| 00:29:10 | lacapeno | Is there anybody else? |
| 00:30:03 | lacapeno | Which is this channel about? |
| 01:43:04 | Sammy | hi ^_^ |
| 01:46:46 | scanline | morning sammy |
| 01:49:32 | Sammy | howdy scanline :D |
| 02:54:04 | scanline | is away: ZzZz |
| 05:17:14 | andersee | evening all |
| 05:18:12 | sjm | waves |
| 05:40:53 | andersee | evening tim |
| 06:40:46 | BZFlag | hey, back from st george. catching up on email etc. |
| 06:47:55 | andersee | have fun? |
| 06:49:34 | BZFlag | sure, it was ok. nice and warm down there. Had Henry's 3rd b-day party. |
| 06:49:56 | BZFlag | first trip in the new (to us) explorer. |
| 06:50:01 | andersee | Wow. Its been that long? |
| 06:50:17 | andersee | remembers when Henry was born |
| 06:51:52 | BZFlag | yep 3 years. can you believe it? |
| 06:52:23 | BZFlag | did you read henry's irc session? it's a crackup. http://HenryLyon.Rikers.org/henryirc.txt |
| 06:55:08 | andersee | hehe |
| 06:57:40 | andersee | tries for the 4 millionth time to make everything work |
| 09:49:18 | | Test Successful! |
| 09:49:18 | fontenot | ibot: test |
| 09:49:32 | | Test Failed! |
| 09:49:32 | fontenot | ibot: test |
| 09:51:15 | | Test Successful! |
| 09:51:15 | fontenot | ibot: test |
| 09:55:49 | | Test Successful! |
| 09:55:49 | fontenot | ibot: test |
| 10:00:46 | LoneTech | fontenot: bored? |
| 10:18:32 | fontenot | LoneTech: my connection was doing strange things |
| 12:13:47 | scanline | is back (gone 09:19:44) |
| 12:15:51 | LoneTech | wb scanline |
| 12:15:56 | scanline | hiya LoneTech |
| 12:16:11 | scanline | I was actually sleeping at night :) |
| 12:16:35 | LoneTech | congrats |
| 12:16:59 | scanline | well, it seems that usually i sleep during the day or something... |
| 12:37:02 | fontenot | heh |
| 12:37:17 | fontenot | damn i am addicted to bzflag (tha game) |
| 13:11:22 | fontenot | hi GPSFan :-) |
| 13:11:28 | fontenot | how are you? |
| 13:12:24 | GPSFan | good morning fontenot: clear & cool here in Western Colorado, busy day ahead. |
| 13:30:52 | scanline | LoneTech: i think i fixed atomicnav so it displays google again! |
| 13:31:07 | scanline | LoneTech: really simple mistake too.. the preferred height on the word divnodes was never set |
| 13:31:37 | scanline | LoneTech: ctrl-alt-o would show one line with an unreasonably large height |
| 13:32:14 | scanline | has renewed confidence in picogui's textbox |
| 14:03:30 | fontenot | hi andersee |
| 14:04:01 | andersee | morning |
| 14:05:03 | fontenot | hi SpaceCoaster |
| 14:05:10 | fontenot | must be morning :-) |
| 14:05:36 | fontenot | i think i am going to sue bzflag |
| 14:05:42 | SpaceCoaster | hi, yup it's morning here |
| 14:05:47 | fontenot | my finger is very sore |
| 14:05:58 | fontenot | from playing bzflag for like 12 hours |
| 14:06:37 | fontenot | or maybe i should sue logitech for making the mouse - they probably have more money :-) |
| 14:06:47 | fontenot | oooh, sony for making the monitor! |
| 14:06:53 | fontenot | they have even more :-) |
| 14:06:55 | SpaceCoaster | ahh, I was concerned for a moment, yeah he has been getting good advertising for bzflag |
| 14:07:26 | fontenot | no i am just joking everyone |
| 14:07:35 | fontenot | sorry |
| 14:07:49 | fontenot | bzflag is like crack |
| 14:07:59 | fontenot | i am horribly addicted |
| 14:08:03 | fontenot | (not to crack) |
| 14:08:04 | SpaceCoaster | hi mallum, how are things in the blueyonder |
| 14:08:48 | SpaceCoaster | fontenot: stop rambling, you are just getting in deeper! |
| 14:09:12 | fontenot | SpaceCoaster: i was just realizing that :-) |
| 14:09:56 | fontenot | shuts up now. |
| 14:11:07 | SpaceCoaster | fontenot: ahh, don't be like that, any who, I noticed that they have 72pin SODIMMs at www.computersurplusoutlet.com, anyone know if they work in the TuxScreen? |
