| 00:12:51 | scanline | is away: brb, video game break... |
| 00:28:10 | CosmicPenguin | is away: Home! |
| 00:36:20 | davide | sorry |
| 00:36:40 | davide | new to irc trying to piddle around/have pity on poor soul |
| 00:37:53 | jacques | uh |
| 00:38:01 | jacques | how/why did you change the topic? |
| 00:40:56 | jacques | i didnt think non-admins could change the topic |
| 00:41:39 | RedBeard | I dont' have the old topic in my scroll back... |
| 00:41:47 | jacques | not sure I do - chaeking |
| 00:42:39 | RedBeard | that's better, but not what it should be |
| 00:42:46 | | http://ipaq.secret.org.uk/~timr |
| 00:42:46 | sjm | ibot: logs |
| 00:42:58 | RedBeard | gotta go eat |
| 00:49:46 | sjm | ? |
| 00:53:54 | jacques | andersee where art thou? |
| 00:54:26 | | i haven't a clue, jacques |
| 00:54:26 | jacques | ibot: where art andersee? |
| 00:54:30 | jacques | bah |
| 01:01:16 | jacques | sjm: ah cool |
| 01:34:41 | RedBeard | has anyone built pppoe for the tuxscreen? |
| 01:35:14 | RedBeard | hopes this isn't an obviously stupid question... |
| 01:36:26 | Aelhaz | why on earth would you need it? |
| 01:36:52 | Aelhaz | I ask because uswest's dsl framework is pppoatm |
| 01:37:12 | jacques | sbc dsl maybe ? |
| 01:38:25 | Aelhaz | qworst is the monopoly out here |
| 01:39:33 | jacques | and pachell is the one here |
| 01:40:28 | | andersee was last seen on #tuxscreen 3 hours, 42 minutes and 10 seconds ago, saying: yup [Mon Mar 25 21:58:18 2002] |
| 01:40:28 | jacques | ibot: seen andersee |
| 01:48:06 | RedBeard | aparently it was an obviously stupid question |
| 01:48:12 | RedBeard | I politely withdraw it |
| 01:49:03 | RedBeard | I remember some discussion about putting the cisco into bridging mode and going pppoe between the firewall (tuxscreen) and xmission |
| 01:49:25 | RedBeard | I guess it doesn't make sense to do that |
| 01:49:30 | RedBeard | *shrug* |
| 01:50:50 | jacques | well I could use pppoe to talk to pacbell dsl through the modem |
| 01:50:59 | jacques | im sure someone will have a use for it |
| 01:51:21 | jacques | i used pppoe on a linux box until i got my linksys router |
| 01:52:46 | RedBeard | I realy am asking from a position of ignorance, so I don't know if it's worth while or not |
| 01:53:30 | jacques | well nonetheless, I dont consider it a stupid question |
| 01:54:32 | Aelhaz | RedBeard: Yeah, it would work, except qworst in utah uses pppoatm and not pppoe |
| 01:56:38 | BZFlag | RedBeard: it would be nice, but xmission does not support pppoe and the cisco is so braindead is can unpack ppp over atm and repack as ppp over ethernet. |
| 01:57:22 | BZFlag | so xmission would have to do ppp over ethernet over ppp over atm. |
| 01:57:35 | BZFlag | in order to get what we'd like. ugh. |
| 01:58:27 | BZFlag | the other choice is for xmission to do ether over atm and have the cisco in briding mode. |
| 01:59:04 | BZFlag | unfortunately, that means a different endpoint config at xmission for each dsl customer. (ugh) |
| 01:59:25 | BZFlag | so warren (the dsl guy at xmission) does not want to offer that. |
| 02:00:13 | Aelhaz | you can pay another $5/mo to get a subnet from xmission |
| 02:00:20 | Aelhaz | and then route through the cisco 675 |
| 02:00:28 | Aelhaz | instead of firewalling at it |
| 02:00:54 | scanline | is back (gone 01:48:02) |
| 02:01:44 | jacques | hmmm uClibc does not support swab ? |
| 02:01:58 | Russ|werk | I have an idea |
| 02:02:07 | Russ|werk | why not do straight ethernet for gods sake |
| 02:02:12 | Russ|werk | jacques: swab? |
| 02:02:21 | Aelhaz | Russ: requires new physical layer for the last mile solution |
| 02:02:32 | Russ|werk | Aelhaz: no it doesn't |
| 02:02:34 | Aelhaz | Russ: it's been tried, used to work at a company that did it |
| 02:02:42 | Aelhaz | in what sense does it not? |
| 02:02:45 | Russ|werk | Aelhaz: its the way DSL was done originally |
| 02:02:56 | Russ|werk | if you can do ppp over ethernet |
| 02:03:04 | Russ|werk | why not drop the "ppp over" part |
| 02:03:44 | Aelhaz | oh, and just bridge 802.3 over the dsl. it can be done, but it requires colocated equipment with the telco |
| 02:03:59 | Aelhaz | at least, that's the answer i got when xmission dropped bridging |
| 02:04:17 | Russ|werk | Aelhaz: I think they just want pppoe/pppoatm because it offers more authentication |
| 02:04:27 | Russ|werk | and its what everyone else is doing (TM) |
| 02:05:01 | Aelhaz | *shrug* |
| 02:05:10 | Aelhaz | xmission used to do bridging dsl exclusively |
| 02:05:30 | Aelhaz | they dropped it, and blamed that on it requiring an undesirable and expensive relationship with qworst |
| 02:06:08 | Russ|werk | cable companies get along just fine with not using it |
| 02:06:11 | Russ|werk | more or less |
| 02:06:29 | Aelhaz | they controll the whole connection tho |
| 02:06:42 | Russ|werk | just something that annoys me |
| 02:06:51 | RedBeard | hmm, well, it doesn't make any sense for my configuration then |
| 02:07:01 | Russ|werk | along with the MTU issue |
| 02:07:17 | Aelhaz | mtu issue? |
| 02:07:28 | jacques | Russ|werk: swab - swap adjacent bytes |
| 02:07:56 | Russ|werk | right...hmm |
| 02:08:18 | Aelhaz | BZFlag: Do you know if anyone ever got custom images on nettels? I have to figure out how to get a proxying identd onto one |
| 02:08:34 | Russ|werk | Aelhaz: because of the encapsulation, all machines behind the router need to lower their MTU to 1492 |
| 02:08:48 | Aelhaz | ah |
| 02:08:57 | Russ|werk | or you need to put a machine between the router that does refragmentation |
| 02:10:35 | Russ|werk | jacques: did you try the varients? |
