| 00:16:41 | jacques | andersee: you awake? |
| 00:16:57 | jacques | i have a question about include directories in the toolchain |
| 00:17:46 | andersee | Feeling sleepy, but sortof awake. :) |
| 00:17:56 | jacques | :-) |
| 00:18:23 | jacques | andersee: there are two include dirs in the toolchain toolchain/include and toolchain/arm-linux/sysinclude |
| 00:18:28 | jacques | they appear to be identical |
| 00:18:45 | jacques | but I'm not sure which is used because I have had cases where each appeared ot take precedence |
| 00:19:42 | jacques | andersee: also I keep forgetting to tell you this |
| 00:19:57 | jacques | I am building X with the toolchain now instead of wrapper |
| 00:20:05 | andersee | cool. |
| 00:20:14 | jacques | however... I still have to do the manual link of Xfbdev |
| 00:20:19 | jacques | :-\ |
| 00:20:30 | andersee | The sys-include stuff is used early in the toolchain build process |
| 00:20:47 | andersee | I really should axe it in the final steps and make it a symlink |
| 00:20:50 | jacques | theoretically I can delete sys-include? |
| 00:20:58 | jacques | I will try moving it |
| 00:21:25 | jacques | yeah lib is a symlink |
| 00:21:28 | andersee | Nope. Axe it and then make it a symlink to the normal include dir, just to be safe |
| 00:21:54 | andersee | You can _probably_ just axe sys-include, but I've not tested that theory |
| 00:22:04 | jacques | ok will do |
| 00:22:09 | jacques | (symlink) |
| 00:22:22 | jacques | what do you think about the manual link thing ? |
| 00:24:35 | andersee | dunno |
| 00:24:40 | andersee | Wierd as usual. |
| 00:24:54 | jacques | heh |
| 00:25:02 | andersee | And the manual link is needed with the new toolchain too? |
| 00:25:19 | jacques | yeah that's what I meant |
| 00:25:22 | andersee | humphfs |
| 00:25:26 | jacques | havent tried with latest wrapper |
| 00:26:01 | jacques | hey I'm just glad so much stuff is building and apparently working with gcc3 |
| 00:26:03 | jacques | :-D |
| 00:26:28 | andersee | With the latest wrapper (daily snapshot, not 0.9.10) I fixed a real bug tht broke iptables and others... |
| 00:27:00 | jacques | did you see my screenshots at: http://intimate.handhelds.org/jacques/tuxa3.png |
| 00:27:26 | jacques | andersee: how does that relate to the toolchain? |
| 00:28:01 | jacques | andersee: should I try building toolchain with today's snap? my current toolchain was built with yesterday's uclibc snap |
| 00:30:20 | andersee | nah, no difference there |
| 00:30:39 | jacques | ok |
| 00:30:53 | andersee | Only relevant to people using the wrapper from 0.9.10 directly (i.e. in buildroot-tux) |
| 00:31:17 | jacques | wrapper is passe now to me |
| 00:31:23 | andersee | hehe |
| 00:40:24 | jacques | hmm I thought buildroot was building rmk3 these days |
| 00:49:19 | jacques | heh heh heh I keep forgetting the kernel will not build with the toolchain |
| 00:49:52 | andersee | What happens? |
| 00:50:20 | jacques | in the link step: |
| 00:50:22 | jacques | drivers/char/char.o(__ksymtab+0xe8): undefined reference to `spi_cleanup' |
| 00:50:50 | andersee | Hmm. Hense the need for me to get the 2.95.x toolchain working |
| 00:51:11 | RedBeard | from the kernel Makefile, it looks to be using arm-linux. I can build thttpd and iptables with the arm-linux tool chain, but not with the arm-uclibc toochain, they both fail on ld |
| 00:51:22 | RedBeard | it could be a setup issue on my end |
| 00:51:50 | jacques | RedBeard: when I built it last night it was with the gcc-3.0.4/uclibc toolchain |
| 00:52:00 | RedBeard | hmmm |
| 00:52:08 | andersee | RedBeard: If you grab the latest uClibc daily snapshot iptables, at least, will work. |
| 00:52:43 | andersee | RedBeard: I fixed a uClibc wrapper toolchain bug like the day after the release |
| 00:52:51 | RedBeard | ahh, okay |
| 00:52:53 | RedBeard | thanks |
| 00:53:05 | jacques | yeah my toolchain i built with yesterday's uclibc snap |
| 00:53:35 | RedBeard | I'm using what came with the cvs build-root I grabbed on Sat. |
| 00:53:44 | RedBeard | I'll upgrade |
| 00:54:03 | jacques | RedBeard: bah. get with the program :-D |
| 00:54:18 | jacques | saturday is, like, DAYS ago |
| 00:54:28 | RedBeard | yeah, it's nearly a week ago now! |
