| 00:00:20 | prpplague | this one is on abaco the island where aliea crashed |
| 00:00:22 | mallum | 'pirates of silcon alley' is on the TV - anyone seen it - any good ? |
| 00:00:36 | prpplague | mallum: a little to movieish |
| 00:01:22 | mallum | prpplague: is there any nudity ? |
| 00:01:35 | prpplague | mallum: no |
| 00:01:42 | mallum | prpplague: kung fu ? |
| 00:03:32 | prpplague | mallum: no just alot of anmousity between jobs and gates |
| 00:03:49 | mallum | prpplague: yeah the guy from 'er' is in it |
| 00:04:13 | mallum | prpplague: and a guy from 'weird science' ( classic - got me into computers ) too |
| 00:04:20 | mallum | ;) |
| 00:04:34 | andersee | sounds boring. ;-) |
| 00:09:54 | prpplague | andersee: ya not overly interesting or informative |
| 00:10:07 | prpplague | andersee: i prefer cringles geek series |
| 00:11:21 | andersee | where on irc do the kernel folk hang? |
| 00:12:42 | CosmicPenguin | Did you try #kernelnewbies? |
| 00:12:56 | CosmicPenguin | I know marcelo hangs out in there every once in while |
| 00:13:57 | andersee | But I don't want to answer people's newbie questions... |
| 00:14:02 | andersee | Oh well, will try |
| 00:14:45 | CosmicPenguin | what, we aren't cool enough for you? |
| 00:14:57 | prpplague | lol |
| 00:17:00 | mallum | prpplague: there was some nudity ! |
| 00:17:29 | mallum | prpplague: half a breast , when little bill visited a strip joint, but his mind was _still_ on the altair !!!!!!! |
| 00:17:44 | prpplague | mallum: what? |
| 00:18:50 | CosmicPenguin | See, that proves he's not a true geek |
| 00:19:09 | prpplague | yep |
| 00:20:20 | prpplague | argh, i need a beer |
| 00:23:19 | prpplague | dreams of a tall blonde holding a beer in one hand and an altair in the other |
| 00:23:47 | pmisfit | is back (gone 05:35:29) |
| 00:24:37 | pmisfit | prpplague: the problem with tall blondes is that once you find one she will try to drag you to the altair! |
| 00:25:15 | prpplague | pmisfit: doh |
| 00:25:36 | pmisfit | prpplague: sorry, couldn't resist the pun. |
| 00:25:41 | prpplague | pmisfit: lol |
| 00:26:27 | pmisfit | adjusts wedding band and sighs... |
| 00:31:37 | mallum | bill is now in prison |
| 00:32:02 | andersee | Wish he had stayed there |
| 00:32:49 | mallum | doh he got out |
| 00:33:06 | mallum | he's turn evil now |
| 00:34:20 | andersee | "Turn to the dark side of the force!" |
| 00:34:26 | andersee | "I am your father" |
| 00:36:45 | mallum | its a got a heavy rock soundtrack !! |
| 00:36:53 | mallum | yeah baby compuers rock !! |
| 00:43:12 | CosmicPenguin | wanna slow your computer down? Try attaching a 103MB file to Evolution |
| 00:43:16 | CosmicPenguin | the mail that is |
| 00:45:59 | andersee | heh |
| 00:48:49 | pmisfit | andersee: uclibc question? |
| 00:49:54 | CosmicPenguin | Gotta head home - there is lots of basketball to watch tonight |
| 00:50:19 | cpenguin_work | is away: Off to watch college basketball |
| 00:51:04 | andersee | pmisfit: k |
| 00:51:19 | andersee | pmisfit: uclibc answer |
| 00:51:30 | pmisfit | andersee: latest CVS, can't resolve __udivsi3 |
| 00:51:58 | andersee | On arm? |
| 00:52:03 | pmisfit | andersee: ya |
| 00:52:26 | andersee | __udivsi3 is part of libgcc.a, provided by the compiler... |
| 00:52:46 | andersee | rebuilds latest uClibc on arm |
| 00:53:00 | pmisfit | andersee: thanks. that'd explain why i couldn't find it. i'll go look there. |
| 00:53:57 | file | pokes his head in |
| 00:55:04 | andersee | pokes file in the head |
| 00:55:41 | file | crys |
| 00:55:53 | pmisfit | now, boys, play nice... |
| 00:56:04 | andersee | is sorry |
| 00:56:14 | file | shoots andersee with a tranquilizer dart |
| 00:56:27 | file | is happy |
| 00:57:43 | andersee | falls asleep and can't report uclibc progress to pmisfit |
| 01:02:53 | pmisfit | andersee: thanks anyway. i'll bang on it. 'nite. |
| 01:03:04 | pmisfit | is away: back to work *sigh* |
| 01:09:34 | andersee | pmisfit: well, latest compiles on arm no problem.... |
| 01:17:22 | prpplague | andersee: thats good to hear |
| 01:18:42 | andersee | Dunno what you were seeing, but It Works for Me(tm) |
| 01:28:57 | Sammy | morning .......... |
| 01:38:41 | jacques | andersee: |
| 01:38:56 | jacques | andersee: I tried building toolchain for x86->arm |
| 01:39:18 | jacques | andersee: it mailed at some point with ld error - but for all I know that might be normal |
| 01:39:36 | andersee | Hmm. |
| 01:39:39 | jacques | andersee: but then I tried using ti and had problems as if it wasnt actually complete after all |
| 01:39:42 | andersee | Guess I should try that... |
| 01:40:00 | jacques | andersee: when building gcc it bailed on a ld trying to fint ctr.o or something |
| 01:40:08 | andersee | starts building it as a arm cross compiler |
| 01:40:46 | jacques | get in the shower. |
| 01:53:49 | pmisfit | is back (gone 00:50:45) |
| 01:55:22 | andersee | jacques: ok, reproduced the problem |
| 01:55:25 | andersee | /home/andersen/CVS/gcc/gcc-3.0.3/toolchain/arm-linux/bin/ld: cannot open crti.o: No such file or directory |
| 01:55:25 | andersee | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| 01:55:25 | andersee | make[3]: *** [libgcc_s.so] Error 1 |
| 01:55:25 | andersee | make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/andersen/CVS/gcc/gcc-3.0.3/arm-linux-gcc/gcc' |
| 01:55:25 | andersee | make[2]: *** [libgcc.a] Error 2 |
| 01:55:27 | andersee | make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/andersen/CVS/gcc/gcc-3.0.3/arm-linux-gcc/gcc' |
| 01:55:28 | pmisfit | is tormented by flaky toolchains too |
| 01:55:29 | andersee | make[1]: *** [all-gcc] Error 2 |
| 01:55:31 | andersee | make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/andersen/CVS/gcc/gcc-3.0.3/arm-linux-gcc' |
| 01:55:33 | andersee | make: *** [.stage6] Error 2 |
| 02:01:39 | andersee | Looks like I need to teach ld a few things... |
| 02:07:36 | jacques | andersee: yep that's the one! |
| 02:07:46 | andersee | Hmm. |
| 02:07:57 | jacques | andersee: so you have tested x86->x86 and arm->arm ? |
| 02:07:59 | andersee | Actually, in this case, ld looks to be doing the right thing |
| 02:08:53 | andersee | gcc needs to be beaten |
| 02:09:58 | jacques | heh |
| 02:10:43 | andersee | Yup. Its gcc's fault. |
| 02:11:18 | andersee | When I run something like 'gcc -shared ~/CVS/uClibc/test/silly/tiny.o -o /tmp/foo', gcc calls collect2 with the paths for crti.o and crtn.o resolved. |
| 02:11:44 | andersee | But in my new toolchain, it as just appending the .o files raw, so of course ld fails |
| 02:15:18 | andersee | sigh, it is looking in about 20 (wrong) directories, then doesn't find it. |
| 02:15:20 | andersee | Odd |
| 02:18:51 | jacques | silly gcc |
| 02:19:00 | jacques | and this is even gcc3 |
| 02:49:43 | andersee | I think I will just fix it by changing the uClibc install a little bit |
| 02:51:51 | ssoucek | on ARM no-mmu (works fine on i386 except pthreads ex7) |
| 02:54:25 | jacques | andersee: whoo :-) |
| 03:02:44 | jacques | hi Tangent |
| 03:09:23 | andersee | jacques: here is the fix... |
| 03:09:52 | andersee | jacques: edit the toplevel Makefile, and remove the comment from line 244 |
| 03:09:58 | andersee | cp ${UCLIBC_PATH}/lib/crt*.o ${TARGET_PATH}/${TARGET}/lib/. |
| 03:11:08 | jacques | andersee: that's it? |
| 03:11:17 | jacques | dammit looks like my dsl is down again |
| 03:11:28 | jacques | i will dl the source to my work build machine |
| 03:11:34 | jacques | so it will take a bit |
| 03:11:35 | andersee | Err. And change the crt0.o to crt*.o |
| 03:12:30 | jacques | cool |
| 03:12:32 | jacques | thanks :-) |
| 03:12:53 | jacques | andersee: when the build is done, will I have a arm-linux-g++ ? |
| 03:13:42 | andersee | yup |
| 03:13:53 | jacques | ok |
| 03:14:11 | andersee | tests whether the fix actually works |
| 03:15:10 | jacques | tries to download from codepoet |
| 03:15:29 | jacques | very slow going |
| 03:16:45 | andersee | sorry. I've only 640k down/256k up dsl. |
| 03:17:10 | andersee | I'm too far out for anything faster (tried to get 1Mbit/1Mbit, but didn't qualify) |
| 03:17:23 | jacques | something else is going on |
| 03:17:35 | jacques | it's taking forever to een connect |