| 02:10:44 | Russ|werk | swab16, swab32, swab64? |
| 02:11:54 | jacques | Russ|werk: nah I was just looking at which X programs dd not build and why and that was one error |
| 02:12:06 | jacques | Russ|werk: but it is not something I need |
| 02:12:22 | jacques | I just built tinyX with andersee's new toolchain |
| 02:12:32 | Russ|werk | ok, I don't see swab anywhere, but its easy to make such a function |
| 02:13:33 | SpaceCoaster | Anyone noticed the man page for memfrob(3)? |
| 02:13:37 | BZFlag | Aelhaz: I hacked some up, but I don't have anything around at present. |
| 02:14:02 | BZFlag | I just grabbed a tarball from the ftp site, hack in what I needed and let it build be a deply image. |
| 02:14:07 | jacques | xfwp - X firewall proxy |
| 02:14:15 | Russ|werk | SpaceCoaster: heheh |
| 02:14:15 | jacques | that's what wants swab - doesn;t look too important |
| 02:14:23 | Aelhaz | BZFlag: I think i may have downloaded that to my notebook before we sent bobgear packing |
| 02:14:49 | Aelhaz | basically i need to add oidentd to the image |
| 02:14:59 | Russ|werk | jacques: did you look at the swab man page? |
| 02:15:57 | jacques | Russ|werk: just glanced at it |
| 02:16:34 | Russ|werk | jacques: it would be easy to make a less then perfect implementation and submit it to andersee |
| 02:16:40 | Russ|werk | or grab the one from glibc |
| 02:18:22 | jacques | Russ|werk: well if I wanted to fix non-compiling X programs there are others I would want to work on first |
| 02:19:34 | Russ|werk | ok, if its not important to you, buts its a problem, just submit it in bugs.busybox.net so it doesn't get forgotten |
| 02:20:37 | jacques | ok |
| 02:21:07 | Russ|werk | away |
| 04:12:05 | izod | do I actually need a jtag dongle to get a tuxscreen up and running linux? |
| 04:12:30 | RedBeard | izod: no, but if you want one I'll sell you one for $20 |
| 04:13:24 | RedBeard | izod: http://tuxscreen.net/wiki/view/Users/InstallingLinux |
| 04:13:59 | izod | thanks. I'll look there, and attempt to not further embarrass my tuxscreen-newbie-self :) |
| 04:14:01 | RedBeard | that tells you how to do it with InfernoRemote |
| 04:14:08 | Aelhaz | izod: you have one? |
| 04:14:12 | RedBeard | is also a newbie |
| 04:14:36 | RedBeard | I'm trying to figure out the whole xcompile thing |
| 04:15:05 | Aelhaz | RedBeard: Sometimes, "./configure --host=linux-arm" will work |
| 04:15:23 | izod | don't have one yet |
| 04:15:25 | Aelhaz | sometimes, 'make "CC=arm-uclibc-gcc"' will work, assuming that's in your path |
| 04:15:38 | RedBeard | Aelhaz: okay |
| 04:15:57 | Aelhaz | sometimes, you have to edit makefiles, etc |
| 04:16:06 | Aelhaz | replace ld with arm-linux-ld, etc |
| 04:16:11 | Aelhaz | sometimes, it's a Big Mess |
| 04:16:28 | Aelhaz | there's the option of the skiff cluster, i'm not sure how compiling against uclibc works on there these days |
| 04:16:30 | izod | just looking at getting one. have one of the compaq ipaq/msn messenger boxes that i hacked... saw these and thought they were pretty cool too |
| 04:16:34 | RedBeard | yeah, so it's a case by case situation |
| 04:16:38 | Aelhaz | you'd have to compile uclibc and then compile stuff against it |
| 04:16:51 | Aelhaz | but the skiff cluster at least gives you an arm box to work on |
| 04:17:14 | Aelhaz | izod: yeah, similar, but neater :) |
| 04:18:09 | Aelhaz | RedBeard: sometimes you have to edit the configure script and remove tests that just won't work |
| 04:18:18 | Aelhaz | like trying to compile something and then execute it |
| 04:18:22 | izod | Aelhaz: yeah. seems much cooler |
| 04:19:38 | RedBeard | okay, once I've got something compiled, how do I get it into an image? |
| 04:19:57 | Aelhaz | you can use zmodem over the serial port |
| 04:19:57 | RedBeard | I've been digging around on the wiki, but haven't found this question answered yet |
| 04:20:04 | Aelhaz | or nfs |
| 04:20:10 | Aelhaz | you have to use -o nolock when mounting nfs |
| 04:20:35 | Aelhaz | to use zmodem, type "rz" in the serial console and then upload as you would to a bbs |
| 04:21:07 | jacques | or look at the buildroot-tux makefile |
| 04:21:11 | jacques | and see how it does it |
| 04:21:20 | jacques | if you really want to make an image |
| 04:21:26 | RedBeard | jacques: doh! I should have thought of that |
| 04:21:28 | Aelhaz | jacques: or just add stuff to the skeleton image |
| 04:21:42 | jacques | Aelhaz is right - xcompiling can be a total pain |
| 04:21:45 | RedBeard | okay, back on my head |
| 04:21:50 | Aelhaz | jacques: and sometimes it just works |
| 04:21:51 | jacques | that's why I started compiling stuff on my ipaq |
| 04:22:00 | jacques | Aelhaz: true |
| 04:22:06 | RedBeard | wonders about using his z for that |
| 04:22:17 | jacques | some things xcompile well - kernel, xfree |
| 04:22:32 | jacques | some things try to get too clever with configure |
| 04:22:40 | RedBeard | things that have had time to get the kinks worked out of xcompiling |
| 04:22:47 | jacques | yeah |
| 04:22:59 | Aelhaz | jacques: boa was a cakewalk, so was oidentd |
| 04:23:02 | jacques | exactly - a lot of things have never been xcompiled :-) |
| 04:23:11 | Aelhaz | came out at 80k and 40k respectively |
| 04:23:17 | Aelhaz | openssl was a bear |
| 04:23:25 | Aelhaz | openssh is still pointing at me and laughing |
| 04:23:26 | jacques | i just xcompiled fltk using the new g++ toolchain :-D |
| 04:23:35 | Aelhaz | most of the stuff lsh depends on is too |
| 04:24:29 | jacques | now to find a few more g++ things to try |
| 04:24:34 | jacques | C++ I meant |