| 00:54:31 | RedBeard | I'm so behind |
| 00:54:32 | andersee | RedBeard: buildroot is fixed at uClibc 0.9.10 |
| 00:54:53 | RedBeard | what's the best way to do this, nuke the buildroot dir struct and start from scratch? |
| 00:55:09 | andersee | RedBeard: You will need to change the Makefile to get the snapshot (I have the right stuff in the uClibc section commented out) |
| 00:55:17 | jacques | well you can modify the buildroot makefile like I do |
| 00:55:24 | jacques | yeah what andersee said |
| 00:55:28 | RedBeard | okay |
| 00:55:48 | jacques | RedBeard: I sometimes mv sources/dl out and nuke the buildrot |
| 00:55:53 | jacques | then move it back in |
| 00:56:12 | RedBeard | Okay |
| 00:56:44 | jacques | oh what I would give for working calibration-supporting tuxscreen under x with recent kernel |
| 00:56:55 | jacques | tuxscreen==touchscreen |
| 00:56:56 | BZFlag | what would you give? ;-) |
| 00:57:24 | jacques | probably not enough, but maybe like $200 |
| 00:57:46 | jacques | that's two whole tuxscreens |
| 00:58:53 | jacques | I wonder if anyone is still working on shanip |
| 00:58:58 | jacques | I need to have sound |
| 01:00:55 | jacques | i was hoping not to have to make my own pcb's |
| 01:03:19 | Russ|werk | jacques: what kernel are you using now? |
| 01:03:33 | jacques | Russ|werk: 2.4.18-rmk2-tux1 |
| 01:05:17 | jacques | Russ|werk: I heard something about ts being better in the latest kernel ? |
| 01:06:04 | Russ|werk | the latest I know of is 2.4.18-rmk3, which I have a tuxpatch for |
| 01:06:12 | Russ|werk | you can interdiff rmk3 and rmk2 |
| 01:08:11 | jacques | oooh, infradead is back up |
| 01:08:34 | jacques | but slow as heck |
| 01:08:53 | kergoth | andersee: whats the parameter to pass to ld to get it to link the crtX.o files from a path other than its default? |
| 01:09:30 | andersee | -nostartfiles followed by the full-path included replacements |
| 01:09:43 | kergoth | ah, thanks :-) |
| 01:25:54 | wzdd | It's a whole news page in a topic! |
| 01:51:14 | Russ|werk | working jtag link |
| 02:14:28 | scanline | is away: I'm busy |
| 02:16:38 | BZFlag | hates that aspect of the sfWiki. /wiki/view/TimRiker should suffice. |
| 02:17:20 | scanline | is back (gone 00:02:52) |
| 02:17:40 | scanline | really is back this time... he thinks |
| 02:18:54 | jacques | wades through tslib code. |
| 02:21:45 | sjm | Russ|werk: Your patch-2.4.18-rmk3-tux1.bz2 is empty :( |
| 02:25:02 | jacques | he |
| 02:25:07 | jacques | heh |
| 02:25:27 | jacques | hi sjm that's a mighty purdy chess program you made |
| 02:25:55 | sjm | bows |
| 02:26:04 | sjm | thanks |
| 02:26:31 | jacques | what engine you using? crafty? or did you make it yourself? |
| 02:26:48 | sjm | jacques: tscp |
| 02:27:18 | jacques | havent heard of that |
| 02:27:31 | sjm | Neither had I until I started looking :) |
| 02:27:54 | jacques | heh, I had considered building crafty for the tux |
| 02:29:30 | sjm | gnuchess is too bloated, and I don't know C++, so that rules out crafty, so I went with tscp |
| 02:30:55 | jacques | yes gnuchess is definitely too big |
| 02:31:09 | jacques | even crafty would have ot be using the "small" config and database |
| 02:31:50 | sjm | tscp does not use a database - it calculates moves on the fly |
| 02:33:18 | jacques | well i think crafty only uses it for openings |
| 02:38:12 | BZFlag | and there was much rejoicing. |
| 02:38:23 | jacques | heh |
| 02:39:05 | BZFlag | old // still works, but is not required. |
| 02:46:14 | Russ|werk | sjm: hmm |
| 02:46:17 | Russ|werk | ok lemme fix that |
| 02:53:23 | Russ|werk | sjm: that should work better |
| 02:53:27 | Russ|werk | away |
| 05:30:14 | RedBeard | I hope this isn't too stupid a question, what is the difference between the arm-linux and arm-uclibc? |
| 05:30:40 | sjm | arm-linux uses glibc |
| 05:32:12 | RedBeard | so, when I'm editing a make file and set the CROSS_COMPILE = arm-uclibc- I'm going to be confusing things, I should set it to arm-linux-? |
| 05:33:05 | sjm | If you want to link against uClibc, then use arm-uclibc. |
| 05:33:06 | RedBeard | oh, wait.... that's what I thought |
| 05:33:10 | jacques | that's gotta be the stupidest question I have ever heard |
