| 00:14:24 | scanline | is back (gone 00:16:29) |
| 00:24:47 | BZFlag | start inetd from linuxrc? why? |
| 00:33:06 | Morn | hi |
| 00:33:25 | Morn | BZFlag: I'm trying to build the latest buildroot-tux and it's failing on telnetd |
| 00:33:31 | Morn | is this a known problem? |
| 00:36:02 | BZFlag | no |
| 00:37:27 | Morn | I keep getting undefined references to openpty and logout logwtmp |
| 00:42:15 | scanline | is an inadequate Connect Four player |
| 00:42:30 | jacques | hi andersee |
| 00:43:24 | andersee | evening |
| 00:43:47 | Morn | argh! |
| 00:43:52 | Morn | shoots herself |
| 00:43:53 | jacques | hi Morn |
| 00:43:59 | jacques | too late |
| 00:44:00 | Morn | Hi Jacques |
| 00:44:46 | jacques | andersee: i saw manuel (sp?) post to uclibc list that he thought the wchar funcs would go into cvs soon - comments? |
| 00:47:45 | BZFlag | Morn: just built for me. uclibc rebuilt, I deleted netkit-telnet and rebuilt that ok too. |
| 00:48:00 | Morn | weird |
| 00:48:12 | Morn | I wonder why I'm missing those references |
| 00:48:20 | andersee | jacques: yup |
| 00:48:25 | andersee | jacques: its true |
| 00:49:11 | BZFlag | Morn: in build/netkit-telnet-0.17/telnetd/sys_term.c ? |
| 00:49:36 | Morn | no when it goes to link the telnetd |
| 00:50:17 | Morn | and I had to copy MCONFIG from netkit-base to netkit-telnet |
| 00:50:20 | Morn | it was missing |
| 00:51:33 | BZFlag | Morn: delete sources/dl/netkit-telnet-0.17.tar.gz and rebuild. |
| 00:51:46 | BZFlag | well delete build/netkit-telnet* as well. |
| 00:51:51 | Morn | ok |
| 00:52:00 | Morn | are you using the beta uclibc? |
| 00:52:08 | BZFlag | sounds like your DL got interupted |
| 00:52:21 | BZFlag | no, the version andersee just set as default. |
| 00:52:41 | jacques | andersee: that's cool. |
| 00:52:42 | BZFlag | but I have built with cvs uclibc as well. |
| 00:53:21 | GoRK | im going to build a telephony switch/server out of one of these: http://www.soekris.com/Pictures/new_case_rearinside.jpg mmmmm |
| 00:55:05 | prpplague | GoRK: cool that look awesome |
| 00:55:14 | prpplague | GoRK: whats the specs and price? |
| 00:56:16 | GoRK | amd elan 486/133, 64mb sdram, 3.3v pci, minipci, compactflash type2, bios modified to use com port as the console, 2 serial ports, 3 10/100 ethernet. price w/ chassis is $249 |
| 00:56:43 | andersee | BZFlag: currently cvs uClibc still == uClibc 0.9.11... |
| 00:57:05 | prpplague | GoRK: nice |
| 00:58:46 | BZFlag | andersee: k |
| 01:02:33 | Morn | BZFlag: when it downloaded netkit-telnet-0.17 again it was still missing MCONFIG |
| 01:02:39 | Morn | I think something is wrong |
| 01:03:33 | jacques | has 0.9.11 been released? |
| 01:03:48 | Morn | configure is supposed to create it |
| 01:04:59 | andersee | jacques: yes |
| 01:05:19 | andersee | jacques: See topic and/or http://www.uclibc.org/ |
| 01:05:56 | Morn | ok, I found the problem |
| 01:05:58 | Morn | :-) |
| 01:06:25 | Morn | This is a new linux install and there it didn't have the ncurses-devel rpm installed |
| 01:15:45 | andersee | GoRK: what is that black connector on the upper right of that pic you posted? |
| 01:15:58 | GoRK | cf type 2 |
| 01:17:12 | jacques | andersee: does this mean that if I build a toolchain with new uclibc, xfree should link properly? |
| 01:17:16 | andersee | BZFlag: I just did a make clean and rebuilt eveything vs uClibc 0.9.11 and I'm pleased to note that it works. :) |
| 01:17:25 | andersee | jacques: in theory... yes... |
| 01:17:35 | BZFlag | andersee: have you tested telnetd? |
| 01:18:05 | andersee | crosses fingers, rubs a budda's tummy, and walks under a ladder |
| 01:18:11 | andersee | BZFlag: nope. |
| 01:19:05 | jacques | I guess I will try it then |
| 01:21:13 | andersee | BZFlag: Rebooting with telnetd in inittab... |
| 01:22:19 | BZFlag | someone hacked linuxrc to start inetd. that seems like a bad idea to me. |
| 01:23:25 | andersee | Hmm. inetd is present. Hadn't noticed... |
| 01:23:59 | BZFlag | ;-) |
| 01:24:27 | jacques | inetd? bah |
| 01:24:55 | jacques | andersee: I dont mean to whine, but I am getting 10kB/s on a 27MB file from uclibc.org |