| 04:24:37 | Aelhaz | zlib required i jump through some hoops |
| 04:26:06 | jacques | yeah I remember zlib was a pain |
| 04:28:46 | Aelhaz | i should attempt to use the skiff cluster to build ssh stuff |
| 04:28:54 | Aelhaz | jacques: I just lied, really |
| 04:29:07 | Aelhaz | edited the makefile after running configure |
| 04:29:09 | Aelhaz | i think |
| 04:29:12 | Aelhaz | it wasn't tough |
| 04:29:47 | RedBeard | so zlib would need the configure script re-writen/patched? |
| 04:30:03 | RedBeard | nm, I know the answer |
| 04:31:05 | Aelhaz | RedBeard: I think the configure script gave me some crap, when i tried with --host and when i tried with "CC=arm-uclibc-gcc" in the environment, so i ran it as though it were a native compile and then removed the archetecture specific bits from the makefile and switched out the variables |
| 04:38:15 | Aelhaz | RedBeard: anyway, the only thing different here from most xcompiling is that you want to use the arm-uclibc-gcc wrapper around arm-linux-gcc 'cause we're building against uclibc and not glibc |
| 04:38:31 | Aelhaz | so the directory within buildroot that includes that needs to be included |
| 04:38:37 | Aelhaz | in your pat |
| 04:38:38 | Aelhaz | h |
| 04:39:06 | RedBeard | Aelhaz: okay, I think I've gtot it |
| 04:39:09 | RedBeard | got |
| 04:56:47 | sjm | jacques: Have you tried any fltk apps? |
| 04:58:40 | jacques | not yet |
| 04:58:59 | jacques | i am going to try flwm |
| 04:59:07 | jacques | got any other suggestions? |
| 04:59:10 | sjm | jacques: okay, post some screenshots :) |
| 04:59:26 | jacques | sjm: I will if it works :-) |
| 05:23:15 | TomW | anyone know where to get snapshots of microwindows? I tried www.alexholden.net/mw/, but all the tarballs I download have gzip errors in them. |
| 05:25:56 | jacques | they sure do |
| 05:25:58 | jacques | :-\ |
| 05:26:35 | TomW | I even tried lynx, figuring that some plugin of Netscape was messing with *.gz stuff. No good. |
| 05:27:06 | jacques | it's a very slow site too |
| 05:27:14 | TomW | well... I will just have to get Erik's latest buildroot and let it fly. |
| 05:27:15 | jacques | im only getting 30kB/s |
| 05:27:30 | TomW | Not slow, I was getting 100KB download off it. |
| 05:27:43 | TomW | ... from lynx. |
| 05:28:01 | jacques | hmm |
| 05:28:04 | jacques | I'm on a t1 |
| 05:28:10 | jacques | are you in the UK? |
| 05:28:25 | TomW | cable modem here, in the U.S. (Pennsylvania). |
| 05:28:42 | jacques | then i dont know what the problem is |
| 05:28:53 | TomW | CIR? |
| 05:28:58 | jacques | ? |
| 05:29:48 | TomW | what is it, Continuous Information Rate. The rate at which your provider guarentees the minimum data flow through a conection. |
| 05:30:17 | jacques | I usually get 160kB/s dwnload |
| 05:30:22 | sjm | TomW: www.linuxhacker.org/mw |
| 05:30:26 | TomW | some providers have CIR's of 16KB, or even 0KB (no minimum information rate guarentee. |
| 05:30:32 | jacques | except for sites that throttle like sourcescourge, and slow sites |
| 05:31:39 | TomW | sjm: thanks, that tarball is ok! |
| 05:32:24 | sjm | TomW: That's what I'm using at the moment - touchscreen works too. |
| 05:32:27 | TomW | jacques: no place is guarenteed anymore... bottlenecks everywhere. |
| 05:32:38 | TomW | sjm: which kernel? |
| 05:32:53 | | you are using kernel-2.4.17-rmk5-aph with the buildroot from CVS and microwin-aph-11feb2002 |
| 05:32:53 | sjm | ibot: sjm |
| 05:33:01 | sjm | smiles |
| 05:33:15 | TomW | ? |
| 05:33:20 | jacques | -aph ? |
| 05:33:21 | | rumour has it tomw is loading your new kernel. I have a Lexar 16Meg that I will reformat on your notebook and try that out. Once I get the new kernel running, I will order two more of these units. I have plans |
| 05:33:21 | TomW | ibot: tomw |
| 05:33:34 | | hmmm... jacques is a crazy finn |
| 05:33:34 | jacques | ibot: jacques |
| 05:33:41 | | jacques: I forgot jacques |
| 05:33:41 | jacques | ibot: forget jacques |
| 05:33:45 | TomW | hahahahah! |
| 05:33:46 | sjm | TomW: Alex released a kernel patch with touchscreen support. |
| 05:33:52 | RedBeard | have any of you xcompiled iptables? |
| 05:33:56 | RedBeard | what did it take? |
| 05:34:19 | jacques | RedBeard: I havent tried |
| 05:34:34 | jacques | sjm: kernel patch for ts support? sounds interesting |
| 05:35:36 | sjm | jacques: Hmm... Was a while ago now, there was a posting on the mailing list about it. |
| 05:38:19 | sjm | jacques: It's pretty cool. It provides 3D support! x,y plus pressure. If you're drawing a line, the harder you press, the thicker the line. |
| 05:38:33 | TomW | i, the new Microwindows ucb1200 touchscreen driver exposed a bug in the |
| 05:38:33 | TomW | 2.4.16 kernel, so I ported the shannon patch forward to the latest |
| 05:38:34 | TomW | 2.4.17-rmk. It also includes the fix for 3c589-cs ethernet cards. I now |
| 05:38:34 | TomW | have Microwindows, a compact flash card, and my 3c589 ethernet all |
| 05:38:34 | TomW | running happily together. |
| 05:38:47 | jacques | sjm: wow! |
| 05:39:02 | TomW | Alex's post on Feb 6. |
| 05:39:11 | jacques | pressure - cooooool |
| 05:45:12 | jacques | wow i wonder how to get x to use tht driver |
| 05:45:17 | jacques | i want pressure under x |
| 05:46:49 | sjm | jacques: The driver is very easy to understand: microwin-aph/src/drivers/mou_ucb1x00.c |
| 05:50:58 | jacques | well whadayaknow |
| 05:51:03 | jacques | my dsl came back |
| 05:51:25 | jacques | anyone know if ranlib is architecture dependent? |
| 05:51:30 | jacques | I cant remember |
| 06:03:40 | RedBeard | well, I get the same error attempting to compile native iptables, as I get trying to xcompile iptables |
