| 02:07:22 | sjm | In the IRC logs, why does ibot's output appear before it's input? |
| 02:35:07 | pmisfit | is back (gone 07:13:47) |
| 02:35:32 | pmisfit | sjm: race condition? |
| 02:39:17 | BZFlag | just the way the script is written |
| 02:44:21 | pmisfit | favorite comment from init.c: "Units are kBytes to avoid overflow on 4GB machines" |
| 02:45:30 | pmisfit | not sure i'd be using busybox on a machine with 4GB ram.. but, hey, why not? |
| 03:08:23 | BZFlag | heh |
| 03:08:45 | BZFlag | I figure 4G is barely enough. |
| 03:09:20 | jacques | i want 4GB in my tux |
| 05:57:47 | | It's great to be back. I missed this place! |
| 05:57:47 | jacques | ibot: wb |
| 05:58:12 | | ibot was last seen on #zaurus 74 days, 49 minutes and 25 seconds ago, saying: BZFlag: what ? [Mon Feb 4 05:08:46 2002] |
| 05:58:12 | KeyserSoze | ibot: seen ibot? |
| 06:00:51 | | KeyserSoze: Something failed in connecting to the NOAA web server. Try again later. |
| 06:00:51 | KeyserSoze | ibot: weather kgrr |
| 06:00:51 | | KeyserSoze: i'm not following you... |
| 06:00:51 | KeyserSoze | ibot: kgrr |
| 06:01:05 | KeyserSoze | how much later? |
| 06:01:18 | | KeyserSoze: Something failed in connecting to the NOAA web server. Try again later. |
| 06:01:18 | KeyserSoze | ibot: weather kgrr |
| 06:02:32 | KeyserSoze | yes, like I said already; how much later? |
| 06:03:17 | | jacques: Something failed in connecting to the NOAA web server. Try again later. |
| 06:03:17 | jacques | ibot: weather ksjc |
| 06:03:22 | jacques | :-( |
| 06:03:45 | KeyserSoze | last i checked, San Jose was at 52 degrees. |
| 06:03:52 | KeyserSoze | Grand Rapids is 64 right now. |
| 06:04:19 | jacques | KeyserSoze: :-) |
| 06:05:04 | KeyserSoze | has GnomeWeather |
| 06:06:00 | KeyserSoze | eek. i did a "flash ramdisk" in blob, and the little dots have stopped coming. |
| 06:07:11 | jacques | hmm |
| 06:07:15 | jacques | where did they stop? |
| 06:07:21 | KeyserSoze | it started again. |
| 06:07:34 | KeyserSoze | it skipped a space, and then fired off 5 dots rather quickly. |
| 06:08:13 | KeyserSoze | but my old buildroot still isn't working. pgserver locks up when I start it. |
| 06:09:12 | sjm | KeyserSoze: Do you specifically want picogui, or do you just want something to test the touchscreen with? |
| 06:09:25 | KeyserSoze | nah, I wanted picogui. |
| 06:09:31 | sjm | k |
| 06:09:49 | KeyserSoze | i'm writing an app for it, and I'm far enough into it to not want to switch to microwindows. |
| 06:09:58 | sjm | fair enuf |
| 07:26:09 | sjm | night all |
| 08:19:31 | pmisfit | is away: snooooze |
| 09:37:23 | LoneTech | selling them off fast? |
| 09:37:47 | andersee | BZFlag: we now have another choice for getting libstdc++ -- no gcc compiling required. :-) |
| 09:37:52 | BZFlag | LoneTech: bit by bit. ;-) |
| 09:38:14 | BZFlag | huh? how's 'at? |
| 09:38:41 | andersee | BZFlag: I just got STLport running. http://www.stlport.org/ |
| 09:39:15 | andersee | [andersen@dillweed andersen]$ cd /usr/i386-linux-uclibc/lib/ |
| 09:39:15 | andersee | [andersen@dillweed lib]$ ll libstd* |
| 09:39:15 | andersee | -rw-r--r-- 1 andersen andersen 1.3M Apr 19 03:07 libstdc++.a |
| 09:39:16 | andersee | lrwxrwxrwx 1 andersen andersen 16 Apr 19 03:08 libstdc++.so -> libstdc++.so.4.5* |
| 09:39:16 | andersee | lrwxrwxrwx 1 andersen andersen 16 Apr 19 03:08 libstdc++.so.0 -> libstdc++.so.4.5* |
| 09:39:16 | andersee | -rwxr-xr-x 1 andersen andersen 403k Apr 19 03:07 libstdc++.so.4.5* |
| 09:39:49 | andersee | $ ldd ./test |
| 09:39:49 | andersee | libstdc++.so.0 => /usr/i386-linux-uclibc/lib/libstdc++.so.0 (0x0x40006000) |
| 09:39:49 | andersee | libc.so.0 => /usr/i386-linux-uclibc/lib/libc.so.0 (0x0x4006c000) |
| 09:39:49 | andersee | libpthread.so.0 => /usr/i386-linux-uclibc/lib/libpthread.so.0 (0x0x4009e000) |
