| 00:35:27 | pmisfit | Tangent: did you have to do any changes in the ttySA driver in order to get ttySA1 to work? |
| 00:49:15 | Tangent | pmisfit: Nope.. just edited arch.h in the kernel source... |
| 00:49:28 | Tangent | pmisfit: There's something in there which tells it how many ports there are... |
| 00:49:50 | Tangent | pmisfit: Can't remember exactly what.. I expect it's present in there.. just commented out by default |
| 00:50:15 | Tangent | isn't sure it was arch.h now... and will have to look to be sure |
| 00:52:31 | scanline | is back (gone 20:42:06) |
| 00:59:07 | pmisfit | Tangent: thanks, i'll look it up. |
| 00:59:33 | pmisfit | actually, it thinks there are 2 ports, and it seems happy to send data to them |
| 00:59:53 | pmisfit | but no transitions on those pins, according to my scope |
| 01:00:27 | pmisfit | i.e. ttySA1 shows up in /proc/tty/drivers/ttySA, and the counters increment if i send data to it. |
| 01:01:23 | pmisfit | dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/ttySA1 ... nothing coming out of the pin itself. |
| 01:46:54 | cbiffle | ENQ |
| 02:26:47 | root | when I run "c/u D!/tmp/tmp/all_1999.gz F!all" It does not fond tmp dir or the program, am I missing something? |
| 02:27:03 | root | Sorry in Inferno emulator that is |
| 02:40:36 | | Disconnect was last seen on #handhelds.org 10 hours, 37 minutes and 26 seconds ago, saying: will bbl [Sat Apr 20 17:03:10 2002] |
| 02:40:36 | scanline | ibot, seen Disconnect? |
| 03:08:42 | pmisfit | is away: reading peripheral pin controller section of ARM manual.. |
| 03:56:24 | pmisfit | is back (gone 00:47:42) |
| 03:56:47 | pmisfit | ttySA1 now working. |
| 03:57:59 | pmisfit | Tangent: in shannon.c, PPAR |= PPAR_UPR wants to be PPAR &= ~PPAR_UPR; |
| 03:58:30 | pmisfit | otherwise it tries to communicate on GPIO pins 14/15 |
| 03:58:54 | pmisfit | but those pins are not connected to the uart because they're cleared in GAFR in the same function. |
| 03:59:27 | pmisfit | cool if i add this to the wiki? |
| 04:01:59 | scanline | Hm... this new ucb1x00 kernel driver is a pain in the arse |
| 04:05:39 | pmisfit | scanline: how so? |
| 04:05:46 | scanline | Hm... |
| 04:06:16 | scanline | Well, from what GoRK was telling me the pressure returned by the kernel isn't a good way to determine when a pen-up occurs |
| 04:06:35 | scanline | but if I try to determine that by a timeout, it doens't work very well either |
| 04:06:51 | scanline | Maybe I'll just try using the pressure to detect a penup and see if it works at all... |
| 04:07:14 | scanline | Looks like it's returning a value under 100 just before the pen is released most of the time |
| 04:07:59 | pmisfit | haven't messed with the ts stuff. but was curious how well (or not well) it's going. |
| 04:08:15 | pmisfit | sounds like not well yet. |
| 04:08:15 | scanline | ok |
| 04:08:35 | scanline | Well, I'll try hacking out all this timeout stuff and making the driver simpler... |
| 04:19:06 | scanline | wow.. i think pen-up works now. But my IIR filter is broke. |
| 04:33:19 | scanline | yay, touchscreen works now |
| 04:33:31 | scanline | but to be of any use i need to get buildroot to install the calibrator.. |
| 04:34:06 | levi_ | Uh oh. After copying blob to the tuxscreen, it doesn't seem to do anything. |
| 04:35:23 | levi_ | Oh whew. There it goes. |
| 04:37:55 | scanline | whips up a snazzy touchscreen calibrator theme :) |
| 04:52:33 | levi_ | Woo, Linux is running. |
| 04:56:59 | pmisfit | scanline: kick ass! now, buildroot, i understand, if you want help with that. |
| 05:12:57 | scanline | cool |
| 05:14:17 | cbiffle | Having some odd issues with the touchscreen under a build of current CVS. Who should I talk to? :-) |
| 05:14:42 | scanline | hehe... microwindows or picogui? |
| 05:14:49 | scanline | cuz i just fixed picogui somewhat |