| 03:18:26 | jacques | i downloaded to my home last night and it was much much faster |
| 03:18:44 | andersee | Bah |
| 03:18:46 | andersee | In file included from /home/andersen/CVS/gcc/gcc-3.0.3/arm-linux-gcc/arm-linux/libstdc++-v3/include/cstdlib:31, |
| 03:18:46 | andersee | from /home/andersen/CVS/gcc/gcc-3.0.3/gcc-3.0.3/libstdc++-v3/libsupc++/eh_alloc.cc:34: |
| 03:18:46 | andersee | /home/andersen/CVS/gcc/gcc-3.0.3/arm-linux-gcc/arm-linux/libstdc++-v3/include/bits/std_cstdlib.h:93: `mblen' |
| 03:18:46 | andersee | not declared |
| 03:18:48 | andersee | /home/andersen/CVS/gcc/gcc-3.0.3/arm-linux-gcc/arm-linux/libstdc++-v3/include/bits/std_cstdlib.h:94: `mbstowcs' |
| 03:18:50 | andersee | not declared |
| 03:18:52 | andersee | /home/andersen/CVS/gcc/gcc-3.0.3/arm-linux-gcc/arm-linux/libstdc++-v3/include/bits/std_cstdlib.h:95: `mbtowc' |
| 03:18:55 | andersee | not declared |
| 03:18:57 | andersee | /home/andersen/CVS/gcc/gcc-3.0.3/arm-linux-gcc/arm-linux/libstdc++-v3/include/bits/std_cstdlib.h:104: `wcstombs' |
| 03:19:01 | andersee | not declared |
| 03:19:02 | jacques | heh |
| 03:19:04 | andersee | /home/andersen/CVS/gcc/gcc-3.0.3/arm-linux-gcc/arm-linux/libstdc++-v3/include/bits/std_cstdlib.h:105: `wctomb' |
| 03:19:07 | jacques | im familiar with those |
| 03:19:07 | andersee | not declared |
| 03:19:12 | andersee | Seems to be pulling in some i18n stuff on arm for some reason. |
| 03:19:14 | andersee | goes looking |
| 03:20:10 | jacques | finafuckingly |
| 03:20:22 | jacques | my dsl is soooo bad |
| 03:20:44 | jacques | maybe it will reconnect and i can get the new ip address |
| 03:59:33 | | Test Failed! |
| 03:59:33 | jacques | ibot: test |
| 03:59:36 | | Test Failed! |
| 03:59:36 | jacques | ibot: test |
| 03:59:57 | andersee | jacques: testing again with a patch to libstdc++ disable that stuff |
| 04:00:05 | jacques | :-) |
| 04:02:16 | byron | good evening all.. quick question about uClibc: for the buildroot-tux environment: should there be links for arm-uclibc-c++/g++? |
| 04:02:39 | jacques | HEH |
| 04:02:57 | jacques | i think i'll let andersee answer that one |
| 04:03:11 | andersee | byron: nope |
| 04:03:16 | andersee | byron: not yet |
| 04:03:21 | jacques | short answer is there is currently no supprt for c++ in buildroot-tux |
| 04:03:28 | jacques | but maybe RSN |
| 04:04:05 | jacques | heading to hosting facility - BIAW |
| 04:04:59 | byron | ok was trying to set up flnx for development for the tux and it bombs out in the config script |
| 04:12:47 | andersee | is away: I'm busy |
| 04:16:29 | ssoucek | is away: I'm busy |
| 04:31:08 | pmisfit | andersee: thanks for your help, i found the libgcc.a problem |
| 04:32:32 | pmisfit | andersee: pilot error. my binaries were old, built for distribution uclibc-0.9.9. make clean; make solved all problems. |
| 06:23:32 | jacques | ah my dsl is back |
| 06:23:36 | jacques | how nice of it |
| 06:24:17 | andersee | welcome |
| 06:24:41 | jacques | andersee: fontenot is my dsl |
| 06:24:49 | jacques | i am at work ATM |
| 06:25:00 | jacques | andersee: how goes the wide char hunt? |
| 06:29:09 | andersee | Well, I got sidetracked onto something else |
| 06:29:45 | andersee | I made a patch with fixes that, but then there were some ctype issues, which I've not fixed yet |
| 06:30:08 | andersee | Easy enough to fix 'em I guess |
| 06:31:51 | jacques | sidetracked i understand :-) |
| 07:07:11 | jacques | andersee: so what are you doing now? :-) |
| 07:10:36 | andersee | Working on Real Work(tm) stuff |
| 07:10:59 | andersee | With some goofing off sprinked in for good measure |
| 07:12:23 | jacques | cool |
| 07:12:28 | jacques | im also doing real work :-\ |
| 07:24:31 | BZFlag | andersee: if one make target fails, why do the next? |
| 07:30:15 | andersee | make will though |
| 07:30:55 | andersee | So by splitting them into two calls, the toplevel make will stop after oldconfig fails |
| 07:31:26 | andersee | Otherwise, the lowerlevel would try to run make dep, even after oldconfig fails. |
| 07:31:40 | andersee | A quirk in make behavior |
| 08:07:41 | BZFlag | hmm. not what I thought I'd seen, but ok. |
| 09:27:04 | pmisfit | is away: zzzzz |
| 10:00:24 | Russ | returns |
| 10:04:09 | BZFlag | andersee should get some sleep. |
| 10:06:12 | andersee | heh |
| 10:06:19 | jacques | no...SLEEP.. 'til toolchain!!! |
| 10:06:22 | jacques | :-D |
| 10:06:54 | jacques | (sung to the tune of "no sleep 'til brooklyn") |
| 10:07:00 | jacques | ok, never mind then |
| 10:07:33 | Russ | jacques: download a prebuilt one |
| 10:09:02 | jacques | Russ: i was referring to andersee's new c++/uclibc toolchain |
| 10:09:08 | Russ | ah, coo |
| 10:09:12 | jacques | it's still being worked on by andersee |
| 10:09:20 | Russ | what all did I miss since sunday? |
| 10:09:26 | Russ | my email box filled on tuesday |
| 10:09:39 | jacques | the toolchain is *almost* working perfectly |
| 10:12:44 | Russ | apt-get update... |
| 10:13:31 | jacques | the c++ stuff is not in builroot yet |
| 10:13:37 | Russ | new mozilla... |
| 10:13:43 | Russ | new x.. |
| 10:14:12 | jacques | heading home - be on from there |
| 10:14:16 | Russ | new gimp, new gnumeric... |
| 10:17:48 | andersee | Russ: the C++ support is nearly ready |
| 10:18:00 | andersee | Russ: I got ctors/dtors working properly yesterday |
| 10:18:23 | andersee | Russ: So hopefully we should start seeing update microwindows stuff soon |
| 10:23:16 | Russ | very nice |
| 10:23:24 | Russ | that should accelerate things quite a bit |
| 11:41:58 | Morn | is away: doing consultant stuff |
| 13:56:44 | scanline | join #zaurus |
| 13:56:46 | scanline | oops |
| 14:31:45 | cpenguin_work | is back (gone 13:41:24) |
| 14:32:26 | CosmicPenguin | goood morning |
| 14:38:41 | andersee | morning |
| 14:40:32 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: we're seeing some weirdness when trying to build shared libraries in Microwindows with uclibc... |
| 14:40:41 | CosmicPenguin | symbols keep disappearing |
| 14:40:56 | CosmicPenguin | Sound even remotely familiar? |
| 14:41:52 | andersee | ??? |
| 14:42:00 | andersee | disappearing? |
| 14:44:31 | CosmicPenguin | Yeah.... the symbols are in the object files, but they always end up undefined in the final link.... |
| 14:44:35 | CosmicPenguin | so for example: |
| 14:44:46 | CosmicPenguin | nm foo.o --> 000000 D foo |
| 14:45:10 | CosmicPenguin | uclibc-i386-gcc -o foobar foo.o bar.o |
| 14:45:18 | CosmicPenguin | Undefined reference to foo |
| 14:45:34 | CosmicPenguin | It only apprears to be data objects, if that helps |
| 14:45:52 | CosmicPenguin | But anyway, I haven't researched it enough, so don't worry about it for now |
| 14:46:10 | andersee | Latest CVS version? |
| 14:46:24 | CosmicPenguin | I just wondered if you recognized it |
| 14:46:33 | CosmicPenguin | Yep |
| 14:46:39 | andersee | nope, I've not seen that |
| 14:46:57 | andersee | I use several uClibc linked shared libs in my own stuff |
| 14:47:08 | andersee | And it works for me. dunno |
| 14:49:08 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: like I said, don't worry, I'll see if I can figure out why later |
| 14:49:49 | andersee | k |
| 14:51:12 | CosmicPenguin | anyone tried the new galeon 1.2.0? |
| 14:53:06 | signal11 | not yet. whats new? |
| 14:53:14 | signal11 | i'm quite happy with 1.0 |
| 14:53:31 | signal11 | except for memory usage of course |
| 14:55:22 | CosmicPenguin | 1.2.0 is a development version |
| 14:55:29 | CosmicPenguin | I was just wondering if it was too buggy to use or not |
| 14:56:39 | CosmicPenguin | I'll check it out... it will give me 0.9.9 support too |
| 14:59:10 | CosmicPenguin | So, is everyone bewaring the ides of march? |
| 14:59:34 | signal11 | popup checkbox #1 |
| 14:59:45 | signal11 | et to brute |
| 14:59:53 | signal11 | er tu |
| 14:59:55 | signal11 | whatever |
| 15:00:32 | signal11 | i need to see "julius caesar on an aldus lamp" again |
| 15:07:20 | prpplague | morning all |
| 15:17:17 | CosmicPenguin | Wow, Galeon 1.2 rocks... :) |
| 15:19:18 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hey, could i impose on you to send me your could you are using to work with sqlite under fltk? |