| 06:04:00 | RedBeard | I'll leave that for another day |
| 06:04:06 | RedBeard | g'nite |
| 06:13:22 | Russ | TomW: http://russ.dhs.org/files/tuxpatches/ (2.4.18-rmk2-tux1) |
| 06:14:46 | TomW | Russ: ok. I was going to use 2.4.17-rmk5-aph + a microwindows snapshot fiest, just to get things working. |
| 06:15:15 | Russ | TomW: if you need a newer kernel, let me know, I have everything in CVS here |
| 06:15:33 | Russ | or if you want to submit patches, let me know |
| 06:15:42 | TomW | Russ: does the 2.4.18 have Alex's touchscreen corrections in it from 2.4.17-rmk5-aph? |
| 06:15:55 | Russ | dunno, what file would that be in |
| 06:16:40 | Russ | ucb1x00-ts doesn't have a cvs tag in it |
| 06:17:31 | TomW | Russ: I will have to see. His patch is against 2.4.17 standard release. So, I will have to apply the rmk5 patch to one source tree, then make another sourcetree using his patch, then diff the two so I can incorporate his touchscreen patch into a 2.4.18 kernel. |
| 06:18:56 | Russ | ick |
| 06:19:09 | Russ | maybe if you just have the resultant ucb1x00-ts.c file? |
| 06:19:18 | TomW | a bit messy, but only means a bit more work to isolate his patch. I am determined to get a GUI together here. I have 3 tuxes, two still together, one cannabalized. Then, I have two more coming. |
| 06:19:19 | Russ | it probably only touches one file |
| 06:19:42 | Russ | do you have the diff? |
| 06:23:15 | TomW | his diff was a full diff against the kernel.org 2.4.17 and a modified version of 2.4.17-rmk5. His patch encompasses 417 files.. |
| 06:23:32 | TomW | I need to narrow that down? :-D |
| 06:23:50 | TomW | just a wee bit... |
| 06:23:55 | Russ | maybe if you just look at the hunks in /drivers/misc/ |
| 06:24:12 | TomW | ... never assume. |
| 06:24:33 | Russ | if it touches anything else, its trouble |
| 06:25:06 | Russ | what does the touchscreen patch do? |
| 06:25:18 | TomW | roger, unless RMK blesses it? |
| 06:25:56 | TomW | dunno, I have yet to get the touchscreen working, I have not spent a lot of time on the Tux & it's software for the GUI. |
| 06:26:22 | Russ | can I see the patch? and maybe where the patch came from? |
| 06:27:07 | TomW | He sent that patch attached to a Feb 6th email on the TuxScreen mailing list. |
| 06:27:10 | jacques | heading home - will be on from there |
| 06:28:03 | Russ | ok, so its just basically a 2.4.17-rmk5 merge and a 3c589-cs fix |
| 06:28:03 | TomW | I can sent it too you. |
| 06:29:37 | TomW | perhaps. He did say that there was a bug in the 2.4.16 kernel when used with the touchscreen driver, so it may be stock stuff. I am looking into it. That is why I am going to use his 2.4.17 patches, then when the touchscreen + GUI are working, I will switch to the distro 2.4.18 in buildroot. |
| 06:31:01 | TomW | hmmm.. I will have to start pruning that one 18G SCSI drive, only 2.4G free. |
| 06:33:37 | TomW | Russ: I have some stuff that I think may be usefull to others, but not sure where it would fit in. |
| 06:33:54 | Russ | I don't think the 3c589 patch is in 2.4.18-rmk2, let me pull it out of that patch |
| 06:33:58 | TomW | Russ: I have a working inetd, telnetd and ftp client. |
| 06:34:46 | Russ | inetd isn't that usefull, telnetd is somewhat usefull, an ftp client is pretty usefull, but I think wget will do that |
| 06:35:34 | TomW | When I am doing development, I like to telnet into the target sys so I can do stuff. |
| 06:35:57 | Russ | TomW: serial console is *much* easier |
| 06:36:07 | Russ | then you get blob access, kernel boot, full oops catching |
| 06:36:23 | TomW | Not if you are using the serial console to connect to a modem it isn't. |
| 06:37:20 | TomW | AFAIK, the built in DSP modem is not yet working? |
| 06:37:52 | Russ | its a software modem |
| 06:37:56 | Russ | so you'd need the codecs |
| 06:38:41 | TomW | Oh, I thought that the DSP chip had software to allow it to do all that. |
| 06:39:29 | Russ | I don't think so |
| 06:39:30 | TomW | So, we would need to write a software modem, or attach an external / PCMCIA modem for dialup to an ISP? |
| 06:39:59 | Russ | I think the modem stuff goes through the ucb1300 |
| 06:40:17 | Russ | the "dsp" just does dialing, lights, and switching audio patchs |
| 06:40:23 | Russ | er, paths |
| 06:40:28 | TomW | shit. cvs.infradead.org is down. |
| 06:40:47 | Russ | I know |
| 06:40:53 | Russ | what did you need it for? |
| 06:41:00 | TomW | checking... |
| 06:41:25 | TomW | mtd |
| 06:41:47 | Russ | mtd is in the kernel |
| 06:42:07 | TomW | it is the 20020102 mtd, I have that in a previous buildroot, I will stick it into this buildroot. |
| 06:42:15 | Russ | oh |
| 06:42:18 | Russ | right, you need mtdtools |
| 06:42:28 | Russ | if you have debian, you can apt-get install mtdtools |
| 06:45:23 | Russ | here is the 3c589cs diff |
| 06:45:37 | Russ | I'll apply it to the tux source |
| 06:47:38 | Russ | and let my computer start crunching on a 2.4.18-rmk3 merge |
| 06:49:16 | fontenot | :-) |
| 06:49:35 | fontenot | updated his xfree tree. |
| 06:49:40 | fontenot | updates |
| 06:51:22 | TomW | build finished. |
| 06:54:26 | fontenot | infradead is still dead?? |
| 06:54:36 | TomW | yup. |
| 06:54:40 | Russ | just apt-get install mtdtools |
| 06:55:07 | Russ | er, mtd-tools |
| 06:55:15 | TomW | Russ: how did you send that file to me? |
| 06:55:21 | Russ | with dcc |
| 06:55:31 | Russ | Filename: pool/main/m/mtd/mtd-tools_20011217-3_i386.deb |
| 06:55:58 | Russ | hmm...must be the LotR build |
| 06:56:22 | fontenot | that would probably work if I was on debian |
