| 00:00:06 | BZFlag | MemTotal: 62420 kB ;-) |
| 00:04:21 | pmisfit | hmm. wonder why SIGTERM in busybox init is set to reboot_signal? as opposed to blocking/discarding it. |
| 00:07:38 | pmisfit | shrugs and changes it. |
| 00:07:50 | Hiraghm | Hi! |
| 00:07:52 | Hiraghm | waves madly |
| 00:08:13 | pmisfit | Hiragm: hello! |
| 00:08:22 | pmisfit | Hiraghm: hello! |
| 00:09:09 | pmisfit | Hiraghm: i like the design of xtimports.com. |
| 00:09:17 | Hiraghm | pmisfit, thanks! |
| 00:09:42 | Hiraghm | BZ, I never did get the cross compiler working |
| 00:10:12 | andersee | is back (gone 01:33:16) |
| 00:10:21 | andersee | BZFlag: sure. |
| 00:10:52 | andersee | BZFlag: Afterwards, maybe we can go grab something to eat... |
| 00:11:03 | BZFlag | could do. |
| 00:11:17 | Hiraghm | not blaming the compiler, I just haven't had the time to spare to work on the installation |
| 00:11:52 | andersee | pmisfit: even better -- mod busybox init to not use signals, but use the /dev/initctl named pipe |
| 00:12:09 | andersee | pmisfit: That would allow us to interoperate with sysvinit |
| 00:12:14 | Hiraghm | wishes he knew what andersee was talking about |
| 00:12:55 | pmisfit | andersee: hmm. good idea. |
| 00:13:17 | pmisfit | grabs source of gnu init to see how they did it |
| 00:13:32 | andersee | pmisfit: I would gladly apply such a patch. Been on my todo list for a _long_ time... |
| 00:14:03 | pmisfit | andersee: i'll take a look at what-all is involved. if i feel up to the task, i'll do it. |
| 00:14:37 | andersee | pmisfit: cool |
| 00:29:09 | vosque | departs. |
| 00:29:58 | Hiraghm | btw, have there been any breakthroughs lately that I dunno about? like getting the DSP working? |
| 00:36:15 | prpplague | howdy howdy |
| 00:36:22 | Hiraghm | PRPPlague! |
| 00:36:26 | prpplague | is back like a bad case of athletes foot |
| 00:36:31 | Hiraghm | http://pub39.ezboard.com/bextraterrestrialimports |
| 00:36:49 | as_ | Evnin all. |
| 00:37:05 | Hiraghm | waves madly near as_ |
| 00:37:39 | as_ | Well someones on a high note ;] |
| 00:38:10 | prpplague | as_: where's your brother as_400, lol |
| 00:38:22 | prpplague | Hiraghm: is that your page? |
| 00:38:34 | Hiraghm | that's my message board |
| 00:38:43 | Hiraghm | my home page is at http:www.xtimports.com/index.html |
| 00:38:55 | Hiraghm | sorry bout the popups, but if i get enough traffic I'll pay to remove them. |
| 00:39:03 | Hiraghm | (on the message board, not the website) |
| 00:39:18 | as_ | Has anyone tried powering up a tuxscreen without the PFI? |
| 00:39:25 | Hiraghm | as_, I'm on a high note cause my ear isn't stopped up so bad anymore. |
| 00:39:28 | Hiraghm | PFI? |
| 00:39:39 | sjm | as_ works fine, but no dsp (ie, DTMF) |
| 00:39:47 | prpplague | as_: yes, as far as i know the unit works fine, but the dsp doesn't |
| 00:39:54 | as_ | Ahh, interesting. |
| 00:40:12 | Hiraghm | waves near sjm |
| 00:40:18 | as_ | I'm waiting on a 3.3volt regulator, so I havnt been able to try yet. |
| 00:40:32 | prpplague | as_: off course, i've removed the dsp board from my unit so its kinda mout |
| 00:41:30 | as_ | Hiraghm, Power Failier Indicatior, tells the system if the power is about to go so it can save data to flash. Not sure how, or if its used on the tuxscreen. |
| 00:41:47 | Hiraghm | as_, ohhhh nifty nifty |
| 00:42:00 | as_ | Removed? |
| 00:42:05 | prpplague | as_: which 3.3v reg are you using? |
| 00:42:12 | as_ | Doesnt the screen plug into that board? |
| 00:42:19 | sjm | as_: it provides a clock timing signal to the DSP - it's a 120Hz square wave. |
| 00:42:44 | prpplague | as_: yea, i'm building anew board |
| 00:42:58 | prpplague | as_: similiar to tomw's board |
| 00:43:03 | as_ | Ive read the data about PFI, including someone who has designed a fake input using a 555 timer. |
| 00:43:21 | sjm | that would be me :) |
| 00:43:29 | as_ | Ahh, cool cool. |
| 00:44:41 | prpplague | lol, #tuxscreen is the biggest linux hardware tinkerers i've found on the net |
| 00:44:48 | prpplague | always hacking on something! |
| 00:45:02 | Hiraghm | nods |
| 00:45:11 | as_ | Hacking home apliences rocks. |
| 00:46:40 | as_ | Hmm, might be the right place to ask about interfacing data to the PC then. I'm after a way of interfacing data at abouut 40MBit. |
| 00:47:08 | prpplague | i always expect to here something like "hey guys! i've got my digital interface on my microwave oven running a pr0n server!" |
| 00:48:06 | prpplague | as_: ineterfacing what to a pc at 40mb |
| 00:48:07 | prpplague | ? |
| 00:48:27 | as_ | A data stream. |
| 00:48:51 | Hiraghm | hacking berserker capital ships is more fun |