| 05:15:08 | cbiffle | Mmm, okay. Google for it in the Wiki then, or do you have CVS suggestions? |
| 05:15:16 | cbiffle | (I'd tried MicroWindows.) |
| 05:15:37 | scanline | I dunno much about the status of microwindows except that it doesn't yet work. I'd find CosmicPenguin if you can |
| 05:15:42 | cbiffle | Should I see noise if I was to, say, cat /dev/ucb1x00-ts? |
| 05:15:57 | scanline | yes, i think so |
| 05:16:12 | cbiffle | *nod* Yeah, I have no evidence that the kernel drivers work with this particular screen. |
| 05:16:38 | cbiffle | (Though it worked well in Inferno.) |
| 05:17:48 | scanline | Well, I'd suggest trying picogui except that buildroot doesn't set up the calibrator yet, so you couldn't tell if it was working :) |
| 05:18:07 | scanline | I'll work on that soon, but at the moment I'm about to play some Starcraft with friends |
| 05:19:01 | cbiffle | Sounds good. :-) I'll keep an eye out. This is the first time I've actually caught a human on #tuxscreen. |
| 05:19:08 | scanline | wow.. |
| 05:19:12 | scanline | yeah, the channel can be quiet |
| 05:19:19 | scanline | you can count on me to be noisy if I'm around ;) |
| 05:19:36 | cbiffle | Okay. Have fun. |
| 05:19:40 | scanline | thanks |
| 05:48:43 | pmisfit | is away: sawing.... |
| 06:28:21 | Silasc | Well I turned my phone into a B-R-I-C-K |
| 10:34:55 | scanline | http://picogui.org/sshotdetail.php?index=70 |
| 10:37:14 | scanline | Now for some buildroot hacking... |
| 10:43:29 | Tangent | scanline: Nice :) |
| 10:43:49 | scanline | thanks |
| 10:49:51 | | GoRK was last seen on #tuxscreen 5 days, 14 hours, 53 minutes and 49 seconds ago, saying: is idle, automatically dead [bX(l/on p/on)] [Mon Apr 15 20:56:02 2002] |
| 10:49:52 | scanline | ibot, seen GoRK? |
| 11:28:59 | Tangent | Silasc : How'd you brick your phone? |
| 12:07:32 | scanline | does another make clean on buildroot.. ugh. |
| 12:24:32 | scanline | watches the little dots.. |
| 12:55:21 | scanline | watches more dots... |
| 13:06:28 | scanline | Is there any software already written to take framebuffer screenshots on the Tux? |
| 13:08:58 | prpplague | howdy howdy |
| 13:09:25 | scanline | hi prpplague |
| 13:09:50 | scanline | I'm close to having picogui running correctly on the tux again |
| 13:10:04 | prpplague | scanline: morning, yer up early, i thought you college student sleep late? |
| 13:10:31 | scanline | Well.. I was up late friday, went to bed at 6AM, got up at 6PM, and here I am... |
| 13:10:45 | prpplague | lol |
| 13:11:20 | Tangent | Heh.. those are my kind of hours :) |
| 13:17:35 | scanline | Hmm.. takes the tux a couple seconds to decompress and dither the background image |
| 13:32:33 | scanline | is away: a quick bite of pseudofood for something breakfast-like |
| 13:40:47 | scanline | is back (gone 00:08:14) |
| 15:28:43 | scanline | hopes this works... so he can commit to CVS, upload some binaries, and take a nap |
| 15:29:16 | prpplague | wishes he could take a nap |
| 15:56:53 | scanline | commits, and does a fresh buildroot compile |
| 16:06:33 | scanline | is away: ZzZzz |
| 16:59:52 | silasc | when I boot linux it is in a endless loop cycle, but my mem card is mounted and seated properly??? any input |
| 17:13:15 | KeyserSoze | silasc: funny thing: my tuxscreen just did the same thing, a half dozen times. I wiggled the power cord, and it booted okay. |
| 17:18:04 | silasc | ok I am trying to put a different kernel on it. The wierd thing is this is the inital load on this phone, I put a PCMCIA card with Flash mem on it and it workas ok, but whrn I type root at the prompt it kills it |
| 17:19:13 | TomW | silasc: What kernel source are you using? |
| 17:19:50 | silasc | well I tried 0.5 and now 0.4 |
| 17:20:32 | TomW | Oh, you are not building a kernel then, you are downloading an image, then attempting to get the image installed. |
