| 00:00:07 | TomW | ... I was just going to say that. |
| 00:04:44 | BZFlag | 0x00100000 @ 0xc0000000 (1 MB) |
| 00:04:44 | BZFlag | 0x00100000 @ 0xc0400000 (1 MB) |
| 00:04:45 | BZFlag | 0x00100000 @ 0xc0800000 (1 MB) |
| 00:04:45 | BZFlag | 0x00100000 @ 0xc0c00000 (1 MB) |
| 00:04:45 | BZFlag | 0x00100000 @ 0xc8000000 (1 MB) |
| 00:04:45 | BZFlag | 0x00100000 @ 0xc8400000 (1 MB) |
| 00:04:48 | BZFlag | 0x00100000 @ 0xc8800000 (1 MB) |
| 00:04:49 | BZFlag | 0x00100000 @ 0xc8c00000 (1 MB) |
| 00:04:51 | BZFlag | 0x01000000 @ 0xd0000000 (16 MB) |
| 00:04:53 | BZFlag | 0x01000000 @ 0xd8000000 (16 MB) |
| 00:05:13 | TomW | Better. That with the 64 meg? |
| 00:05:17 | BZFlag | yep. |
| 00:05:39 | TomW | um, hmmm. |
| 00:05:43 | BZFlag | tries the 32M for kicks |
| 00:07:06 | BZFlag | yep, same output as the 32. |
| 00:07:11 | BZFlag | er as the 64 |
| 00:07:53 | TomW | What is the partnumber on the chips of the 64M board? |
| 00:08:48 | BZFlag | 8 micron 4LC8M8C2 |
| 00:10:04 | BZFlag | the 32 has 4 4LC4M16R6 |
| 00:11:01 | TomW | There it is, the device is configured as an 12 column x 11 row device. Wait one minute. brb |
| 00:11:13 | BZFlag | 64MB 3.3V DRAM, 8Mx8 EDO 4K REF |
| 00:11:31 | TomW | 12 x 11 |
| 00:12:11 | BZFlag | so 2f? instead of 1f or 3f ? |
| 00:12:40 | BZFlag | the chips are 8x8. afaict |
| 00:15:42 | TomW | change the 3f to a 2f (the byte was 1f). Still reading. |
| 00:17:15 | BZFlag | yep, that's what I'm trying now... |
| 00:18:12 | TomW | We play a trick on the DRAM when it is on the main board, the 64M module doesn't like that. |
| 00:19:20 | TomW | Your main memory will probably disappear... |
| 00:19:37 | TomW | ... or become very small. |
| 00:21:04 | BZFlag | 0x0334b22f gives the same memory. |
| 00:21:37 | BZFlag | now at 2,4,6 instead of 4,8,c in the lower map. |
| 00:28:08 | TomW | mmm. No, 3f was correct value. |
| 00:30:49 | TomW | I would believe that the RAM module would need to be buzzed out to ensure that A11 is actually hooked to the A21 address line of the processor. |
| 00:33:47 | TomW | but, it sounds as if only 1/2 of the RAM is functioning. Two 32Meg banks of 4 rams each == 64M. The only control we seem to have to configure different RAM is the MDCNFG register and that only is concerned with the row count. |
| 00:34:52 | TomW | We need to use 3f to activate all twelve rows (when upgrading the motherboard to 32M) is that the older 8M ram as only 10 rows. |
| 00:36:42 | TomW | It has to be a wiring problem of some kind, even that the Tux you have has an open connection on Address one A21 coming from the processor. |
| 00:38:20 | TomW | Buzz out Pin 40 of U401 and Pin 23 of some some of the RAMs. That may be the problem. |
| 00:38:42 | TomW | s/RAMs/RAMs on the SODIMM/ |
| 00:40:16 | BZFlag | u401? |
| 00:40:36 | TomW | Yes, it is easier to get to A21 from there. |
| 00:41:04 | BZFlag | where is u401? |
| 00:41:52 | TomW | center chip next to J602. It is a 48 pin chip.. |
| 00:42:06 | BZFlag | ic401? |
| 00:42:06 | TomW | 48 pin DIL. |
| 00:42:16 | TomW | yeah, yeah. |
| 00:43:14 | TomW | same difference, losts of manufacturers label their IC's as Uxxx, shorted on the silkscreen than ICxxx |
| 00:43:37 | BZFlag | how are the pins numbers on 401? |
| 00:44:26 | TomW | Look at the chip(s) there is a dimple in the plastic. That is the corner where pin 1 is. |
| 00:44:28 | BZFlag | (you can tell /me is not a hw type) |
| 00:44:54 | BZFlag | got pin 1. which is 2 and 48? |
| 00:45:07 | TomW | I started designing hardware 'cause I was too poor to afford finsihed units. |
| 00:45:55 | TomW | counter clockwise to pin 2 (down that row of pins). Pin 48 is on the opposite side of pin 1 (across from it). |
| 00:46:10 | BZFlag | ok. buzzing. |
| 00:47:13 | BZFlag | what pin on the sodimm socket would that go to? |
| 00:47:20 | TomW | look for the dimple on the RAMs, or, you may have a NOTCH in the plastic at the "head" of the IC, with the "head' pointed up (away from you), pin 1 is always to the left. |
| 00:47:32 | TomW | Pin .. |
| 00:47:53 | TomW | Pin 23. |
| 00:48:43 | TomW | Rams are 32 pin, so top left is pin 1, bottom left pin 16, bottom right is 17, top right is 32. |
| 00:49:33 | TomW | Pin 23 is 7th pin from lower right corner. |
| 00:50:28 | BZFlag | no conection from ic401,40 to any sodimm pin. |