| 01:25:14 | jacques | projecting 40 minutes remaining |
| 01:25:26 | andersee | BZFlag: fairly good news... |
| 01:25:28 | andersee | $ telnet 10.10.10.53 |
| 01:25:28 | andersee | Trying 10.10.10.53... |
| 01:25:28 | andersee | Connected to 10.10.10.53. |
| 01:25:28 | andersee | Escape character is '^]'. |
| 01:25:28 | andersee | Linux 2.4.18-rmk2-tux1 (localhost) (0) |
| 01:25:29 | andersee | tuxscreen login: root |
| 01:25:31 | andersee | Password: |
| 01:25:33 | andersee | Login incorrect |
| 01:26:04 | andersee | So telnetd is running and working... Though it doesn't wanna let me in |
| 01:26:05 | BZFlag | try default |
| 01:26:13 | BZFlag | for the username. then su |
| 01:27:00 | andersee | BZFlag: works. Did you set an /etc/securetty ewww.. |
| 01:27:59 | BZFlag | I figure the gui should run as user default. |
| 01:28:26 | andersee | jacques: sorry about that. Just imagine how much worse it would be if you (and a thousand others) were downloading from codepoet.org.... |
| 01:28:41 | BZFlag | andersee: hackup and start/stop script and add it? |
| 01:29:05 | andersee | BZFlag: indeed (re gui run as user default) |
| 01:29:39 | BZFlag | so I added a default user. I figure since that is there, might as well have a securetty |
| 01:29:51 | andersee | BZFlag: sure. Having a telnet daemon is a nice addition. Though needs to manually run udhcpc as well... |
| 01:30:15 | BZFlag | I'll work on that as well. |
| 01:37:52 | Morn | Isn't it 115k for the serial port to transfer a new kernel and rootfs? |
| 01:38:25 | BZFlag | Morn: yes. |
| 01:38:31 | Morn | hmmm |
| 01:38:39 | BZFlag | old versions of blob used 9600 |
| 01:38:40 | Morn | I'm getting garbage in minicom |
| 01:38:47 | Morn | oh, I have the old blob installed |
| 01:38:48 | BZFlag | if you have one of those, update blob. |
| 01:38:50 | Morn | doh! |
| 01:39:06 | Morn | is it safe to update the blob with the current buildroot? |
| 01:39:11 | Morn | it must makes me nervous |
| 01:39:22 | BZFlag | the old version had 9600 for the terminal, and then you had to switch to 115200 for uploads. |
| 01:39:46 | Morn | still getting garbage at 9600 |
| 01:39:49 | Morn | this is weird |
| 01:39:51 | BZFlag | use the blob binary on v0.4 on the web site unless you have jtag. |
| 01:40:17 | BZFlag | set to 115200 no hw or sw flow control, then hard reboot the phone. |
| 01:40:24 | Morn | and it is 8n1 |
| 01:40:29 | BZFlag | f that does not work, try 9600. ;-) yeah n81 |
| 01:40:51 | Morn | could it have anything to do with using a USB serial convertor? |
| 01:41:52 | BZFlag | perhaps. never tried one. |
| 01:42:07 | Morn | I can't find my stupid gender changer to use a normal serial port |
| 01:42:14 | Morn | so I thought I would try this thing |
| 01:42:42 | jacques | still 20 minutes to go :-( |
| 01:42:46 | Morn | I just found the gender changer |
| 01:42:48 | Morn | woot! |
| 01:45:35 | Morn | and just so I remember |
| 01:45:51 | Morn | it's uuencode filename /dev/null > /dev/ttyS0 ? |
| 01:47:27 | BZFlag | sure, I do uuencode file foo > /dev/ttyS0 |
| 01:47:40 | Morn | I got kernel too large |
| 01:47:42 | Morn | error |
| 01:48:18 | Morn | it says the kernel is 0x000E44AC and the max is 0x000E0000 |
| 01:55:29 | Morn | Microwidows still isn't fixed in the buildroot? |
| 01:57:53 | BZFlag | Morn: sounds like you are using gcc 3.x? |
| 01:58:02 | Morn | yes |
| 01:58:06 | Morn | is that bad? |
| 01:58:15 | BZFlag | it builds larger, flakey kernels. |
| 01:59:04 | Morn | ok, I'll do it again with the 2.95.3 tool chain |
| 02:33:25 | jacques | arg he left |
| 02:36:40 | jacques | nm looks like my problem anyway |
| 02:40:13 | | jg was last seen on #handhelds.org 33 days, 4 minutes and 12 seconds ago, saying: MonMotha: sorry... [Sat Mar 9 02:36:01 2002] |
| 02:40:13 | jacques | ibot: seen jg |
| 03:38:28 | BZFlag | is looking for someone to review a schematic under verbal NDA. unreleased sa1110/sa1111 handheld |
| 05:04:04 | | holden was last seen on #familiar 66 days, 15 hours, 56 minutes and 10 seconds ago, saying: <private message> [Sun Feb 3 13:07:54 2002] |
