| 00:05:48 | | Morn: New York City, Central Park, NY, United States; (KNYC) 40-47-00N 073-58-00W 48M; last updated: Apr 16, 2002 06:51 PM EDT; Dew Point: 59.0 F (15.0 C); Pressure (altimeter): 30.04 in. Hg (1017 hPa); Pressure tendency: 0.10 inches (3.4 hPa) higher than three hours ago; Relative Humidity: 44%; Sky conditions: clear; Temperature: 82.9 F (28.3 C); Visibility: 10 mile(s); Weather: Haze; Wind: from the S (170 degrees) at 8 MPH (7 KT) (direction variable) |
| 00:05:48 | Morn | ibot: weather KNYC |
| 00:41:25 | prpplague | howdy all |
| 00:43:07 | andersee | evening |
| 00:46:35 | prpplague | andersee: you get "goose island" beer where your at? |
| 00:48:24 | BZFlag | perhaps "antelope island" ;-) |
| 00:48:53 | BZFlag | but it would be "antelope island root beer" |
| 00:49:14 | prpplague | lol |
| 00:49:28 | BZFlag | andersee: so did you move the usp from car to wall without a reboot? |
| 00:49:35 | BZFlag | er ups |
| 00:54:33 | andersee | tried. My UPS is complete trash (which is where it will soon be going) |
| 00:54:34 | prpplague | doh |
| 01:08:50 | pmisfit | hmm. has anyone built the OLD (2.0.4), working blob from sources? |
| 01:09:18 | pmisfit | i need to change the default baudrate :-/ |
| 01:20:06 | pmisfit | notices mention of #blob in docs |
| 01:20:15 | pmisfit | sorry, will ask over there instead. |
| 01:21:25 | jacques | what did I miss? |
| 02:19:00 | pmisfit | jacques: just asked a random question, received no answer, and realized i can ask it on #blob instead |
| 02:19:47 | pmisfit | jacques: probably get no answer there too, lists seem quiet 2nite. |
| 02:20:57 | pmisfit | jacques: and the same cast of characters there too anyway. |
| 02:33:48 | jacques | pmisfit: sorry got distracted by work |
| 02:33:59 | jacques | yeah things are quiet today and yesterday |
| 02:42:07 | Keyser | arg. anyone here? |
| 02:42:12 | Russ | ya |
| 02:42:17 | Keyser | i tried to extend the touchscreen cable |
| 02:42:25 | Russ | uh-oh |
| 02:42:30 | Keyser | desoldered the socket, put a 6" length of ribbon in. |
| 02:42:48 | Keyser | attached the other end to the socket, and plugged in the little plastic thing. |
| 02:43:12 | Keyser | when I start pgserver, I can click the apps menu, but only half of it. i can't click the system menu at all. |
| 02:43:24 | Russ | maybe something shorted |
| 02:43:41 | Keyser | not that I can see. |
| 02:43:50 | Russ | test for continuity |
| 02:44:42 | Keyser | hmm. don't know where to. the only parts exposed are on the wires I soldered. |
| 02:47:42 | Keyser | ]]]]]]]]]]]]] |
| 02:51:44 | Keyser | sorry, bumped the keyboard |
| 02:52:07 | Keyser | the odd thing is, i can open the apps menu, and when I click anywhere else on the screen, it closes the app menu |
| 02:52:22 | Keyser | so why doesn't the system menu work? |
| 02:56:51 | jacques | hi i have a linux question |
| 02:57:10 | jacques | does linux have something like iostat ? I cant find it |
| 02:57:29 | jacques | I want to see the activity level of an IDE drive |
| 02:58:11 | Russ | vmstat |
| 02:58:23 | Russ | try vmstat -n 1 |
| 02:58:43 | Russ | if you want iostat |
| 02:58:48 | Russ | apt-get install sysstat |
| 03:05:39 | jacques | Russ: thanks! I just installed sysstat rpm |
| 03:08:29 | Russ | the wonders of apt-cache search |
| 03:26:46 | Keyser | ahah! |
| 03:27:08 | Keyser | the touchscreen coordinates are flipped, on the x and y axes! |
| 05:28:33 | scanline | is away: ZzZzz |
| 05:31:36 | Keyser | anyone home? |
| 05:41:36 | Keyser | ARG! |
| 05:41:40 | Keyser | export does nothing! |
| 05:46:15 | BZFlag | huh? |
| 05:47:42 | Keyser | i tried to export PATH, and when I create a new shell, it does not have the new value. |
| 05:47:52 | Keyser | (sorry for yelling, i meant to be in another window) |
