| 02:17:52 | jacques_gone | dmmit |
| 02:18:01 | jacques_gone | i forgot to change my nick at home |
| 02:32:39 | fontenot | why is it so quiet here ? |
| 02:47:17 | Hiraghm | waves madly near everyone |
| 02:47:24 | Hiraghm | Question |
| 02:49:11 | fontenot | answer |
| 02:50:05 | Hiraghm | where's the wiki? |
| 02:50:14 | | i guess wiki is http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/HandheldsWiki |
| 02:50:14 | Hiraghm | ibot wiki? |
| 02:50:28 | fontenot | no that's the hh.ogr wiki |
| 02:50:41 | fontenot | http://tuxscreen.net/wiki/ |
| 02:50:49 | Hiraghm | hokay |
| 02:50:51 | | OK, fontenot. |
| 02:50:51 | fontenot | ibot: tuxscreen wiki is at http://tuxscreen.net/wiki/ |
| 02:51:02 | Hiraghm | cause tuxscreen.net gave me tim's home page. |
| 02:51:45 | fontenot | hmm maybe dns is messed up |
| 02:55:02 | Hiraghm | no, I didn't try to reach tuxscreen.net/wiki |
| 02:55:23 | Hiraghm | hm. page not found. |
| 02:57:08 | fontenot | put slash at end |
| 03:04:11 | Hiraghm | yeah. thanks |
| 03:05:30 | Hiraghm | I've got a new link on my homepage to a conferencing section (message board)... |
| 03:05:43 | Hiraghm | I mentioned the tux in there with a couple links. That's why I was asking 8c) |
| 03:06:17 | Hiraghm | http://www.xtimports.com/index.html |
| 03:20:42 | scanline | is away: doing laundry, standing in the wet room |
| 03:48:48 | scanline | is back (gone 00:28:06) |
| 03:54:06 | | GoRK was last seen on #tuxscreen 7 hours, 58 minutes and 4 seconds ago, saying: is idle, automatically dead [bX(l/on p/on)] [Mon Apr 15 20:56:02 2002] |
| 03:54:06 | scanline | ibot: seen GoRK? |
| 03:56:03 | scanline | is away: time for some AD&D |
| 06:42:17 | scanline | is back (gone 02:46:14) |
| 10:57:52 | scanline | is away: ZzZzZz |
| 14:24:41 | prpplague | morning all |
| 14:26:36 | CosmicPenguin | morning prpplague |
| 14:39:55 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hows the STB dev going? |
| 14:40:12 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: did you do the dev on the mail client for pixil? |
| 14:48:47 | prpplague | Aelhaz: hows the job search going? |
| 14:49:10 | prpplague | Aelhaz: cat /etc/hosts | grep cooljob ??? |
| 14:56:18 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: the STB is going very well, and yes, I did the mail parser for the e-mail client |
| 14:57:14 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i know i'm not on your level of coder, but how long did it take you to whip that out? |
| 14:58:22 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: Our director of marketing bet me 50 bucks that I couldn't write it in a weekend, so I did |
| 14:58:47 | CosmicPenguin | But I easily spent close to 20 hours on it.... |
| 15:01:40 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hope you spent the 50 bucks on beer!lol |
| 15:11:24 | CosmicPenguin | Beer and pretzels.. :) |
| 15:14:40 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: my hero |
| 15:15:13 | CosmicPenguin | Of course, this being Utah, 50 bucks in beer only buys two six packs... :) |
| 15:15:32 | prpplague | lol |
| 15:16:07 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i'm going to get to ottawa early for the beer festival |
| 15:16:20 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: $20 ticket |
| 15:16:31 | CosmicPenguin | That sounds like trouble |
| 15:22:30 | prpplague | lol |
| 15:22:46 | | andersee was last seen on #tuxscreen 21 hours, 9 minutes and 58 seconds ago, saying: sjhill: Probably just leftovers.... [Mon Apr 15 19:12:48 2002] |
| 15:22:46 | Tangent | ibot seen andersee |
| 15:49:01 | prpplague | wb TomW |
| 15:49:16 | TomW | gm prpplague |
| 15:49:35 | TomW | just doing my morning reading on the net. |
| 15:51:48 | TomW | prpplague: what's up? |
| 15:53:14 | prpplague | TomW: ssdd |
| 15:53:41 | TomW | heh! Yeah, life goes on... |
| 15:54:02 | prpplague | TomW: got all my parts to play with my devel tuxscreen board, but current i'm operating on _free_time_=0; |