| 05:04:04 | sjm | ibot: seen holden |
| 05:11:16 | jacques | NET offers "compile once, run anywhere.") |
| 05:11:16 | jacques | Sure, for very small definitions of anywhere. |
| 05:11:19 | jacques | LOL |
| 05:58:57 | sjm | Hmmm... just generated a patch of my working mw tree against the 0.89pre8 release - it's about 170k... |
| 06:16:53 | BZFlag | you are fixing buildroot mw? that would be nice. |
| 06:17:02 | BZFlag | pigo builds, but ts does not work. |
| 06:17:06 | BZFlag | er pico |
| 06:17:36 | sjm | guess so, it's been broken for too long now :( |
| 06:18:34 | | TomW was last seen on #tuxscreen 9 hours, 53 minutes and 9 seconds ago, saying: GPSFan: how did you make out replacing the DRAMs? [Wed Apr 10 21:25:25 2002] |
| 06:18:34 | BZFlag | ibot: seen TomW |
| 06:18:55 | BZFlag | ooh, gpsfan isdoing the ram upgrade too. |
| 06:23:51 | sjm | BZFlag: Should I send a patch to you, or to the list? |
| 06:24:57 | BZFlag | how large? |
| 06:25:10 | sjm | It would be about 50k zipped |
| 06:25:33 | BZFlag | just send it to me then. I'll add it to cvs. |
| 06:25:40 | BZFlag | what are all the changes for? |
| 06:26:06 | sjm | add 3D ts support to mw |
| 06:27:00 | BZFlag | cool. |
| 06:27:28 | BZFlag | got a buildroot makefile patch too? |
| 06:27:47 | BZFlag | or is just applying the patch enough? |
| 06:27:51 | sjm | Not yet, but I'll include that too |
| 06:28:05 | sjm | No, the makefile needs updating as well |
| 06:46:16 | BZFlag | sjm: got an sf account? want to add the things yourself? |
| 06:46:42 | BZFlag | normal rules apply, don't touch other stuff without asking. but nobody else seems to be fixing mw |
| 06:47:16 | sjm | BZFlag: No I don't, but if you're going to give me write access, then I will get one :) |
| 06:47:54 | BZFlag | sure, do it. |
| 06:48:02 | BZFlag | this is a community project after all. |
| 06:48:15 | sjm | k |
| 06:49:40 | BZFlag | did you change all the wget stuff to separate depends and commands like the rest of the makes? |
| 06:50:11 | sjm | Not yet, but I will make it the same as everything else. |
| 06:50:46 | BZFlag | cool. that would be very nice. ;-) |
| 06:51:44 | BZFlag | you're not with century are you? |
| 06:51:52 | sjm | no |
| 06:52:38 | sjm | These are fixes Alex Holden did a couple of months ago, but since no one has submitted them yet, I thought I would. |
| 06:53:35 | BZFlag | ok |
| 07:01:03 | sjm | BZFlag: sf account 'merrifield' has been activated |
| 07:02:00 | sjm | BZFlag: You need the user id? 512163 |
| 07:10:16 | BZFlag | added. didn't need the dev id. |
| 07:10:29 | sjm | thanks |
| 07:10:34 | BZFlag | you need to either recheckout or edit all CVS/Root files. |
| 07:11:06 | sjm | I'll be doing several complete checkouts to test my patch works :) |
| 07:12:26 | BZFlag | is the patch available on any "master" site? I strongly prefer to point to patches rather than checking them into cvs directly. |
| 07:12:51 | BZFlag | if the site they came from is not stable, then put them in cvs, but comment in the makefile as to where they came from. |
| 07:13:06 | sjm | there is no patch, only a complete tree, and that needs some massaging to work. |
| 07:13:51 | sjm | so I've diffed that tree against the latest century release |
| 07:14:04 | BZFlag | ok. |
| 07:14:41 | sjm | You'd prefer it was on tuxscreen.net/downloads? |
| 07:17:17 | BZFlag | if > 50k, yeah. |
| 07:17:30 | LoneTech | what does it do? |
| 07:17:33 | BZFlag | sounds like you are right around there. |
| 07:17:53 | BZFlag | LoneTech: it? the fixing mw work? |
| 07:17:58 | sjm | np, I'll send you the files. |
| 07:18:06 | LoneTech | the change set you're talking about |
| 07:18:13 | BZFlag | you have ssh or scp access to downloads now. |
| 07:19:42 | sjm | indeed i do... |
| 07:21:15 | sjm | so I'll dump the patch in there, and commit the makefile patch in cvs |
| 07:21:23 | BZFlag | sounds good. |
| 07:24:14 | BZFlag | LoneTech: just getting microwindows updated to work with the new touchscreen code. |
| 07:33:50 | LoneTech | k |