| 06:56:55 | TomW | fontenot: would you want the mtd file? I just ran buildroot and used my 20020302 snapshot. |
| 06:57:23 | jacques | hmm I think I have a snap around somewhere too |
| 06:57:25 | jacques | let me check |
| 06:58:08 | TomW | just bunzip2 the file, then unpack the tarball in buildroot-tux/build, it will create an mtd/ dir, then "make". |
| 06:58:54 | jacques | TomW: ok thanks I will do that |
| 06:59:12 | jacques | after I build x for the fourth time today :-) |
| 06:59:20 | jacques | maybe fifth |
| 06:59:41 | TomW | jacques: do you have the file? |
| 07:00:07 | TomW | s/have/need/ |
| 07:00:39 | jacques | TomW: I have this: mtd-snapshot-20020102.tar.bz2 |
| 07:00:52 | jacques | hmm that's old what I have |
| 07:01:12 | TomW | jacques: I have 20020302 |
| 07:01:18 | Russ | import complete...rtagging... |
| 07:01:21 | jacques | TomW: can you dcc it to me? |
| 07:01:39 | jacques | or tell me where I can get it |
| 07:03:06 | TomW | do you have DCC? |
| 07:03:21 | jacques | sigh |
| 07:03:28 | jacques | once again my firewall kills me |
| 07:03:32 | TomW | email? |
| 07:03:40 | jacques | oops |
| 07:03:43 | jacques | it's wotrking now |
| 07:04:11 | TomW | you have the file ok? |
| 07:04:18 | jacques | TomW: yeah I got the first send |
| 07:04:21 | jacques | TomW: thanks |
| 07:04:25 | TomW | good. |
| 07:04:33 | TomW | Russ: thanks, I like dcc. |
| 07:05:00 | TomW | jacques: untar under build. |
| 07:05:07 | jacques | i always forget I have to select the line before clicking accept |
| 07:05:29 | Russ | rtagging complete...merging... |
| 07:09:33 | Russ | ...resolving conficts |
| 07:10:16 | Russ | ...committing merge |
| 07:12:38 | Russ | ...making diiff and building test kernel |
| 07:20:12 | scanline | compiles glibc... |
| 07:22:05 | Russ | not fun |
| 07:23:26 | scanline | yea |
| 07:23:33 | scanline | setting up a cross-compiler for sh4 |
| 07:23:51 | scanline | usually i just install binary packages for cross-compilers |
| 07:23:54 | scanline | but sh4 doesn't have those yet |
| 07:23:59 | jacques | heh try it on an ipaq sometime |
| 07:24:07 | scanline | the whole bootstap compiler and kernel header thing is a mess |
| 07:24:08 | jacques | that's the definition of not fun - a 32MB ipaq |
| 07:24:16 | scanline | bah, 32MB is plenty |
| 07:24:28 | Russ | anyone happen to know how to grab your own IP address? |
| 07:24:32 | scanline | as long as you have an Athlon with 512MB for compiling :) |
| 07:29:52 | TomW | grep out ifconfig. |
| 07:30:36 | TomW | Russ: that microwindows snapshot stinks, it is not friendly to arm-linux-gcc. |
| 07:30:56 | Russ | TomW? |
| 07:30:59 | Russ | which one? |
| 07:31:20 | TomW | keeps insisting on using gcc not arm-linux-gcc. I've been hacking the Makefiles to no avail. the one from linuxhacker.org/mw |
| 07:31:54 | Russ | did you try export CC=arm-liunx-gcc? |
| 07:33:30 | Russ | er |
| 07:33:36 | Russ | did you edit config? |
| 07:34:17 | TomW | ummm, doh! |
| 07:34:34 | TomW | embarassed by something so simple. |
| 07:34:51 | Russ | there are a bunch of other things in there you probably want to look at |
| 07:35:02 | TomW | too many trees, keep falling over the dead branches, I guess. |
| 07:35:22 | TomW | yup, yup. tnx. |
| 07:37:07 | Russ | flashing kernel.... |
| 07:37:52 | Russ | booting kernel... |
| 07:38:17 | Russ | Linux version 2.4.18-rmk3-tux1 (russ@russ) (gcc version 2.95.2 19991024 (release)) #1 Tue Mar 26 00:22:21 MST 200 |
| 07:38:22 | Russ | uploading patch |
| 07:38:58 | jacques | :-) |
| 07:39:02 | Russ | k TomW: http://russ.dhs.org/files/tuxpatches/2.4.18-rmk3-tux1.bz2 |
| 07:39:11 | Russ | it includes the 3c589_cs fix |
| 07:42:32 | Russ | er |
| 07:42:39 | Russ | http://russ.dhs.org/files/tuxpatches/patch-2.4.18-rmk3-tux1.bz2 |
| 08:00:05 | TomW | mousedev & kdbdev undefined in libwmengine.so |
| 08:13:43 | TomW | got rid of mousedev & kbddev errors, just don't make shared libs.. |
| 08:19:54 | jacques | i need a faster machine |
| 08:20:31 | TomW | ?? faster tux or faster workstation? |
| 08:21:28 | jacques | heh in this case faster workstation |
| 08:21:44 | jacques | because I am taking too long to build toolchain / xfree / buildroot / etc |
| 08:22:07 | jacques | i have my eye on dual athlon |
| 08:22:43 | jacques | ive built toolchain like 7 times today and xfree like 8 |
| 08:27:04 | TomW | Athlon 1200MHz, 1G SDRAM, 54G U160 SCSI here. |
| 08:27:25 | TomW | ... still not fast enough. :-( |
| 08:27:41 | LoneTech | for what? |
| 08:28:09 | TomW | building anything. "everything" takes too long. ;-) |
| 08:28:11 | LoneTech | I didn't mind the compile time of the toolchain on my athlon 950 w/ 512MB RAM |
| 08:28:37 | LoneTech | went much quicker than I had expected |
| 08:29:04 | LoneTech | toolchain-source in debian is very convenient (: |
| 08:29:44 | TomW | what is with the debian distro, seems like a number of people developing ARM are using debian. |
| 08:29:49 | jacques | its not too bad when you only have to build it once per day |
| 08:30:40 | LoneTech | TomW: it's convenient. also, there's the emdebian project, and familiar was based on debian iirc |
| 08:30:56 | jacques | i thought embedian had died |
| 08:31:00 | jacques | is it back? |
| 08:31:25 | jacques | however it's spelt :-) |
| 08:31:53 | LoneTech | I didn't think it was gone.. says they "stalled" a while but cooperate with familiar |
| 08:32:27 | jacques | oh cool. |
| 08:33:06 | LoneTech | the "News" says october 22, 2001 though |
| 08:33:11 | LoneTech | shrugs |
| 08:33:29 | LoneTech | I still like toolchain-source and dpkg-cross (: |