| 09:39:49 | andersee | libm.so.0 => /usr/i386-linux-uclibc/lib/libm.so.0 (0x0x400af000) |
| 09:39:51 | andersee | ld-uClibc.so.0 => /usr/i386-linux-uclibc/lib/ld-uClibc.so.0 (0x0x40000000) |
| 09:39:59 | andersee | $ ./test |
| 09:39:59 | andersee | hello from a global constructor |
| 09:39:59 | andersee | hello from a normal constructor |
| 09:39:59 | andersee | hello from test 1 |
| 09:40:01 | andersee | hello from test 2 |
| 09:40:03 | andersee | hello from test 3 |
| 09:40:05 | andersee | Cool, things seem to be working! |
| 09:40:07 | andersee | goodbye from a normal destructor |
| 09:40:09 | andersee | goodbye from a global destructor |
| 09:40:11 | andersee | So it even works too... |
| 09:40:44 | LoneTech | congrats |
| 09:40:50 | Russ | coo' |
| 09:41:08 | Russ | wvdial would be a good program to test |
| 09:42:17 | andersee | Russ: This is a new option for full C++ support. No gcc toolchain compiling required now since I just got STLport running. http://www.stlport.org/ |
| 09:43:41 | LoneTech | ugly webpage |
| 09:44:54 | ctr- | tuxscreen.net does not worketh |
| 09:45:53 | LoneTech | worked here |
| 09:47:52 | LoneTech | ctr-: what problem are you seeing? |
| 09:48:20 | ctr- | it's showing codepoet.org |
| 09:48:22 | ctr- | in moziulla |
| 09:48:33 | ctr- | but tuxscreen.net in konqueorr:) |
| 09:49:18 | andersee | ??? |
| 09:49:58 | ctr- | exactly |
| 09:49:58 | ctr- | :) |
| 09:50:06 | LoneTech | ctr-: then your mozilla is not sending the correct Host: header |
| 09:52:29 | andersee | begins packing up stlport for buildroot |
| 09:55:08 | Russ | tuxscreen.net works fine in galeon |
| 09:56:27 | ctr- | are there any newer binaries than '0.5' to download? |
| 09:58:30 | BZFlag | ctr: your dns is messed. use http://www.tuxscreen.net/ to avoid your problem. |
| 09:58:53 | ctr- | yeah |
| 09:58:57 | ctr- | k |
| 09:59:31 | BZFlag | andersee: so what's the license on stlport? |
| 10:00:31 | andersee | BZFlag: http://www.stlport.org/doc/license.html |
| 10:01:01 | andersee | BZFlag: Its in Debian main, so it seems to be free enough... |
| 10:01:38 | Russ | repetative BSD |
| 10:01:53 | BZFlag | looks to be. the "non-transferable" is a bit odd. the rest looks ok. |
| 10:04:25 | BZFlag | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 288812 Jan 3 15:39 /usr/lib/libstdc++-3-libc6.2-2-2.10.0.so |
| 10:04:56 | andersee | Yup |
| 10:05:04 | BZFlag | so stlport is twice the size? |
| 10:05:07 | andersee | Seems to be a bit bigger... |
| 10:05:26 | andersee | I've not done much to try and make it smaller thus far |
| 10:07:10 | andersee | begins the cross compile for arm |
| 10:09:33 | BZFlag | SGI STL is being shipped with GNU C++ since 2.8.x. <- huh? |
| 10:11:31 | andersee | $ ll root/lib/libstdc++.so.4.5 |
| 10:11:31 | andersee | -rwxr-xr-x 1 andersen andersen 623k Apr 19 04:13 root/lib/libstdc++.so.4.5* |
| 10:11:43 | andersee | $ file root/lib/libstdc++.so.4.5 |
| 10:11:43 | andersee | root/lib/libstdc++.so.4.5: ELF 32-bit LSB shared object, ARM, version 1 (ARM), stripped |
| 10:11:55 | andersee | A bit big for my liking... |
| 10:12:02 | andersee | But it works... |
| 10:12:22 | Russ | andersee: how hard would it be to make something that would look at a set of binaries, and then a set of library code, and create copies of the libraries with only the neccessary code for the specified binaries (or something similar) |
| 10:14:25 | andersee | Russ: funny you should ask... |
| 10:14:28 | andersee | uClibc/extra/libstrip/libstrip |
| 10:14:34 | Russ | andersee: really? |
| 10:16:20 | BZFlag | just make sure you test all the binaries you are going to use. |
| 10:17:11 | andersee | Russ: for a more complete one, see mklibs.py in the debian boot floppies source tree |
