| 00:09:12 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: Bah. Fixing a problem with constructors + static linking |
| 00:26:32 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: no worries... |
| 01:17:27 | Sammy | morning all |
| 01:21:43 | mallum | evening ! |
| 01:56:14 | ssoucek | is away: Grabbing the bets for the March madness |
| 02:06:24 | andersee | is away: I'm busy |
| 02:06:29 | dbyron | is back |
| 02:06:41 | dbyron | is back |
| 02:06:49 | dbyron | is back |
| 03:09:24 | prpplague_home | howdy all |
| 03:09:39 | prpplague_home | looks like afull crowd tonight |
| 03:09:58 | prpplague_home | GPSFan: you hanging around? |
| 03:10:25 | prpplague_home | russ_: howdy, thought you'd be out with all those college girls on spring break? |
| 03:11:49 | prpplague_home | holy cow |
| 03:13:12 | prpplague_home | ahh much better |
| 03:23:46 | prpplague_home | CosmicPenguin: working late? |
| 03:57:56 | cpenguin_home | good evening |
| 04:00:55 | jacques | hi cpenguin_home |
| 04:03:49 | cpenguin_home | jacques: I am so impressed with TinyX |
| 04:03:59 | cpenguin_home | realizes he is biting the hand that feeds him.... :) |
| 04:04:21 | cpenguin_home | I only had to add 5 lines of code to make TinyX work on dual head system |
| 04:04:34 | cpenguin_home | dual head framebuffer system to boot |
| 04:14:21 | jacques | cpenguin_home: yeah it's nice |
| 04:14:28 | jacques | cpenguin_home: I'm glad you got that working! |
| 04:16:12 | prpplague_home | cpenguin_home: you been trying out tinyx? |
| 04:16:38 | andersee | is back (gone 02:10:14) |
| 04:19:36 | cpenguin_home | prpplague_home: yep |
| 04:29:12 | prpplague_home | cpenguin_home: well? do tell...., i've been a stick in the mud for X, haven't gotten around to trying it |
| 04:29:38 | prpplague_home | cpenguin_home: what kinda of platform are you testing it with? |
| 04:33:12 | cpenguin_home | prpplague_home: I've got a 66 Mhz machine here with two custom video cards |
| 04:33:20 | cpenguin_home | Its a real POS |
| 04:42:34 | andersee | Point Of Sale I'm sure. ;-) |
| 04:42:52 | prpplague_home | cpenguin_home: why have you got a Point-of-Sale at home?lol |
| 04:43:07 | prpplague_home | andersee: darn you bet me to that one |
| 04:48:56 | cpenguin_home | This is a MachZ if anyone has ever heard of them |
| 04:49:03 | andersee | yup |
| 04:49:25 | cpenguin_home | But it has two industrial flat panels with touchscreens attached, so its kind of cool |
| 04:49:31 | andersee | x86 SoC based on several TLAs |
| 04:49:36 | cpenguin_home | I now have two copies of Xeyes looking at each other on two monitors... |
| 04:49:37 | cpenguin_home | :) |
| 04:50:33 | cpenguin_home | jacques: Does Keith accept patches? I've got a couple he may be interested in |
| 04:59:24 | prpplague_home | cpenguin_home: didn't they have to change the name for the MachZ to zflinux? |
| 05:00:50 | andersee | ZFx86 |
| 05:01:36 | prpplague_home | andersee: ya thats the one |
| 05:03:09 | prpplague_home | cpenguin_home: thats the first product i ever heard of with a zf product in it |
| 05:03:37 | cpenguin_home | prpplague_home: And its the last... they decided not to use the chip |
| 05:04:48 | andersee | heh |
| 05:05:28 | jacques | cpenguin_home: he most certainly does |
| 05:05:40 | jacques | sorry - was getting dinner |
| 05:05:41 | cpenguin_home | I'm just using it to prove that I can get TinyX running on multiple screens |
| 05:06:32 | cpenguin_home | -display localhost:0.0 and -display localhost:0.1 |
| 05:06:41 | jacques | hi andersee ! |
| 05:06:45 | andersee | prove? Got a bet going? |
| 05:06:47 | jacques | andersee: I have a question |
| 05:06:49 | andersee | jacques: hi |
| 05:06:54 | andersee | I have an answer |
| 05:07:02 | cpenguin_home | andersee: speaking of which, how is the 'ol C++ stuff going? |
| 05:07:03 | andersee | (probably wrong) ;-) |