| 14:11:48 | fontenot | SpaceCoaster: ask gpsfan - he got some |
| 14:12:13 | fontenot | i believe the 32MB ones can be made to show up as 16MB |
| 14:12:45 | GPSFan | SpaceCoaster: I got mine to work is several ways, see the last paragraph of: http://tuxscreen.net/wiki/view/SODIMM |
| 14:13:00 | SpaceCoaster | fontenot: thanks |
| 14:14:27 | GPSFan | SpaceCoaster: I now have a 38M Tux, however there is some question as to whether the 6 1M chunks formed by the onboard DRAM are complete or not, TomW: is looking into why chkmem.c doesn't work (blob 2.0.5) |
| 14:14:55 | SpaceCoaster | GPSFan: good morning, sounds good, might buy a couple |
| 14:15:22 | SpaceCoaster | GPSFan: are they reasonable with the shipping? |
| 14:15:38 | fontenot | i think its kinda high unless you buy a bunch |
| 14:15:50 | GPSFan | at $6.99 each, they are not too expensive, I paid $8.00 shipping for 2 72 pin & 2 144pin SODIMMS. |
| 14:16:40 | SpaceCoaster | GPSFan: not bad, I have seen plenty of rippoff shipping sites. |
| 14:16:53 | GPSFan | that was for FedEX ground |
| 14:18:15 | SpaceCoaster | GPSFan: they say the shipping weight is 1lb! do they ship it in a lead box? |
| 14:19:41 | fontenot | :-) |
| 14:19:43 | GPSFan | haha! it was in an "Airborn Letter Express" package, with a FedEX Ground shipping label on it, I think 1lb is their minimum. |
| 14:19:55 | andersee | They round up to the weight of the next largest lead brick |
| 14:20:11 | fontenot | maybe i should order a lead brick too |
| 14:20:21 | fontenot | i can make bullets with it |
| 14:25:57 | mallum | SpaceCoaster: good for a chnage .... |
| 14:26:56 | SpaceCoaster | mallum: glad to here it, might be heading back soon. |
| 14:27:03 | SpaceCoaster | s/here/hear/ |
| 14:28:02 | SpaceCoaster | GPSFan: what is the hardware mod for the 8k page SODIMMS, same as for the onboard memory expansion? |
| 14:30:19 | GPSFan | SpaceCoaster: I know I said that they were 8k on the wiki page, and TomW seems to think they are 8k too, But I've been doing some looking for the actual chip datasheets, and all I can find is 4k or 2k for the 2M x 8 parts that are used on the SODIMMS. I would recommend waiting till we have the memory test program working to make sure the memory is really there. |
| 14:30:59 | mallum | SpaceCoaster: back to the UK ? |
| 14:31:19 | GPSFan | bbl, lotsto do outside today... |
| 14:31:34 | GPSFan | s/lotsto/lots to |
| 14:32:02 | SpaceCoaster | mallum: indeed, my wife has an third interview at Dartmouth College if that poops then we go back to blighty. |
| 14:32:55 | fontenot | GPSFan: have fun |
| 14:45:41 | fontenot | bored now |
| 14:47:29 | SpaceCoaster | fontenot: maybe you can pop over to GPSFans place and help him feed the critters? |
| 14:48:13 | fontenot | sounds like fun |
| 14:48:21 | fontenot | i like critters |
| 14:49:34 | SpaceCoaster | me too, fed the chipmunks this morning |
| 14:50:29 | SpaceCoaster | mallum: so what is good? |
| 14:56:03 | mallum | SpaceCoaster: in england ? |
| 14:56:10 | mallum | SpaceCoaster: weather is niceish at the mo |
| 14:58:16 | scanline | is away: powdered eggs, pseudopotatoes, and a ton of salt, with a bagel on the side |
| 14:59:24 | fontenot | ?? |
| 14:59:30 | fontenot | i prefer real eggs |
| 14:59:51 | fontenot | mmmm eggs |
| 15:05:52 | prpplague | mroning all |
| 15:06:08 | prpplague | s/mroning/morning even |
| 15:08:55 | fontenot | hi prpplague |
| 15:09:24 | prpplague | fontenot: howdy |
| 15:17:10 | scanline | is back (gone 00:18:55) |
| 15:23:07 | prpplague | scanline: how goes the picogui development? |
| 15:23:38 | scanline | a few small victories |
| 15:24:07 | prpplague | scanline: every victory counts |
