| 00:39:08 | pmisfit | is away: fooood. |
| 00:45:39 | TomW | BZFlag: can you answer a question abt how the flash has been partitioned (X for blob, X for param, X for kernel, & X for ramdisk)? |
| 00:46:09 | BZFlag | 128k blob. 1M-128k kernel, 3M rootfs at present. |
| 00:46:40 | BZFlag | if param is on, then I think it's 64k blob, 64k param |
| 00:48:38 | TomW | Right, so having 0xE0000 set aside for the kernel image is okay as the current kernel is 0xDC138. So, because the kernel is stored as a compressed image (MTD), we don't worry about it exceeding > 1 Meg for core (after it is expanded on load)? |
| 00:51:06 | TomW | BZFlag: The reason I ask, I have been reading linux/drivers/mtd/maps/sa1100-flash.c |
| 00:51:40 | BZFlag | the kernel image includes a decompression head. |
| 00:51:41 | TomW | BZFlag: It just seemed odd to me to have < 1Meg set aside in the Flash for a kernel image... |
| 00:52:14 | BZFlag | it's limited by partition size in it's compressed format, but the goal is to get an uncompressed kernel (stripped) stored on the rootfs. |
| 00:52:20 | TomW | BZFlag: ok |
| 00:52:21 | BZFlag | then use blob to read it from there. |
| 00:52:55 | BZFlag | then it's easier to choose which kernel features to make static and which to make modules as |
| 00:53:01 | BZFlag | they both will be on the rootfs. |
| 00:53:13 | TomW | BZFlag: Do you know the purpose of ZTEXTADDR and ZRELADDR? These seem to be "arm-isms"? |
| 00:53:49 | silasc | I held down escape while booting my phone and now it is giving me an error to call tech support, and I cannot seem to get it back up and going again!!! |
| 00:54:09 | BZFlag | don't recall which is which, but blob loads the kernel someplace and then jumps to it. the header starts the decompression to another place, and that's where the actual kernel will live while running. |
| 00:54:32 | silasc | It is now stuck on the software download, in Idle |
| 00:54:40 | silasc | (Inferno) |
| 00:55:09 | TomW | BZFlag: It seems redundant somehow, cause TEXTADDR is set to 0xc0008000, but so are ZTEXTADDR & ZRELADDR. Almost seemed like a brain-fart. |
| 00:55:53 | TomW | <sigh> I'll keep reading, thanks. |
| 00:56:28 | BZFlag | silasc: "esc" on boot logo, then "2" |
| 00:57:57 | silasc | Did the trick, thank you |
| 00:58:56 | BZFlag | http://www.TuxScreen.net/wiki/view/SoftwareDownload |
| 01:21:35 | scanline | is away: I'm busy |
| 01:52:32 | prpplague | farscape is just too cool |
| 02:09:04 | TomW | BZFlag: blob is now fixed, chkmem is performing as it should and the kernel is booting ok. |
| 02:09:39 | TomW | BZFlag: I still have to move chkmem.c into lib/ |
| 02:32:22 | levi_ | ack, my downloads from vitanuova.com keep failing. |
| 02:33:21 | levi_ | dammit |
| 02:53:04 | BZFlag | TomW: patches to commit? |
| 03:08:54 | scanline | is back (gone 01:47:19) |
| 03:38:46 | scanline | will hack on touchscreen drivers after rebooting into linux 2.4.18 |
| 04:02:07 | levi_ | hmm, odd. I just got my tuxscreen, and I'm trying to back up the inferno image before putting blob on |
| 04:02:18 | levi_ | but nothing seems to be happening |
| 04:02:47 | levi_ | >>> c F!all D!inferno.backup |
| 04:02:47 | levi_ | flash: id=1/49 (AMD Am29LV160BB), ss=20000 fs=400000 w=2 b=0-20000 f=5 |
| 04:03:13 | levi_ | And then a status bar goes across the tuxscreen, and when it reaches the other end, it sits there |
| 04:03:52 | BZFlag | levi_: it's very slow. |
| 04:04:09 | TomW | BZFlag: Patches will be soon. I will get the latest cvs version, correct against that image, then I will have patches to forward to you for the commit. |
| 04:04:21 | levi_ | yes, but the file sits at 0 bytes. Is it getting cached somewhere? |
| 04:04:54 | BZFlag | try c F!logo D!logo and time that. |
| 04:05:14 | BZFlag | it will be 0 bytes till it finishes. Inferno "feature" |
| 04:05:28 | BZFlag | TomW: sweet |