| 17:21:12 | silasc | Correct |
| 17:21:23 | TomW | which version of blob are you using? |
| 17:21:37 | TomW | 2.0.4? |
| 17:22:11 | silasc | Yeah I guess that's it |
| 17:24:05 | TomW | Well, when the Tux boots you get a version message printed out by blob. What version does it say? This is across the serial line, it does not appear on the LCD. |
| 17:25:25 | silasc | Ok hang on in the process of uploading a new image! |
| 17:27:38 | silasc | what type of 32 mb sodimm chip can I p/u at compusa to put in these things????? |
| 18:29:02 | pmisfit | is back (gone 12:40:20) |
| 18:29:24 | pmisfit | silasc: any luck? |
| 18:31:55 | silasc | Well I didn't get it working with Linux, I am going to try microWin now |
| 18:32:08 | pmisfit | ???? |
| 18:32:22 | pmisfit | you have microwin running on something besides linux? |
| 18:32:36 | silasc | well sorry that didn't make sense |
| 18:32:42 | silasc | tired!!!! |
| 18:32:56 | pmisfit | hey, i figured you were trying something fancy like running netbsd on the thing ;-) |
| 18:33:26 | silasc | Well I tried loading the tuxscreen kernel and image but it don't want to work |
| 18:33:35 | silasc | So now I am going to try the microwin |
| 18:33:47 | pmisfit | hey, i don't want to work either. i can understand. |
| 18:34:08 | silasc | Not yet |
| 18:34:31 | pmisfit | heavy beatings sometimes help... |
| 18:34:45 | pmisfit | works on me, anyway, not sure if it'll work on a tux, tho. |
| 18:35:02 | pmisfit | what image are you trying to download? |
| 18:35:29 | silasc | well my buddy has it working right now |
| 18:35:52 | pmisfit | well, if he likes beer, and you have some, then your problems are solved! |
| 18:36:23 | silasc | well the v2 root did not work, so I am trying the v1 |
| 18:36:31 | silasc | Yeah unless I drink it all |
| 18:36:36 | silasc | trying to get this working |
| 18:36:39 | pmisfit | seriously, if you don't mind answering some boring questions, and starting from the beginning, i can probably help. |
| 18:37:17 | silasc | alright well lemme try this and see if it works I am just about to load the flash |
| 18:51:41 | pmisfit | is away: doing non-computer stuff for a change |
| 18:59:10 | Tangent | pmisfit: Freak |
| 18:59:17 | Tangent | :D |
| 19:15:20 | GPSFan | Tangent: howdy, I successfully fdisk'd and mkfs'd my cf card. I put 2 partitions on a fat16, and a Linux partition, Linux sees them both at the proper size, but WinCE & win95 both see the cf card as a 64Mb card. is this a normal Windowsizm? |
| 19:16:32 | Tangent | GPSFan: If the FAT partition is 64Mb, then that's normal... |
| 19:16:44 | Tangent | GPSFan: Windows will blatantly ignore all partitions except the first one |
| 19:18:11 | GPSFan | Tangent: using fdisk I set the first partition to 20Mb, and the secont to what was left (44Mb) the first is FAT16, the second type 83. I used mkfs.ext2 and made a file system on it, and the second partition works fine under linux. |
| 19:19:29 | KeyserSoze | GPSFan: did you format with a PC, or on the tuxscreen? |
| 19:20:59 | GPSFan | I formatted the linux partition with the iPaq, and at first didn't format the FAT16, windoze saw it as 64MB, I then tried formatting it with Win95, ...still 64Mb. I've never tried formatting a FAT16 partition with Linux before. |
| 19:22:52 | KeyserSoze | would it help if the first partition was ext2, and the second fat16? then maybe will find the start of the fat partition, and see the rest of the disk as that partition, which would be okay because it'd be the last partition. |
| 19:23:02 | KeyserSoze | or maybe windows won't see ANY partitions if you do that. |
| 19:23:39 | KeyserSoze | s/then maybe will/then maybe WINDOWS will/ |
| 19:24:47 | GPSFan | KeyserSoze: usually Windows will blatantly ignore all partitions except the first one. |