| 07:34:01 | LoneTech | prefers picogui |
| 07:37:26 | BZFlag | picogui needs updating too. |
| 07:37:39 | BZFlag | the version in cvs builds but does not work with the ts. |
| 07:41:42 | LoneTech | it doesn't? |
| 07:41:46 | LoneTech | mine did.. |
| 07:41:56 | LoneTech | with cvs buildroot from a few days ago |
| 07:42:18 | LoneTech | I got picogui from the picogui cvs. do you have a separate copy? |
| 07:46:30 | BZFlag | the version in buildroot-tux |
| 07:46:37 | BZFlag | is that what you used? |
| 07:46:51 | BZFlag | make;make picogui;make and then install the jffs2 image |
| 08:04:28 | Russ | BZFlag: yes? |
| 08:17:42 | LoneTech | I just compiled my own from picogui cvs. will check the buildroot |
| 08:47:58 | BZFlag | udhcpc and inetd should both start now on boot. |
| 09:48:34 | scanline | is away: ZzZzzz |
| 14:24:47 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: morning |
| 14:25:58 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: he what email app were you guys using under pixil |
| 14:26:00 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ? |
| 14:28:20 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: I'm here... I back from Vegas last night, so I am still trying to get settled |
| 14:28:41 | CosmicPenguin | The e-mail app is a home grown affair.... |
| 14:29:46 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: gpl? |
| 14:30:29 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: was it flnx based? |
| 14:30:37 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: have fun in vegas? |
| 14:30:56 | prpplague | is avoiding work - he is totaly burnt out |
| 14:36:16 | CosmicPenguin | no, yes, and lots of fun |
| 14:43:46 | Morn | sigh |
| 14:43:53 | prpplague | Morn: ! |
| 14:43:59 | prpplague | Morn: long time no chat! |
| 14:44:09 | prpplague | Morn: how the heck are ya? |
| 14:44:10 | Morn | hi |
| 14:44:15 | Morn | I've been hiding |
| 14:44:20 | Morn | trying to get a real life |
| 14:44:21 | Morn | I failed |
| 14:44:23 | Morn | so I'm back |
| 14:44:24 | prpplague | lol |
| 14:45:33 | Morn | I tried the latest buildroot last night with microwindows and it is still failing on the touch screen init |
| 14:45:39 | Morn | do I have to do something else? |
| 14:48:35 | prpplague | Morn: sorry, i've been stuck convertin sco ksh scripts to posix sh |
| 14:48:52 | Morn | sounds like fun :-) |
| 14:49:05 | Morn | I've been dedicating a lot of time to some java web development |
| 14:52:19 | CosmicPenguin | is deeply sorry for the Microwindows breakage |
| 14:54:25 | Morn | oh? |
| 14:54:28 | Morn | what happened again? |
| 14:55:23 | scanline | needs to update the picogui buildroot so he can run xchat on his Tux... much less power hungry than an old Mac |
| 14:56:32 | Morn | scanline: I tried to compile picogui this morning and it failed in the themes stuff |
| 14:57:14 | scanline | Morn: I haven't even tried the buildroot for picogui recently, but i've heard it needs a lot of fixing |
| 14:57:31 | scanline | and I probably need to finish the touchscreen driver that GoRK started |
| 14:57:48 | Morn | life is funny |
| 14:59:40 | prpplague | Morn: or crazy not sure which |
| 14:59:57 | Morn | I'll avoid the c word today |
| 15:00:56 | Morn | prpplague: you'd be proud of me I broke my whole set of servlets by converting to JSP the other day, but got it all working again |
| 15:00:59 | Morn | it was hysterical |
| 15:01:19 | prpplague | Morn: lol |
| 15:01:39 | Morn | It took a whole day to make the changes |
| 15:11:02 | prpplague | Morn: what kinda web stuff you working on? |
| 15:11:33 | Morn | I wrote a web interface to a mp3 streaming program, and I'm working around with jetspeed for web portals |
| 15:11:40 | Morn | the mp3 project is kinda neat |
| 15:11:52 | Morn | hi Tim |
| 15:12:02 | prpplague | Morn: do any database/asp type stuff? |
| 15:12:10 | BZFlag | Morn: morn ;-) |
| 15:12:28 | Morn | I have done a bit of that, mostly PHP database stuff, I hate asp to be honest, but I can do it |
| 15:12:39 | Morn | I'm finding though that java is nice for web apps |
| 15:12:45 | Morn | much cleaner code |
