| 00:02:51 | cbiffle | prpplague: I don't know why it wouldn't be on my phone, I'm using the stock adapter. |
| 00:16:26 | andersee | cbiffle: wanna email me your ps patch? |
| 00:25:05 | cbiffle | andersee: http://apt.biffle.org:8082/ps.c.patch |
| 00:34:19 | pmisfit | fontenot: great work on tinyx last nite. |
| 00:55:09 | fontenot | pmisfit: thanks! |
| 00:55:58 | cbiffle | andersee: ya? |
| 00:56:58 | andersee | cbiffle: got it. |
| 00:57:10 | cbiffle | andersee: Does it patch? |
| 00:57:31 | cbiffle | andersee: And are you averse to me trying to rewrite the ps file-parsing code in general? :-) |
| 00:57:35 | andersee | I patched it in by hand |
| 00:58:00 | andersee | everything in this world can be improved.... |
| 01:01:50 | Morn | cbiffle: will opie run from a nfs mount? |
| 01:03:00 | prpplague | Morn: hey girl, what ya been working on? haven't heard from you very much lately? |
| 01:03:31 | Morn | prpplague: To be honest I've been having troubles with my illness lately, but I'm back on meds so it is getting better |
| 01:03:43 | Morn | I'm thinking about getting opie on the tux and writing some code again |
| 01:06:48 | prpplague | Morn: sorry to hear that |
| 01:07:17 | prpplague | Morn: i can't seem to get away from the server end of things long enough to get any embedded dev done |
| 01:07:46 | prpplague | Morn: we are going to migrate all 5200 of our legacy SCO boxes to linux starting in october |
| 01:08:09 | Morn | wow |
| 01:09:32 | Morn | 9:12pm up 51 day(s), 22 hr(s) my solaris box, I'll give it this, it is dependable |
| 01:11:47 | prpplague | 9:14pm up 140 days, 6:25 |
| 01:12:14 | Morn | what os? |
| 01:12:25 | Morn | I'd have been up longer except for power outages |
| 01:12:29 | prpplague | thats a rhat 5.2 box been running since 1997 |
| 01:12:46 | Morn | 5.2? that is an anchient kernel |
| 01:14:04 | prpplague | Morn: ya buy hey, if it ain't broke don't fix it |
| 01:14:46 | Morn | there are security issues |
| 01:15:51 | prpplague | ya this is used only for internal email, a web page, and nfs, all within a small unconnected network |
| 01:16:01 | Morn | ok |
| 01:16:04 | Morn | that is ok |
| 01:16:22 | Morn | I wouldn't put a machine that old on the open internet |
| 01:18:32 | prpplague | ya might put "welcome to my box, please hack me" as the /etc/issue |
| 01:19:02 | Morn | "Welcome to the box, it is a hack waiting to happen" |
| 01:19:55 | prpplague | Morn: the funny thing is, up untill about 3 months ago, everyone in the deparment thought it was a NT box |
| 01:20:21 | Morn | giggle |
| 01:20:43 | BZFlag | prpplague: if it's been up that long, there's no way it's an NT box. |
| 01:20:45 | prpplague | i upgraded the samba and forgot to change the id to "NT Server" |
| 01:20:49 | prpplague | lol |
| 01:20:59 | Morn | re's cbiffle |
| 01:22:04 | prpplague | BZFlag: hey, sounds like you guys have had a busy day..... |
| 01:23:02 | prpplague | BZFlag: btw, is that cool pda with fold up keyboard still in the works? |
| 01:24:20 | Morn | for some reason when I rebooted my tux it doesn't get a dial tone :-( |
| 01:27:04 | prpplague | Morn: my new tux is becoming a organ donnor this weekend....., lcd to one project, core to another, keyboard to another..... |
| 01:27:37 | Morn | now this is weird |
| 01:27:44 | Morn | if I unplug the tux I get a dial tone |
| 01:27:54 | cbiffle | Morn: I'm back. :-) Yes, Opie runs happily off of an NFS mount using the standard linuxrc included with the buildroot-tux distribution. It's a hell of a lot faster off Compactflash, though. |
| 01:27:59 | Morn | I plug it in and when it gets to a certian point in the boot the dial tone goes away |
| 01:28:30 | Morn | cbiffle: For testing I'll stick with the NFS |
| 01:28:36 | cbiffle | Morn: I'm having very similar issues, except I -can't- get a dialtone. |
| 01:28:46 | cbiffle | Morn: Yeah, I use NFS to make and test the filesystem and then copy it onto CF. |
| 01:29:06 | prpplague | cbiffle: i thought you were running on batteries |
| 01:29:25 | Morn | you just compiled opie, and called the qpestart (or whatever I forget) |
| 01:29:53 | cbiffle | prpplague: I can get no dialtone regardless of power state. |
| 01:30:09 | prpplague | cbiffle: ahh |
| 01:30:29 | prpplague | sounds like something in the dsp code is hosed |
| 01:30:32 | cbiffle | Morn: *nod* We compiled it on a Linux box and then installed the ipkgs. |
| 01:30:40 | cbiffle | prpplague: My thinking as well. Anyone know how to fix that? :-) |
| 01:30:54 | Morn | cbiffle: there is a ipkg for the tux? |
| 01:30:54 | cbiffle | I really do think something is wrong with the DSP. |
| 01:30:57 | prpplague | trashed his dsp board and does't use it |
| 01:31:17 | cbiffle | prpplague: Can you still get audio functionality using a different board? I really bought this thing to be a VoIP set. |
| 01:31:39 | cbiffle | Morn: We used the iPaq-compiled packages and I wrote a four-line shell script to install the packages themselves. |
| 01:32:12 | Morn | can I get the script? |
| 01:32:35 | prpplague | cbiffle: don't know an answer to that, audio isn't my thing |
| 01:32:59 | BZFlag | prpplague: it's by "Vercel" and yes, it's coming along nicely. |
| 01:33:10 | prpplague | is into account/inventory/POS |
| 01:33:13 | cbiffle | Morn: Yurp. |
| 01:33:22 | prpplague | BZFlag: eta? |
| 01:33:36 | Morn | cbiffle: could you email me it? julie@MageNet.com |
| 01:33:48 | cbiffle | Morn: the basic idea is feed the ipkg to gunzip, then untar it. (It's just a .tgz). This will produce three files; the data.tar.gz file needs to be unzip/untarred into /. |
| 01:33:57 | BZFlag | developer model probably aroung july. commercial target is late august. |
| 01:33:57 | cbiffle | Then delete all three. |
| 01:34:01 | cbiffle | Morn: I |
| 01:34:28 | cbiffle | Morn: I'm not at my Tux, I'm at work. :-) |
| 01:34:35 | Morn | ok |
| 01:35:28 | Morn | ok, I think my phone works again |
| 01:35:40 | cbiffle | Yay! |
| 01:35:41 | Morn | I have dial tone |
| 01:35:43 | cbiffle | Mine doesn't. :-) |
| 01:35:44 | Morn | and touch tone |
| 01:35:45 | cbiffle | What'd you do? |
| 01:35:55 | Morn | for some reason tuxphone wasn't getting started |
| 01:35:57 | pmisfit | fontenot: only weirdness i've seen in tinyx is an insistence on using /usr/local/uclibc/arm-linux-gcc , which, of course, doesn't exist on my box. |
| 01:35:59 | Morn | I started it by hand |
| 01:36:53 | andersee | anybody have any patches for busybox pending? |
| 01:37:30 | cbiffle | raises hand |
| 01:37:40 | Morn | cbiffle: I'm really excited about opie on the tux |
| 01:37:43 | cbiffle | Poor timing though, I'm at work without access to my server. :-\ |
| 01:37:50 | andersee | k |
| 01:37:54 | cbiffle | Morn: Me too! I just wish my Tux worked so I could finish it! *grin* Soon, soon. Vosque is loaning me a unit. |
| 01:37:59 | andersee | cbiffle: email it to me |
| 01:38:18 | pmisfit | mumbles and kicks imaginary objects |
| 01:38:28 | cbiffle | andersee: will do. The patch is very simple and I'm not even sure if it's a positive contribution; I'm just moving ps over to parse /proc/#/stat, which is easier to parse. |
| 01:38:44 | Morn | cbiffle: can I get in on some of the development? I'm just a lowly girl, but I can code |
| 01:38:53 | cbiffle | Morn: Sweet. You do any Qt? |
| 01:39:06 | Morn | I've not done a lot... but I learn quick |
| 01:39:23 | Morn | I was thinking of porting some of the picogui stuff for dialing to Opie as a start |
| 01:39:39 | cbiffle | Morn: Groovy. Qt is very, very easy to work with. Particularly if you have any Java experience. |
| 01:39:39 | Morn | maybe looking at being able to dial from the address book |
| 01:39:50 | Morn | is a SERIOUS Java programmer |
| 01:40:10 | cbiffle | Morn: Ah. Qt is, imho, (as another serious java programmer) basically Java-for-C++. It looks and feels a -lot- like Swing. |
| 01:40:23 | Morn | that will make it easier |
| 01:40:56 | Morn | my main problem is my linux development box is my laptop (450 Mhz machine with 192Meg of ram) |
| 01:41:05 | Morn | not the fastest machine to compile on |
| 01:41:22 | cbiffle | Basically, somebody needs to implement a new QWSMouseHandler object. This object has only a couple of methods: one that requests calibration data, and then an event that's emitted when a coordinate is changed. |
| 01:41:31 | cbiffle | I think it'll be duck soup. |
| 01:42:05 | cbiffle | Well, figuratively speaking. |
| 01:42:13 | cbiffle | Since all the code's written already, but not plugged into Qt itself. |
| 01:42:34 | vosque | yawns. |
| 01:42:35 | Morn | let me try to get a test system up and running |
| 01:42:42 | Morn | and then I'll see what I can contribute |
| 01:42:48 | cbiffle | Okay. If you need any help/suggestions (or, hell, even a tarred filesystem) let me know. |
| 01:43:16 | Morn | I'd like to compile the base system on my own |
| 01:43:22 | cbiffle | One thing to be careful about is that QtE does, currently, seem to want libc. Or at least, I haven't gotten it to compile against uClibc. I'm using the ARM libc build from the Familiar distribution currently. |
| 01:43:36 | Morn | ah |
| 01:43:37 | Morn | ok |
| 01:43:37 | vosque | I'm going to play with that tonight, seriously, I think. |
| 01:43:54 | cbiffle | *nod* Good, because I'm tired of having to steal libraries off your iPaq, vosque. |
| 01:44:00 | vosque | :P |
| 01:44:38 | Morn | cbiffle: have you done any modifications to buildroot-tux for this? |
| 01:45:07 | cbiffle | Morn: Nope. |
| 01:45:12 | vosque | nothing exportable, yet. |
| 01:45:17 | cbiffle | Morn: Just dropped in the missing libraries (which I think was just libc.so.6) |
| 01:45:46 | cbiffle | I have been working out some mods to busybox, but that's not related. |
| 01:46:29 | Morn | Today I got some nice streaming video going with PocketPC 2002 and my XP server |
| 01:46:39 | Morn | stuff I recorded with SnapStream |
| 01:47:21 | | I haven't seen 'timw', jacques |
| 01:47:21 | jacques | ibot: seen timw |
| 01:47:25 | | tomw was last seen on #tuxscreen 14 hours, 47 minutes and 16 seconds ago, saying: fontenot: g'nite [Wed Apr 24 12:00:09 2002] |
| 01:47:25 | jacques | ibot: seen tomw |
| 01:47:39 | | jg was last seen on #handhelds.org 7 hours, 39 minutes and 56 seconds ago, saying: mallum: usually not very hard, in reality.... [Wed Apr 24 19:07:43 2002] |
| 01:47:39 | jacques | ibot: seen jg |
| 01:47:58 | jacques | hi andersee |
| 01:48:05 | | god was last seen on #tuxboxproject 102 days, 20 hours, 49 minutes and 15 seconds ago, saying: I am god [Sat Jan 12 04:58:50 2002] |
| 01:48:05 | cbiffle | ibot: seen god |
| 01:48:25 | | I haven't seen 'Godzilla', vosque |
| 01:48:25 | vosque | ibot: Seen Godzilla? |
| 01:48:30 | vosque | That's too bad. |
| 01:48:32 | vosque | It's a great movie. |
| 01:48:38 | | I haven't seen 'the', cbiffle |
| 01:48:38 | cbiffle | ibot: seen the easter bunny? |
| 01:48:47 | jacques | lol |
| 01:49:01 | | i think that is very funny. |
| 01:49:01 | jacques | ibot: that |
| 01:49:01 | cbiffle | I haven't seen the cbiffle either. |
| 01:49:07 | | jacques: I forgot that |
| 01:49:07 | jacques | ibot: forget that |
| 01:49:16 | | jacques: i'm not following you... |
| 01:49:16 | jacques | ibot: this |
| 01:49:20 | | jacques: i'm not following you... |
| 01:49:20 | jacques | ibot: these |
| 01:49:23 | | those are the biggest knockers I have EVER seen! |
| 01:49:23 | jacques | ibot: those |
| 01:49:32 | vosque | That's not right. |
| 01:49:33 | jacques | ahem |
| 01:49:42 | | Godzilla. is nothing but a festering tongueful of left-over pus. |
| 01:49:42 | vosque | ibot: insult Godzilla. |
| 01:49:51 | cbiffle | Oooh, he's gonna get it for that one. |
| 01:50:02 | | jacques: Something failed in connecting to the NOAA web server. Try again later. |
| 01:50:02 | jacques | ibot: weather ksjc |
| 01:50:02 | jacques | too long |
| 01:50:02 | | cbiffle: Try a 4-letter station code (see http://weather.noaa.gov/weather/curcond.html for locations and codes) |
| 01:50:02 | cbiffle | ibot: weather Mercury |
| 01:50:22 | | bugger all, i dunno, cbiffle |
| 01:50:22 | cbiffle | ibot: Why is the planet Mercury made of noughat? |
| 01:50:32 | cbiffle | Aw, shucks. |
| 01:50:36 | vosque | ah well. |
| 01:50:48 | | Morn: Something failed in connecting to the NOAA web server. Try again later. |
| 01:50:48 | Morn | ibot: weather knyc |
| 01:50:48 | vosque | kermit takes a long time to download. |
| 01:50:48 | | eight ball is Better not tell you now |
| 01:50:48 | jacques | ibot: eight ball |
| 01:50:57 | | somebody said eight ball was Signs point to yes |
| 01:50:57 | jacques | ibot: eight ball |
| 01:52:03 | | cbiffle: excuse me? |
| 01:52:03 | cbiffle | ibot: nine ball |
| 01:52:08 | jacques | we need input on the busybox tinyx build |
| 01:52:12 | | OK, cbiffle. |
| 01:52:12 | cbiffle | ibot: nine ball is sticky. |
| 01:52:13 | jacques | anyone tried it? |
| 01:52:27 | | Morn: Something failed in connecting to the NOAA web server. Try again later. |
| 01:52:27 | Morn | ibot: weather knyc |
| 01:52:27 | | hmmm... nine ball is sticky. |
| 01:52:27 | cbiffle | ibot: nine ball |
| 01:53:21 | vosque | .s |
| 01:53:22 | vosque | oops |
| 01:53:24 | vosque | wrong window |
| 01:53:34 | | OK, cbiffle. |
| 01:53:34 | cbiffle | ibot: Ghengis Khan is textured somewhat like velvet with a creamy center. |
| 01:53:45 | cbiffle | *sniff* He's learning so much... |
| 01:54:10 | | vosque: no idea |
| 01:54:10 | vosque | ibot: cbiffle is an IRC user who likes to fill IRC bots with database entries that make no sense at all. |
| 01:54:22 | vosque | damn you! |
| 01:54:26 | | vosque: i'm not following you... |
| 01:54:26 | vosque | curse you, ibot! |
| 01:54:44 | | cbiffle: what? |
| 01:54:44 | cbiffle | ibot: vosque has a raccoon, like, in his sock and stuff. |
| 01:55:05 | jacques | lol |
| 01:55:07 | vosque | How did you know, cbiffle? |
| 01:55:11 | | bugger all, i dunno, cbiffle |
| 01:55:11 | cbiffle | ibot: cbiffle is not sure what's going on, but is reasonably confident it shouldn't be happening. |
| 01:55:45 | | OK, cbiffle. |
| 01:55:45 | cbiffle | ibot: SPAM is a small dwarf with an IQ of 193. |
| 01:55:53 | vosque | HAT U |
| 01:56:12 | | ...but tree is a big leafy thing... |
| 01:56:12 | cbiffle | ibot: tree is a sports car with only three wheels. |
| 01:56:15 | vosque | Well, now that we've scared everyone away... |
| 01:56:22 | cbiffle | cbiffle: no, tree is a sports car with only three wheels. |
| 01:56:26 | cbiffle | Erm. |
| 01:56:29 | cbiffle | *foom* |
| 01:56:33 | vosque | TALKING TO YOURSELF NOW, ARE YOU!? |
| 01:56:49 | Morn | well folks, I'm going to take some well earned down time and veg in front of the tv |
| 01:56:53 | cbiffle | You can tell my psych degree has an emphasis in AI, can't you? :-) |
| 01:57:09 | cbiffle | They don't let me near expert systems anymore. Ever. |
| 01:57:31 | vosque | Morn: Later! look forward to seeing what happens with opie. :) |
| 01:57:38 | cbiffle | Morn: Have fun. :-) |
| 01:57:42 | Morn | I hope so |
| 01:58:01 | Morn | is away: down time... where is the off switch? |
| 01:58:21 | vosque | hmm.. |
| 01:58:34 | vosque | Genna's out of town from June 5th to June 14th. |
| 01:59:16 | KeyserSoze | anyone here a picoGUI expert? |
| 01:59:39 | cbiffle | KeyserSoze: I am an expert in very small GUIs, but not picoGUI specifically. :-) |
| 01:59:54 | cbiffle | KeyserSoze: If you're not happy with curses, you're asking too much! :-) |
| 02:00:53 | KeyserSoze | #picogui is empty. |
| 02:00:53 | KeyserSoze | actually, you wouldn't need to be an expert. just know more than me, which isn't hard. |
| 02:01:13 | KeyserSoze | yeah, i need GUIx10^-9 help |
| 02:01:33 | KeyserSoze | windows*10^-6 expertise doesn't apply. |
| 02:02:11 | vosque | That is such a bad joke. You deserve an award. :) |
| 02:02:38 | cbiffle | ... |
| 02:02:45 | cbiffle | Actually, isn't pico 10^-12? |
| 02:03:04 | cbiffle | Ah, well. Fucking good joke all the same. |
| 02:03:12 | cbiffle | (Pardon my English.) |
| 02:03:43 | KeyserSoze | doh! |
| 02:03:56 | KeyserSoze | i forgot, it is Xx10^-9, isn't it? |
| 02:04:17 | KeyserSoze | microwindows, nano-x, picoGUI. |
| 02:04:20 | cbiffle | nano is 10^-9. |
| 02:04:46 | cbiffle | Fine. I'm going to go create femtogui or attogui and THEN we'll see how you all feel! |
| 02:05:29 | KeyserSoze | LOL. I already asked scanline if he was worried about that. |
| 02:05:56 | cbiffle | I'm already working it out with vosque here. It'll be curses-like, non-graphical. |
| 02:06:10 | cbiffle | Vosque points out that attogui should just write to the serial port and not actually contain a display driver. |
| 02:06:39 | cbiffle | Oh, hey, who's near their tuxscreen? |
| 02:06:50 | KeyserSoze | i am! |
| 02:06:58 | cbiffle | cat /dev/urandom > /dev/fb0 |