| 00:51:47 | TomW | looks like that is the problem, but, just to make sure. Hold the probe on pin 40 of IC401 and "drag" the other probe up both sides of the RAM to see if it may be connected elsewhere. |
| 00:52:07 | BZFlag | I dragged on the sodimm socket pins. |
| 00:52:39 | BZFlag | I don't have a sodimm in the socket at the moment. |
| 00:53:01 | BZFlag | just for kicks, give me another pin that should be connected from ic401 |
| 00:53:22 | TomW | BZFlag: Are you sure that you didn't also tape pin 12 on the SODIMM edge connector? Better pull that tape off, and cut the trace on pin 11. We know that we don't need pin 11 connected to anything. |
| 00:53:34 | BZFlag | yes I'm sure. |
| 00:53:36 | TomW | ok. |
| 00:54:25 | TomW | Pin 41 of IC401 to Pin 22 of the RAM. |
| 00:55:22 | TomW | You do know that you cannot use the 64Meg SODIMM with any RAM that would be on the motherboard, don't you? |
| 00:55:51 | BZFlag | why? |
| 00:56:32 | TomW | Hmm.. Maybe not. Maybe you can. |
| 00:57:01 | TomW | Why don't you just the stuff up, send it to me, and have a pro look at it? ;-) |
| 00:57:30 | TomW | Save us both some time. |
| 00:58:37 | TomW | The trivia about the PRD lines is good for you to know. What it appears we have here is a more subtle problem.. |
| 00:59:08 | BZFlag | 41 goes to 19 on the sodimm socket. |
| 00:59:40 | TomW | Socket or RAM? |
| 00:59:55 | BZFlag | socket. |
| 01:00:31 | TomW | Not really important about the socket, where it gets wired to the RAM chips is critical. |
| 01:01:16 | BZFlag | ic401 pin 40 should go to sodimm socket pin 19, right? |
| 01:01:46 | BZFlag | I'm assuming the sodimm is ok, so the mod would need to be on the board. |
| 01:02:16 | BZFlag | I coulr try jumpering ic401 pin 40 to sodimm socket pin 19. thoughts? |
| 01:02:34 | TomW | BTW, pin 19 of the socket is correct place it enters the card, but we need to know if the signals are reaching the RAMs. We could have a bad connector / bad RAM. You haven't been carrying those SODIMMs in your pocket without antistactic, have you? |
| 01:02:51 | BZFlag | no. |
| 01:03:09 | BZFlag | ok, checking the sodimm too. sheesh. ;-) |
| 01:04:02 | TomW | Ok, easy way to kill RAM.. Ship the stuff to me, we have gone as far as we can here. I never could to Customer Support, would rather get in the car, drive to the customer site and .... |
| 01:04:43 | TomW | That's why I deploy linux when I can, I don't have to leave my home to fix stuff! |
| 01:05:09 | BZFlag | yep 19 on the sodimm goes to 23 on the closest ram chip. |
| 01:05:55 | TomW | Are you sure? If so, that is the wrong pin. |
| 01:05:59 | BZFlag | I wanna try jumping 40 to sodimm 19. that's the expected fix, right? |
| 01:06:14 | BZFlag | huh? 23 is wrong? |
| 01:06:47 | TomW | No, you haven't proven anything yet, you are just tossing shit on the wall and hoping it will seal the leak. STOP IT! ;-) |
| 01:07:12 | BZFlag | ic401 pin 40 should go to 19 on the sodimm, but does not. 19 on the so dimm does go to 23 on the ram. |
| 01:07:12 | TomW | I got a customer like you... |
| 01:07:35 | BZFlag | you wand u401,40 should go to 23 on the ram, which it does not. |
| 01:07:46 | BZFlag | s/wand/said/ wow. |
| 01:08:28 | BZFlag | but connecting u401 40 to sodimm 19 would complete the circuit. |
| 01:08:42 | BZFlag | or am I missing something? |
| 01:10:16 | TomW | Ok, the RAM has 12 address lines: A0..A12, the processor emits a multiplexed address on its' A10..A21 lines. During the RAS cycle, all 12 ROWs are filled with valid data. When it emits the CAS cycle, only 11 COLUMNS are valid. We have to make sure that the "unused" column (Pin 23) is hooked to an address line that wont' contain a valid COLUMN address. |
| 01:11:51 | BZFlag | and u401 pin 40 is the one it should be hooked to? |
| 01:12:28 | BZFlag | or you suspect that pin 23 is not connected someplace else? |
| 01:12:34 | BZFlag | er "is now" |
| 01:13:03 | TomW | When some manufacturers build RAM boards, they hook up the address lines up in a somewhat random order. This is because the DRAM controllers of X86 (etc) processors can remap (translate) the A10..A21 lines to get the expected RAM size. If one configuration doesn't work, they try another. We call this POST (Power On System Test). |