| 15:13:02 | Morn | JSP with some beans and taglibs is a nice combination |
| 15:15:28 | Morn | I managed to get MOST of the actual code out of the JSP pages |
| 15:15:39 | Morn | so that some people who are more talented at HTML could help |
| 15:25:00 | prpplague | Morn: locked away in one of our back rooms, there is a java asp project in the works, i don't think its going to see light of day though |
| 15:29:12 | Morn | prpplague: if you want to see what I've done let me know I'll share the url |
| 15:37:29 | Morn | 11:40am up 38 day(s), 12:28, at least solaris is stable |
| 15:51:11 | Morn | res' prp |
| 15:53:05 | prpplague | Morn: ctrl-alt-f12 missed and hit del |
| 15:53:13 | Morn | ooops |
| 15:53:15 | Morn | roflmao |
| 15:54:17 | scanline | has anybody tried Python on the Tux yet? |
| 15:54:22 | scanline | I'm assuming it would run pretty well |
| 16:21:34 | kergoth | from busybox Config.h.. I assume that // Uncomment this option to disable job control. ... |
| 16:21:34 | kergoth | #define BB_FEATURE_ASH_JOB_CONTROL Should be Comment, not Uncomment? |
| 16:27:35 | GoRK | scanline: yeah or i could finish it. Didnt they change the api again? |
| 16:27:50 | GoRK | the only problem with it was pen up/down detection |
| 16:28:25 | scanline | GoRK: we have a new touchscreen API in pgserver now too. It's not required, but we've been converting the drivers over to use it |
| 16:28:32 | scanline | it handles calibration and optionally IIR filtering |
| 16:28:41 | scanline | the IIR filtering is sweet on the Zaurus :) |
| 16:28:45 | GoRK | yeah then we should use it |
| 16:35:37 | scanline | Is microwindows still using fbtuxcal, or did the new kernel interface come with a new calibration system? |
| 16:35:44 | scanline | because picogui has its own calibrator now |
| 16:45:19 | scanline | is away: class, brb |
| 17:08:15 | scanline | is back (gone 00:22:55) |
| 17:14:15 | CosmicPenguin | Man, I'm never going to get back on track with my mail |
| 17:14:34 | CosmicPenguin | Did anything important happen in kernel development the last 5 days, or can I delete all 1035 of my e-mails? |
| 17:16:46 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: nothing very importany has happened. I think I picked up some radeonfb patches and thats about it.... |
| 17:17:05 | CosmicPenguin | Good.... |
| 17:17:13 | CosmicPenguin | deletes his entire folder with a cackle |
| 17:21:29 | scanline | tries to register for classes... <grumble> why can't they just use standards... damn internet exploder </grumble> |
| 17:24:35 | scanline | has some success running netscape over ssh on a friend's computer... via DSL... yuck |
| 17:28:57 | andersee | morning Tim |
| 18:01:20 | BZFlag | ken? |
| 18:01:38 | BZFlag | the netkitbase patch seems broken to me. |
| 18:01:56 | BZFlag | what's the point in testing the compiler if you ignore the output? |
| 18:05:35 | BZFlag | hmm... ok it does check the compiler return, just don't run it if cross compiling. |
| 18:10:57 | Pieciol | elou |
| 18:20:27 | BZFlag | I changed the patch to another perl line that removes the execute. |
| 18:20:46 | BZFlag | andersee: hey, so what made it into the last release? |
| 18:21:00 | BZFlag | c++? threads? locales? ;-) |
| 18:22:33 | andersee | BZFlag: mostly bug fixes |
| 18:22:53 | andersee | BZFlag: http://www.uclibc.org/downloads/Changelog |
| 18:23:55 | andersee | BZFlag: The locale support should be going in in the next few days and will be in the next release |
| 18:24:10 | andersee | BZFlag: Along with a new config system |
| 18:24:56 | andersee | 1) Full C/POSIX/UTF-8/8 bit ctype, locale and wide char support |
| 18:24:56 | andersee | 2) Reentrancy auditing |
| 18:24:56 | andersee | 3) Better configuration system (CML1 + kbuild + menuconfig) |
| 18:24:56 | andersee | 4) When fixing the config system, ensure that _every_ option |
| 18:24:56 | andersee | 5 that is enabled or disabled is listed in uClibc_config.h |
| 18:24:57 | andersee | 6) When options are disabled, also disable them in the |
| 18:24:58 | andersee | include files as well. |