| 02:07:33 | cbiffle | Pretty pictures. Though if you get the Virgin Mary or something you may need an exorcism. |
| 02:07:44 | vosque | ....and he wonders why his tux is acting funny.... |
| 02:07:48 | KeyserSoze | ooh, it's snowing! |
| 02:07:48 | KeyserSoze | cat: write: No space left on device |
| 02:08:10 | cbiffle | *nod* Yeah, fb0 acts like a device sized for the display RAM. Which is probably exactly what it is. So when you hit the end of the screen, no space left. |
| 02:08:57 | KeyserSoze | can i use /dev/fb0 to get a screenshot? |
| 02:09:14 | cbiffle | Ooooh. What an interesting idea. |
| 02:09:20 | cbiffle | It might be write only. Haven't tried. |
| 02:09:47 | cbiffle | It'd be just a straight set of eight-bit pixels; you'd have to figure out the palette to get it to look right. |
| 02:12:09 | | ...but cheese is stuff that grows in milk... |
| 02:12:09 | cbiffle | ibot: cheese is a marmoset. |
| 02:12:11 | jacques | anyone know if the pallete is fixed or mappable? |
| 02:12:25 | | jacques: excuse me? |
| 02:12:25 | jacques | ibot: it's time to be quiet now |
| 02:12:30 | cbiffle | jacques: mappable, because when Opie starts up the penguin in the corner goes hallucenogenic. |
| 02:12:59 | jacques | cbiffle: thanks |
| 02:13:04 | cbiffle | Incidentally, when the palette changes you can see that the author wrote his name at the top of the image using palette tricks. You can't see it normally (the name and not-name map to the same colors) but when the palette is changed it shows up. |
| 02:14:18 | jacques | lol |
| 02:15:25 | cbiffle | Thought it was a cool trick. |
| 02:15:36 | jacques | yeah |
| 02:16:35 | cbiffle | Did anyone else find the paint program hidden in the Inferno bootloader? |
| 02:17:28 | Russ|werk | ya |
| 02:17:33 | Russ|werk | its noted on the wiku |
| 02:17:34 | Russ|werk | er |
| 02:17:35 | Russ|werk | wiki |
| 02:18:00 | cbiffle | Ah, okay. I find that I have trouble just running across info in the wiki; to get to most things I have to google directly. |
| 02:18:06 | cbiffle | Perhaps that's just my broken brain. :-) |
| 02:37:47 | jacques | bored now |
| 03:12:40 | scanline | is back (gone 07:25:07) |
| 03:29:23 | scanline | is away: playing AD&D |
| 03:29:47 | pmisfit | jacques: hmm. any idea why tinyx insists on using /usr/local/uclibc/bin/arm-linux-gcc, which doesn't exist? |
| 03:30:21 | pmisfit | i looked in makefiles, imakefiles, etc, and couldn't find where that's coming from. |
| 03:31:58 | | pmisfit: wish i knew |
| 03:31:58 | pmisfit | ibot: what's the point? |
| 03:56:18 | cbiffle | Hell-ooooooo Tuxscreen! |
| 04:14:57 | | rumour has it here is a pic, the silk screening isnt perfect, it is more of a cream than white, but it was just a test http://www.tuxboxproject.com/images/Jan16_01.JPG |
| 04:14:57 | jacques | pmisfit: still here? |
| 04:15:10 | | jacques: I forgot everything |
| 04:15:10 | jacques | ibot: forget everything |
| 04:15:43 | jacques | hi BZFlag |
| 04:17:00 | jacques | pmisfit: delete the x config files from sources/dl and reget them |
| 04:23:31 | pmisfit | jacques: sorry |
| 04:24:15 | pmisfit | jacques: thanks will try that. didn't think of lookign there... |
| 04:34:30 | pmisfit | jacques: still there. nuking my build/xc* dir and trying again... |
| 04:35:32 | TomW | yawns, scratches self |
| 04:35:46 | TomW | jacques: g'morning! |
| 04:50:17 | TomW | That zmodem stuff is so cool! |
| 04:51:19 | jacques | TomW: hi!!! |
| 04:51:41 | TomW | jacques: you must have been snozing. |
| 04:51:44 | jacques | pmisfit: hmm, I just built it a couple hours ago and it workedfine |
| 04:51:53 | jacques | TomW: was reading miataforum |
| 04:52:40 | TomW | k, I have some things to check into. For some reason, when tinyx comes up now, it has a blue background with a blue X ? |
| 04:52:42 | TomW | ! |
| 04:53:04 | jacques | ??? |
| 04:53:15 | jacques | huh? |
| 04:53:15 | TomW | I know, weird. |
| 04:53:21 | jacques | very weird |
| 04:53:52 | jacques | maybe someone has been making "improvements" ? :-\ |
| 04:54:26 | jacques | TomW: anything in the starts script ? |
| 04:54:29 | jacques | startx |
| 04:54:35 | jacques | xsetroot ? |
| 04:54:36 | TomW | I grabbed another unit, let me upload the kernel + ramdisk into that one. |
| 04:55:54 | jacques | TomW: do you have the ability to look at a commit log for cvs ? |
| 04:56:09 | jacques | pmisfit: how's it going? |
| 04:56:36 | pmisfit | pretty well so far... |
| 04:56:51 | jacques | pmisfit: still trying to use /usr/local/uclibc ? |
| 04:57:00 | jacques | pmisfit: you dont have CC env var set do yo ? |
| 04:57:09 | pmisfit | nope. it's now finding the proper gcc. |
| 04:57:16 | pmisfit | cool. |
| 04:57:39 | TomW | jacques: commit log? |
| 04:57:40 | jacques | pmisfit: Cool :-) |
| 04:57:58 | pmisfit | you gentlemen did some fine work, i'll tell you. |
| 04:58:01 | jacques | TomW: that way you could see if anyone changed anything in the X build |
| 04:58:10 | jacques | TomW: a log of cvs commits |
| 04:59:36 | TomW | jacques: I have an older image (buildroot-tux), if it comes to that I can backstep a bit. |
| 04:59:56 | pmisfit | if you subscribe to tuxscreen-cvs, you get emails everytime someone commits... |
| 05:00:10 | jacques | TomW: things like that dont just happen - it's got me really puzzled :-) |
| 05:00:16 | TomW | pmisfit: I have too many lists I watch now! |
| 05:00:45 | TomW | jacques: You!? I am wondering if the LCD controller on my 32Meg unit crapped out! |
| 05:00:46 | pmisfit | TomW: http://www.procmail.org |
| 05:01:31 | jacques | TomW: it kinda sounds like xlogo scaled to full screen |
| 05:02:00 | jacques | TomW: is it the X windows x ? |
| 05:05:29 | | rumour has it matchbox is a X11 window manager for handheld devices. Info, screenshots & downloadable at http://handhelds.org/~mallum/matchbox . Ipkg is in the familiar unstable feed. Development versions and other goodies at http://handhelds.org/~mallum/downloadables/ |
| 05:05:29 | jacques | ibot: matchbox |
| 05:06:52 | | jacques: huh? |
| 05:06:52 | jacques | ibot: I want facts, not rumors |
| 05:11:07 | | wish i knew, pmisfit |
| 05:11:07 | pmisfit | ibot: what does korzybski say about the word "is"? |
| 05:11:24 | | wish i knew, pmisfit |
| 05:11:24 | pmisfit | ibot: what does clinton say about the word "is"? |
| 05:14:45 | jacques | is in suspense. |
| 05:17:09 | TomW | jacques: Ok, there was something wrong in the rootfs that I had in the tux. |
| 05:18:15 | TomW | I put a new ramdisk in place, it works fine now. Weird, something that I uploaded / ran last night (this morning) put something somewhere. I did not take the time to see if an .Xsession, etc., files were in the /root dir. |
| 05:19:10 | jacques | TomW: phew! |
| 05:19:23 | TomW | jacques: What was annoying was that I took that Tux to class with me tonite to show my students how a simple Linux system looked in comparison to that installed on a PC. When i fired it up before class, I got that crappy blue stuff! |
| 05:19:47 | TomW | jacques: double-whew! It is not my LCD controller (SA-1100 chip). |
| 05:19:58 | TomW | takes deep breath! |
| 05:20:12 | jacques | TomW: well by next class you'll have a wm :-D |
| 05:20:36 | | mallum was last seen on #handhelds.org 11 hours, 11 minutes and 37 seconds ago, saying: jg: I think its all hidden away is the vesa drivers, chips seems to be using code from there to init colors etc [Wed Apr 24 19:08:59 2002] |
| 05:20:36 | jacques | ibot: seen mallum |
| 05:21:35 | TomW | jacques: Ok, before I get started with tonites session. I want to change the tinyx makefile system so that the Xlibs are placed into /usr/lib during the build process. Also, I want to construct a mechanism to specify apps to be placed into /usr/X11R6/bin as well. This will take abt an hour. |
| 05:22:10 | TomW | jacques: how are we doing on a wm for this thing? |
| 05:22:34 | jacques | TomW: i got aewm working OK. I want to try matchbox |
| 05:22:58 | pmisfit | decides to get the hell out of the way... heavy construction commencing... |
| 05:23:05 | jacques | TomW: not too much progress since you left this morning |
| 05:23:45 | TomW | pmisfit: stick around, we may need grunt-labor! |
| 05:23:55 | jacques | aewm needs a 2 line patch so that button 1 is move/resize |
| 05:24:03 | jacques | pmisfit: yeah, and testing |
| 05:24:53 | TomW | Ok, let me get started: rename the current buildroot-tux to buildroot-tux.Apr25, then pull down a new copy from cvs and start building from there. |
| 05:25:20 | jacques | cool |
| 05:30:03 | BZFlag | might want to cp sources/dl from the old to the new. ;-) |
| 05:32:04 | TomW | BZFlag: Yeah, I do that with the kernel source, the rest of the stuff I bring in. I don't want any surpises later on. |
| 05:38:33 | jacques | I do it wil everything but daily snaps |
| 05:38:46 | jacques | takes too long to dl much of it |
| 05:39:04 | jacques | kernel 25MB, X 20MB |
| 05:39:41 | jacques | ok it took 2 makefile patches, but I got matchbox to build |
| 05:41:49 | pmisfit | ok, i'll keep an eye on y'all for as long as i can remain conscious... |
| 05:42:29 | jacques | maughty naughty - docs claim matchbox only needs libX11 but it also wants libXpm |
| 05:43:35 | jacques | and the utils need libXext (but that's to be expected) |
| 05:43:38 | pmisfit | goes off to re-attach the mainboard and touchscreen to one of his tuxen. |
| 05:46:35 | jacques | hmm, matchbox is actually rather nicely documented |
| 05:49:47 | TomW | jacques: matchbox compiles now? |
| 05:50:23 | TomW | jacques: Those libs I am putting into the Tux. |
| 05:51:47 | jacques | TomW: yep it compiles fine once I fix the makefiles |
| 05:52:32 | jacques | TomW: yeah libXpm is nice and small and lots of apps want it, so far we have libX11, libXext, and libXpm |
| 05:52:32 | TomW | Tinyx is now building, this makefile will install the libs. |
| 05:57:33 | TomW | jacques: that business about the fonts has me puzzled. The bfdReadFont was declared in bfdreadfont.c, that file was called out in the makefile, but was never compiled. The other files in that dir were compiled into .o objects though. |
| 05:59:05 | TomW | jacques: heh, you have your day-job that you suffer through to get to your night-job (Tux)? Is that how that works? |
| 06:00:14 | jacques | TomW: heh I like my day job but it's been pretty quiet lately |
| 06:01:54 | pmisfit | well, build went swimmingly well. downloading jffs now... |
| 06:02:57 | pmisfit | used to have bfdReadFont problems all the time, but they went away magically in latest cvs |
| 06:03:36 | BZFlag | tinyx.mk presumes /usr/local/... for the toolchain. |
| 06:03:40 | BZFlag | fixing... |
| 06:04:13 | BZFlag | any reason why you are using arm-linux-gcc instead of uclibc gcc ? |
| 06:05:09 | TomW | we should be using arm-uclibc-gcc, at least my compiles were doing so. |
| 06:05:17 | jacques | TomW: I cant find bdfReadFont() defined anywhere |
| 06:05:27 | TomW | the operative work is 'were'.. |
| 06:05:58 | jacques | BZFlag: how recent is your buildroot ? and x config files in sources/dl ? |
| 06:06:01 | BZFlag | mine was trying for... oh. /usr/local/uclibc/arm-linux-gcc I think. |
| 06:06:02 | pmisfit | TomW: /home/nfssucks/cvsbuildroot/build/stage/usr/bin/arm-uclibc-gcc got used. no prob. |
| 06:06:18 | BZFlag | xconfig files changed on the dl site? |
| 06:06:19 | jacques | mine uses /home/packages/tuxscreen/buildroot-tux/build/stage/usr/bin/arm-uclibc-gcc just fine |
| 06:06:24 | jacques | BZFlag: yes |
| 06:06:26 | scanline | is back (gone 02:37:03) |
| 06:06:27 | BZFlag | buildroot is up to date. |
| 06:06:42 | TomW | lib/font/bitmap/bdfread.c:bdfReadFont(FontPtr pFont, FontFilePtr file, |
| 06:06:44 | jacques | BZFlag: reget the x config files host.def cross.def and iPaqwhatever |
| 06:07:04 | KeyserSoze | anyone know how a printf call can print a string that has a few messed up chars before the first char after the "? |
| 06:07:05 | KeyserSoze | i have this: |
| 06:07:05 | KeyserSoze | printf |
| 06:07:05 | KeyserSoze | ("$GPRMC,,A,%d%f,%c,%d%f,%c,,,,,,,CRC\n", |
| 06:07:06 | KeyserSoze | latInt,60.0*(displayLat-(float)lat), northOrSouth, |
| 06:07:08 | KeyserSoze | lonInt,60.0*(displayLon-(float)lon), eastOrWest); |
| 06:07:10 | KeyserSoze | and it prints this: |
| 06:07:12 | KeyserSoze | Ð4@5@$GPRMC,,A,420.000000,N,840.000000,X,,,,,,,CRC |
| 06:07:45 | BZFlag | ahh. |
| 06:08:23 | TomW | BZFlag: yeah, jacques got embarrased by his source, so he had to change it to look more "professional", heh. |
| 06:08:24 | TomW | ducks |
| 06:08:25 | jacques | BZFlag: tinyx.mk should no longer be using /usr/local anything |
| 06:08:41 | jacques | BZFlag: current cvs version works - what did you mean "fixing" ? |
| 06:09:07 | jacques | well easier to see what's going on anyway :-) |
| 06:09:26 | TomW | I changed my patch as well to get rid of FSCKINGXSTUFF .. |
| 06:09:37 | jacques | lol |
| 06:09:52 | TomW | .. it was a state of mind at the time. :-/ |
| 06:10:16 | jacques | pmisfit: unfortunately we are not at liberty to use latest cvs xfree :-( not if we want ts to have any chance of working |
| 06:10:21 | TomW | ok, it built, now to see what it made. |
| 06:10:57 | TomW | jacques: can't we just patch the latest xfree, or is it that they radically changed stuff? |
| 06:11:10 | jacques | TomW: radical deep running changes |
| 06:11:31 | jacques | believe me i have spent about 4-5 days total on just that issue |
| 06:11:32 | TomW | hmm, it ain't broke, so let's fix it syndrome again? |
| 06:11:59 | jacques | i think I see wht they were trying to do, but they just totally dropped the ball on the ts driver |
| 06:12:07 | TomW | too much of that ancient weed being consumed there.. |
| 06:12:16 | | keithp was last seen on #handhelds.org 56 days, 2 hours, 22 minutes and 54 seconds ago, saying: is away: I'm not watching [Thu Feb 28 03:49:22 2002] |
| 06:12:16 | jacques | ibot: seen keithp |
| 06:12:27 | jacques | he's the culprit |
| 06:12:35 | TomW | hmm.. ok |
| 06:13:13 | BZFlag | well, converting sed stuff to perl like other makes anyway. |
| 06:13:30 | BZFlag | adjusted depends so that the dir is not a target (date changes) |
| 06:13:36 | TomW | <sigh> they probably had a very valid reason for changing stuff, like a big company waving money under their noses to "make it better for us". |
| 06:13:40 | BZFlag | added sources to the dir as depends etc. |
| 06:14:10 | pmisfit | jacques: erhm, i meant buildroot-tux cvs, not x cvs. meaning: your latest work from last nite, works fine. sorry. |
| 06:15:00 | jacques | pmisfit: bdftopcf is still not building for me, bu the x build does not stop for those errors :-) |
| 06:15:34 | pmisfit | cool. that's an improvement. |
| 06:15:54 | jacques | i think tom just wants to play with fonts for some reason |
| 06:15:55 | BZFlag | ../../config/cf/linux.cf:209: warning: `XawI18nDefines' redefined |
| 06:15:55 | BZFlag | ../../config/cf/host.def:9: warning: this is the location of the previous definition |
| 06:16:00 | BZFlag | etc |
| 06:16:20 | jacques | lol |
| 06:17:07 | TomW | it looks as if it is failing in the linker, which means that the dependancy for bdfreadfont.c is broken somehow. |
| 06:17:21 | jacques | i wonder why it is considering host previous to linux - hst shold override everything |
| 06:18:10 | jacques | i never got bdftopcf to build for the ipaq against glibc either |
| 06:18:14 | BZFlag | cannot find include file "stddef.h" ? |
| 06:18:18 | jacques | nor xterm |
| 06:18:34 | jacques | but why anybodu would want xterm I cannot fathom |
| 06:19:25 | BZFlag | aterm rocks |
| 06:20:07 | jacques | rxvt |
| 06:21:01 | BZFlag | aterm is smaller and has shaded inherited backgrounds. ;-) |
| 06:21:25 | BZFlag | no to mention shaded inherited scrollbars. |
| 06:21:29 | BZFlag | er not... |
| 06:22:05 | jacques | smaller? |
| 06:22:13 | TomW | iPAQH3600.cf defines KDriveXServer to YES, that is blocking the build of the bdfread.c source which contains bdfReadFont. What is that KDriveXServer define supposed to mean? |
| 06:22:26 | jacques | kdrive |
| 06:22:30 | TomW | ? |
| 06:22:30 | jacques | keith's driver |
| 06:22:34 | jacques | leith packard |
| 06:22:36 | jacques | keithp |
| 06:22:44 | BZFlag | hmm... looks like smaller is no longer true. |
| 06:22:58 | BZFlag | my aterm is now about the same as my rxvt-xpm |
| 06:23:07 | jacques | kdrive aka tinyx |
| 06:23:18 | TomW | Hey, he probably didn't have the room to have fonts on his IPAQ so he disabled them? |
| 06:23:36 | jacques | ipaqs have more room than tuxscreens |
| 06:24:01 | jacques | TomW: I built bdfread.c and remade the .a lib |
| 06:24:08 | jacques | but it opens up a bigger can of worms |
| 06:24:24 | jacques | ../../exports/lib/libXfont.a(bdfread.o): In function `bdfReadBitmap': |