| 05:33:13 | jacques | :-D |
| 05:33:16 | jacques | just kidding |
| 05:33:23 | wzdd | Haha. Mean. :) |
| 05:33:30 | RedBeard | sjm: I missread your response, that's what I thought |
| 05:33:38 | RedBeard | jacques: :P~ |
| 05:33:42 | jacques | :-D |
| 05:34:06 | RedBeard | okay, the tuxscreen doesn't have glibc on it does it? |
| 05:34:19 | RedBeard | it's got uclibc, right? |
| 05:34:22 | jacques | correct |
| 05:34:49 | RedBeard | so, when I'm xcompiling for the tuxscreen, I need to use arm-uclibc? |
| 05:35:08 | RedBeard | why does the kernel compile using arm-linux? |
| 05:35:20 | jacques | because the kernel does ont link against any libc |
| 05:35:31 | jacques | so it does no tmatter |
| 05:35:35 | jacques | dammit i cannot type |
| 05:35:48 | sjm | hehe - just the word not apparently |
| 05:35:48 | RedBeard | okay |
| 05:35:52 | jacques | heh |
| 05:35:58 | RedBeard | jacques: thanks |
| 05:36:05 | jacques | i have a problem with putting space in the wrong place |
| 05:36:09 | jacques | RedBeard: np |
| 05:36:42 | RedBeard | I've got iptables to xcompile with arm-linux, but it fails with arm-uclibc |
| 05:36:50 | RedBeard | I'll keep working on it |
| 05:37:32 | jacques | RedBeard: did you get the latest uClibc snap? |
| 05:37:50 | RedBeard | I think so, how can I check that? |
| 05:37:50 | jacques | RedBeard: I assume you are using the uclibc wrapper that comes in buildroot-tux ? |
| 05:37:55 | RedBeard | yup |
| 05:38:09 | jacques | RedBeard: look in the build dir in your buildroot |
| 05:38:09 | sjm | does it use other libraries besides libc? |
| 05:38:26 | RedBeard | and I blew away my buildroot-tux, and started with fresh checkout from cvx |
| 05:38:34 | RedBeard | s/cvx/cvs |
| 05:38:43 | jacques | RedBeard: I *think* the snap dir will be uClibc while the release will be like uClibc-0.9.10 |
| 05:38:55 | jacques | RedBeard: but did you modify your buildroot makefile ? |
| 05:38:58 | andersee | RedBeard: did you edit buildroot-tux/Makefile to use the daily snapshot? |
| 05:39:12 | andersee | RedBeard: If not, iptables won't compile |
| 05:39:18 | RedBeard | -rwxr-xr-x 1 danm danm 7576 Mar 27 21:33 arm-uclibc-gcc |
| 05:39:18 | RedBeard | -rwxr-xr-x 1 danm danm 265 Mar 27 21:33 arm-uclibc-ld |
| 05:40:08 | andersee | RedBeard: I fixed a bug in arm-uclibc-gcc a few days after the 0.9.10 release which allows iptables to compile |
| 05:40:54 | RedBeard | andersee: I saw your comment on that earlier, that's why I grabbed new stuff, I don't think I got the right thing edited in the make file |
| 05:41:03 | jacques | RedBeard: it should look like this: |
| 05:41:08 | jacques | #UCLIBC_DIR:=$(BUILD_DIR)/uClibc-0.9.10 |
| 05:41:08 | jacques | #UCLIBC_SOURCE:=uClibc-0.9.10.tar.bz2 |
| 05:41:08 | jacques | # FIXME - this changes daily. we should use a stable tarball and cvs up if desi\ |
| 05:41:08 | jacques | red |
| 05:41:08 | jacques | UCLIBC_DIR=$(BUILD_DIR)/uClibc |
| 05:41:08 | jacques | UCLIBC_SOURCE=uClibc-snapshot.tar.bz2 |
| 05:41:24 | jacques | the first two commented out the second two uncommented |
| 05:41:27 | RedBeard | yeah, I'm looking at that part and I've got it backwards from you |
| 05:41:28 | RedBeard | thanks |
| 05:41:51 | jacques | np |
| 05:46:15 | RedBeard | is uclibc.org down for anyone else? |
| 05:46:50 | jacques | me |
| 05:47:23 | RedBeard | jacques: thanks for checking |
| 05:47:59 | jacques | heh I'm waiting for a couple of databases to load so I have time :-) |
| 05:48:12 | RedBeard | ah |
| 05:48:56 | RedBeard | is enjoying Saturday's episode of Red Dwarf |
| 05:49:26 | andersee | RedBeard: The admins often do maintainence on Wed evening... |
| 05:49:55 | andersee | RedBeard: You can grab things from de.busybox.net or codepoet.org instead |
| 05:50:44 | RedBeard | andersee: thanks |
| 05:51:22 | andersee | I just updated the buildroot makefile to make it easy to use uClibc daily snapshots |
| 05:53:40 | RedBeard | thanks |
| 06:19:38 | RedBeard | g'nite |
| 06:24:29 | sjm | back on tuesday... |
| 06:24:39 | sjm | is going away for Easter :) |
| 06:48:10 | jacques | AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRFGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG |
| 06:48:13 | jacques | !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 06:48:35 | jacques | i am SO tired of the shell in busybox killing all my processes when I hit ctrl-C |
| 06:48:41 | jacques | what's u pwith hat anyway? |
| 06:48:46 | jacques | I thought that was fixed |
| 06:48:55 | jacques | ??????? |
| 06:59:46 | jacques | too bad bash and tcsh are so big |
| 07:00:38 | jacques | actually bash makes tcsh look small |
| 08:21:04 | LoneTech | is away: work |
| 08:53:23 | scanline | gah... |
| 08:53:25 | TomW | finally, nano-X runs! Now, if I can only figure out why pcmcia has stopped working. |
| 08:53:30 | scanline | "fork: function not implemented" |
| 08:53:52 | TomW | ?? Sounds like you need vfork() ? |
| 08:53:56 | scanline | no |
| 08:54:03 | scanline | this is an SH4, it has an MMU |
| 08:54:08 | scanline | uClibc is confused |
| 08:54:23 | TomW | Ok. |
| 09:20:31 | scanline | ARGH.... i had the processor set to sh4 instead of SH4 |
| 09:20:36 | scanline | feels dumb no |
| 09:20:38 | scanline | err, now |
| 09:21:15 | TomW | you are tired, easy to make mistakes. |
| 09:21:22 | scanline | i'm not tired |
| 09:21:40 | scanline | why do you assume i am? |
| 09:21:58 | TomW | just assumed that you were up all night, same as me. |
| 09:22:23 | scanline | ah... no, when i'm on break from school i usually take up a weird schedule. I woke up at 6 PM |
| 09:24:03 | TomW | I have always been a night person. |
| 09:24:20 | scanline | yep.. i'm convinced i can code better at night :) |
| 09:25:43 | scanline | yay, i can fork now |
| 09:25:48 | scanline | makes linux a lot more useful... |
| 09:25:52 | TomW | less people to distract you. In my former life (job), I would overlap the production people by a couple of hours. that way, when they went home for the day, I had time I could work undisturbed. |
| 09:27:06 | scanline | yep, that too |
| 09:27:42 | fontenot_ | anyone here having the ctrl-C problem with the busybox shell? |
| 09:27:55 | fontenot_ | I start processes backgrounded & |
| 09:28:14 | scanline | just compiled the busybox shell.. |
| 09:28:22 | scanline | if it works at all, i'll test that for ya |
| 09:28:23 | fontenot_ | then start another process like ping, phit ctrl-C to kill ping and all my backgrounded proceeses die too |
| 09:28:34 | fontenot_ | EXTREMELY annoying |
| 09:28:56 | scanline | gah... |
| 09:29:02 | scanline | kernel oops on mounting /proc |
| 09:29:06 | fontenot_ | :-\ |
| 09:29:09 | scanline | grumble grumble... |
| 09:31:55 | TomW | fontenot_: I am building a stock kernel + ramfs now, I can try it for you. |
| 09:32:41 | scanline | finally has a working busybox shell compiled |
| 09:33:20 | scanline | works for me |
| 09:33:28 | scanline | i ran "sleep 10000&" |
| 09:33:35 | scanline | ran jobs to verify it was backgrounded |
| 09:33:53 | scanline | ran another sleep in the foreground, CTRL-C, and the background one was still going |
| 09:34:04 | scanline | i'm using ash |
| 09:36:01 | fontenot_ | TomW: thanks |
| 09:36:30 | fontenot_ | hmm I am using standard buildroot-tux image from yesterday |
| 09:36:47 | scanline | busybox has 3 shells to choose from.. which one are you using? |
| 09:37:01 | fontenot_ | scanline: whatever buildroot-tux builds |
| 09:37:18 | scanline | fontenot_: well, it tells you when the shell starts |
| 09:37:52 | fontenot_ | BusyBox v0.60.2 (2002.03.26-22:41+0000) Built-in shell (ash) |
| 09:37:59 | scanline | ok |
| 09:38:19 | scanline | i'm using the same one :P |
| 09:38:26 | fontenot | hmm |
| 09:38:49 | scanline | could be that ctrl-c isn't getting handled right, and it's killing everything, and the shell just happens to respawn? |
| 09:39:19 | fontenot | AFICT the shell does not die... |
| 09:39:27 | fontenot | let me check - get minimal test case |
| 09:40:08 | fontenot | hmm is't not doing it now |
| 09:40:14 | fontenot | maybe it only happens with the X server |
| 09:40:17 | fontenot | let me check |
| 09:40:54 | fontenot | sigh |
| 09:40:58 | fontenot | it's not doing it now |
| 09:41:19 | scanline | phase of the moon? |
| 09:41:38 | fontenot | hmm I need to look into it more because I thin kit just did it again |
| 09:41:43 | fontenot | might have something to do with X |