| 01:14:09 | TomW | The StrongARM processor cannot remap the output of the DRAM controlller, so we need to verify that no dirty tricks have been pulled byt the SODIMM manufacturer (swapping address lines to the RAM chips). |
| 01:15:00 | BZFlag | well pin 19 on the sodimm does not appear to go anyplace other than pin 23 on the rams. |
| 01:15:11 | TomW | That is the long story. The short one is to drop the SODIMM into the carton when you ship the CPU + Tux'es. |
| 01:15:17 | BZFlag | ;-) |
| 01:16:10 | TomW | If you are correct in that pin 19 of the socket goes to Pin 23 of the RAM, then it is wired to the wrong pin on the RAM. I would rather check it out myself. |
| 01:16:40 | CosmicPenguin | Time to go home.... you all have fun with your memory, eh? |
| 01:16:46 | CosmicPenguin | is away: Uh, oh.. the weasel got out again... |
| 01:16:53 | TomW | See? You are like my one customer. ;-) |
| 01:23:25 | TomW | It only took me 7 hours to build that cable for the JTAG... |
| 01:27:02 | jacques_gone | just tell me what parts to buy and what traces to cut and what blob to use :-D |
| 01:28:53 | TomW | Yes, I know what you would like to do: reccomend a specific device for the SODIMM slot so you can take it 64M. I would rather that than solder those RAMs in. It take about 1.5 hours to setup the equipment & change the RAMs. Then there is the debug (something always goes wrong).. |
| 01:29:28 | TomW | Well, it time to call it a night. cul |
| 01:29:35 | jacques | later TomW |
| 01:29:50 | TomW | hi jacques, bye jacques. |
| 01:30:43 | jacques | that was exciting to read |
| 01:30:49 | BZFlag | heh |
| 01:30:56 | sjm | smiles |
| 01:31:03 | BZFlag | TomW is frustrated with me. ;-/ |
| 01:31:49 | jacques | i think he just wants to play with your parts himself |
| 01:31:56 | jacques | hmm that came out wrong |
| 01:34:26 | BZFlag | hehehe |
| 02:51:29 | jacques | wb everyone |
| 02:58:23 | byron1 | hello |
| 03:00:50 | Keyser | hi |
| 03:10:18 | | jacques: San Jose, San Jose International Airport, CA, United States; (KSJC) 37-21-33N 121-55-27W 25M; last updated: Apr 02, 2002 09:53 PM EST; Dew Point: 51.1 F (10.6 C); Pressure (altimeter): 29.92 in. Hg (1013 hPa); Pressure tendency: 0.03 inches (1.0 hPa) higher than three hours ago; Relative Humidity: 80%; Sky conditions: clear; Temperature: 57.0 F (13.9 C); Visibility: 8 mile(s); Wind: from the NW (320 degrees) at 12 MPH (10 KT) |
| 03:10:18 | jacques | ibot: weather ksjc |
| 03:13:32 | Keyser | that reminds me of the neat GNOME weather applet I just started using, called, appropriately enough, "GNOME weather". |
| 03:13:53 | Keyser | It's nice for at work, becuase I am in a semi-secured area with no windows :( |
| 03:14:08 | jacques | i am losing my view |
| 03:14:17 | jacques | they are building a parking garage :-( |
| 03:31:44 | Keyser | doh! |
| 03:32:03 | Keyser | usually, more parking is a good thing. but not right outside your window... |
| 03:32:32 | jacques | exactly |
| 03:33:02 | jacques | and they tore up our lot to build the garage so we have no parking right now |
| 03:33:07 | Keyser | i guess you live in a big city, then. San Jose? (I know, I'm psychic :)) |
| 03:33:14 | jacques | sunnyvale |
| 03:33:29 | Keyser | from Buffy the Vampire Slayer? |
| 03:33:39 | jacques | well tht's sunnyDale :-) |
| 03:33:44 | jacques | but I get that a lot |
| 03:33:47 | Keyser | LOL. |
| 03:33:53 | Keyser | how close to San Jose is that? |
| 03:33:59 | jacques | 7 miles |
| 03:34:54 | Keyser | real estate must cost an arm and a leg. or several of each. |
| 03:35:52 | jacques | yeah i rent a tiny house and pay through the nose |
| 03:36:47 | Keyser | i saw a salary calculator that claimed $50k in Grand Rapids, MI, would be comparable to over $100k, in San Jose, when buying a house. When renting, it was only $50k->$80k. |
| 03:37:22 | jacques | yeah u saw that kinda jump when I moved here from Houston a year or so ago |
| 03:37:28 | jacques | u==I |
| 03:37:44 | Keyser | you rented out the last house available? |
| 03:38:01 | jacques | heh |
| 03:38:08 | jacques | tere are a lot more available now |
| 03:38:15 | jacques | with all the ppl losing their jobs :-\ |
| 03:38:21 | Keyser | oh, gotcha. |
| 03:38:23 | jacques | but prices have not really gone down too much |
| 03:38:31 | jacques | i was looking to move a month or so ago |