| 18:25:00 | andersee | 7) Make all small objects (>~50 bytes) into either inlines or |
| 18:25:02 | andersee | into a static library |
| 18:25:04 | andersee | 8) Rework code that fails POSIX conformance tests |
| 18:25:06 | andersee | 9) Fix the bugs in libcrypt so it passes conformance tests |
| 18:25:08 | andersee | 10) Split the tests up into two parts -- a compile phase, and |
| 18:25:10 | andersee | a separate shell-script-driven test phase, allowing the |
| 18:25:13 | andersee | tests to be run when cross compiling.... |
| 18:25:15 | andersee | Anyway, thats the plan.... |
| 18:33:22 | BZFlag | looks great! |
| 18:33:52 | BZFlag | the plan is utf8 only yes? no other codepages, all locales will use that mapping. |
| 18:34:28 | BZFlag | what's the plan for 6? make install will rip out anthing that is not implemented from the headers? |
| 18:34:39 | andersee | utf8 and the 8bit locales as well (since those are trivial to support) |
| 18:35:07 | andersee | The idea there is only partly implemented now... |
| 18:36:19 | andersee | Right now, at compile time I create include/bits/uClibc_config.h with thing liks "#undef __UCLIBC_HAS_RPC__" and "#define __UCLIBC_HAS_IPV6__ 1" |
| 18:36:46 | andersee | But I do not use that to fully edit the exposed function headers in the includes... |
| 18:36:54 | andersee | And many options are still missing |
| 18:38:08 | andersee | So when this is finished, if say __UCLIBC_HAVE_LFS__ is disabled, then open64 and friends will disappear hidden by ifdefs |
| 18:42:28 | BZFlag | cool. and include/bits/uClibc_config.h has the state that things were built in then? |
| 18:45:09 | andersee | Yup. It does now, too, but is not totally complete. |
| 18:48:37 | BZFlag | you saw I fixed udhcpc and inetd ? they start now. |
| 18:48:48 | BZFlag | what's the deal with init and serial console? |
| 18:49:11 | BZFlag | the assumtion that tty1+ are not valid if serial console is set, it broken. |
| 18:49:35 | BZFlag | init should try opening /dev/tty* for read, no create and decide from that. |
| 18:50:22 | BZFlag | I do "boot root=/dev/mtdblock2 console=ttySA0" often, and then can see the logs, but not login cause init does not start the getty. |
| 18:52:53 | andersee | Hmm. |
| 18:53:09 | andersee | Yeah. I suppose that needs to be re-worked. |
| 18:53:26 | andersee | Got a minute to hack on it? You have cvs access to busybox... |
| 18:54:57 | BZFlag | yeah, if you agree with the goal, I may hack on it a bit. |
| 18:55:04 | BZFlag | it annoys me enough. ;-) |
| 19:00:55 | andersee | heh. Go for it. |
| 19:22:11 | TomW | BZFlag: I got the Tux this afternoon. Did you want that one to be modified for 32Meg and sent back? |
| 20:14:55 | scanline | is away: I'm busy |
| 20:15:06 | scanline | is back (gone 00:00:04) |
| 20:23:10 | TomW | BZFlag: there? |
| 20:23:26 | | BZFlag was last seen on #tuxscreen 1 hours, 28 minutes and 22 seconds ago, saying: it annoys me enough. ;-) [Thu Apr 11 19:55:04 2002] |
| 20:23:26 | TomW | ibot: seen BZFlag |
| 21:31:14 | | CosmicPenguin: Something failed in connecting to the NOAA web server. Try again later. |
| 21:31:14 | CosmicPenguin | ibot: weather YONX |
| 21:31:33 | | CosmicPenguin: Something failed in connecting to the NOAA web server. Try again later. |
| 21:31:33 | CosmicPenguin | ibot: weather YONX |
| 21:31:38 | | CosmicPenguin: Salt Lake City, Salt Lake City International Airport, UT, United States; (KSLC) 40-46-41N 111-58-10W 1286M; last updated: Apr 11, 2002 04:56 PM EDT; Dew Point: 33.1 F (0.6 C); Pressure (altimeter): 30.15 in. Hg (1020 hPa); Pressure tendency: 0.03 inches (1.1 hPa) lower than three hours ago; Relative Humidity: 33%; Sky conditions: mostly cloudy; Temperature: 62.1 F (16.7 C); Visibility: 10 mile(s); Weather: 0.05 inches; Wind: from the N (010 degrees) at 13 MPH (11 KT) (direction variable) |
| 21:31:38 | CosmicPenguin | ibot: weather KSLC |
| 21:54:59 | | Russ: sorry... |
| 21:54:59 | Russ | ibot: weatch KPHX |