| 00:48:59 | as_ | Most of the methods Ive found so far are a bit on the complicated side. |
| 00:49:46 | as_ | IDE/SCSI/PCI are insane. USB1 is too slow, USB2 is rather new and IVe seen no easy way of using it. |
| 00:50:11 | as_ | Parallel port is too unreliable, ISA interface is too slow. |
| 00:51:16 | prpplague | as_: i think we hashed this out before |
| 00:51:28 | as_ | Hmm, I might have asked this before. |
| 00:51:36 | Hiraghm | grabs his helmet and dives into a crater |
| 00:51:40 | as_ | Ive been at this problem for a looong time. |
| 00:52:21 | prpplague | as_: solutions come along in their own time |
| 00:53:14 | as_ | This project has been uphill every damn day. |
| 00:53:37 | prpplague | as_: i damn never cut my throat shaving when i finaly figured out a solution on a 8051 problem about 10 years ago, lol |
| 00:54:29 | as_ | That would be annoying. |
| 00:55:05 | prpplague | as_: picture me run towards nmy wife with shaving cream and blood, babling on 8051 instruction sets! |
| 00:55:12 | prpplague | lol |
| 00:55:31 | as_ | Id rather not picture the blood. |
| 00:55:48 | prpplague | lol |
| 00:55:52 | Hiraghm | I'll picture the blood for you |
| 00:56:00 | as_ | Cheers :] |
| 00:56:18 | prpplague | raises a frost glass of sheafs stout |
| 00:56:24 | as_ | Me and blood get on fine, so long as it stays on the outside. |
| 00:56:31 | as_ | Err. |
| 00:56:33 | as_ | Inside. |
| 00:56:40 | prpplague | http://www.ratebeer.com/ShowBeer.asp?BeerID=2124 |
| 00:56:47 | as_ | I think I need my head adjusting. |
| 00:57:19 | as_ | Mmm, or the universe needs everything else adjusting. |
| 00:57:50 | prpplague | cat /proc/sys/earth | grep -e "life" |
| 00:59:39 | as_ | Mmm, if the universe ran on linux that would explain how user unfreindly it is ;] |
| 01:00:28 | prpplague | lol |
| 01:00:34 | as_ | I have to watch what I say about linux in this chatroom, I'll get lynched. |
| 01:00:36 | Hiraghm | bbiab, gonna go watch The Practice |
| 01:00:44 | as_ | L8r H. |
| 01:01:57 | as_ | Better than a microsoft, wed have to get out periodically to give the earth a push. |
| 01:02:08 | prpplague | as_: naw, most of use are realists, 50% of linux users are too arrogant to want end(l)users to use linux, and the other %50 want more end(l)users to use linux but are too geekie to show them how |
| 01:02:43 | prpplague | anyone see this - http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS4054087444.html |
| 01:05:02 | as_ | Is this a joke? |
| 01:05:52 | as_ | Crusoe processor. It is a joke. |
| 01:06:09 | prpplague | as_: the linuxdevices story? rick doesn't do jokes, but i understand what you mean |
| 01:08:51 | as_ | If DEC hadnt taken the dive, I wonder where StrongARM CPUs would be now. |
| 01:12:11 | prpplague | much better off and so would the alpha |
| 01:13:39 | as_ | I wanted an alpha, they were always too expensive though. |
| 01:15:33 | as_ | Utterly insane instructionset. |
| 02:06:36 | scanline | is back (gone 03:42:25) |
| 02:30:40 | prpplague | wb as_ |
| 02:30:57 | prpplague | as_: where in the uk are you? |
| 02:31:09 | as_ | Tnx. |
| 02:31:11 | as_ | Midlands. |
| 02:31:32 | prpplague | hmm, doesn't ring a bell |
| 02:36:25 | scanline | is away: watching spaceballs |
| 02:41:31 | prpplague | as_: hows the tech job market in the uk these days? |
| 02:42:41 | as_ | I havnt found out yet. |
| 02:43:15 | prpplague | ahh |
| 02:43:39 | prpplague | as_: still a student, or are you still bumming off your parents? |
| 02:43:52 | as_ | I like to think a bit of both. |
| 02:44:09 | as_ | I'm retraining, my first degree was chemistry. |
| 02:44:32 | prpplague | ahh |
| 02:44:35 | as_ | But well paid chemistry jobs outside biochem are mythical. |
| 02:44:41 | prpplague | lol |
| 02:44:48 | prpplague | as_: need to come to texas |
| 02:45:01 | prpplague | as_: oil field chemistry is big bucks |
| 02:45:07 | as_ | Texas bothers me. |
| 02:45:11 | prpplague | lol |
| 02:45:21 | as_ | You need a licence to buy lab glassware. |
| 02:45:29 | as_ | That is not sane. |
| 02:45:35 | prpplague | in texas? |
| 02:45:42 | as_ | Yup. |
| 02:45:54 | prpplague | i buy it all the time to brew beer with no licenses |
| 02:46:35 | as_ | It doesnt cover a lot of basic types, beakers test tubes etc. |
| 02:46:51 | as_ | Its designed to stop people making drugs I think. |
| 02:46:53 | prpplague | hmm, didn't know that |
| 02:47:12 | prpplague | ohh well |
| 02:47:30 | as_ | Having said that, UK isnt at all friendly to chemists. |
| 02:47:50 | as_ | Too many stupid laws. |
| 02:47:53 | prpplague | most of the corrosion engineers make 6 figures easy |
| 02:48:21 | prpplague | as_: ya i've heard about alot of laws about chemicals that are used by the IRA |