| 03:38:37 | jacques | but prices were still the same |
| 03:39:00 | Morn | is away: dreaming in java objects |
| 03:39:00 | Keyser | cool. i've been waiting for the dot com thing to blow over. |
| 03:39:31 | jacques | me too |
| 03:39:59 | Russ | Morn: that sucks |
| 03:40:00 | Keyser | i work on aerospace systems, and they seem more stable than internet related stuff. |
| 03:40:01 | Russ | java sucks |
| 03:40:32 | Russ | I dreamt not only that one of my brothers friends went out with one of my ex-gf's in highschool, |
| 03:40:46 | Russ | but that I was that friend, and it was in the past, and she was breaking up with "me" |
| 03:41:12 | Keyser | say, does anyone know how to configure what the mouse wheel does in Gnome? |
| 03:42:21 | Keyser | did she break up with "you" like she broke up with you? or did you break up with her? |
| 03:43:00 | Keyser | I'd like the mouse wheel to scroll a good 3-5 lines, none of this whole-page nonsense. |
| 03:44:11 | Russ | I was my brothers friend, it was weird |
| 03:44:24 | Russ | Keyser: hmm...scrolls ok for me |
| 03:46:21 | Keyser | since it was the past in your dream, did you do any time travel experiments like killing your own grandpa? I guess it wouldn't have the same affect if it was a time period after you were born, but it would be neat to try. |
| 03:48:01 | Keyser | in galeon it doesn't, for me. and i have the little box that says "use system step size" checked for yes. but it doesn't scroll right... |
| 03:48:23 | Keyser | (not that I have anything against your grandpa) |
| 03:50:01 | Keyser | Russ: is there a system location to change the scroll behavior? |
| 03:52:13 | kergoth | is away: zzz |
| 05:53:15 | scanline | is back (gone 08:24:04) |
| 06:38:24 | jacques | hi andersee |
| 06:57:50 | BZFlag | andersee: tuxscreen buildroot: # df |
| 06:57:50 | BZFlag | Filesystem 1k-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on |
| 06:57:50 | BZFlag | df: can't resolve symbol '__udivdi3' |
| 06:58:56 | jacques | d'oh |
| 07:00:34 | BZFlag | hmm.. remake busybox and it looks like the symbol is not there anymore. |
| 07:03:32 | BZFlag | reflashing... |
| 07:04:54 | jacques | maybe something needed a make clean |
| 07:16:24 | jacques | still flashing? |
| 07:17:08 | BZFlag | flashed, seemed to work. |
| 07:18:22 | jacques | probably binary/library mismatch of some sort |
| 07:18:30 | BZFlag | inetd starts, but telnetd says: telnetd: All network ports in use. |
| 07:19:12 | jacques | hmm |
| 07:19:23 | jacques | God Fucking Damn I am tired of configure CRAP |
| 07:19:34 | jacques | g fucking lib |
| 07:19:36 | jacques | POS |
| 07:19:53 | jacques | knows it is xcompiling and still tries to make a binary and run it and then bails |
| 07:29:00 | BZFlag | Mem: 22679552 5914624 16764928 0 4096 1953792 |
| 09:29:33 | fontenot | what did I miss? ;-) |
| 09:39:59 | andersee | dunno |
| 09:40:22 | andersee | Looks like I missed jacques having a fit about configure scripts |
| 09:40:42 | andersee | And BZFlag has having a problem with df |
| 09:45:23 | fontenot | anyone know how to xcompile glib? |
| 09:45:41 | fontenot | i searched on the web and found eric mouw(sp) being a jerk about it |
| 09:45:47 | fontenot | but not much else |
| 09:47:49 | fontenot | i thought I had done it for the ipaq but I just looked at my notes and I had to resort to building it natively |
| 09:47:51 | fontenot | :-\ |
| 09:52:46 | andersee | fontenot: http://www.uclibc.org/lists/uclibc/2002-April/005378.html |
| 09:53:11 | andersee | fontenot: glibc compiled with uClibc... |
| 09:53:19 | andersee | fontenot: err. glib |
| 09:53:33 | fontenot | andersee: yeah I saw that. but I want to know *how* to do it |
| 09:53:47 | fontenot | andersee: I am building tons of stuff against uclibc |
| 09:53:51 | fontenot | with the toolchain |
| 09:54:08 | fontenot | so far nothing has failed to build due to the uclibc or toolchain |
| 09:54:18 | fontenot | i built directfb earlier tonight for example |
| 09:54:36 | andersee | Very cool! |
| 09:54:45 | fontenot | i am setting up my xcompile env - buildingall the libs i need to build other stuff - jpeg png freetype zlib etc |
| 09:54:50 | fontenot | i build sdl the other night |
| 09:55:03 | fontenot | but glib is kicking my ass |
| 09:55:10 | andersee | Care to send me a list? I'm trying to cut a release tonight, so I may update the working app list... |