| 08:34:21 | TomW | is it necessary to flash both the kernel + ramdisk if all I have changed is the ramdisk image? |
| 08:34:33 | jacques | i wish xfree wasnt braindead |
| 08:34:38 | jacques | TomW: NO |
| 08:34:43 | TomW | tnx |
| 08:34:54 | jacques | make clean in libs in xfree removes too much |
| 08:34:58 | jacques | then it wont make |
| 08:35:03 | jacques | have to make World again |
| 08:35:05 | jacques | PITA |
| 08:35:32 | jacques | TomW: you can also just change kernel |
| 08:35:38 | TomW | good. |
| 08:36:33 | jacques | im still waiting for the jffs2-aware blob |
| 08:36:44 | TomW | freakin windoze worms keep probing my server.. |
| 08:38:46 | Russ | jacques: the code is there |
| 08:41:24 | jacques | Russ: but is it tested? I dont have JTAG |
| 08:41:37 | jacques | i try to avoid untested bootldrs |
| 08:41:39 | Russ | yah, suppose you wouldn't want to touch it then |
| 08:41:45 | Russ | I have jtag on everything |
| 08:41:55 | jacques | :-) |
| 08:42:52 | jacques | cool I finally got xfree cvs to stop complaining about missing funcs |
| 08:43:05 | TomW | anyone get around the complaint from nano-X about "cannot initialise keyboard". I tried a couple of settings for the keyboard in the config file. |
| 08:44:51 | Russ | have you tried input? |
| 08:45:44 | TomW | input? |
| 08:46:01 | Russ | originally, the keypresses are injected into the input subsystem |
| 08:46:30 | Russ | then, a bit of glue (input_keyb.c) glues that to the console, so the console gets them |
| 08:48:08 | Russ | what settings are available anyway |
| 08:49:30 | TomW | looks like somebody commented out the respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty1 in /etc/inittab. If I start a getty on tty1, then it only complains about not finding the mouse (touchpad). This is a slugfest. |
| 08:52:15 | Russ | ya, its all newish stuff I think |
| 09:12:39 | TomW | I give up (for the night), the include files are messed up. Keep failing to find other includes, definitions within includes... I'll try this again tomorrow when I can think. |
| 14:56:56 | cpenguin_away | is back (gone 14:28:44) |
| 16:00:40 | | BZFlag was last seen on #zaurus 11 hours, 34 minutes and 49 seconds ago, saying: <private message> [Tue Mar 26 04:25:51 2002] |
| 16:00:40 | andersee | ibot: seen BZFlag? |
| 16:00:50 | andersee | hmph |
| 16:06:46 | CosmicPenguin | If I ever stick another netgear device in any of my computers, it will be too soon |
| 16:08:20 | andersee | heh |
| 16:08:24 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: lol |
| 16:14:38 | scanline | is away: ZzZzZz..... |
| 17:34:16 | mallum | Aelhaz: got the harddrive - many thanks :) |
| 17:39:31 | Aelhaz | mallum: Cool, lemme know how it works out for you |
| 17:40:51 | mallum | Aelhaz: cool will do |
| 17:41:08 | mallum | Aelhaz: just fucked up my /dev dir by accidently enabling devfs in new kernel |
| 17:41:22 | Aelhaz | ewps |
| 17:43:46 | mallum | I just using MAKEDEV to hopefully fix stuff |
| 17:43:58 | mallum | but its just full of broken symlinks |
| 17:53:32 | mallum | arggg |
| 18:49:47 | CosmicPenguin | wb andersee |
| 18:50:03 | andersee | thx |
| 18:50:12 | andersee | Was shuffling network cards |
| 19:11:13 | ukdeluded | HELP! - jsut installed linux 0.5, and trying to get the network card working, but the only editor i can find on there is VI - is there anything less alien? |
| 19:15:04 | prpplague | ukdeluded: if your going to do embedded or other linux dev, you need to get used to using vi |
| 19:15:34 | prpplague | ukdeluded: its ok to use somethings else for your desktop, but vi and emacs are just about the only common editor across platforms |
| 19:15:45 | CosmicPenguin | loves Emacs, but still knows that VI is the only thing light weight enough for embedded |
| 19:16:38 | prpplague | agrees |
| 19:18:27 | Russ | CosmicPenguin: ae works too |
| 19:18:59 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: true, true... |
| 19:19:09 | Russ | and is a lot easier for newbs |
| 19:19:14 | Russ | (or emacs users) |
| 19:19:17 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: And sometimes, its all about echo "text" > file |
| 19:19:57 | Russ | it'd be really nice if busybox had ae (hint hint) |
| 19:22:14 | ukdeluded | ok - i'll read the vi instructions :( |
| 19:22:41 | ukdeluded | until i can compile joe on it - lol |
| 19:22:55 | prpplague | we have a small editor but its proprietary |
| 19:23:16 | prpplague | i use vi anyway |
| 19:23:34 | CosmicPenguin | an ae port might be nice though.... |
| 19:24:12 | ukdeluded | out of interest, if i get the ethernet card going, can i just use nfs and use slightly bigger apps from over the network? |
| 19:24:50 | Russ | ukdeluded: you can run a whole distro that way |
| 19:25:01 | ukdeluded | ccol! |
| 19:25:04 | ukdeluded | cool even |
| 19:25:29 | ukdeluded | unfortunately my linux skills are somewhat lacking, so gonna take me some time to sort out.. |
| 19:26:38 | prpplague | ukdeluded: you can even use x to connect to a client machine and run apps from there |
| 19:27:20 | Russ | are there any tinyx images out there yet? |
| 19:27:50 | Russ | I know jacques is doing a lot of work with getting X to compile under uclibc |
| 19:28:08 | prpplague | Russ: i've seen some info on the wiki, but i've been using a different rootfs |
| 19:28:27 | prpplague | Russ: ya i'd like to see that as well |
| 19:28:51 | Russ | be nice to have an xdmcp client |
| 19:33:47 | prpplague | wb to virtual life |
| 19:35:57 | andersee | complete with ide zip drive this time |
