:39:20 | TomW | jacques: k,, making progress now. This will take a bit... I need a mental heath break. |
| 02:39:58 | jacques | TomW: is it really bad? |
| 02:41:07 | jacques | i printed it out but have some work stuff to do bfore looking at it |
| 02:41:38 | TomW | jacques: time to fetch a pint of Ben & Jerry's Premium ice cream, "Cherry Garcia" sounds nice. Then turn on the TV for an hour or so and enjoy myself for a while, then I get back to slogging along. |
| 02:42:03 | levi__ | mmmmmm, Ben&Jerry's |
| 02:42:03 | jacques | TomW: have fun! |
| 02:42:05 | david | david aka spd_racer911 |
| 02:42:28 | TomW | jacques: not that bad, just that I have not seen makefile defs like that before: INCROOT = ../xc-011010/exports/include |
| 02:42:28 | TomW | USRLIBDIR = /usr/X11R6/lib |
| 02:42:37 | jacques | TomW: want my advice? |
| 02:42:41 | TomW | k |
| 02:42:56 | jacques | TomW: dont use that makefile at all - it's a trivial build - one source file linked with libX11 and libXpm |
| 02:43:19 | jacques | TomW: that makefile was built by Imake - that's why it's unreadable and has tons os useless crap in it |
| 02:43:41 | TomW | k |
| 02:43:51 | TomW | goes for ice cream |
| 02:43:58 | Morn | goes with Tom |
| 02:44:14 | david | hey, I have been trying to get sound working using shanip2 mod...audio from ucb1200 out the speaker connections...has anyone got this working using 2.4.18 and /drivers/misc/ucb1x00-audio ? |
| 02:44:14 | TomW | is away: on mental health excursion |
| 02:44:52 | jacques | david: not me, I have not done the mod yet but want to |
| 02:46:04 | david | cat ./sound1.raw > /dev/dsp |
| 02:46:04 | david | audio_open |
| 02:46:04 | david | ucb1x00_audio_startup function called. |
| 02:46:04 | david | audio_clear_buf |
| 02:46:04 | david | audio_write: count=8192 |
| 02:46:05 | david | buf 0: start d8892000 dma d0190000 |
| 02:46:07 | david | buf 1: start d8894000 dma d0192000 |
| 02:46:09 | david | buf 2: start d8896000 dma d0194000 |
| 02:46:11 | david | buf 3: start d8898000 dma d0196000 |
| 02:46:13 | david | buf 4: start d889a000 dma d0198000 |
| 02:46:15 | david | buf 5: start d889c000 dma d019a000 |
| 02:46:17 | david | buf 6: start d889e000 dma d019c000 |
| 02:46:19 | david | buf 7: start d88a0000 dma d019e000 |
| 02:46:21 | david | write 8192 to 0 |
| 02:46:22 | david | audio_write: return=8192 |
| 02:46:25 | david | audio_write: count=8192 |
| 02:46:26 | david | write 8192 to 1 |
| 02:46:28 | david | audio_write: return=8192 |
| 02:46:32 | david | audio_write: count=8192 |
| 02:46:32 | david | write 8192 to 2 |
| 02:46:35 | david | audio_write: return=8192 |
| 02:46:36 | david | audio_write: count=7115 |
| 02:46:38 | david | write 7115 to 3 |
| 02:46:40 | david | audio_write: return=7115 |
| 02:46:43 | david | audio_release |
| 02:46:45 | david | audio_sync |
| 02:46:47 | david | audio_clear_buf |
| 02:46:52 | david | sorry for the large dump! |
| 02:47:09 | david | however still no audio, nor any signal (testing with freqency counter) on the speaker output of the ucb1200 device |
| 02:47:32 | | GPSFan was last seen on #tuxscreen 4 days, 50 minutes and 9 seconds ago, saying: Tangent: that's ok, things will get better, I'm sure. [Mon Apr 22 02:57:23 2002] |
| 02:47:32 | jacques | ibot: seen GPSFan |
| 02:47:40 | jacques | hmg |
| 02:47:45 | GPSFan | hi jacques:\ |
| 02:48:44 | david | GPSFan: have you done the shanip2 mod ? |
| 02:50:17 | GPSFan | david: sort of, i didn't do board, just wired it up, unfortunately I haven't gotten around to testing it fully, |
| 02:51:06 | david | GPSFan: that's what I did, sorta hacked it together on the a small test board...well I will keep trying and maybe send an e-mail to the list. |
| 02:51:11 | jacques | hi GPSFan :-) |
| 02:51:15 | GPSFan | david: I was involved in it's development though. |
| 02:51:29 | Morn | sighs. |
| 02:51:46 | GPSFan | hi jacques: looks like you & TomW have been doing great things... |
| 02:52:25 | jacques | GPSFan: thanks, we're just trying to get tinyx into more ppl's hands |
| 02:52:31 | Morn | nfs mounting the familiar task-bootstrap should work right? |
| 02:52:39 | david | GPSFan: it seems the audio output enable of the UCB1200 (Audio control register B) is not set...I will keep working at it. |
| 02:53:29 | GPSFan | david: I'm a hardware type, Gork & SpaceCoaster did a lot of the software. |
| 02:53:59 | david | GPSFan: I'm a hardware type also...probably the problem! :-) |
| 02:54:10 | | Gork was last seen on #tuxscreen 10 days, 6 hours, 58 minutes and 8 seconds ago, saying: is idle, automatically dead [bX(l/on p/on)] [Mon Apr 15 20:56:02 2002] |
| 02:54:10 | jacques | ibot: seen Gork |
| 02:54:13 | GPSFan | david: ;>) |
| 02:54:21 | | spacecoaster was last seen on #tuxscreen 7 days, 10 hours, 37 minutes and 10 seconds ago, saying: so a shanip board, do the current kernels support audio (if a shanip is installed) ? [Thu Apr 18 17:17:11 2002] |
| 02:54:21 | jacques | ibot: seen spacecoaster |
| 02:54:49 | david | yes the seem to |
| 02:55:00 | jacques | I am still waiting for someone to make a shanip kit :-) |
| 03:42:29 | pmisfit | is back (gone 03:53:52) |
| 03:44:09 | pmisfit | jacques: TomW: http://www.246gt.com:8030/projects/tuxscreen/x/whatchanged.diff |
| 03:44:34 | pmisfit | the "nonworking" is from /dev/tty1, the "working" is from /dev/ttySA0 |
| 03:49:02 | jacques | hi pmisfit! hi andersee! |
| 03:49:38 | jacques | pmisfit: that host is not resolving, iP? |
| 03:50:00 | pmisfit | ??? |
| 03:50:09 | pmisfit | scrambles to do dns debugging |
| 03:50:35 | jacques | the damn dns servers are offnet |
| 03:51:11 | jacques | just give me the IP |
| 03:51:25 | pmisfit | it's a virtual host :-( |
| 03:51:32 | jacques | o |
| 03:51:52 | jacques | well 199.1.92.13 and 199.1.92.10 are not pingable |
| 03:52:22 | jacques | pmisfit: are you in SF? |
| 03:52:39 | pmisfit | wonders if his ISP has gone south? |
| 03:52:44 | pmisfit | yes |
| 03:52:50 | pmisfit | 94080 |
| 03:52:55 | jacques | pmisfit: cool I am in Sunnyvale 94087 |
| 03:53:21 | pmisfit | heh. wandering among the carnage of the dot-bomb too, eh? ;-) |
| 03:54:19 | pmisfit | we could probably get into a long discussion about rents and real estate... |
| 03:54:44 | pmisfit | anyway, here's the pertinent lines: |
| 03:54:46 | jacques | heh, I think I was the last person to actually move to CA for a dotcom job - in jan 2001 |
| 03:55:08 | pmisfit | wow... that's living on the edge! |
| 03:55:17 | jacques | lol |
| 03:55:26 | pmisfit | hopefully they paid your relo anyway ;-) |
| 03:55:42 | pmisfit | -ioctl(0, SNDCTL_TMR_TIMEBASE, {B9600 opost isig icanon echo ...}) = 0 |
| 03:55:42 | pmisfit | -ioctl(1, SNDCTL_TMR_TIMEBASE, {B9600 opost isig icanon echo ...}) = 0 |
| 03:55:42 | pmisfit | +ioctl(0, SNDCTL_TMR_TIMEBASE, {B38400 opost isig icanon echo ...}) = 0 |
| 03:55:42 | pmisfit | +ioctl(1, SNDCTL_TMR_TIMEBASE, {B38400 opost isig icanon echo ...}) = 0 |
| 03:56:49 | pmisfit | and then.. |
| 03:57:06 | jacques | (they did) |
| 03:57:36 | jacques | the + lines are working ? |
| 03:58:03 | pmisfit | i got it bass-ackwards, the ++ are nonworking, sorry. |
| 03:58:46 | pmisfit | i think it's a stdin/stdout/stderr problem |
| 03:59:19 | jacques | why does the screen turn blue ? |
| 03:59:32 | jacques | it's like the red and green channels are off |
| 03:59:50 | pmisfit | good call. |
| 04:00:02 | Morn | pmisfit: I found out that for some reason the nfsmount and pivot_root don't work with solaris nfs |
| 04:00:13 | Morn | it does work with linux nfs though |
| 04:00:29 | pmisfit | Morn: oops, forgot to mention, try nfsvers=2 |
| 04:00:49 | pmisfit | Morn: i had a problem with linux not wanting to mount freebsd with nfs 3 too. |
| 04:01:03 | Morn | oh? |
| 04:01:13 | pmisfit | feels stupid he didn't mention that earlier |
| 04:01:32 | Morn | well, I have another problem even with linux.... it seems to mount and executes the linuxrc of the new root |
| 04:01:40 | pmisfit | ya. mount -o nfsvers=2,nolock ultrasparc:/export/files /mnt/files |
| 04:01:43 | Morn | but it gets to /sbin/init and never returns |
| 04:02:12 | Morn | I'm using the familiar taskbootstrap |
| 04:02:18 | Morn | that should boot shouldn't it? |
| 04:02:43 | pmisfit | i'm not familiar with familiar (sorry, coudldnt resist) |
| 04:02:54 | Morn | doh! |
| 04:03:05 | pmisfit | seriously, i've never used taskbootstrap. |
| 04:03:49 | pmisfit | is it busybox init? |
| 04:04:00 | Morn | no |
| 04:04:16 | Morn | It uses a real /etc/rc.d type of setup |
| 04:04:59 | pmisfit | ok, can you specify a different runlevel? start up into single-user? |
| 04:05:22 | Morn | I guess I could edit inittab to boot into single user |
| 04:05:31 | Morn | it boots into runlevel 2 by default |
| 04:05:41 | pmisfit | might be worth a try. |
| 04:06:16 | pmisfit | jacques: i'm shuffling web servers around... one moment... |
| 04:06:42 | Morn | ok folks, I'm going to mess with this in the morning |
| 04:06:50 | Morn | I didn't get much sleep last night |
| 04:07:09 | pmisfit | ya, this is definitely a nighttime crowd! |
| 04:07:53 | Morn | is away: while (tired) { sleep(5000); } |
| 04:09:57 | pmisfit | jacques: that dns server isn't far from you, it's down at abovenet in SJ. |
| 04:10:49 | jacques | 12. core1-e0.san-jose.webnexus.net 0% 10 10 8 8 8 9 |
| 04:10:49 | jacques | 13. 209.141.18.46 0% 10 10 9 8 9 10 |
| 04:10:50 | jacques | 14. ??? |
| 04:11:02 | pmisfit | jacques: ok try http://64.121.1.24/tmp/x |
| 04:11:19 | jacques | need a port # ? |
| 04:11:19 | pmisfit | jacques: whoops http://64.121.1.24:8030/tmp/x |
| 04:11:47 | jacques | hmm it's hanging |
| 04:11:58 | pmisfit | wtf? |
| 04:12:50 | jacques | ok now it worked but got file not found |
| 04:12:59 | pmisfit | hm |
| 04:13:29 | pmisfit | http://64.121.1.24:8030/tmp/x/ |
| 04:13:38 | pmisfit | note trailing slash |
| 04:14:22 | jacques | ok finally |
| 04:14:41 | pmisfit | sorry |
| 04:15:19 | pmisfit | picks up tubafour and goes looking for his dns hoster... |
| 04:16:10 | pmisfit | we got a hint from bzflag last nite that the microwindows guys have solved this problem |
| 04:16:24 | jacques | hmmmmm |
| 04:16:31 | pmisfit | i suspect that the closing of stdin/out/err might help... |
| 04:16:34 | | microwindows is at http://microwindows.org/ |
| 04:16:34 | jacques | ibot: microwindows |
| 04:16:56 | jacques | i forget who the microwin guys are around here |
| 04:17:01 | pmisfit | jacques: cd buildroot-tux; make microwindows |
| 04:17:19 | jacques | i get them confused with the picogui guys |
| 04:17:27 | jacques | pmisfit: yeah I knw |
| 04:17:55 | pmisfit | looks at commit log for microwindows.mk |
| 04:18:00 | jacques | i wonder if searching their laiming list would help |
| 04:18:05 | jacques | mailing list |
| 04:18:54 | | BZFlag was last seen on #tuxscreen 4 hours, 59 minutes and 5 seconds ago, saying: smacks TomW up side the head. [Fri Apr 26 00:19:49 2002] |
| 04:18:54 | jacques | ibot: seen BZFlag |
| 04:19:15 | pmisfit | lol. laiming list. i like that. |
| 04:19:37 | TomW | is back (gone 01:35:23) |
| 04:20:08 | pmisfit | like, a really lame mailing list, is a laiming list. clever. |
| 04:20:28 | TomW | I guess I wasn't paying attention to BZFlag, I was so engrossed with matchbox and talking with mallum that I didn't notice the knock in the head! |