| 02:48:26 | as_ | Ack, I did corrosion as a 3rd year project, it was dull as dishwater. |
| 02:48:32 | prpplague | lol |
| 02:48:59 | as_ | Set up a bit of nickle foil with a 4 point resistance measurement setup, left it in acid overnight. |
| 02:49:07 | prpplague | i designed a electrical resistance embedded device that measures corrosion |
| 02:49:15 | as_ | Then had to copy all the data from the logger manually. |
| 02:49:25 | prpplague | ya same stuff |
| 02:49:51 | as_ | 4 point resistance measurement is a very cool idea. |
| 02:49:55 | prpplague | except we collected data over 1 year |
| 02:50:21 | as_ | But spending weeks doing the same foil experiments over again was a really dull thing to be doing. |
| 02:51:07 | as_ | I wouldnt have minded, but we were told it was a library project. |
| 02:51:55 | as_ | IRA seems to have no trouble getting premade explosives, I doubt the laws do anything here. |
| 02:54:08 | prpplague | as_: well i'd love to move to the uk, but i'm not sure what the requirments are for americans to live and work over there |
| 02:54:23 | as_ | They need to be certified. |
| 02:54:32 | as_ | Hmm, or is that certifiable. |
| 02:54:50 | prpplague | as_: i'm a certified nut.. does that count? |
| 02:55:01 | as_ | Thats what I meant ;] |
| 02:55:11 | prpplague | lol |
| 02:55:42 | as_ | Joke lost to intercontinental dialect difference but nm. |
| 02:56:20 | prpplague | lol |
| 02:56:30 | as_ | Most people over here think seriosly about going to the US to work. |
| 02:56:40 | as_ | Mainly it has to be said, for money. |
| 02:57:20 | as_ | Computer jobs are vastly more well paid in the US. |
| 02:57:38 | as_ | Network admin would be lucky to make 25K dollers in the UK. |
| 02:58:10 | prpplague | 25k quid? |
| 02:58:21 | as_ | USD. |
| 02:58:34 | as_ | After converting. |
| 02:58:48 | KeyserSoze | anyone ever notice any discoloration on their tuxes LCD? |
| 02:58:58 | prpplague | yes |
| 02:59:01 | KeyserSoze | mine has a bit of yellow at the bottom, when viewed head on. |
| 02:59:15 | as_ | Before or after the coffie spill? |
| 02:59:19 | KeyserSoze | was it releated to anything you did? |
| 03:00:18 | prpplague | KeyserSoze: as i was testing a new power supply i noticed variations in voltage cause the tuxscreen board/lcd to discolor around the bottom portion of the lcd |
| 03:00:46 | prpplague | as_: is 25k enough to live on in the uk? |
| 03:01:21 | as_ | Living costs are about the same as in the US Id think. We might pay more tax though. |
| 03:01:40 | KeyserSoze | ah, shit. i too have a new power supply. |
| 03:01:51 | prpplague | hmmm, thats not much to live on then |
| 03:01:54 | KeyserSoze | when I used it yesterday it worked fine. |
| 03:02:16 | prpplague | as_: i could use 20k quid on beer alone |
| 03:02:33 | KeyserSoze | how much variation was in the voltage? |
| 03:02:48 | as_ | Youd get a lot less for your money, alcohol is taxed quite heavily. |
| 03:03:01 | prpplague | on the 5v end +-1v |
| 03:03:04 | as_ | I'm told they sell pure ethanol in the US, everclear? |
| 03:03:11 | as_ | Youd never get that here. |
| 03:03:11 | prpplague | as_: yep |
| 03:03:41 | as_ | 1 Litre of alcohol would probably be over 50 UKP. |
| 03:04:27 | as_ | Avarage wage for a university leaver is 16K/year (UKP). |
| 03:04:45 | prpplague | as_: but thats the thing, US="hard core pure fast" UK="quality time flavor" |
| 03:04:51 | KeyserSoze | prpplague: thanks. now I know what to look for. |
| 03:04:56 | prpplague | np |
| 03:05:17 | as_ | Quality, ha. |
| 03:05:18 | prpplague | KeyserSoze: just remeber, if you let the magic smoke out, it doesn't work anymore...... |
| 03:05:32 | as_ | chuckles. |
| 03:06:32 | prpplague | as_: i'd take a tinny of boddingtons over budweiser anyday |
| 03:06:33 | as_ | People over here look at equivalent jobs in the US and salaries are x2 maybe x3 what they are here. |
| 03:06:53 | as_ | I wouldnt drink either of them, I like Belgiun beer, haha. |
| 03:07:01 | prpplague | as_: a moron of a sysadmin in dallas can make $200k easy |
| 03:07:10 | KeyserSoze | jeesus, i'm a spaz. |
| 03:07:17 | as_ | Thats an insane amount of money here. |
| 03:07:27 | KeyserSoze | the screen saver went on, turning the screen black. |
| 03:07:27 | KeyserSoze | i nearly wet myself. |
| 03:07:34 | prpplague | lol |
| 03:07:48 | as_ | Doctors here make 50k, thats a lot of money here. |
| 03:08:04 | as_ | That would be what, 75K US, something like that. |
| 03:08:42 | KeyserSoze | a sysadmin can make $200k? |
| 03:08:51 | KeyserSoze | i'm in the wron line of work... |
| 03:08:56 | KeyserSoze | s/wron/wrong |