| 09:43:27 | fontenot | ok here is how I can reproduce it |
| 09:43:35 | fontenot | ./Xfbdev & |
| 09:43:40 | fontenot | ping www.apple.com |
| 09:43:44 | fontenot | ctrl-C |
| 09:43:51 | fontenot | Xfbdev and pin both die |
| 09:43:53 | fontenot | ping |
| 09:43:58 | fontenot | but not the sleep |
| 09:44:02 | fontenot | bizarro |
| 09:44:07 | fontenot | maybe I will try tcsh |
| 09:46:08 | TomW | fontenot: are you running a stripped X server on the Tux? |
| 09:47:05 | fontenot | TomW: stripped how? of symbols or functionality? |
| 09:48:40 | TomW | fontenot: Stripped as to functionality. |
| 09:49:09 | fontenot | TomW: yeah - it's tinyX aka kdrive |
| 09:50:48 | fontenot | TomW: any specifics you wanna know? such as extensions builtin? |
| 09:52:38 | TomW | fontenot: Well, I don't have a lot of background with GUI's on embedded systems. So, I am now looking at various GUI's to find one that would resemble something like an X server + window manager where icons can be used to launch apps. |
| 09:52:50 | TomW | fontenot: I am currently messing with nano-X. |
| 09:54:05 | TomW | fontenot: I didn't know it was possible to cram X into a Tux. I have a 48Meg Compact Flash that I could use to store the binary if it is too large. |
| 09:54:31 | fontenot | TomW: x server binary is: |
| 09:54:33 | fontenot | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 770132 Mar 27 2002 Xfbdev |
| 09:54:52 | TomW | fontenot: Thats reasonable! |
| 09:55:03 | fontenot | remember the file system also compresses it |
| 09:55:28 | TomW | AHH! Ok! you are using the Frame Buffer style of the server. |
| 09:55:52 | fontenot | yes |
| 09:56:17 | fontenot | the server actually takes up about 409974 bytes of the tux's flash |
| 09:56:20 | TomW | What window manager are you using to wrap X with? FVWM? |
| 09:56:40 | fontenot | i arrived at that figure with gzip -3 which is essentially what jffs2 does |
| 09:56:52 | fontenot | I am currently using flwm - based on fltk |
| 09:57:09 | fontenot | but have built several others in the past - some as small as 40kB in size |
| 09:57:23 | fontenot | there are some tiny wm's out there |
| 09:57:44 | fontenot | fvwm would probably not be my choice :-) |
| 09:57:51 | fontenot | fvwm |
| 09:58:07 | fontenot | the old one is too old and the new one is too big |
| 09:58:23 | fontenot | i used fvwm v1 for years |
| 09:58:30 | TomW | would be nice if KDE was smaller. |
| 09:58:39 | TomW | smokes more crack. |
| 09:58:48 | fontenot | heh I think that's going to be waaay too big |
| 09:58:55 | fontenot | it barely fits on an ipaq |
| 09:59:08 | fontenot | with a 1GB microdrive |
| 09:59:21 | TomW | Thanks, I'll take a look at flwm. |
| 10:01:07 | fontenot | TomW: flwm is not that small - it's what I use on my desktop |
| 10:01:14 | fontenot | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 61920 Mar 27 2002 flwm |
| 10:01:22 | fontenot | that's the binary BUT you also need libfltk |
| 10:01:42 | fontenot | TomW: let me find the ones I was playing with a few months ago |
| 10:02:10 | fontenot | look at swm for example |
| 10:03:24 | TomW | crap. I screwed my pcmcia stuff up somehow... |
| 10:03:25 | fontenot | http://www.informatik.hu-berlin.de/~sp |
| 10:04:32 | TomW | bad URL reference |
| 10:04:48 | LoneTech | is back (gone 01:43:44) |
| 10:05:19 | fontenot | wtf? |
| 10:05:22 | fontenot | i was just there |
| 10:05:58 | LoneTech | the page is not |
| 10:06:04 | TomW | http://www.small-window-manager.de/ |
| 10:06:14 | fontenot | http://www.informatik.hu-berlin.de/~sperling/prog/swm.html |
| 10:06:22 | fontenot | got truncated somehow |
| 10:07:12 | fontenot | aewm aewm++ alloywm |
| 10:07:17 | fontenot | there are lots of tiny wm's |
| 10:07:39 | TomW | ... my journey begins.. |
| 10:07:47 | LoneTech | what about 9wm and ratpoison? |
| 10:08:33 | TomW | sounds like 9MM & RatPoison.. ;-) |
| 10:08:51 | TomW | deadly wm. |
| 10:09:05 | fontenot | LoneTech: those too |
| 10:09:08 | LoneTech | they're two windowmanagers. |
| 10:09:16 | TomW | stretches & yawns. |
| 10:09:18 | LoneTech | ratpoison may be the only one with no mouse support |
| 10:10:13 | LoneTech | I like ion, but personally use pwm. flwm is probably the nicest I know for small screens but fltk and c++ may make it way too large. |