| 05:48:31 | BZFlag | .bashrc or similar resetting it? |
| 05:49:46 | Keyser | no, it's not in .bashrc |
| 05:50:00 | Keyser | I made the change in .bash_profile, and it was the same change I made at the prompt. |
| 05:50:09 | sjm | If you set a variable in one shell, then start another instance of that shell, it's not supposed to inherit it. |
| 05:50:23 | Keyser | it is if you export it. |
| 05:50:27 | Keyser | (i thought) |
| 05:51:34 | BZFlag | timr@localhost:~$ export FOO=bar |
| 05:51:34 | BZFlag | timr@localhost:~$ bash |
| 05:51:34 | BZFlag | timr@localhost:~$ echo $FOO |
| 05:51:34 | BZFlag | bar |
| 05:51:41 | Keyser | I don't know what's wrong. I try "man export", and it says there is no manpage. I try "whereis export", and it comes back with "export:" |
| 05:52:07 | sjm | that's because bash was spawned from the same shell. |
| 05:52:27 | sjm | open another xterm, and FOO won't exist |
| 05:52:40 | BZFlag | oh, I thought that's what Keyser was doing. no? |
| 05:52:45 | Keyser | really? shows what I know about export. |
| 05:53:50 | Keyser | is there supposed to be a man page for export? I'm nearly positive I read it earlier, and now there isn't one. |
| 05:54:07 | BZFlag | Keyser: what are you trying? try man bash then grp for export. |
| 05:54:08 | jacques | it's a function of the shell |
| 05:54:10 | BZFlag | er grep |
| 05:54:27 | jacques | shell funcs are in chell man page |
| 05:54:29 | jacques | shell |
| 05:54:33 | BZFlag | Keyser: what are you trying to do? |
| 05:54:51 | Keyser | ls |
| 05:54:57 | Keyser | (wrong window) |
| 05:55:19 | BZFlag | echo "yeah, we guessed that" >> Keyser |
| 05:55:46 | Keyser | whew. if you left off a ">", it would have overwritten me. |
| 05:56:05 | Keyser | i was trying to update my PATH with the location of the arm crosscompiler. |
| 05:56:32 | Keyser | and got freaked out when export didn't work the way i thought it did. |
| 05:56:41 | sjm | export PATH=/usr/local/arm-linux/bin:$PATH |
| 05:56:45 | sjm | echo $PATH |
| 05:56:59 | BZFlag | heh, that was on porpoise |
| 05:57:12 | Keyser | yeah, that's what I did. but then i closed the window, and opened a new one, expecting it to be there. |
| 05:57:24 | | andersee was last seen on #tuxscreen 5 hours, 2 minutes and 51 seconds ago, saying: tried. My UPS is complete trash (which is where it will soon be going) [Wed Apr 17 01:54:33 2002] |
| 05:57:24 | jacques | ibot: seen andersee |
| 05:57:27 | sjm | shakes head |
| 05:57:49 | BZFlag | Keyser: under X? you might try adding it to .bash_profile or .profile or worst option .bashrc |
| 05:58:30 | Keyser | yeah, i added it to .bash_profile. but it doesn't pick up .bash_profile for every shell, right? that's why I exported it. |
| 05:58:46 | BZFlag | profiles will need you to restart your xsession. and many Xsession files don't . ~/.*profile so you might need .xsession or some such. |
| 05:59:21 | Keyser | that's what I meant. and i didn't want to restart X |
| 05:59:35 | BZFlag | .bash_profile should be read (imho) before X is started and then things exported there will be set in all children. |
| 06:00:19 | Keyser | i didn't know we were allowed to have opinions about when .pash_profile is read |
| 06:00:31 | Keyser | i mean, we have no choice. |
| 06:00:38 | BZFlag | got to either restart X or start children of the window in which you do the export. ie: |
| 06:00:55 | BZFlag | PATH=$PATH:/opt/Embedix/bin xterm& |
| 06:01:15 | Keyser | did you leave out a ";"? |
| 06:01:35 | BZFlag | no. that set's PATH just for the xterm and it's children. |
| 06:01:48 | Keyser | neat. |
| 06:02:15 | Keyser | cat /dev/null > Keyser |
| 06:02:22 | Keyser | put an end to my suffering. |
| 06:02:24 | Keyser | :) |
| 06:02:32 | BZFlag | >Keyser would be easier. |