| 21:55:05 | | Russ: Phoenix, Phoenix Sky Harbor International Airport, AZ, United States; (KPHX) 33-26-03N 112-03-04W 336M; last updated: Apr 11, 2002 04:56 PM EDT; Dew Point: 30.9 F (-0.6 C); Pressure (altimeter): 29.96 in. Hg (1014 hPa); Pressure tendency: 0.06 inches (2.2 hPa) lower than three hours ago; Relative Humidity: 11%; Sky conditions: mostly cloudy; Temperature: 91.9 F (33.3 C); Visibility: 10 mile(s); Weather: 0.05 inches; Wind: Variable at 5 MPH (4 KT) |
| 21:55:05 | Russ | ibot: weather KPHX |
| 22:41:22 | | mallum: Try a 4-letter station code (see http://weather.noaa.gov/weather/curcond.html for locations and codes) |
| 22:41:22 | mallum | ibot: weather london |
| 22:44:35 | | scanline: Something failed in connecting to the NOAA web server. Try again later. |
| 22:44:35 | scanline | ibot: weather KBOU |
| 22:44:43 | scanline | :( |
| 22:44:54 | | scanline: Something failed in connecting to the NOAA web server. Try again later. |
| 22:44:54 | scanline | ibot: weather KBOU |
| 22:44:58 | scanline | bah |
| 22:47:17 | | pmisfit: San Francisco, San Francisco International Airport, CA, United States; (KSFO) 37-37-11N 122-21-53W 26M; last updated: Apr 11, 2002 05:56 PM EDT; Dew Point: 53.1 F (11.7 C); Pressure (altimeter): 30.18 in. Hg (1022 hPa); Pressure tendency: 0.06 inches (2.2 hPa) lower than three hours ago; Relative Humidity: 70%; Sky conditions: mostly cloudy; Temperature: 63.0 F (17.2 C); Visibility: 10 mile(s); Weather: 0.05 inches; Wind: from the W (270 degrees) at 14 MPH (12 KT) |
| 22:47:17 | pmisfit | ibot: weather KSFO |
| 22:47:50 | pmisfit | yuck. |
| 22:52:39 | scanline | is away: Not quite food, but keeps you alive. Maintain 1:1 meat to hot sauce ratio. |
| 23:07:22 | scanline | is back (gone 00:14:43) |
| 23:08:58 | jacques | yuck? |
| 23:09:09 | jacques | oh the wind and clouds |
| 23:09:44 | | sjm: Melbourne Airport, Australia; (YMML) 37-40S 144-50E 141M; last updated: Apr 11, 2002 06:00 PM EDT; Dew Point: 51 F (11 C); Pressure (altimeter): 30.15 in. Hg (1021 hPa); Pressure tendency: 0.06 inches (2.2 hPa) lower than three hours ago; Relative Humidity: 52%; Sky conditions: mostly cloudy; Temperature: 69 F (21 C); Visibility: greater than 7 mile(s); Weather: 0.05 inches; Wind: from the N (360 degrees) at 18 MPH (16 KT) |
| 23:09:44 | sjm | ibot: weather YMML |
| 23:32:12 | | TomW: Try a 4-letter station code (see http://weather.noaa.gov/weather/curcond.html for locations and codes) |
| 23:32:12 | TomW | ibot: weather LVI |
| 23:32:22 | | TomW: Something failed in connecting to the NOAA web server. Try again later. |
| 23:32:22 | TomW | ibot: weather LVIA |
| 23:33:54 | | TomW: Allentown, Lehigh Valley International Airport, PA, United States; (KABE) 40-39-03N 075-26-57W 114M; last updated: Apr 11, 2002 06:51 PM EDT; Dew Point: 32.0 F (0.0 C); Pressure (altimeter): 30.54 in. Hg (1034 hPa); Relative Humidity: 38%; Sky conditions: clear; Temperature: 57.0 F (13.9 C); Visibility: 10 mile(s); Wind: from the SE (130 degrees) at 9 MPH (8 KT) |
| 23:33:54 | TomW | ibot: weather kabe |
| 23:36:35 | | jacques: San Jose, San Jose International Airport, CA, United States; (KSJC) 37-21-33N 121-55-27W 25M; last updated: Apr 11, 2002 06:53 PM EDT; Dew Point: 53.1 F (11.7 C); Pressure (altimeter): 30.13 in. Hg (1020 hPa); Relative Humidity: 58%; Sky conditions: overcast; Temperature: 68.0 F (20.0 C); Visibility: 10 mile(s); Wind: from the NW (320 degrees) at 13 MPH (11 KT) |
| 23:36:35 | jacques | ibot: weather ksjc |
| 23:37:03 | TomW | jacques: I like your weather better than mine. |
| 23:37:47 | jacques | :-) usually it's even better |
| 23:37:57 | jacques | kinda windy and cloudy today |
| 23:38:20 | | andersee was last seen on #zaurus 1 hours, 42 minutes and 35 seconds ago, saying: <private message> [Thu Apr 11 22:55:45 2002] |
| 23:38:20 | jacques | ibot: seen andersee |
| 23:39:40 | andersee | jacques: howdy. What can I do for you? |
| 23:40:24 | jacques | andersee: d'oh my mind just went blank |
| 23:40:34 | jacques | i forgot what I was going to ask you :-\ |
| 23:40:46 | jacques | maybe it will come to me |
| 23:40:50 | jacques | ooooh |
| 23:40:52 | jacques | I know |