| 06:24:24 | jacques | bdfread.o(.text+0x1e0): undefined reference to `bdfError' |
| 06:24:24 | jacques | bdfread.o(.text+0x218): undefined reference to `bdfHexByte' |
| 06:24:24 | jacques | bdfread.o(.text+0x2f4): undefined reference to `bdfGetLine' |
| 06:24:27 | jacques | etc etc etc etc |
| 06:25:01 | BZFlag | can rxvt shade the inherited pixmap? |
| 06:25:37 | jacques | TomW: WOW I found it! |
| 06:26:22 | jacques | TomW: ok xc-011010/lib/font/bitmap : make bdfread.o && make bdfutils.o |
| 06:26:30 | | okay, TomW. |
| 06:26:30 | TomW | Yes, it is also because bdfutils.c is also not being compiled as well. |
| 06:26:46 | | TomW, I didn't have anything matching 'yes' |
| 06:26:46 | TomW | ibot forget Yes |
| 06:26:52 | jacques | TomW: then do a make in xc-011010/programs/bdftopcf |
| 06:27:21 | jacques | BZFlag: i dont use background pixmaps in my terms |
| 06:27:32 | jacques | BZFlag: i like to be able to read them :-) |
| 06:27:32 | TomW | No, we remove the bracketing #ifndef KDriveXServer from libs/font/bitmap/Imakefile |
| 06:27:41 | BZFlag | jacques: hence my shading them. |
| 06:28:00 | BZFlag | I make them like 80% dark so I can barely see the image behind. |
| 06:28:07 | BZFlag | still very readable. |
| 06:28:20 | jacques | TomW: well as long as we dont do anything that screws up other parts of the build (which that does not sound like it will) |
| 06:31:20 | jacques | TomW: there is a lot of cruft still in those 3 x config files - problem is they are not well documented anywhere and were arrived at almost trial and error |
| 06:31:30 | jacques | TomW: they are likely not optimal at all |
| 06:31:59 | TomW | Ok, I have commited the tinyx.mk to cvs, this will copy the X11 libs into root/usr/lib |
| 06:32:08 | TomW | Now to look at that font business... |
| 06:32:41 | TomW | jacques: it probably will screw something up, Murphey Law or something like that. |
| 06:34:07 | jacques | thinks TomW is obsessed with fonts. |
| 06:35:04 | pmisfit | jacques: fonts can be cool... http://fonts.tom7.com/fonts98.html |
| 06:36:08 | BZFlag | commits tinyx.mk as well. |
| 06:36:16 | jacques | here are the other programs which are not built due to errors: xedit xgc xload xrx xterm |
| 06:36:23 | jacques | but i dont think we need any of them |
| 06:36:53 | jacques | two tinyx.mk commits ? did they reconcile? |
| 06:43:40 | TomW | BZFlag: I like the perl stuff, nice touch, I have never used perl that way. Why did you need the -P (C preprocessor) option? |
| 06:43:51 | pmisfit | finishses flashing ramdisk... reboots... all is well. |
| 06:45:42 | BZFlag | -P ? /me does not recall adding a -P |
| 06:46:15 | TomW | jacques: hey, don't we need some kind of various font sizes for programs to use. IMO, we would end up with everything one point size, eh? |
| 06:46:51 | TomW | BZFlag: my misread, let me check on -p (not -P). |
| 06:46:54 | jacques | TomW: I think there are at least three sizes builtin :-) |
| 06:47:33 | pmisfit | uses "Small" for normal work, and "Unreadable" for compiles |
| 06:47:50 | BZFlag | ah, yeah. -p puts a simple read loop around the search. |
| 06:49:50 | jacques | madonna% xlsfonts -display 192.168.1.101:0 |
| 06:49:50 | jacques | -misc-fixed-medium-r-normal--7-50-100-100-c-50-iso8859-1 |
| 06:49:50 | jacques | -misc-fixed-medium-r-normal--7-70-75-75-c-50-iso8859-1 |
| 06:49:51 | jacques | -misc-fixed-medium-r-normal--8-60-100-100-c-50-iso8859-1 |
| 06:49:51 | jacques | -misc-fixed-medium-r-normal--8-80-75-75-c-50-iso646.1991-irv |
| 06:49:57 | jacques | -misc-fixed-medium-r-normal--8-80-75-75-c-50-iso8859-1 |
| 06:49:57 | jacques | -misc-fixed-medium-r-semicondensed--13-100-100-100-c-60-iso8859-1 |
| 06:49:57 | jacques | -misc-fixed-medium-r-semicondensed--13-120-75-75-c-60-iso8859-1 |
| 06:49:57 | jacques | 5x7 |
| 06:49:59 | jacques | 5x8 |
| 06:50:02 | jacques | 6x13 |
| 06:50:04 | jacques | cursor |
| 06:50:06 | jacques | fixed |
| 06:50:08 | jacques | (sorry) |
| 06:50:27 | jacques | as I said - three sizes :-D |
| 06:53:47 | TomW | jacques: ok, I admit it, it is a non-issue (for now), let's move on. |
| 06:56:02 | BZFlag | does this tinyx support remote connections? remote font servers? |
| 06:56:22 | jacques | BZFlag: remote connections? |
| 06:56:52 | jacques | BZFlag: X is not X if it does not support displaying remote apps |
| 06:56:57 | BZFlag | with tinyx you can turn off tcp support and support only unix pipes if you choose. |
| 06:57:05 | jacques | ww did now know that |
| 06:57:13 | jacques | this one definitely supports remote connections |
| 06:57:23 | TomW | jacques: you have DCC there? |
| 06:57:25 | BZFlag | cool. |
| 06:57:25 | jacques | i have been doing it for years |
| 06:57:43 | jacques | AAMOF I am running apps on one tux displayed to another |
| 06:57:45 | BZFlag | jacques: it's just a compile option to turn it off. |
| 06:57:54 | jacques | BZFlag: well I just learned something then |
| 06:58:14 | jacques | TomW: nope, DCC does not seem to work for me here (at work) or at home |
| 06:58:24 | jacques | TomW: what's up? |
| 06:58:38 | BZFlag | the tcp layer adds significant size so for a settop box or similar pipe only can cut size. |
| 06:59:02 | TomW | I just did a list of apps that it has compiled, I wanted your opinion on what to install. |
| 06:59:14 | jacques | yeah that makes sense, settop box would probbaly not generally need that functionality |
| 06:59:26 | BZFlag | do for the tux I view it as a cheap x-terminal so remote is critical. ;-) |
| 06:59:28 | jacques | TomW: private channel ? |
| 06:59:45 | BZFlag | jacques: you tellin' me to shut up? ;-) |
| 07:00:05 | jacques | BZFlag: noo I think TomW wants to send me a long list and does not want to spam this channel |
| 07:00:56 | jacques | BZFlag: did you see my latest screen shot ? |
| 07:02:00 | jacques | BZFlag: (et al) http://intimate.handhelds.org/jacques/aewm2.jpg |
| 07:04:09 | BZFlag | jacques: sweet! |
| 07:04:44 | BZFlag | jacques: I assume only rxvt is actually on the tux, yes? |
| 07:05:06 | jacques | BZFlag: agendaroids and nixieclock are running from the other tux - everything else is local to that tux |
| 07:05:41 | jacques | oops, maybe not oclock |
| 07:05:48 | jacques | tho it's built |
| 07:06:07 | jacques | rxvt, aewm |
| 07:06:48 | BZFlag | so what's left with X, a rxvt, wm, all in flash? |
| 07:06:59 | jacques | checking |
| 07:07:37 | TomW | BZFlag: just do a startx |
| 07:07:38 | BZFlag | got to get that kernel from jffs2 code working and in buildroot. get us a bit more flash. |
| 07:07:57 | BZFlag | TomW: not there yet, converting to uClibc snapshot now. |
| 07:08:05 | TomW | k |
| 07:08:30 | jacques | /dev/mtdblock2 3072 2392 680 78% / |
| 07:08:58 | jacques | thats with Xfbdev, libX11, libXext, libXpm |
| 07:09:02 | jacques | and these X apps |
| 07:09:05 | jacques | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 21352 Apr 24 11:23 aewm |
| 07:09:05 | jacques | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 17408 Apr 24 11:01 evilwm |
| 07:09:05 | jacques | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 38520 Apr 24 10:31 matchbox |
| 07:09:05 | jacques | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 77568 Apr 24 08:09 rxvt |
| 07:09:05 | jacques | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 18856 Apr 24 10:11 sWM |
| 07:09:32 | BZFlag | sweet. |
| 07:09:55 | jacques | # ls -l /usr/lib |
| 07:09:55 | jacques | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 Apr 24 08:08 libX11.so.6 -> libX11.s2 |
| 07:09:55 | jacques | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 816152 Apr 24 08:09 libX11.so.6.2 |
| 07:09:55 | jacques | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 14 Apr 24 08:08 libXext.so.6 -> libXext4 |
| 07:09:55 | jacques | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 51672 Apr 24 08:09 libXext.so.6.4 |
| 07:09:56 | jacques | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 14 Jan 24 1970 libXpm.so.4 -> libXpm.s1 |
| 07:09:58 | jacques | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 54700 Apr 24 10:04 libXpm.so.4.11 |
| 07:10:11 | jacques | oops linwrap was off in minicom |
| 07:10:17 | jacques | but you get the idea |
| 07:13:12 | jacques | if I remove the extra wm's we got > 700lB free |
| 07:13:35 | jacques | kB |
| 07:14:15 | jacques | TomW: I personally like to have xset, xsetroot, xdpyinfo |
| 07:14:44 | jacques | depending on if/what type of client authentication ppl want to use, they may need xauth, xhost |
| 07:15:15 | jacques | xlsfonts is useful |
| 07:16:12 | jacques | and xrandr if ppl want to play with rotating the screen (which should work fine with matchbox) |
| 07:16:34 | TomW | jacques: edit the list and send it back then, I will process the list and include it in the tinyx.mk stuff. |
| 07:16:52 | jacques | TomW: ok |
| 07:17:41 | jacques | some crazy ppl may want xdm |
| 07:17:46 | jacques | but they are on their own |
| 07:17:48 | jacques | :-D |
| 07:17:59 | TomW | jacques: to me, X is just something to run KDE on. I have no experience with tinyx (embedded X). |
| 07:18:29 | TomW | I can put the xdm in as a selectable option. |
| 07:18:36 | jacques | BZFlag: how do you feel about xmodmap ? |
| 07:18:43 | pmisfit | finishes re-assembling his tux |
| 07:19:01 | pmisfit | i have the deepest sympathy for those poor mexicans who worked 18 hours assembling these things. |
| 07:19:16 | BZFlag | jacques: why would you want it? |
| 07:19:46 | TomW | pmisfit: any screws left over? ;-) |
| 07:19:54 | BZFlag | xlsfonts could be run remotely. |
| 07:20:08 | BZFlag | xhost xauth take priority in my book. |
| 07:20:09 | pmisfit | TomW: whole drawer full of 'em ;-) |
| 07:21:35 | TomW | pmisfit: ... lots of 'em eh? you take stuff apart all the time, do you? |
| 07:21:43 | TomW | ROTFL |
| 07:22:05 | TomW | belly hurts |
| 07:22:07 | pmisfit | has been found out. |
| 07:22:33 | TomW | roars with new waves of laughter. |
| 07:23:40 | TomW | pmisfit: my nephew is that way, he likes to take stuff apart, examine it, then maybe put it back together. Mike is 16 |
| 07:23:52 | pmisfit | TomW: tell me you don't have a drawer like that too.... mr. tux perf board... ;-) |
| 07:24:40 | jacques | TomW: I sent the file back with my preferences |
| 07:25:02 | TomW | pmisfit: I have lots of parts here, most of them were purchased.. I went through my stockpile a few years ago and filled *many* boxes with shit^H^H^H^H stuff that was just sitting here. |
| 07:25:19 | TomW | jacques: k |
| 07:25:35 | pmisfit | TomW: i've been taking things apart for roughly 35 years. |
| 07:25:39 | jacques | TomW: but actually I only want xset |
| 07:25:48 | jacques | depends on how much space they all take |
| 07:25:58 | pmisfit | TomW: still haven't gotten that good at putting 'em back together again. ;-) |
| 07:26:03 | TomW | jacques: no oclock? |
| 07:26:05 | jacques | BZFlag: i dunno I have never used xmodmap but I thought some ppl found it necesary |
| 07:26:13 | jacques | TomW: heh I have othre plans for clocks |
| 07:26:20 | pmisfit | prepares to launch Xfbdev |
| 07:26:21 | TomW | k |
| 07:26:46 | jacques | TomW: bear in mind - as long as we have -ac arg to Xfbdev in startx, that disables access control |
| 07:26:55 | jacques | i.e. xhost and xauth |
| 07:27:43 | jacques | xrdb will probably become necessary at some point as ppl start making resource files |
| 07:28:41 | TomW | jacques: ok. You know what I would really like to do? I have a linux box tied into an overhead video projector at the school. Can I export a copy of the Tux desktop to my linux box (X session) then the students can see what I am doing in realtime? |
| 07:29:23 | TomW | jacques: just a thought. |
| 07:29:27 | | i guess x2x is sharing xinput devices between x servers or http://gatekeeper.dec.com/pub/DEC/SRC/x2x/ |
| 07:29:27 | jacques | x2x ? |
| 07:29:53 | TomW | Is that what it is called? X2X? |
| 07:30:20 | jacques | oclock wants libXt - ugh! not worth it |
| 07:30:34 | jacques | I have never used it but some ppl swear by it |
| 07:30:54 | TomW | libXt is already loaded in root/usr/lib. |
| 07:30:59 | jacques | hmm but I dont know if it exports the display... |
| 07:31:09 | jacques | TomW: I dont want libXt - it's 900k! |
| 07:31:19 | TomW | ... ok, so? |
| 07:31:29 | jacques | it's huge, it's deprecated |
| 07:31:35 | jacques | we are running out of space |
| 07:31:50 | TomW | It'll give 'em somthing to get rid of. ;-) |
| 07:32:00 | jacques | heh |
| 07:32:11 | jacques | TomW: maybe vnc is more wht you want |
| 07:32:18 | | vnc is virtual network computing (see http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/). It runs on the iPAQ with fbvnc at http://www.w-m-p.com/ipaq/fbvnc.html |
| 07:32:18 | jacques | ibot: vnc? |
| 07:32:32 | TomW | Yes, forgot abt vnc. tnx |
| 07:32:49 | jacques | TomW: are the installed libs and apps configurable? |
| 07:32:51 | TomW | Ok, let's just 'go for it' for now, we can strip later. |
| 07:33:06 | TomW | No, the libs are not. |
| 07:33:46 | jacques | how about making deps for the apps - if you dont want any apps that need libXt, it does not get installde ? |
| 07:34:12 | jacques | TomW: how big is the root image that is making? |
| 07:35:42 | pmisfit | goes looking for 2 working aaa batteries for the keyboard... |
| 07:44:43 | TomW | -rw-r--r-- 1 tom tom 2490368 Apr 25 03:47 tuxscreen-image.jffs2 |
| 07:44:43 | TomW | -rwxr-xr-x 1 tom tom 829500 Apr 25 01:44 tuxscreen-kernel* |
| 07:44:56 | TomW | jacques: going to be interesting... |
| 07:46:27 | jacques | heh |
| 07:46:38 | pmisfit | that's insane |
| 07:46:56 | pmisfit | has a nice blue screen with an "X" in the center of it. |
| 07:47:11 | jacques | pmisfit: ??? |
| 07:47:21 | TomW | ?? I have compact flash which is 48Meg and I have a 10G IDE drive that I *may* get working in my Tux. |
| 07:47:40 | pmisfit | jacques: and the X follows the stylus... cool... |
| 07:47:53 | jacques | that big X thing sounds familiar to me |
| 07:48:02 | TomW | pmisfit: did you use startx? |
| 07:48:02 | jacques | oooh you mean the cursor |
| 07:48:10 | pmisfit | heh |
| 07:48:23 | pmisfit | yep. Xfbdev is working. rxvt is not... yet... |
| 07:48:29 | jacques | pmisfit: if you ran startx you should also have rxvt terminal up |
| 07:48:39 | pmisfit | i did in fact run startx. |
| 07:48:47 | jacques | i think we may beed that sleep in there TomW |
| 07:48:51 | TomW | jacques: I don't have sleep in that script. |
| 07:48:54 | TomW | yup |
| 07:49:10 | TomW | sleep 1 ? |
| 07:49:10 | jacques | sleep 5 should be enough, maybe even sleep 2, dunno |
| 07:49:13 | pmisfit | /mnt/kens/ki/is/embedded/tuxscreen/cvsbuildroot/build/stage/bin/ldd rxvt |
| 07:49:13 | pmisfit | libX11.so.6 => not found |
| 07:49:13 | pmisfit | libc.so.0 => /home/nfssucks/cvsbuildroot/build/stage/lib/libc.so.0 |
| 07:49:13 | pmisfit | /lib/ld-uClibc.so.0 => /lib/ld-uClibc.so.0 |
| 07:49:29 | jacques | aah where is libX11 ? |
| 07:49:38 | jacques | pmisfit: ls /usr/lib |
| 07:49:39 | pmisfit | digs around in root and build/stage |
| 07:49:58 | TomW | pmisfit: ok, you have the early tinyx.mk script. Get the latest script off cvs, then do a "make tinyx-libs" |
| 07:50:49 | TomW | pmisfit: ... then do a "make jffs2root" to rebuild the tuxscreen-image.jffs file, flash that ramdisk and you'll have the libs. |
| 07:50:53 | pmisfit | i am running last night's tinyx.mk script. will update. |
| 07:53:08 | pmisfit | cool. just did some DISPLAY=tuxscreen:0.0 fun, launching apps on the Xfbdev. looks good. |
| 07:53:29 | jacques | heh last night I had forgotten I set DISPLAY in one shell |
| 07:53:39 | jacques | i started running stuff like xchat, gaim, galeon |
| 07:53:46 | jacques | and wondering why they didnt pop up |
| 07:53:52 | jacques | guess where they were going |
| 07:54:18 | pmisfit | heh heh. yep. always fun. |
| 07:54:42 | pmisfit | interestingly, my cursor has disappeared. hmm. |
| 07:55:14 | jacques | ? |
| 07:55:29 | pmisfit | seriously. bizarre. |
| 07:55:39 | jacques | i havent seen that happen - what happens when you touch the screen? |
| 07:55:49 | pmisfit | nothing happens. |
| 07:55:56 | jacques | are you running something that grabbed the cursor? |
| 07:56:00 | jacques | did the server hang? |
| 07:56:25 | pmisfit | system seems ok. how do i knwo if the xserver is alive? |
| 07:56:45 | pmisfit | hmm. it does seem dead. no apps are launchign on it anymore. |
| 07:56:50 | jacques | dsplay another app ? |
| 07:56:56 | jacques | maybe it ran out of ram or something.... |
| 07:57:06 | pmisfit | total: used: free: shared: buffers: cached: |
| 07:57:06 | pmisfit | Mem: 14528512 5783552 8744960 0 4096 2150400 |
| 07:57:35 | jacques | I have been running agendaroids remotely to my tux for almost 24 hours now - it's still going |
| 07:57:52 | pmisfit | i'm going to kill Xfbdev and restart it. |