| 03:08:59 | prpplague | as_: ya but most of the medical profession is government controled in the uk, local docs here make $500k |
| 03:09:14 | KeyserSoze | 500K?!?! |
| 03:09:33 | prpplague | pours a frosty glass of "theakston old peculier" |
| 03:09:50 | KeyserSoze | maybe the midwest is a backward little region, where salaries are half that of other locals. |
| 03:09:52 | as_ | Ive had that, as I recall it wasnt half bad. |
| 03:10:18 | KeyserSoze | as: 500k, of theakston old peculier? |
| 03:10:24 | KeyserSoze | s/of/or |
| 03:10:32 | as_ | The latter. |
| 03:10:36 | prpplague | as_: wow, its got a strong aroma |
| 03:11:15 | prpplague | not bad, nice hoppy after taste |
| 03:11:24 | as_ | I prefer Belgiun beer, heavy on the malt, 14% odd stuff. |
| 03:11:34 | prpplague | as_: chimay? |
| 03:11:43 | prpplague | KeyserSoze: where bouts are you? |
| 03:12:00 | as_ | Hmm, Ive tried that, I cant remeber what it was like. |
| 03:12:22 | as_ | I like one called Guilden Drak. |
| 03:12:37 | KeyserSoze | grand rapids, michigan |
| 03:12:54 | as_ | But there was another one, trappest ale, came in stoneware bottles, but they stopped selling it here. |
| 03:13:04 | KeyserSoze | brb icecream |
| 03:13:45 | prpplague | as_: st.sebastian ? |
| 03:14:03 | as_ | I cant remeber. I have a bottle of it downstairs I think. |
| 03:14:17 | prpplague | http://www.ratebeer.com/ShowBeer.asp?BeerID=4493 |
| 03:15:57 | as_ | Not that one, but a similar bottle, just with a cork I think. |
| 03:16:12 | prpplague | ohh |
| 03:17:30 | prpplague | as_: anyway salaries in texas right now are through the roof |
| 03:18:21 | as_ | Doesnt seem to have a guilden drak. |
| 03:19:07 | prpplague | ya i looked and didn't see it |
| 03:21:13 | as_ | Found something interesting, a 256Kx8 FIFO memory. |
| 03:21:23 | as_ | 30ns. |
| 03:22:39 | as_ | Paid a fortune for a 512x9 FIFO at 12ns/ |
| 03:22:59 | as_ | And thats 512 Words, not 512Kwords. FIFOs are normally insanly expensive. |
| 03:25:00 | prpplague | argh, don;t think i'll make it to 115 tonight |
| 03:26:00 | as_ | 115? |
| 03:28:29 | prpplague | as_: 115 rated beers - http://www.ratebeer.com/ViewUser.asp?UserID=1210&SortBy=1 |
| 03:30:28 | pmisfit | prpplague: are you serious about the salaries in dallas? |
| 03:30:39 | as_ | Cool. |
| 03:31:45 | prpplague | pmisfit: ya there are very high, as well as in houston |
| 03:33:26 | pmisfit | prpplague: weird. sounds like san francisco 5 years ago. |
| 03:34:22 | prpplague | pmisfit: don't get me wrong, these aren;t like a lot of the jobs you here about in california, most of these companies will work your ass off for that money |
| 03:34:52 | prpplague | 60-70 hour weeks, 24x7 on-call, |
| 03:38:38 | KeyserSoze | on call for what? |
| 03:39:17 | prpplague | problems, |
| 03:39:47 | as_ | Ball falls out of mouse. |
| 03:40:03 | as_ | PC needs reseting. |
| 03:40:18 | KeyserSoze | solution: optical mice |
| 03:40:31 | as_ | NOOOOO! |
| 03:40:33 | prpplague | as_: coffee in keyboard |
| 03:40:49 | prpplague | as_: code red virus |
| 03:40:53 | as_ | If the ball stops falling out of the mice, they dont need you anymore. |
| 03:41:28 | as_ | Its called overoptimising yourself out of a job. |
| 03:41:54 | as_ | Broken drink holder. |
| 03:42:58 | KeyserSoze | that sounds like help desk stuff. |
| 03:43:13 | KeyserSoze | they probably pay the help desk guys $15/hour, where I work |
| 03:43:48 | prpplague | KeyserSoze: but thats the key, most of these places don't have "help desks" the sysadmin does it all |
| 03:44:46 | KeyserSoze | damn. so that's the hell you'd have to go through, to make the big bucks. |
| 03:45:04 | prpplague | yep |
| 03:45:04 | KeyserSoze | the only help for a 100+ illiterate windows users |
| 03:45:15 | prpplague | yep |
| 03:45:44 | as_ | I plan to be a long way away from the CDROM as a cup holder crowd. |
| 03:46:11 | prpplague | lol, good luck |
| 03:46:13 | as_ | A bright future awaits those with a career in electronics! |
| 03:46:20 | as_ | Well. I hope anyway. |
| 03:46:28 | KeyserSoze | "there's money in arc welding!" |
| 03:46:58 | sjm | sighs. |
| 03:47:06 | as_ | That sounds like "theres gold in them there hills". |
| 03:47:19 | KeyserSoze | it was on a poster, in a TV show. |
| 03:47:44 | as_ | Probably about as much turth in it. |
| 03:48:30 | prpplague | sjm: are we putting tou to sleep?lol |
| 03:49:01 | sjm | No, it's frustrating to hear that I make as much as a help-desk kiddie... |
| 03:49:08 | as_ | I think maybe his mind was rebelling at the thought of there being money in electronics. |
| 03:50:27 | pmisfit | sjm: take heart, you could be making less. you could be a schoolteacher. |
| 03:50:37 | sjm | No! |