| 15:24:16 | scanline | the textbox widget was broken for a while... we were putting off fixing it because john has been working on a replacement |
| 15:24:28 | scanline | but we haven't heard from john in a while so we're resuming work on the original textbox |
| 15:24:38 | prpplague | hmm |
| 15:24:54 | scanline | the current textbox design is a memory hog... but we should get it working enough that people can use it before overhauling it completely |
| 15:25:33 | scanline | oh, and we started work on Widget Templates |
| 15:25:37 | scanline | that should be pretty nifty |
| 15:25:50 | scanline | I got the Widget Template loading and instantiation code done, and defined the format for compiled templates |
| 15:25:59 | scanline | lalo's going to be writing the compiler |
| 15:26:27 | scanline | the widget template compiler and Python client lib will share a lot of code |
| 15:57:40 | prpplague | anyone use gpio under x86 processors before? |
| 16:02:56 | scanline | I didn't think x86's had real gpio's, unless things like the parellel port count |
| 16:03:57 | prpplague | scanline: there is a whole line of x86 clones that have gpio's ali m series, stpc series, and the elan series |
| 17:47:59 | scanline | is away: class |
| 20:23:53 | | I haven't seen 'andresee', sjhill |
| 20:23:53 | sjhill | ibot: seen andresee |
| 20:24:00 | | I haven't seen 'anderesee', sjhill |
| 20:24:00 | sjhill | ibot: seen anderesee |
| 20:24:03 | | andersee was last seen on #tuxscreen 6 hours, 4 minutes and 8 seconds ago, saying: They round up to the weight of the next largest lead brick [Mon Apr 8 15:19:55 2002] |
| 20:24:03 | sjhill | ibot: seen andersee |
| 20:25:17 | TomW | prpplague: Linux class tonite. |
| 20:38:41 | GPSFan | TomW: ever thought of videotaping or recording your class? as a newbie. I'd be interested in something like that. |
| 20:39:03 | GPSFan | s/newbie./newbie, |
| 20:39:11 | TomW | GPSFan: No! I don't want any incriminating evidence lying around! |
| 20:39:33 | GPSFan | haha!!! gottcha... |
| 20:40:38 | TomW | GPSFan: I am taking a Tux along (with nano-X & nxterm running on it) as an illustration of what linux is. |
| 20:41:00 | GPSFan | TomW: how did you make out getting that stuff into cvs? |
| 20:41:10 | TomW | ?? stuff? |
| 20:41:56 | TomW | The jflash & blob-2.0.5-pre3 is now a part of the buildroot-tux cvs image. Just enable them in the Makefile to have them built. |
| 20:41:56 | GPSFan | you were talking about changes to buildrro-tux to build tinix (?) and some other stuff. |
| 20:43:09 | GPSFan | ah, I probably should have read through the archives. |
| 20:43:23 | TomW | jacques was mentioning the tinyx. I aborted doing that with nano-X as the thing is hacked so much that I wonder just what use it would be to someone else. The nano-X sources I have deviate from the microwindows cvs quite a bit. |
| 20:44:59 | GPSFan | ok, how's your 64M tux, have you run anything that really needs a lot of memory yet? |
| 20:45:56 | TomW | what I would like to do is pull down the current microwindows cvs image, merge it with Alex Holden's hack and then create a diff. The question is how usefull microwindows would be to us on the Tux. I would like to try jacques tinyx first as that may be more useful. |
| 20:47:50 | TomW | no, nothing large yet. I have been looking very seriously at adding a 10G notebook drive to that 64M Tux. I have all the parts here, I just have to integrate the electronics into the case. Looks like I will have to use an external power source to power the drive. The drive consumes 500ma @ 5v, that would be too much for the Tux supply to handle. |
| 20:48:21 | TomW | Hmmm.. 200Meg swapfile anyone? |
| 20:49:07 | GPSFan | that would make a nice package, a god alternative to a netwinder. You going to use a PCMCIA adapter, or do an IDE like via J602? |