| 07:58:00 | jacques | but I have managed to get the server to lock with certain modes in xscreensaver |
| 07:58:12 | jacques | I think there is a way for a remote client to hang it |
| 07:58:33 | BZFlag | rm -rf root;make tinyx rebuilds rxvt |
| 07:59:15 | jacques | pmisfit: what apps were you displaying ? |
| 07:59:18 | pmisfit | if you gentlemen are at a natural stopping point, i'll nuke everyhting, cvs update, and build from scratch |
| 07:59:42 | pmisfit | 1 export DISPLAY=wheatiestux:0.0 |
| 07:59:42 | pmisfit | 2 xclock |
| 07:59:42 | pmisfit | 3 xterm |
| 07:59:43 | pmisfit | 4 l *.jpg |
| 07:59:43 | pmisfit | 5 qiv shawk* |
| 07:59:44 | pmisfit | 6 xclock |
| 07:59:53 | pmisfit | xterm killed it |
| 08:00:08 | pmisfit | i killed xclock before launching xterm |
| 08:00:52 | TomW | jacques: sleep 5. |
| 08:01:19 | jacques | TomW: sounds fine to me |
| 08:01:52 | TomW | #!/bin/sh |
| 08:01:52 | TomW | sleep 5 |
| 08:02:00 | TomW | shit |
| 08:02:07 | jacques | heh slashes |
| 08:02:07 | pmisfit | ok.. i killed Xfbdev, then ran startx from the serial terminal, and everything came up, rxvt, gray background. tis all good |
| 08:02:40 | TomW | #!/bin/sh |
| 08:02:41 | TomW | /usr/X11R6/bin/Xfbdev -ac & |
| 08:02:41 | TomW | sleep 5 |
| 08:02:41 | TomW | /usr/X11R6/bin/rxvt -geometry +20+30 -display :0 & |
| 08:02:41 | TomW | /usr/X11R6/bin/oclock -geometry 80x80+540+20 -display :0 & |
| 08:02:42 | TomW | /usr/X11R6/bin/xeyes -geometry 75x40+420+400 -display :0 & |
| 08:03:05 | jacques | cool, only thing missing is a wm |
| 08:03:10 | TomW | yes! |
| 08:03:19 | pmisfit | jacques: problem is repeateable |
| 08:03:26 | jacques | i am going to head home so I can test matchbox |
| 08:03:31 | jacques | pmisfit: with xterm? |
| 08:03:55 | pmisfit | with blue/black screen and disappearing cursor |
| 08:04:10 | pmisfit | launch startx from tty1, get blue/black screen and vanishing cursor |
| 08:04:31 | pmisfit | launch startx from ttySA0, and all is good: gray screen, cursor is ok. |
| 08:05:10 | pmisfit | i'm still going to nuke everything and start over tho, with your latest. |
| 08:06:30 | pmisfit | nice work. very impressive. |
| 08:07:26 | TomW | HEY! jacques, that is what happened to me! |
| 08:07:36 | jacques | hmm I havent actually tried launching from tty1 |
| 08:07:47 | jacques | hmm |
| 08:08:43 | jacques | maybe xserver and something else are fighting over that console |
| 08:08:54 | TomW | launch it from the IR kbd, it comes up as blue, same as I saw before. |
| 08:11:44 | jacques | im sure someone here will know what's going on with that |
| 08:11:54 | jacques | either BZFlag or andersee or someone |
| 08:12:23 | jacques | ok heaing home - back shortly |
| 08:13:49 | pmisfit | thinks the odds are that jacques or tomw will figure it out before bzflag and andersee ;-) |
| 08:15:48 | BZFlag | hmm. we saw that with microwindows early on. don't recall what caused it. |
| 08:25:12 | TomW | BZFlag: I'm learning here, why did you add the dependancy for $(TINYX_DIR)/.configure ? |
| 08:26:43 | fontenot | home |
| 08:34:20 | | Test Successful! |
| 08:34:20 | fontenot | ibot: test |
| 08:39:39 | | mallum was last seen on #handhelds.org 14 hours, 30 minutes and 40 seconds ago, saying: jg: I think its all hidden away is the vesa drivers, chips seems to be using code from there to init colors etc [Wed Apr 24 19:08:59 2002] |
| 08:39:39 | fontenot | ibot: seen mallum |
| 08:39:42 | TomW | BZFlag: it behaves fine without that, that must have been some problem specific to microwindows. |
| 08:39:45 | fontenot | i need mallum |
| 08:39:59 | fontenot | matchbox is behaving badly |
| 08:43:40 | TomW | BZFlag: Ok, I see what you did now. I got confused by the tinyx-defs & tinyx-source rules still there, but being dead rules. |
| 08:43:41 | fontenot | i say we go with aewm for now |
| 08:44:06 | pmisfit | ok gentlemen, i'm turning in. i'll catch up tomorrow morning. |
| 08:44:09 | pmisfit | 'night |
| 08:44:30 | pmisfit | is away: zzzzzz |
| 08:44:38 | TomW | fontenot: I have to merge my changes in with what BZFlag did to the makefile. This is the firs time I have worked CVS in a multi-commit situation, so this is slowing me down a bit. |
| 08:44:56 | TomW | fontenot: good experience though. |
| 08:45:23 | TomW | looks for his pipe |
| 08:46:01 | fontenot | TomW: yeah I've never done that |
| 08:46:24 | TomW | fontenot: well... climb right in my boy! |
| 08:47:13 | TomW | fontenot: your next job may require cvs working knowledge? |
| 08:47:23 | fontenot | heh my current one does |
| 08:47:29 | fontenot | i know how to chech things out :-) |
| 08:47:49 | fontenot | last time I used cvs to checkin was when I was a programmer in 94 |
| 08:48:02 | fontenot | i forget things i dont use for years |
| 08:48:03 | TomW | oh! so that is why the midnight shift? less conflict resolution to deal with when commiting changes? |
| 08:48:10 | fontenot | lol |
| 08:52:20 | BZFlag | TomW: directories change date whenever anything in them is touched. |
| 08:52:36 | BZFlag | so directories make poor make depends. |
| 08:52:49 | BZFlag | so we touch a file instead as that will not change date. |
| 08:54:18 | TomW | BZFlag: tnx. |
| 08:54:45 | BZFlag | sure. thank you all for the work! xterminal in 4M flash is cool. |
| 09:26:45 | ctr | is away: shower |
| 09:38:57 | ctr | is back (gone 00:12:11) |
| 09:39:33 | TomW | ctr: wow! a quick walk through the waterfall! |
| 09:40:01 | | hmmm... there is not here |
| 09:40:01 | TomW | fontenot: still there? |
| 09:40:18 | TomW | here |
| 09:40:20 | TomW | there |
| 09:40:24 | TomW | hmmm |
| 09:40:37 | ctr | hehe |
| 09:40:43 | ctr | i'm not dressed |
| 09:40:52 | | ...but ibot is <reply> ibot is God.... |
| 09:40:52 | TomW | Ibot, you are stupid |
| 09:41:04 | | TomW: I forgot ibot |
| 09:41:04 | TomW | ibot forget ibot |
| 09:41:13 | | OK, TomW. |
| 09:41:13 | TomW | ibot, reply I am a weenie |
| 09:41:16 | | yes, TomW? |
| 09:41:16 | TomW | ibot? |
| 09:41:23 | | i don't know, tomw |
| 09:41:23 | TomW | ibot, ibot? |
| 09:41:27 | TomW | hm |
| 09:41:46 | | somebody said ctr was really boris in disguise |
| 09:41:46 | ctr | ctr? |
| 09:41:50 | | boris is, like, not going to sit and write software i am not interested in, in boris's spare time, to make people happy |
| 09:41:50 | ctr | boris? |
| 09:43:36 | fontenot | TomW: yep |
| 09:44:06 | | TomW? |
| 09:44:06 | TomW | ibot? |
| 09:44:50 | TomW | fontenot: daylight here.. BZFlag messed something up the tinyx.mk file, I am trying to get it to compile again. |
| 09:44:54 | TomW | :-< |
| 09:45:08 | scanline | I feel a lack of curly brakets! I'm about to go mad... |
| 09:45:15 | scanline | <--- C programmer trying to grok VHDL |
| 09:46:40 | fontenot | TomW: hmm :-\ |
| 09:46:47 | fontenot | i was afraid of that |
| 09:47:14 | TomW | fontenot: found it. |
| 09:47:53 | TomW | what are you working on? colors or wm? |
| 09:49:21 | titus | Night, all :-) |
| 09:52:24 | | matchbox is a X11 window manager for handheld devices. Info, screenshots & downloadable at http://handhelds.org/~mallum/matchbox . Ipkg is in the familiar unstable feed. Development versions and other goodies at http://handhelds.org/~mallum/downloadables/ |
| 09:52:24 | TomW | ibot, matchbox |
| 09:52:48 | fontenot | TomW: I was trying to figure out why matchbox complains abot mot being able to find the xpms it needs even tho they are exactly where it says they arent |
| 09:53:29 | fontenot | TomW: i think we should get aewm working first |
| 09:53:32 | fontenot | it's easy |
| 09:53:38 | fontenot | relatively |
| 09:54:28 | TomW | k, that is what I figure, maybe someone with more sacktime (sleep) will know why it does that. |
| 09:59:09 | fontenot | +++ events.c Thu Apr 25 03:00:49 2002 |
| 09:59:09 | fontenot | @@ -91,9 +91,9 @@ |
| 09:59:09 | fontenot | in_box = (e->x >= c->width - theight(c)) && (e->y <= theight(c)); |
| 09:59:09 | fontenot | switch (e->button) { |
| 09:59:10 | fontenot | case Button1: |
| 09:59:12 | fontenot | - in_box ? hide(c) : raise_win(c); break; |
| 09:59:14 | fontenot | - case Button2: |
| 09:59:16 | fontenot | in_box ? resize(c) : move(c); break; |
| 09:59:18 | fontenot | + case Button2: |
| 09:59:20 | fontenot | + in_box ? hide(c) : raise_win(c); break; |
| 09:59:22 | fontenot | case Button3: |
| 09:59:26 | fontenot | in_box ? send_wm_delete(c) : lower_win(c); break; |
| 09:59:28 | fontenot | } |
| 09:59:30 | fontenot | that's the patch to aewm - let me find the source location again |
| 09:59:59 | fontenot | http://www.red-bean.com/~decklin/aewm/aewm-1.2.0.tar.gz |
| 10:00:33 | | TomW: huh? |
| 10:00:33 | TomW | ibot, aewm |
| 10:00:41 | fontenot | the only other things that need to be done are CC and XROOT in the makefile |
| 10:00:43 | | wish i knew, tomw |
| 10:00:43 | TomW | ibot, aewm? |
| 10:02:00 | fontenot | hmm i forgot there is a clients dir(which we dont need) which does not want to build |
| 10:02:07 | TomW | Are you going to use aewm for the wm? |
| 10:02:44 | fontenot | ah, we can just do make aewm |
| 10:02:50 | fontenot | then it does not try to build the clients |
| 10:03:00 | fontenot | nothing that sawys we can only have one wm |
| 10:03:11 | fontenot | at least i know aewm builds and runs |
| 10:03:14 | fontenot | unlike matchbox |
| 10:03:18 | TomW | oh |
| 10:03:56 | TomW | I like the look of matchbox, nice decorations on the windows (button widgets), too bad it won't build. |
| 10:04:01 | fontenot | then touch /etc/X11/aewm/aewmrc |
| 10:04:04 | fontenot | it builds fine now |
| 10:04:08 | fontenot | it just wont run |
| 10:04:14 | fontenot | complains about missing files which are there |
| 10:04:29 | TomW | matchbox complains? |
| 10:04:32 | fontenot | those fancy decorations are all xpms |
| 10:04:34 | fontenot | yes |
| 10:04:42 | fontenot | and it exits |
| 10:05:13 | fontenot | # ./matchbox |
| 10:05:13 | fontenot | font -*-fixed-medium-r-normal-*-*-100-*-*-*-*-*-* not found, trying fixed |
| 10:05:13 | fontenot | theme: failed loading image '/usr/local/share/matchbox/themes/prev.xpm' |
| 10:05:13 | fontenot | # ls -l /usr/local/share/matchbox/themes/prev.xpm |
| 10:05:13 | fontenot | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 352 Apr 25 2002 /usr/local/share/matchbo |
| 10:05:14 | fontenot | x/themes/prev.xpm |
| 10:05:35 | fontenot | ah I just noticed it says failed LOADING image |
| 10:05:55 | fontenot | dunno why that would be unless libXpm was screwed |
| 10:06:13 | fontenot | HEH I bet matchbox assumes truecolor display or something |
| 10:06:25 | fontenot | it was written for ipaq which is 16bpp |
| 10:06:33 | fontenot | i bet it does not know how to handle 8bpp |
| 10:06:56 | fontenot | too bad no strace on tuxscreen |
| 10:08:42 | fontenot | im going to look at the source |
| 10:13:35 | TomW | more errors in the tinyx.mk, I had to manipulate the makefile to get it complete. I have an image, but it wasn't built from a straight-shot make. :-( more time lost... |
| 10:17:12 | fontenot | arg |
| 10:18:13 | TomW | 16bpp ? |
| 10:20:56 | fontenot | display bit depth |
| 10:21:03 | fontenot | 16 bits per pixel |
| 10:21:35 | TomW | well... it was pretty looking, wasn't it? |
| 10:22:39 | fontenot | well im sure if i talk to mallum we can get it all fixed |
| 10:22:47 | TomW | goes for fresh tobacco |
| 10:22:53 | fontenot | but I dont know when he'll be back and I dont like to be without a wm |
| 10:23:00 | | mallum was last seen on #handhelds.org 16 hours, 14 minutes and 1 seconds ago, saying: jg: I think its all hidden away is the vesa drivers, chips seems to be using code from there to init colors etc [Wed Apr 24 19:08:59 2002] |
| 10:23:00 | fontenot | ibot: seen mallum |
| 10:23:45 | file | hi all! |
| 10:23:58 | fontenot | TomW: aha! |
| 10:24:08 | fontenot | #define XpmColorError 1 |
| 10:24:15 | fontenot | that's the error it's returning |
| 10:24:34 | fontenot | it appears to be as I suspected |
| 10:24:41 | fontenot | hi file |
| 10:24:44 | file | clarify. |
| 10:24:47 | file | g'day |
| 10:24:58 | fontenot | file: ? |
| 10:25:11 | file | what did you suspect? |
| 10:25:31 | fontenot | file: I think matchbox is not working on tuxscreen because it does not know how to handle 8bit displays |
| 10:26:13 | file | I see |
| 10:26:57 | TomW | fontenot: ok, tinyx compiles through now, I am uploading for final test. Then I will be ready for the wm. |
| 10:27:07 | file | TinyX is fun |
| 10:27:18 | TomW | waves at file |
| 10:27:32 | file | waves to TomW |
| 10:29:04 | file | pokes fontenot and TomW |
| 10:29:08 | file | I just had to |
| 10:37:41 | fontenot | #define XpmColorFailed -4 |
| 10:37:57 | fontenot | it's trying to allocate a color that it cannot get and it bails |
| 10:38:19 | TomW | fontenot: ok, tinyx changes have been commited. |
| 10:39:01 | fontenot | TomW: cool - do they work :-) |
| 10:39:17 | fontenot | arg i wish I had documentation on libxpm |
| 10:39:33 | fontenot | searching google |
| 10:40:19 | fontenot | ive had these sorts of problems before with libxpm |
| 10:42:54 | TomW | fontenot: yes, they work. and ... to make sure, I grabbed a fresh copy of buildroot-tux and it is building again. Never assume... |
| 10:43:47 | fontenot | yep :-) |
| 10:43:59 | TomW | fontenot: all you'll need is the tinyx.mk and the tinyx-011010.patch files. |
| 10:45:04 | file | must go to school |
| 10:48:47 | fontenot | google not helpful |
| 10:50:35 | fontenot | aha |
| 10:50:41 | fontenot | some of this is coming back to me |
| 10:51:10 | fontenot | need to pass the xpm calls a colormap |
| 10:51:20 | fontenot | on mapped display |
| 10:51:24 | TomW | aewm is only a 36k tarball |
| 10:51:26 | TomW | ? |
| 10:51:41 | fontenot | instead of something like this: attrib.valuemask = 0; /* TODO: improve */ |
| 10:51:44 | fontenot | grrrr |
| 10:52:02 | fontenot | -rw-r--r-- 1 fontenot fontenot 36008 Feb 1 13:14 aewm-1.2.0.tar.gz |
| 10:52:10 | fontenot | it's a tiny wm |
| 10:52:25 | fontenot | that even includes a bunch of crap we cant build/dont need |
| 10:52:39 | TomW | heh, that comment was written two years ago? ;) |
| 10:53:32 | fontenot | that comment is in matchbox |
| 10:55:31 | fontenot | too bad mallum isnt here |
| 10:56:29 | fontenot | mallum: do you ahve a few minutes????? |
| 10:56:33 | mallum | hi |
| 10:56:42 | mallum | sorry, on anothere workspace |
| 10:57:11 | fontenot | mallum: have you ever run matchbox on a non-truecolor display? |
| 10:57:20 | mallum | fontenot: yes |
| 10:57:28 | fontenot | 8bit? |
| 10:57:32 | mallum | fontenot: I've run it on a 4 plane vga |
| 10:57:37 | fontenot | aarg |
| 10:57:45 | fontenot | then i am totally confused |
| 10:57:46 | mallum | but it could well be broke |
| 10:57:53 | fontenot | looking at the code I dont see how that could work |
| 10:58:05 | fontenot | you are not passing colormap to your xpm lib calls |
| 10:58:13 | mallum | yep |
| 10:58:18 | mallum | xpm failing ? |
| 10:58:27 | fontenot | XpmAttributes should have a colormap |
| 10:58:32 | fontenot | yes it's failing with color errors |
| 10:58:37 | fontenot | when trying to load the xpms |
| 10:58:38 | mallum | I think it was just fluke it was working on 4 plane |
| 10:59:00 | fontenot | heh what version of libxpm was that? |
| 10:59:01 | mallum | I'll quickly patch it up to work |
| 10:59:20 | fontenot | :-D |
| 10:59:32 | fontenot | need any additional info from me? |
| 10:59:39 | mallum | I wish xpm had man pages ... |
| 10:59:47 | fontenot | ME TOO lol |
| 10:59:58 | mallum | and not a fucking PDF |
| 11:00:05 | fontenot | ive been digging through source and online docs from 1995 - many libXPM versions ago |
| 11:00:25 | mallum | yeah I'll check the headers |
| 11:00:28 | fontenot | oh heh I never dl the pfds anymore - maybe I should for times like this |
| 11:00:47 | fontenot | i mean the pdfs in the xfree source |
| 11:01:10 | mallum | I was just about to play with bochs on ppc |
| 11:01:20 | mallum | fontenot: are you running matchbox from cvs ? |
| 11:01:47 | fontenot | mallum: no, but I would be happy to try it |
| 11:02:08 | fontenot | if you think it is a good idea |
| 11:02:13 | mallum | attrib.valuemask = 0; /* TODO: improve */ |
| 11:02:16 | mallum | :) |
| 11:02:28 | fontenot | lol I pasted that above before you arrived |
| 11:02:40 | mallum | fontenot: yeah run from cvs, its nearly 0.2 |
| 11:02:49 | mallum | theres 1 bug which I need to fix |
| 11:02:56 | fontenot | mallum: OK here i go to cvs checkout |
| 11:03:29 | | i guess matchbox is a X11 window manager for handheld devices. Info, screenshots & downloadable at http://handhelds.org/~mallum/matchbox . Ipkg is in the familiar unstable feed. Development versions and other goodies at http://handhelds.org/~mallum/downloadables/ |
| 11:03:29 | fontenot | ibot: matchbox |