| 03:50:44 | sjm | I used to be a uni lecturer.... |
| 03:50:45 | KeyserSoze | the $200k texas help desk kiddie, or the $30k michigan help desk kiddie? |
| 03:51:25 | prpplague | sjm: lol, don't worry, from what i've seen of your job its far more interesting that help desk kiddie |
| 03:51:50 | sjm | I'm an embedded hardware engineer, and I get paid as much as a michigan help desk guy. That sucks. |
| 03:51:51 | as_ | I think you mean 200k solution guru. |
| 03:52:19 | as_ | I dont care how stupid they are, they wont pay 200k a year for a job with kiddie in the title. |
| 03:52:49 | prpplague | sjm: well if its any concolation, i hated living in dallas, so i moved to a place i could do embedded development but get paid the same as a help desk kiddie too |
| 03:53:13 | prpplague | sjm: and besides, we could be like our friend from lineo, i.e. no job |
| 03:53:37 | pmisfit | http://chroniclesofgeorge.nanc.com |
| 03:53:39 | as_ | Now if there was a way to combine Tao and network admin, we could have some serios money. |
| 03:54:05 | sjm | embedded linux seems to be taking off here - I know of several companies that are starting up. I am trying to get my foot in their doors as a consultant. |
| 03:54:34 | prpplague | "His grasp on the written word is shakier than a canoe full of epileptics. |
| 03:54:34 | prpplague | " rofl |
| 03:54:40 | KeyserSoze | where are you at, sjm? |
| 03:54:43 | sjm | by starting up, I mean starting to use linux |
| 03:54:57 | sjm | melbourne, australia |
| 03:55:35 | as_ | Arnt people embedding linux worried that people will hack the internals more easily? |
| 03:55:39 | KeyserSoze | crap. my girlfriend and I have been talking about moving to austrailia. i thought tech jobs paid pretty well over there. |
| 03:56:09 | sjm | better than most, but still well down on us salaries... |
| 03:57:27 | KeyserSoze | what kind of company do you work for? |
| 03:57:28 | sjm | good sysadmins could expect maybe US$35-50k |
| 03:57:49 | prpplague | pmisfit: thats a funny page - You'd press ctrl-alt-del and he'd pop out and kick your ass. |
| 03:57:49 | KeyserSoze | i'm at a little aerospace/defense contractor, as a software engineer. |
| 03:58:09 | as_ | Its 5am, and my brain is telling me in no uncertain terms I need sleep. Nite all. |
| 03:58:18 | sjm | KeyserSoze: It's a security company - developing HW/SW for commercial/industrial security. |
| 03:58:21 | prpplague | as_: nite |
| 04:00:32 | prpplague | pmisfit: that page is killing me |
| 04:06:45 | prpplague | pmisfit: curse you, i'm going to be sore from all the laughing |
| 04:06:54 | sjm | wonders what nationality george is |
| 04:07:14 | KeyserSoze | born and raised american, it said. |
| 04:07:22 | KeyserSoze | native english speaker his whole life |
| 04:08:13 | pmisfit | prpplague: no sweat. |
| 04:08:29 | pmisfit | sjm: he's 100% american. from houston. |
| 04:10:22 | pmisfit | maybe that's why they pay so well in texas ;-) |
| 04:10:25 | jacques | what was that about houston? |
| 04:10:34 | jacques | im a texan |
| 04:10:40 | jacques | living in california |
| 04:10:45 | pmisfit | jacques: a french texan? |
| 04:10:50 | jacques | was in houston for 14 years |
| 04:10:56 | jacques | pmisfit: cajun |
| 04:11:06 | KeyserSoze | ever know a guy named george? |
| 04:11:12 | jacques | i would not live in dallas tho |
| 04:11:18 | jacques | KeyserSoze: yeah |
| 04:11:32 | pmisfit | jacques: of course. forgot about that. |
| 04:11:39 | KeyserSoze | did he say "havening" instead of "having"? |
| 04:11:55 | pmisfit | i lived in big d for 2 years. hated it. |
| 04:12:12 | jacques | i like texas, but dallas kinda sucks, and austin has gotten way too expensive |
| 04:12:24 | prpplague | Havening, transfering...at least she's not receivening. Someone shoot me. |
| 04:12:24 | jacques | i didnt even like houston too much - why i moved |
| 04:12:36 | prpplague | jacques: houston isn't a fun place |
| 04:12:52 | prpplague | jacques: now austin is a different story |
| 04:14:17 | jacques | prpplague: I used to really want to live in austin, but in the last few years houston costs there have skyrocketed |
| 04:14:47 | jacques | not houston, HOUSING |
| 04:14:54 | jacques | :-\ |
| 04:15:20 | pmisfit | when i lived in dallas i was heading south on i35 every weekend i could... |
| 04:16:02 | pmisfit | as the austin lounge lizards said, |
| 04:16:16 | pmisfit | "most cities have soul, but dallas must have been at the bank when they passed it around" |
| 04:16:33 | prpplague | lol |
| 04:17:17 | jacques | heh, houston too |
| 04:17:23 | pmisfit | guess it doesn't matter where you live, as long as you're havening fun. |
| 04:17:28 | pmisfit | ;-) |