| 20:02:38 | CosmicPenguin | Just for fun, lets see what happens if I disable the mouse in TinyX... will every new window automagically get focus? |
| 20:10:53 | CosmicPenguin | nope |
| 20:14:21 | Russ | that would seem to be a wm descision |
| 20:14:53 | Aelhaz | yeah, that's configurable in several wms |
| 20:19:16 | RedBeard | how do you trouble shoot a build failure when make doesn't return a meaninfgull error |
| 20:19:18 | RedBeard | ? |
| 20:21:39 | Russ | make doesn't return meaningfull results |
| 20:21:42 | Russ | gcc does |
| 20:26:43 | RedBeard | Russ: okay |
| 20:29:32 | CosmicPenguin | Plus, the pointer still remains when the mouse inputs are disabled |
| 21:07:57 | prpplague | anyone know the easiest way to concert an int to a str under c? |
| 21:08:09 | CosmicPenguin | sprintf |
| 21:08:50 | prpplague | doh |
| 21:08:57 | prpplague | thanks |
| 21:11:27 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: silly me, i knew that |
| 21:12:05 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: Its not the most elegant, but its the easiest |
| 21:40:37 | | andersee was last seen on #tuxscreen 2 hours, 4 minutes and 40 seconds ago, saying: complete with ide zip drive this time [Tue Mar 26 19:35:57 2002] |
| 21:40:37 | jacques | ibot: seen andersee |
| 21:44:31 | jacques | well infradead is back up but not allowing cvs connections |
| 21:56:43 | Russ | unless you are under glib |
| 21:56:55 | Russ | then you want gstrdup_sprintf() |
| 22:10:07 | jacques | wow it's been so long I dont even remember how to flash my tux :-\ |
| 22:10:45 | CosmicPenguin | jacques: Well, first you need a relatively tolerant penguin, and a really loose fitting trenchcoat |
| 22:11:00 | prpplague | lol |
| 22:11:04 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ha good one |
| 22:11:11 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: thanks i needed that |
| 22:11:41 | jacques | lol |
| 22:12:18 | prpplague | is working in the boss's office |
| 22:12:21 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: I needed it too.... The keyboard mapping for TinyX under X86 seems to have been invented by a witch doctor of some sort |
| 22:12:28 | prpplague | lol |
| 22:12:53 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: have you kill a chicken yet and spread the blood across the hd |
| 22:14:00 | Aelhaz | you have to burn a floppy disk in a bowl in front of your monitor while chanting an incantation . . |
| 22:14:59 | RedBeard | FORMAT! FORMAT! FORMAT! |
| 22:15:30 | Russ | jacques: flash the fs image? |
| 22:16:30 | jacques | Russ: kernel and fs |
| 22:16:48 | jacques | i had forgotten the uuencode line |
| 22:17:07 | Russ | kernel you can do with cat zImage > /dev/mtdblock1 |
| 22:17:12 | Russ | but fs you need to do from blob |
| 22:17:17 | Russ | download kernel |
| 22:17:44 | Russ | jacques:$ uuencode kernel/arch/arm/boot/zImage z > /dev/ttyS1 |
| 22:17:54 | Russ | flash kernel |
| 22:17:56 | Russ | reboot |
| 22:18:00 | Russ | download ramdisk |
| 22:18:18 | Russ | jacques:$ uuencode buildroot/image.jffs2 i > /dev/ttyS1 |
| 22:18:21 | Russ | flash ramdisk |
| 22:18:22 | Russ | boot |
| 22:18:45 | jacques | thanks |
| 22:20:34 | jacques | hi Tangent |
| 22:24:03 | jacques | Russ: what's diff tweek 2,4,18 tux2 and tux3 ? |
| 22:24:21 | Russ | a 3c589cs patch |
| 22:24:22 | jacques | tween |
| 22:24:43 | jacques | ah ok |
| 22:26:23 | Russ | and whatever differences are between rmk2 and rmk3 |
| 22:26:58 | CosmicPenguin | I don't think that the tinyX for X86 has been used for embedded systems with special keys much |
| 22:27:51 | jacques | Russ: does latest buildroot build rmk3-tux2 ? |
| 22:28:48 | jacques | wow |
| 22:28:53 | jacques | my tuxscreen made a sound |
| 22:29:00 | jacques | first time I have heard that under linux |
| 22:29:09 | Russ | ya, if you pick up the phone, it will dial |
| 22:29:15 | RedBeard | jacques: mine does every time it boots, must be the new stuff |
| 22:29:25 | Russ | its the dsp code |
| 22:29:32 | Russ | I think CosmicPenguin or Tangent did it |
| 22:29:36 | jacques | wow maybe i should take this one to work and use it as a phone |
| 22:29:36 | CosmicPenguin | ? |
| 22:29:38 | RedBeard | it's cool |
| 22:29:39 | Russ | speaking of which |
| 22:29:57 | Russ | its about time the dsp and serial flash code got merged, and the formatting updated |
| 22:31:52 | jacques | yeah it dials :-) |
| 22:33:00 | Russ | and speaker phone too |
| 22:33:29 | jacques | d'oh |
| 22:33:30 | Aelhaz | speaker phone doesn't work? |
| 22:33:34 | jacques | i forgot to change the buildroot makefile |
| 22:33:38 | Aelhaz | also, does the hold button work yet? |
| 22:34:02 | jacques | i accidentally build uclibc 0.9.10 |
| 22:34:07 | jacques | instead of latest snap |
| 22:35:25 | Russ | speaker phone works, doesn't it? |
| 22:35:42 | Aelhaz | thought so |
| 22:35:49 | Aelhaz | thought i heard something about the hold button not working |
| 22:36:02 | Aelhaz | and I'm aparantly the only person who's noticed that the pageup key doesn't do anything |
| 22:36:20 | jacques | if i had a working phone line i could test it |
| 22:36:23 | RedBeard | at least the only one to have commented on it |
| 22:37:53 | sjm | So 2.4.18 now includes functionality that was in the tuxphone daemon? |
| 22:38:02 | jacques | who here uses their tux as a phone? |
| 22:38:13 | sjm | jacques: I do :) |
| 22:38:25 | Aelhaz | I use both of mine as phones |
| 22:38:40 | jacques | cool that means we're really getting somethere |
| 22:38:42 | jacques | somewhere |
| 22:38:51 | sjm | But I use 2.4.17, and run tuxphone |
| 22:39:18 | Aelhaz | it does? that doesn't sound right |