| 15:19:53 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i'm still strugling with a efficient way of assigning values to fltk widgets from sqlite data |
| 15:21:11 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: I was going to send that to you before, then I plum forgot |
| 15:21:52 | CosmicPenguin | if you give me your e-mail, I'll send that right now |
| 15:26:15 | | rumour has it prpplague is mailto:dave123@abcsinc.com |
| 15:26:15 | prpplague | ibot: prpplague |
| 15:28:49 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: got an experience with geode gx1 processor? |
| 15:32:01 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: lots of experience |
| 15:32:12 | CosmicPenguin | is writing a IR driver for a geode right now |
| 15:33:15 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i've run across a strange issue running a text console on a geode |
| 15:33:35 | CosmicPenguin | lay it on me |
| 15:35:18 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: when using the vga console, if you change the back ground color, the cursor does not change color to offset from the background ( i.e. if you set the background to white, the cursor stays white, and you can't see the cursor) |
| 15:35:41 | CosmicPenguin | hmmm.... busybox and tinylogin I presume? |
| 15:36:14 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: but if you do a alt-f2 and switch to another screen and the back to alt-f1 the cursor is then changed to black which is the correct color offset |
| 15:36:28 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: after that it works fine |
| 15:36:46 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: bb and a custom login |
| 15:37:04 | CosmicPenguin | I have had similar problems myself, actually |
| 15:37:06 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: but i've tested with standard rhat7.1 dist, same problem |
| 15:37:20 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: great, at least i'm not crazy |
| 15:37:30 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: any solution? |
| 15:42:42 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: none.... but of course, I'm not a huge console expert |
| 15:42:53 | CosmicPenguin | but little annoyances like this are commplace with the geode |
| 15:50:43 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ya well its huge issue for us at POS |
| 15:51:55 | CosmicPenguin | What if you use the fbconsole? Same problems? |
| 15:57:12 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: haven't tested that yet, was going to do that later today |
| 16:04:03 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: just use the vesa vga option? |
| 16:11:43 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hey one more question then i'll leave you alone(for today) what processor type do you usually choose for the geode gx1? |
| 16:20:46 | eyezz | is away. Automatically set away [SZon] |
| 16:25:05 | CosmicPenguin | Right now I choose the P3 without MMX |
| 16:25:17 | CosmicPenguin | Though, there are patches that apparently make MMX useable with the Geode |
| 16:28:55 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hmm, i've been going the low road, i386 |
| 16:29:54 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: I've gotten all the way up to Coppermine before it blows out |
| 16:32:16 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: guess i'll try the pentium-classic setting and see how it goes |
| 16:32:24 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: thanks for the info and the email |
| 16:32:39 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: the sample code looks like it might answer some of my questions |
| 16:33:02 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: next time to make it to dallas give a howler, i'll spring for a steak and beer |
| 16:34:59 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: deal |
| 16:39:39 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: when using fbconsole, you don't need any addition /dev device right? the functionality is compiled into the kernel? |
| 16:40:32 | CosmicPenguin | It should be |
| 16:42:04 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: thats what i thought, just double checking |
| 16:43:50 | prpplague | mallum: well hello there, decided to travel back from the POTA to visit us? |
| 16:43:56 | mallum | yeah |
| 16:44:14 | mallum | ;) |
| 16:48:29 | scanline | is away: tired... about to pass out... will very definitely crash after class... |
| 17:38:40 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hmm, same problem under fbconsole |
| 18:07:54 | irc | mornin gents |
| 18:10:07 | wej | out of curiosity... has anyone gotten any 802.11 cards working since i was here lastl? ( months ago ) |
| 18:16:28 | AlHazWork | I thought someone said they did, dunno for sure tho |
| 18:25:10 | wej | brb |
| 18:27:42 | ssoucek | is back (gone 14:11:13) |
| 18:35:28 | fontenot | bored now |
| 19:39:32 | fontenot | anyone awake? |
| 19:39:45 | ssoucek | sure |
| 19:39:48 | fontenot | I just heard that the tuxscreen can take 128MB notebook domms? |
| 19:39:50 | fontenot | dimms |
| 19:40:03 | fontenot | checking wiki now |
| 19:40:57 | ssoucek | that's some might memory for a phone ;-) |
| 19:41:38 | fontenot | hmm looks like i was misinformed |
| 19:45:01 | AeroSpace | I wish, I keep getting the kernel killing processes due to low memory while I'm trying to install debian. I wish some of the swap over the network worked. |
| 19:45:32 | fontenot | AeroSpace: i feel your pain |
| 20:14:43 | AeroSpace | I'm configure the xfree86 server for the tuxscreen. What should I put for the mouse input? |
| 20:14:46 | AlHazWork | fontenot: The tuxscreen takes 72 pin EDO sodimms |
| 20:14:50 | AlHazWork | which are hard to find |
| 20:15:07 | fontenot | not only that but a particular layout of sodimm |
| 20:15:08 | AlHazWork | there are some further requirements of them, as well |
| 20:15:11 | AlHazWork | right |
| 20:15:16 | fontenot | yeah :-( |
| 20:15:35 | AlHazWork | I Think the max you can put in the phone is 64 meg, with 32 meg soldered to the board and a 32 meg dimm, this requires nontrivial modification |
| 20:15:44 | fontenot | arg |
| 21:09:26 | krushtus | is away: to work............ |
| 21:24:43 | GPSFan | prpplague: you arround? just ran across a neat prototyping adapter for surface mount devices, inexpensive too. http://www.brndog.com/priclist.html |
| 21:27:01 | prpplague | GPSFan: wow those are cool |
| 21:27:46 | GPSFan | prpplague: yea, the 6 & 8 pin jobs are very reasonably priced, the PCMCIA is a bit $$$$ though. |
| 21:28:25 | prpplague | GPSFan: and so is the pqfp socket |
| 21:29:19 | prpplague | GPSFan: btw, i found some really cool maxim lcd bias chips |
| 21:29:34 | GPSFan | prpplague: do tell... |
| 21:29:41 | prpplague | GPSFan: still have not received my samples though :( |
| 21:30:13 | prpplague | GPSFan: takes 5v and will create the need positive on negative bias up to 28v or -28v |
| 21:30:27 | GPSFan | prpplague: cool, P/N?? |
| 21:30:35 | prpplague | GPSFan: let me get my notes |
| 21:30:49 | GPSFan | prpplague: max749? |
| 21:31:39 | prpplague | GPSFan: ya thats sounds familiar |
| 21:34:28 | RedBeard- | al: thanks |
| 21:34:31 | prpplague | GPSFan: max753 and max754 |
| 21:34:35 | RedBeard- | ack...wrong window |
| 21:34:38 | prpplague | doh |
| 21:34:46 | RedBeard- | al: thaks |
| 21:34:54 | RedBeard- | damn... still wrong window |
| 21:35:11 | RedBeard- | sorry |
| 21:35:14 | prpplague | GPSFan: i also got the max639 and max640 for my battery interface |
| 21:35:39 | prpplague | RedBeard-: thats ok, we'll only make use XP for a couple of days as punishment |
| 21:36:13 | AlHazWork | redbeard is the other half of lineo's testing team |
| 21:36:42 | prpplague | AlHazWork: ahh |
| 21:36:55 | prpplague | RedBeard-: nice you meet you |
| 21:37:24 | prpplague | RedBeard-: don't suppose your going to get to work on the voip reference plaform from lineo? |
| 21:37:54 | RedBeard- | prpplague: man, that's vicious punishment |
| 21:38:16 | RedBeard- | prp: one of the two of us will end up testing it |