| 10:17:52 | Russ | andersee: what is more complete about ti? |
| 10:17:55 | Russ | er, it |
| 10:19:14 | andersee | The libstrip one takes advantage of the way uClibc gets built. The debian one is much more general |
| 10:19:46 | LoneTech | the debian one requires .a files with -fPIC code |
| 10:19:58 | LoneTech | does a pretty good job. |
| 10:20:04 | LoneTech | iirc |
| 10:20:15 | LoneTech | it was perl when I used it though |
| 10:20:38 | Russ | #! /usr/bin/python |
| 10:21:12 | andersee | BZFlag: stlport support is is now in CVS... |
| 10:21:34 | andersee | LoneTech: there is now both a mklibs.py and a mklibs.pl |
| 10:22:13 | andersee | LoneTech: the language biggots had to be sure that noone was left out... ;-) |
| 10:22:31 | Russ | andersee: the docs say: ...directory, run: libstrip path/to/busybox, do I provide a list of all my binaries? |
| 10:23:07 | Russ | andersee: also, what do I do about shared objects, like the ones iptables creates |
| 10:23:43 | LoneTech | Russ: list them as you would programs. which ones you need depends on your rules though. |
| 10:24:53 | andersee | Russ: doesn't cope with those at all. |
| 10:26:26 | Russ | maybe I can get them to compile into the iptables binary |
| 10:46:04 | andersee | well, g'night everybody |
| 10:46:10 | andersee | I'm off to bed |
| 10:48:36 | BZFlag | me too |
| 13:31:24 | mallum | hi, anyone about ? |
| 14:45:59 | prpplague | morning all |
| 14:47:01 | TomW | grumbles |
| 14:48:18 | prpplague | TomW: whats the matter, you let the magic smoke out of something this morning? |
| 14:49:08 | TomW | yeah, me. Cannot seem to get the energy up to do anything usefull. Maybe it is time to hop in the car and get lost someplace? |
| 14:50:58 | prpplague | TomW: ya sounds good, find a beer festival for the weekend,lol |
| 14:52:00 | TomW | ... with lots of friendly women! |
| 14:54:00 | TomW | prpplague: I sent the Tux-IDE board off to be fabricated, that should be here sometime Monday / Tuesday. That will get me going again. |
| 14:57:25 | TomW | hmmm... There is some channel here called "#kernelnewbies",,, Wonder what that is all about? ;-) |
| 15:03:42 | TomW | prpplague: ARGHHHHHHHHHH! Ok, I am outa' here, I cannot take it! Time to hop in the GT and go play with my car for a while. bbl |
| 15:07:29 | prpplague | later |
| 15:45:12 | scanline | is back (gone 09:51:56) |
| 15:46:04 | scanline | is away: more circuits |
| 17:46:59 | mallum | hi |
| 17:47:25 | mallum | anybody about ? |
| 17:47:59 | scanline | is away: class |
| 20:08:20 | | CosmicPenguin was last seen on #tuxscreen 1 days, 3 hours, 23 minutes and 37 seconds ago, saying: andersee: late night last night... :) [Thu Apr 18 17:44:43 2002] |
| 20:08:20 | andersee | ibot: seen CosmicPenguin? |
| 20:10:31 | | ibot is nothing but an unintelligent petrification of gleeking anal warts. |
| 20:10:31 | andersee | ibot: insult ibot |
| 20:16:00 | | ibot is nothing but a decayed bag of clouted buzzard gizzards. |
| 20:16:00 | andersee | ibot: insult ibot |
| 20:29:43 | levi_ | Heh |
| 20:35:21 | mallum | andersee: I read you 'bio' today in the bookshop .... |
| 20:35:29 | andersee | oh? |
| 20:35:49 | andersee | All lies I'm sure... |
| 20:35:52 | andersee | :) |
| 20:36:13 | mallum | embedded linux book - nice photo BTW |
| 20:36:49 | andersee | thx |
| 20:37:21 | andersee | Not the most useful book imho, but not a bat intro |
| 20:37:28 | andersee | s/bat/bad/ |
| 20:37:42 | mallum | yes indeed |
| 20:38:10 | mallum | Can you 'cat' ioports from user space ? |
| 20:42:50 | andersee | You mean 'cat /proc/ioports'? |
| 20:43:03 | andersee | yes |
| 20:44:03 | mallum | I mean 'cat' an actual range of io-ports to see whats stored there ? |
| 20:44:14 | andersee | oh |
| 20:44:30 | andersee | I suppose you can if you run gdb as root... |