| 22:39:29 | jacques | the latest image runs tuxphone too |
| 22:39:56 | Aelhaz | that's what i thought |
| 22:40:07 | sjm | Ahh.. Okay - I was confused. |
| 22:42:21 | Aelhaz | yeah, and the hold button still doesn't work |
| 22:42:42 | jacques | i forget who was working on tuxphone |
| 22:43:52 | Aelhaz | hold should be pretty easy to implement, you'd think. mute the inputs and outputs, ignore the hook |
| 22:44:06 | jacques | i wonder what the possibilities of making the beeps and boops do more |
| 22:44:13 | Aelhaz | there are none |
| 22:44:29 | Aelhaz | well, you could do the shanip2 mod and play audio through the phone |
| 22:44:40 | Aelhaz | but the beeps and boops are hard coded in a mask rom on the dsp board |
| 22:44:40 | jacques | yeah i was waiting for a kit to come out |
| 22:44:48 | jacques | aaaah ok |
| 22:45:06 | Aelhaz | i think lucent used an existing dsp board design |
| 22:45:13 | Aelhaz | or at the very least adapted it from another phone |
| 22:47:31 | Russ | pageup doesn't work? |
| 22:47:46 | Aelhaz | Russ: yeah, if i boot into familiar, the pageup key doesn't do anything |
| 22:48:13 | Aelhaz | i don't recall if i've tested it beyond that |
| 22:48:19 | Russ | I thought you meant in linux |
| 22:51:37 | Aelhaz | how do you mean? |
| 22:52:01 | Russ | I thought you meant the pageup key didn't work in linux |
| 22:52:12 | jacques | gotta get ethernet working again - serial is SLOOW |
| 22:52:22 | Aelhaz | I don't have an app in the regular uclibc userland that would know what to do with one |
| 22:52:45 | Aelhaz | but with my familiar-containing cf card in the phone, i boot it up, look at a file in, say, less, and pagedown works but pageup doesn't |
| 22:53:14 | RedBeard | could that be a keymap issue? |
| 22:53:29 | Aelhaz | i suppose |
| 22:54:11 | Russ | should work in linux |
| 22:54:23 | Russ | after all, I seem to have found the scancode for it |
| 22:54:41 | RedBeard | iptables is laughing at my efforts to xcompile (or compile for that matter) |
| 22:54:56 | Russ | iptables isn't too hard iirc |
| 22:55:29 | RedBeard | is xcompile newbie |
| 22:55:46 | RedBeard | I think I know why it failed to compile, I'm checking that now |
| 22:56:03 | Aelhaz | ok, if i telnet into another box from the phone, and use less, i get the same behavior as in familiar |
| 22:56:08 | Aelhaz | using just bb-telnet |
| 22:56:27 | RedBeard | yeah, I figured out the compile problem, but it still won't xcompile |
| 22:56:58 | Russ | RedBeard: did for me |
| 22:57:22 | jacques | why is there no ldd ??? |
| 22:57:42 | RedBeard | yeah, ask alhaz, if there's going to be a problem, I'll find it |
| 22:58:05 | Russ | how odd |
| 22:58:07 | Russ | I wonder why |
| 22:58:24 | Russ | I'll have to look at that |
| 22:58:31 | Aelhaz | jacques: iirc ldd is part of libc |
| 22:58:47 | Aelhaz | jacques: in some implementations, it's merely a bash script |
| 22:59:01 | Aelhaz | that can prolly be adapted to work on the tux |
| 22:59:04 | RedBeard | ld: extensions/libipt_ah_sh.o: Relocations in generic ELF (EM: 40) |
| 22:59:04 | RedBeard | extensions/libipt_ah_sh.o: could not read symbols: File in wrong format |
| 22:59:04 | RedBeard | make: *** [extensions/libipt_ah.so] Error 1 |
| 22:59:23 | CosmicPenguin | -pic |
| 22:59:34 | Aelhaz | RedBeard: edit the makefile, replace "LD=ld" with "LD=arm-linux-ld" |
| 22:59:35 | Russ | use arm-uclibc-ld |
| 22:59:43 | Aelhaz | is there an arm-uclibc-ld? ok |
| 22:59:44 | RedBeard | ahh, thx |
| 22:59:49 | Russ | the kernel makefile provides a good template |
| 23:00:06 | Aelhaz | yes, it appears there is |
| 23:00:21 | RedBeard | I changed several things in the Makefile to point to the right things, missed that one |
| 23:00:39 | jacques | i need ldd on my tux |
| 23:01:19 | jacques | i thought it used to be there |
| 23:02:13 | Russ | away |
| 23:02:45 | Aelhaz | jacques: dunno what to tell you |
| 23:03:15 | Aelhaz | jacques: uclibc seems to have one, dunno why it doesn't get built for arm |
| 23:03:27 | jacques | well i gotta go to work now |
| 23:03:40 | jacques | guess i'll worry about this later |
| 23:04:07 | RedBeard | thanks Russ and Aelhaz |
| 23:16:21 | RedBeard | many thanks guys, you pointed me in the right direction |
| 23:49:08 | Aelhaz | libslang builds easily against uclibc, but 372k probably isn't worth it. was going to look at building nano just for the halibut. . . . or was there a way to build nano-tiny without an external lib? I forget |
| 23:53:43 | RedBeard | iptables w/o man pages (80k) is 660k |
| 23:54:00 | wzdd | <-- new to the project. Looks like fun |
| 23:55:04 | RedBeard | it's proving to be a steep learning curve for me |
| 23:55:28 | wzdd | RedBeard: how far have you got? |
| 23:56:38 | Aelhaz | RedBeard: have you stripped the binaries? |
| 23:56:41 | RedBeard | wzdd: I've got the build-root image on the phone, and I'm starting on xcompiling the additional pieces I need |
| 23:56:45 | Aelhaz | arm-linux-strip whatever |
| 23:56:59 | RedBeard | Aelhaz: no, that's where I'm heading next, but I've never done that... |
| 23:57:04 | RedBeard | okay |
| 23:57:47 | RedBeard | do you strip the libraries too? |
| 23:58:42 | Aelhaz | *shrug* probably, what do i know? |
| 23:58:43 | RedBeard | that's better, down to 544k |
| 23:58:53 | RedBeard | Aelhaz: a lot more than I do |
| 23:58:55 | Aelhaz | decides nano-tiny is lame, stops trying to build it |
| 23:58:57 | RedBeard | I striped the libraries |
| 23:59:00 | Aelhaz | bb-vi is enough text editor for me. |
| 23:59:24 | RedBeard | for the tuxscreen, it's enough |