| 19:26:34 | KeyserSoze | not XP or 98. the machine I am typing on is linux, but has a dual boot of 98 AFTER the reiserFS partitions. it used to have a XP install there, too. |
| 19:26:53 | KeyserSoze | (98 is on FAT32, XP was on NTFS) |
| 19:27:37 | KeyserSoze | is "blatantly ignore all partitions except the first one" a compact flash specific item? |
| 19:28:55 | GPSFan | KeyserSoze: according to Tangent, it applies to Wince. I'm trying to get my iPaq to dual boot and not remove CE since I have a paying customer that needs some CE work done. |
| 19:29:09 | KeyserSoze | ah, never used CE. |
| 19:30:12 | GPSFan | KeyserSoze:much like Win98, only not as good...;>) |
| 19:30:19 | KeyserSoze | LOL. |
| 19:30:22 | Tangent | GPSFan: I have a 500M CE partition, and CE is fine with that.. I made it type 6 - FAT16, and created the filesystem with linux |
| 19:31:15 | Tangent | GPSFan: Definately doesn't sound right that windows thinks it's 64MB.... How about if CE formats the partition for you? |
| 19:32:15 | GPSFan | Tangent: CE thinks it is already formatted, what is ce command to force format it? |
| 19:33:42 | Tangent | GPSFan: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda1 |
| 19:34:06 | Tangent | CE will format it if it's not formatted... don't know of a way to force it otherwise |
| 19:36:19 | KeyserSoze | you guys know where to find C source code to do matrix inversions? I only need up to 6x6 elements. |
| 19:37:29 | GPSFan | Tangent: doesn't like /dev/hda1. should that ve /dev/discs/disc0/part1? |
| 19:37:42 | GPSFan | s/ve/be |
| 19:38:22 | Tangent | GPSFan: Yep... depending on the devfsness of your kernel |
| 19:38:39 | Tangent | adds that to the dictionalry |
| 19:40:24 | GPSFan | Tangent: your images use devfs, and BTW every time I remove & re-insert the cf, the disc# increments, This is in the fromt slot. first time after reboot it's /dev/discs/disc1, then disc2, now I'm at disc3. interesting huh? |
| 19:41:51 | BZFlag | Tangent: that dd will not cause CE to repartition though. is that intentional? |
| 19:42:10 | Tangent | BZFlag: Yep.. that was intententional |
| 19:42:23 | BZFlag | ok |
| 19:43:23 | Tangent | GPSFan: Yep.. that's weird... I get that on my laptop too when I forget to do a cardctl eject |
| 19:43:38 | Tangent | BZFlag: Just created a login for Disconnect on my box... |
| 19:44:12 | GPSFan | Tangent: the dd said (after a bit) no space left on device, this sounds normal. |
| 19:44:24 | BZFlag | yep |
| 19:44:49 | BZFlag | /speechoff |
| 19:44:56 | BZFlag | oops. ;-) |
| 19:45:12 | GPSFan | Tangent: cardctl eject, sorry I forgot to do that. now that part makes sense. |
| 19:45:24 | Tangent | GPSFan: I never do that on the iPAQ either... |
| 19:47:23 | GPSFan | Tangent: should I be able to mount the FAT16 partition, seems like I should, I tried and mount said "failled: Invalid argument" do I need to specify -t vfat? |
| 19:49:46 | GPSFan | Tangent: with -t vfat mount responds FAT: bogus logical sector size 0 ... VFS: can't find a valid FAT filesystem on dev |
| 19:53:19 | Tangent | GPSFan: You won't be able to mount it after the DD |
| 19:53:31 | Tangent | GPSFan: We just trashed the filesystem so that CE will ahve to reformat it |
| 19:53:52 | GPSFan | Tangent: ah ok, I'll boot up CE and give it a try. |
| 19:55:53 | GPSFan | Tangent: that did it, now CE sees a 20Mb partition (after it formatted it. Yippee!, Thanks. |
| 19:56:55 | Tangent | COol :) |
| 19:58:44 | GPSFan | Tangent: so I'm ready for the next step, ie. getting intimate on the cf. any tips? ;>) |
| 19:59:08 | Tangent | GPSFan: Assuming you have working network etc in the initrd, then there's a couple of options... |
| 19:59:58 | Tangent | GPSFan: I believe I was smart enough to include all the stuff the standard intimate installer needs, so you can pretty much follow the directions on the web page... (actually, i think there's a modified version of the install script in /bin too) |