| 06:02:53 | Keyser | LOL |
| 06:03:29 | BZFlag | Aelhaz: you around? |
| 06:03:30 | Keyser | that won't write standard input to me, will it? |
| 06:03:53 | BZFlag | nope. that's ./Keyser<&1 |
| 06:04:34 | BZFlag | or: cat - >Keyser if Keyser is a file and not a program. ;-) |
| 06:04:59 | Keyser | do you need the "-"? "cat > Keyser" seems to be sufficient. |
| 06:05:22 | BZFlag | now you're getting it. ;-) |
| 06:05:44 | Keyser | ./Keyser<&1 didn't work in my shell. |
| 06:06:56 | BZFlag | well that presumes that ./Keyser exists and is executable. |
| 06:07:18 | Keyser | not even if i touch myself first, and chmod u+x. |
| 06:07:18 | BZFlag | try cat<&1 |
| 06:07:18 | Keyser | bash: $1: ambiguous redirect |
| 06:07:25 | BZFlag | heh |
| 06:08:02 | BZFlag | it's redundant anyway. ./Keyser already reads from stdin. |
| 06:11:50 | Keyser | lol. i did $ instead of & |
| 06:14:17 | pmisfit | is away: nite-nites |
| 06:49:09 | sjm | date |
| 06:49:32 | sjm | ooops - was checking if it's time to go home yet :) |
| 06:50:33 | jacques | is it? |
| 06:50:48 | sjm | half an hour to go :( |
| 06:50:56 | jacques | :-\ |
| 07:03:44 | jacques | hmmm |
| 13:52:30 | CosmicPenguin | is back (gone 14:31:07) |
| 15:49:55 | scanline | is back (gone 10:21:22) |
| 17:49:31 | scanline | is away: class |
| 18:01:58 | | fontenot_: bugger all, i dunno |
| 18:01:58 | fontenot_ | ibot: why is it so quiet? |
| 18:29:42 | andersee | Howdy all |
| 18:31:13 | sjhill | 'ello andersee |
| 18:36:25 | Tangent | andersee: Hi there.... have you fixed it yet? ... no.. nor me :) |
| 18:41:23 | | Test Failed! |
| 18:41:23 | fontenot_ | ibot: test |
| 18:44:01 | fontenot_ | hi andersee :-) |
| 18:44:12 | fontenot_ | my dsl is being flaky again |
| 18:44:15 | Tangent | fontenot: And where were you when I wanted to hassle you earlier? ;) |
| 18:44:20 | | fontenot_ is nothing but a full-gorged quart of loggerheaded cat-hair-balls. |
| 18:44:20 | sjhill | ibot: insult fontenot_ |
| 18:44:26 | sjhill | neat! |
| 18:47:30 | fontenot_ | Tangent: probably suffering with dsl support |
| 18:47:49 | fontenot_ | i should be asleep |
| 18:48:02 | fontenot_ | but they woke me up to give me yet another case number |
| 18:51:20 | fontenot_ | finally |
| 18:51:29 | CosmicPenguin | Welcome back world! |
| 18:51:41 | fontenot | wb CosmicPenguin |
| 18:51:47 | scanline | is back (gone 01:02:16) |
| 18:51:53 | fontenot | wow, it's a party |
| 18:53:01 | Aelhaz | So, when i tinyx gonna get integrated into buildroot? |
| 18:53:11 | andersee | yeah! What Aelhaz said! |
| 18:53:18 | sjhill | Aelhaz: as soon as you do it my friend |
| 18:53:32 | Aelhaz | heh |
| 18:54:36 | fontenot | :-D |
| 18:54:45 | fontenot | dunno, ask jacques |
| 18:55:15 | fontenot | or answer number 2) when uclibc gets wchar support |
| 18:55:18 | fontenot | :-D |
| 18:55:53 | andersee | fontenot: Manuel is supposed to be checking in the initial stuff soon, but I think the current workarounds are sufficient for now. |
| 18:55:55 | sjhill | wchar...ewww...unicode |
| 18:56:27 | fontenot | andersee: yeah you are right |
| 18:57:35 | andersee | So who is going to get SDL and vectoroids working. :-) http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/vectoroids/ |
| 18:58:18 | fontenot | i got SDL built |
| 18:58:32 | Aelhaz | be great if there were an ssh client & server |
| 18:58:49 | Aelhaz | I fought with lsh for a few days and threw in the towel, since I have no idea what I'm doing anyway |
| 18:59:12 | Aelhaz | wasn't lsh itself that was problematic, never got around to that, I couldn't get the libs it depended on to build |
| 18:59:23 | fontenot | andersee: i got agendaroids working :-) |
| 18:59:29 | andersee | Oh? |
| 18:59:31 | Aelhaz | sure, folks say they can build some old version of it . . |