| 04:08:13 | levi_ | Ah, okay. The logo one worked, seemed to be pretty quick. I guess I just need to let it sit. |
| 04:09:23 | BZFlag | it's worth trying different speeds with logo first. |
| 04:09:28 | BZFlag | see if 115200 works |
| 04:09:44 | levi_ | That's what I tried it with, and it seemed to work fine |
| 04:09:53 | BZFlag | ok, cool. |
| 04:10:26 | scanline | is away: fun, games, and small explosions |
| 04:10:48 | levi_ | I'm one of the guys you sold the tuxscreen to at the SLUG meeting, btw |
| 04:13:14 | BZFlag | cool. |
| 04:33:02 | levi_ | this thing really needs a status indicator to tell how far it is through the download |
| 05:28:28 | pmisfit | hmmm. anyone remember seeing info on mods to get UART 1 running? |
| 05:42:16 | BZFlag | pmisfit: I remember someone did it on a shanip board. |
| 05:42:28 | BZFlag | but it looks like that't not in the wiki. |
| 05:43:42 | pmisfit | i found the schematics on the wiki, but i vaguely remember seeing more info.. oh well.. |
| 05:44:48 | pmisfit | i almost have mine running anyways, and will document it when done. |
| 06:34:23 | Tangent | pmisfit: It was me |
| 06:34:35 | Tangent | I got second uart running |
| 06:35:01 | Tangent | There should be more info on the wiki.. piccies and all... |
| 06:38:35 | Tangent | pmisfit: http://tuxscreen.net/wiki/view/Main/shanip232 |
| 06:41:09 | Tangent | http://sigkill9.tripod.com/tuxscreen.html |
| 07:09:12 | silasc | When I run 'sh |
| 08:03:39 | silasc | When I run ' sh /home/Inferno/install/Linux-386.sh /usr/inferno' It cannot make any of the files.... What's wrong? |
| 08:08:44 | BZFlag | "make" ? |
| 08:09:01 | BZFlag | where is it trying to install to? |
| 08:09:11 | BZFlag | ah... /usr/inferno. |
| 08:09:19 | BZFlag | you have write access there? |
| 08:09:37 | BZFlag | sh -x /home/Inferno/install/Linux-386.sh /usr/inferno |
| 08:09:39 | BZFlag | perhaps? |
| 08:10:35 | silasc | Lemee give that a try |
| 08:14:11 | silasc | inst: can't make file /n/remote/doc/FAQ: file does not exist <------ This is error on every line even with -x switch |
| 08:16:08 | BZFlag | /n ? |
| 08:16:39 | BZFlag | it's not trying to write to /usr/inferno ? |
| 08:18:38 | silasc | no, although I state that that, it wants to write to the /n/remote............ |
| 08:20:37 | BZFlag | cd /home/Inferno ; install/Linux-386.sh /usr/inferno ? |
| 08:22:16 | silasc | Same problem! |
| 08:24:19 | BZFlag | you own and have write access to /usr/inferno and it exists? |
| 08:26:09 | silasc | yeah, It's there, there was an 'inf' folder there as well |
| 08:28:17 | BZFlag | well, I don't know what to tell ya. it works for me here. |
| 08:28:41 | BZFlag | I just re-installed in /tmp/foo (after creating the directory) and it was fine. |
| 08:29:01 | silasc | Ok well I tried it as root and well thar she blows, I guess I did not have write access as usr: inferno |
| 08:29:21 | BZFlag | I did need to replace the emu in in the installation directory as well as the target directory with a new emu linked on the web page. |
| 08:29:32 | BZFlag | oh, cool. |
| 08:30:35 | silasc | ya know these phones would have been pretty neato had they been fully functionable!! |
| 08:30:53 | silasc | But they will make a better Li Box |
| 12:55:56 | prpplague | morning all |
| 12:56:22 | prpplague | anyway alive yet this morning? |
| 12:58:18 | fontenot | kinda |
| 12:59:06 | prpplague | lol |
| 12:59:48 | prpplague | fun, fun, fun, another day at the office |
| 13:00:21 | fontenot | :-\ |
| 13:10:55 | prpplague | morning GPSFan |
| 13:11:19 | GPSFan | prpplague: good morning!, nice spring day out here. |
| 13:13:06 | prpplague | GPSFan: i wouldn't know, my office has no windows! :-( |
| 13:13:19 | prpplague | GPSFan: tux hacking on the menu today? |
| 13:14:04 | GPSFan | ;>( , Wel maybe a bit, I need to get the mods that TomW did to blob and see if my SODIMM hack really makes 32MB or not. |