| 15:55:54 | TomW | yes, the days keep clicking on by. I have looped back and taking a serious look at the 32Meg mod I did to the board. I am not yet convinced that there really is 32Meg there. The blob memory test is so simple that I think it is erroneously reporting the amount of RAM. |
| 16:01:07 | prpplague | TomW: yes that is possible |
| 16:05:04 | TomW | prpplague: I am trying to build a "beefier" memory test. Just starting to run in to some optimization stuff of gcc's. For example, they appear to have some optimization "killer" named 'barrier' defined in a header. It is a do nothing (non code generating) statement. I am puzzling over that.. |
| 16:38:14 | BZFlag | TomW: that forces arm registers to be updated. ErikM had some issues where they were getting cached and only the last update saved. |
| 16:38:44 | BZFlag | ie: toggling a bit back and forth had no effect. |
| 16:40:02 | TomW | BZFlag: Yeah, kind of figured it had something to do with killing an optimizer method somehow. I am attempting to get the Makefile system to compile the C code into assembler source so I can take a look at what the output of the compiler looks like (that gets fed to the assembler). |
| 16:40:37 | TomW | The Makefiles are really involved... |
| 16:41:37 | TomW | Whew! 89 degrees today! |
| 16:42:23 | andersee | TomW: Its a nice day so far here too -- should have seen the storm last night though... |
| 16:42:43 | andersee | TomW: Power is still out here (18 hours later).... |
| 16:44:05 | TomW | Yes, Sunday night / Monday morning we had a really good thunderstorm. Got a good drenching here in PA, we really needed that! |
| 16:44:31 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: you got hit by the power outage? |
| 16:44:32 | BZFlag | andersee: how are you live with no power for 18 hours? |
| 16:44:35 | TomW | ... five or six more storms like it and we will be better off. |
| 16:48:17 | andersee | BZFlag: actually, power is still out.... |
| 16:48:47 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: Sugarhous, right? |
| 16:48:51 | andersee | BZFlag: I have my USP plugged into an extension cord going out to the power inverter in my car |
| 16:49:04 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: Nope, west valley city |
| 16:50:45 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: Its been ugly all over town. Heaven help anyone who wants to drive |
| 16:50:56 | andersee | hehe |
| 16:51:09 | andersee | I wish the power would come back... |
| 16:51:27 | andersee | I keep fearing my kids will go mess with my car |
| 16:52:19 | TomW | With the -S option of gcc, is there any way to intersperse the C code into the output? |
| 17:00:43 | andersee | sjhill-lunch: howdy |
| 17:50:40 | TomW | Ok, found the problem with the blob chkmem test. It is fscking itself over by applying a RAM test over it's running code! |
| 17:51:05 | sjhill | neat |
| 17:52:00 | TomW | It is being loaded into 0xC8000400 in RAM, when you run the chkmem tests, they test that area of RAM. Result? BLAM! |
| 17:53:19 | TomW | Now to redo the memory map for the Shannon... |
| 18:04:19 | | andersee was last seen on #tuxscreen 1 hours, 3 minutes and 36 seconds ago, saying: sjhill-lunch: howdy [Tue Apr 16 18:00:43 2002] |
| 18:04:19 | BZFlag | ibot: seen andersee |
| 18:04:46 | BZFlag | andersee still on generator for power? |
| 18:05:13 | sjhill | guess so, either that or his car ran out of gas/battery died since that's what his UPS was plugged into |
| 18:05:34 | BZFlag | or perhaps someone needed it to run an errand? ;-) |
| 18:05:36 | TomW | BZFlag: andersee is not logged, maybe he ran out of gasoline? |
| 18:06:26 | BZFlag | TomW: you got that 64M sodimm and phone, yes? |
| 18:06:39 | TomW | BZFlag: I need to remap how blob uses RAM for itself, kernel, etc. Can you help give me an idea of how the mappings were determined? |