| 10:10:26 | TomW | huh? pcmcia started working again. I must have a 5 volt card. |
| 10:10:31 | TomW | shrugs. |
| 10:10:46 | fontenot | LoneTech: I have fltk and flwm on my tux right now |
| 10:11:16 | fontenot | http://intimate.handhelds.org/jacques/tuxa3.png |
| 10:11:36 | TomW | any possibilty of running Mozilla on the flwm? |
| 10:12:10 | TomW | or, is uClibc not yet there to support Mozilla? |
| 10:12:18 | LoneTech | no problem, but mozilla is huge and slow |
| 10:12:38 | fontenot | not sure if anyone has tried building mozilla since threads were added to uclibc |
| 10:12:45 | fontenot | that was the holdup before |
| 10:12:47 | LoneTech | dunno about its uclibc compatibility.. I understand the last two releases mostly fixed pthreads |
| 10:13:01 | fontenot | but I think it would want way too much ram |
| 10:13:29 | fontenot | and cpu |
| 10:13:59 | fontenot | want there a microzilla project? |
| 10:14:54 | fontenot | wasn't |
| 10:15:28 | fontenot | tired and brain-dead |
| 10:15:33 | fontenot | gonna watch some tivo |
| 10:15:52 | TomW | I need sleep. CUL |
| 12:01:56 | scanline | is away: ZzZz |
| 14:34:22 | LoneTech | just got into sboot (: |
| 14:34:35 | LoneTech | I'm not "non-authorized personnel", am I? |
| 14:35:42 | LoneTech | hello sammy_wms |
| 14:36:03 | sammy_wms | hi LoneTech |
| 14:37:02 | LoneTech | I'm going to try to unlock the flash in my tuxscreen |
| 14:37:14 | LoneTech | have a switch with 12v connected |
| 14:37:24 | LoneTech | and just got sboot on the console. downloading inferno for linux. |
| 14:51:57 | LoneTech | the linux inferno thing just says "<sending reset>" |
| 14:55:57 | LoneTech | please help... |
| 14:56:03 | LoneTech | rdp 0.17 (port=/dev/eia0, bps=115200) |
| 14:56:03 | LoneTech | <sending reset> |
| 14:56:10 | LoneTech | it does not seem to have a serial port open |
| 14:58:09 | LoneTech | hm.. it does, but opened from a different thread.. |
| 14:59:22 | LoneTech | but it doesn't do anything :( |
| 15:04:25 | CosmicPenguin | Good morning |
| 15:07:06 | LoneTech | hello CosmicPenguin |
| 15:07:33 | LoneTech | I can't get InfernoRemote to work, and trying to unlock the flash gives "?<undefined error>" |
| 15:07:59 | LoneTech | can you help me? |
| 15:09:29 | LoneTech | anyone? |
| 15:09:43 | LoneTech | the protection flags have gone from f to 3 |
| 15:10:52 | LoneTech | prpplague: can you give me some help? |
| 15:11:00 | LoneTech | I have two problems |
| 15:11:21 | LoneTech | 1: InfernoRemote says "<sending reset>" and just falls asleep, never connects |
| 15:12:03 | LoneTech | 2: trying to unprotect the flash with "P/u 0" I get "?<undefined error>".. all the prot flags that were f are now 3, and stay there |
| 15:13:29 | | Howdy Bub |
| 15:13:29 | LoneTech | hello? |
| 15:13:35 | LoneTech | sighs |
| 15:24:32 | | bzflag was last seen on #bzflag 12 hours, 7 minutes and 16 seconds ago, saying: later [Thu Mar 28 03:17:16 2002] |
| 15:24:32 | LoneTech | seen bzflag? |
| 15:36:27 | LoneTech | hello sjhill |
| 15:36:47 | sjhill | LoneTech: uh...hi |
| 15:37:08 | LoneTech | I'm trying to get linux installed on my tuxscreen |
| 15:37:21 | LoneTech | but I got stuck in two places |
| 15:37:27 | sjhill | i don't have a tuxscreen |
| 15:37:33 | LoneTech | oh :( |
| 15:37:38 | sjhill | sorry |
| 16:33:43 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: have you much experience with fltk ? |
| 16:47:14 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: much |
| 16:48:22 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: is it any good ? |
| 16:48:29 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: in terms of functionality |
| 16:48:37 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: it is actually quite good |
| 16:48:49 | CosmicPenguin | it is easy to use, and it uses C++ in a way that makes it pretty powerful |
| 16:48:56 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: Im sick of gtk, too badly documented |
| 16:49:18 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: Im thinking of porting fltk to C ? |
| 16:49:30 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: is that completely stupid ? |