| 21:39:02 | AlHazWork | I wonder if the people who get to decide who have heard my thoughts on voip |
| 21:39:21 | prpplague | lol |
| 21:39:31 | AlHazWork | end-user voip is a sow's ear. nothing good can come from it. |
| 21:39:38 | RedBeard- | al: heh |
| 21:39:57 | AlHazWork | it needs things like known latency and guaranteed bandwidth |
| 21:40:07 | AlHazWork | which doesn't exist in home or office |
| 21:40:28 | AlHazWork | between PBXs on leased bandwidth, great, go for it |
| 21:40:33 | RedBeard- | al: that's not going to stop marketing dweebs from pushing it |
| 21:40:36 | AlHazWork | but don't put it on my desk. |
| 21:40:46 | wej | anyone out there? |
| 21:40:47 | GPSFan | prpplague: sounds like you got the new generation LCD bias chips, I did a max749 bias generator for a 320 x 240 mono LCD once, worked well. ftp://www.desertweyr.com/pub/Image01a.jpg |
| 21:42:03 | RedBeard- | cool, tuxchess |
| 21:42:09 | RedBeard- | http://www.labyrinth.net.au/~steve/tuxchess.html |
| 21:42:25 | RedBeard- | it's probably old news to all of you |
| 21:42:52 | RedBeard- | since the author is sitting right over there --> |
| 21:43:39 | prpplague | GPSFan: nice board |
| 21:43:58 | wej | can anyone tell me what's up with buildroot? |
| 21:44:06 | prpplague | AlHazWork: we have the cisco voip solution here and it sucks |
| 21:44:09 | wej | i get to some point where it's trying to pull down a mod 1100033 or something |
| 21:44:15 | wej | and it gets stuck in that loop cuz it doesn't find the file. |
| 21:44:22 | wej | which cisco voip solution? |
| 21:44:33 | AlHazWork | prpplague: Boy howdy does it suck! |
| 21:44:46 | wej | there are a billion cisco voip solutions. |
| 21:44:47 | wej | which one? :) |
| 21:44:48 | AlHazWork | prpplague: I worked at a beta site for it, you shoulda seen the OLD setup |
| 21:45:07 | wej | and can anyone tell me what's up with the uk linux machine that i'm supposed to be getting this code from? |
| 21:45:11 | AlHazWork | we had a DT24X, dunno what they call it now |
| 21:45:30 | wej | softswitch? |
| 21:46:12 | wej | they also made a hack of the 2600 and called it some voip gateway cuz they threw DSPs on the board. |
| 21:46:15 | prpplague | wej: the 7960 phones with the callmanager and cisco voip gateway routers |
| 21:46:18 | wej | but it wasn't called a DT something i don't think. |
| 21:46:27 | wej | prpplague: i worked on a product that competed with the CCM |
| 21:46:30 | wej | that thing's apiece of crap |
| 21:46:34 | wej | cool peecee case tho. heheeh. |
| 21:46:37 | wej | the phones are awesome |
| 21:46:46 | wej | i customized my ringtones and put the quake shotgun sound on it |
| 21:46:50 | wej | and people screaming/dying |
| 21:47:01 | wej | www.centile.com |
| 21:47:04 | prpplague | wej: ya they phones aren't too bad, but the management of the system sucks |
| 21:47:05 | wej | *there's* an ip pbx |
| 21:47:11 | wej | it's aimed for the colo |
| 21:47:18 | wej | they teach lecs to be ISPs and sell voice and data over the same line |
| 21:47:23 | wej | everything remotely managed at the asp |
| 21:47:30 | AlHazWork | wej: CCM = Cisco Call Manager? |
| 21:47:33 | wej | yeah |
| 21:47:38 | wej | the ccm is the cisco call manager.. |
| 21:47:39 | wej | it sucks. |
| 21:47:47 | AlHazWork | yeah, it blows |
| 21:47:53 | AlHazWork | and it's pointless |
| 21:48:04 | AlHazWork | you have to put the phones on their own lan, so, why bother using ethernet at ALL? |
| 21:48:08 | AlHazWork | let alone IP |
| 21:48:10 | AlHazWork | wtf is the point? |
| 21:48:32 | GPSFan | prpplague: board was done in 1994, it was a 486 handheld, HDD, PCMCIA, 320 x 240 LCD, 8M DRAM, was cool for it's time, but by todays standards somewhat an underperformer. |
| 21:49:36 | wej | alhazwork |
| 21:49:37 | AlHazWork | there are plenty of feature ritch digital PBXs that are more reliable than the cisco solution |
| 21:49:37 | wej | hell yeah. |
| 21:49:39 | wej | it's super pointless |
| 21:49:45 | AlHazWork | and don't require expensive cisco switches to operate |
| 21:49:45 | wej | the shoreline communications boxes are pointless too |
| 21:49:55 | wej | they do what centile did ... use features via hookflash and dtmf |
| 21:50:03 | AlHazWork | except that shoreline works |
| 21:50:05 | wej | which is super sketchy cuz no two analog phones have exactly the sane hookflash |
| 21:50:07 | wej | it was a pain in the ass |
| 21:50:11 | wej | i had to get 'em working with our media hubs... |
| 21:50:19 | wej | little h.323 and mgcp hubs that had 4 fxs out |
| 21:50:33 | wej | shoreline works |
| 21:50:36 | wej | but it's still pointless. |
| 21:50:37 | wej | heh. |
| 21:50:41 | wej | the management interface is pretty good |
| 21:50:51 | wej | also |
| 21:50:54 | wej | the centile media hubs |
| 21:50:55 | AlHazWork | if your selling point is being able to mess with your voicemail on your pc, shoreline is peachy |
| 21:51:03 | wej | fixed stuff that's still broken in shoreline |
| 21:51:06 | wej | when they were still alpha |
| 21:51:15 | AlHazWork | * nod* |
| 21:52:16 | wej | fax, cwid |
| 21:52:27 | wej | have i rambled enough? |
| 21:52:34 | wej | i'm on a mission from god here. |
| 21:52:36 | wej | i need help. |
| 21:52:48 | wej | you kind, but mostly bizarre gentlemen are the only ones that can help me. |
| 21:53:11 | RedBeard- | passes wej a jumbo bottle of prozac |
| 21:53:28 | RedBeard- | that the kind of help you were looking for? |
| 21:54:02 | prpplague | lol |
| 21:54:48 | prpplague | GPSFan: ya looks like a nice board, hopefully one day i'll get my project complete before it's obsolite |
| 21:55:05 | wej | hehehehe. |
| 21:55:19 | wej | i need one of 4 or 5 things. |
| 21:55:21 | wej | just one... |
| 21:55:30 | wej | and i'll be super happy. no more rambling. i'll even fasten the leather straps MYSELF. |
| 21:56:23 | wej | 1. i need to know what's up with buildroot, why it can't find the mtd tar on ftp.uk.linux.org.... No such file `mtd-snapshot-20011130.tar.bz2' |
| 21:56:53 | GPSFan | prpplague: I know the feeling, the contract that that board was a prototype for was just awarded last December! it is now spec'd as a SA1110/1111 based Win CE ( ;>( ) machine. I'm still peripherially involved. The production units may even get delivered while I'm still alive. |
| 21:57:09 | AlHazWork | wej: the answer to 1 is that 20011130 is a really old snapshot and has been deleted by now |
| 21:57:21 | AlHazWork | wej: later versions of buildroot should reference a more recent snapshot |
| 21:57:46 | prpplague | GPSFan: lol |
| 21:58:03 | wej | buti just downloaded the buildroot today... |
| 21:58:07 | wej | maybe i should do it the old fashioned way |
| 21:58:10 | wej | and just grab it all from cvs |
| 21:58:14 | wej | instead of being a whiney putz. |
| 21:58:17 | wej | votes? |
| 21:59:35 | wej | for whoever cares.. sao paulo having the worst flood in history right now. |
| 22:02:13 | AlHazWork | grab it from cvs |
| 22:02:19 | wej | heh. |
| 22:02:20 | AlHazWork | even that might not work, but you can bug andersee if it doesn't |
| 22:02:26 | wej | right on. |
| 22:02:32 | wej | i guess the only other thing i needed |
| 22:02:36 | wej | was the scoop on any 802.11 progress. |
| 22:02:45 | wej | i have a linksys card, and a cisco aironet |
| 22:02:47 | wej | but the latter is a 5v |
| 22:02:54 | AlHazWork | I wish someone would put a howto on the wiki |
| 22:02:56 | wej | the linksys is identified, but i have no iwconfig |
| 22:03:01 | wej | and i've been unsuccessful at building it. |
| 22:03:09 | wej | a howto for 802.11 stuff? |
| 22:03:12 | AlHazWork | yeah |
| 22:03:17 | wej | the buildroot doesn't build iwconfig either i don't think. |
| 22:03:20 | wej | so i'm kinda screwed. |
| 22:03:26 | AlHazWork | i use a linksys card with wvlan_cs and have never fiddled with iwconfig at all |
| 22:03:31 | AlHazWork | but that's on a pc |
| 22:03:43 | wej | hrm. |
| 22:03:45 | AlHazWork | i guess on the tux we have, what, orinoco_cs? I've never used that |
| 22:03:48 | wej | i tried wvlan_cs |
| 22:03:54 | wej | and in older versions, it would just crash the machine. |
| 22:04:01 | wej | both orinoco and wvlan_cs |
| 22:04:02 | wej | crashed it. |
| 22:04:07 | AlHazWork | cute |