| 18:07:48 | TomW | BZFlag: yes, I have the SODIMM. Now I need to get the blob chkmem function working properly. Blob is trashing itself with the memory tests. |
| 18:08:24 | BZFlag | turn on memdebug and you will get a dump of the blob memory regions on boot |
| 18:08:44 | TomW | ok. |
| 18:08:45 | BZFlag | after the verbose alias msgs, you get a map. |
| 18:09:55 | BZFlag | looks like it's new as http://TuxScreen.net/wiki/view/Main/InfernoSODIMM does not show the map. |
| 18:12:32 | scanline | is back (gone 07:14:41) |
| 18:20:03 | TomW | --enable-blob-debug |
| 18:25:26 | prpplague | BZFlag: you get my order for tux+jtag yet? |
| 18:27:40 | BZFlag | prp what's the address? |
| 18:27:48 | BZFlag | I have orders going out today. |
| 18:28:13 | prpplague | P.O.Box 421,big sandy texas |
| 18:28:23 | BZFlag | andersee: your wife bring the car back? |
| 18:29:42 | BZFlag | prpplague: hmmm, don't see it yet. paypal or check? |
| 18:30:01 | prpplague | moneyorder via mail |
| 18:30:34 | BZFlag | has not shown up yet. |
| 18:30:39 | prpplague | bummer |
| 18:30:51 | prpplague | guess i should have sent it certified |
| 18:34:21 | andersee | BZFlag: Just overloaded the power inverter -- then winder had had one reboot to many == fsck |
| 18:35:09 | Tangent | andersee: Hey |
| 18:35:55 | andersee | is running off of car power -- mains are still dead |
| 18:36:08 | Tangent | andersee: How long's it been? |
| 18:36:48 | Tangent | andersee: We didn't really get any further with the ash problem |
| 18:37:17 | andersee | Its been like 18hours w/o power... |
| 18:37:23 | andersee | Bad storm yesterday |
| 18:37:36 | LoneTech | remind me to build a generator |
| 18:37:44 | Tangent | andersee: Tried prodding a few things, but no conclusion... We tried defining FNMATCH_BROKEN at the top, which causes it to use different code for patmatch, and that seemed to fix things for that specific two lines of code |
| 18:37:49 | BZFlag | andersee: how big is your inverter? I'm buggin jfree cause he's down. |
| 18:37:53 | Tangent | but debootstrap still segfaults it |
| 18:38:09 | andersee | only 140W |
| 18:38:30 | andersee | Tangent: sigh |
| 18:38:35 | BZFlag | andersee: winder, cisco, laptop, hub, is that all? |
| 18:39:07 | BZFlag | or I suppose crossovers would skip the hub |
| 18:39:37 | BZFlag | imagines andersee sitting in the dark in the basement hacking away. |
| 18:39:53 | andersee | hehe |
| 18:40:02 | andersee | That was last night -- by candlight |
| 18:40:12 | BZFlag | and today? |
| 18:40:35 | andersee | winder + laptop + cisco -- adding the switch was too much |
| 18:40:58 | andersee | With the switch on the inverter kept tripping off. So crossover cable to winder now |
| 18:41:19 | BZFlag | sweet. I offered my 400W inverter to jfree, but it looks like he lacks the dedication for true high availability. ;-) |
| 18:41:53 | Tangent | has 500W inverter, 90Ah Deep cycle battery, and solar panels... just in case |
| 18:44:24 | andersee | Rather than sit in my car, I just ran a long orange extension from the car to my UPS... |
| 18:44:56 | Tangent | andersee: Makes sense |
| 18:45:17 | andersee | last night I was dumb, and sat in my car when the laptop batter gave out |
| 18:45:23 | andersee | Got cold.... |
| 18:46:18 | scanline | Makes me glad the college has their own power plant |
| 19:02:12 | Russ | ummm...I have a powerstip |
| 19:13:30 | TomW | BZFlag: chkmem tests 0 & 1 run fine across a modified Tux CPU board (32Meg + 32Meg SODIMM). I don't know why, but chkmem 2 fails on both a 16Meg Tux as well as on the 32Meg Tux. |
| 19:14:01 | Tangent | wonders where to get the chips to upgrade the tux's onboard memory |
| 19:16:38 | scanline | is away: buying a new switch and some mountain dew |
| 19:36:17 | BZFlag | TomW: wild. what is the diff between the tests? |
| 19:51:00 | TomW | BZFlag: ?? diff |
| 19:52:11 | Tangent | TomW: difference |
| 19:54:19 | TomW | I moved BLOB_ABS_BASE_ADR to 0xC0000400 to get it out of the way of the RAM tests. I re'org'ed the kernel to 0xC0018000 in arch/arm/..., but I still cannot boot it. |