| 09:55:18 | fontenot | sure :-) |
| 09:55:20 | fontenot | be happy to |
| 09:55:35 | fontenot | many are already on the list like jpeg png zlib |
| 09:55:47 | fontenot | andersee: want me to tell you here or should I email somewhere? |
| 09:55:53 | andersee | Even better, a patch vs http://www.uclibc.org/uClibc-apps.html |
| 09:56:00 | andersee | :-) |
| 09:56:09 | fontenot | heh |
| 09:56:23 | fontenot | what sort of patch? |
| 09:56:32 | andersee | But if you are feeling lazy... I can do it. |
| 09:56:52 | andersee | i.e. update the webpage and send me the changes... |
| 09:57:06 | fontenot | heh no that should be pretty straight-forward, give me a few minutes |
| 09:57:10 | LoneTech | fontenot: unified or context are best |
| 09:57:24 | andersee | -u |
| 09:57:30 | andersee | diff -u |
| 09:57:37 | fontenot | cool, that will be NP |
| 09:58:23 | fontenot | does it matter that I havent exhaustively tested SDL and DirectFB ? |
| 09:58:30 | fontenot | they *did* build |
| 09:59:24 | andersee | excellent, thx. That will help a bunch. I know that freeswan-opportunistic key distribution, libpcap, http://icarus.com/eda/verilog were also mentioned recently... |
| 09:59:36 | andersee | In theory mozilla _might_ work now too.... |
| 10:00:00 | fontenot | ooh I almost forgot I built fltk and flwm a few days ago |
| 10:00:54 | fontenot | heh if I had a dual athlon 2100+ I might give mozilla a try :-) |
| 10:01:19 | fontenot | oh did not someone mention nessus as well? |
| 10:01:37 | andersee | heh |
| 10:01:40 | andersee | cool! |
| 10:01:53 | andersee | Doesn't nessus use gtk? |
| 10:02:14 | andersee | That just rocks. |
| 10:02:31 | andersee | feels very proud that uClibc is working so nicely now |
| 10:02:46 | fontenot | apparently nessus comprises a server and client/s |
| 10:02:53 | fontenot | at least one client uses gtk |
| 10:03:04 | fontenot | i will check the list |
| 10:04:59 | andersee | right. I run it one time to try it out. |
| 10:05:44 | andersee | I would love to get a debian build daemon running building uClibc based packages sometime... That would be cool. |
| 10:07:36 | fontenot | hmm I cant remember where I saw nessus mentioned - I think it mught have been here... |
| 10:08:10 | fontenot | yes that would be cool but better ppl than I (Tangent) have tried and failed to get the debian autobuild stuff working |
| 10:08:58 | andersee | I know I gave it a go one day, and gave up in disgust... |
| 10:10:14 | fontenot | so did tangent |
| 10:10:25 | fontenot | do you know what this is talking about: |
| 10:10:28 | fontenot | I've managed to compile SUN's C Virtual Machine (J2ME java virtual |
| 10:10:29 | fontenot | machine ) with uClibc so it can now be added to the applications list. |
| 10:10:29 | fontenot | I've also romized Prosyst's mBedded Server into cvm with uClibc ( these |
| 10:10:29 | fontenot | are the native ( C ) sources of the server accessed trough JNI. So I |
| 10:10:29 | fontenot | think it too can be added to the apps list. |
| 10:10:39 | andersee | Then I tried 'PATH=<blah> for i in *.dsc; do echo; echo $i; dpkg-source -b $i; done' and that worked reasonably well... |
| 10:11:22 | andersee | I think some dude made Java work with uClibc... |
| 10:12:09 | fontenot | i dont want to have to find a link for that one |
| 10:12:33 | fontenot | burries somewhere deep on sun's site after tons of licenses and disclaimers |
| 10:12:40 | andersee | Nah, don't worry about it. |
| 10:12:40 | fontenot | burried |
| 10:12:54 | andersee | Either add it linkless or ignore it |
| 10:13:21 | fontenot | there are going to be quite a few new addidiont |
| 10:13:25 | fontenot | additions |
| 10:13:44 | fontenot | already up to 10 and I havent even added my stuff to the list yet |
| 10:15:34 | andersee | very cool. Thanks for doing this. It sure saves me a lot of work, so I can focus on getting the release ready. |
| 10:16:16 | fontenot | glad i can help |
| 10:18:54 | fontenot | do silly little things like agendaroids (asteroids game) count? |
| 10:27:59 | andersee | sure! |
| 10:28:00 | andersee | :) |
| 10:28:26 | fontenot | :-) |
| 11:14:54 | scanline | are mpg123 and madplay on there yet? |
| 11:17:13 | scanline | hmm. gcc works with uclibc... so that means uclibc can be self-hosting now? |