| 20:44:43 | mallum | yeah I have root |
| 20:46:00 | mallum | I didn't realise you could use gdb for that .... |
| 20:46:16 | andersee | help x |
| 20:47:36 | mallum | aha cool ... |
| 20:47:46 | mallum | nearly bought the gdb book today ... |
| 20:50:32 | mallum | I want to look at 0x003e-0x003f , is that the actual address or should that be added to some sort of base ? |
| 20:50:53 | mallum | sorry for my newbie questions, I know little about kernel programming .... |
| 20:55:55 | levi_ | What are you trying to write? |
| 20:57:14 | mallum | A touchscreen driver for a fujitso pt510 :( |
| 20:57:55 | mallum | A think a little c prog that reads /dev/port may do it ? |
| 20:58:14 | levi_ | Do you have the docs for the pt510? |
| 20:58:47 | mallum | nope |
| 20:59:20 | mallum | only a wierd post saying the touchscreen is on 0x003e - 0x003f |
| 21:00:04 | mallum | the guy apparently has screen pos from it, but won't share the source ( yet ? ) |
| 21:01:14 | mallum | Im just trying to figure out if theres any truth in it ... |
| 21:02:01 | andersee | mallum: I realized my suggestion for uxing gdb isn't going to work for you... |
| 21:02:12 | andersee | mallum: I last used that trick on an mmu-less system |
| 21:02:22 | andersee | mallum: On an mmu-full system -- won't work |
| 21:02:50 | mallum | andersee: no Im just getting 'cant access memory' errors |
| 21:02:54 | levi_ | You could write a simple C program that continually reads locations there and try to make sense of what you read. My experience with writing device drives has been limited to well-documented things. |
| 21:03:15 | mallum | andersee: shouldn't take me long to hack out a c prog that fseeks /dev/ports |
| 21:09:49 | mallum | lseeks rather |
| 21:11:12 | levi_ | You can directly access stuff with inb() and friends, too. |
| 21:15:53 | mallum | levi_: yep reading about that too ... |
| 21:16:02 | mallum | levi_: I have some info from it now ... |
| 21:16:58 | mallum | its takes a while to compile 5 lines of code on a dx4 100 ... |
| 21:18:42 | scanline | is back (gone 03:30:43) |
| 21:18:45 | levi_ | Heh, is the dx4 100 your dev box or are you compiling on your target? |
| 21:20:39 | mallum | levi_: compiling on target |
| 21:20:59 | mallum | levi_: it would be fun if it was my dev box |
| 21:25:47 | mallum | hmmm, not getting any changed when I touch the touch screen :( |
| 21:33:34 | silasc | anyone accomplished linux on a mailstation? |
| 21:47:04 | mallum | hmm maybe this guy is lying :( |
| 21:56:14 | andersee | mallum: what are you hoping to accomplish? |
| 21:56:56 | mallum | andersee: ultimatly, a touchscreen driver |
| 21:57:20 | mallum | andersee: for now just some info from the touchscreen |
| 21:57:43 | andersee | but there is already such a beast.... |
| 21:58:01 | andersee | Or is this not for the tuxscreen |
| 21:58:02 | andersee | ? |
| 21:58:06 | mallum | andersee: this is for my fujitsu pt510 |
| 21:58:19 | mallum | is being cheeky asking in the chan .... |
| 21:59:50 | andersee | ahh |
| 22:04:54 | Tangent | andersee: Any more luck with the ash problem? |
| 22:35:26 | pmisfit | is back (gone 14:15:56) |
| 22:35:39 | pmisfit | hello |
| 22:35:46 | pmisfit | does happy dance |
| 22:36:08 | Tangent | pmisfit: Hi |
| 22:36:52 | pmisfit | Tangent: i'm so stoked. |
| 22:37:10 | pmisfit | Tangent: just got my blob-loading-over-terminal-server hack working. |
| 22:37:59 | pmisfit | reads... |
| 22:38:24 | pmisfit | Tangent: ash, huh? |
| 22:39:21 | Tangent | pmisfit: Discovered a problem in busybox ash |
| 22:39:47 | Tangent | pmisfit: Don't really know how to fix it.. was hoping andersee might have done so |
| 22:40:30 | Tangent | pmisfit: The rest of that converstaion happened about three days ago on a different channel |