| 05:07:13 | jacques | andersee: how is c++ / uClibc these days? I have something I wanna try to build. |
| 05:07:33 | jacques | radio shack - you've got questions, we've got shrugs |
| 05:07:39 | andersee | Not too bad. constructors and destructors work just great now with shared libraries. |
| 05:07:58 | jacques | andersee: that sounds excellent - so wat's left? I thought that was the only problem |
| 05:08:00 | cpenguin_home | andersee: oh - you haven't tracked down the static library thing yet? |
| 05:08:09 | andersee | I'm currently working on fixing constructors and destructors when staticly linking. |
| 05:08:28 | andersee | Nope. |
| 05:08:32 | cpenguin_home | doh |
| 05:08:39 | andersee | Still trying to track that one down. |
| 05:09:00 | andersee | I spent several hours helping Manuel get the new stdio code merged. |
| 05:09:30 | jacques | am I missing something? do I need static linking? |
| 05:09:44 | jacques | maybe embedded developer do though :-\ |
| 05:09:50 | andersee | So now now stdio is all 100% standards compliant, and has support for wide/narrow streams. |
| 05:10:27 | jacques | andersee: so, if I want to link dynamically, there is a good chance that my app will build and run? |
| 05:11:31 | jacques | where do I sign? :-) where can I get the latest uclibc toolchain? |
| 05:13:14 | andersee | jacques: yup. Already working fine there. |
| 05:13:43 | jacques | andersee: is it as simple as downloading the latest CVS buildroot? |
| 05:13:50 | andersee | nope |
| 05:13:55 | andersee | http://codepoet.org/toolchain/ |
| 05:14:03 | andersee | Plus todays snapshot of uClibc |
| 05:14:11 | jacques | ah I saw you mention that on the list |
| 05:14:16 | andersee | Plus some changes which I havn't committed to CVS yet... |
| 05:14:28 | andersee | I'm cleaning those up right now. |
| 05:14:31 | jacques | so, gcc3 is what you are using? |
| 05:14:57 | andersee | Yes, but I plan on doing a gcc 2.95.x one later this evening after I fix the static problem |
| 05:15:32 | cpenguin | argh! |
| 05:15:33 | andersee | is actually working on it today. Havn't touched this problem for weeks to be honest. |
| 05:17:21 | jacques | andersee: heh, I dont mean to be pushing you :-) well maybe a little |
| 05:17:29 | andersee | Check out these static C++ app sizes. :) |
| 05:17:32 | andersee | $ ll test2 test2.glibc test test.glibc |
| 05:17:32 | andersee | -rwxr-xr-x 1 andersen andersen 174k Mar 11 17:37 test* |
| 05:17:32 | andersee | -rwxr-xr-x 1 andersen andersen 636k Mar 11 17:37 test.glibc* |
| 05:17:32 | andersee | -rwxr-xr-x 1 andersen andersen 30k Mar 11 17:37 test2* |
| 05:17:32 | andersee | -rwxr-xr-x 1 andersen andersen 389k Mar 11 17:37 test2.glibc* |
| 05:17:42 | jacques | WOWOWOW |
| 05:17:57 | jacques | stripped I assume |
| 05:18:21 | andersee | yup |
| 05:18:32 | andersee | Not as impressive though when dynamic linking |
| 05:18:34 | andersee | $ ll test2 test2.glibc test test.glibc |
| 05:18:34 | andersee | -rwxr-xr-x 1 andersen andersen 13k Mar 11 22:20 test* |
| 05:18:34 | andersee | -rwxr-xr-x 1 andersen andersen 14k Mar 11 22:20 test.glibc* |
| 05:18:34 | andersee | -rwxr-xr-x 1 andersen andersen 4.4k Mar 11 22:20 test2* |
| 05:18:34 | andersee | -rwxr-xr-x 1 andersen andersen 4.6k Mar 11 22:20 test2.glibc* |
| 05:18:51 | cpenguin | yeah, but then compare the size of the libraries |
| 05:18:57 | andersee | Except when dynamic linking, things actually work. |
| 05:19:23 | prpplague_home | jacques: you've got the radio shit moto right |
| 05:19:45 | andersee | cpenguin: lemme get the lib sizes |
| 05:19:52 | jacques | prpplague_home: hmm? |
| 05:20:17 | prpplague_home | jacques: you've got questions we've got shrugs, radio shack |
| 05:20:17 | BZFlag | andersee: how much text is in the symbol table of an average app? |