| 20:00:09 | GPSFan | yes, my network card works under your images just fine. |
| 20:00:11 | Tangent | GPSFan: Or alternatively, debootstrap should be working for getting a debian image on there |
| 20:00:26 | root | OK So I got microWIN loaded when I try to load an App, it locks up, anyone familiar with this prob? |
| 20:00:56 | silasc | OK So I got microWIN loaded when I try to load an App, it locks up, anyone familiar with this prob? |
| 20:05:42 | Tangent | GPSFan: The installing part isn't too well tested... (unsurprisingly)... I've used it once... |
| 20:10:03 | GPSFan | Tangent: would that script be named installer? |
| 20:10:12 | Tangent | GPSFan: That's the one |
| 20:11:25 | Tangent | BZFlag: Disconnect would like some modifications making to IrcActionHook so that actions are logged differently to messages inside ibot, and can then be filtered out from the stats... |
| 20:11:27 | GPSFan | so I should just run it after verifying that my netwirk is operational, I guess I should also mount the cf as /mnt/intimate? |
| 20:11:50 | Tangent | GPSFan: Yep... but.... |
| 20:12:12 | Tangent | GPSFan: I'm not sure exactly how operational that script is... you'll almost certainly need to copy it to /tmp |
| 20:12:33 | Tangent | GPSFan: I suspect you'll also need to do 'export INTIMATE_NOMD5=True' |
| 20:12:42 | Tangent | GPSFan: The paths in the script may be wrong... |
| 20:13:04 | Tangent | GPSFan: Bascially.. it may need a little tweaking to get it really working... |
| 20:13:15 | Tangent | GPSFan: Just thought of an alternative too... |
| 20:13:31 | Tangent | GPSFan: There's a .tgz of intimate that you could wget and then untar |
| 20:13:53 | GPSFan | ok, |
| 20:14:41 | Tangent | GPSFan: My plan was to make a debootstrap package list to replace the current installer... hence my work has been going into getting debootstrap working properly rather than tweaking the existing install script |
| 20:15:41 | GPSFan | Tangent: ok, I'm game to try your debootstrap, now my wince is safe and cf is working. |
| 20:16:31 | Tangent | GPSFan: OK... at the moment, it's gonna be debian woody... we'll change the apt sources.list once it's installed to get the xserver etc from hh.org |
| 20:16:55 | Tangent | GPSFan: Is the linux partition formatted yet? What format do you want to use? (I'm using ext3) |
| 20:17:09 | GPSFan | Tangent: sounds good, yes as a 44M ext2. |
| 20:17:24 | Tangent | And mounted on /mnt/intimate ? |
| 20:18:09 | GPSFan | yes |
| 20:18:17 | Tangent | debootstrap --arch arm woody /mnt/intimate |
| 20:19:54 | GPSFan | Tangent: id: unknown username: 0 |
| 20:20:12 | Tangent | GPSFan: Nothing to worry about... no /etc/passwd or /etc/group |
| 20:20:29 | Tangent | GPSFan: Tho' I thought I'd fixed that on the latest images... |
| 20:20:48 | Tangent | GPSFan: Do you have busybox ash, or regular ash... (i.e. do you have command history?) |
| 20:20:57 | GPSFan | yes |
| 20:21:20 | GPSFan | have history |
| 20:21:30 | Tangent | GPSFan: debootstrap is broken if command history is working... get newer images from http://ipaq.secret.org.uk/ipaq-dualboot |
| 20:21:36 | Tangent | just newer initrd |
| 20:21:49 | Tangent | I gave up trying to fix busybox ash |
| 20:22:37 | GPSFan | those are the ones I got, dated 18 april |
| 20:28:01 | BZFlag | Tangent: what are they like, and what should htey be like? |
| 20:28:13 | BZFlag | ie: irc log actions |
| 20:28:53 | Tangent | BZFlag: Disconenct is looking for you on #hh.org at the moment |
| 20:33:08 | Silasc | wow |
| 20:33:34 | Silasc | I think I have a bad soDIMM or the socket is bad |
| 20:34:43 | Silasc | 14,1[away0;15 +l14|15-p 0(15working0)14] |
| 20:35:00 | insy[offz | 14,1[back0; 0(15working0)15 17s14] |
| 20:46:34 | Silasc | Hey BZFlag, you know of any bad soDIMM chips or slots?? |
| 21:02:43 | dc_ | :} |
| 21:04:04 | scanline | is back (gone 04:57:31) |