| 13:14:50 | prpplague | ahh |
| 13:14:52 | prpplague | fun |
| 13:15:41 | prpplague | after lunch, i'll be working on my tuxscreen dev board, hopefully i get it running today |
| 13:15:57 | GPSFan | yep, I also am trying to get a useable dual boot Linux/WinCE on my iPaq, got it booting, need to get the CF partitioned and full of familiar. |
| 13:16:39 | GPSFan | That dev board sounds interesting, as well as the IDE interface baord that TomW is making for J602. |
| 13:23:50 | GPSFan | prpplague: did you see the OQO? A friend sent me a pix of the 4" display they use, unfortunately transmissive only, but there is a transflective comming soon: ftp://www.desertweyr.com/pub/lcd4.jpg |
| 13:35:34 | pmisfit | 'morning |
| 13:36:35 | | there is not here |
| 13:36:35 | pmisfit | Tangent: still there? |
| 13:36:47 | | Tangent was last seen on #psilinux 30 minutes and 54 seconds ago, saying: fraggle: Reply from Tangent: bytes=32 time=4080271ms TTL=128 [Sat Apr 20 14:05:53 2002] |
| 13:36:47 | pmisfit | ibot: seen Tangent |
| 13:37:55 | prpplague | GPSFan: ya i say the info on it |
| 13:39:15 | prpplague | GPSFan: just wish it was arm based |
| 13:40:05 | pmisfit | Tangent: thanks. i knew i'd seen it somewhere. |
| 13:49:48 | GPSFan | prpplague: it's a cool box just because it crams all that stuff into such a small space, but I still like the MIPS/Watt of SA11xx better |
| 13:50:48 | prpplague | GPSFan: me too |
| 13:51:43 | prpplague | GPSFan: x86 in a portable format is just crazy in my book |
| 13:53:14 | GPSFan | prpplague: yea, but so many people say "yes, but I can run all my bloated Microsoft $W on it with out any problems" What an aweful attitude. |
| 13:54:38 | prpplague | GPSFan: yes i agree, and apps on a portable need to be better thought out than ordinary desktop apps |
| 13:56:37 | GPSFan | prpplague: apps on portable/handheld/embedded devices need to be "crafted" not "loaded". the power/energy savings through careful programming is well worth the effort IMHO. |
| 13:58:28 | prpplague | GPSFan: agreed as well as the UI, you have to think different when you don't have a full sized keyboard for input |
| 13:58:43 | GPSFan | agreed. bbl |
| 13:59:55 | prpplague | later |
| 15:40:00 | pmisfit | is away: chasing a toddler around |
| 16:19:16 | pcrei | msg /silasc Had any luck? |
| 16:35:45 | prpplague | anyone interested in a yopy dev kit? |
| 16:38:20 | fontenot | as a collector's item? |
| 16:39:07 | prpplague | lol |
| 16:39:27 | prpplague | ya its still good for arm dev..... |
| 16:43:54 | prpplague | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2016474464 |
| 16:46:13 | prpplague | howdy mallum |
| 16:48:54 | mallum | hi prpplague |
| 16:49:19 | mallum | Im reading info from mt fujitsu 510's touchscreen now :)) |
| 16:49:46 | mallum | prpplague: how much you selling your yopy for ? |
| 16:49:48 | prpplague | mallum: ts/lcd stuff is always fun.... |
| 16:50:17 | prpplague | mallum: i fifured on asking $400 USD |
| 16:50:24 | prpplague | mallum: probably won't get it |
| 16:50:35 | prpplague | s/fifured/figured |
| 16:51:41 | prpplague | i also have a vr3, a ELF board, and 2 camion units i need to liquidate |
| 16:54:14 | mallum | I have basic userspace coed to read the io-ports |
| 16:54:25 | mallum | I now have to write my first kernel module .... |
| 16:54:32 | prpplague | fun |
| 16:54:36 | mallum | camion units ? |
| 16:55:25 | prpplague | http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS6770596476.html |
| 17:02:34 | mallum | prpplague: nice |
| 17:03:05 | mallum | prpplague: how much for one of those ? |
| 17:03:10 | prpplague | mallum: the hardware is nice, however i can't get any of the code from the company |
| 17:03:16 | prpplague | mallum: $299 +s/h |
| 17:04:51 | mallum | prpplague: can you reflash it ? |