| 18:59:39 | andersee | Straight to framebuffer? |
| 19:00:18 | fontenot | andersee: not vectoroids, the smaller one - agendaroids, under X. I built it with the toolchain |
| 19:00:29 | fontenot | it's on the working apps lie |
| 19:00:32 | fontenot | list |
| 19:00:47 | andersee | Ahh |
| 19:01:02 | andersee | I though you had gotten SDL running... |
| 19:01:13 | fontenot | well I got SDL built with toolchain |
| 19:01:21 | fontenot | havent tested it too much yet |
| 19:01:37 | fontenot | and certainly havent tested fb support, only X |
| 19:01:44 | CosmicPenguin | I had agendaroids running on the tuxscreen at one point, but it was way stupid with the large screen, so I got rid of it |
| 19:01:58 | fontenot | i kinda liked it |
| 19:03:01 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: Whats the status of microwindows these days? |
| 19:03:18 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: on the tuxscreen or in general? |
| 19:03:26 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: On the tuxscreen. I saw there were some new patches... |
| 19:04:15 | CosmicPenguin | yeah - I saw those too. That was sjm, right? |
| 19:07:09 | andersee | think so |
| 19:07:38 | andersee | Does picogui work currently? |
| 19:07:59 | scanline | Sort of... touchscreen driver needs work, and buildroot doesn't compile any apps yet |
| 19:09:02 | andersee | scanline: What needs to be done for the touchscreen? |
| 19:09:30 | scanline | The driver doesn't yet correctly detect pen-up, and buildroot isn't compiling the calibrator yet |
| 19:09:43 | scanline | you can click things fine with it, but dragging is completely broken |
| 19:09:48 | scanline | I just haven't spent much time on it |
| 19:10:01 | andersee | scanline: I see. I'm hoping to make my tuxscreen start doing useful things... |
| 19:10:08 | scanline | wow :) |
| 19:11:48 | andersee | Kindof shocking I know... |
| 19:12:41 | andersee | my wife was bugging me about her phone not doing anything useful the other day. ;-) |
| 19:13:43 | andersee | So in my copious spare time, I'd like to make it do at least do one useful thing. |
| 19:13:53 | scanline | IRC? |
| 19:14:11 | prpplague_ | andersee: alarm to remind her to vacum? |
| 19:14:14 | andersee | things tinyX is the fastest approach |
| 19:14:17 | andersee | prpplague: hehe |
| 19:14:27 | andersee | prpplague: vacuum is broken |
| 19:14:49 | andersee | prpplague: our house is busy getting crumy |
| 19:14:55 | prpplague_ | ducks to avoid fly pots from mrs.andersee |
| 19:16:04 | Aelhaz | be neat if there were a PIM app to the extent that by prodding at the screen a bit with my finger i could call back numbers in the callerid history or order a pizza, or whatever |
| 19:17:23 | andersee | Aelhaz: I've thought about making a simple libnewt based app to do that |
| 19:18:00 | andersee | Aelhaz: A simple text mode app like that would be simple to write |
| 19:18:06 | Aelhaz | *nox* |
| 19:18:37 | Aelhaz | *nod* too |
| 19:19:38 | scanline | I've got a simple picogui app that operates the phone. It could be extended to store numbers |
| 19:20:26 | scanline | It could use an overhaul though.. picogui's got some features recently that would make the phone app a lot cleaner. |
| 19:22:32 | andersee | scanline: I'm all for it... libnewt works and is simple but the interface is pretty much crap |
| 19:23:21 | andersee | scanline: Except that means picogui has to be usable on the tuxscreen (i.e. touchscreen working and calibrated and whatnot) |
| 19:23:23 | scanline | Very soon we should have Widget Templates, which will basically let you design the entire GUI in XML and compile it into a small efficient format |