| 04:20:54 | pmisfit | jacques: sorry, i know what you meant. good idea. they have to have left some breadcrumbs somewhere... |
| 04:21:11 | jacques | TomW: heh |
| 04:21:30 | pmisfit | TomW: he was pissed about Xfbdev being dependent on rxvt, or something. |
| 04:21:37 | jacques | pmisfit: yeah someone must have reported the problem |
| 04:21:41 | TomW | jacques: slightly better state of mind right now, I got another bottle of ginger ale.. |
| 04:21:58 | jacques | TomW: cool :) |
| 04:22:25 | TomW | Ah, I told him that we were going for mileage and the cleanup would come later.. |
| 04:23:02 | TomW | details, details, it was building runable stuff. |
| 04:23:06 | TomW | :-D |
| 04:23:29 | pmisfit | now he's a senior executive at a troubled company... probably lots of stress. |
| 04:23:47 | TomW | I'm an engineer, I leave the grunt work to others less capable. |
| 04:23:51 | TomW | ducks |
| 04:23:52 | pmisfit | lol |
| 04:25:01 | jacques | well i agree that we are trying to get this out to the masses quickly - cleanup can come later |
| 04:25:13 | jacques | by ppl more nitpicky than I |
| 04:25:15 | jacques | :-D |
| 04:25:22 | pmisfit | it's linux, whaddya expect? |
| 04:25:39 | TomW | yeah, like getting rid of blue screens (literally) |
| 04:25:45 | TomW | heh |
| 04:26:03 | pmisfit | puts on cowboy hat and starts six-guns a-blazin' |
| 04:26:05 | jacques | yeah that, working wm, and calibration are the priority now |
| 04:26:31 | jacques | not necessarily in that order |
| 04:26:34 | TomW | jacques: who are these "masses" that you speak of? I only see 24 people logged in at any one time. |
| 04:27:06 | jacques | TomW: well i am constantly amazed at hme many ppl use this stuff but dont hang on irc |
| 04:27:10 | TomW | most of them, I suspect, are casually lurking. |
| 04:27:12 | jacques | they post on the mailing list |
| 04:27:40 | TomW | MAILING LIST!! They still have those things! <incredible> |
| 04:27:43 | pmisfit | or don't post at all. i think bzflag will have sold about 1,000 of these when they'r egone? |
| 04:28:02 | jacques | yeah i have to reember to look at it occasionaly because there is some non-ovelapping content |
| 04:28:08 | pmisfit | s/they'r egone/they're gone/ |
| 04:28:09 | TomW | heh, that is why I bought 5 and BZFlag gave me one. |
| 04:28:29 | jacques | i bought 4 and frequently think about buying more |
| 04:28:42 | TomW | me too, but low on cash right now. |
| 04:28:54 | pmisfit | more people will think about buying them once xwindows works... |
| 04:29:03 | jacques | yeah $99 is an incredible deal but it does add up :-) |
| 04:29:43 | pmisfit | ehm, an "incredible deal" is the guy who bought a truckload of 'em for the price of shipping and storage... |
| 04:29:45 | TomW | maybe we can talk BZFlag into a Christmas Club kind of deal? $5 per week until their paid for? |
| 04:30:15 | jacques | lol |
| 04:30:36 | jacques | i think BZFlag wants them out of his basement |
| 04:30:41 | TomW | no, don't think he would do that eh? |
| 04:30:42 | jacques | or rathre his wife does |
| 04:31:02 | pmisfit | thinks jacques nailed it right there |
| 04:31:35 | TomW | ... she wants to see some of that money he promised her that he would "make on this deal", heh. |
| 04:31:45 | jacques | lol |
| 04:31:50 | TomW | eh? |
| 04:31:54 | TomW | BTDT |
| 04:32:13 | jacques | i got a wireless AP last night |
| 04:32:21 | TomW | Wifi? |
| 04:32:25 | jacques | yep |
| 04:32:34 | jacques | I have wireless cards for my tuxes |
| 04:32:41 | jacques | i hope it works |
| 04:32:44 | TomW | I haven't played with that. I am out here in the boonies. |
| 04:32:52 | pmisfit | anyone had any successs with wifi? |
| 04:32:58 | TomW | Stroudsburg 18360 |
| 04:32:59 | pmisfit | on a tux? |
| 04:33:26 | TomW | jacques: you're on one side, I'm on the other. |
| 04:33:32 | jacques | imagine making a robot with a tux for a brain and wireless comm |
| 04:33:41 | jacques | TomW: yep :-) |
| 04:33:43 | TomW | lawnmower! |
| 04:33:56 | jacques | my lawn is about postage stamp size |
| 04:34:15 | TomW | .. controlled by my home pc with IR laser tri-angular. |
| 04:34:29 | TomW | triangulation. |
| 04:34:39 | jacques | hmm no response on the wifi question here :-\ |
| 04:34:59 | TomW | looks like you are on the bleedin edge again.. |
| 04:35:26 | TomW | ok, time to go an code xcalib |
| 04:36:06 | jacques | PaulS has been using a Prism2-based (3.3v) 802.11b PCMCIA card in his TuxScreen. He further believes that the Linksys WCF11 is an example of a Prism2-based CF card, which should presumably work (you need prism2 direvers installed, of course, but that's not too hard). |
| 04:36:10 | jacques | from the wiki |
| 04:36:31 | jacques | my cards are prism2 based |
| 04:37:12 | jacques | im going ot get food and move my car into the same zip code as my office |
| 04:37:17 | jacques | BIAB |
| 05:00:14 | TomW | jacques: give me that url for the netscape display running on the Tux. |
| 05:10:35 | jacques | http://intimate.handhelds.org/jacques/matchbox5.png |
| 05:10:50 | jacques | back with bag o burgers |
| 05:13:18 | TomW | jacques: tnx, chatting with Dani in Switzerland over AIM about the Tux. |
| 05:14:46 | jacques | TomW: i am linuxjacques on AIM |
| 05:15:09 | david | guys, what is AIM ? |
| 05:15:27 | jacques | aol instant messenger |
| 05:15:49 | david | of course! :-) |
| 05:19:58 | TomW | jacques: yeah, Dani is bashfull. |
| 05:20:49 | pmisfit | jacques: if you want to mess around with 802.11, a buddy of mine in san carlos has a tux and dlink 650 cards |
| 05:21:56 | pmisfit | but first things first... exhausted... time for sleep... |
| 05:22:13 | pmisfit | is away: snooooze... |
| 05:22:45 | jacques | later pmisfit |
| 05:28:24 | TomW | jacques: I'll catch up with you tomorrow. I am beat, time for sleep! |
| 05:28:30 | jacques | TomW: ok later |
| 07:13:43 | kergoth | andersee: at line 342 in busybox/editors/vi.c, you need to change #ifdef CONFIG_FEATURE_VI_DOT_CMD to #if defined(CONFIG_FEATURE_VI_DOT_CMD) || defined(CONFIG_FEATURE_VI_YANKMARK) .. otherwise modifying_cmds gets used uninitialized in the check context function, which causes it to segfault when you press a key. |
| 07:22:45 | fontenot | yawns. |
| 07:38:10 | BZFlag | kergoth: committed. |
| 07:38:17 | kergoth | BZFlag: thanks |
| 07:38:32 | fontenot | hi BZFlag |
| 07:42:45 | fontenot | arg problem with xcalibrate |
| 07:43:12 | fontenot | unlike the h3600_ts driver, apparently ucb1200 does not allow multiple readers |
| 07:45:25 | fontenot | /* |
| 07:45:25 | fontenot | * Why this works, when the X server is also trying to read samples, |
| 07:45:25 | fontenot | * is beyond me. But we'll take it. - Jim Gettys |
| 07:45:25 | fontenot | */ |
| 07:45:30 | fontenot | GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 07:46:20 | BZFlag | flame^h^h^H^H^h ping jim and ask him for a solution. |
| 07:46:51 | fontenot | he supposedly had been working on this stuff for 6 months |
| 07:47:06 | fontenot | but that above is for the h3600_ts driver |
| 07:47:35 | fontenot | obviously the ucb driver behaves differently, and may make an x calibration app imposible without modifying x somehow |
| 07:48:49 | fontenot | i guess I will go find my tslib ts.c so and put it up for ppl to look at |
| 07:49:02 | fontenot | maybe someone can tell me why it's so unusably slow |
| 07:55:00 | fontenot | i should see if there is any new code in tslib cvs (but I doubt it) |
| 07:55:58 | LoneTech | in picogui, the calibration app uses a special event sent by the touchscreen driver when asked |
| 07:56:02 | fontenot | man OLS is filling fast! |
| 07:56:11 | fontenot | LoneTech: really? sounds interesting |
| 07:56:38 | fontenot | LoneTech: how does it handle the calibration app and the gui having the device open simultaneously? |
| 07:58:26 | fontenot | maybe the driver does allow that and I am having a different problem |
| 07:59:08 | LoneTech | fontenot: we don't do that, the "driver" I referred to is the code in the picogui server that reads touchscreen data |
| 07:59:16 | LoneTech | sorry |
| 07:59:39 | fontenot | ah, as I said about X, the gui itself has to be modified to do the calibration |
| 07:59:46 | LoneTech | it seemed the logical way to do it. this way picogui can share the calibration code for multiple touchscreen drivers. |
| 07:59:53 | LoneTech | nods |
| 08:00:09 | fontenot | hmmm 2.4.18-rmk5 is out |
| 08:00:15 | fontenot | we are somewhat behind |
| 08:00:20 | LoneTech | well, there's support for extensions in X. don't know how hard they are to use or write. |
| 08:01:55 | fontenot | nor do i |
| 08:03:24 | andersee | kergoth`zzz: Fixed in stable as well |
| 08:04:18 | fontenot | hi andersee |
| 08:04:51 | cbiffle | My phone works again! Development of the OPIE patches will proceed. |
| 08:05:06 | LoneTech | congrats, cbiffle |
| 08:05:24 | fontenot | cbiffle: how? |
| 08:05:51 | cbiffle | The solution wound up being to pull batteries and power and leave it unattended for two days straight. Then, when I booted it, the message light wasn't on, but phone functions still didn't work until tuxphone started. Then, all was well. :-) |
| 08:06:23 | cbiffle | So some sort of a configuration register in the DSP probably got munged. |
| 08:06:28 | fontenot | wow |
| 08:06:30 | fontenot | well congrats |
| 08:06:35 | fontenot | > Is there any specific reason for not using GCC 3.0.4 for kernel compilation ? |
| 08:06:35 | fontenot | Yes: gcc 3.x currently produces non-bootable kernels. |
| 08:06:49 | cbiffle | fontenot: So? Who really needs to boot their kernel? |
| 08:07:08 | cbiffle | *grin* |
| 08:07:28 | LoneTech | I have a 3.0.4 that produced a few working kernels |
| 08:07:53 | vosque | I think the problem lies in some oft-used features. |
| 08:07:58 | vosque | Not a part of the core kernel itself. |
| 08:07:58 | fontenot | yeah further posts in the thread implied that it was a much more complex situation |
| 08:08:00 | LoneTech | it was built some month(s) ago though I think. |
| 08:08:10 | LoneTech | hm? |
| 08:09:20 | cbiffle | I do seem to be getting some crackle on the audio that I didn't see before...even during ringtone. I know I've seen discussion of that before; thoughts? |
| 08:10:07 | fontenot | i just discovered that one of my tuxes turns off the backlight if I pull the screen all the way vertical |
| 08:10:22 | cbiffle | Neat! Loose wire? |
| 08:10:22 | fontenot | who can say? |
| 08:10:30 | fontenot | cbiffle: sure acts like it |
| 08:10:52 | cbiffle | fontenot: I've not had the screen open, but the shots I've seen of it look pretty simple in there... |
| 08:11:14 | fontenot | what's this gcc 3.1 I keep hearing about ? |
| 08:11:22 | cbiffle | Hm. So, do we not have a curses implementation at -all-? |
| 08:11:25 | fontenot | Likewise, the compiler fixes should have made their way into the GCC 3.1 |
| 08:11:25 | fontenot | branch - I wouldn't bother with 3.0 though. |
| 08:11:33 | fontenot | ?? |
| 08:12:28 | vosque | moos |
| 08:12:32 | fontenot | cbiffle: both ncurses 5.2 and slang 1.4.4 are listed in the uclibc working apps list |
| 08:12:41 | cbiffle | Ah. Silly me, I was looking in the Wiki. :-) |
| 08:13:09 | fontenot | silly cbiffle - wiki's are for dominatrixes |
| 08:13:16 | fontenot | (or something like that) |
| 08:13:17 | cbiffle | LOL |