| 11:03:59 | TomW | fontenot: give me the cvs info, I just started working on the aewm.mk, but it sounds like you will be getting matchbox running instead? |
| 11:04:28 | mallum | fontenot: b4 cvs I think this maybe a 1 line fix .... |
| 11:05:00 | TomW | mallum: I would rather that we used matchbox, it is pretty! |
| 11:05:26 | mallum | wonders why he has 2 functions almost the same |
| 11:07:37 | fontenot | heh i wondered that too |
| 11:07:52 | fontenot | TomW: you want cvs info for matchbox ? |
| 11:08:02 | TomW | yup |
| 11:08:17 | fontenot | cvs -d :pserver:anoncvs@cvs.handhelds.org:/cvs login |
| 11:08:18 | fontenot | [anoncvs] |
| 11:08:18 | fontenot | cvs -d :pserver:anoncvs@cvs.handhelds.org:/cvs -z3 co apps/matchbox |
| 11:08:29 | fontenot | hmm i dont remember how to automage the password |
| 11:08:33 | fontenot | automate |
| 11:08:43 | fontenot | anoncvs is the password |
| 11:08:59 | mallum | fontenot: I fixed tinyX with touchscreen BTW :)) |
| 11:09:08 | fontenot | well i think there are already examples in the buildroot makefiles |
| 11:09:11 | TomW | unless they demand ssh for logins (ala' xfree86), we should be able to login. |
| 11:09:15 | fontenot | mallum: on that other platofrm? |
| 11:09:21 | fontenot | mallum: which source tree???? |
| 11:09:34 | fontenot | TomW: they dont demand ssh |
| 11:09:48 | TomW | not if you don't want to automate |
| 11:10:09 | fontenot | TomW: I meant matchbox does not demand it |
| 11:10:23 | TomW | k |
| 11:10:39 | fontenot | TomW: this might be helpful - it was for me: http://www.handhelds.org/handhelds-faq/development.html#USING-CVS |
| 11:11:51 | fontenot | mallum: please remind me how to generate the configure script from the cvs download |
| 11:12:05 | mallum | fontenot: on x86 fujitsu point510 , XChips tinyX server |
| 11:12:21 | mallum | fontenot: cant seem to get the damn thing to do more than 16 col though :( |
| 11:12:31 | mallum | fontenot: anyway my ts driver worked |
| 11:12:48 | mallum | fontenot: so I is elite kernel hacker now ;) |
| 11:13:13 | fontenot | mallum: cool. is this with recent xfree cvs source tree? |
| 11:13:28 | fontenot | mallum: maybe I can use your driver to get tuxscreen ts working with recent source |
| 11:13:55 | fontenot | mallum: aaah you did a kernel driver... hmm I need x driver |
| 11:14:09 | mallum | fontenot: with the tinyX source you gave me |
| 11:14:22 | mallum | fontenot: the kernel driver just supplied /dev/ts |
| 11:14:27 | fontenot | mallum: ah OK |
| 11:14:47 | mallum | fontenot: and it has not buffer, which I think could be bad |
| 11:14:56 | fontenot | mallum: how do I generate the configure script for the cvs matchbox source? |
| 11:15:01 | fontenot | i always forget |
| 11:15:04 | mallum | fontenot: and once you close() /dev/ts it dies |
| 11:15:16 | mallum | fontenot: run autoconfigure.sh twice! |
| 11:15:33 | fontenot | heh i ran it once |
| 11:15:58 | mallum | fontenot: autoconf|make is such a bitch |
| 11:16:59 | fontenot | hmmm it's complaining about no configure.in |
| 11:17:02 | fontenot | which is not there |
| 11:17:29 | fontenot | jacques% sh autoconfigure.sh |
| 11:17:29 | fontenot | autoconf: configure.in: No such file or directory |
| 11:17:29 | fontenot | /usr/bin/m4: configure.in: No such file or directory |
| 11:17:29 | fontenot | automake: configure.ac: installing `./install-sh' |
| 11:17:29 | fontenot | automake: configure.ac: installing `./mkinstalldirs' |
| 11:17:30 | fontenot | automake: configure.ac: installing `./missing' |
| 11:17:32 | fontenot | jacques% sh autoconfigure.sh |
| 11:17:34 | fontenot | autoconf: configure.in: No such file or directory |
| 11:17:36 | fontenot | /usr/bin/m4: configure.in: No such file or directory |
| 11:17:59 | mallum | you running debian ? |
| 11:18:26 | fontenot | nope, redhat 7.2 |
| 11:18:37 | mallum | hereric |
| 11:18:38 | mallum | ;) |
| 11:18:41 | fontenot | but I have done these things before successfully |
| 11:19:21 | mallum | yeah autoconf is so stupid |
| 11:19:39 | mallum | what are your versions of autoconf and automake ? |
| 11:19:58 | fontenot | ln -s configure.sc configure.in |
| 11:20:03 | fontenot | sdkjfsdkjsdfsdksfdlkj |
| 11:20:08 | fontenot | configure.ac |
| 11:20:27 | fontenot | i learned that by looking at my gaim source tree |
| 11:20:49 | fontenot | jacques% autoconf --version |
| 11:20:49 | fontenot | Autoconf version 2.13 |
| 11:20:49 | fontenot | jacques% automake --version |
| 11:20:49 | fontenot | automake (GNU automake) 1.4-p5 |
| 11:22:05 | mallum | my automake is 1.5 |
| 11:22:10 | mallum | that could be the problem |
| 11:22:29 | mallum | they seem to break everything in minor version changes |
| 11:22:40 | fontenot | lol maybe i should upgrade |
| 11:22:50 | mallum | I could do you a 'make dist' of my current source tree and it'll work |
| 11:23:01 | fontenot | ok one thing about the matchbox make process |
| 11:23:04 | mallum | as a tarball ( and ./configure already there ) |
| 11:23:09 | mallum | fontenot: yep ... |
| 11:23:15 | fontenot | when I configure matchbox I do: |
| 11:23:25 | fontenot | ./configure --build=linux-arm --x-includes=/home/packages/tuxscreen/buildroot-tux/build/xc-011010/exports/include --x-libraries=/home/packages/tuxscreen/buildroot-tux/build/xc-011010/exports/lib |
| 11:23:47 | fontenot | yet, the makefiles that get generated dont try to use the xinclude dir - I have to manually patch them |
| 11:24:04 | mallum | fontenot: ok I'll look into that |
| 11:24:39 | fontenot | the makefiles have X_CFLAGS = -I/home/packages/tuxscreen/buildroot-tux/build/xc-011010/exports/include |
| 11:24:47 | fontenot | but X_CFLAGS is not used anywhere |
| 11:24:54 | mallum | fontenot: ok |
| 11:25:14 | mallum | fontenot: I call the AC macro for X checks and just assumed it included that |
| 11:25:22 | mallum | fontenot: but obviouslt not |
| 11:26:04 | fontenot | my patch is to add $(X_CFLAGS) to this line: DEFS = -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I$(srcdir) -I.. |
| 11:26:12 | fontenot | in both src and util makefiles |
| 11:26:18 | mallum | fontenot: np, I've added that to makefile.am |
| 11:26:45 | mallum | fontenot: I've set the colormap on the xpms |
| 11:27:01 | mallum | fontenot: though no real way to test as I can set Xnest to 8 bit .... |
| 11:27:36 | fontenot | can or can't ? |
| 11:27:57 | fontenot | you cant make xnest different depth than physical display can you ? |
| 11:28:03 | fontenot | i think that always bugged me |
| 11:28:52 | fontenot | heh, now its only build complaint is my build system does not have apm.h |
| 11:29:00 | mallum | I thought you could ... but it appears I cant |
| 11:29:13 | mallum | fontenot: yeah I've been trying to put some logic around that |
| 11:29:25 | fontenot | that's what i always wanted to use it for, but i dont think it dies it |
| 11:29:37 | mallum | fontenot: you'll see it commented it out in util/Makefile.am |
| 11:29:51 | mallum | fontenot: it worked for me, but for other people not ... so I removed it |
| 11:30:19 | mallum | fontenot: its only need that to build the battery monitor |
| 11:30:22 | fontenot | nod |
| 11:30:52 | fontenot | i just removed it from bin_PROGRAMS |
| 11:31:53 | fontenot | well it builds, let me know when I should cvs update and try it on tux |
| 11:32:25 | mallum | fontenot: cool, autoconf ok now ? |
| 11:33:03 | mallum | fontenot: yeah removing it from bin_PROGRAMS, is what I was trying to do with logic ... |
| 11:33:04 | fontenot | mallum: well it was ok once I made that symlink |
| 11:33:18 | mallum | fontenot: cool, I'll have to remember that one ... |
| 11:35:49 | mallum | fontenot: ok commited |
| 11:35:56 | TomW | stupid apps/ directory ... |
| 11:36:12 | mallum | fontenot: remember to run autoconfigure.sh after each update ... |
| 11:36:41 | mallum | fontenot: you have tinyX built with xft support ? |
| 11:37:18 | fontenot | mallum: yeah but I dont want to try that yet |
| 11:38:57 | mallum | fontenot: I thought it might be worth you trying xkbd too |
| 11:39:00 | fontenot | cool i dont have to patch makefiles anymore |
| 11:39:14 | mallum | fontenot: Im not sure if it will work without xft .... |
| 11:39:20 | mallum | fontenot: it works in Xnest ... |
| 11:39:26 | mallum | fontenot: :) |
| 11:39:34 | fontenot | mallum: i want to but it will just point out how we have no calibration for x ts yet :-\ |
| 11:41:03 | mallum | fontenot: we have the keyboard on the TUX anyway |
| 11:41:17 | mallum | fontenot: and matchbox is more or less designed to work with out a mouse |
| 11:41:51 | fontenot | yeah i really like that feature |
| 11:41:54 | fontenot | :-( |
| 11:41:56 | fontenot | theme: failed loading image '/usr/local/share/matchbox/themes/prev.xpm' |
| 11:42:00 | fontenot | same error as before |
| 11:42:01 | mallum | fontenot: you can page through windows in a crude screen like way |
| 11:42:08 | mallum | fontenot: arg :( |
| 11:42:30 | mallum | fontenot: ok I gotta grab some headache tablets and some lunch |
| 11:42:35 | fontenot | md5sums match |
| 11:42:41 | fontenot | so i didnt do anything stupid |
| 11:42:50 | mallum | fontenot: I will fix it |
| 11:42:53 | fontenot | plus i had edited error messages in the old version |
| 11:42:56 | fontenot | cool |
| 11:43:14 | mallum | it _should_ work on an 8 bit display |
| 11:43:33 | mallum | I need to find some xpm docs .... |
| 11:43:44 | fontenot | you need xdpyinfo from tux ? will that help at all? |
| 11:45:02 | mallum | fontenot: yeah could you msg me it .... |
| 11:45:30 | fontenot | looking at the code it looks ok to me |
| 11:45:44 | mallum | yeah Im telling it the colourmap |
| 11:45:49 | mallum | maybe I need to give it more info |
| 11:46:14 | mallum | you'd think xpm would just figure it out itself ... |
| 11:46:23 | fontenot | you'd think |
| 11:46:27 | mallum | ok brb ... |
| 11:46:30 | fontenot | dimensions: 640x480 pixels (217x163 millimeters) |
| 11:46:30 | fontenot | resolution: 75x75 dots per inch |
| 11:46:30 | fontenot | depths (6): 1, 4, 8, 16, 24, 32 |
| 11:46:31 | fontenot | root window id: 0x3f |
| 11:46:31 | fontenot | depth of root window: 8 planes |
| 11:46:33 | fontenot | number of colormaps: minimum 1, maximum 1 |
| 11:46:35 | fontenot | default colormap: 0x20 |
| 11:46:37 | fontenot | default number of colormap cells: 256 |
| 11:46:39 | fontenot | preallocated pixels: black 1, white 0 |
| 11:46:41 | fontenot | options: backing-store NO, save-unders NO |
| 11:46:43 | fontenot | largest cursor: 640x480 |
| 11:46:45 | fontenot | current input event mask: 0x0 |
| 11:46:47 | fontenot | number of visuals: 6 |
| 11:46:49 | fontenot | default visual id: 0x21 |
| 11:46:51 | fontenot | visual: |
| 11:46:53 | fontenot | visual id: 0x21 |
| 11:46:57 | fontenot | class: PseudoColor |
| 11:46:59 | fontenot | depth: 8 planes |
| 11:47:01 | fontenot | available colormap entries: 256 |
| 11:47:03 | fontenot | red, green, blue masks: 0x0, 0x0, 0x0 |
| 11:47:05 | fontenot | significant bits in color specification: 8 bits |
| 11:47:07 | fontenot | ok i just send you lart of xdpyinfo |
| 11:47:09 | fontenot | part |
| 11:50:11 | fontenot | XpmReadFileToPixmap is returning XpmColorFailed (-4) |
| 11:50:52 | fontenot | i seem to remember some way to tell xpm to choose the closest color, instead of bailing when it could not get exactly the one it wanted |
| 11:51:33 | | TomW was last seen on #tuxscreen 15 minutes and 37 seconds ago, saying: stupid apps/ directory ... [Thu Apr 25 12:35:56 2002] |
| 11:51:33 | fontenot | ibot: seen TomW |
| 11:51:38 | fontenot | heh |
| 11:51:47 | TomW | yawn |
| 11:51:54 | fontenot | getting late eh? |
| 11:51:57 | fontenot | almost 5am here |
| 11:52:04 | TomW | stretches and back cracks |
| 11:53:09 | TomW | Ok, it is downloading from the cvs, do you have building instructions? eh? |
| 11:53:40 | TomW | goes for another pipe |
| 11:56:03 | TomW | fontenot: it is 8AM here. |
| 12:00:24 | fontenot | wow |
| 12:00:29 | fontenot | i just cleaned out my refrigerator |
| 12:01:22 | fontenot | TomW: do you remember what we needed libXpm for ? |
| 12:01:37 | TomW | [tom@other matchbox]$ automake |
| 12:01:37 | TomW | automake: couldn't open `configure.in': No such file or directory |
| 12:01:53 | TomW | [tom@other matchbox]$ ./autoconfigure.sh |
| 12:01:54 | TomW | aclocal: couldn't open `configure.in': No such file or directory |
| 12:01:54 | TomW | autoconf: configure.in: No such file or directory |
| 12:01:54 | TomW | automake: couldn't open `configure.in': No such file or directory |
| 12:02:04 | TomW | fontenot: how do you build this thing? |
| 12:02:37 | TomW | libXpm was needed for oclock |
| 12:03:03 | fontenot | TomW: ln -s configure.ac configure.in |
| 12:03:17 | fontenot | then sh autoconfigure.sh |
| 12:03:25 | fontenot | at that point you will have a configure script |
| 12:04:48 | TomW | no, that wasn't, oclock don't need libXpm. |
| 12:11:43 | TomW | [tom@other matchbox]$ sh autoconfigure.sh |
| 12:11:43 | TomW | autoconf: Undefined macros: |
| 12:11:43 | TomW | configure.in:41:AC_FUNC_FORK |
| 12:11:43 | TomW | configure.in:42:AC_FUNC_MALLOC |
| 12:11:43 | TomW | automake: configure.in: installing `./install-sh' |
| 12:11:43 | TomW | error while copying |
| 12:11:45 | TomW | |
| 12:11:47 | TomW | automake: configure.in: installing `./mkinstalldirs' |
| 12:11:49 | TomW | error while copying |
| 12:11:51 | TomW | |
| 12:11:53 | TomW | automake: configure.in: installing `./missing' |
| 12:11:56 | TomW | error while copying |
| 12:12:58 | TomW | fontenot: are errors ok? I am getting used to my machine spitting out errors when building this X stuff. :-/ |
| 12:13:53 | TomW | fontenot: tell you what, I am beat, let's pick this up again tonite? |
| 12:14:56 | fontenot | those errors are fine, as long as you end up with a configure script |
| 12:15:02 | fontenot | TomW: OK sleep well |
| 12:20:26 | mallum | hi |
| 12:21:13 | sjhill | hi |
| 12:21:26 | mallum | fontenot: still awake ? |
| 12:21:46 | fontenot | yeah |
| 12:21:52 | fontenot | i tried a few things but nothing worked |
| 12:22:04 | fontenot | XpmReadFileToPixmap is returning XpmColorFailed (-4) |
| 12:23:35 | mallum | hmmm, you have any other apps that used xpm running ? |
| 12:24:55 | fontenot | that's one thing I was looking for |
| 12:25:00 | LoneTech | is away: I'm busy |
| 12:25:39 | fontenot | i had simlar problems 2.5 years ago when I was building stuff for the ipaq for the first time |
| 12:26:32 | mallum | fontenot: http://www.faqs.org/faqs/motif-faq/part5/section-34.html ? |
| 12:27:40 | fontenot | that's bringing back memories |
| 12:28:10 | mallum | I'll hack some closeness in ... |
| 12:29:31 | fontenot | WE HAVE MATCHBOX |
| 12:29:59 | mallum | it worked ? |
| 12:30:11 | mallum | I just commiteed some stuff to cvs |
| 12:30:22 | fontenot | yes it worked |
| 12:30:22 | mallum | I set closeness to 4000 |
| 12:30:25 | mallum | cool |
| 12:30:29 | mallum | -lio |
| 12:30:38 | fontenot | i set it to 40000 ilke the example |
| 12:30:43 | mallum | woohoo |
| 12:30:45 | mallum | me too |
| 12:31:13 | fontenot | but I had added a bunch of other stuff so Im tearing that out to make sure it still works |
| 12:31:26 | mallum | the dock apps probably suffer the same problem , I'll have to fix them |
| 12:31:54 | mallum | I have a program menu too ( like gtk-menu but xlib only ) |
| 12:32:11 | fontenot | yeah i saw that |
| 12:33:10 | mallum | fontenot: are you running everything from flash ? |
| 12:33:51 | mallum | fontenot: theres some more themes in my downloadables directory |
| 12:33:56 | | somebody said matchbox was a X11 window manager for handheld devices. Info, screenshots & downloadable at http://handhelds.org/~mallum/matchbox . Ipkg is in the familiar unstable feed. Development versions and other goodies at http://handhelds.org/~mallum/downloadables/ |
| 12:33:56 | mallum | ibot: matchbox |
| 12:34:05 | fontenot | mallum: yes from flash - why ? |
| 12:34:17 | mallum | fontenot: so X in 4 megs ? |
| 12:34:25 | fontenot | looiks like the stuff I added didnt make any difference - it still works |
| 12:34:37 | fontenot | mallum: yes with 700kB left |
| 12:34:41 | mallum | nice ! |
| 12:34:46 | mallum | fontenot: and libs ? |
| 12:35:01 | mallum | xlib etc |
| 12:35:34 | mallum | HAS TO put his tuxscreen back togeather ... |
| 12:37:06 | fontenot | libX11, libXext, and libXpm |
| 12:37:18 | fontenot | and rxvt |
| 12:38:14 | fontenot | ddi the xpms change since 0.1.8 ? |
| 12:38:21 | fontenot | or the default theme ? |
| 12:39:02 | mallum | no |
| 12:39:31 | fontenot | ok |
| 12:39:52 | fontenot | you need to put your tuxscren together so you can make a configuration of matchbox for it |
| 12:40:14 | mallum | I'll try and get mb fixed up to version 0.2 today , I'll then add a tarball of it to my downloads directory so you can add it to buildroot ( if you want )? |