| 19:23:53 | scanline | Yeah. So far the only problem with picogui on the Tux is my lack of effort on the touchscreen and buildroot |
| 19:26:32 | andersee | scanline: how much work is needed? |
| 19:26:33 | fontenot | prpplague: LOL |
| 19:27:25 | scanline | andersee: really not much. I already rewrote the touchscreen driver, it just needs debugging. And buildroot just needs to copy the apps and config files into the right place. I might be able to fix it tonight |
| 19:27:49 | scanline | I have similar goals for my tuxscreen it seems :) |
| 19:29:25 | andersee | scanline: Tonight I'm supposed to present something at the local Linux user's group meeting, so I was hoping to get something cool running on the tuxscreen this afternoon |
| 19:29:37 | scanline | ahh |
| 19:30:22 | scanline | Is the touchscreen working on microwindows yet? |
| 19:31:55 | andersee | scanline: apparently so... |
| 19:32:34 | scanline | Are there any phone apps for it yet? |
| 19:32:58 | andersee | Is the touchscreen code similar enough between the two that the microwindows code would likely be helpful? |
| 19:33:07 | andersee | scanline: I don't believe so |
| 19:33:15 | scanline | possibly.. I haven't looked in depth at the microwindows code |
| 19:33:35 | andersee | me either |
| 19:34:09 | scanline | The picogui drivers register callbacks that get inserted into pgserver's select loop, and the callbacks call event dispatching functions |
| 19:34:37 | scanline | I'll see if I can hack on the driver some right now.. it's probably just a simple problem keeping it from working |
| 19:36:42 | kergoth | anyone know offhand why color ls in busybox shows red on the first item in the list, always? |
| 19:36:44 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:36:47 | kergoth | reads ls.c |
| 19:37:17 | andersee | kergoth: it does? |
| 19:37:23 | kergoth | andersee: latest cvs, yeah |
| 19:37:25 | andersee | kergoth: I've not seen it doing that... |
| 19:38:01 | kergoth | odd |
| 19:38:13 | kergoth | everything else is the perfect color, except the first item in the list |
| 19:38:36 | andersee | kergoth: Though I _do_ like the color ls. I've got it on my laptop here and it seems to be working correctly there. busybox 0.60.3pre? |
| 19:38:48 | kergoth | yup, updated & built today |
| 19:38:54 | kergoth | i love color ls :-) |
| 19:39:37 | andersee | Hmm. 'ls', 'ls -la', and 'ls | more' all seem to be working for me. |
| 19:39:41 | kergoth | feels like attaching a gdb and checking for what syscalls are messing with the value of errno |
| 19:39:43 | scanline | adds a whole bunch of debugging to ucb1x00.c |
| 19:39:51 | kergoth | hmm |
| 19:39:52 | andersee | Is this on the tuxscreen? |
| 19:40:02 | andersee | goes and tests on ARM |
| 19:40:06 | kergoth | andersee: nope, zaurus |
| 19:40:11 | kergoth | its strongarm of course, though |
| 19:41:03 | andersee | tests on his NetWinder |
| 19:41:25 | kergoth | hah |
| 19:41:27 | kergoth | works fine on x86 |
| 19:41:31 | kergoth | just not on my zaurus.. |
| 19:41:34 | kergoth | fun fun |
| 19:42:00 | kergoth | perhaps my build of glibc is messed up? errno being misset? |
| 19:42:01 | kergoth | hm |
| 19:44:04 | andersee | I'm rebuilding on my netwinder now. It'll be a minute for the compile to finish. |
| 19:44:36 | kergoth | k, let me know how it goes. |
| 19:45:47 | kergoth | hmm |
| 19:47:26 | kergoth | immediately before the lstat64() of the first item in the list, is a attempted open of /etc/localtime which fails out with NOENT. perhaps the value of errno is being kept from the syscall prior to the lstat? |
| 19:47:42 | kergoth | hah |
| 19:47:47 | kergoth | works fine if i touch /etc/localtime |
| 19:47:48 | kergoth | lol |
| 19:48:05 | andersee | kergoth: works fine for me |
| 19:48:22 | andersee | heh |