| 21:36:56 | mirkos | q |
| 21:37:04 | mirkos | ;-) |
| 21:37:14 | mirkos | is everyone here ?? |
| 21:38:09 | Tangent | mirkos: There's about 6 billion people here who aren't |
| 21:46:44 | as_ | Evnin all. |
| 21:46:55 | as_ | Got my tux working for the 1st time. |
| 22:01:57 | Tangent | picks up a 40MHZ Arm based webTV box.... |
| 22:02:20 | as_ | Cool. |
| 22:02:53 | Tangent | Actually one of these... http://www.eetimes.com/news/97/966news/netstation.html |
| 22:03:16 | Tangent | Better one.. got piccies.. http://www.homecinemachoice.com/testbench/frame.html?http://www.homecinemachoice.com/testbench/InternetTechnology/NetProducts/NetProductsNetStation.shtml |
| 22:04:28 | as_ | It runs RISCOS? Thats elite. |
| 22:04:38 | as_ | Where did you get it from? |
| 22:06:10 | Tangent | Friend of a friend of a friend who had one for review in 1997 |
| 22:07:03 | as_ | Ive got an A5000 with a 25MHz ARM3 in it. |
| 22:08:09 | Tangent | This thing could do with an ethernet card, but it does have a pcmcia socket at least |
| 22:08:18 | as_ | Wondering how hard it will be to move some of my asm code to the tuxscreen. |
| 22:08:23 | Tangent | I think it'll take a standard riscos network card tho :) |
| 22:08:43 | as_ | Mmm, standard? |
| 22:09:03 | Tangent | That's what mate says... |
| 22:09:11 | Tangent | I never had an archimedes |
| 22:09:38 | as_ | I think the method if networking was called 'econet'. |
| 22:10:09 | as_ | It wasnt on a card though, it was built into the motherboard. |
| 22:10:39 | as_ | There must have been an ethernet card for it, but that would have been later. |
| 22:11:20 | Tangent | The connector on it looks like VMEbus... |
| 22:11:35 | Tangent | well.. that's the connector on the modem card... but we figured it could be replaced |
| 22:14:42 | as_ | The expansion cards were huge things though. |
| 22:14:50 | Tangent | Yeah... I should take a picture... |
| 22:18:23 | as2 | I hate it when that happens. |
| 22:18:33 | as2 | This network must really be having problems. |
| 22:18:50 | as2 | I join a different server, in time to see me say something on the old server. |
| 22:19:00 | as2 | Nanananana-welcome to the twilight zone. |
| 22:32:45 | Tangent | as2 : http://ipaq.secret.org.uk/NetStation/C0_Img.jpg |
| 22:33:38 | Tangent | as2: Modem card is that chuncky thing on the left hand side |
| 22:33:46 | Tangent | as2: Would love to replace that with a NICE |
| 22:33:48 | Tangent | NICE |
| 22:33:49 | Tangent | NIC |
| 22:33:52 | as2 | Hmm. |
| 22:34:04 | Tangent | having serieous trouble typing NIC there |
| 22:35:21 | as2 | Freudian slip. |
| 22:35:32 | as2 | Yes thats the standard backplane connector. |
| 22:36:31 | as2 | Interesting. |
| 22:37:19 | as2 | If you want some technical information, I have the A5000 Tech manuals, and the RISCOS Programmers reference manuals. |
| 22:37:23 | Tangent | It's basically a modified risc pc... We've already found our way into RiscOS |
| 22:38:25 | file | i have a question |
| 22:39:02 | fvgestel | Hi all |
| 22:39:12 | as2 | Ask then file. |
| 22:39:13 | file | waht's a good cheap PDA/general device that will run Linux? |
| 22:39:17 | file | or a gaming console |
| 22:39:36 | fvgestel | Can anyone tell me where to find the latest buildroot? |
| 22:39:52 | fvgestel | the one at the wiki is too old... |
| 22:39:59 | Tangent | good = Psion5MX... cheap=Psion5MX.. will run linux= Psion5MX.... gaming... not Psion.. |
| 22:40:11 | as2 | Dreamcast will run linux. |
| 22:40:18 | file | cheap being 20-30 USD :p |
| 22:40:20 | Tangent | Dreamcast isn't a pda |
| 22:40:28 | file | now there's a challenge |
| 22:40:29 | as2 | He said or gaming console. |
| 22:40:34 | Tangent | Ah.. but now I understand the question... |
| 22:40:43 | Tangent | I was interpretting as PDA that will run lilnux or games |
| 22:41:33 | file | waits |