| 08:13:24 | cbiffle | awards fontenot one Bjork lyric. |
| 08:13:36 | vosque | ? |
| 08:14:01 | fontenot | :-D |
| 08:14:33 | cbiffle | (Sorry -- the currency used on a mailing list a subscribe to, which is half esoteric programming languages, half discordian, uses zorkmids as their basic currency, and the Bjork lyric is a larger compound currency of around 100 zorkmids. They're handed out on-list in response to particularly interesting statements.) |
| 08:15:34 | vosque | clicks on 'zorkmids'; |
| 08:15:49 | andersee | cbiffle: what was that about curses? |
| 08:15:52 | andersee | hi fontenot |
| 08:16:06 | fontenot | i was cursing jg |
| 08:17:02 | cbiffle | andersee: Ah, I couldn't find a curses implementation that was known-good against our teensy Linux environs. fontenot cleared it up for me. |
| 08:17:29 | fontenot | cbiffle: there is a minislang mentioned in the working apps like too, but I could not get it to work for me... |
| 08:18:02 | fontenot | maybe because I was expecting a curses compat layer |
| 08:18:02 | cbiffle | fontenot: I wrote a stripped-down version of curses for a color Vt mpeg renderer I wrote, because curses turned out to be very slow. I'll see about porting it. |
| 08:18:29 | fontenot | cbiffle: that sounds really cool, because I think ncurses it rather large |
| 08:18:41 | cbiffle | Hm. So this was interesting: my phone just dropped to powersave and started ringing off the hook until I woke it back up. :-) |
| 08:18:50 | cbiffle | I'm now waiting for it to do it again. |
| 08:18:58 | fontenot | i was trying to port top |
| 08:19:05 | fontenot | cbiffle: it's possessed! |
| 08:19:20 | | cbiffle's phone is nothing but an imp-bladdereddle-headed stack of humid pus. |
| 08:19:20 | fontenot | ibot: insult cbiffle's phone |
| 08:19:25 | cbiffle | fontenot: That's actually on my list; I've done a lot of work with top under FreeBSD (adapting it for a case-mounted CPU meter) and am pretty familiar with the source. |
| 08:19:48 | fontenot | cbiffle: OOOOHHH!!! nice! |
| 08:19:50 | cbiffle | fontenot: Though the top in the procps package looks easier to port than the older every-UNIX-on-the-sun-but-originally-AT&T top. |
| 08:20:03 | cbiffle | s/sun/planet/ |
| 08:20:18 | fontenot | LOL |
| 08:20:43 | cbiffle | I've been sick today, I've had to nice English down quite a bit to free up CPU for things like getting my lazy arse out of bed. |
| 08:20:49 | andersee | cbiffle: slang works... |
| 08:20:59 | cbiffle | andersee: Not familiar with it. Will go learn. *trots off to manpages* |
| 08:21:14 | fontenot | anyone know size comparison of slang and ncurses ? |
| 08:21:18 | andersee | cbiffle: I added it to buildroot a while back |
| 08:21:24 | cbiffle | It's not the size that matters, fontenot, it's how they render. |
| 08:21:31 | cbiffle | cbiffle: Really? *peeks around his filesystem* |
| 08:21:33 | fontenot | arg not that again! |
| 08:21:37 | fontenot | :-D |
| 08:21:39 | cbiffle | Erm. That was for andersee. Y'all can figure it out. |
| 08:21:41 | andersee | cbiffle: Many apps are pre-ported upstream to use slang instead... |
| 08:22:23 | andersee | cbiffle: The version for buildroot is a hacked up microversion of slang |
| 08:22:24 | cbiffle | andersee: Interesting. I've never even heard of it until tonight; I've always been a curses fellow. |
| 08:22:32 | BZFlag | andersee: so you just planning s/(c)/()/ to fix telnet? |
| 08:22:42 | BZFlag | oh, and go to bed. ;-) |
| 08:22:54 | cbiffle | Oh, btw, having odd issues with telnetd. |
| 08:23:00 | fontenot | telnet ? |
| 08:23:05 | cbiffle | I'm sure it's something mind-blowingly simple, I just haven't figured it out. |
| 08:23:10 | fontenot | i keep meaning to try it |
| 08:23:23 | BZFlag | fontenot: telnet in busybox HEAD is busted. |
| 08:23:31 | fontenot | BZFlag: d'oh |
| 08:23:45 | cbiffle | BZFlag: I'm running v0.60.2 and it doesn't work for me. |
| 08:23:54 | fontenot | what is netstat-like on tux ? |
| 08:24:57 | cbiffle | Hm. So now my phone is ringing randomly, singing static out of the speakerphone, and blinking the message light periodically. If I pick up the handset I can't hear the dialtone through the static. Thoughts? |
| 08:25:31 | fontenot | from my dmesg: |
| 08:25:34 | fontenot | Out of Memory: Killed process 455 (Xfbdev). |
| 08:25:34 | fontenot | Out of Memory: Killed process 464 (Xfbdev). |
| 08:25:34 | fontenot | Out of Memory: Killed process 464 (Xfbdev). |
| 08:25:34 | fontenot | Out of Memory: Killed process 496 (Xfbdev). |
| 08:25:36 | fontenot | :-D |
| 08:25:45 | cbiffle | Oooh, now when I boot it, it rings constantly out the speaker, but the pitch of the ring dances up and down. Sounds eerie. Has anyone else seen this? |
| 08:25:51 | fontenot | have i mentioned i need more RAM ? |
| 08:25:58 | andersee | BZFlag: That is busybox (i.e. unstable). We use busybox.stable (0.60.[23]) on the tuxscreen. |
| 08:26:06 | BZFlag | fontenot: ls -l /proc/[0-9]*/fd | more |
| 08:26:10 | BZFlag | grins |
| 08:26:59 | fontenot | BZFlag: how do I get open ports out of that ? |
| 08:27:18 | BZFlag | well, maybe not ports, but it's cool. |
| 08:27:28 | andersee | BZFlag: there are 2 busybox source trees. Which is why I want to finish off 0.60.3 and be done with the 2nd tree. |
| 08:27:33 | fontenot | andersee: is there a netstat in busybox ? |
| 08:28:13 | andersee | fontenot: is in unstable |
| 08:28:37 | fontenot | andersee: hmmmmmmmmm :-D |
| 08:28:51 | cbiffle | andersee: In 0.60.2 when I telnet into my phone I get "All network ports used" or something very similar (can't check now, my phone is screaming at me). What does this indicate? |
| 08:29:49 | andersee | cbiffle: that all network ports are used? |
| 08:29:53 | andersee | ducks |
| 08:29:53 | fontenot | do I need to do something special to start inetd/telnetd on the tux ? |
| 08:30:14 | cbiffle | andersee: *grin* But they aren't. :-) |
| 08:30:15 | fontenot | AFAICT my phone is not listening on that port |
| 08:30:26 | cbiffle | andersee: I think my kernel may be really borked. I'm going to build a null modem cable and install a new one. |
| 08:31:07 | vosque | have there been any updates to buildroot in the last week or so? |
| 08:31:33 | cbiffle | Incidentally, is there a way to reinstall blob from Linux? Unless there are MMU-level restrictions about the Flash, I would think it would work. |
| 08:31:35 | fontenot | vosque: lots |
| 08:31:46 | vosque | ahh |
| 08:31:47 | cbiffle | vosque: Good thinking, we should probably build a newer one. |
| 08:31:51 | vosque | you guys added X. |
| 08:31:58 | cbiffle | To buildroot?!? |
| 08:32:16 | cbiffle | I hope it can be amputated easily. :-) |
| 08:32:23 | fontenot | WHOOO I am telnetted into my tux!! |
| 08:32:40 | cbiffle | WHOOO I am telnetted into my skull!! <-- how I originally read that, for some reason |
| 08:32:44 | BZFlag | fontenot: cat /proc/net/tcp |
| 08:33:23 | fontenot | BZFlag: cool, now if only i could xlate hex in my head |
| 08:33:32 | cbiffle | post it, I'm sure we could help. :-) |
| 08:33:46 | cbiffle | Or run kcalc or calc or whatever your environment's hex calc is. |
| 08:33:59 | BZFlag | cbiffle: cat blob > /dev/mtdblock0 ; sync |
| 08:34:15 | fontenot | telnet is cool |
| 08:34:31 | cbiffle | BZFlag: /me slaps forehead |
| 08:35:37 | fontenot | cbiffle: tinyx was added as a third GUI option - it's not built by default |
| 08:35:55 | cbiffle | fontenot: Groovy. I'd like to play with it, don't get me wrong, but I'm very much fond of Opie. |
| 08:36:49 | cbiffle | BZFlag: Say...could that same technique be used to update the kernel on flash? |
| 08:36:58 | cbiffle | BZFlag: or would that make the system incredibly unhappy? |
| 08:37:02 | fontenot | should work |
| 08:37:07 | fontenot | i have done it on my ipaq many times |
| 08:37:23 | BZFlag | cbiffle: kernel can be updated just fine that way too. mtdblock1 |
| 08:37:24 | andersee | cbiffle: be _very_ careful though when updating blob.... |
| 08:37:25 | cbiffle | fontenot: So the kernel is, what, imaged into RAM on boot? |
| 08:37:31 | fontenot | kernel in flash is compressed - it's not like the system is using that after it boots |
| 08:37:39 | cbiffle | andersee: Of course, particularly with my lack of JTAG dongle. :-) |
| 08:37:44 | BZFlag | cbiffle: and rootfilesystem as well but mount -o remount,ro it first. |
| 08:37:47 | cbiffle | fontenot: Ahh. Makes sense. |
| 08:38:12 | BZFlag | yeah, kernel is copied to ram by blob and boots there. |
| 08:38:18 | cbiffle | BZFlag: Groovy! I'm starting to think the issues I'm running into here are kernel-related, since the hardware-feeling bugs have changed nature. |
| 08:38:54 | cbiffle | is suddenly catching on, and puts away his soldering iron and DB9s. |
| 08:39:02 | vosque | -rw-r--r-- 1 vosque vosque 786432 Apr 26 01:36 tuxscreen-image.jffs2 |
| 08:39:02 | vosque | -rwxr-xr-x 1 vosque vosque 829228 Apr 20 21:16 tuxscreen-kernel |
| 08:39:19 | vosque | hmm |
| 08:39:19 | vosque | kernel hasn't been updated. |
| 08:39:19 | cbiffle | Apr 26? |
| 08:39:28 | cbiffle | Wow, it's the 26th! Groovy! |
| 08:39:34 | vosque | hahah |
| 08:39:54 | cbiffle | seems to have returned to his usual "Hey! We still orbit the sun!" level of optimism |
| 08:40:33 | cbiffle | So are we using compression on the root-filesystem jffs2 as well? |
| 08:40:49 | BZFlag | jffs2 includes compression, yes. |
| 08:40:54 | andersee | cbiffle: jffs2 does block level compression transparently |
| 08:41:03 | cbiffle | I only ask because it can be set up to not use it. :-) |
| 08:41:27 | cbiffle | (For run-in-place situations with limited RAM but free Flash.) |
| 08:41:53 | cbiffle | Is the MTD flash memory-mapped? |
| 08:42:23 | vosque | remembers msql not working on MTD devices for some reason dealing with memory-mapping. |
| 08:42:31 | vosque | Got msql working on my ipaq. |
| 08:42:35 | cbiffle | Or is it block-device? |
| 08:42:36 | vosque | Why, I don't know. |
| 08:42:38 | vosque | but I did. |
| 08:43:02 | BZFlag | cbiffle: the mtdblock is a block device. the flash chips underneath are memory mapped. |
| 08:43:05 | fontenot | vosque: me too :-) |
| 08:43:07 | cbiffle | "We drove ourselves to extinction turning our entire planet into a navigable spaceship." "But why?" "Because it's cooooool." |
| 08:43:27 | vosque | there are PHP bindings for SQL-lite. |
| 08:43:29 | vosque | I might use that now. |
| 08:43:30 | cbiffle | BZFlag: Of course. *slaps forehead* Otherwise booting blob out of it would be interesting. |
| 08:44:09 | cbiffle | BZFlag: So for people like me that don't really use the internal flash, one could conceivably save ~2M of RAM by using an uncompressed, run-in-place kernel in Flash with a filesystem on an external device? |
| 08:44:36 | cbiffle | (This is purely a thought experiment; I'm not sure 2M of RAM is worth having a device that becomes a brick without a CompactFlash card.) |
| 08:44:44 | BZFlag | cbiffle: perhaps, yes. but flash is 16 bit so it's slower |
| 08:44:44 | vosque | wow. |
| 08:44:58 | cbiffle | BZFlag: Ahh, this is good to know. |
| 08:45:06 | BZFlag | and no writes to flash would be possible if code was running there. |
| 08:45:16 | vosque | my laptop lost 329 seconds TODAY. |
| 08:45:20 | cbiffle | BZFlag: True. True. |