| 22:40:32 | pmisfit | Tangent: how was it misbehaving? |
| 22:42:08 | pmisfit | Tangent: nevermind then. |
| 22:47:27 | GPSFan | Tangent: Hi, I got my iPaq dual booting using your images, cool, however I haven't been able to reformat my CF card on the iPaq, wget'd fdisk, which runs but doesn't like /dev/hda or /dev/hdc. |
| 22:51:25 | scanline | is away: pseudo-i-think-its-food |
| 22:53:40 | Tangent | GPSFan: It's devfs... /dev/discs/disc0/disc |
| 23:09:28 | BZFlag | andersee: OLS is $299 CAN. I'm looking at a suite for $165/night. http://www.linuxsymposium.org/2002/travel.php interested in going and splitting the room? |
| 23:09:46 | BZFlag | I'm going to talk to cworley as well and see if he's interested. |
| 23:10:59 | GPSFan | Tangent: thanks, I think I tried several different paths like that, they all failed, but I don't think i tried that one, I will. |
| 23:11:21 | andersee | BZFlag: I'd love to -- I'm not sure if I can make the idea to pass the wife test... |
| 23:16:52 | Tangent | pmisfit: I've two magic lines that make it segfault... Seems that it's stalloc's allocating memory for variable evaluation over the top of the command lookup table, but that's happening because unalloc tells it that's it's free.. and we don't know what tells unalloc to do that... |
| 23:18:00 | andersee | Tangent: sorry -- I've not really looked into that one further. :( |
| 23:18:40 | Tangent | andersee: nor me |
| 23:24:09 | pmisfit | hairy dynamic memory issues. definitely not for me. |
| 23:26:48 | Tangent | Yeah.. I worked around the problem by using regular ash instead... which is a shame... |
| 23:26:53 | Tangent | must try things out with msh |
| 23:28:45 | BZFlag | pmisfit: blob-loading-over-terminal-server hack ? |
| 23:29:09 | pmisfit | BZFlag: i knew SOMEONE would raise an eyebrow at that one ;-) |
| 23:29:42 | pmisfit | BZFlag: yep. i perperated a horrible hack to busybox telnet, l |
| 23:30:08 | pmisfit | BZFlag: lets me telnet in to a terminal server, where my tux serial consoles are plugged in |
| 23:30:33 | BZFlag | what change did that need? base telnet would not work? |
| 23:31:01 | pmisfit | BZFlag: it would, but i couldn't figure out how to send a file thru it. |
| 23:31:41 | pmisfit | BZFlag: i probably came up with a very complicated way to so something simple, eh? |
| 23:32:20 | BZFlag | sz/rz should have worked, no? |
| 23:32:44 | pmisfit | BZFlag: over the net? |
| 23:32:54 | BZFlag | hmm. telnet would not have auto sz I suppose. hmm. |
| 23:33:46 | scanline | is back (gone 00:42:21) |
| 23:33:56 | pmisfit | BZFlag: yep. kermit looked promising, but it gave me a headache. |
| 23:37:00 | pmisfit | BZFlag: so i now have kind of a low-rent terminal-server-capable lartload. or something. |
| 23:37:35 | pmisfit | weird. looks like the gnu sysvinit shutdown command doesn't use /dev/initctl either. |
| 23:37:51 | pmisfit | just telinit (or init-called-as-telinit) does. |
| 23:39:05 | TomW | prpplague: Ahhh! I feel much better now... |
| 23:48:29 | prpplague | TomW: lol, nice trip? |
| 23:50:20 | TomW | prpplague: Yeah. Went down to a buddies house, stood at the bottom of his deck and hollered out: "Jim, can you come out and play?". It wasn't hard to convince him that he, too, needed a "mental health day". |
| 23:53:45 | prpplague | lol |
| 23:54:50 | prpplague | TomW: well, i'm headed to the beer store here in about 5 minutes, (hmmm $10 worth of beer vs. $100 for 1 hour with pshycologist) |
| 23:55:49 | TomW | prpplague: yeah, whatever. I don't drink anymore. I got to like it too much. :-( |
| 23:56:29 | prpplague | TomW: lol, ya i have to be careful |
| 23:57:13 | prpplague | later folks |
| 23:57:21 | TomW | prpplague: enjoy your evening.. |
| 23:57:33 | prpplague | TomW: i will |
| 23:57:37 | prpplague | thanks |