| 22:42:13 | fvgestel | file : what about the tuxscreen? it can run games... |
| 22:42:14 | as2 | What are you after doing with it gile? |
| 22:42:20 | as2 | Err, file. |
| 22:42:38 | as2 | fvgestel, probably best wait for someone to wake up who knows. |
| 22:42:41 | file | it's $99, or $250 CAD with shipping |
| 22:43:08 | as2 | You can probably pick up a Dreamcast pretty cheep. |
| 22:43:40 | file | uh huh |
| 22:43:50 | as2 | Ive been told damaged ones are being sold on ebay for peanuts only need minor repair to one board. |
| 22:43:52 | file | anything else? |
| 22:43:59 | file | peanuts being? |
| 22:44:07 | fvgestel | file : Yeah I know; I ordered 4 for 400$ and had to pay 750 euros |
| 22:44:28 | KeyserSoze | fvgestel: have you eve used CVS? |
| 22:44:45 | KeyserSoze | http://sourceforge.net/cvs/?group_id=20228 |
| 22:44:45 | KeyserSoze | where it says: ''modulename'' use ''buildroot-tux'' |
| 22:44:59 | fvgestel | keyser: thanx, will go there now |
| 22:45:27 | fvgestel | BTW, if anyone is interested, I've got all 3Com PCMCIA cards going now |
| 22:45:44 | as2 | Cool. |
| 22:46:13 | root | Off the top of anyones head, a link to the cross comiler?????? Please???? |
| 22:46:23 | root | Off the top of anyones head, a link to the cross compiler?????? Please???? |
| 22:46:34 | | toolchain is, like, at http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/Toolchains |
| 22:46:34 | Tangent | ibot toolchain |
| 22:46:50 | file | frowns unhappily |
| 22:46:53 | Silasc | Off the top of anyones head, a link to the cross compiler?????? Please???? |
| 22:47:29 | Tangent | Silasc: ibot just told you the url |
| 22:48:44 | as2 | Is there a back door, or a command line system, or a programming enviroment in Inferno? |
| 22:50:18 | file | sneezes |
| 22:51:13 | mallum | Does the tuxscreen use a touchscreen driver from the rmk patch, or is it in the shannon patch ? |
| 22:52:47 | as2 | sjm :] |
| 22:52:56 | sjm | hi all |
| 22:53:19 | as2 | Powered up a tuxscreen for the first time. |
| 22:53:47 | as2 | I havnt ordered the bits for the power supply, this is grafted to my PC. |
| 22:54:09 | Tangent | as2 : Dial pi for the backdoor... |
| 22:54:24 | Tangent | as2: Can't remember exactly.. something like #3151496254 and it gave you a shell |
| 22:54:33 | file | 3.14159 |
| 22:54:36 | file | that's the first part |
| 22:54:46 | file | well, I dunno the rest |
| 22:55:08 | levi_ | ##314159265359** |
| 22:55:22 | sjm | and you need PFI connected |
| 22:55:30 | as2 | Oh, I need PFI, doh. |
| 22:55:43 | levi_ | PFI? |
| 22:56:25 | as2 | Its a pulse signal from the power supply. |
| 22:56:33 | sjm | levi_: DSP clock. The US power supply provides it, but if you're not using the US supply, you need an external generator. |
| 22:56:34 | Tangent | Power Fail Indicator |
| 22:57:15 | levi_ | Oh. Since I'm using the US power supply, I'm happily ignorant of that. |
| 22:59:38 | as2 | Hmm, what does the standard desktop look like? |
| 22:59:54 | as2 | Ive got New notes/new calls on the screen. |
| 23:00:07 | as2 | That it? |
| 23:00:17 | file | how do I tar a directory? |
| 23:00:41 | levi_ | as2: That's what mine looked like before putting Linux on. |
| 23:01:00 | levi_ | as2: If you do the pi thing, you should get a dialog with a few buttons, one of which will launch an inferno shell |
| 23:01:30 | as2 | Noy happening, but then IVe got no PFI. |
| 23:01:56 | as2 | Do I need PFI to get into the sboot prompt sjm? |
| 23:02:27 | sjm | nope, just press esc at the screen fade in |
| 23:03:06 | levi_ | I had to try the pi thing several times before it worked right. I think you have to do it pretty quickly. |
| 23:03:21 | as2 | Hmm, interesting. |
| 23:03:50 | as2 | Part of my problem with Pi, is this version of Pi rounds up, haha. |
| 23:04:21 | as2 | Damn all that time I spent in math class memorising pi. |