| 08:45:40 | cbiffle | vosque: What was that about "I don't trust the accuracy of NTP and thus don't use it" again? |
| 08:45:52 | BZFlag | so you would likely end up holding the pages in the buffer cache anyway. |
| 08:45:53 | vosque | ntp is fine. |
| 08:46:02 | cbiffle | I'll say. *eyes NTP pinup* |
| 08:46:03 | vosque | I don't trust what people generally sync it to. :) |
| 08:46:19 | cbiffle | Mmm, protocol engineering jokes. |
| 08:46:34 | fontenot | i wish there was ntpdate for busybox |
| 08:46:40 | vosque | most of my problems with protocols don't lie in the design.. it's the folx who use it. :) |
| 08:46:43 | andersee | cbiffle: and you would need to modify the kernel to make it execute in place out of flash... |
| 08:46:50 | cbiffle | andersee: I'd imagine so, yes. |
| 08:47:18 | vosque | I imagine ntpdate linked against uClibc would be pretty smally. |
| 08:47:20 | vosque | -y |
| 08:47:26 | andersee | fontenot: will rdate do? |
| 08:48:20 | cbiffle | vosque: Hey, can you toss me a kernel? Mine seems to have vanished off my workstation. (I don't know why I have the same draconian homedir-cleaning policies on my 40G drive that I did on my 40M one.) |
| 08:48:32 | fontenot | andersee: dunno, what's rdate ? |
| 08:48:44 | vosque | cbiffle: I'm building you a new one as we speak. |
| 08:49:09 | cbiffle | vosque: And that's why I keep you around. :-) |
| 08:49:31 | cbiffle | So, hey, what's the ETA for busybox IPSec support? |
| 08:49:32 | cbiffle | ducks |
| 08:49:35 | BZFlag | fontenot: rdate would be smaller and easier. |
| 08:50:28 | cbiffle | Incidentally, what ssh implementations are people using on their phones? I've had good luck with Familiar's, but it's glibc. |
| 08:50:44 | andersee | fontenot: its sets the date for the local machine based on the date of a networked machine. |
| 08:50:50 | vosque | removes ssh and install telnet now. |
| 08:50:54 | vosque | well, not anymore |
| 08:50:58 | andersee | fontenot: doesn't run as a daemon... |
| 08:51:01 | vosque | but I do that on the ipaq, too. |
| 08:51:12 | cbiffle | vosque: I don't need sshd, just ssh...none of my machines have telnetd. |
| 08:51:29 | vosque | wow. |
| 08:51:30 | cbiffle | vosque: (FreeBSD dropped it from the default install.) |
| 08:51:35 | vosque | rdate is 5k linked against glibc. |
| 08:51:38 | fontenot | andersee: would I need to enable rhost stuff on my other machine? |
| 08:51:47 | fontenot | i mean rsh |
| 08:51:51 | cbiffle | checks out rdate because it sounds just waaay too cool. |
| 08:52:00 | andersee | fontenot: nope |
| 08:52:08 | fontenot | how does it work then? |
| 08:52:28 | cbiffle | (rdate is /usr/ports/sysutils/rdate if there are any other FreeBSD users here that wish to play with it) |
| 08:52:29 | fontenot | surely i would have to enable some service |
| 08:52:29 | vosque | cbiffle: check my homedir on apt. |
| 08:52:30 | andersee | fontenot: needs inetd to have the time ports open |
| 08:52:39 | fontenot | ah |
| 08:52:57 | fontenot | i disable everything |
| 08:53:39 | fontenot | well maybe ntpdate is not what most ppl need but I personally want it |
| 08:53:41 | cbiffle | vosque: Got it. |
| 08:53:45 | fontenot | i will look into it |
| 08:53:57 | vosque | A really basic implementation for ntpdate might not be that large. |
| 08:54:04 | cbiffle | andersee: Am I reading this right? Does rdate require inetd? |
| 08:54:15 | fontenot | cbiffle: not on the client machine |
| 08:54:21 | vosque | though, probably not millisecond accurate like the dist ntpdate is, but I'm willing to live with that. |
| 08:54:38 | cbiffle | fontenot: Right, but on the server. I've somehow managed to escape running it on my main server here...:-) |
| 08:54:44 | mallum | hi |
| 08:54:46 | mallum | fontenot: still up ? |
| 08:54:53 | fontenot | cbiffle: I disable it |
| 08:55:03 | fontenot | I only enable ssh and that's not run from inetd |
| 08:55:16 | fontenot | mallum: yes, for a few more hours too |
| 08:55:39 | mallum | fontenot: cool, good mornin then ;) |
| 08:55:46 | fontenot | mallum: morning :-) |
| 08:55:56 | andersee | cbiffle: not necessarily.... |
| 08:56:07 | andersee | cbiffle: You could use netcat I suppose |
| 08:56:16 | cbiffle | andersee: I'll see what I can do. Not really an issue. :-) |
| 08:57:01 | vosque | then again, so any known ntp servers enable rdate? |
| 08:57:26 | andersee | cbiffle: /usr/bin/nc -l -p 37 -e /bin/date |
| 08:58:05 | andersee | vosque: most nameservers make that port available... |
| 08:58:07 | cbiffle | /usr/local/bin, and not installed by default, but I found it in ports. :-) I'll work on that later; I think I'm managing to nurse this beast back to health. |
| 08:58:15 | mallum | fontenot: when tomW tried the dock apps they all crashed :( |
| 08:58:47 | andersee | BZFlag: btw, we could eliminate inetd and use busybox netcat if we wanted to... ;-) |
| 08:59:06 | andersee | BZFlag: I just added support for the -e flag this evening |
| 08:59:13 | vosque | ooo |
| 08:59:15 | BZFlag | same audit concerns though, yes? |
| 09:01:37 | fontenot | mallum: I read that - do you know why they crashed ? |
| 09:01:40 | vosque | in what sense? no logging of connections? |
| 09:01:54 | cbiffle | Hey, pop quiz: Where do I look for problems when cardmgr reports 'Card Services release does not match'? |
| 09:02:14 | vosque | oops. |
| 09:02:18 | cbiffle | A mismatch between the binary and kernel? |
| 09:02:23 | BZFlag | vosque: that for me? audit refers to reviewing for buffer overflows etc. ie security. |
| 09:02:27 | cbiffle | vosque: This was happening before I installed your latest kernel. |
| 09:02:28 | vosque | okay |
| 09:02:28 | fontenot | cbiffle: yeah but dont worry about it |
| 09:02:32 | mallum | fontenot: no, I thought maybe it was the xpm problem again ... but minisys dont use any ... |
| 09:02:47 | cbiffle | fontenot: The main reason I'm curious is that PC Card support on my phone has been off-and-on; not recognizing things after boot, etc. |
| 09:02:49 | vosque | BZFlag: okay, that kind of audit.. sorry. |
| 09:03:02 | cbiffle | vosque: You're an OpenBSD guy, you should recognize these things! :-) |
| 09:03:11 | fontenot | mallum: hmm I should try minisys then - should I chackout latest cvs first ? |
| 09:03:27 | mallum | fontenot: yes I commited a little last night |
| 09:03:33 | cbiffle | vosque: Did you build a full userland as well just now? |
| 09:03:44 | vosque | make clean && make |
| 09:03:50 | vosque | after a cvs update |
| 09:03:52 | andersee | BZFlag: yup. dangerous stuff.... |
| 09:03:55 | vosque | so some of it should be new. |
| 09:03:59 | cbiffle | vosque: Can you pass me the jffs2 image for the ramdisk as well? |
| 09:04:02 | cbiffle | Or did you already? |
| 09:04:07 | vosque | did |
| 09:04:10 | vosque | look in your homedir |
| 09:04:22 | vosque | or rather, mine on your machine. |
| 09:04:33 | cbiffle | Groovy, see it, thanks. :-) I'm just not paying sufficient attention. |
| 09:14:53 | cbiffle | So the root filesystem image we just built out of buildroot-tux causes the machine to crap out after loading the kernel, saying that all the directories (from /bin to /usr) are hardlinks. Thoughts? |
| 09:15:48 | andersee | cbiffle: use less hardlinks |
| 09:16:03 | cbiffle | That's what I was thinking. |
| 09:16:07 | fontenot | mallum: how should I start minisys ? |
| 09:16:16 | cbiffle | Problem is, I didn't create the Makefile. :-) |
| 09:16:46 | mallum | fontenot: minisys -t & |
| 09:17:03 | fontenot | ok it gave an error but it's running |
| 09:17:09 | fontenot | what's it supposed to do ? |
| 09:17:18 | mallum | fontenot: do you use andersee's toolchain ? |
| 09:17:19 | fontenot | it's scrolling along bottom |
| 09:17:27 | cbiffle | minisys? (yes, I googled for it) |
| 09:17:33 | mallum | fontenot: yeah thats mem and cpu |
| 09:17:41 | fontenot | mallum: cpu is not changing |
| 09:17:45 | mallum | fontenot: blue is memory, green is cpu |
| 09:17:52 | mallum | fontenot: kick it a bit |
| 09:18:26 | fontenot | mallum: I had, cpu does not budge |
| 09:18:34 | cbiffle | Can one protect sectors of flash from within blob? |
| 09:18:52 | fontenot | mallum: oops i lied |
| 09:19:05 | fontenot | mallum: i did 'yes' and it went up one pixel |
| 09:20:49 | fontenot | mallum: what else should I try ? |
| 09:20:55 | fontenot | at least minisys is not crashing |
| 09:21:40 | fontenot | andersee: I forgot to background my last app - why when I hit ctrl-C are all my apps and x server going to die ? |
| 09:22:06 | fontenot | everything i started in that shell dies |
| 09:23:40 | Harlekin | some german here? |
| 09:23:43 | Harlekin | BZFlag: ping |
| 09:24:07 | andersee | fontenot: what version of uClibc and busybox? |
| 09:24:17 | cbiffle | I'm now reasonably confident that the weirdnesses of the phone are in software. Now, when I have it on battery, phone functions mostly work. Now, to see if pagers these days recognize pulse dialing! :-) |
| 09:25:42 | fontenot | andersee: -rw-r--r-- 1 fontenot fontenot 1106111 Apr 21 23:10 uClibc-snapshot.tar.bz2 |
| 09:26:02 | fontenot | andersee: and I assume busybox 60.2 since I did not modify anything in buildroot re busybox |
| 09:26:19 | mallum | fontenot: try minitime, that could have the xpm problem |
| 09:26:24 | fontenot | -rw-r--r-- 1 fontenot fontenot 813499 Nov 20 04:02 busybox-0.60.2.tar.gz |
| 09:26:36 | mallum | fontenot: also try running minisys with no switches it'll dock then |
| 09:26:36 | andersee | fontenot: dunno. Pretty odd. |
| 09:26:47 | fontenot | andersee: that has happened to me for many months now |
| 09:27:10 | fontenot | andersee: same with ping - if I start a bunch of apps with & then start a ping and ctrl-c it, all die |
| 09:27:12 | andersee | fontenot: I fixed that problem in uClibc months ago... |
| 09:27:21 | fontenot | maybe it reverted |
| 09:27:38 | andersee | fontenot: Doubt it... |
| 09:28:01 | fontenot | so i am only one with this problem? this has persisted through countless buildroots |
| 09:28:13 | cbiffle | fontenot: Describe problem. |
| 09:28:56 | fontenot | cbiffle: start an app and background it with & |
| 09:29:08 | fontenot | cbiffle: then start a ping process, and ctrl-c the ping |
| 09:29:09 | andersee | fontenot: Do you have stale sources lying about? Did you blow away your busybox and uClibc and staging dir? |
| 09:29:10 | cbiffle | Are all apps busybox apps, or is it a mix? |
| 09:29:23 | fontenot | andersee: i blow away everything but sources/dl every time |
| 09:29:32 | fontenot | maybe this has something to do with X |
| 09:29:41 | fontenot | so maybe i am the only one having the problem |
| 09:29:50 | andersee | I last rebuilt and flashed my phone about a month ago and ^C works fine for me. |
| 09:29:50 | fontenot | could be related to the x "blue screen" problem |
| 09:30:14 | andersee | fontenot: rm -f sources/dl/busybox* sources/dl/uClibc* |
| 09:30:25 | fontenot | mallum: ok minisys docked fine - it's cute (but still not sure cpu is working right) |
| 09:30:47 | andersee | fontenot: perhaps you preserved ancient versions? |
| 09:30:51 | | wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! |
| 09:30:51 | BZFlag | Harlekin: pong? |
| 09:31:11 | fontenot | mallum: here are the errors from minitime: |
| 09:31:14 | fontenot | # ./minitime |
| 09:31:14 | fontenot | X Error: BadDrawable |