| 04:17:53 | prpplague | pmisfit: http://chroniclesofgeorge.nanc.com/tickets17.htm |
| 04:18:02 | prpplague | pmisfit: the one about replicate |
| 04:18:15 | prpplague | pmisfit: man i need to collect some of our calls |
| 04:19:44 | prpplague | aargh, i'm out of here guys, i can't stand anymore of these cases |
| 04:19:49 | prpplague | night all |
| 04:20:40 | KeyserSoze | g'night. |
| 04:21:30 | pmisfit | night |
| 04:22:37 | jacques | nigjt |
| 04:22:39 | jacques | night |
| 04:22:47 | prpplague | pmisfit: one more thing - you watched this - http://chroniclesofgeorge.nanc.com/base.swf |
| 04:23:50 | sjm | movening as well.... |
| 04:25:35 | prpplague | night alll |
| 07:26:06 | sjm | heading home, night all |
| 07:27:13 | jacques | night |
| 07:56:32 | bmidgley | is away: I'm busy |
| 07:56:36 | bmidgley | is back |
| 08:31:30 | pmisfit | is away: sleeeeepies |
| 14:15:06 | prpplague | morning all |
| 14:20:17 | prpplague | TomW: howdy |
| 14:20:28 | prpplague | RedBeard: howdy |
| 14:20:38 | RedBeard | mroning prpplague |
| 14:20:40 | TomW | prpplague: Morning |
| 14:20:43 | RedBeard | morning too |
| 14:21:08 | RedBeard | hi TomW |
| 14:21:09 | TomW | RedBeard: Yeah, I've been mroning about the house today... ;-) |
| 14:21:14 | RedBeard | hehe |
| 14:21:26 | RedBeard | I've been doing that for about 4 weeks now |
| 14:21:32 | prpplague | TomW: how goes the dev board? |
| 14:21:45 | prpplague | TomW: i'm going to hack on mine this weekend |
| 14:22:34 | TomW | prpplague: I was thinking about that (dev board). I have a Tux that I am attempting to install a 10G notebook drive into. The electronics will be driven by the signals on J602. |
| 14:23:05 | prpplague | TomW: interesting |
| 14:23:31 | TomW | prpplague: I came back inside the house to Gerber the files for the interface board and get them out to Alberta Printed Circuits this morning. Maybe with luck, I will have the PCB back on Saturday. |
| 14:23:52 | prpplague | TomW: nice |
| 14:25:03 | TomW | The J602 connector will be a pain in the butt to hook anything up to. There doesn't seemm to be any connectors that can be mounted on it and still have room to run an IPC cable off of without inteference from the Analog board. So, I will have to solder wires onto it.. |
| 14:27:02 | prpplague | TomW: fun |
| 14:27:22 | prpplague | TomW: what are you going to do for a production sa-1100 core? |
| 14:41:49 | TomW | prpplague: Not going to use the SA-1100. The use of the Tux is to evaluate the use of ARM processors in future designs, not necessarily to use the StrongARM. I can drop the clock speed on the SA-1100 to get a better idea of what one of the 75MHz Cirrus ARM chips would be capable of doing. |
| 14:43:01 | prpplague | TomW: thats right, we already discussed that, so have you made up you mind on which CPU to use? |
| 14:45:02 | TomW | Not even sure to use ARM, still investigating. Right now, I am mucking about the kernel tree seeing how they laid the code out in memory (memory map), looking at the routines that install the vector tables, etc. |
| 14:45:32 | TomW | ... Meanwhile, I have other paying work to do.. |
| 15:49:53 | prpplague | SpaceCoaster: howdy |
| 15:49:57 | prpplague | mallum: howdy |
| 15:50:06 | prpplague | mallum: hows biz/ |
| 15:50:47 | SpaceCoaster | prpplague: hi, anyone been playing with the speak freely stuff from john walker? |
| 15:51:42 | prpplague | SpaceCoaster: not me, i'm buried in legacy SCO unix to linux migration |
| 15:52:19 | SpaceCoaster | sco, eeh gads, you poor, poor chap |
| 15:53:01 | SpaceCoaster | did some sco stuff but he got over it |
| 15:53:32 | SpaceCoaster | prpplague: thing is SCO was legacy when it was new. |
| 15:53:53 | prpplague | SpaceCoaster: lol, yep |
| 15:56:08 | mallum | hello prpplague |
| 15:56:32 | mallum | SpaceCoaster: I played with speek freely on my ipaq |
| 15:56:47 | mallum | SpaceCoaster: people could here me .... |
| 15:57:59 | SpaceCoaster | mallum: wouldn't it be kinda cool to have a TuxScreen speak freely conference call? |
| 15:58:36 | mallum | SpaceCoaster: yes indeedy |
| 15:58:44 | mallum | SpaceCoaster: no need for damn IRC then ;) |
| 16:00:04 | SpaceCoaster | mallum: well don't know 'bout that, once you hear my whiney, limey voice you might change your tune :-) |
| 16:00:25 | mallum | heh, me too |
| 16:02:42 | SpaceCoaster | oops, forgot that, sorry, yanks think we all sound gay, oops prpplague is from the south, no yankees there, damn, oops shouldn't swear they don't like that in utah :-) |
| 16:02:55 | prpplague | lol |
| 16:03:33 | prpplague | SpaceCoaster: we're both yanks to mallum |
| 16:05:08 | SpaceCoaster | mallum: so how easy was "speak freely" to setup? |