| 19:48:39 | andersee | looks at the ls code |
| 19:49:02 | scanline | is away: class |
| 19:49:45 | kergoth | must be glibc opening localtime to check current timezone |
| 19:50:09 | andersee | apparently so. |
| 19:50:27 | kergoth | does errno get set to zero by a successful syscall, or left alone? |
| 19:50:46 | kergoth | it seems in looking at this that it gets left alone, so fgcolor() picks up the value of the last failed syscall |
| 19:51:05 | kergoth | which in this case is a failed open of /etc/localtime |
| 19:52:14 | kergoth | andersee: thanks for the info. got to love strace. ;-) |
| 19:52:28 | andersee | Try adding an 'errno = 0;' in ls.c line 723 |
| 19:53:02 | andersee | And line 749 |
| 19:53:16 | kergoth | yeah, to prevent preexisting errno values, thatd do it |
| 19:53:40 | kergoth | cool |
| 19:53:41 | andersee | Wanna test and lemme know if that fixes it for sure. If so, I'll commit that |
| 19:53:47 | kergoth | will do |
| 19:54:06 | BZFlag | andersee: I took the cto position. ;-) |
| 19:55:34 | fontenot | hi BZFlag |
| 19:58:11 | BZFlag | fontenot: hey |
| 19:58:29 | andersee | BZFlag: for real? |
| 19:58:35 | andersee | BZFlag: cool. |
| 19:59:13 | andersee | BZFlag: Wanna throw some of Lineo's new found financing toward worthy embedded projects? ;-) |
| 20:00:35 | fontenot | BZFlag: you are cto of lineo now? |
| 20:08:46 | BZFlag | fontenot: yes. |
| 20:09:30 | BZFlag | andersee: I would be interested in talking about a lineo/codepoet relationship, if that's what you mean. ;-) |
| 20:10:19 | andersee | I am certain we can develop a meaningful business relationship. |
| 20:10:49 | andersee | BZFlag: fyi -- http://www.sllug.org/ |
| 20:11:15 | andersee | BZFlag: I'm going to bring my tuxscreen and talk about buildroot and such |
| 20:13:25 | BZFlag | sweet. I should arrange to be there. hmm. I think keri has tae kwon do [sp?] |
| 20:15:09 | kergoth | andersee: fyi, setting errno to zero so previous values dont interfere solved the prob. go ahead and commit. thanks again for the assistance. |
| 20:16:23 | andersee | kergoth: cool. Thanks for finding the bug! |
| 20:18:00 | kergoth | np. it was minor, but annoying ;-) |
| 20:21:04 | andersee | kergoth: in CVS now -- both busybox trees |
| 20:21:45 | kergoth | cool |
| 20:37:34 | vosque | departs. |
| 20:38:49 | vosque | arrives. |
| 20:39:29 | vosque | departs. |
| 20:39:41 | vosque | arrives. |
| 20:40:02 | sjhill | gets dizzy |
| 20:44:52 | andersee | goes out in the snow to get the mail |
| 20:46:18 | sjhill | andersee: whoa, so you must live up in the mountains of Utah, how far from Park City? |
| 20:46:33 | sjhill | loves Park City |
| 20:48:21 | vosque | departs. |
| 20:48:39 | vosque | arrives. |
| 20:48:57 | BZFlag | sjhill: andersee is in SLC. perhaps 45 minutes to park city? it's snowing here to 45 minute south of SLC. |
| 20:49:13 | BZFlag | vosque: loos the arrive/depart msgs please. |
| 20:49:13 | sjhill | ah |
| 20:49:22 | vosque | is that still in there? |
| 20:49:23 | vosque | damn |
| 20:57:09 | TomW | GPSFan: I found out why the chkmem function in blob was dying while testing the second bank of memory. |
| 20:58:37 | GPSFan | hey TomW: how you been, sorry I missed your question the other night, I have not upgraded my Tux yet, Round tuit problem among others. I'd be interested in knowing about your adventures with chkmem. |
| 21:00:08 | TomW | BTW, Sears has "tuits" on sale next week, check the flyers. ;-) Blob gets loaded into RAM at 0xC8000400, that is the second bank of RAM, when chkmem starts testing that area it overwrites blob (itself). |
| 21:00:41 | GPSFan | ah! BooM! no more blob... |
| 21:01:43 | Aelhaz | TomW: but are they round? the square ones do me no good |
| 21:01:56 | GPSFan | nor I. |