| 22:04:11 | AlHazWork | I haven't tried lately |
| 22:04:14 | wej | that's what i said. |
| 22:04:22 | wej | so now i've got a *lot* of time on my hands... |
| 22:04:27 | wej | and i wanna get this puppy working. |
| 22:06:18 | AlHazWork | maybe this weekend i can upgrade one of my tuxes to a new buildroot image and see if i can get one of my prism nics working in it |
| 22:06:46 | AlHazWork | thing is i don't *need wireless, but I'd like to know whether it works when people ask |
| 22:07:01 | AlHazWork | <-- single, has ethernet everywhere but the bathroom |
| 22:07:24 | AlHazWork | (but i do like my notebook to be untethered) |
| 22:07:28 | prpplague | AlHazWork: what? not one in the latrine? |
| 22:07:51 | wej | heh |
| 22:07:53 | wej | i'm married |
| 22:07:55 | wej | but unemployed. |
| 22:07:58 | wej | my company closed about a month ago |
| 22:08:01 | wej | so i'm looking for a gig. |
| 22:08:20 | wej | and in the meantime, trying to work a deal with sun on a new solaris distribution i did, and a deal with cisco on a network management tool i'm writing in java. |
| 22:08:26 | prpplague | wej: where did you work? |
| 22:08:28 | wej | so .. not a *lot* of free time, but definitely enough. |
| 22:08:37 | wej | prpplague: i used to work for centile.. they layed off all eng in the US |
| 22:08:42 | wej | then i worked for clearwaternetworks |
| 22:08:52 | wej | yet another network service processor shop based on the mips core |
| 22:08:59 | wej | with 8 contexts |
| 22:09:01 | wej | that sorta thing. |
| 22:09:10 | wej | wrote the CLI for them based on the motorola spec that cisco and foundry use. |
| 22:09:20 | wej | nothing super exciting, but i thought it was cool. |
| 22:09:28 | wej | especially considering i'm a shit c coder. |
| 22:09:55 | prpplague | GPSFan: now if i could find a sa-1110 on a protoboard socket |
| 22:10:01 | wej | heh. |
| 22:10:03 | wej | i have a shark. |
| 22:10:47 | prpplague | wej: ya i'm not the best c coder either, but i'm getting better |
| 22:10:50 | RedBeard- | prpplaque: the linkup might work for you |
| 22:11:04 | prpplague | still likes gw-basic |
| 22:11:19 | prpplague | RedBeard-: linkup? |
| 22:11:30 | wej | i really dig writing in java. |
| 22:11:41 | prpplague | stares blanky at RedBeard- |
| 22:11:49 | wej | wrote this cool database engine on mysql and xml for this network management thing we're trying to pitch to cisco |
| 22:12:11 | RedBeard- | prp: it's the protoboard that was used to make the Zaurus |
| 22:12:27 | prpplague | RedBeard-: ahh |
| 22:12:51 | RedBeard- | I did some testing on one, they're prety alright |
| 22:12:53 | prpplague | wej: ya i did some xml on the cisco phone as well |
| 22:13:04 | prpplague | RedBeard-: url/cost? |
| 22:13:17 | RedBeard- | lots of options, the stuff I was testing didn't support all the options but it supported enough of 'em |
| 22:13:21 | RedBeard- | prp: leme look |
| 22:13:36 | wej | cool, prpplague |
| 22:13:38 | wej | you work at cisco? |
| 22:13:58 | prpplague | wej: argh, god no |
| 22:14:15 | wej | hehe |
| 22:14:16 | prpplague | considers cisco a 4 letter word |
| 22:14:19 | wej | i'm trying to get a job ther ein san diego |
| 22:14:27 | wej | i like doing network design stuff... |
| 22:15:09 | prpplague | wej: no i work for a company in texas that does accounting systems for hardware/lumber/construction/ and overseas shipping |
| 22:15:18 | RedBeard- | prp: my mistake, it's an arm7, not sa-1110 |
| 22:15:46 | RedBeard- | the linkup that is |
| 22:15:56 | prpplague | wej: this is baby - http://www.linuxdevices.com/articles/AT3193512578.html |
| 22:16:19 | prpplague | s/is/is my |
| 22:16:43 | wej | niiiiiiice. |
| 22:16:50 | wej | i like the little development box :) |
| 22:16:52 | wej | very cool. |
| 22:16:57 | wej | frickin tiny |
| 22:17:16 | prpplague | RedBeard-: i'm really look for just a processor on a board i can work with for the rest |
| 22:17:48 | prpplague | wej: it was my first design, its got a few bugs, but it does what we need |
| 22:17:51 | GPSFan | prpplague: these guys have 208pin adapters, but they ain't cheap. http://www.advancedinterconnections.com/Advintcorp/getDetail.asp?recID=37 |
| 22:18:10 | wej | that's killer, amigo. |
| 22:18:11 | wej | i dig it. |
| 22:20:12 | GPSFan | prpplague: Emulation Technologies also has them, also not cheap. http://www.emulation.com/catalog/off-the-shelf_solutions/prototyping_adapters/proto_adap/8100smt7.html |
| 22:24:36 | prpplague | GPSFan: nice, wonder what kind of price range? |
| 22:26:08 | GPSFan | prpplague: I have some of the ET socket adapters that go from 32 pin PLCC to 32 pin DIP and they about US150 10 years ago. |
| 22:27:34 | prpplague | ouch |
| 22:28:14 | prpplague | GPSFan: maybe i need to do do something has just the sa-1110,ram, and flash, with the rest of the lines out to a connector |
| 22:29:48 | GPSFan | prpplague: the alternate was to buy a whole new DATA-IO programmer just to do PLCC eeproms. 7-8k ;>( BrownDog says they do custom's they might have a 208 pin in the works. their 132 pin would be a lot cheaper without the socket. |
| 22:31:29 | GPSFan | prpplague: be careful of socket adapters though, signal fidelity isn't that great, and you might have problems with the memory out at the end of those long leads. |
| 22:31:59 | prpplague | GPSFan: ya that was a concern of mine |
| 22:32:32 | prpplague | GPSFan: don't you think a board with just cpu,ram, and flash with a connector on the end would be a nice dev platform? |
| 22:33:55 | AlHazWork | prpplague: You could even sell it with a big chunk of perfboard that's got a power supply on it |
| 22:34:44 | prpplague | AlHazWork: exactly |
| 22:35:20 | prpplague | AlHazWork / RedBeard- : you guys run across anything like that? |
| 22:35:27 | AlHazWork | like a ucdimm, but with a better cpu and cheaper parts |
| 22:35:34 | prpplague | AlHazWork: yep |
| 22:35:38 | GPSFan | prpplague: I do, it would be great, a SA1110, or PAX250, flash, DRAM, & a connector, almost a tux, but a bit newer. maybe like: http://www.keith-koep.com/Cotulla.html |
| 22:35:50 | AlHazWork | prpplague: I think Axis sells some kits like that, but with their own arm core |
| 22:37:01 | prpplague | GPSFan: what kind of $$? |
| 22:37:44 | GPSFan | prpplague: the prices on the Xscale aren't out, but their SA1110 version was EU195 in singles. http://www.keith-koep.com/trizeps.html |
| 22:39:34 | prpplague | GPSFan: hmm, i wonder how easy they are to get in the US |
| 22:40:37 | wej | there was a pagef in the wiki with the cvs tree information |
| 22:40:42 | wej | what login to use, command syntax.... |
| 22:40:44 | wej | i can't find it now. |
| 22:41:26 | AlHazWork | right now, 195eu is ~172usd |
| 22:41:43 | wej | wow. |
| 22:41:46 | wej | that happened fast. |
| 22:41:56 | wej | wasn't it roughly 1 for 1 at the turn of the year? |
| 22:42:19 | AlHazWork | *shrug* |
| 22:42:31 | GPSFan | prpplague: I've been wondering the same thing. BZFlag send's stuff to the EU, I got my CerfCube from Canada, I don't know what the tarriffs are comming into the US, but it should be possible to find out. |
| 22:43:46 | wej | can anyone show a complete moron how to check buildroot out of the cvs tree? |
| 22:47:36 | RedBeard- | wej: the euro started sliding as soon as it started trading on the currency markets, more than a year ago |
| 22:47:42 | prpplague | GPSFan: no tariff if its for personal use, if its biz you have to fill out some paperwork |
| 22:48:30 | prpplague | wej: there should be some intructions on the wiki for anonymous cvs access to tuxscreen.net |
| 22:49:13 | wej | yeah. |
| 22:49:14 | wej | there was. |
| 22:49:16 | wej | i just can't find it now |
| 22:49:33 | GPSFan | prpplague: hmm, their net_terminal looks like a nice development platform, and their old Arnold (SA1100) bears a very strong resemblance to the Tuxscreen. |
| 22:49:34 | BZFlag | wej: get a cross compiler, check out buildroot, cd there, type make. |
| 22:49:42 | wej | i've got all that. |
| 22:49:46 | wej | i've done it all before |
| 22:49:51 | BZFlag | then? |
| 22:49:51 | wej | i just want to check out a fresh version of buildroot |
| 22:49:54 | wej | the one on the page doesn' twork. |