| 16:05:22 | mallum | SpaceCoaster: ipkg install speekfreely |
| 16:05:38 | mallum | SpaceCoaster: I think it is pretty easy |
| 16:06:04 | mallum | SpaceCoaster: could get my firewall to allow incoming stuff though :( , though that was more my crapness with iptables |
| 16:06:50 | SpaceCoaster | hmm, might have to ask my ISP to hack the router. |
| 16:08:35 | SpaceCoaster | mallum: any ideas what we would need on the TuxScreen that we haven't already got? |
| 16:10:06 | mallum | quake III ;) ? |
| 16:10:44 | mallum | My tuxscreen is in pieces I still gotta get a case for it |
| 16:10:59 | mallum | I bought all this perspex, but couldn't get it to cut cleanly :( |
| 16:11:55 | SpaceCoaster | mallum: nah, for the conference call, what hw/sw would people need? |
| 16:13:54 | mallum | speaker/mike |
| 16:17:11 | SpaceCoaster | so a shanip board, do the current kernels support audio (if a shanip is installed) ? |
| 16:29:42 | bmidgley | is there more info on shanip2 than the circuit diagram? pics? instructions? |
| 16:33:17 | CosmicPenguin | morning all |
| 16:33:28 | mallum | ho CosmicPenguin |
| 16:35:24 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: morning |
| 16:42:57 | andersee | morning tim |
| 16:43:04 | andersee | just woke up |
| 16:44:43 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: late night last night... :) |
| 16:45:39 | andersee | yup |
| 16:46:27 | mallum | stupid ot question, how do I convert a win32 textfile to a unix one ... ( I thought perl -pe's/\r//g' file.w32 > file.unx did it ... ) |
| 16:47:01 | andersee | run 'dos2unix' |
| 16:47:24 | mallum | no dos2unix on this box Im on :( |
| 16:47:47 | andersee | busybox has one... |
| 16:48:22 | mallum | :) |
| 16:48:58 | BZFlag | sed -e 's/^V^M//' < file > fixedfile |
| 16:50:30 | andersee | mallum: You have to use <CTRL>V to compose a proper ^M |
| 16:50:57 | BZFlag | yeah, those are ctrl-v and ctrl-m not the text. |
| 16:51:14 | mallum | yep |
| 16:54:36 | mallum | oh man this a mac file ! |
| 16:54:50 | mallum | ^m -> \n right ? |
| 16:57:53 | BZFlag | mallum: yep. sed -e 's/^V^M/\n/' < file > fixedfile might work? |
| 16:58:27 | mallum | yeah I got it now |
| 16:58:33 | mallum | thanks for all your help |
| 16:59:02 | kergoth | andersee: busybox from cvs.. using the cml config system.. does that buildsystem create symjlinks on make install? |
| 16:59:36 | mallum | html'er on this job Im doing ( from home ) has open all my source files and re saved them for some reason - then mailed me saying 'non of your stuff works' .... grrrr |
| 17:05:00 | andersee | kergoth: yup. Hard or soft, your choice |
| 17:05:18 | kergoth | k.. odd. busybox.links ends up empty in my build. must be missing something. |
| 17:05:18 | kergoth | thanks |
| 17:12:53 | andersee | kergoth: Hmm. I've not really tested that since changing the config system... perhaps I missed something.. |
| 17:13:06 | kergoth | nah |
| 17:13:07 | kergoth | it works |
| 17:13:27 | kergoth | just doesnt like it when i run the crosscompilation... i likely missed something in my buildsystem when it calls out yours |
| 17:43:35 | pmisfit | is back (gone 09:12:05) |
| 17:43:50 | pmisfit | morning (afternoon?) |
| 17:54:39 | fontenot | hi all |
| 17:54:46 | fontenot | i am up waay too late |
| 18:02:22 | prpplague | pmisfit: i'm still cursing you for that web page last night |
| 18:02:43 | prpplague | pmisfit: i had a sore throat from all the laughing |
| 18:15:12 | prpplague | TomW: hey, on your arm project, are you still looking at using a QFP vs. BGA ? |
| 18:17:24 | TomW | prpplague: yes, that would be ideal. |
| 18:17:36 | pmisfit | prpplague: :-) |
| 18:17:57 | prpplague | TomW: which one are you leaning towards? |
| 18:18:34 | pmisfit | fontenot: aren't you in california? |
| 18:19:34 | TomW | Although, I was talking with a student in my class, he has an IR oven for doing surface mount. I asked him about BGA, but he wasn't sure about if he could do them. I have talked with other assembly houses and they say that if you can do the SMT, then you can do BGA. |
| 18:22:52 | TomW | I was looking at the Cirrus 7312. |
| 18:25:51 | TomW | prpplague: Of course, the 9312 looks even better, IF I can get around the PBGA problem (mounting them onto PCBs). |
| 18:58:44 | scanline | is back (gone 16:22:20) |
| 19:05:10 | pmisfit | andersee: well after reading init.c, i think i can do /dev/initctl, but... |
| 19:05:33 | andersee | pmisfit: but... |
| 19:05:38 | pmisfit | andersee: one of the key commands seems to be INIT_CMD_RUNLVL |
| 19:05:51 | pmisfit | andersee: so... do i need to implement runlevels too? |