| 11:19:00 | andersee | I know I've run madplay |
| 11:19:11 | andersee | Not tried mpg123... |
| 11:19:16 | scanline | i compiled both madplay and mpg123 under uclibc a few days ago for my dreamcast |
| 11:19:20 | andersee | scanline: yup |
| 11:19:41 | scanline | mpg123 works great. Madplay had some clicking, but i don't think it was uClibc's fault |
| 11:20:17 | scanline | I think the folks in #linuxdc wanted to have a word with you about some build system bugs with SuperH though :) |
| 11:20:32 | scanline | IIRC it wasn't creating the 'lib' directory automatically |
| 11:22:35 | andersee | scanline: I just fixed that in cvs |
| 11:22:40 | scanline | ah, cool |
| 11:23:03 | andersee | I've been fixing a bunch of stuff trying to get a release ready |
| 11:23:33 | scanline | What hardware do you test the SuperH code on? I don't see much SH hardware anymore... |
| 11:23:43 | andersee | I don't actually. |
| 11:24:24 | scanline | ok. The only things i've heard of based on SuperH are some old WinCE thingies and the Dreamcast |
| 11:24:40 | scanline | seems ARM gets the most use in embedded linux |
| 11:25:00 | andersee | I wish I had some sh hardware, but mostly the arch specific stuff is done and working, and I doesn't forsee the low level stuff needing any changing... |
| 11:25:12 | andersee | yup |
| 11:25:13 | scanline | nods |
| 11:25:35 | andersee | I test arm frequently on my netwinder and on my tuxscreen phones |
| 11:25:59 | andersee | I tested the powerpc build today on an @debian.org box |
| 11:26:16 | scanline | got any m68k hardware? |
| 11:26:17 | andersee | I'll try mips also before I cut the release |
| 11:26:59 | andersee | I do, but its mmuless and I rarely plug it in. I used a native m68k a guy gave me a shell on when I did the mmu-full m68k port... |
| 11:27:21 | scanline | you can get an old Mac real cheap :) |
| 11:27:30 | andersee | heh |
| 11:27:31 | scanline | found a Classic II with a 16 mHz 68030 for $5 |
| 11:27:59 | andersee | I bet that would take a month to just boot... |
| 11:28:01 | andersee | :) |
| 11:28:03 | scanline | hehe |
| 11:28:26 | scanline | i compiled picogui on a 25mhz 68030 with 8MB ram and swap+root on a zip disk.. took 2 hours |
| 11:29:04 | fontenot | andersee: OK I am done. Phew! where do you want your diff file? |
| 11:29:25 | scanline | <plug> got picogui on there yet? :) </plug> |
| 11:29:57 | andersee | fontenot: thanks for doing that! |
| 11:32:01 | fontenot | andersee: heh I know why it takes so long now :-) |
| 11:32:14 | andersee | :) |
| 11:32:30 | andersee | fontenot: getting a release out takes me a _long time_ |
| 11:33:10 | andersee | is fixing the DNS resolver to use select instead of SIGALRM |
| 11:33:25 | fontenot | hmm maybe it will start working with my dns cache now |
| 11:34:14 | fontenot | wow 18 new apps added to the list |
| 11:34:28 | fontenot | i bet madplay would build fine, but I have no way of testing it |
| 11:35:14 | fontenot | oh d'oh I missed where scanline said he had already built them |
| 11:35:35 | scanline | i've tried madplay on tuxscreen, zaurus, and dreamcast |
| 11:35:37 | andersee | fontenot: I _know_ I have built and run madplay vs uClibc and it worked. In fact I believe Gork ran it on his tuxscreen moded with the shanip2 hack... |
| 11:36:02 | scanline | I used wget and madplay to stream music on my tuxscreen :P |
| 11:36:04 | fontenot | yeah I need to do shanip2, would rather not have to make my own boards tho |
| 11:36:13 | fontenot | cool |
| 11:36:29 | scanline | shanip2's more fun without a circuit board anyway |
| 11:36:32 | fontenot | well I'll start making the list for the next wave of additions to the list |
| 11:36:39 | fontenot | scanline: do tell |
| 11:36:53 | fontenot | just a bunch of components soldered together? |
| 11:37:01 | scanline | http://tuxscreen.net/download/shanip2-pictures/ <-- this is my tuxscreen |
| 11:37:22 | scanline | i was impatient |
| 11:38:19 | fontenot | lol |
| 11:38:39 | LoneTech | I want to do shanip2 too |
| 11:38:48 | LoneTech | but I guess _working_ pcmcia-5v comes first |
| 11:39:03 | LoneTech | my first attempt caused random reboots with no additional functionality. |
| 11:39:09 | scanline | loose wire? |
| 11:39:25 | fontenot | random or arbitrary? |