| 23:06:29 | as2 | AHmm, what is failsafe mode? |
| 23:07:06 | levi_ | Is that where it's attempting to dial and download some software? |
| 23:07:21 | as2 | Hmm, yes. |
| 23:07:48 | scanline | is away: dinner-ish-substances to eat |
| 23:07:49 | levi_ | To get out of that, you have to reset, press esc on fade-in, then press 2 afterwards. |
| 23:09:26 | as2 | Hmm, no joy, boots up as normal when I press 2. |
| 23:09:41 | levi_ | Right. What did you want it to do? |
| 23:10:15 | as2 | I want a command prompt. |
| 23:10:47 | levi_ | You can get a bootloader prompt by hitting cntl-p after esc, I think. |
| 23:11:05 | levi_ | For an inferno prompt I think you have to do the pi thing. |
| 23:11:14 | as2 | Hmm. |
| 23:11:19 | as2 | Ctrl P worked. |
| 23:11:49 | as2 | Hahaha, Non authorised personel warning. |
| 23:14:45 | levi_ | as2: I don't think you can do a whole lot connected to the bootloader that way. If you do cntl-a instead of cntl-p, it'll try to connect to an inferno session over the serial cable, and then you can transfer files back and forth. |
| 23:15:08 | as2 | Ahh, cool cool. |
| 23:16:59 | Harlekin | hey, anybody here from europe / germany who got one? |
| 23:17:14 | as2 | I'm UK, so is Tangent. |
| 23:17:38 | Tangent | Yep.. I got two |
| 23:18:48 | Harlekin | so how much did you pay |
| 23:19:13 | as2 | 99 each+shipping+VAT+customs duty. |
| 23:19:35 | Harlekin | thats what i ment |
| 23:19:39 | Tangent | Erm.. I think it was $268 for 2xtux+shipping... then I also had to pay 17.5%VAT for customs in the UK |
| 23:19:43 | as2 | (dollers). |
| 23:19:44 | Harlekin | the part without the 99$ |
| 23:19:58 | Harlekin | *sigh* |
| 23:20:21 | as2 | Customs and duty amount to around 40% of the cost I think. |
| 23:20:31 | as2 | Shipping was about 40$ US. |
| 23:20:51 | Harlekin | to expensive for me |
| 23:20:53 | Harlekin | .-( |
| 23:20:58 | as2 | Took something like 6 weeks to get here. |
| 23:21:05 | Harlekin | anywhy, who build them? |
| 23:21:06 | as2 | That was shipping for 2 of them. |
| 23:21:12 | as2 | Phillips. |
| 23:21:31 | Tangent | They are Plillips IS2630 phones |
| 23:21:48 | Tangent | Joint venture between phillips and lucent that never made it |
| 23:21:57 | Harlekin | so they are left overs |
| 23:22:38 | as2 | They decided the cost was too much, they wouldnt make money. |
| 23:23:00 | as2 | Which means we get $600 product for $99. |
| 23:24:48 | Harlekin | hmm |
| 23:24:52 | Harlekin | i want one |
| 23:24:53 | Harlekin | ,-) |
| 23:25:00 | Harlekin | can you use it as a phone? |
| 23:25:23 | as2 | I dont think it can answer a ring in the uk. |
| 23:25:36 | as2 | But you should be able to dial out. |
| 23:26:05 | Harlekin | hmm |
| 23:26:25 | Harlekin | so they are not compatible with european telefon nets? |
| 23:27:00 | as2 | Theres a small difference between the way US and UK teliphones make the phones ring. |
| 23:27:13 | as2 | We have an extra line, they use only 2. |
| 23:27:26 | as2 | Should be possible to modify it for the UK system. |
| 23:27:56 | as2 | Dont buy one because you want to just use it. Buy it to hack and gnerally do things philips wouldnt want. |
| 23:29:36 | Harlekin | as2: just got an email today that our opie is working on it |
| 23:29:41 | Harlekin | except touchscreen |
| 23:29:47 | levi_ | curses emdebian for not keeping their apt-get source working. |
| 23:29:50 | Harlekin | thats why i am suddenly interested |
| 23:31:54 | scanline | is back (gone 00:24:05) |
| 23:46:45 | Silasc | Hey if anyone is interested in checking into this for Tuxscreen, Verizon wireless has release a PCMCIA 3G wireless NIC card with a throughput of 144kbps |
| 23:47:10 | Keyser[a] | fucking AT&T |
| 23:48:18 | Silasc | yeah well I wouldn't purchase it myself (outrageous cost) but an idea for wireless highspeed connect |
| 23:52:09 | as_ | Hmm, how do I get out of file dump with e? |