| 22:50:03 | RedBeard- | wej: if it's from source forge, it'll be something like this: |
| 22:50:05 | wej | cuz it tries to grab an old mtd |
| 22:50:06 | RedBeard- | cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.roguelike-palm.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/roguelike-palm login |
| 22:50:06 | RedBeard- | |
| 22:50:07 | RedBeard- | cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.roguelike-palm.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/roguelike-palm co modulename |
| 22:50:22 | RedBeard- | that pasted badly |
| 22:50:25 | BZFlag | "the one on the page" very specific. I'll guess you typed the one wrong, or are reading the wrong page. |
| 22:50:28 | RedBeard- | http://sourceforge.net/cvs/?group_id=6932 |
| 22:50:47 | BZFlag | wej: "cvs -q up -PdA" |
| 22:51:07 | BZFlag | or are you talking about some old tarball? |
| 22:51:27 | wej | i grabbed the buildroot tar off the website |
| 22:51:36 | wej | ran the make.. |
| 22:51:41 | wej | it went and grabbed the linux sources |
| 22:51:45 | BZFlag | ah. yeah. tarballs are all broken. |
| 22:51:47 | wej | but it croaks trying to nab an old mtd |
| 22:51:49 | wej | yeah. |
| 22:51:59 | wej | so i just wanted to log into the cvs server, and grab the current buildroot environment |
| 22:52:14 | BZFlag | I fixed the cvs version to use cvs for mtd, not the expiring snapshots. |
| 22:52:33 | wej | gotcha. |
| 22:52:37 | wej | recently? |
| 22:52:39 | BZFlag | I should make a new tarball that will always work. (though it could get old, it would continue to work) |
| 22:52:43 | BZFlag | 2 days ago. |
| 22:52:46 | wej | ah. |
| 22:52:49 | wej | yeah.. i downloaded it today. |
| 22:53:07 | BZFlag | I did not fix the tarballs. just what's in cvs. |
| 22:53:57 | wej | right on. |
| 22:54:06 | wej | in the roguelike-palm |
| 22:54:09 | wej | what would be the modulename? |
| 22:54:10 | wej | just buildroot? |
| 22:54:14 | wej | in the syntax you gave me above... |
| 22:54:25 | kergoth | BZFlag: I officially started work on the autobuild system today. expect a triaged tasklist and status update shortly. |
| 22:54:40 | BZFlag | sweet. cvs? ;-) |
| 22:55:11 | kergoth | BZFlag: of course |
| 22:55:19 | kergoth | BZFlag: well.. nothing committed yet, but it will be |
| 22:55:22 | kergoth | heh :-) |
| 22:55:26 | | prpplague: sorry... |
| 22:55:26 | prpplague | ibot: convert 279eu to dollars |
| 22:57:44 | RedBeard- | wej: I'm not sure, sorry |
| 22:57:56 | wej | no worries redbeard. |
| 22:58:19 | wej | i assume it's still buried in the wiki somewhere. |
| 22:58:43 | RedBeard- | did you try cvs.tuxscreen.sourceforge.net? |
| 22:58:53 | wej | found it. |
| 22:58:58 | wej | http://sourceforge.net/cvs/?group_id=20228 |
| 22:59:07 | RedBeard- | cool |
| 22:59:25 | | BZFlag: what? |
| 22:59:25 | BZFlag | ibot: 279 eu to usd |
| 22:59:30 | | BZFlag: i'm not following you... |
| 22:59:30 | BZFlag | ibot: convert 279 eu to usd |
| 22:59:41 | wej | nice. |
| 22:59:48 | wej | sourceforge is refusing the anonymous login. |
| 22:59:53 | wej | oh wait |
| 22:59:54 | wej | hehehehe. |
| 22:59:56 | wej | <- tard |
| 23:00:05 | BZFlag | ibot: change 279 eu to usd |
| 23:00:12 | | BZFlag: 279.00 (Moldova Leu (MDL)) makes 20.4665 (United States Dollar (USD)) |
| 23:00:22 | BZFlag | ibot: change 279 eur to usd |
| 23:00:27 | | BZFlag: , (Euro (EUR)) makes 2002.03.15 23:03:02 GMT. (United States Dollar (USD)) |
| 23:00:42 | BZFlag | hmm... that didn't work. |
| 23:00:47 | RedBeard- | home time |
| 23:01:03 | wej | right on |
| 23:01:05 | wej | pullin it down now. |
| 23:01:08 | wej | thanks amigos. |
| 23:01:16 | BZFlag | sure |
| 23:01:18 | wej | cold beers waitin for anyone stoppin by mountain view CA. |
| 23:01:28 | BZFlag | anyone notice the google search on the wiki? ;-) |
| 23:01:33 | wej | yeah :) |
| 23:01:50 | wej | i just interviewed there. |
| 23:01:51 | BZFlag | cool. hope it's useful to ya. ;-) |
| 23:01:52 | wej | twice. |
| 23:01:55 | wej | frickin guys. |
| 23:01:56 | prpplague | ibot: change 279 euro to usd |
| 23:02:00 | wej | they're right down the street from me. |
| 23:02:01 | | prpplague: , (Euro (EUR)) makes 2002.03.15 23:04:02 GMT. (United States Dollar (USD)) |
| 23:02:26 | prpplague | ibot: change 279euro to usd |
| 23:02:26 | | prpplague: that doesn't look right |
| 23:02:38 | wej | he's got an attitude. |
| 23:02:40 | | prpplague: sorry... |
| 23:02:40 | prpplague | ibot: 279 euro to usd |
| 23:02:44 | wej | i say we reverse the polarity of his neutron flow |
| 23:02:45 | BZFlag | I talked with them seriously, but I wanted to fix a number of large known problems in the engine, and they wanted me to brand results pages. |
| 23:02:54 | | prpplague: huh? |
| 23:02:54 | prpplague | ibot: 279 euro to us |
| 23:03:04 | BZFlag | prpplague: but it out allready. it's broke. |
| 23:03:11 | wej | my friend just got in trouble with them for running a job that queries and hits his site to up his preference in their db |
| 23:03:11 | wej | heh |
| 23:03:14 | wej | they were bent. |
| 23:03:16 | prpplague | BZFlag: sorry |
| 23:03:38 | prpplague | grovels for forgiveness |
| 23:03:42 | BZFlag | heh |
| 23:05:06 | wej | so how has everyone been for the last few months? |
| 23:05:14 | wej | i haven't rapped with you guys since before i left for brasil. |
| 23:06:39 | kergoth | BZFlag: hm, now that uclibc can deal with cpp.. i wonder if qtopia would run against it |
| 23:07:46 | wej | mallum... whatsss in his pocketssesss |
| 23:07:53 | wej | oh wait. |
| 23:08:18 | prpplague | wej: ha good one |
| 23:08:22 | BZFlag | kergoth: I would think so. someone(tm) needs to try. |
| 23:08:41 | kergoth | BZFlag: indeed |
| 23:08:53 | prpplague | has anyone tried fltk apps against the new uclibc? |
| 23:09:02 | mallum | mallum@arnold:~$ df -h |
| 23:09:02 | mallum | Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on |
| 23:09:02 | mallum | /dev/hda3 2.5G 2.4G 131M 95% / |
| 23:09:02 | mallum | /dev/hda1 2.8G 2.7G 141M 96% /home |
| 23:09:05 | mallum | uh oh .... |
| 23:09:25 | wej | is that a microdrive? |
| 23:09:35 | mallum | no its my laptop drive |
| 23:09:40 | wej | cool. |
| 23:09:40 | mallum | think I need a bigger one |
| 23:09:42 | AlHazWork | quick fix |
| 23:09:44 | AlHazWork | rm -rf / |
| 23:09:47 | wej | yeah. |
| 23:09:49 | wej | that always works for me. |
| 23:09:58 | wej | gets rid of unwanted pR0n |
| 23:10:12 | AlHazWork | mallum: I have a 20gb notebook drive for sale, dunno how long it'd take to get to your neck of the woods tho |
| 23:10:23 | wej | ooooh. |
| 23:10:26 | mallum | AlHazWork: how much are you selling it for ? |
| 23:10:26 | wej | where do you live, alhazwork? |
| 23:10:28 | wej | aren't you in the UK? |
| 23:10:33 | wej | i need one for my shark. |
| 23:10:37 | wej | i've got a 1 gig around here *somewhere* |
| 23:10:39 | AlHazWork | hitachi, 9mm, ata66 even i think |
| 23:10:40 | wej | that's about it. |
| 23:10:48 | mallum | uzi 9mm ? |
| 23:11:16 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: well i've been able to replicate the cursor problem on the geode gx1 on several different mb's that use the geodegx1 |
| 23:11:49 | AlHazWork | mallum: idunno, $75? |
| 23:11:54 | mallum | AlHazWork: will a 9mm fit in a 'thin' ( compaq m300 ) laptop ? |
| 23:12:05 | AlHazWork | wej: I'm in Utah |
| 23:12:07 | AlHazWork | same as bzflag, andersee, etc |
| 23:12:17 | AlHazWork | mallum: 9mm are roughly as thin as they come |
| 23:12:29 | AlHazWork | mallum: it fit in my toshiba portege 3010 |
| 23:12:31 | mallum | AlHazWork: sounds good, you take paypal ? |
| 23:12:53 | AlHazWork | Yeah, I do, you sure you want to wait for shipment to the uk? I have no idea how long it will take or what it will cost |
| 23:12:55 | mallum | AlHazWork: better find out how much it'll cost to ship to UK |
| 23:13:03 | AlHazWork | it's extremely light :) |
| 23:13:09 | AlHazWork | but should prolly be packed well |
| 23:13:34 | AlHazWork | the only thinner drive I've ever seen was the toshiba 4gb that i took out of the notebook, which was 8.5mm |
| 23:13:48 | mallum | I can wait, thats no problem |
| 23:13:58 | AlHazWork | mallum: What shipping method is best? |
| 23:14:11 | mallum | AlHazWork: by air idealy |