| 11:39:45 | LoneTech | when I removed it, I found that it was not very well connected at one end, but not really loose |
| 11:39:52 | LoneTech | what is the difference? |
| 11:40:04 | LoneTech | it kept resetting.. usually more often the longer it had run |
| 11:40:20 | LoneTech | but the software had nothing to do with it |
| 11:40:34 | fontenot | old comp sci humor |
| 11:40:38 | fontenot | sorry |
| 11:41:29 | LoneTech | btw, I didn't change the socket structure to read 5v in kernel.. I just removed the bad vcc check. |
| 11:41:50 | LoneTech | so my kernel got a few bytes smaller ;) |
| 11:42:47 | LoneTech | next time I guess I should build ppp support too |
| 11:43:09 | LoneTech | but I managed to drop slirp into it |
| 11:46:31 | fontenot | wow havent used slirp since 1995 |
| 11:49:01 | LoneTech | I hadn't used it at all |
| 11:49:46 | LoneTech | the first message from my dialup ISP I got when logging on using Telix (or maybe it was Minicom) was that they now had "real PPP" and that you didn't need to log in before activating PPP, but could just run PPP with PAP. |
| 11:50:37 | LoneTech | I think they still have that same message in /etc/motd |
| 11:51:33 | LoneTech | nope.. they've removed it |
| 11:51:42 | LoneTech | it was there for two or three years though, at least |
| 11:51:52 | fontenot | heh |
| 11:52:29 | LoneTech | actually, one of the reasons I chose them was that I could log into the shell account without using PPP |
| 11:56:59 | fontenot | getting closer on glib |
| 11:57:13 | fontenot | libtool is not helping |
| 11:58:41 | LoneTech | then fix libtool. its purpose is to help. |
| 11:59:43 | fontenot | heh it sounds so easy when you say it like that |
| 11:59:46 | fontenot | just fix it |
| 11:59:48 | fontenot | do it |
| 11:59:50 | fontenot | make it work |
| 12:03:29 | fontenot | cool it finally built |
| 12:03:54 | fontenot | you were right - one of the things i had to do was change gcc in libtool |
| 12:04:42 | scanline | grr.. i'm dumb... i try to display a 256 color palette in an 8x8 grid and wonder why i only get 64 colors |
| 12:05:53 | LoneTech | fontenot: no offense meant |
| 12:06:06 | LoneTech | but fixing libtool will help other projects more than working around it |
| 12:10:36 | fontenot | i not sure I am even using libtool correctly |
| 12:10:55 | fontenot | but i just changed the gcc and ld configs in the libtool script and that seemed to work |
| 12:11:22 | fontenot | now I'm working on gtk+ but it's having a problem because it wants to do stuff with x libs in the configure step |
| 12:24:50 | scanline | fontenot: trying to get Gtk/DirectFB compiled with uClibc? |
| 12:25:30 | mallum | scanline: having any luck ? |
| 12:25:35 | scanline | mallum: with what? |
| 12:26:00 | mallum | scanline: oops sorry misread above - your not compiling gtk |
| 12:26:36 | scanline | is just improving picogui's support for palettized and grayscale displays |
| 12:26:56 | mallum | scanline: picogui was featured in a UK linux magazine BTW |
| 12:27:15 | mallum | scanline: want me to scan it and mail it you when I get a mo' ? |
| 12:27:27 | fontenot | now it's complaining about missing wchar.h files |
| 12:27:29 | fontenot | sigh |
| 12:27:44 | fontenot | this stuff is so complicated |
| 12:27:56 | fontenot | i cant even find where to change the define |
| 12:28:31 | scanline | mallum: hey, that'd be cool. I think i wrote that description. Got an email a while back from the Linux Format editor :) |
| 12:28:41 | mallum | somebody should write a 'gorilla guide' to building with uclibc |
| 12:28:44 | fontenot | stupid configure looks in the wrong place for stuff even when i tell it not to |
| 12:28:51 | mallum | scanline: yeah, you got a half page ! |
| 12:28:56 | scanline | whoa! |
| 12:29:01 | scanline | i'll take a copy :) |
| 12:29:25 | mallum | scanline: I have to reboot into macos to do a scan ... so I wont be able to do it until later |
| 12:29:37 | scanline | ok, whenver it's convenient. Still cool |
| 12:29:41 | fontenot | scanline: i got directfb to build but dont know how to test it |
| 12:29:47 | mallum | dont worry I wont forget |
| 12:30:09 | mallum | scanline: I'll have to build picogui for powerpc |
| 12:30:22 | scanline | :) |
| 12:30:33 | scanline | linux/ppc should be fine. picogui on MacOS X works, but it's hard to compile |