| 09:31:14 | fontenot | Request Major code 62 () |
| 09:31:14 | fontenot | ResourceID 0x0 |
| 09:31:14 | fontenot | Error Serial #15 |
| 09:31:15 | fontenot | Current Serial #19 |
| 09:31:17 | fontenot | # X-error: X error (0): BadWindow (opcode: 4) |
| 09:31:23 | mallum | fontenot: ewe |
| 09:31:30 | fontenot | mallum: I bet major code 62 is some color allocation |
| 09:31:35 | mallum | fontenot: yeah |
| 09:31:41 | fontenot | damn 8bpp |
| 09:31:44 | mallum | fontenot: it will be, I'll fix that |
| 09:31:50 | fontenot | i thought i had moved past this 10 years ago |
| 09:31:53 | mallum | fontenot: damn dumb xpm |
| 09:32:00 | fontenot | heh |
| 09:32:20 | fontenot | andersee: I will wait til tomw returns and have him test to see if it's an x thing |
| 09:32:37 | fontenot | andersee: I am dimly remembering trying to reproduce the problem without x running and failing |
| 09:33:16 | mallum | fontenot: are you using andersee's toolchain, I need to get a arm x-compiler running on powerpc |
| 09:33:20 | fontenot | andersee: yea I just tried it on the other tux without X running and it did not happen |
| 09:34:07 | fontenot | mallum: I have built andersee's c++ toolchain and it works great, these days I am using the uclibc gcc wrapper in buildroot since that's what we've been doing - making things build under buildroot |
| 09:34:43 | fontenot | andersee: here's a test :-D I am going to build a different shell (like tcsh) and see if it happens |
| 09:34:50 | fontenot | taking bets |
| 09:35:11 | mallum | fontenot: what gcc is it wrapping ? |
| 09:35:13 | fontenot | hmm tcsh not on working apps list |
| 09:35:36 | fontenot | mallum: buildroot wrapper is wrapping my toolchain that I built |
| 09:35:44 | fontenot | 2.95.4 based |
| 09:36:59 | fontenot | mallum: problem with andersee's toolchain is it's gcc3 based - and wont built buildroot kernel |
| 09:38:39 | mallum | fontenot: k |
| 09:38:40 | andersee | fontenot: indeed. And the problem with gcc 2.95.x is that libio is pretty much hardwired for glibc only.... |
| 09:39:27 | andersee | fontenot: I have it on good faith the gcc 3.1 _does_ properly build the kernel on arm though.... |
| 09:39:30 | fontenot | I personally dont mind having 2 toolchains around |
| 09:39:38 | andersee | fontenot: Guess I should update things sometime |
| 09:39:58 | fontenot | andersee: I saw those posts on the arm-k list - seems far from working for all kernel options... |
| 09:40:15 | mallum | fontenot: I have my ARM machine for building too, but sometimes thats a little slow for things like X |
| 09:40:41 | fontenot | andersee: dunno how high priority that is for you (updating toolchain) current one has worked great for me so far |
| 09:41:04 | fontenot | mallum: yeah too bad you dont have a fast x86 - x builds in like 8 minutes or less |
| 09:41:25 | mallum | fontenot: my fastest machine is a duron 700 clocked to 850 |
| 09:41:32 | mallum | fontenot: laptop is powerpc 550 |
| 09:42:08 | mallum | fontenot: oh I have a dual pIII 500 too, but I havn't played with that much ( meant to be getting it hosted somewhere ) |
| 09:43:09 | fontenot | my TB900 builts X in about 8 minutes |
| 09:43:37 | fontenot | i bet andersee's dual (1200?) would do it in like 3 minutes if using both procs |
| 09:43:59 | cbiffle | Mmm, yes. -j5. |
| 09:44:03 | mallum | yeah I wanna get one of them tyan tiger dual boards |
| 09:44:18 | fontenot | mallum: get the asus |
| 09:44:20 | andersee | fontenot: I have a single Athlon 1400... No duals here I'm afraid. |
| 09:44:28 | fontenot | hmm then who was it with the dual? |
| 09:44:33 | mallum | fontenot: is the asus cheaper ? |
| 09:44:38 | cbiffle | mallum: What's your ARM build machine? |
| 09:45:07 | fontenot | mallum: much cheaper than the tyan server board and no special P/S needed, much much better than the "cheap" tyan board |
| 09:45:17 | cbiffle | I've pretty much decided that the best way for me to compile things on the tuxscreen may very well be to compile things -on- the tuxscreen, since it's Linux already. :-) |
| 09:45:34 | mallum | cbiffle: its a simtec board with an sa1110 200 mhz, 256mb of ram etc ... |
| 09:45:44 | fontenot | cbiffle: I had ggone that route on my ipaq - but you need more RAM - ipaq has 32MB which is a minimum |
| 09:45:46 | cbiffle | mallum: Oooooh. Nice. |
| 09:46:03 | cbiffle | fontenot: I'm trying to find a good source of SODIMMs as we speak; TomW pointed me at some 32Ms that are known to work. |
| 09:46:22 | fontenot | cbyeah they are just a little pricey |
| 09:46:23 | mallum | cbiffle: a CATS board rather, cost about 300 quid for the mothyerboard and processor, the rest of the macine were just bits I had lying around |
| 09:46:43 | fontenot | like $1/meg |
| 09:46:47 | mallum | cbiffle: I've never go X up on it, but I use it headless with debian unstable |
| 09:46:56 | mallum | fontenot: you have a link for the asus ? |
| 09:47:02 | cbiffle | mallum: Not too bad. We had similar machines at a firewall company I worked for, evaluation boards in preparation for using a StrongARM platform. Never happened. |
| 09:47:45 | fontenot | mallum: http://usa.asus.com/mb/socketa/a7m266-d/overview.htm |
| 09:47:59 | andersee | fontenot: my Netwinder has 20 GB hard drive and 256 MB ram. Makes a very nice arm build machine (and a nice server as well) |
| 09:48:25 | mallum | cbiffle: only problem is with it is it seems to crash when I do a lot of IO with it |
| 09:48:38 | cbiffle | andersee: I wish I'd nabbed one of the Netwinders when they were selling them for nearly nothing on campus. The were really pushing them and the NC at college students. |
| 09:48:41 | mallum | cbiffle: seems to be disk IO combined with network IO |
| 09:49:06 | cbiffle | mallum: Interesting. I've known PC chipsets with similar issues. |
| 09:49:36 | andersee | cbiffle: my netwinder is absolutely rock solid stable... I run codepoet.org, busybox.net, uclibc.org, etc from it. |
| 09:49:51 | vosque | mmm |
| 09:49:52 | vosque | netwinder |
| 09:49:55 | mallum | cbiffle: I've never really played with it, it was a pain to get booting . Once I had it booting I just put a recent kernel on there and debian . I've just used it for compliling since |
| 09:49:56 | vosque | always wanted one of those. |
| 09:49:57 | cbiffle | andersee: Groovy. |
| 09:49:59 | vosque | couldn't afford it. |
| 09:50:14 | mallum | cbiffle: I was gonna get a netwinder but they are really expensive in the UK |
| 09:50:23 | vosque | okee |
| 09:50:26 | vosque | time to move inside |
| 09:50:34 | fontenot | andersee: i wanted a winder so bad but i refuse to pay $600-700 for them |
| 09:50:34 | mallum | cbiffle: I dont thing a netwinder will take 256Mb either ...? |
| 09:50:38 | cbiffle | vosque: You're outside? |
| 09:50:50 | cbiffle | mallum: andersee's has. |
| 09:51:03 | vosque | cbiffle: Yeah.. it's a nice night. |
| 09:51:10 | vosque | thought I'd sit on the porch. |
| 09:51:28 | cbiffle | vosque: I'm simulating, sitting inside with a fan on the porch blowing in. :_) |
| 09:51:41 | cbiffle | has those electrons that are stuck in little tubes. |
| 09:52:44 | vosque | heh |
| 09:52:44 | vosque | well |
| 09:52:46 | vosque | most of mine are too. |
| 09:53:20 | cbiffle | So -- anyone in the room have much experience with the ucb1200 touchscreen interface? |
| 09:53:40 | andersee | cbiffle: I had to hack a SODIMM to make the netwinder take that much ram |
| 09:53:41 | cbiffle | (And more importantly, why does the touchscreen appear to be connected to the modem? :-) |
| 09:54:24 | cbiffle | andersee: sounds familiar...*eyes his tuxscreen* |
| 09:55:12 | cbiffle | The reason I ask is that my touchscreen still doesn't work in Linux, though it works in Inferno, so clearly I'm going to have to go hack the driver code. I'm hoping to find someone who could give me pointers. :-) |
| 09:55:42 | mallum | cbiffle: the ts interface has changed |
| 09:56:19 | fontenot | hides. |
| 09:56:22 | cbiffle | mallum: Changed compared to when, and what sort of changes? |
| 09:57:04 | fontenot | cbiffle: you have buildroot ? |
| 09:57:10 | cbiffle | fontenot: I do. |
| 09:57:11 | mallum | cbiffle: the ts populates /dev/ts with a struct |
| 09:57:18 | mallum | cbiffle: the format of that struct has changed |
| 09:57:35 | cbiffle | mallum: The device is still /dev/ucb1x00-ts? |
| 09:57:55 | fontenot | cbiffle: then enable tinyx :-) ts works in that |
| 09:58:03 | cbiffle | fontenot: No it doesn't. :-) |
| 09:58:14 | cbiffle | fontenot: Well, I take it back. |
| 09:58:39 | cbiffle | fontenot: People first said "Use microwindows," and the ts didn't work there, then "Use picogui", no ts there. But it works in Inferno; I haven't tested in tinyX, now that I think about it. |
| 09:58:45 | fontenot | cbiffle: it does for me and several others |
| 09:59:07 | cbiffle | fontenot: I'm not commenting on TinyX itself, it's this phone in particular. |
| 09:59:23 | fontenot | cbiffle: but if you build tinyx, mod the top level makefile to use the uclibc snapshot too |
| 09:59:25 | cbiffle | fontenot: When you cat /dev/ucb1x00-ts, do you see anything? |
| 09:59:47 | cbiffle | fontenot: Unfortunately, I can't actually -build- buildroot, I can only play in the source. :-) |
| 09:59:59 | fontenot | cbiffle: no i see nothing when i cat |
| 10:00:08 | cbiffle | fontenot: Okay, because vosque's units print line noise. |
| 10:00:21 | cbiffle | fontenot: I'll have to try tinyX next time I have a Linux box handy. |
| 10:00:22 | mallum | cbiffle: I think rmk was not happy that ts interfaces were doing filtering in kernel space, so moved it out into a lib he wrote called tslib |
| 10:00:31 | cbiffle | mallum: Okay. |
| 10:00:39 | cbiffle | mallum: I think that's logical. |
| 10:02:39 | cbiffle | Hm. I'll try TinyX tomorrow, after I buy a null-modem cable. A borked userland has rendered the unit useless, and I misplaced my old cable! Go figure. :-) |
| 10:03:03 | mallum | cbiffle: yes, fontenot has been playing with tslib and tinyX but found it too slow :( |
| 10:03:14 | mallum | cbiffle: its all in a state of flux basically |
| 10:03:18 | cbiffle | mallum: Fun. :-) |
| 10:03:30 | cbiffle | mallum: Not to troll, but that's been my impression of Linux in general so far. :-) |
| 10:04:02 | mallum | cbiffle: :)) |
| 10:04:10 | vosque | really only like that if you're on the cutting-edge |
| 10:04:21 | mallum | indeed |
| 10:04:24 | cbiffle | vosque: True. If you don't upgrade, nothing changes! :-) |
| 10:04:35 | cbiffle | ducks |
| 10:04:37 | mallum | cbiffle: if you run debian poatoe things are pretty stable ( and boring ) |
| 10:04:44 | vosque | heck |
| 10:04:51 | vosque | I run woody and things are rock solid |
| 10:04:55 | cbiffle | *nod* I had potato up for a few minutse on the phone. Then I regained my sanity. :-) |
| 10:05:12 | mallum | vosque: I run unstable and never had a ( serous ) problem |
| 10:05:32 | cbiffle | I think my symptoms here are a result of something corrupting the Flash. I just hope it missed blob. |
| 10:05:50 | cbiffle | By the end there it was starting to segfault when running things like 'cd'. |
| 10:07:19 | cbiffle | And now, torn between soldering myself a null-modem cable or going to bed, I think I'm choosing bed. :-) |
| 10:14:26 | mallum | thats not very rock & roll.... |
| 10:17:06 | fontenot | mallum: so... ?? where's the new matchbox stuff ?? :-D |