| 16:49:33 | CosmicPenguin | You are restricted somewhat by the event interface, since it is designed for the button / text input / etc crowd |
| 16:50:02 | CosmicPenguin | So more interactive stuff like a canvas or a IDE is a bit more difficult |
| 16:50:19 | CosmicPenguin | but all in all, its nice stuff.... All of our GUI stuff (ViewML, Pixil, etc..) is FLTK based |
| 16:50:38 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: you would lose much of the FLTK power in C...... I wonder if it would be as useful |
| 16:51:52 | mallum | hmmm, yeah |
| 16:52:09 | mallum | it looks like it uses objects in a pretty simple way though ? |
| 16:52:25 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: yep... I like it alot, and I am speaking as somebody who really dislikes C++ |
| 17:36:01 | CosmicPenguin | Utility of the century: |
| 17:36:02 | CosmicPenguin | http://www.caliban.org/bash/index.shtml#completion |
| 18:24:29 | CosmicPenguin | Why is the Ipaq Tiny-X source so hard to find? |
| 18:26:06 | andersee | dunno |
| 18:26:28 | kergoth | does busybox have ping or inetd? |
| 18:26:36 | andersee | yes and no |
| 18:26:43 | kergoth | andersee: thanks |
| 18:27:02 | CosmicPenguin | Found it... |
| 18:27:09 | CosmicPenguin | Turns out that it lives in the X CVS... :) |
| 18:27:14 | andersee | kergoth: I do have an inetd patch for it though, that I've not tried... |
| 18:27:44 | kergoth | andersee: i think i'll stick with netkit-base's inetd for the moment :-) |
| 18:28:32 | andersee | sure |
| 18:28:53 | | Howdy Bub |
| 18:28:53 | LoneTech | hello? |
| 18:29:22 | LoneTech | I've been trying to follow the linux installation instructions, but failed on two points |
| 18:29:35 | LoneTech | 1) inferno's remote thingie doesn't seem to connect |
| 18:29:58 | LoneTech | 2) no matter how many times I try it seems the flash locks only go down to 3 not 0 |
| 18:30:08 | LoneTech | any ideas? |
| 18:30:10 | LoneTech | please |
| 18:46:24 | LoneTech | sighs |
| 19:00:57 | Russ | god, I can't resolve google.com |
| 19:01:13 | RedBeard | LoneTech: BZFlag helped me with that |
| 19:01:20 | Russ | one half of my reachable internet is totally dead |
| 19:01:33 | Russ | the other half, I can route halfway there |
| 19:02:13 | Russ | I'm on IRC because the Internet2 links are still up, so I can reach irc.nl.linux.org |
| 19:02:32 | Russ | anyone know any other login.oscar.aol.com servers? |
| 19:03:10 | Russ | ok, some stuff is back |
| 19:05:34 | LoneTech | RedBeard: remember anything I can try? |
| 19:05:42 | | bzflag was last seen on #bzflag 15 hours, 48 minutes and 26 seconds ago, saying: later [Thu Mar 28 03:17:16 2002] |
| 19:05:42 | LoneTech | ibot: seen bzflag |
| 19:06:36 | LoneTech | maybe I should have ordered the unlocking service :( |
| 19:27:42 | RedBeard | LoneTech: um... try unlocking a second/third time |
| 19:28:15 | LoneTech | well, I've tried something around 50 times, I think. |
| 19:28:21 | RedBeard | oh |
| 19:28:23 | LoneTech | it stays at 3 |
| 19:28:31 | RedBeard | I don't know what to suggest then |
| 19:28:34 | RedBeard | sorry |
| 19:28:36 | LoneTech | relocking changes the first to f. |
| 19:32:48 | LoneTech | thanks anyway |
| 19:38:05 | Russ | you measure you supply and make sure its 12V |
| 19:41:32 | LoneTech | it's from the same ATX supply that drives the tuxscreen.. I'll check it |
| 19:43:08 | LoneTech | 12.01-12.03 on my instrument |
| 19:53:53 | Russ | LoneTech: you have the 12V applied while you are doing the unlock? |
| 19:55:05 | LoneTech | yes. if I don't, it waits 10 seconds for me to do so. |
| 20:21:29 | LoneTech | I have to sleep.. will be back |
| 20:25:03 | scanline | is back (gone 08:23:07) |
| 20:25:39 | prpplague | anyone here using dillo? |
| 20:31:36 | Russ | hmm...speedy |
| 20:33:08 | Russ | a few problems. but pretty good |
| 22:00:20 | | andersee was last seen on #tuxscreen 3 hours, 31 minutes and 48 seconds ago, saying: sure [Thu Mar 28 18:28:32 2002] |
| 22:00:20 | TomW | ibot: seen andersee |
| 22:00:57 | andersee | TomW: I'm around |
| 22:01:50 | TomW | andersee: Just a note about a buildroot anomoly. when you do a 'make clean' then a make, the pcmcia stuff doesn't configure correctly. I found that if I deleted config.out then all went well witht the make. |