| 12:30:47 | mallum | is not a fan of OSX |
| 12:31:50 | mallum | scanline: hows the pim stuff going with picogui ? |
| 12:32:09 | LoneTech | well, since it works on arm, sparc, sh, and mips, I really doubt it has a problem with ppc. |
| 12:32:25 | scanline | i've done a lot of picogui development on my PPC laptop |
| 12:32:55 | scanline | PIM stuff... i dunno. I'm not involved with applications as much as i maybe should be |
| 12:33:41 | scanline | Mark is working on it i think |
| 12:34:02 | scanline | we'll need textbox widget though... j0hn's doing that but i haven't seen him in 18 days |
| 12:37:15 | LoneTech | I could try getting the broken one back to half-working |
| 12:37:51 | scanline | nods... |
| 12:37:59 | scanline | if j0hn isn't making progress i'd like to help with that too |
| 12:38:28 | scanline | If i'm going to make any progress with the new network code i need to reorganize the headers... which means learning some more autoconf :) |
| 12:38:41 | LoneTech | or we could try to go on from the draft j0hn sent us |
| 12:39:01 | LoneTech | network code is important |
| 12:39:15 | LoneTech | an easy&fun todo is the widget templates. |
| 12:39:26 | scanline | indeed |
| 12:39:30 | scanline | actually... |
| 12:39:43 | scanline | first thing i'll do for the network code is put dialogs in the server, and i'll need widget templates for that |
| 12:40:08 | LoneTech | it's an important step towards language independence, one of the original goals. |
| 12:40:14 | scanline | nods |
| 12:41:04 | scanline | kinda interesting how picogui's goals have evolved... reason i put the widgets in the server to begin with was uClinux didn't support shared libraries |
| 12:41:09 | mallum | python bindings now -> pypicogui ? |
| 12:41:28 | scanline | i suppose |
| 12:41:46 | LoneTech | or, in picogui naming style, cli_py |
| 12:42:17 | andersee | scanline: uClinux now supports shared libraries... |
| 12:42:43 | scanline | andersee: on m68k? |
| 12:42:54 | LoneTech | we could add support for dynamically loadable widgets |
| 12:43:26 | LoneTech | numerous spots we could do that.. |
| 12:43:32 | andersee | scanline: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=uclinux-dev&m=101772566830382&w=2 |
| 12:43:51 | LoneTech | video and input drivers, vidbase libs, widgets, loaders (file formats) |
| 12:43:52 | scanline | the video libraries would be easy to turn into shared libs |
| 12:45:44 | scanline | andersee: cool. wonder when it will be ported to 68000... |
| 12:46:00 | scanline | of course they didn't have anything this cool 2 years ago ;) |
| 12:47:25 | andersee | scanline: This is actually the 2nd implementation in the last month.... Neither company has sent me code to merge into uClibc though... |
| 12:50:30 | Morn | is back (gone 09:10:58) |
| 12:52:29 | scanline | 's roommate leaves, so he finally watches episode 21 of Excel Saga |
| 12:52:48 | andersee | Morning sjhill |
| 12:53:09 | sjhill | hey! mornin' Erik! |
| 13:04:06 | fontenot | hi TomW |
| 13:05:15 | TomW | Morning, we have 60 degress and the promise of spring in the air here in PA this morining. |
| 13:14:13 | scanline | laughs a whole bunch at the ending of Episode 21 |
| 13:21:40 | TomW | ?? episode 21? |
| 13:23:53 | scanline | of Excel Saga, it's a really weird anime series |
| 13:40:54 | fontenot | damn it got late |
| 13:41:04 | | wish i knew, fontenot |
| 13:41:04 | fontenot | ibot: what time is it? |
| 15:00:16 | CosmicPenguin | is back (gone 13:43:28) |
| 15:02:54 | | TomW: excuse me? |
| 15:02:54 | TomW | ibot: time |
| 16:31:04 | prpplague | morning all |
| 16:33:57 | TomW | prpplague: 65 degrees here. finally! |
| 16:34:47 | prpplague | TomW: ya its about that here |
| 16:35:13 | TomW | Gonna rain today, I hope, we sure need it up here in the NorthEast. |
| 16:37:38 | ctr | just picked up GTA3 |
| 16:37:40 | ctr | it rocks |
| 17:34:27 | | tomw: wish i knew |
| 17:34:27 | TomW | ibot: what time is it in EST? |
| 17:48:20 | scanline | is away: class |
| 18:24:03 | Tader | is away: watching tv ;) |
| 19:09:58 | ctr | is away: GTA3 |
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| 20:59:09 | BZFlag | ibot: seen tangent |
| 21:21:50 | Tader | is away: sleep |
| 21:34:36 | TomW | is away: I'm busy |
| 23:16:25 | scanline | is away: ZzZz |