| 21:02:00 | TomW | Yup. It had to be something stupid like that, either the stack was getting trashed or blob was getting trashed. I moved blob to 0xC0000400 and it will test the RAM. I cannot yet boot the kernel, even though I re'org'ed the kernel in arch/arm/Makefile. |
| 21:02:33 | GPSFan | do all the various memory tests work? |
| 21:02:35 | TomW | Aelhaz: Maybe that is why Sears has them on sale, they cannot get rid of the square ones? |
| 21:02:55 | TomW | GPSFan: chkmem test 0 & 1 work fine, test 3 spews out errors. |
| 21:03:05 | TomW | s/3/2/ |
| 21:03:40 | TomW | makes me feel better to have run chkmem successfully on a 32Meg CPU board. |
| 21:03:44 | GPSFan | so, are tests 1 & 2 sufficient to convince you that the DRAM is really there? |
| 21:04:01 | GPSFan | guess so, ;>) |
| 21:04:46 | GPSFan | s/1 & 2/ 0 & 1 |
| 21:05:02 | TomW | actually test 1 is the one I trust. It writes the 32bit address of the pointer into RAM, then moves up the next longword location and repeats. That test will let you know just how valid your RAM field is. |
| 21:05:34 | TomW | All test 0 does is to see if the memory location has any stuck bits in it. |
| 21:05:47 | TomW | ... data bus shorts. |
| 21:05:50 | GPSFan | sweet, do you have a set of diffs, or is it an obvious fix? |
| 21:06:31 | scanline | is back (gone 01:17:29) |
| 21:06:34 | | GoRK was last seen on #tuxscreen 2 days, 1 hours, 10 minutes and 32 seconds ago, saying: is idle, automatically dead [bX(l/on p/on)] [Mon Apr 15 20:56:02 2002] |
| 21:06:34 | scanline | ibot: seen GoRK? |
| 21:06:38 | scanline | hm. |
| 21:07:14 | Aelhaz | bbl |
| 21:08:15 | TomW | No diffs, but: edit blob/include/blob/arch/shannon.h and change BLOB_ABS_BASE_ADDR to 0xC0000400, change KERNEL_RAM_BASE to 0xC0018000 |
| 21:09:01 | TomW | do a 'make blob-clean ; make', then put that blob into Flash. Then blob will run the memory tests, but won't boot the kernel (linux). |
| 21:10:13 | TomW | I have yet to look over the memory map for blob, kernel, ramfs, and ramdisk to see how everything can be rearranged so we can make this a permanent fix to blob (and kernel). |
| 21:10:17 | GPSFan | that's ok, right now I'm just interested in verifying that all the ram is really there. |
| 21:11:11 | TomW | Those two changes will do it. Don't matter what version of blob, it should be the same approach. I did it to 2.0.5-pre3 (-D 20020405 from cvs). |
| 21:11:45 | GPSFan | I'll put blob back to it's original location when I'm done. Yes it would be nice to have it a working part of blob. |
| 21:12:50 | TomW | can you believe it?! It is 97 degrees outside, 5:15PM in NorthEastern Pennsylvania! |
| 21:13:12 | TomW | ... it cooled down some... |
| 21:13:57 | TomW | wrong kind of weather for coding, volleyball, making love ... |
| 21:14:39 | GPSFan | wow, it got cool & windy here over tha last few days, we are still hoping for some rain. |
| 21:16:18 | TomW | We got two inches Sunday night, it was certainly welcome! |
| 21:17:48 | GPSFan | 2" is a lot of rain to get all at once, we ate at 1.25" for the year. |
| 21:18:01 | GPSFan | s/ate/are at |
| 21:18:34 | TomW | We are 14 inches below normal for the year. |
| 21:22:47 | kergoth | when did busybox cvs switch to the new config system? |
| 21:22:50 | kergoth | fancy |
| 21:22:50 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:36:01 | BZFlag | kergoth: cvs has been there for months now, but there were missing bits (more help texts anyone?) to prevent a full release based on it. |
| 21:38:39 | andersee | kergoth: I reworked the busybox build system (again) last week. No more recursive make and such. It is much cleaner and faster now. |
| 21:44:35 | kergoth | andersee: great.. its lookin good. nice work. |