| 23:14:28 | AlHazWork | mallum: but, air by government post or by ups, fedex, etc? |
| 23:15:02 | AlHazWork | I paid like $120 for this drive four or five months ago |
| 23:15:52 | wej | utah |
| 23:15:54 | wej | that's not so far away. |
| 23:16:00 | mallum | AlHazWork: ups or fedex is good |
| 23:16:17 | wej | mallum if you don't want it, let me know and i'll nab it. |
| 23:16:39 | mallum | AlHazWork: mark the package up as a gift though , or its value as like 10 $ or customs will rip me off |
| 23:16:47 | mallum | AlHazWork: I definetly want it |
| 23:16:57 | mallum | I think I need it |
| 23:17:24 | CosmicPenguin | This IR is frustrating me |
| 23:17:39 | wej | CP! |
| 23:17:42 | wej | what's the haps, amigo-san? |
| 23:18:09 | AlHazWork | mallum: Oh, for sure |
| 23:18:32 | AlHazWork | if it weighs one pound, usps air parcel post is $16 |
| 23:18:37 | AlHazWork | lemme check the others |
| 23:18:42 | mallum | AlHazWork: cool, thats fine |
| 23:19:09 | wej | #tuxscreen. where deals are made. |
| 23:19:20 | AlHazWork | mallum: what's your postal code? |
| 23:19:42 | mallum | E8 |
| 23:19:56 | AlHazWork | I can wipe the drive, pack it, and ship it tomorrow, because my dearly beloved toshiba doesn't work anymore, and has been replaced by a thinkpad |
| 23:20:11 | mallum | AlHazWork: cool, I can paypal you the money now |
| 23:20:55 | AlHazWork | guh, ups would be 3x as much |
| 23:20:59 | AlHazWork | usps it is then |
| 23:21:02 | AlHazWork | do you want it insured? |
| 23:21:46 | AlHazWork | dunno how big a deal that is when shipping to the uk |
| 23:22:31 | mallum | AlHazWork: hmmm, nah dont woryy about insurance - I like to live on the edge |
| 23:22:38 | wej | heheheh |
| 23:22:42 | AlHazWork | k |
| 23:22:46 | wej | have you seen that film 'the edge'? |
| 23:23:04 | AlHazWork | so I'll declare the value at $10usd or something, what shall i say is inside it? |
| 23:23:07 | mallum | I read the magazine |
| 23:24:14 | wej | it's about this bigass bear that tracks down these snow campers |
| 23:24:17 | wej | and picks 'em off one by one |
| 23:24:25 | wej | i thought about it a lot recently when snow camping in tahoe. |
| 23:24:36 | mallum | AlHazWork: If you have to fill in a form saying 'what its purpose is' ( if you know what I mean ) , say its a gift |
| 23:24:40 | wej | don't watch that film before going snow camping. |
| 23:24:56 | mallum | AlHazWork: better declare its value as 30$ actually, 10$ would be a little silly |
| 23:25:11 | AlHazWork | mallum: iirc, the customs slip says value, purpose, contents |
| 23:25:13 | AlHazWork | ok |
| 23:25:14 | mallum | AlHazWork: I dont thing customs will tax me on a price that low |
| 23:25:15 | wej | alhazwork: write.. 'For my BIG special LOVEBUNNY' |
| 23:25:33 | AlHazWork | usually my canadian friends tell me to declare $20, gift, and list "circuit board" or whatever |
| 23:25:47 | AlHazWork | but every country is different |
| 23:25:55 | wej | mallum: yer in the UK? |
| 23:26:01 | mallum | wej: unfortunatly yes |
| 23:26:04 | wej | heh. |
| 23:26:08 | wej | i knew it was one of youse |
| 23:26:23 | wej | where would you prefer to be? |
| 23:26:36 | wej | besides a tropical island being fanned by exotic nude women with palm fronds |
| 23:26:50 | mallum | I like the west coast of america |
| 23:26:55 | wej | right on. |
| 23:26:59 | wej | i digs it too. |
| 23:27:17 | wej | what parts have you visited? |
| 23:27:19 | wej | or have you lived out here? |
| 23:27:30 | AlHazWork | I think I'm gonna mod one of my tux phones for 5v pcmcia, stick a couple nics in it, and call it a router |
| 23:27:36 | AlHazWork | / firewall |
| 23:27:40 | wej | heh |
| 23:27:43 | mallum | I was meant to be migrating there, went in for the Visa and all that, good job + salary + apartment etc and then the company went bust |
| 23:27:46 | wej | you remember what i'm gonna do with mine, right? :) |
| 23:27:58 | wej | where, mallum. and what company? |
| 23:28:07 | AlHazWork | I want badly to retire my loud, hot, slow DEC Alpha firewall, but realized that not being able to run ia32 binaries is a feature in a firewall |
| 23:28:10 | AlHazWork | wej: no, what? |
| 23:28:17 | wej | don't laugh |
| 23:28:19 | wej | here goes |
| 23:28:23 | wej | my shark sits in the trunk |
| 23:28:32 | wej | it has 10 base t built in, a zip drive, and an ide controller |
| 23:28:36 | wej | i put the laptop drive in that. |
| 23:28:43 | wej | run twisted pair to the console of my wife's car |
| 23:28:48 | wej | i take the guts and the display of the tuxscreen |
| 23:28:50 | wej | mount it on the dash |
| 23:28:54 | wej | twisted pair via either to the shark. |
| 23:28:56 | wej | the other pcmcia slot |
| 23:28:59 | wej | for the 802.11 card |
| 23:29:08 | wej | which will auto sync with my home mp3 collection at night when my wife parks her car. |
| 23:29:31 | wej | think not, that i am mad. |
| 23:29:45 | wej | it'll be sweet. i compiled madplay for the shark... |
| 23:29:55 | kergoth | wej: actually, thats a pretty cool application of it, imho |
| 23:29:57 | wej | even with a SA1100 it can decode mpegs as madplay doesn't use floats |
| 23:29:58 | wej | all integers. |
| 23:30:01 | wej | so it works pretty well. |
| 23:30:03 | wej | thanks, kergoth. |
| 23:30:29 | mallum | wej: palo alto |
| 23:30:39 | wej | nice, mallum. i'm one town down from palo alto |
| 23:30:50 | wej | crap. my buildroot failed after about 30 minutes. |
| 23:31:00 | AlHazWork | ah, yeah, that should work well, if you can get a good 802.11 link between the car and the house |
| 23:31:04 | AlHazWork | mallum: email me your shipping information - alhaz@xmission.com |
| 23:31:08 | mallum | wej: where are you |
| 23:31:12 | wej | yeah. the car parks close to the machine room |
| 23:31:18 | wej | mallum: mountain view |
| 23:31:35 | wej | my problem is getting the 802.11 to work in the tuxscreen. |
| 23:31:44 | mallum | wej: yeah I been there, to the cinema |
| 23:32:03 | wej | nice. |
| 23:32:05 | wej | i like that theatre |
| 23:32:15 | wej | the amc down in san jose is cool.. nice seats and all, but it's really a ghetto. |
| 23:32:20 | wej | too big and crowded |
| 23:32:25 | mallum | wej: yeah saw some bad film there, wesley snipes thing |
| 23:32:25 | wej | mountain view is all cozy and swank. |
| 23:32:30 | wej | heh. |
| 23:32:43 | mallum | wej: I was over for a month, working, staying in sunnyvale |
| 23:33:09 | mallum | wej: it was very cool |
| 23:33:12 | wej | cool, man. |
| 23:33:13 | wej | yeah. i dig it here. |
| 23:33:17 | wej | i'd be happier if i had a job |
| 23:33:20 | wej | and one of those cool paycheck things. |
| 23:33:25 | wej | but other than that, life is good. |
| 23:33:56 | kergoth | mutters about being stuck in minnesota |
| 23:34:11 | wej | where in minnesota? |
| 23:34:13 | mallum | wej: I have no job either - its great ! |
| 23:34:17 | wej | heh. |
| 23:34:21 | RedBeard | Minnesota sounds better tha Utah |
| 23:34:26 | wej | well. i like it cuz i can work on my tuxscreen.. and this software project i'm doing.. |
| 23:34:32 | wej | but i'll need cash badly in a few months here. |
| 23:34:33 | kergoth | we got about 15 inches of snow last night |
| 23:34:35 | wej | and the job market is crazy. |
| 23:34:35 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:34:57 | mallum | I have a little 'from home' work, php hell |
| 23:35:01 | mallum | man I hate php |
| 23:35:02 | prpplague | GPSFan: just call maxim, parts on the way, wahoo! |
| 23:35:11 | wej | heh. |
| 23:35:14 | wej | i'm diggin tomcat |
| 23:36:18 | wej | make: *** [/home/wej/tux/buildroot-tux/build/tuxphone/tuxphone.c] Error 2 |
| 23:36:20 | mallum | AlHazWork: got anything else you wanna sell while were at it ? |
| 23:36:22 | wej | after 30 minutes of building |
| 23:36:23 | wej | i get that. |
| 23:36:25 | wej | anyone got any clues? |
| 23:36:38 | wej | i could trace -f it, and run it all again.. but gah. i don't even have a build/tuxphone |
| 23:36:54 | RedBeard | is anyone here looking for a jtag set, with cable for their tuxscreen? |
| 23:36:59 | RedBeard | I've got a set I'd like to sell |
| 23:37:41 | wej | what is lrzsz? |
| 23:37:45 | wej | some zmodem app? |