| 10:17:40 | mallum | fontenot: ok ok, Im having to do some crap paid work ... thought Id get it done quicker .... |
| 10:17:56 | mallum | fontenot: I'll quickly fix minitime ... |
| 10:19:06 | fontenot | mallum: no paid work comes first |
| 10:19:16 | fontenot | mallum: I have other things I can do right now anyway |
| 10:20:44 | mallum | fontenot: I have this job on from home .... web stuff ... nearly finished now |
| 10:21:01 | mallum | fontenot: would have been quite lucrative if it hadn't dragged on so long :( |
| 10:21:10 | mallum | fontenot: I gotta sort out another gig then |
| 10:23:01 | mallum | fontenot: I just commited a minitime fix :) |
| 10:23:25 | fontenot | whoo! |
| 10:24:09 | mallum | fontenot: whats job situation like in sv at the moment ? still grim ? |
| 10:24:39 | fontenot | mallum: i think so :-\ |
| 10:24:45 | fontenot | picking up slowly |
| 10:24:59 | fontenot | but they are thinking at least 6 months before we see much |
| 10:25:08 | mallum | fontenot: Id like to move out there one day ... |
| 10:25:18 | mallum | fontenot: even just for a little bit |
| 10:25:41 | mallum | fontenot: and get a big f**koff muscle car |
| 10:26:05 | mallum | fontenot: mustang shelby cobra or something ... |
| 10:27:27 | fontenot | lol |
| 10:27:41 | fontenot | um those dont exactly grow on trees you know |
| 10:28:30 | fontenot | you could get a corvette z06 |
| 10:30:38 | mallum | no I want a big mustang |
| 10:30:42 | mallum | or a dodge charger |
| 10:30:58 | mallum | but not like a dukes of hazard one |
| 10:31:08 | mallum | one of th eracing ones with roll cage and stuff |
| 10:31:16 | mallum | that do 1/4 mile in 10 seconds |
| 10:31:45 | fontenot | you want a 10 second street car?? |
| 10:31:56 | mallum | yeah :)) |
| 10:32:08 | fontenot | heh |
| 10:32:11 | mallum | no good in london cos too many corners |
| 10:32:34 | mallum | you can get mustangs imported from nevada quite cheaply |
| 10:32:53 | fontenot | even a dodge viper is a 12.5 second car |
| 10:32:53 | mallum | but I'll need one thats been modified with power steering and disk brakes |
| 10:34:22 | mallum | when I visited sv, everyone I was working with couldn't understand why I kept going mad over the old cars |
| 10:34:44 | mallum | they said fuel would cost a fortune |
| 10:35:04 | mallum | but gas is so much cheaper in the US anyway it wont make any difference |
| 10:35:45 | fontenot | a 10 sec car like that would get like 5mpg |
| 10:36:09 | fontenot | and $2/gallon (well premium is $1.85 right now) |
| 10:36:45 | fontenot | buy i hear cars like that racing all the time at night |
| 10:37:24 | mallum | were you born and grew up in sv ? |
| 10:38:15 | fontenot | nope only been here about 15 months |
| 10:38:49 | mallum | you like it ? |
| 10:39:27 | fontenot | much better than houston tx |
| 10:39:36 | fontenot | but it's much more expensive too |
| 10:39:40 | mallum | I've never been to texas |
| 10:39:43 | mallum | would like to go |
| 10:41:50 | fontenot | you should |
| 10:41:52 | fontenot | i love texas |
| 10:41:59 | fontenot | that's where i was born |
| 10:44:36 | fontenot | well that was a big waste of time |
| 10:44:40 | fontenot | god damn reiserfs |
| 10:44:48 | mallum | sheiserfs |
| 10:45:29 | mallum | fontenot: go on #debianppc and say 'Im running rieserfs' and see what happens |
| 10:45:32 | mallum | ;) |
| 10:45:42 | mallum | they are crazed in that # |
| 10:45:55 | fontenot | i just wasted a lot of time |
| 10:47:06 | fontenot | new reiserfs supposedly supports smaller journsl sizes |
| 10:47:10 | fontenot | but it does not work |
| 10:47:58 | mallum | have you tried xfs ? |
| 10:48:37 | fontenot | on the tux?? |
| 10:49:38 | mallum | reiserfs is on the tux ? |
| 10:49:42 | fontenot | yes |
| 10:49:51 | mallum | on flash card ? |
| 10:50:46 | fontenot | yes |
| 10:51:00 | fontenot | 32MB gone for the stupid nonresizable journal |
| 10:52:15 | fontenot | imagine that on a 64MB or smaller CF card |
| 10:52:20 | mallum | ouch |
| 10:54:45 | Morn | morning |
| 10:55:29 | mallum | good morning :) |
| 10:55:40 | mallum | fontenot: did you try new minitime ? |
| 10:57:03 | fontenot | ARG |
| 10:57:15 | fontenot | my tux has stopped talkint to serial port |
| 10:57:28 | fontenot | i rebooted it and still nothing |
| 10:58:22 | mallum | kick it - HARD |
| 10:58:31 | fontenot | dammit it looks like it's the serial port on the server machine |
| 10:58:42 | fontenot | i switched the cable and now it works |
| 10:59:42 | fontenot | i bet it's the new kernel I just booted to try to make reiserfs work |
| 10:59:46 | fontenot | SHIT |
| 11:00:51 | fontenot | W T F ??? |
| 11:00:54 | fontenot | ttyS01 at 0x03f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A |
| 11:00:54 | fontenot | ttyS02 at 0x02f8 (irq = 3) is a 16550A |
| 11:01:10 | fontenot | happend to ttyS0 ? |
| 11:02:47 | fontenot | that was it |
| 11:02:59 | fontenot | i changed serial port to ttyS2 in minicom config |
| 11:03:01 | fontenot | and that worked |
| 11:03:06 | fontenot | W T F ARE THEY DOING? |
| 11:03:49 | fontenot | mallum: NOW I will try the new minitime |
| 11:04:51 | mallum | fontenot: :) |
| 11:05:17 | fontenot | hmm minisys is working corectly re cpu now |
| 11:05:25 | fontenot | maybe i had a runaway process before |
| 11:05:30 | fontenot | no way to tell without top |
| 11:06:53 | mallum | minisys just parses /proc/stat |
| 11:07:02 | fontenot | any options to minitime ? |
| 11:07:07 | fontenot | that i should use? |
| 11:07:22 | mallum | minitme -r & |
| 11:07:33 | mallum | minitime -h will give you all options |
| 11:09:15 | fontenot | mini-me ? |
| 11:09:19 | fontenot | http://intimate.handhelds.org/jacques/matchbox8.png |
| 11:10:24 | mallum | nice |
| 11:10:28 | mallum | mem usage is low too |
| 11:10:57 | mallum | fontenot: you should install the themes too |
| 11:11:05 | mallum | fontenot: others may look better on 8bit |
| 11:11:15 | mallum | fontenot: mbcontrol changes themes on the fly |
| 11:11:18 | fontenot | you need an option for american date format |
| 11:11:47 | mallum | yeah, good point |
| 11:12:09 | mallum | its wierd how the gradient on the titlebars is not comeing through at all |
| 11:13:38 | fontenot | i assume if i install other themes there are lots of files imvolved ? |
| 11:14:32 | fontenot | maybe 40000 is too much... but that faq said it was ideal |
| 11:15:02 | mallum | fontenot: yeah a few files |
| 11:15:16 | mallum | fontenot: the gradients on the backgrounds arn't xpms though |
| 11:15:54 | mallum | fontenot: maybe tinyx has a really crap default colormap at 8bit ? |
| 11:16:28 | fontenot | mallum: maybe default CM is only white black and gray? |
| 11:16:30 | fontenot | dont laugh |
| 11:16:44 | mallum | I gotta take a shower, get some food and stuff .... brb |
| 11:17:29 | fontenot | ok |
| 11:20:59 | fontenot | maybe when matchbox tries to get colors for itself (not using xpm) it does not check error codes and something goes wrong if it does not get the exactl color it requests |
| 11:23:48 | mallum | could be |
| 11:24:00 | fontenot | mallum: do I use the themes pack from 0.1.8 ? |
| 11:24:07 | fontenot | or is there a newer one |
| 11:24:12 | mallum | but all its does is say, give me the closest match to what I request |
| 11:24:18 | mallum | yeah get the one for 0.1.8 |
| 11:24:23 | mallum | nothing had chnaged |
| 11:24:47 | fontenot | ok |
| 11:25:07 | | matchbox is a X11 window manager for handheld devices. Info, screenshots & downloadable at http://handhelds.org/~mallum/matchbox . Ipkg is in the familiar unstable feed. Development versions and other goodies at http://handhelds.org/~mallum/downloadables/ |
| 11:25:07 | fontenot | ibot: matchbox |
| 11:26:26 | fontenot | mb-themes-0.1.0.tar.gz only seems to include one theme ? |
| 11:27:09 | fontenot | yawn ? |
| 11:27:15 | mallum | fontenot: hmmm, one sec I'll upload a recent one |
| 11:28:06 | fontenot | ok |
| 11:28:20 | mallum | ok its there 0.1.4 |
| 11:28:24 | mallum | sorry 'bout that |
| 11:31:15 | fontenot | np |
| 11:32:20 | fontenot | config.status: error: cannot find input file: packaging/Makefile.in |
| 11:32:46 | fontenot | do i even care? |
| 11:34:02 | fontenot | sending themes to tux now |
| 11:37:11 | fontenot | mbcontrol is not wanting to work |
| 11:40:36 | fontenot | # ./mbcontrol -t /usr/local/share/matchbox/themes/blue/blue_theme_rc |
| 11:40:36 | fontenot | setting prop to /usr/local/share/matchbox/themes/blue/blue_theme_rc |
| 11:40:37 | fontenot | X-error: couldn't exec, is matchbox in your $PATH ? |
| 11:40:42 | fontenot | but it *is* in my path |
| 11:40:50 | fontenot | # which matchbox |
| 11:40:51 | fontenot | /usr/X11R6/bin/matchbox |
| 11:43:47 | fontenot | aah mbcontrol is working now - matchbox was not in my path when I started it - I added it afterwards |
| 11:48:17 | fontenot | mallum: OK http://intimate.handhelds.org/jacques/matchbox10.png 11 12 and 13 |
| 11:48:41 | fontenot | the bar color on flat is noe even discernible on the actual tux |
| 11:48:51 | fontenot | the only one with discernible bar color is yawn |
| 11:50:03 | fontenot | the buttons on blue are the easiest to use since they are the biggest |
| 11:51:31 | fontenot | mallum: how do I use dockapps with matchbox - can I? |
| 11:55:20 | fontenot | mallum: what's the "configurable collapse-able dock" ? |
| 11:55:26 | fontenot | how do I get apps into it? |
| 12:03:58 | fontenot | mallum: guess how I got this: http://intimate.handhelds.org/jacques/matchbox14.png |
| 12:09:20 | LoneTech | that's a tall window. |
| 12:09:55 | fontenot | LoneTech: yep :-D |
| 12:11:52 | LoneTech | 11 and 12 have very low contrast for the title. |
| 12:13:03 | fontenot | yes they do not work well on the tux |
| 12:13:21 | fontenot | they are in order - blue flat rage yawn |
| 12:14:13 | LoneTech | #12 seems to use white text on white background. |
| 12:14:44 | LoneTech | 13 would be a real killer on interlaced displays |
| 12:14:55 | fontenot | it's just not getting the colors it wants |
| 12:15:08 | fontenot | lol true |
| 12:15:25 | fontenot | looks pretty good on tux tho |
| 12:15:31 | LoneTech | k |
| 12:19:39 | Morn | is back (gone 08:11:46) |
| 13:05:38 | | que tal, mallum |
| 13:05:38 | mallum | fontenot: hi |
| 13:05:52 | mallum | fontenot: sorry dissapeared for a bit ... |
| 13:08:45 | Morn | grumbles. |
| 13:09:29 | scanline | is away: breakfast or something |
| 13:27:20 | Morn | morning |
| 13:38:02 | scanline | is back (gone 00:28:32) |
| 13:44:21 | Morn | hi Jeffrey |
| 14:08:19 | fontenot | hi again mallum |
| 14:08:21 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: welcome in.. :) |
| 14:08:27 | fontenot | i gotta sleep soon :-( |
| 14:08:28 | mallum | fontenot: hi again |
| 14:08:37 | mallum | fontenot: ok I am handling collor alloc badly |
| 14:08:42 | fontenot | mallum: did you see the screen shots? |
| 14:08:53 | mallum | fontenot: yeah |
| 14:09:02 | fontenot | cool |
| 14:09:05 | mallum | fontenot: I need to understand X colors better |
| 14:09:19 | fontenot | dont we all |
| 14:09:31 | CosmicPenguin | lol |
| 14:09:42 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: morning cp |
| 14:09:43 | fontenot | i used to understand them pretty well 10 years ago |
| 14:10:09 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: hows the toe? |