| 19:06:14 | andersee | pmisfit: Nah, just ignore that one. busybox init has two runlevels -- go and stop. :) |
| 19:06:47 | andersee | pmisfit: We should accept that cmd, just do not react to it |
| 19:06:47 | pmisfit | andersee: a very simple, no-BS, noo yawk kind of init, eh? ;-) |
| 19:06:54 | andersee | yup |
| 19:07:44 | pmisfit | andersee: ok.. well if i get a request for runlevel 0 or 6, i'll stop. otherwise, i'll just shrug. |
| 19:08:26 | pmisfit | andersee: it's kind of a nifty little protocol, actually. |
| 19:11:05 | andersee | pmisfit: yup. That will also require a change to halt/reboot/poweroff -- but should simplify them considerably... No more need to get the correct pid for init |
| 19:12:48 | pmisfit | andersee: hmm. does a single-user mode make any sense? i.e. just exec /bin/sh? |
| 19:13:22 | BZFlag | I'd vote for it. |
| 19:13:27 | andersee | pmisfit: yes. I already support that too. Look at the beginning of init_main() |
| 19:13:31 | BZFlag | /bin/sh on the console. |
| 19:13:45 | BZFlag | I mean line "init s" would get you there. |
| 19:13:57 | andersee | yup |
| 19:14:02 | andersee | That already works. |
| 19:14:12 | BZFlag | and run levels would not be too tough to do in any case. |
| 19:14:14 | andersee | Though the implementation is pretty hackish |
| 19:14:47 | pmisfit | sounds fair. |
| 19:15:37 | pmisfit | i'm just trying to make sure i don't patch this thing so heavily that it *becomes* gnu init.c ;-) |
| 19:15:41 | BZFlag | pmisfit: wanna fix the getty killing while your in there? things on say /dev/tty4 should happen as long as /dev/tty4 can be opened for write. not the current "if console=serial then stop all gettys" |
| 19:16:05 | BZFlag | pmisfit: yes, avoid bloat. ;-) |
| 19:16:56 | pmisfit | BZFlag: i'll do that once i get the first part done (/dev/initctl, and a few runlevels) |
| 19:18:26 | BZFlag | sweet |
| 19:18:29 | pmisfit | ok my head is filled with gnu init.c. gonna get some food, then go through busybox init.c again. |
| 19:18:46 | pmisfit | and then... out come the scissors... |
| 19:19:24 | pmisfit | seriously, if i lift a few functions mostly verbatim from gnu init.c, that's ok license-wise, right? |
| 19:21:20 | pmisfit | is away: eating |
| 19:21:56 | andersee | According to /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/copyright sysvinit is GPL... |
| 19:23:49 | SweD | hello |
| 19:23:57 | SweD | a french man on your server |
| 19:24:10 | SweD | lol putin j'parle pas un mot d'anglais moi |
| 19:49:04 | scanline | is away: egg drop competition... dropping stuff off a 7 story building for fun |
| 21:12:16 | styles | cls |
| 21:13:00 | styles | is anyone aware of why a scsi emulator detects my USB hub rather that my CD-RW and CD-ROM devices |
| 21:24:06 | scanline | is back (gone 01:35:02) |
| 21:36:51 | Morn | hi everyone |
| 21:51:51 | signal11 | whats new |
| 22:07:03 | MacAtack | how hard would it be to hack a USB interface into the Tux? |
| 22:33:23 | BZFlag | MacAtack: nigh unto impossible. |
| 22:33:32 | MacAtack | sucky |
| 22:33:50 | BZFlag | early sa1100 chips have very very very buggy usb issues. |
| 22:33:58 | MacAtack | any more developments with the DSP that's onboard? |
| 22:34:29 | BZFlag | if you removed the sa1100 and added a much later revision, it might be possible, but even the last sa1100's have ubb issues. |
| 22:34:48 | BZFlag | and moving to a sa1110 would not be easy cause of the packaging. |
| 22:35:16 | MacAtack | that's ruff :( |
| 22:35:34 | BZFlag | the tuxphone binary does most dsp functions now. with the shanip board VoIP should be possible, though I have not done it. |
| 22:36:18 | BZFlag | what did you want usb for? recall that the sa11x0 usb is just the client, not the host. |
| 22:36:23 | MacAtack | ahh very nice... i haven't had much time to play with my Tux(s) I might have to find some time to see about getting VoIP up and running |
| 22:37:28 | MacAtack | BZFlag: we have a VoIP USB device we would have liked to connect to the Tux... So we could off load the processor intensive stuff onto a DSP (G.723.1) |
| 22:38:20 | MacAtack | but the ARM should be able to deal with 1 channel of GSM without any issues (i don't believe) |
| 22:48:14 | BZFlag | we don't have the source to the dsp code. not sure if it could do it. but one channel GSM should be easy on the sa1100 even at 133 and we run the tux and 193 |
| 22:49:07 | MacAtack | yeah that's the ez part.. the hard part ~might~ be getting an h.323 or SIP stack to execute on the ARM |
| 22:52:51 | BZFlag | bbiab |
| 23:51:31 | scanline | is away: invading space, with style, at 25 mHz. |
| 23:53:50 | scanline | is away: Invading space yet again.. (and X-chat should stop crashing) |