| 17:05:45 | prpplague | mallum: yes, but i don't have any code for the ts, power or audio |
| 17:06:23 | prpplague | mallum: it all should be pretty standard, but i just don't have time to mess with a one time product |
| 17:07:58 | prpplague | mallum: the main board on the camion almost looks like a ipaq knock-off |
| 17:08:34 | mallum | prpplague: how come your selling it all ? |
| 17:09:45 | prpplague | mallum: i want to get a cerfpda |
| 17:10:23 | prpplague | mallum: its not really nessary for me to sell them, i just hate to leave them sitting around gathering dust when someone could be using them to learn with |
| 17:12:38 | prpplague | mallum: btw, you going to make it to OLS? |
| 17:14:48 | mallum | prpplague: whens it at ? If your still going , I'll quite happily head over .... |
| 17:15:31 | mallum | prpplague: bristols only a couple of hours drive / train journey for me |
| 17:16:19 | prpplague | mallum: naw, i chickened out on the bristol trip, decided to attended Ottawa Linux Symposium instead |
| 17:20:29 | mallum | prpplague: :( |
| 17:20:45 | mallum | prpplague: long way to go though |
| 17:20:56 | mallum | prpplague: I may pop donw if I knwo anyone else thats going |
| 17:21:27 | mallum | prpplague: but I dont really have many 'physical life' hacker friends |
| 17:21:53 | prpplague | mallum: np |
| 17:23:15 | mallum | prpplague: writing this touchscreen driver looks harder than I expected ... |
| 17:23:34 | mallum | prpplague: think Im gonna have to have a good read of the device drivers book first .... |
| 17:23:45 | prpplague | has yet to get his ts driver working properly |
| 17:24:21 | mallum | prpplague: what device is your ts driver for ? |
| 17:24:31 | mallum | prpplague: and wh |
| 17:24:35 | mallum | arg |
| 17:24:46 | mallum | prpplague: and how did you figure out how to write one ? |
| 17:26:37 | prpplague | mallum: the ts driver i was working on was for the ELF from InHand electronics, and i've been using the tuxscreen as a guide |
| 17:26:56 | prpplague | mallum: i made considerable progress, before the project was scraped |
| 17:28:58 | mallum | prpplague: yeah, Im looking at the source fot the ipaq ts driver, but I think its over complicated |
| 17:29:32 | prpplague | mallum: yes, as well as most of the lcd code, IMHO |
| 17:30:07 | mallum | prpplague: I understand how to register the module, do a read etc , but its tieing it all to an irq I dont yet really get |
| 17:30:21 | prpplague | mallum: i hate it when someone codes 10 functions on one line |
| 17:31:29 | prpplague | mallum: i've got some notes on sa irqs, it may not help but..... http://www.abcsinc.com/small-linux/gpio-irqs.txt |
| 17:40:56 | mallum | cool thx |
| 17:42:28 | prpplague | mallum: if you every find a topic that "a little vague" let me know, i like to document such things |
| 17:48:25 | mallum | prpplague: this looks useful -> http://www.kernelnewbies.org/documents/kdoc/mousedrivers/mouseguide.html, if its still relevant |
| 17:54:09 | prpplague | mallum: that does look helpful |
| 18:01:57 | mallum | prpplague: hopefully I can use it as a boilerplate |
| 18:29:33 | mallum | prpplague: Im looking at the source of au1000_ts , looks pretty readable ... |
| 18:35:09 | prpplague | mallum: you know any good url's on makefiles? |
| 18:54:09 | mallum | prpplague: I normally use automake|conf |
| 18:54:15 | TomW | prpplague: http://www.gnu.org/manual/make/index.html |
| 18:54:18 | mallum | prpplague: manual here -> http://www.gnu.org/manual/automake-1.5/html_chapter/automake_toc.html |
| 18:54:39 | TomW | prpplague: :D |
| 18:54:40 | mallum | prpplague: though things can get pretty evil with automake|conf |
| 18:55:18 | mallum | prpplague: you have the source handy for the tuxscreen ts ? |
| 19:11:52 | prpplague | tanks guys |
| 19:15:02 | mallum | prpplague: if you find the source for the tuxscreen ts driver, could to mail it to me at mallum@10.am |