| 14:10:17 | mallum | yeah I get the feeling I used to understand colormaps and stuff when I played on my st |
| 14:10:26 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: much better thank you, i actually got some sleep last night |
| 14:11:02 | mallum | fontenot: can you msg me an xdpinfo from tuxscreen |
| 14:11:17 | mallum | fontenot: when I run xvnc in 8 bit it works ... |
| 14:11:34 | mallum | fontenot: so it sometyhing to do with visuals and all that crap |
| 14:12:21 | fontenot | dimensions: 480x640 pixels (163x217 millimeters) |
| 14:12:21 | fontenot | resolution: 75x75 dots per inch |
| 14:12:21 | fontenot | depths (6): 1, 4, 8, 16, 24, 32 |
| 14:12:21 | fontenot | root window id: 0x3f |
| 14:12:21 | fontenot | depth of root window: 8 planes |
| 14:12:23 | fontenot | number of colormaps: minimum 1, maximum 1 |
| 14:12:27 | fontenot | default colormap: 0x20 |
| 14:12:29 | fontenot | default number of colormap cells: 256 |
| 14:12:31 | fontenot | preallocated pixels: black 1, white 0 |
| 14:12:33 | fontenot | options: backing-store NO, save-unders NO |
| 14:12:35 | fontenot | largest cursor: 480x640 |
| 14:12:37 | fontenot | current input event mask: 0x1a0000 |
| 14:12:39 | fontenot | StructureNotifyMask SubstructureNotifyMask SubstructureRedirectMask |
| 14:12:42 | fontenot | number of visuals: 6 |
| 14:12:43 | fontenot | default visual id: 0x21 |
| 14:12:45 | fontenot | visual: |
| 14:12:47 | fontenot | visual id: 0x21 |
| 14:12:49 | fontenot | class: PseudoColor |
| 14:12:51 | fontenot | depth: 8 planes |
| 14:12:53 | fontenot | available colormap entries: 256 |
| 14:12:57 | fontenot | red, green, blue masks: 0x0, 0x0, 0x0 |
| 14:12:59 | fontenot | significant bits in color specification: 8 bits |
| 14:13:01 | fontenot | that's the important part |
| 14:13:03 | fontenot | default visual |
| 14:13:05 | fontenot | o crap |
| 14:13:07 | fontenot | the reason it says 480x640 is because I have the screen rotated still |
| 14:13:15 | mallum | heh :) |
| 14:13:23 | scanline | is away: homework |
| 14:14:11 | mallum | fontenot: vnc has a truecolor class thats the difference right ? |
| 14:20:29 | fontenot | mallum: yeah I bet it is |
| 14:20:41 | fontenot | mallum: i was talking to someone about this a while back |
| 14:21:14 | fontenot | the tinyx server advertizes all sorts of visuals, but I dont think the ones other than default are correct |
| 14:21:22 | mallum | fontenot: so I think I have to check for a psudeo color class and allocate some colors |
| 14:21:28 | mallum | ack |
| 14:21:39 | fontenot | visual id: 0x22 |
| 14:21:39 | fontenot | class: DirectColor |
| 14:21:39 | fontenot | depth: 8 planes |
| 14:21:39 | fontenot | available colormap entries: 8 per subfield |
| 14:21:39 | fontenot | red, green, blue masks: 0x7, 0x38, 0xc0 |
| 14:21:41 | fontenot | significant bits in color specification: 8 bits |
| 14:21:43 | fontenot | visual: |
| 14:21:45 | fontenot | visual id: 0x23 |
| 14:21:47 | fontenot | class: GrayScale |
| 14:21:49 | fontenot | depth: 8 planes |
| 14:21:51 | fontenot | available colormap entries: 256 |
| 14:21:53 | fontenot | red, green, blue masks: 0x0, 0x0, 0x0 |
| 14:21:55 | fontenot | significant bits in color specification: 8 bits |
| 14:21:59 | fontenot | visual: |
| 14:22:01 | fontenot | visual id: 0x24 |
| 14:22:03 | fontenot | class: StaticColor |
| 14:22:05 | fontenot | depth: 8 planes |
| 14:22:07 | fontenot | available colormap entries: 256 |
| 14:22:09 | fontenot | red, green, blue masks: 0x0, 0x0, 0x0 |
| 14:22:11 | fontenot | significant bits in color specification: 8 bits |
| 14:22:13 | fontenot | visual: |
| 14:22:15 | fontenot | visual id: 0x25 |
| 14:22:17 | fontenot | class: TrueColor |
| 14:22:19 | fontenot | depth: 8 planes |
| 14:22:21 | fontenot | available colormap entries: 8 per subfield |
| 14:22:23 | fontenot | red, green, blue masks: 0x7, 0x38, 0xc0 |
| 14:22:25 | fontenot | significant bits in color specification: 8 bits |
| 14:22:29 | fontenot | visual: |
| 14:22:31 | fontenot | visual id: 0x26 |
| 14:22:33 | fontenot | class: StaticGray |
| 14:22:35 | fontenot | depth: 8 planes |
| 14:22:37 | fontenot | available colormap entries: 256 |
| 14:22:39 | fontenot | red, green, blue masks: 0x0, 0x0, 0x0 |
| 14:22:41 | fontenot | significant bits in color specification: 8 bits |
| 14:22:43 | fontenot | mallum: it advertises those too, but the first one I sent you is the default |
| 14:22:45 | fontenot | mallum: you might have to make your own palette - not sure |
| 14:23:00 | mallum | fontenot: yeah |
| 14:23:07 | fontenot | it's getting harder to find apps (for example code) that handle mapped displays correctly |
| 14:23:33 | mallum | fontenot: all I really wanna do is specify a color and get the closest to it back |
| 14:23:50 | mallum | fontenot: I think blackbox had some good color management code |
| 14:23:54 | fontenot | what we need is a way to see the palette |
| 14:24:03 | fontenot | steal from there then |
| 14:24:21 | fontenot | that was going to be my advice - find an app that handles this correctly, and look at the source |
| 14:25:15 | prpplague | fontenot: hey its not stealing if its GPL, lol |
| 14:25:21 | mallum | yeah its all ximages though and c++ and complicated |
| 14:26:44 | fontenot | prpplague: yeah I didnt mean steal in the criminal sense |
| 14:27:14 | prpplague | fontenot: lol, i know, i'm just yanking your chain |
| 14:32:45 | fontenot | must sleep soon |
| 14:43:53 | mallum | fontenot: I think this color stuff is gonna take a while to figure out |
| 14:44:43 | fontenot | mallum: yes |
| 14:44:46 | mallum | fontenot: I think its gonna be post 0.2 , when I rewrite the theme engine |
| 14:45:13 | mallum | fontenot: if you , on your travels, you pass an app which seems to handle it well, please drop me a mail |
| 14:45:13 | CosmicPenguin | mmm... themes.... |
| 14:45:20 | mallum | fontenot: I may check the source of xpm ... |
| 14:45:39 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: I have a ~40 line xml parser :) |
| 14:46:33 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: really? Mine is 400, but at least 150 of those are white space or error messages |
| 14:46:39 | CosmicPenguin | what do you compile to? |
| 14:49:12 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: I just ripped it out of this -> http://afterstep.sourceforge.net/afterimage/ |
| 14:49:29 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: its in one of the example programs |
| 14:49:33 | CosmicPenguin | Cool |
| 14:49:39 | CosmicPenguin | XML rules.. :) |
| 14:52:20 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: will yours do chunked parsing ? |
| 14:53:07 | CosmicPenguin | no |
| 14:53:32 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: its a very simple thing I wrote for a client once, and it just keeps popping up |
| 14:53:58 | CosmicPenguin | Right now its the backbone of our STB menuing system |
| 14:54:10 | mallum | yeah I want to fix this one up so it'll parse a jabber stream |
| 14:54:20 | mallum | so I can write a mini jabber server |
| 14:55:15 | Morn | has anyone gotten a nfs mounted familiar partion to work? |
| 14:55:35 | Morn | I did about 6 months ago |
| 14:55:37 | Morn | and now I can't |
| 14:59:50 | Morn | hold the phone! |
| 14:59:53 | Morn | I think I got it |
| 15:00:16 | mallum | woohoo ! |
| 15:00:33 | Morn | familiar 0.4 works |
| 15:00:38 | Morn | but familiar 0.5.2 doesn't |
| 15:00:43 | Morn | that was the problem |
| 15:00:50 | Morn | ok, getting somewhere |
| 15:08:50 | prpplague | anyone got a suggestion on an application to consoldate and manage help/howto documents? |
| 15:12:27 | Morn | prpplague: for the web? |
| 15:13:23 | prpplague | Morn: no more for internal usage |
| 15:13:32 | Morn | not sure then |
| 15:13:40 | CosmicPenguin | Morn: perl! |
| 15:13:51 | CosmicPenguin | Morn: kidding - I know you don't like perl.... :) |
| 15:13:51 | Morn | hates perl |
| 15:16:23 | Morn | well, I'm making progress |
| 15:16:37 | Morn | I've got familiar 0.4 booting off a nfs mount to a solaris machine |
| 15:26:34 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: feel like an X questin today? |
| 15:27:21 | mallum | yeah |
| 15:27:28 | mallum | as long as it dont involve color |
| 15:33:22 | Morn | woohoo! |
| 15:33:32 | Morn | I got the opie touchscreen calibration up |
| 15:33:37 | Morn | but I can't calibrate |
| 15:33:40 | Morn | how to get past that |
| 15:33:48 | Harlekin | hmm |
| 15:34:10 | Harlekin | its an option in an configure file |
| 15:34:19 | Morn | really? |
| 15:34:56 | Harlekin | how you you want to use opie without touchscreen |
| 15:35:16 | Morn | with the ir keyboard |
| 15:35:36 | Harlekin | ah |
| 15:35:37 | Harlekin | ok |
| 15:35:40 | Harlekin | hmm |
| 15:36:12 | Morn | you don't know what file I need to edit do you? |
| 15:36:20 | Morn | It doesn't seem obvious |
| 15:36:39 | Harlekin | not outof the head |
| 15:36:44 | Harlekin | look in $HOME/Settings |
| 15:36:51 | Harlekin | on one of the conf files |
| 15:37:32 | Morn | not that I see |
| 15:37:44 | Harlekin | hmm |
| 15:38:56 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: do you know where the root screen background stipple gets set? I wanna get rid of it, because it looks horrible on TV |
| 15:39:12 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: as a matter of fact I do ! |
| 15:39:26 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: you have to patch the Xserver though |
| 15:39:35 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: I'm not afraid of doing that |
| 15:39:41 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: there was a post on the xpert list about that |
| 15:43:38 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: it only a case of populating an array location with a 1 rather than a 0 IIRC |
| 15:44:24 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: sweet! |
| 15:45:01 | Morn | ugh |
| 15:45:03 | Morn | almost |
| 17:11:50 | Morn | what values should I pass mknod for the wheaties device? |
| 17:12:35 | CosmicPenguin | is away: off to get my car |
| 17:13:31 | TomW | Morn: buildroot-tux/source/device_table.txt |
| 17:14:03 | TomW | Morn: major 60 minor 0 |
| 17:14:17 | TomW | Morn: char device |
| 17:15:41 | TomW | mallum: do you know anything about the h3600-ts device? |
| 17:16:24 | Morn | cool |
| 17:16:25 | mallum | TomW: a little |
| 17:16:32 | Morn | I have a working phone with familiar installed |
| 17:17:07 | Morn | now if I could just get opie to run |
| 17:17:28 | TomW | mallum: rmk is opening up (via ioctl) a device named /dev/h3600_tsraw. This is so he can get data from the h3600_ts while doing calibration. |
| 17:18:37 | TomW | mallum: where could I get the source for the h3600_ts driver? Is that IPAQ, or ITSY, or what? |
| 17:19:22 | mallum | TomW: its in hh.org cvs |
| 17:19:42 | mallum | TomW: afaik though it still uses the old ts interface |
| 17:21:07 | TomW | k |
| 17:21:17 | TomW | mallum: tnx |
| 17:30:15 | Morn | I have a short /etc/init.d script to start and stop tuxphone now |
| 18:10:58 | CosmicPenguin | is back (gone 00:58:22) |
| 19:01:25 | Harlekin | hi BZFlag |
| 19:03:35 | TomW | fontenot: The /dev/ucb1x00-ts doesn't allow itself to be reopened. rmk's code for the xcalibrate works against the /dev/h3600_ts which he wrote to allow the driver to be reopened. |