| 12:40:21 | fontenot | now I only have a rxvt fullscreen size and a litle empty bar on the bottom |
| 12:40:34 | fontenot | yeah that would be great |
| 12:40:50 | fontenot | we *are* adding it to buildroot |
| 12:40:55 | fontenot | but tomw had to go to sleep |
| 12:40:55 | mallum | cool :) |
| 12:41:01 | mallum | woos# |
| 12:41:05 | mallum | ;) |
| 12:41:10 | fontenot | heh |
| 12:41:11 | fontenot | :-) |
| 12:41:37 | fontenot | arg now I need to learn how to use this wm |
| 12:41:43 | mallum | did you copy across any of the dock apps ? |
| 12:41:55 | fontenot | not yet |
| 12:41:57 | mallum | fontenot: I wrote quite substancial docks for it .. |
| 12:42:01 | mallum | docs |
| 12:42:03 | mallum | rather |
| 12:42:10 | | i heard matchbox was a X11 window manager for handheld devices. Info, screenshots & downloadable at http://handhelds.org/~mallum/matchbox . Ipkg is in the familiar unstable feed. Development versions and other goodies at http://handhelds.org/~mallum/downloadables/ |
| 12:42:10 | mallum | ibot: matchbox |
| 12:42:11 | fontenot | lol I displayed a oclock remotely to tux and it's HUGE |
| 12:42:23 | mallum | fontenot: yeah |
| 12:42:27 | fontenot | yeah I was just saying earlier how nice the docs are |
| 12:42:44 | mallum | fontenot: ICCCM stays windows should size to whatever there told too :) |
| 12:42:51 | mallum | thanks |
| 12:43:07 | mallum | I have some updated ones for 0.2 |
| 12:43:17 | LoneTech | is back (gone 00:18:17) |
| 12:43:50 | mallum | fontenot: minisys would look nice on the tux |
| 12:43:57 | LoneTech | is matchbox as nice as ion? |
| 12:43:58 | mallum | fontenot: run with a '-t' |
| 12:44:03 | mallum | LoneTech: it whips ion |
| 12:44:10 | mallum | LoneTech: on pda's |
| 12:44:20 | mallum | LoneTech: but im biased |
| 12:44:34 | mallum | LoneTech: move poeple I know have moved from ion to matchbox |
| 12:44:45 | mallum | LoneTech: I only wrote matchbox cos I hated ion so much |
| 12:45:04 | fontenot | im seeing small strangenesses |
| 12:45:12 | fontenot | like on the oclock screen |
| 12:45:26 | fontenot | it has a top and bottom set of nex/prev buttons |
| 12:45:31 | fontenot | but the bottom set does nothing |
| 12:45:32 | LoneTech | ok |
| 12:45:49 | fontenot | the rxvt screen does not have the bottom set |
| 12:46:02 | LoneTech | I use pwm on my home box. unfortunately I do not have a linux capable pda. |
| 12:46:22 | mallum | fontenot: that could be the bug I spoke of ... |
| 12:46:35 | mallum | fontenot: could youy do me a quick screen shot |
| 12:46:36 | LoneTech | I'm also interested in PicoGUI, which needs a redesign of the window management |
| 12:46:58 | mallum | LoneTech: matchbox wouldn't be very nice on a desktop |
| 12:47:16 | mallum | LoneTech: Im currently using metacity which is very nice |
| 12:47:42 | fontenot | http://intimate.handhelds.org/jacques/matchbox1.png and http://intimate.handhelds.org/jacques/matchbox2.png |
| 12:48:16 | LoneTech | ah |
| 12:48:20 | fontenot | mallum: your browser display png's ? |
| 12:48:24 | LoneTech | looks like it drew oclock's title before resizing it.. |
| 12:48:34 | LoneTech | and since oclock is shaped, it didn't draw over that |
| 12:48:47 | LoneTech | guesses wildly |
| 12:49:01 | fontenot | true oclock is shaped |
| 12:49:15 | fontenot | very good guess even if it's not right (I have no idea) |
| 12:49:22 | mallum | fontenot: oo wierd |
| 12:49:38 | fontenot | mallum: I was playing with the bar on the bottom and got this on serial console: |
| 12:49:40 | fontenot | # X-error: X error (0x400029): BadPixmap (opcode: 54) |
| 12:49:53 | fontenot | didnt seem to affect anything tho |
| 12:49:54 | mallum | fontenot: I've been experimenting with painting titlebar pixmaps directly onto window background |
| 12:50:17 | fontenot | mallum: this might only be with shaped windows - gonna try xclock now |
| 12:50:18 | mallum | fontenot: and it causes problems, so Im gonna roll the code back |
| 12:50:27 | mallum | fontenot: and rework on it after 0.2 |
| 12:50:44 | mallum | fontenot: Im 99% sure thats the problem with oclock ( and the bug I spoke of .... ) |
| 12:50:50 | fontenot | xclock does not do the weird thing |
| 12:51:01 | fontenot | mallum: I missed when you spoke of the bug... |
| 12:51:16 | LoneTech | xclock isn't shaped here |
| 12:51:22 | mallum | fontenot: it unfortunatly tiles onto the window background |
| 12:52:04 | mallum | fontenot: I'll fix it, no biigy |
| 12:52:11 | mallum | fontenot: you get a few X errors |
| 12:52:17 | mallum | fontenot: nothing to worry about |
| 12:52:25 | fontenot | mallum: ok |
| 12:52:31 | mallum | fontenot: I fix them when I find them |
| 12:52:42 | fontenot | LoneTech: right - I tried xclock because it is not shaped - and I did not see the weird thing |
| 12:52:48 | mallum | fontenot: but I believe a lot of wm's cause xerrors and just cover them up |
| 12:53:10 | fontenot | yeah probably |
| 12:53:12 | mallum | fontenot: I think its just the tiled background showing through |
| 12:53:28 | fontenot | mallum: you gotta get yout tuxscreen back together - things will go much faster then :-D |
| 12:53:38 | mallum | fontenot: :) |
| 12:53:58 | mallum | fontenot: I wonder if xvnc will let me play with 8bit on a 24bit display ... |
| 12:54:19 | LoneTech | it will. |
| 12:59:17 | fontenot | LOL http://intimate.handhelds.org/jacques/matchbox4.png |
| 13:00:47 | fontenot | http://intimate.handhelds.org/jacques/matchbox5.png |
| 13:00:56 | fontenot | that's using only the tinyx builtin fonts BTW |
| 13:01:14 | mallum | fontenot: nice ! |
| 13:01:31 | mallum | fontenot: Im gonna have to rehouse my tuxscreen in a carboard box .... |
| 13:01:53 | fontenot | why? |
| 13:01:55 | LoneTech | why lol? it looks fine to me |
| 13:02:35 | fontenot | LoneTech: glad you like it :-) |
| 13:02:51 | fontenot | of course it's not running locally tho :-\ |
| 13:02:58 | LoneTech | didn't think so |
| 13:03:09 | LoneTech | I would probably want to run something other than netscape. |
| 13:03:27 | LoneTech | I use galeon on big machines and links on smaller ones, usually |
| 13:03:50 | mallum | I took it apart ( agressively ) to rehouse in some plexiglass |
| 13:04:06 | mallum | but I couldn't cut the plexiglass cleanly :( |
| 13:04:48 | mallum | LoneTech: have you seen w3m-img ? |
| 13:06:26 | fontenot | LoneTech: I use galeon exclusively on desktop but it was too smart - noticed it was already running so I just ran netscape |
| 13:06:40 | fontenot | mallum: yeah I have had that problem with plexi |
| 13:07:17 | LoneTech | I haven't really tried w3m |
| 13:07:30 | mallum | LoneTech: w3m-img is very cool |
| 13:07:50 | fontenot | what's that? |
| 13:07:53 | mallum | LoneTech: browser in an xterm - renders images ! |
| 13:07:59 | fontenot | neat! |
| 13:08:25 | LoneTech | why? |
| 13:09:22 | LoneTech | I'm not typically running X on the small machines |
| 13:10:45 | fontenot | hmm ive managed to kill the x server several times now |
| 13:11:00 | fontenot | by remotely displaying 24bit images to it |
| 13:11:35 | LoneTech | picogui could display much bigger pictures than qtopia on the zaurus |
| 13:11:51 | LoneTech | scanline messed around with it (: |
| 13:12:40 | fontenot | http://intimate.handhelds.org/jacques/matchbox7.png |
| 13:16:33 | fontenot | Out of Memory: Killed process 496 (Xfbdev). |
| 13:16:35 | fontenot | heh |
| 13:18:14 | LoneTech | unnice. |
| 13:18:31 | LoneTech | Linux' optimistic memory management has a bad side |
| 13:18:59 | fontenot | yeah the bad side of only 16MB |
| 13:20:43 | LoneTech | you're spoiled |
| 13:20:48 | LoneTech | my sparc has 8MB |
| 13:20:59 | fontenot | heh |
| 13:21:11 | fontenot | ok im going to the grocery store, biaw |
| 13:21:16 | LoneTech | cu |
| 13:22:57 | mallum | fontenot: I was worried about the memory until I saw that shot .... |
| 13:28:50 | Morn | morning |
| 13:29:22 | LoneTech | morning morn |
| 13:29:58 | Morn | tries to prepare herself for compiling opie for the tuxscreen |
| 13:31:15 | Morn | I tried compiling tinyx for the tuxscreen last night, but got lots of signal 11 errors in the arm cross compiler |
| 13:34:01 | LoneTech | is your hardware ok? |
| 13:34:12 | LoneTech | I'd hate to have memory problems on my development machine. |
| 13:34:16 | Morn | no other troubles |
| 13:34:21 | Morn | it is a laptop |
| 13:34:27 | Morn | only 192MB of ram |
| 13:34:30 | LoneTech | does it work compiling the linux kernel? |
| 13:34:35 | Morn | yes |
| 13:34:53 | Morn | and it compiled microwindows fine |
| 13:35:27 | LoneTech | the compiler should never sig11 unless there's a libc, compiler, kernel or hardware problem |
| 13:35:46 | LoneTech | what compiler did you build the crosscompiler with? |
| 13:36:09 | Morn | I downloaded the compiler from handhelds.org |
| 13:36:40 | LoneTech | I haven't tried that one. |
| 13:38:50 | Morn | I found that the gcc 3.0 compiler for arm doesn't work well for the kernel |
| 13:38:55 | Morn | it creates a HUGE kernel |
| 13:39:04 | Morn | so I went back to 2.95.3 |
| 13:41:36 | scanline | is away: pseudo-food-like-something-or-other |
| 13:50:13 | fontenot | Morn: sig11 ? not internal compiler errors "unrecognized insn" ? |
| 13:50:38 | Morn | there were lots of sig11 errors yes |
| 13:50:47 | Morn | and a lot of redefined constants |
| 13:51:20 | fontenot | i havent seen sig11 |
| 13:51:28 | fontenot | dont worry about the redefinitions |
| 13:52:17 | mallum | I recased my tux -> http://handhelds.org/~mallum/screenshots/cardtux.png |
| 13:58:21 | fontenot | LOL |
| 13:58:24 | fontenot | nice job |
| 13:58:57 | Morn | cool mallum |
| 14:00:52 | mallum | I just uploaded this pic too -> http://www.handhelds.org/~mallum/screenshots/jg_backpaq_linuxexpo_NY2001.jpg ( prolly only of interest to ipaq people ) |
| 14:02:04 | mallum | fontenot: I'll get buildroot going it a bit |
| 14:02:26 | mallum | fontenot: will I need to upgrade my bootloader ? |
| 14:02:55 | Morn | mallum: you have one of the newer ipaqs? |
| 14:03:09 | mallum | Morn: no only an old one |
| 14:03:17 | mallum | Morn: 32Mb flash though :)) |
| 14:03:18 | Morn | oh, that looked like the newer style |
| 14:03:26 | Morn | I have the 3635 |
| 14:03:29 | mallum | Morn: that has the baqpaq on it |
| 14:03:35 | mallum | Morn: there only prototype |
| 14:03:36 | Morn | only 16Meg of flash |
| 14:03:45 | mallum | Morn: that pict is jim gettys showing it off |
| 14:04:16 | Morn | ah |
| 14:04:22 | mallum | its not me |
| 14:04:26 | Morn | ok |
| 14:04:28 | mallum | Im about half his age :) |
| 14:04:37 | Morn | giggle |
| 14:04:43 | mallum | Im 'in the ipaq' |
| 14:05:24 | mallum | shortyly after thay pic I kicked his arse about X |
| 14:05:29 | mallum | ;) |
| 14:05:49 | Morn | I'm still intrested in the dual boot options for the ipaq |
| 14:06:31 | scanline | is back (gone 00:24:54) |
| 14:06:40 | Morn | I have things I like on the PocketPC side (don't shoot me) |
| 14:06:58 | mallum | BANG ! |
| 14:07:01 | mallum | ;P |
| 14:07:37 | Morn | while the PocketPC OS can annoy me it is useful at times |
| 14:13:09 | Morn | morning prpplague |
| 14:14:34 | prpplague | Morn: morn |
| 14:14:41 | CosmicPenguin | man - I hate it when I don't do an /away |
| 14:14:51 | prpplague | anything interesting happening this morning? |
| 14:14:56 | Morn | hi CP |
| 14:15:01 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: howdy |
| 14:15:11 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: you've been quite lately |
| 14:15:13 | Morn | prpplague: trying to compile tinyx and get started on opie |
| 14:15:27 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: keepin ya busy? |
| 14:15:45 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: I had to run home last week for a family emergency, and they are keeping us quite busy around here to boot |
| 14:17:15 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ahh, nothing too bad i hope |
| 14:17:23 | mallum | fontenot: how are you getting the ts to work now ? |
| 14:20:19 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: it was my grandmother, but she is doing much better now, thanks for asking |
| 14:21:55 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: np |
| 14:25:41 | prpplague | anyone here tried an itanium yet? |
| 14:26:45 | Morn | not here |
| 14:26:50 | Morn | they are way too expensive |
| 14:27:41 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: itanium embedded? :) |
| 14:27:57 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: no, itanium servers |
| 14:28:21 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: I know, I was joking...:) |
| 14:28:45 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ohh, sorry, lack of sleep |
| 14:29:12 | prpplague | dropped a chest-of-drawers on his toe last night and got no sleep due to the toe throbing |
| 14:29:56 | scanline | is away: I'm busy |
| 14:30:11 | scanline | is back (gone 00:00:03) |
| 14:34:02 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: ouch! |
| 14:39:38 | | it is downloading from the cvs, do you have building instructions? eh? |
| 14:39:38 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: tell me about it |
| 14:43:43 | | CosmicPenguin: huh? |
| 14:43:43 | CosmicPenguin | ibot: you're a funny, funny guy |
| 14:51:56 | | ibot is nothing but a lewd-minded assload of surly cat bladders. |
| 14:51:56 | sjhill | ibot: insult ibot |
| 14:51:59 | | :) |
| 14:51:59 | sjhill | ibot: good boy |
| 14:52:09 | | thanks sjhill :) |
| 14:52:09 | sjhill | ibot: botsnack |
| 14:55:11 | Morn | my sig11 issues could be memory related, I rebooted the machine and I don't seem to be getting them now |
| 14:55:47 | LoneTech | k |
| 14:59:55 | Morn | I should run an exhaustive test of the ram |
| 15:00:04 | Morn | I just completely disassembled this laptop the other day |
| 15:00:17 | CosmicPenguin | mmmm.... disassembly |
| 15:00:21 | LoneTech | memtest86 is good |
| 15:00:25 | Morn | it stopped seeing the hard drive, turns out the ide cable was lose on the motherboard |
| 15:00:35 | Morn | but you had to take it completely apart to get at it |
| 15:00:54 | Morn | LoneTech: I'll try that |
| 15:01:05 | Morn | I really want to replace this thing when I get some money |
| 15:01:45 | LoneTech | and if you get a nice pattern from memtest86 and don't have much money, kernel-patch-badram is your friend too (: |
| 15:02:32 | Morn | I've never heard of that patch |
| 15:02:51 | LoneTech | it lets linux reserve some pages of memory for the kernel |
| 15:02:56 | LoneTech | so nothing uses the bad spots. |
| 15:02:59 | Morn | I just want a faster cpu in the laptop, this 450 MHz machine is too slow |
| 15:03:15 | LoneTech | you can get memtest86 to produce compact patterns to give to badram |
| 15:03:59 | Morn | hmm |
| 15:04:06 | Morn | it completed with no errors |
| 15:04:11 | Morn | but Xfbdev was missing |
| 15:04:17 | Morn | I'm going to do a make distclean;make |
| 15:05:56 | fontenot | mallum: sorry - I was watching tivo |
| 15:06:00 | mallum | fontenot: np |
| 15:06:12 | mallum | fontenot: wish I had tivo |
| 15:06:24 | mallum | fontenot: its crap in the uk - expensive + limited :( |
| 15:06:28 | fontenot | mallum: you wont have to upgrade your tuxscreen bootloader |
| 15:06:31 | Morn | mallum: that is what I use snapstream for |
| 15:06:36 | mallum | fontenot: cool |
| 15:06:42 | mallum | Morn: snapstream ? |
| 15:06:57 | fontenot | mallum: ts is working in X due to a hack - it's directly accessing the new kernel driver |
| 15:07:00 | Morn | it is a windows based program for scheduling recordings and streaming them |
| 15:07:04 | Morn | www.snapstream.com |
| 15:07:14 | fontenot | mallum: i.e. no jitter correction or calibration :-( :-( |
| 15:07:16 | mallum | Morn: I dont run windows :( |
| 15:07:24 | Morn | mallum: I run many os's |
| 15:07:27 | Morn | I lost count |
| 15:07:30 | mallum | fontenot: is it supposed to run with tslib ? |
| 15:08:00 | fontenot | mallum: I wrote a x ts driver that used tslib but it was too slow - I might have done it wrong but I could not find anyone to help me |
| 15:08:05 | mallum | Morn: its sounds like a cool prog though .... |
| 15:08:27 | mallum | fontenot: do you want me to take a look now I am uber kernel hacker extreme ;) ? |
| 15:08:28 | Morn | mallum: I got it to stream video to my ipaq |
| 15:08:42 | mallum | Morn: nice, but pockpc to play it ? |
| 15:08:46 | Morn | so I can watch recorded episodes of MASH and ToolTime via wireless in the hard... |
| 15:08:59 | Morn | it is wmv so you need PocketPC yes |
| 15:09:13 | fontenot | mallum: sure I will find what I have (I only edited ts.c) and put it for download on intimate later today |
| 15:09:32 | mallum | Morn: I could watch porn in the toilet :) |