| 22:02:19 | TomW | andersee: (deleted pcmcia*/config.out) |
| 22:03:17 | TomW | andersee: BTW. Good morning! :-) |
| 22:03:31 | andersee | moring. ;-) |
| 22:04:05 | TomW | andersee: my major acheivement last night was to finally get nano-X working. slugfest. |
| 22:04:06 | andersee | Cept it is 3pm here |
| 22:04:23 | andersee | Hmm. |
| 22:04:31 | TomW | it all depends on whether you have had lunch yet. I got up at 2PM EST. |
| 22:04:32 | andersee | I thought I'd fixed the pcmcia problem |
| 22:04:53 | andersee | I got up at 11am MST |
| 22:05:07 | TomW | A make clean would send pcmcia into asking you for the location of the kernel, etc. |
| 22:05:23 | andersee | Hmmm |
| 22:05:32 | andersee | Done a 'cvs up |
| 22:05:38 | andersee | ' on buildroot recently? |
| 22:05:50 | TomW | yesterday. |
| 22:06:44 | TomW | actually : Mar 28 6:00AM |
| 22:07:27 | TomW | double checking it again. |
| 22:09:42 | Morn | is back (gone 128:17:03) |
| 22:10:02 | TomW | yup. a make clean will force the pcmcia configure script to requery for the settings. |
| 22:13:29 | andersee | K. Guess I should teach it to behave itself |
| 22:14:10 | TomW | clean: $(TARGETS_CLEAN) |
| 22:14:10 | TomW | rm -rf $(TARGET_DIR) $(STAGING_DIR) $(IMAGE) |
| 22:14:11 | TomW | @$(MAKE) -C $(PCMCIA_DIR) realclean |
| 22:14:46 | TomW | make the call within the buildroot Makefile to do a 'realclean' within the PCMCIA_DIR and then config.out gets removed. |
| 22:16:35 | andersee | k. Do a cvs up Makefile and try it now |
| 22:19:45 | TomW | I deleted the Makefile, then cvs up Makefile. It is running now, will advise in a few. |
| 22:20:30 | andersee | k |
| 22:22:05 | TomW | it works. Why the 'touch' to configure? |
| 22:22:31 | TomW | s/configure/configured/ |
| 22:23:10 | andersee | Just a fake file to get the dependancy sequence correct |
| 22:25:06 | TomW | ah, I see. This way it won't rerun the Configure from within your buildroot Makefile. tnx es happy hacking. |
| 22:49:41 | scanline | is away: standing in the wet room |
| 23:04:19 | TomW | andersee: odd, that touch .configure doesn't work now. |
| 23:06:10 | andersee | I dunno. Works for me. |
| 23:06:43 | andersee | You did a 'make clean'? |
| 23:06:45 | TomW | andersee: I will look into it and see if I can get a fix for it. It works once, then next time you do a make clean, it bombs. Let me check it out and report back to you later. |
| 23:10:18 | andersee | TomW: ok, 'cvs up' and try again |
| 23:12:29 | TomW | ok. in a bit. |
| 23:12:36 | TomW | is away: lunch |
| 23:13:00 | andersee | Basically, the pcmcia-clean target needed a 'rm -f $(PCMCIA_DIR)/.configured $(PCMCIA_DIR)/config.out' |
| 23:15:29 | scanline | is back (gone 00:25:49) |
| 23:15:40 | scanline | is away: hmm.. who knows where |
| 23:32:32 | TomW | is back (gone 00:19:56) |
| 23:33:47 | jacques | hi lo |
| 23:46:20 | RedBeard | hi jacques |
| 23:46:48 | RedBeard | how do you get new options to show up in menuconfig, after patching the kernel source? |
| 23:51:09 | BZFlag | andersee: why not config.out? |
| 23:52:21 | BZFlag | buildroot needs an rshd or telnetd or ....d so you can get into the box. smaller the better. thoughts? |
| 23:52:43 | BZFlag | preferably something that does not need ncurses etc. |
| 23:52:50 | andersee | That works too, but this is more generic so the concept applies easily to other packages |
| 23:52:56 | BZFlag | RedBeard: make oldconfig ? |
| 23:53:11 | andersee | BZFlag: I have some patches hanging around for telnetd I need to test |
| 23:53:12 | RedBeard | BZFlag: I tried that1 |
| 23:53:23 | BZFlag | RedBeard: hmm... |
| 23:53:33 | RedBeard | perhaps I'm looking for something that just isn't there |
| 23:53:36 | RedBeard | *shrug* |
| 23:55:32 | BZFlag | andersee: rexecd is the smallest I can find. hmm.. /me wonders what term handling would look like through that. |
| 23:57:34 | RedBeard | I found the options I was looking for, when I looked in the right place |
| 23:58:53 | BZFlag | RedBeard: heh, that helps huh? |
| 23:59:48 | RedBeard | yeah, the iptables options are a submenu, off the network options page, and they're below the fold, from where where iptables is enabled.... poor layout, and I didn't look hard enough |