| 23:38:05 | kergoth | wej: yeah. rz=receive zmodem, sz=send zmodem |
| 23:38:51 | wej | cool. |
| 23:38:59 | wej | yankin it out of my build. |
| 23:41:58 | wej | anyone here like tom waits? or ever wonder why i blabber so much about lame shite? |
| 23:43:13 | mallum | tom waits ? |
| 23:43:58 | wej | yeah. |
| 23:44:07 | wej | has anyone gotten any pcmcia scsi contoller working? |
| 23:44:09 | wej | or ide controller? |
| 23:44:14 | wej | that'd eb sweet. then i wouldn't have to use my shark. |
| 23:44:23 | wej | if it could live in one slot, and leave the other avail for my 802.11 card. |
| 23:44:25 | wej | i'd be a happy camper. |
| 23:45:30 | BZFlag | ibot: change 279 eur to usd |
| 23:45:33 | | BZFlag: 279.00 (Euro (EUR)) makes 246.098 (United States Dollar (USD)) |
| 23:45:53 | | wej: huh? |
| 23:45:53 | wej | ibot: sit and ponder things for hours. say nothing. |
| 23:45:53 | BZFlag | prpplague: happy? |
| 23:45:58 | wej | heh. |
| 23:46:00 | wej | nice. |
| 23:46:20 | mallum | I bot some stuff with euro's in france the other week |
| 23:46:46 | mallum | wej: the microdrives work fine in the tux's |
| 23:46:52 | AlHazWork | mallum: I have lots of stuff, anything in particular you need? |
| 23:46:56 | wej | but it ocupies two slots tho, right? |
| 23:47:10 | AlHazWork | 144pin edo sodimms? I have a bunch, 16 and 32 meg, i think |
| 23:47:22 | wej | alhazwork: do you have any sun hardware? |
| 23:47:32 | AlHazWork | wej: Yes |
| 23:47:36 | wej | ruh roh :) |
| 23:47:37 | AlHazWork | wej: most of it is rather old |
| 23:47:41 | wej | that's waht i like. |
| 23:47:46 | AlHazWork | wej: whatcha lookin for? |
| 23:47:48 | wej | my development box here is a sparc20.. dual sm71s |
| 23:47:56 | wej | well i'd like to find something faster than my dual sm71s |
| 23:48:09 | wej | i'm looking for dual mbus 100mhz supersparcs.. so i can have 4 100mhz procs in my sparc20 |
| 23:48:17 | AlHazWork | I have a big pile of kingston dsimms that came out of an ss10, which i think are 60ns and thus ss20 compatible, I need to look them up |
| 23:48:20 | wej | but any faster proc than the sm71 would do |
| 23:48:30 | wej | i've got plenty of sparc10/20 mem |
| 23:48:34 | wej | i just need procs :\ |
| 23:48:41 | wej | oh. i need LX memory too |
| 23:48:43 | AlHazWork | if i had sm71's I'd keep 'em. I can give you busted sm50's or sm30's :) |
| 23:48:55 | wej | i have 3 pair of sm50s :) |
| 23:48:56 | AlHazWork | hmm, I sold my lx with all it's memory a while back |
| 23:49:08 | wej | bummerz |
| 23:49:10 | wej | my bedside machine is an LX |
| 23:49:15 | wej | boots NetBSD off my sparc20 disklessly. |
| 23:49:16 | AlHazWork | some guy on ebay sold me a pair of sm50's but i couldn't make them work in any of my ss10's |
| 23:49:23 | wej | weird. |
| 23:49:25 | wej | remember what hardware rev? |
| 23:49:30 | wej | you might've just needed a prom upgrade. |
| 23:49:47 | AlHazWork | lx memory isn't hard to find, tho, you just need 60ns 36 bit 72 pin simms, iirc they have to be 4 or 16 meg, right? |
| 23:50:00 | wej | yeah |
| 23:50:02 | AlHazWork | iirc, mine was crammed fulla 16 meg simms |
| 23:50:06 | wej | nice. |
| 23:50:09 | wej | which makes err.. |
| 23:50:16 | AlHazWork | I forget how much, 96 megs? |
| 23:50:16 | wej | 96 megs right? |
| 23:50:18 | wej | yeah |
| 23:50:18 | AlHazWork | yeah |
| 23:50:19 | wej | heh |
| 23:50:26 | wej | i have 48 in mine |
| 23:50:28 | AlHazWork | I have some cgsix's |
| 23:50:33 | wej | oh! |
| 23:50:35 | wej | i have a PGX32 |
| 23:50:37 | wej | mmmmmmmmmmmmm. yummy. |
| 23:50:41 | wej | i have no sparc with pci tho |
| 23:50:41 | AlHazWork | mm, pgx32 |
| 23:50:51 | AlHazWork | *nod* |
| 23:50:53 | wej | yeah... sweet pci frame buffer for sparc |
| 23:51:10 | AlHazWork | a couple years ago i aquired three ss10's |
| 23:51:17 | wej | the default buildroot make will build orinoco, wvlan_cs and all taht, right? |
| 23:51:20 | wej | but as modules i think.... |
| 23:51:22 | wej | if i'm not mistaken. |
| 23:51:27 | AlHazWork | one of 'em had two sm51's, the others had sm30's |
| 23:51:32 | wej | i have 2 ss20s, and 1 ss10 |
| 23:51:35 | wej | but i'm only using 1 20 |
| 23:51:43 | wej | sm30s. wow. |
| 23:51:49 | wej | the sm71s are sweet. |
| 23:51:51 | AlHazWork | i crammed 512 megs of ram and a pair of 2gb drives in the dual sm51 one, and made it my webserver |
| 23:51:52 | wej | got the 1 meg supercache on 'em... |
| 23:51:55 | wej | 75mhz supersparcII |
| 23:52:07 | AlHazWork | The other two ss10's I don't really want |
| 23:52:07 | wej | yeah. my sparc10 sat in mae-west for about 2 years |
| 23:52:17 | AlHazWork | I feel i should keep one for spare parts |
| 23:52:18 | wej | had an uptime of almost 500 days when i swapped it for the machine i currently have there. |
| 23:52:21 | wej | a netra t1 105 |
| 23:52:22 | AlHazWork | but the other one, feh |
| 23:52:32 | wej | yeah. 10s are crazy old. |
| 23:52:36 | wej | slow bus, too |
| 23:52:49 | wej | 20s are sweet tho. i've seldom seen anyone with a quad processor 20 |
| 23:52:53 | wej | and i want 'em for my 20 so badly :) |
| 23:52:55 | AlHazWork | At the same time, I have an indy with a 15mhz r4400, 256 megs of ram, and a 24 bit framebuffer |
| 23:53:07 | AlHazWork | which makes a far superior workstation compared to any of my sparc stuff |
| 23:53:08 | wej | i have an O2 with a 180mhz r5k |
| 23:53:14 | AlHazWork | :P |
| 23:53:20 | wej | yeah. 24 bit frame buffer, 256 megs of ram |
| 23:53:42 | AlHazWork | I hate 8 bit framebuffers. and it costs more than some used cars to find a 24 bit framebuffer for an old sparc. |
| 23:53:49 | wej | i was working on booting it disklessly off my sparc, but decided i would stop using it for the stereo system in the livingroom and put it back on my desktop. |
| 23:53:51 | AlHazWork | aint worth it |
| 23:53:58 | wej | 8 bit framebuffers piss me off :) |
| 23:54:02 | AlHazWork | Oh, I have sun speakerboxes |
| 23:54:04 | AlHazWork | two of 'em |
| 23:54:10 | wej | that's always been sun's problem. you could get a machine *reasonably* priced, but if you wanted 24 bit, forget it. |
| 23:54:19 | wej | i used to have a leo |
| 23:54:23 | prpplague | BZFlag: wahoo thanks for the ibot fix |
| 23:54:25 | wej | the old 24 bit sun frame buffer for the 10/20 |
| 23:54:38 | wej | it occupies 2 sbus slots, and to use it, you have to put two more sbus cards in |
| 23:54:41 | wej | so it occupies all 4 sbus slots |
| 23:54:41 | AlHazWork | wej: it's a software archetecture problem, actually, that made 24 bit framebuffers expensive |
| 23:54:56 | wej | the two extra sbus cards? dual fan cards. each card has 2 fans that blow on the frame buffer to keep it from melting the case |
| 23:55:04 | AlHazWork | wej: there's billions of dollars spent on applications sof sunos and solaris that require, demand, the ability to display 8 bit |
| 23:55:05 | wej | didn't knwo that, alhazwork. |
| 23:55:06 | wej | wow. |
| 23:55:12 | wej | yeah. |
| 23:55:14 | wej | like cadence. |
| 23:55:18 | wej | cadence isn't happy in 24 bit on sparc |
| 23:55:25 | AlHazWork | wej: so a 24 bit framebuffer has to be able to display 8 bit and 24 bit simultaniously, lest it bust those apps |
| 23:55:33 | wej | yeah.... crazy. |
| 23:56:29 | AlHazWork | if i just had a good copy of irix for my indy . . . OTOH, does anybody know if linux supports any of the video stuff on indys? I have the indycam and everything |
| 23:56:46 | wej | i'd stick with irix :) |
| 23:56:51 | wej | i have a 6.5 ISO here. |
| 23:57:03 | wej | what version are you running? |
| 23:57:41 | wej | mallum... where else did you go in CA? |
| 23:58:25 | AlHazWork | wej: nothing |
| 23:58:40 | AlHazWork | wej: there's 5.something on the indy that attempts to mount all sorts of nfs stuff on bootup |
| 23:58:49 | AlHazWork | I get the impression that there's no actual OS on it other than the bare minimum to boot |
| 23:59:04 | wej | ah |
| 23:59:09 | wej | want me to rip this 6.5 for you? |
| 23:59:17 | AlHazWork | that would be fantastic, actually |
| 23:59:21 | wej | sweet man. |
| 23:59:25 | AlHazWork | is it a machine-specific disc or just general? |
| 23:59:30 | wej | general. |
| 23:59:35 | wej | lemme find it. one sec. |