| 19:58:48 | Tangent | TomW: No.. I think he meant... What's the difference between 'chkmem 0', 'chkmem 1' and 'chkmem 2' ? |
| 19:59:17 | BZFlag | yes, that's what I meant. |
| 19:59:19 | TomW | vi chkmem.c ;-) different types of tests. |
| 19:59:39 | TomW | ... from the simple to the severe. |
| 19:59:41 | Tangent | And for the benefit of those without the source in front of them? |
| 19:59:49 | Tangent | OK :) |
| 20:00:28 | TomW | cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.blob.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/blob \ |
| 20:00:28 | TomW | co -D 20020405 blob) |
| 20:00:36 | TomW | :-) |
| 20:00:41 | TomW | heh |
| 20:01:00 | BZFlag | heh. ok, I'll go look. |
| 20:01:28 | TomW | chkmem 2 runs walking bit tests, galpat, etc. |
| 20:02:32 | TomW | chkmem 0 runs a simple "does it hold a value". chkmem 1 runs a simple "fill will addresses"... |
| 20:03:43 | BZFlag | ugh, it's in both diag and blob now. |
| 20:03:54 | BZFlag | move it to lib if you change it, k? |
| 20:05:00 | TomW | move what, chkmem? |
| 20:05:25 | BZFlag | yeah. there are two chkmem.c files now. |
| 20:07:41 | TomW | HAH! Yeah, and both sources are the same. |
| 20:09:14 | TomW | I will have to work out just what the memory map looks like.. I moved the kernel load point (include/blob/shannon.h), re-org'ed the kerenl to 0xC0018000 in arch/arm/Makefile, but it still won't boot. |
| 20:10:28 | TomW | I guess that I will have to simply stare at header files for a while until I start to see what they are doing. Probably will have to read head.S as well... |
| 20:11:37 | TomW | ... fun with linux. |
| 20:12:12 | TomW | I always seem to end up mucking around in the build system somehow rather than building apps. :-/ |
| 20:13:50 | TomW | got to go, bbl |
| 20:17:01 | Tangent | All I've even used my iPAQ for is developing iPAQ stuff... |
| 20:20:03 | Tangent | and so far all my tuxscreen's ever done is test other peoples tuxscreen stuff |
| 20:26:46 | scanline | is back (gone 01:10:08) |
| 20:54:18 | andersee | wohoo! power is back on |
| 20:54:27 | scanline | welcome back! |
| 21:06:43 | sjhill | hurray! |
| 21:10:25 | sjhill | whee, libc is resolving now |
| 21:12:39 | andersee | sjhill: it is! Wahoo!! |
| 21:25:13 | sjhill | now, to get the resolver function working... |
| 21:44:37 | Keyser | has anyone extended the touchscreen's 4 pin ribbon connection? |
| 21:45:40 | Aelhaz | dunno, but it shouldn't be difficult |
| 21:46:02 | Keyser | it's a weird little ribbon. |
| 21:47:37 | Keyser | my method would be to cut about 1" from the end, strip the covering off the wires, and solder a 4" length of floppy drive ribbon cable (only 4 wires of it) to both ends. then the original end will plug into the socket. |
| 21:47:59 | Russ | Keyser: ick |
| 21:48:06 | Russ | Keyser: I would replace both ends |
| 21:48:26 | Russ | soldering to copper wrapped in plastic doesn't work very well |
| 21:48:49 | Keyser | that's what I figured. |
| 21:48:52 | scanline | I'd suggest desoldering the connector from the tuxscreen board and connecting wires between it and the PCB. The plastic ribbon cables are delicate |
| 21:49:56 | Keyser | that oughta work. thanks. |
| 21:50:39 | scanline | np |
| 21:53:57 | | Russ: Phoenix, Phoenix Sky Harbor International Airport, AZ, United States; (KPHX) 33-26-03N 112-03-04W 336M; last updated: Apr 16, 2002 03:56 PM EDT; Dew Point: 48.9 F (9.4 C); Pressure (altimeter): 29.93 in. Hg (1013 hPa); Pressure tendency: 0.10 inches (3.4 hPa) higher than three hours ago; Relative Humidity: 38%; Sky conditions: mostly cloudy; Temperature: 75.9 F (24.4 C); Visibility: 10 mile(s); Weather: Haze; Wind: from the SSE (160 degrees) at 9 MPH (8 KT) |
| 21:53:57 | Russ | ibot: weather KPHX |
| 21:53:59 | Russ | ahhh |
| 23:00:55 | scanline | is away: pseudo-dinner-like-somethingorother |
| 23:21:20 | CosmicPenguin | is away: home! |
| 23:28:24 | scanline | is back (gone 00:27:30) |