| 19:04:22 | Morn | hi everyone |
| 19:04:59 | TomW | grumbles |
| 19:05:09 | Morn | TomW: I know the feeling today |
| 19:05:16 | Morn | but at least I made a little progress |
| 19:05:38 | TomW | Morn: no you don't, I now have to go out an mow 3/4 acre of lawn. :-( |
| 19:05:59 | Morn | TomW: I did over an acre and half last weekend |
| 19:06:48 | TomW | Morn: heh, then you may know. I don't have a self-propelled mower. My own choice, it is one of the more regular forms of exercise that I do.. |
| 19:07:03 | Morn | luckily most of the property is wooded so you don't have to mow it |
| 19:07:14 | Morn | otherwise it would be closer to 5 acres |
| 19:07:46 | TomW | hmm, sounds like some kind of riding mower would be needed in that case (5 acres of lawn). |
| 19:07:46 | Harlekin | Morn: did it work? |
| 19:07:52 | Harlekin | Morn: bypass calibration |
| 19:07:57 | Morn | no |
| 19:08:12 | Morn | it seems it looks in /proc/sys/ts/calibration |
| 19:08:14 | TomW | Morn: calibration issues with the touchscreen stink. |
| 19:08:17 | Morn | but I don't have that issue |
| 19:08:25 | Morn | that file |
| 19:09:39 | Morn | I'm willing to not use the touchscreen for now |
| 19:09:45 | Morn | and just use the keyboard for navigation |
| 19:09:56 | Morn | but I still need to get past the auto calibration |
| 19:10:54 | Harlekin | Morn: hmm, i look trough the code what it does |
| 19:10:57 | Harlekin | give me a minute |
| 19:11:26 | TomW | I have one of two choices: modify the ucb1x00-ts driver code --OR-- build another driver that X will use to get it's data and have that driver open the ucb1x00-ts to get readings from . |
| 19:13:44 | TomW | ... or, build a daemon which acts as a touchscreen server... |
| 19:14:56 | Harlekin | does tuxscreen have a touchscreen? |
| 19:15:09 | Morn | yes |
| 19:15:42 | TomW | Harlekin: and like all touchscreens, the driver code is crap. |
| 19:16:45 | TomW | this business of not putting the jitter filter + calibration data into the driver is a mess. |
| 19:17:22 | Harlekin | what about familiar kernels? |
| 19:18:02 | Morn | I just noticed something weird |
| 19:18:06 | TomW | is away: dragging out the lawn mower |
| 19:18:22 | Morn | when the phone rings now, it shows the tuxphone data overtop of the opie calibration screen |
| 19:18:24 | Morn | that is odd |
| 19:18:26 | BZFlag | Harlekin: all phones are white as shown on the homepage http://TuxScreen.net/ and include the phone, keyboard, cables, batteries, power supply, etc. |
| 19:19:04 | Harlekin | BZFlag: k |
| 19:19:11 | Harlekin | Morn: got a solution i think |
| 19:19:16 | Morn | coolies |
| 19:19:20 | Harlekin | Morn: touch /etc/pointercal |
| 19:19:25 | Harlekin | try it |
| 19:19:28 | Morn | ok |
| 19:19:31 | Harlekin | afterwards it should not pop up |
| 19:20:53 | Morn | hey! |
| 19:20:56 | Morn | that worked |
| 19:21:01 | Morn | I have a basic opie screen |
| 19:21:08 | Morn | nothing installed yet though |
| 19:21:29 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 19:21:34 | Harlekin | ipkg install .... |
| 19:22:00 | Harlekin | but |
| 19:22:07 | Harlekin | can you navigate with an keyboard? |
| 19:22:12 | Morn | Yeah |
| 19:22:16 | Morn | and then I ran out of ram |
| 19:22:18 | Morn | and it crashed |
| 19:22:19 | Harlekin | i dont think we have much code in there yet |
| 19:22:21 | Harlekin | regarding that |
| 19:22:25 | Harlekin | crashed? |
| 19:22:26 | Harlekin | ohoh |
| 19:22:33 | Morn | the arrow keys move and space selects |
| 19:22:46 | Morn | I'll try to do some ipkg installs from the command line |
| 19:23:03 | Morn | I had only installed task-opie so far |
| 19:23:33 | Harlekin | Morn: but how do you switch tabs? |
| 19:23:46 | Morn | I'd think tab would do that |
| 19:23:46 | Harlekin | Morn: does tuxscreen has a network? |
| 19:23:49 | Morn | but I haven't tried |
| 19:23:58 | Morn | yes, it is connected to the net |
| 19:24:03 | Harlekin | how? |
| 19:24:16 | Morn | I did the 5.0v hack for a pcmcia ethernet card |
| 19:24:24 | Harlekin | hmm |
| 19:25:38 | Harlekin | ipkg install opie-adressbook konqeuror opie-datebook opie-todolist opie-mpegplayer |
| 19:25:42 | Harlekin | ... |
| 19:27:03 | Morn | the tuxscreen can't play music |
| 19:27:47 | Morn | shouldn't the icons have text below them? |
| 19:27:54 | Morn | it looks like the text is REALLY small |
| 19:28:28 | Harlekin | Morn: opie-mpegplayer plays video too |
| 19:28:45 | Morn | I have the datebook open |
| 19:28:48 | Morn | without crashing |
| 19:28:49 | Harlekin | Morn: as soon as i get one ill make a better adaption of opie for tuxscreen .-) |
| 19:29:04 | Harlekin | Morn: opie needs little adaption for each device |
| 19:29:18 | Morn | Harlekin: it will be better when I can use the full ram I have for it |
| 19:29:26 | Harlekin | Morn: zaurus, ipaq, vr3, yopy, psion have all there "config" file too |
| 19:31:35 | Morn | the clock works |
| 19:31:39 | Morn | it's HUGE |
| 19:32:32 | Morn | esc takes you out of an app |
| 19:35:14 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 19:35:34 | Harlekin | Morn: ipkg-install opie-kbill |
| 20:19:59 | Morn | mallum: it's working! |
| 20:20:07 | mallum | what is ? |
| 20:20:11 | Morn | opie |
| 20:20:15 | mallum | ack |
| 20:20:15 | Morn | on the tuxscreen |
| 20:20:16 | mallum | spit |
| 20:20:23 | mallum | ;P |
| 20:27:38 | mallum | Morn: does opie run out of memory though ? |
| 20:27:47 | Morn | some apps do |
| 20:27:49 | Morn | some don't |
| 20:28:01 | Morn | It will be better when I can use the full 32mb sodimm |
| 20:29:40 | mallum | Morn: I know you female now ... not using X ;) |
| 20:30:44 | Morn | doh! |
| 20:30:50 | sjhill | wow, andersee is actually here |
| 20:31:30 | andersee | yeah I know... |
| 20:31:40 | andersee | I didn't get your patch in yet... :( |
| 20:32:13 | Morn | mallum: but I'm using vim to edit the source files |
| 20:32:38 | andersee | Morn earns 5 point for using the One True Editor(tm) |
| 20:32:53 | mallum | emacs emacs emacs emacs |
| 20:33:29 | Morn | mallum: I don't use emacs because I refuse to pray to RMS just for editing files |
| 20:35:49 | mallum | Morn: yeah, you just pray to him turn your vim ascii into binary :) |
| 20:36:05 | Morn | sigh |
| 20:36:21 | Morn | well, I stopped the ringing of the phone from messing up the opie screen |
| 20:36:32 | Morn | I feel like I accomplished something |
| 20:38:31 | mallum | you did, well done ! |
| 20:38:50 | Morn | now do I learn QT programming so I can make a dialer for opie |
| 20:38:51 | mallum | I was only joking around about opie ..... |
| 20:38:58 | Morn | and tie it into the address book |
| 20:40:34 | Morn | how do you get a screen shot with cating the fb? |
| 20:40:38 | Morn | I want to show someone this |
| 20:40:53 | Russ|werk | I think its in some raw format when you cat /dev/fb > file |
| 20:40:58 | Russ|werk | xpm or something |
| 20:41:03 | Morn | ok |
| 20:41:08 | Morn | thanks |
| 20:48:04 | as_ | Evnin all. |
| 20:48:09 | TomW | Morn: import -window root -display 192.168.211.7:0 foo.png |
| 20:48:27 | TomW | is back (gone 01:30:20) |
| 20:48:28 | Morn | TomW: that would work for X |
| 20:48:31 | Morn | but not for opie |
| 20:48:34 | TomW | k |
| 20:48:45 | Morn | and it doesn't like like this is xpm |
| 20:48:51 | Morn | at least gimp can't open it |
| 20:48:57 | TomW | wasn't Opie that little kid on Maybury ? |
| 20:49:10 | Morn | I think so |
| 20:50:53 | CosmicPenguin | Morn: its not XPM, it is raw data.... there should be some capture program on the web |
| 20:51:13 | andersee | Hi CosmicPenguin |
| 20:51:16 | Morn | I just found a program to convert it to ppm |
| 20:51:17 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: hello! |
| 20:51:36 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: long time no type |
| 20:52:28 | andersee | hehe |
| 20:55:32 | Morn | ick, the colors are all messed up |
| 21:01:01 | Russ|werk | Morn: the fb on the tux has a palette |
| 21:01:07 | Russ|werk | Morn: so if you don't get it... |
| 21:01:57 | Morn | I was using /dev/fb0 |
| 21:02:33 | Morn | I just wanted to show a friend |
| 21:03:07 | Russ|werk | just giving a clue as to why the colors might be b0rked |
| 21:03:21 | Morn | any idea how I would deal with that? |
| 21:05:32 | Morn | hi ctr |
| 21:05:48 | ctr | yellow |
| 21:27:49 | scanline | is back (gone 07:14:27) |
| 22:44:30 | CosmicPenguin | anyone else notice that appending a console=/dev/tty2 to a recent kernel seems to lock things up, or is it just me? |
| 22:45:18 | Russ|werk | uh-oh |
| 22:45:32 | Russ|werk | I don't know... |
| 22:48:34 | andersee | Anyone else notice that when ash is invoked as a login shell command completion seems to ignore the PATH variable? |
| 23:08:22 | CosmicPenguin | when I redirect to a serial console, all is well..... |
| 23:08:45 | CosmicPenguin | doh |
| 23:22:15 | jacques | GDPOSMFOPN |
| 23:22:15 | | Test cancelled. |
| 23:22:15 | jacques | ibot: test |
| 23:23:11 | jacques | finafuckingly |
| 23:23:11 | jacques | 25 second response time there ibot |
| 23:23:21 | mallum | mornin jacques |
| 23:23:41 | mallum | jacques: theres a 0.2 tarball in my downloads directory |
| 23:23:45 | as2 | openprojects is splitting. |
| 23:23:59 | | matchbox is probably a X11 window manager for handheld devices. Info, screenshots & downloadable at http://handhelds.org/~mallum/matchbox . Ipkg is in the familiar unstable feed. Development versions and other goodies at http://handhelds.org/~mallum/downloadables/ |
| 23:23:59 | mallum | ibot: matchbox |
| 23:26:42 | | Test Failed! |
| 23:26:42 | jacques | ibot: test |
| 23:27:21 | | I haven't seen 'timx', jacques |
| 23:27:21 | jacques | ibot: seen timx |
| 23:27:26 | | tomw was last seen on #tuxscreen 2 hours, 38 minutes and 29 seconds ago, saying: wasn't Opie that little kid on Maybury ? [Fri Apr 26 21:48:57 2002] |
| 23:27:26 | jacques | ibot: seen tomw |
| 23:38:33 | andersee | just fixed busybox ash so cmdedit will properly respect PATH settings |
| 23:39:53 | BZFlag | properly or probably? ;-) |
| 23:41:35 | andersee | properly... |
| 23:42:20 | andersee | As was, cmdedit was calling getenv("PATH"), but ash was not keeping its own PATH environemnt current |
| 23:43:04 | as2 | Sorry for the simplicity of the question, do I need linux on my PC to install it on the tuxscreen? |
| 23:45:04 | | jacques: no idea |
| 23:45:04 | jacques | ibot: are you here? |
| 23:51:29 | jacques | later, wb, later, wb, later, wb |
| 23:52:14 | Russ|werk | andersee: hmmm...I think watchdog isn't working as advertised |
| 23:54:32 | Russ|werk | or something... |
| 23:54:44 | Russ|werk | about 75 seconds after boot, the system locks |
| 23:54:54 | Russ|werk | (its an x86 board, not a tuxscreen) |
| 23:55:08 | andersee | Oh? Hmm. I suppose you will need to speak with out refunds department. ;-) |
| 23:56:27 | andersee | Russ|werk: you have the kernel driver enabled? |
| 23:56:38 | andersee | Russ|werk: All the busybox applet does is: |
| 23:56:40 | andersee | while (1) { |
| 23:56:41 | andersee | sleep(30); |
| 23:56:41 | andersee | write(fd, "\0", 1); |
| 23:56:41 | andersee | } |
| 23:56:45 | Russ|werk | I do |
| 23:58:15 | Russ|werk | ok, so its probably not watchdog |