| 23:40:58 | jacques | I built latest toolchain with 0.9.11 |
| 23:41:12 | jacques | but X still does not link :-\ just so you know. |
| 23:41:51 | andersee | grumbles |
| 23:42:08 | jacques | I know :-( |
| 23:42:23 | jacques | you have reports of the wrapper working though? |
| 23:42:38 | andersee | mind creating an X makefile for the tuxscreen buildroot, so I can test things and make it work? |
| 23:43:13 | andersee | I thought I'd been giving such a report, but I might have been mistaken... |
| 23:44:37 | jacques | andersee: yeah I already promised BZFlag I would work on that |
| 23:44:53 | jacques | andersee: I was hoping wchar support would show up and make my life easier :-) |
| 23:44:58 | jacques | but I will get started |
| 23:47:57 | | andersee was last seen on #tuxscreen 4 minutes and 44 seconds ago, saying: I thought I'd been giving such a report, but I might have been mistaken... [Fri Apr 12 00:43:13 2002] |
| 23:47:57 | Tangent | ibot seen andersee |
| 23:48:12 | Tangent | andersee: Hi there :) |
| 23:48:42 | Tangent | andersee: Just compiled up busybox from CVS, but I had a problem with insmod.c (which I quickly hacked around) |
| 23:49:18 | andersee | oh? |
| 23:49:24 | Tangent | andersee: It was telling me that ELFDATAM was undefined |
| 23:50:02 | andersee | busybox.stable (0.60.3pre) or busybox (0.61pre)? |
| 23:50:08 | andersee | For ARM? |
| 23:50:10 | Tangent | andersee : 0.61pre |
| 23:50:12 | jacques | Tangent: tihs was against glibc, right ? |
| 23:50:22 | Tangent | andersee: Yep.. arm... compiling native on my ipaq |
| 23:50:35 | Tangent | andersee: Got the same problem cross compiling on x86 tho |
| 23:51:02 | Tangent | andersee: On line 403.... of insmod.c is where I hacked around the problem... |
| 23:51:19 | Tangent | andersee: It would seem that neither __ARMEB__ or __ARMEL__ were defined for me |
| 23:51:28 | Tangent | andersee: so ELFEDATAM was never defined |
| 23:52:09 | andersee | Tangent: checking on my NetWinder.... |
| 23:53:53 | Tangent | andersee: And also... i don't know if you remember my mail (from jim@secret.org.uk) about problems with debootstrap... but it would seem I've still got 'em |
| 23:54:07 | BZFlag | TomW: yeah, modify that one. I plan to send another main board by itself that you can swap with that board. |
| 23:54:53 | andersee | Tangent: I vagely recall such debootstrap problems. I don't recall any conclusions being reached... |
| 23:55:10 | TomW | BZFlag: good! This board acts flakey.. |
| 23:55:25 | Tangent | andersee: Ah.. I thought you'd said in your reply 'fixed in CVS' which is why I was finally trying it |
| 23:55:53 | andersee | Tangent: Hmmm. Perhaps I am remembering a different email... |
| 23:55:54 | BZFlag | which board? the one I sent? what's flakey? |
| 23:55:59 | andersee | gets _lots_ of email |
| 23:56:14 | Tangent | digs through mail for a date to narrow it down... |
| 23:56:24 | TomW | BZFlag: You have to touch the board in the area of the FLASH chips to load the blob and download into the FLASH chips. I suspect it may be a grounding problem of some kind. |
| 23:57:05 | TomW | BZFlag: BTW, Inferno has a limit as to the size of the blob it will load: < 32767 bytes. |
| 23:57:24 | BZFlag | huh? if you use F!all ? |
| 23:57:38 | BZFlag | I've loaded full 4M inferno images that way. |
| 23:58:25 | BZFlag | TomW: you did the 12v flash unlock on it and that went ok? |
| 23:58:42 | TomW | Yup, this board died with a 39K blob image when I tried to download via Inferno, it just sat there. I had announced "eraseing/writing 0000/7fff" then played dead. |
| 23:59:30 | Tangent | andersee: mailed you on 23rd march... but reading through that mail, it doesn't show the problem effectively anyhow |
| 23:59:36 | TomW | Unlock went fine, one shot was all it took. The board is booting linux now, I have the 32M capable blob installed. I am about to solder the new DRAM on now. |
| 23:59:48 | BZFlag | TomW: that's what happens if the flash is not unlocked right. |
| 23:59:51 | andersee | Tangent: ok, reproduced the insmod problem on my 'winder |
| 23:59:54 | BZFlag | hmm. |