| 15:09:42 | Morn | mallum: ick!!!! |
| 15:09:43 | Morn | men! |
| 15:09:48 | fontenot | LOL |
| 15:09:54 | mallum | Morn: is female ? |
| 15:10:03 | fontenot | so she says |
| 15:10:09 | Morn | last I checked |
| 15:10:17 | mallum | Morn: well I didn't meen to offend ... |
| 15:10:26 | Morn | I could check again if it would make fontenot feel better |
| 15:10:53 | fontenot | Morn: my only point was that on the internet it's hard to be sure |
| 15:11:23 | Morn | I can't imagine why it would be to my advantage to lie about being female in a programming chat room |
| 15:11:27 | mallum | Morn: I could be female too ... |
| 15:11:33 | fontenot | and I |
| 15:11:49 | mallum | pretending to be male |
| 15:11:59 | Morn | giggle |
| 15:12:04 | fontenot | Morn: I'm not accusing you of anything, was just making a joke |
| 15:12:11 | Morn | ok |
| 15:12:28 | fontenot | i could be a female pretending to be a male pretending to be a female... |
| 15:12:40 | Morn | I guess I just get frustrated that people think all programmers should be male, I got that a lot in the work place |
| 15:13:03 | mallum | fontenot: ts.c now just gives raw values, right ? its up to tslib to covert this into a format for tinyX to use ( for example ) ? |
| 15:13:07 | Morn | when I started a job as a sysadmin all the other women in sales were so excited to have a woman in a job like that |
| 15:14:07 | mallum | fontenot: and the calibrarition ioctls now have to change to calls on tslib - right ? |
| 15:14:15 | fontenot | mallum: ts.c is the tinyx touchscreen driver, currently it just reads the /dev/ucb1x00-ts and makes simple corrections for scaling, but no other calibration or jitter correction |
| 15:14:18 | mallum | Morn: I got engaged on sunday :)) |
| 15:14:37 | Morn | mallum: cool, lucky girl |
| 15:14:49 | fontenot | mallum: tslib is a library that reads /dev/ucb1x00-ts and has dynamically loadable filters for scaling, calibration, and jitter removal |
| 15:15:15 | fontenot | mallum: I rewrote ts.s to use tslib, but it was too slow :-( |
| 15:15:50 | mallum | fontenot: could a 'fitler' be written to provide a fifo named /dev/ts in the TS_EVENT format tinyX liked ? |
| 15:16:32 | fontenot | mallum: yeah that could be done - I think someone tried it but they disapeared shortly thereafter |
| 15:16:54 | mallum | fontenot: I need to find the tslib code and open up my fat stevens book ... |
| 15:16:55 | fontenot | but I am starting to think that tslib has performance problems |
| 15:17:19 | fontenot | tslib is by rmk |
| 15:17:20 | mallum | fontenot: maybe we could avoid tslib |
| 15:17:26 | mallum | fontenot: yeah |
| 15:17:28 | fontenot | i think I got it from his site... |
| 15:17:32 | fontenot | cvs |
| 15:17:37 | mallum | cool, I'll get it |
| 15:17:37 | fontenot | dammit i cant remember |
| 15:17:48 | mallum | fontenot: arm.linux.co.uk right ? |
| 15:17:49 | fontenot | i know i got it from cvs |
| 15:18:05 | mallum | fontenot: or would we be better just backporting the old driver ? |
| 15:18:18 | fontenot | cvs -d:pserver:cvs@pubcvs.arm.linux.org.uk:/mnt/src/cvsroot login |
| 15:18:18 | fontenot | cvs -z3 -d:pserver:cvs@pubcvs.arm.linux.org.uk:/mnt/src/cvsroot co tslib |
| 15:18:21 | mallum | fontenot: not backporting, but you know what I mean ... |
| 15:18:47 | fontenot | mallum: i now believe that the old kernel ts driver had to go |
| 15:18:49 | Morn | hmmm buildroot kept saying that the kernel dist didn't exist on the server |
| 15:18:51 | Morn | weird |
| 15:19:01 | fontenot | apparently it was impacting performance of other kernel drivers |
| 15:19:33 | fontenot | because of the way it was using interrupts or something |
| 15:19:46 | mallum | fontenot: ok |
| 15:20:14 | fontenot | the old kernel ts driver and the new (for example) audio driver for tuxscreen are totally incompatible |
| 15:20:33 | fontenot | all the ucb1x00 has to work together |
| 15:20:52 | fontenot | Morn: huh? |
| 15:22:26 | Morn | fontenot: when I was typing make in build root, it kept saying that the kernel source didn't exist on the server, but after 10 tries it found it |
| 15:22:45 | fontenot | Morn: the perils of depending on myriad dl sites |
| 15:22:53 | Morn | I'm sure |
| 15:23:03 | fontenot | Morn: the more we depend on, the more vulnerable we are, because it only takes one to go down... |
| 15:23:31 | Morn | this is why I fear the over usage of SourceForge |
| 15:23:43 | Morn | too much dependence on it |
| 15:24:35 | fontenot | Morn: WOW |
| 15:24:49 | fontenot | i've been warning ppl about sourcescourge for years |
| 15:24:54 | fontenot | not many listen |
| 15:26:18 | Morn | I have been telling people that too |
| 15:26:52 | fontenot | all eggs in one basket |
| 15:27:00 | mallum | fontenot: [OT] is bochs incredably slow ? |
| 15:27:06 | Morn | I have my own server so I don't host there |
| 15:27:14 | fontenot | mallum: yes |
| 15:27:30 | mallum | fontenot: I get 0.8 bogomips on my powerpc 550 ! |
| 15:27:39 | prpplague | Morn: you keep your pr0n server there too?lol |
| 15:27:48 | Morn | doh! |
| 15:27:49 | fontenot | i think I got 0.5 on my ipaq |
| 15:28:10 | mallum | fontenot: hmmm, maybe I need to tweak some settings ... |
| 15:28:40 | fontenot | mallum: see if you can read this: http://intimate.handhelds.org/jacques/screenies/bochs0.png |
| 15:29:33 | fontenot | of course, different kernel versions (maybe) different archs, ... |
| 15:29:38 | mallum | fontenot: I wonder how the ipaq people are keeping on newer kernels without changing ts driver ? |
| 15:30:00 | fontenot | mallum: they dont have to worry about the ucb1x00 - they dont have one |
| 15:30:08 | mallum | fontenot: of course ... |
| 15:40:44 | mallum | fontenot: maybe tinyX could be patched to call directly on tslib ? |
| 15:41:20 | mallum | fontenot: or is that what you've been trying to tell me ? |
| 15:42:15 | fontenot | mallum: yes |
| 15:42:22 | fontenot | mallum: that's what I was trying to tell you I did |
| 15:42:26 | fontenot | and it was too slow |
| 15:42:38 | fontenot | cursor was lagging behind sttylus by a lot |
| 15:42:54 | mallum | fontenot: that sucks |
| 15:43:12 | fontenot | yep |
| 15:43:27 | fontenot | but I dont know if I was just using it wrong - I folowed the example program |
| 15:43:40 | mallum | fontenot: theres nothing obvious in that lib why it would be so slow |
| 15:44:00 | fontenot | i kept waiting for jg to show up since he is supposed to be doing essentially what I tried to do |
| 15:44:22 | scanline | is away: class |
| 15:44:23 | fontenot | mallum: well there might be some stuff in the filters |
| 15:44:24 | mallum | fontenot: did you call on ts_read ot ts_read_raw ? |
| 15:44:39 | fontenot | ts_read - raw gives unfiltered data |
| 15:45:05 | fontenot | raw is only for testing - using it defeats the purpose of tslib |
| 15:45:18 | mallum | fontenot: yeah I guess so |
| 15:45:33 | fontenot | i think the filters make it slow by doing multiple calls to the ts hardware for jitter correction, etc |
| 15:45:53 | fontenot | but I am only speculating |
| 15:46:25 | fontenot | 2 filters in series doing multiple calls each... |
| 15:46:37 | fontenot | to return one data point to X... |
| 15:47:52 | mallum | was it faster with the jitter correction removed ? |
| 15:48:27 | fontenot | hmm I didnt try |
| 15:48:37 | fontenot | i god discouraged after spending all weekend on it |
| 15:49:02 | mallum | could tinyX not do jitter correction ? |
| 15:49:12 | mallum | that would not be bad would it ? |
| 15:49:21 | mallum | and would avoid multiple reads ? |
| 15:49:41 | fontenot | jitter correction is nice but expendable, what we really need is calibration |
| 15:50:09 | fontenot | tslibs was doing multiple reads even in the scaling filter I think |
| 15:50:23 | fontenot | you should look at the tslib source |
| 15:50:48 | fontenot | dont take my word for it :-) |
| 15:53:25 | mallum | yeah Im looking at it |
| 15:53:34 | mallum | was ts_test slow ? |
| 15:55:57 | mallum | fontenot: the event struct its reading from the kernel ( via /dev ) is very similar to the one x expects |
| 15:56:24 | fontenot | ts_test was not nearly as slow as tinyx-tslib |
| 15:56:46 | fontenot | mallum: that's why the hack we are currently using is so simple |
| 15:57:30 | mallum | fontenot: aha |
| 16:02:15 | mallum | fontenot: I think when I get a little more time ( I better get matchbox to 0.2 !) , I change my ts driver on the point 510 to out put what tslib wants. Install tslib on that and play |
| 16:03:01 | mallum | fontenot: at least on the point 510 I can compile and dev there ( althouth slowly ) |
| 16:03:18 | mallum | fontenot: arg problem is it has no framebuffer :( so tests wont work |
| 16:03:19 | fontenot | heh yeah I would need a lot more ram before I would try compiling on the tux |
| 16:03:46 | mallum | fontenot: I built the vga-16 fb for it this morning, that may work .... |
| 16:04:24 | fontenot | ? vga-16 ? |
| 16:06:20 | mallum | yeah |
| 16:06:44 | mallum | fontenot: how did you get the timeval struct from kernel space ? |
| 16:06:54 | mallum | fontenot: or can I just do that ? |
| 16:09:04 | fontenot | mallum: hmm? timeval where? |
| 16:09:10 | fontenot | getting sleepy |
| 16:09:15 | fontenot | after 9am here |
| 16:10:56 | mallum | yeah, you should hit the sack :) |
| 16:11:26 | fontenot | yrsh work later |
| 16:12:50 | mallum | you could send a post to xpert list to get jg's attn btw ... |
| 16:16:46 | fontenot | does he read that? |
| 16:16:55 | fontenot | didnt know that |
| 16:17:10 | fontenot | ok really got to sleep now |
| 16:17:12 | fontenot | later |
| 16:17:30 | fontenot | matchbox 0.2 :-) |
| 16:17:58 | mallum | fontenot: indeed :) |
| 16:18:08 | mallum | fontenot: thanks for all your help |
| 16:18:16 | mallum | fontenot: sleep well ! |
| 16:24:25 | Morn | yikes 8kB/s download of pcmcia from source forge |
| 16:24:29 | Morn | it's a good day |
| 16:24:42 | mallum | I think something is up with sourceforge ... |
| 16:24:50 | mallum | I got 1k/s yesterday |
| 16:25:13 | sjhill | mallum: probably getting ready to tell people, "you have to subscribe to get faster BW" |
| 16:29:48 | mallum | sjhill: yes ... |
| 16:29:52 | mallum | end of free |
| 16:39:10 | dc_ | mallum: ! |
| 16:39:28 | dc_ | is being pesky, and pokes mallum |
| 16:40:07 | dc_ | mallum: n/m |
| 16:40:12 | dc_ | runs |
| 16:58:34 | pmisfit | is back (gone 08:14:04) |
| 16:58:48 | pmisfit | is enjoying his new tuxscreen X terminal |
| 16:59:12 | pmisfit | fontenot and tomw rock the freakin planet. |
| 16:59:37 | pmisfit | :-) |
| 17:02:00 | prpplague | pmisfit: ya those can really hack |
| 17:18:19 | Morn | hmmm, I should be able to just chroot to a opie nfs mount with the base tuxscreen install |
| 17:18:23 | Morn | thinks that is a good idea |
| 17:26:12 | Morn | what the heck is error 255 |
| 17:39:39 | | andersee was last seen on #tuxscreen 16 hours, 1 minutes and 41 seconds ago, saying: cbiffle: email it to me [Thu Apr 25 02:37:58 2002] |
| 17:39:39 | kergoth | ibot: seen andersee? |
| 17:40:04 | | rumour has it andersee is running into "issues" and hence fixing uclibc bugs |
| 17:40:04 | kergoth | ibot: andersee? |
| 17:40:14 | | BZFlag was last seen on #blob 8 hours, 30 minutes and 2 seconds ago, saying: ducks patch include vfat (perhaps just fat) support. [Thu Apr 25 10:10:12 2002] |
| 17:40:14 | kergoth | ibot: seen BZFlag? |
| 18:30:16 | Morn | can I mae a suggestion for the make in buildroot? |
| 18:30:28 | prpplague | no |
| 18:30:37 | Morn | :-( |
| 18:30:40 | Morn | cries. |
| 18:30:40 | prpplague | lol |
| 18:30:48 | prpplague | :-O |
| 18:31:07 | prpplague | watches out for flying phones..... |
| 18:31:55 | Morn | I just added -T 5 to the pcmcia wget |
| 18:32:02 | Morn | it helped me actually get the source |
| 18:32:14 | Morn | sourceforge is a real mess today |
| 18:32:41 | prpplague | what's going on at sourceforge? |
| 18:32:54 | Morn | very slow transfer speeds and it would just hang |
| 18:33:05 | Morn | so I would kill it and try again, and again and again |
| 18:37:03 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: you going to get a chance to attend OLS? |
| 18:48:40 | prpplague | BZFlag: howdy mr.cto |
| 18:49:05 | BZFlag | heya |
| 18:50:46 | prpplague | BZFlag: who do you think i'd have to bribe to get a dev unit of those new pdas? |
| 18:52:20 | | OLS is Ottawa Linux Symposium or http://www.ottawalinuxsymposium.org/ or http://www.linuxsymposium.org/2002/ |
| 18:52:20 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: OLS? |
| 18:52:27 | CosmicPenguin | Ahh, right.... |
| 18:52:56 | CosmicPenguin | Are you kidding? My boss a speaker on Linux Lunacy, and I can't even go to that |
| 18:53:10 | CosmicPenguin | We follow a strict policy of keeping engineers in the dark |
| 18:56:20 | file | awakens from his slumber |
| 18:57:16 | kergoth | anyone in here have cvs write access to busybox? ive got a fix that should be committed |
| 18:57:51 | kergoth | vi segfaults with YANKMARK enabled.. hehe |
| 18:58:48 | prpplague | kergoth: wait around for andersee or send him an email at codepoets.org |
| 18:59:04 | kergoth | prpplague: k, thanks |
| 19:08:20 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: what did ya fix? |
| 19:09:08 | CosmicPenguin | anyone here use netkit-tiny? |
| 19:09:13 | CosmicPenguin | good, bad, indifferent? |
| 19:10:17 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: not seen that one, i assume its route, ifconfig, netstat and such right? |
| 19:10:20 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: modifying_cmds is defined when either the dot commands or yankmark are enabled.. however, it gets used uninitialized when dot commands is disabled, and yankmark is enabled.. assigning something useful to modifying_cmds only occurs if the dot commands are enabled.. it should be assigned for both. |
| 19:10:23 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:10:27 | kergoth | really simple fix |
| 19:11:31 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: more like telnetd, etc... |
| 19:11:35 | CosmicPenguin | seems to be a lineo thing |
| 19:11:56 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ohh, that would be nice to have |
| 19:12:29 | prpplague | i generally run telnetd and such in debug mode so i don't need inetd |
| 19:12:54 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: it seems to have been killed |
| 19:14:26 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: bummer |
| 19:14:55 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: know of any tiny telnet severs? |
| 19:16:06 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: negative, i wish i did...., i've been using the basic telnetd and configuring out as many things as i can and then running it in -d mode |
| 19:22:40 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: any advice as to some things I can get rid of? |
| 19:24:32 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: well..., i gotten rid of most of the authentication, gotten rid of enviroment variable controls |
| 19:25:41 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: removed support for secure cards |
| 19:26:35 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i think thats most of it |
| 19:28:27 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: seems like the LEM project had a small telnetd |
| 19:28:46 | | cosmicpenguin: wish i knew |
| 19:28:46 | CosmicPenguin | ibot: LEM? |
| 19:28:56 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: let me get the url |
| 19:29:49 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: here is a list of some mini dists that have some good things you can pick out of - http://www.linuxlinks.com/Distributions/Mini_Distributions/ |
| 19:30:57 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: cool - thanks |
| 20:00:59 | Morn | has cbliffe been around? |
| 21:51:18 | scanline | is back (gone 06:06:55) |
| 22:00:50 | BZFlag | prpplague: I'm the one you need to bribe. there are no more of the current hw rev available. ping me in a month when the new dev units should become available. |
| 22:07:55 | prpplague | BZFlag: i figured as much..... |
| 22:18:03 | | pmisfit: Something failed in connecting to the NOAA web server. Try again later. |
| 22:18:03 | pmisfit | ibot: weather KSFO |
| 22:18:21 | | pmisfit: wish i knew |
| 22:18:21 | pmisfit | ibot: you probably want to get that fixed, don't you? |
| 22:19:29 | | BZFlag: Something failed in connecting to the NOAA web server. Try again later. |
| 22:19:29 | BZFlag | ibot weather kpvu |
| 22:19:41 | BZFlag | heh. it will fix itself eventually. |
| 22:19:52 | | BZFlag: Something failed in connecting to the NOAA web server. Try again later. |
| 22:19:52 | BZFlag | ibot weather kpvu |
| 22:29:28 | mallum | hi |