| 21:45:50 | kergoth | adapts his multiconfig kernel build target in the oz buildsystem to generate multiple busybox ipks based on config |
| 21:56:16 | prpplague | anyone here got any experience with moving legacy unix systems to linux? |
| 22:02:53 | prpplague | andersee: you busy? |
| 22:14:07 | andersee | I'm here.... |
| 22:14:52 | BZFlag | cool. so am i. |
| 22:14:53 | Russ|werk | prpplague: backup etc, var, and home, install debian, copy neccessary portions back? |
| 22:15:04 | Russ|werk | I've never done it |
| 22:16:45 | prpplague | i've got some legacy systems we are switching, over the years they've gotten about 30 or 40 oneline scripts to do some basic functions, my questions is, should i put these in on the linux box as aliases or should i create a "/usr/legacy/bin" and just dump these scripts into it? |
| 22:17:24 | andersee | /usr/local/bin is a good spot for such things |
| 22:18:04 | prpplague | so leave them be, and not use aliases? |
| 22:21:10 | Russ|werk | grep #!/ |
| 22:23:42 | BZFlag | prpplague: they are in /usr/local/bin now? then sure. keep them there. |
| 22:24:10 | scanline | is away: math test |
| 22:36:11 | prpplague | ok thanks guys |
| 22:36:55 | andersee | is away: taking a shower -- back in a bit |
| 22:50:42 | Aelhaz | xine's getting better, but sheesh, they need a better deinterlacer . . . or maybe they just need a deinterlacer |
| 22:52:29 | mallum | Hi Aelhaz |
| 22:52:40 | Aelhaz | hi mallum |
| 22:52:43 | Aelhaz | install that drive yet? |
| 22:52:45 | mallum | I got that drive BTW .... did I already tell you that ? |
| 22:52:55 | Aelhaz | yeah |
| 22:53:09 | mallum | cool |
| 22:53:18 | mallum | I got one of them firewire enclosures for it |
| 22:53:24 | mallum | works nice :) |
| 22:53:36 | mallum | I didn't even realise firewire worked on Linux |
| 22:54:18 | mallum | Any joy finding new work ? |
| 23:06:39 | Aelhaz | cool |
| 23:06:56 | Aelhaz | Not much. had a phone interview with a dotcom in chicago yesterday. not sure how well it went. |
| 23:07:53 | Aelhaz | my brother consults with them, his company belongs to the same people they do |
| 23:11:21 | mallum | cool, your willing to relocate then ? |
| 23:19:18 | Aelhaz | mallum: Dunno |
| 23:19:42 | Aelhaz | mallum: Initially it would be a 3 month contract w/ tallan to consult with this dotcom for $50/hr |
| 23:19:50 | Aelhaz | after that, dunno yet what the salary would be |
| 23:20:12 | mallum | Aelhaz: 50$ an hour is pretty good ( is for UK at the mo anyway ) ? |
| 23:20:15 | Aelhaz | so far I've seen jack squat in the way of work for me in utah valley |
| 23:20:32 | Aelhaz | $50/hr is *great, tho it includes no benefits iirc |
| 23:24:12 | mallum | benifits don't really hold the same value in the UK as they do in US ( IMHO ) |
| 23:29:32 | Hiraghm | waves near everyone |
| 23:29:46 | Hiraghm | I have a new message board up. I even mention the Tuxscreen |
| 23:29:48 | Hiraghm | nods |
| 23:30:43 | BZFlag | notes that Hiraghm neglects to mention _where_ the message board is. |
| 23:31:02 | Aelhaz | maybe the likes of us aint invited |
| 23:31:51 | mallum | bedtime for me, night all ... |
| 23:31:53 | Hiraghm | heehee.. no, Hiraghm is just busy on two puters and several screens at once |
| 23:32:04 | Hiraghm | http://www.xtimports.com/index.html |
| 23:32:11 | Hiraghm | use the link "Conference" |
| 23:32:14 | Hiraghm | On that page |
| 23:40:06 | Hiraghm | http://pub39.ezboard.com/bextraterrestrialimports |
| 23:40:09 | Hiraghm | There's the direct link |
| 23:45:49 | Hiraghm | Visual IRC is a pain |
| 23:51:47 | BZFlag | andersee: keri won't be back till 7:00. you think thing will still be happening at 8? |
| 23:52:10 | Hiraghm | ? |
| 23:55:41 | pmisfit | is back (gone 17:41:26) |
| 23:56:30 | Hiraghm | http://pub39.ezboard.com/bextraterrestrialimports |