| 20:49:16 | GPSFan | s/god/good |
| 20:50:16 | TomW | J602 is the way to go with some outboard electronics to do the 16bit access to the Data Register of the drive. |
| 20:52:10 | TomW | J602 is an 8bit memory mapped interface, there is even control lines (GPIO) to implement a RESET & IRQ to / from the drive. |
| 20:53:01 | TomW | Problem will be to get a connector that can be used to bring the signals out to my electronics. It is going to be tight... |
| 20:55:14 | TomW | GPSFan: BTW, chkmem is definately broken! If you limit it to only testing the first bank (area) of memory, it runs fine on tests 0 + 1, test 2 dumps a ton of errors out. |
| 20:57:42 | scanline | is back (gone 03:09:43) |
| 20:59:13 | GPSFan | TomW: that's what I saw too, it hangs trying to do the second bank, even on a virgin tux. |
| 21:47:10 | signal11 | that is a seriously long subject |
| 21:48:21 | | andersee was last seen on #tuxscreen 7 hours, 28 minutes and 26 seconds ago, saying: They round up to the weight of the next largest lead brick [Mon Apr 8 15:19:55 2002] |
| 21:48:21 | Russ|werk | ibot: seen andersee |
| 21:54:31 | Russ|werk | hmm...anyone hove a clue why this wouldn't work: |
| 21:54:38 | Russ|werk | Process '/sbin/getty -n -l /bin/sh -L ttySA0 115200 vt100' (pid 24037) exited. Scheduling it for.Starting pid 24038, console /dev/console: '/sbin/getty' |
| 21:55:30 | TomW | is away: teaching linux class. |
| 21:55:46 | Russ|werk | ::respawn:/sbin/getty -n -l /bin/sh -L ttySA0 115200 vt100 |
| 22:07:57 | BZFlag | ttySA0::respawn:/sbin/getty -L ttySA0 115200 vt100 <- works for me provided I'm not using serial console. |
| 22:08:33 | Russ|werk | I don't have login |
| 22:10:37 | BZFlag | serial console? or vt ? |
| 22:10:43 | Russ|werk | serial console |
| 22:10:53 | BZFlag | I had to use something like: |
| 22:11:37 | BZFlag | null::respawn:/sbin/getty -L ttySA0 115200 vt100 |
| 22:11:48 | BZFlag | to get it working with serial console. |
| 22:12:07 | BZFlag | bb init has the "feature" that it disables gettys when it detects a serial console. |
| 22:13:05 | BZFlag | I'm not a fan of that at all. I'd rather see it kill the tty* gettys when it detects they don't exist. serial console should have nothing to do with it. |
| 22:13:27 | Russ|werk | its not disabling them, its trying |
| 22:13:32 | Russ|werk | I see that getty is being run |
| 22:13:38 | BZFlag | seems like sysinit tasks are not starting right either. |
| 22:13:48 | BZFlag | got a /dev/ttySA0 ? |
| 22:13:51 | Russ|werk | I thkin he fixed that |
| 22:13:51 | Russ|werk | ya |
| 22:14:01 | Russ|werk | the debug output comes out ok |
| 22:14:02 | BZFlag | init=/bin/sh works? |
| 22:14:05 | Russ|werk | yes |
| 22:14:14 | Russ|werk | I can nc into it with netkit-tiny telnetd |
| 22:14:47 | BZFlag | echo foo >/dev/ttySA0 works? |
| 22:15:33 | Russ|werk | ya |
| 22:16:19 | BZFlag | but you can't run the getty from the command line? ie: /sbin/getty -L ttySA0 115200 vt100 <- dies? |
| 22:16:57 | Russ|werk | ya |
| 22:17:02 | Russ|werk | I don't have login anyway |
| 22:17:09 | BZFlag | oh yeah. |
| 22:17:36 | BZFlag | last I looked it looked to me like command line processing for getty might be messed up. |
| 22:18:09 | BZFlag | what about "sh </dev/ttySA0 >/dev/ttySA0" ? |
| 22:18:45 | Russ|werk | that works |
| 22:19:38 | Russ|werk | (until getty respawns) |
| 22:22:12 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i see you guys got a post on linuxdevices.com |
| 22:22:51 | BZFlag | will getty run at all? do you have anymore details in dmesg? |
| 22:23:15 | Russ|werk | nothing in dmesg |
| 22:23:21 | Russ|werk | getty is running for a while |
| 22:23:25 | Russ|werk | but then it gets killed |
| 22:23:30 | Russ|werk | 219 root S /sbin/getty -n -l /bin/sh -L ttySA0 115200 vt100 |