| 19:15:26 | mallum | prpplague: if thats ok ... |
| 19:15:35 | mallum | prpplague: I have the source somewhere but cant find it :( |
| 19:15:41 | mallum | prpplague: gotta go now .... |
| 21:03:09 | BZFlag | silasc: you only need jtag if you fail an install. |
| 21:03:26 | BZFlag | get inferno running on your host, then hook up a null modem cable to the phone, |
| 21:03:46 | silasc | Ok I got that going right now, |
| 21:04:20 | BZFlag | use http://TuxScreen.net/wiki/view/InstallationReminders |
| 21:11:24 | pmisfit | is back (gone 05:31:24) |
| 21:12:42 | pmisfit | ah. hack to start SA1100 watchdog timer early in kernel boot - DONE. |
| 21:13:02 | pmisfit | checks another item off of to-do list. |
| 21:13:39 | BZFlag | pmisfit: why early? |
| 21:14:09 | BZFlag | if the kernel does not finish booting, and the watchdog triggers, what will happen? |
| 21:14:30 | BZFlag | seem to me you will just reboot, causing the same problem all over again, no? |
| 21:15:03 | BZFlag | so you either have a kernel that does not boot or, with your "fix", a kernel that does not boot over and over and over again. |
| 21:15:07 | | i think the point is to get something slim and light to carry on the train.... |
| 21:15:07 | BZFlag | what's the point? |
| 21:15:17 | | BZFlag: I forgot point |
| 21:15:17 | BZFlag | ibot forget the point |
| 21:16:05 | pmisfit | BZFlag: seems like you've been down this road before... |
| 21:16:15 | BZFlag | ok, and what's the answer? |
| 21:17:24 | | Howdy Bub |
| 21:17:24 | BZFlag | hello? |
| 21:17:50 | pmisfit | BZFlag: trying to guard against odd hardware problem or FS problem preventing init launching. |
| 21:18:11 | BZFlag | and you have guarded how? |
| 21:18:25 | pmisfit | gets the sudden sense that this is a dumb idea. |
| 21:18:41 | BZFlag | let's focus on the FS problem. exactly how did you fix the FS? |
| 21:19:07 | pmisfit | well, i didn't *fix* anything. |
| 21:19:12 | BZFlag | exactly. |
| 21:19:23 | BZFlag | you caused the same problem to occur over and over again. |
| 21:19:27 | BZFlag | is that what you wanted? |
| 21:19:36 | pmisfit | you're right, instead of a broken system, it's a broken system that keeps trying anyway. |
| 21:19:43 | BZFlag | exactly. |
| 21:20:03 | pmisfit | argh. |
| 21:20:58 | BZFlag | sorry to burst your bubble. ;-) |
| 21:21:16 | pmisfit | well, better here than in the field. |
| 21:22:07 | pmisfit | thanks |
| 21:23:19 | pmisfit | goes back to drawing board |
| 21:25:47 | pmisfit | ok, i've serveral times had my ethernet card fail to come up. rebooting solves this. |
| 21:25:58 | pmisfit | that's what led me down the path. |
| 21:26:23 | pmisfit | s/serveral/several/ |
| 21:29:10 | pmisfit | you're right, it's a hack. i need to make it stop doing that. period. no way around it. |
| 21:29:15 | pmisfit | sighs |
| 21:45:42 | BZFlag | pmisfit: with the ethernet card you can check that in user space after boot though, no? |
| 21:46:01 | BZFlag | perhaps making it a module and try reloading it a few times rather than rebooting? |
| 21:47:13 | BZFlag | of course fixing the driver would be best, but as a temporary measure. ;-) |
| 22:03:15 | Tangent | BZFlag: Hi... stats script is running on Disconnect's home machine... i've been trying to get hold of a copy to run on ibot's box.... he keeps tweaking the code at the moment tho, so hasn't sent it to me |
| 22:17:11 | pmisfit | BZFlag: i'll try that. cardctl eject/insert didn't fix it, but maybe unloading/reloading module will. |
| 22:17:52 | pmisfit | i still think it is a hardware problem. |
| 22:19:09 | pmisfit | i.e. when the card fails (xirc2ps.o, CE3-10/100 1.00), nothing shows up in cardctl ident. |
| 22:21:13 | pmisfit | but if i'm going to do any band-aids, i'll do 'em in user space. |
| 23:01:15 | BZFlag | Tangent: cool. |