| 22:29:39 | BZFlag | hmm. anyone heard of a tiny cc? I thought there was a current tcc project. |
| 22:35:08 | pmisfit | BZFlag: i vaguely remember someone on the uclibc list saying they got it running on a V850? |
| 22:36:43 | Morn | is there a way to get the tuxscreen to stop waiting for a nfs connection to the localhost to time out |
| 22:36:48 | Morn | it seems to do that on a reboot |
| 22:37:08 | Morn | portmap: server localhost not responding, timed out |
| 22:37:23 | Morn | it has to do that a few times then it mounts the remote filesystem |
| 22:39:40 | pmisfit | Morn: nfs connection to localhost? that's interesting. can i ask why? |
| 22:40:00 | Morn | I'm not connecting to the localhost |
| 22:40:07 | Morn | I'm connecting to my ultrasparc |
| 22:40:14 | Morn | but it always has that message |
| 22:40:19 | Morn | and it takes forever to do it |
| 22:40:34 | pmisfit | i'm confused where the localhost part comes in to play |
| 22:40:46 | pmisfit | ah. have you tried nolock? |
| 22:40:47 | Morn | so am I |
| 22:40:51 | Morn | nolock? |
| 22:41:15 | pmisfit | mount -o nolock ultrasparc:/export/files /mnt/files |
| 22:41:35 | pmisfit | it may be trying to connect to the rpc daemon, which isn't running. |
| 22:41:41 | Morn | ah |
| 22:41:45 | Morn | let me try that |
| 22:42:29 | scanline | is away: still building a space invaders game with logic gates |
| 22:44:05 | Morn | that did it |
| 22:44:13 | pmisfit | cool. |
| 22:44:15 | Morn | but now it locks up on the pivot root |
| 22:44:17 | Morn | argh |
| 22:44:33 | pmisfit | hasn't tried pivot_root yet |
| 22:44:57 | Morn | I'm trying to pivot root to a familar install |
| 22:45:00 | Morn | then put opie on |
| 22:45:05 | pmisfit | i would guess same problem. look in your fstab, make sure nolock is in there too. |
| 22:45:53 | Morn | actually it says the ultrasparc isn't responding |
| 22:46:06 | Morn | and I think it is stupid enough to pivot_root to a blank filesystem |
| 22:47:14 | pmisfit | they have an annoying tendency to do what you tell 'em, not what you want ;-) |
| 22:47:22 | pmisfit | these computer things. |
| 22:47:36 | Morn | I hate it when they do that |
| 22:47:45 | Morn | the question is why it can't mount the nfs share |
| 22:47:56 | Morn | nfs works different under solaris |
| 22:48:04 | Morn | so I'm kind of just playing around |
| 22:48:37 | pmisfit | oh. |
| 22:49:10 | pmisfit | don't remember much solaris anymore... |
| 22:49:36 | pmisfit | i think it uses /etc/exports, and i think there is a way to tell it to let root mount the fs |
| 22:49:37 | Morn | I like solaris on this machine |
| 22:49:50 | pmisfit | wishes he had an ultrasparc |
| 22:49:53 | Morn | I had to edit /etc/dfs/dfsexports I think it was |
| 22:50:08 | Morn | and tell it what machine had root access |
| 22:50:27 | Morn | it was /etc/dfs/dfstab |
| 22:50:34 | pmisfit | ah yes... is starting to come back to me, like a bad burrito... |
| 22:51:03 | pmisfit | in any case, i would first make sure all the fstabs that the tux are using have nolock in 'em |
| 22:51:05 | Morn | the bad part is it mounted the nfs share in testing |
| 22:51:19 | Morn | when I just did it from the shell |
| 22:51:22 | pmisfit | ah. |
| 22:51:33 | Morn | so I modified /etc/pcmcia/network.opts to do it automatically |
| 22:51:35 | Morn | now it doesn't work |
| 22:51:40 | Morn | and I can't get into the box |
| 22:51:40 | pmisfit | ???? |
| 22:51:51 | pmisfit | never thought of putting that into network.opts... hmm |
| 22:52:00 | pmisfit | i usually put mounts in /etc/fstab. |
| 22:52:11 | Morn | yes, it mounts the nfs mount, then does the pivot_root |
| 22:52:16 | Morn | all in the network.opts |
| 22:52:23 | Morn | I documented how to do this in wiki |
| 22:52:35 | pmisfit | goes diving for his network.opts file |
| 22:53:06 | pmisfit | very cool. i've always been nervous about doing all this stuff in /linuxrc |
| 22:53:19 | Morn | I have it do the pivot_root and then run the new linuxrc |
| 22:53:51 | file | sighs |
| 22:53:55 | file | icewm won't start on TinyX |
| 22:54:42 | mallum | file: do you get an error ? |
| 22:55:33 | pmisfit | does solaris log what is happening with nfs mounts? |
| 22:55:46 | pmisfit | also, do you have tcpdump or snoop? |
| 23:00:58 | BZFlag | steps in. |
| 23:01:06 | BZFlag | there is a reason it's in /linuxrc. |
| 23:01:34 | BZFlag | all binaries running on the system need to be stopped and restarted in order to really do a pivot_root. |
| 23:01:51 | BZFlag | when /linuxrc is running, it is the only thing running. |
| 23:02:05 | Morn | so I shouldn't do this from network.opts? |
| 23:02:12 | Morn | it worked before |
| 23:02:23 | BZFlag | so when it execs another binary, that is the only one that will have to exit before the old root can get unmounted. |
| 23:02:26 | Morn | the real trouble is the nfs mount is failing |
| 23:02:41 | BZFlag | in network.opts cardmgr etc is also running. |
| 23:03:14 | BZFlag | and any mounts that exist under the old root (like /var at present) will need to be unmounted first. |
| 23:03:42 | BZFlag | well, ok, they could be unmounted after the pivot_root but they need to be unmounted before the old root can be unmounted. |
| 23:04:31 | BZFlag | so in my /linuxrc I try to mount hda1 and/or nfs and then pivot_root there with nothing else mounted including /var and /proc and with no other programs running. |
| 23:04:41 | BZFlag | that's why cardmgr is started with a -o |
| 23:05:04 | pmisfit | watches the fog clear from in front of his eyes |
| 23:05:20 | BZFlag | and that's why udhcpc does not work cause it would get started by the /linuxrc calling cardmgr and would not exit. |
| 23:05:34 | BZFlag | therefore locking the old root filesystem. |
| 23:05:59 | Morn | I'm not using dhcp though |
| 23:06:01 | Morn | but I see your point |
| 23:06:07 | BZFlag | so udhcpc needs to know that cardmgr is in once mode. I explained this to david hinds and he agreed. |
| 23:06:23 | pmisfit | marvels at how much cleaner nfsrooting is on netbsd than linux |
| 23:07:00 | BZFlag | pcmcia-cs 3.1.33 is supposed to include an environment variable to indicate that cardmgr is in -o mode. I just have not gotten back to fixing the scripts. |
| 23:07:41 | BZFlag | pmisfit: linux can do clean nfsroot as the same as bsd. just not with a pcmcia card. |
| 23:07:54 | BZFlag | iirc bsd can't ever do nfsroot with pcmcia. |
| 23:08:00 | Morn | ok |
| 23:08:08 | Morn | I got the nfs mount to work properly |
| 23:08:21 | Morn | so now I should edit /etc/linuxrc |
| 23:08:23 | pmisfit | i nfsboot a laptop every day with netbsd. |
| 23:08:23 | Morn | err |
| 23:08:30 | Morn | rather /linuxrc |
| 23:08:40 | BZFlag | pmisfit: yeah? cool! I wonder when that got added. |
| 23:08:53 | BZFlag | pmisfit: what do they do with the pcmcia daemon? |
| 23:08:58 | pmisfit | BZFlag: 1.5 |
| 23:09:20 | cbiffle | Morn: I've found it useful to modify my /linuxrc to give me a shell early on; otherwise I can't control how it boots, and since it won't recognize CF inserted after boot, I have to boot with the hard disk if I want to modify the contents. |
| 23:09:43 | cbiffle | Morn: I'll then set it up to look for files like /nfs-boot or /disk-boot to choose how to bring the system up |
| 23:10:14 | pmisfit | BZFlag: pcmcia is built into the kernel. tell it your rootfs is on, say, tlp0, and to use nfs. the kernel does dhcp, gets your ip, mounts the fs, it's a thing of beauty. |
| 23:10:24 | BZFlag | cbiffle: that's why there is the commented out shell line in /linuxrc. ;-) |
| 23:10:53 | BZFlag | wishes there was a clean way to detect a button press on boot and spawn a shell then. |
| 23:10:58 | cbiffle | BZFlag: Yes, but it doesn't help much until I change the if statements to not rely on the appearance of block devices. |
| 23:11:23 | cbiffle | BZFlag: btw, do you have any suggestions for why my phone doesn't see Compactflash inserted after boot? |
| 23:11:36 | cbiffle | BZFlag: It notices the card insertion but doesn't map the device properly. |
| 23:11:42 | BZFlag | pmisfit: so when pcmcia is built into the kernel, any discovered cards are started automatically? can they later be unloaded? |
| 23:12:11 | pmisfit | BZFlag: well, i haven't tried to unload a card that my / and /usr are mounted on yet ;-) |
| 23:12:15 | BZFlag | cbiffle: cardmgr is running ok? |
| 23:12:26 | cbiffle | BZFlag: I see it in ps listings. Any diagnostics you could suggest? |
| 23:12:38 | cbiffle | BZFlag: as with pmisfit, my systems usually have it built into the kernel. :-) |
| 23:13:02 | BZFlag | cbiffle: what log output do you get on insert? |
| 23:13:18 | cbiffle | Well, a bunch of could-not-perform-resets, but it says that regardless of the card. |
| 23:14:16 | pmisfit | BZFlag: thanks for explaining what /linuxrc is doing. |
| 23:14:49 | BZFlag | pmisfit: no prob pass it on. ;-) |
| 23:15:13 | BZFlag | cbiffle: any difference in the log for on boot and after boot? |
| 23:15:48 | cbiffle | Not really. It's hard to tell, though, because currently a lot of my boot process crashes horribly and blows stack traces. :-) (Tim suggests reinstalling inferno...hm.) |
| 23:16:20 | pmisfit | cbiffle: i have had the same problem. do you have a ksymoops of it? |
| 23:16:32 | BZFlag | heh, I just wanna torture you more. ;-) jk |
| 23:17:06 | BZFlag | pmisfit: cbiffle: confirm that /etc/pcmcia/config.opts has all lines commented out. |
| 23:17:22 | pmisfit | checks |
| 23:17:44 | cbiffle | BZFlag: Will do so later. I'm still trying to diagnose my sudden hardware problems. |
| 23:17:49 | cbiffle | pmisfit: What is a ksymoops? |
| 23:18:15 | cbiffle | BZFlag: The entire DSP board seems to have stopped working, as far as I can tell. |
| 23:18:36 | pmisfit | cbiffle: http://www.gnu.org/directory/ksymoops.html |
| 23:19:13 | pmisfit | basically, it decodes those stack traces and gives you symbolic names, easier to debug |
| 23:19:28 | BZFlag | argh... rxvt is not a dependacy of Xbdev. |
| 23:19:49 | BZFlag | smacks TomW up side the head. |
| 23:19:52 | vosque | rawr. |
| 23:19:55 | cbiffle | pmisfit: I think I've just borked my userland somehow and have the full intention of reinstalling it. However, if the phone is as fried as it appears, I can't afford to invest the time anymore. |
| 23:20:05 | cbiffle | vosque: Booga. |
| 23:20:16 | | cbiffle: excuse me? |
| 23:20:16 | cbiffle | ibot: vosque lieks the cheese. |
| 23:20:29 | pmisfit | BZFlag: wonders of wonders... config.opts hass all kinds of goofy stuff in it! |
| 23:20:50 | pmisfit | "exclude irq 4.... raycs..." wtf? |
| 23:20:50 | vosque | cbiffle: coming in at all today? Or shall I just pretend you fell in a ditch or something? |
| 23:20:54 | vosque | Because that would be fun! |
| 23:21:23 | pmisfit | BZFlag: shall i take that out of there and commit the change to cvs? |
| 23:22:15 | cbiffle | vosque: I'm having another one of those hangover-without-drinking mornings. I can't really move my head. |
| 23:22:25 | vosque | ew. |
| 23:22:28 | vosque | Okay |
| 23:22:34 | vosque | pretends cbiffle fell in a ditch. |
| 23:22:52 | Morn | I see |
| 23:23:00 | vosque | Want to stop by later and get to the bottom of your tux wackiness, assuming your head clears up? |
| 23:23:00 | Morn | cardmgr is never exiting for me |
| 23:23:13 | Morn | so my changes in linuxrc never get run |
| 23:23:49 | cbiffle | vosque: Sure. I really sort of suspect either (a) the DSP itself has died or (b) the DSP has somehow lost its microcode. |
| 23:24:14 | vosque | wonders how that's possible if we aren't talking to it.. |
| 23:24:24 | vosque | oh wait |
| 23:24:24 | vosque | we are. |
| 23:24:53 | cbiffle | vosque: *nod* The system speaks to the DSP quite a bit, and it's also reprogrammable, though it hasn't become clear if it's programmable in-system or not. |
| 23:25:21 | cbiffle | vosque: I almost wonder if in all those horrible crashing kernel situations something poked the wrong word in RAM. :-) |
| 23:25:44 | vosque | hmm.. |
| 23:26:00 | vosque | well, if it's reporgrammable, we should be able to pull the code off of one of mine then. |
| 23:26:05 | vosque | so all may not be lost. |
| 23:26:15 | cbiffle | *nod* I'm not quite resigned yet, just close. :-) |
| 23:29:11 | | TomW was last seen on #tuxscreen 11 hours, 15 minutes and 18 seconds ago, saying: fontenot: tell you what, I am beat, let's pick this up again tonite? [Thu Apr 25 13:13:53 2002] |
| 23:29:11 | cbiffle | ibot: seen TomW |
| 23:29:20 | | cbiffle: sorry... |
| 23:29:20 | cbiffle | ibot: you're wrong! mwa ha ha ha! |
| 23:29:20 | TomW | yawns |
| 23:29:37 | | TomW was last seen on #tuxscreen 17 seconds ago, saying: yawns [Fri Apr 26 00:29:20 2002] |
| 23:29:37 | cbiffle | ibot: seen TomW now? |
| 23:29:41 | | cbiffle: i'm not following you... |
| 23:29:41 | cbiffle | ibot: That's better. |
| 23:29:50 | TomW | cbiffle: whats up? |
| 23:30:37 | TomW | fontenot: think that we will finish up tonite? I hope so, I need to move on to paying work. |
| 23:31:32 | cbiffle | TomW: Taunting the bot. How're you? |
| 23:31:58 | TomW | tired, bleary eyed. I haven't run the midnite shift in a while! |
| 23:36:18 | pmisfit | TomW: i left the beast running all night with a qiv slideshow running over x... no prob. |
| 23:36:47 | TomW | pmisfit: cool, nice to know that the work is stable. |
| 23:38:10 | TomW | pmisfit: I tried compiling MatchBox, but it complains about a missing apm.h header. That file is deeply embedded in the tinyx source tree, doesn't look good right now... |
| 23:40:40 | TomW | mallum: hi |
| 23:41:14 | TomW | mallum: matchbox almost compiles, almost. |
| 23:42:44 | cbiffle | file: viagra O.O |
| 23:42:46 | mallum | TomW: fontenot got it working |
| 23:42:59 | mallum | TomW: whys it not compiling ? |
| 23:43:02 | TomW | mallum: good! |
| 23:43:17 | TomW | miniapm.c:28: apm.h: No such file or directory |
| 23:43:17 | TomW | make[3]: *** [miniapm.o] Error 1 |
| 23:43:17 | TomW | make[3]: Leaving directory `/OldOS/TuxScreen/buildroot-tux/build/matchbox/util' |
| 23:43:39 | mallum | TomW: oh yeah dont worry about that ... |
| 23:43:43 | TomW | that file is deeply embedded in the tinyx source tree. |
| 23:44:11 | mallum | TomW: I had autoconf logic wrapped around that but it broke on some peoples set up |
| 23:44:32 | mallum | TomW: just open up util/Makefile.am and remove miniapm from bin_programs |
| 23:44:39 | TomW | k |
| 23:44:40 | mallum | TomW: then rerun autoconfigure |
| 23:44:54 | mallum | TomW: matchbox has built, its just the dock apps |
| 23:46:35 | mallum | TomW: did I show you my new tuxscreen case ? |
| 23:47:54 | TomW | mallum: no, you have it packaged better now? |
| 23:48:37 | pmisfit | is away: food |
| 23:49:10 | mallum | TomW: http://www.handhelds.org/~mallum/screenshots/cardtux.png |
| 23:49:17 | mallum | TomW: :) |
| 23:50:40 | Morn | argh, tim left |
| 23:50:54 | file | is here |
| 23:51:07 | Morn | file: do you know why the nfs mount works |
| 23:51:18 | file | it wokrs because it chooses to. |
| 23:51:22 | Morn | but then when I pivot_root to it I get nfs server not responding |
| 23:51:34 | file | not compatible? |
| 23:51:51 | Morn | befor the pivot_root I can use it fine |
| 23:51:58 | file | I have no idea |
| 23:52:00 | Morn | I can ls and mkdir and so on |
| 23:52:21 | Morn | reflashes the ramdisk yet again |
| 23:52:34 | file | you can only flash so much! |
| 23:52:54 | Morn | flash ram is good for like 100,000 flashes |
| 23:53:02 | Morn | I seriously doubt I'll wear it out |
| 23:53:16 | file | one of my friends did it to his Helio... |
| 23:53:19 | TomW | mallum: heh, you have that portable now? Bluetooth /Wifi + battery? |
| 23:53:39 | TomW | mallum: matchbox compile ran ok. |
| 23:53:51 | file | what the heck is with black hair now? is everybody obsessed with it? |
| 23:54:07 | file | is watching a Sum 41 video, and they all have black hair |
| 23:54:14 | Morn | is still blonde, ok? |
| 23:54:24 | file | I've never dyed my hair |
| 23:54:24 | TomW | mallum: where do I look for the dirs to put stuff onto the tux? |
| 23:54:31 | file | tempted to go with orange hair, or redh ilites |
| 23:54:34 | Morn | nor have I |
| 23:54:36 | file | er red hilites |
| 23:55:06 | mallum | TomW: do a 'DESTDIR=./build make install' |
| 23:55:37 | mallum | TomW: that should work, you make have to create the build ( or whatever ) dir first |
| 23:55:56 | TomW | mallum: or, "DESTDIR=$(TARGET_DIR)/usr/X11R6 make install" ? |
| 23:56:17 | TomW | mallum: ... from inside my makefile.. |
| 23:57:13 | file | sends stuff to his Cybiko |
| 23:57:47 | mallum | TomW: if you do just a 'make install' it will install to /usr/local |
| 23:58:35 | mallum | TomW: uh this is for the buildroot ? |
| 23:59:04 | TomW | mallum: yes, I want to target into .../buildroot/root/usr/X11R6 |