| 05:21:43 | andersee | $ (cd /home/andersen/CVS/gcc/gcc/toolchain/lib; ll ld-uClibc-0.9.9.so libuClibc-0.9.9.so libgcc_s.so.0.9.9 libm-0.9.9.so libstdc++.so.9.0.9) |
| 05:21:43 | andersee | -rwxr-xr-x 1 andersen andersen 15k Mar 11 17:37 ld-uClibc-0.9.9.so* |
| 05:21:43 | andersee | -rw-r--r-- 1 andersen andersen 188k Mar 11 10:02 libgcc_s.so.0.9.9 |
| 05:21:43 | andersee | -rw-r--r-- 1 andersen andersen 49k Mar 11 17:37 libm-0.9.9.so |
| 05:21:43 | andersee | -rwxr-xr-x 1 andersen andersen 346k Mar 11 22:24 libstdc++.so.9.0.9* |
| 05:21:45 | andersee | -rw-r--r-- 1 andersen andersen 152k Mar 11 17:37 libuClibc-0.9.9.so |
| 05:21:58 | BZFlag | wonders about huffman encoding all public entry names to uClibc sorted by frequency of usage and adding a #include <huffmantransmations.h> at the top of all the includes. ;-) |
| 05:22:25 | BZFlag | might save another k or 2 on the dynamics? ;-) |
| 05:22:37 | prpplague_home | andersee: that is so nice, it brings a tear to my eye |
| 05:22:43 | cpenguin | reads BZFlag's wonder and didn't understand a single word |
| 05:22:47 | jacques | prpplague_home: heh. :-D |
| 05:22:48 | BZFlag | heh |
| 05:23:52 | andersee | Here is the glibc case: |
| 05:23:54 | andersee | $ (cd /lib; ll ld-2.2.5.so libc-2.2.5.so libgcc_s.so.1 libm-2.2.5.so; cd /usr/lib; ll libstdc++.so.3.0.2) |
| 05:23:54 | andersee | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 90k Feb 4 00:03 ld-2.2.5.so* |
| 05:23:54 | andersee | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1.1M Feb 4 00:03 libc-2.2.5.so* |
| 05:23:54 | andersee | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 26k Dec 21 05:16 libgcc_s.so.1 |
| 05:23:54 | andersee | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 131k Feb 4 00:03 libm-2.2.5.so |
| 05:23:56 | andersee | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 559k Dec 21 05:21 libstdc++.so.3.0.2 |
| 05:23:57 | jacques | I understand 'the' |
| 05:24:12 | jacques | 1.1M ?? |
| 05:24:46 | jacques | there goes > 25% of my tuxscreen flash. I dont think so. |
| 05:25:51 | cpenguin | Looks like an 38% decrease on the libstdc++ |
| 05:26:48 | andersee | cpenguin: not 100% apples to apples though, since the uclibc one is from gcc 3.0.3 |
| 05:26:57 | cpenguin | Still.... |
| 05:27:02 | andersee | still... |
| 05:27:03 | andersee | :) |
| 05:27:28 | cpenguin | Geez - I'm glad that idiot left... :) |
| 05:27:33 | jacques | heh |
| 05:27:42 | jacques | my dsl went down hours ago |
| 05:27:49 | jacques | so my other user is long gone |
| 05:33:32 | cpenguin_home | apparently I can't run two window managers on two screens though... :( |
| 05:33:59 | cpenguin_home | Though that seems to be a window manager issue, not an X issue |
| 05:34:20 | sjm | cpenguin_home: You probably could with two different users logged in |
| 05:36:25 | jacques | cpenguin_home: you should definitely be able to do that |
| 05:36:46 | jacques | cpenguin_home: are you using xinerama? |
| 05:38:34 | jacques | cpenguin_home: which wm are you trying? |
| 05:43:14 | BZFlag | cpenguin_home: without xinerama the second head is 0.1 some window manager will try to grab all heads my default, so you may need to give them a command line option to tell them to stop that. |
| 05:44:02 | BZFlag | I have run multiple wm on multiple heads quite a bit. I got many different wm working that way. |
| 05:46:24 | jacques | yeah, what BZFlag said. |
| 05:46:47 | jacques | i ahve also used dual head quite a bit, but not xinerama |
| 05:59:01 | prpplague_home | hopes his maxim samples arrive soon |
| 06:00:16 | prpplague_home | sjm: cooking up anything fun today? |
| 06:00:34 | sjm | Here in oz, samples maxim usually sends samples from the UK, and they take about 7-10 days |
| 06:01:10 | sjm | prpplague: Nothing terribly exciting, doing PCB layout today... |
| 06:01:32 | prpplague_home | sjm: what PCB app do you use? |
| 06:01:38 | BZFlag | my system at work is ag450 dual w/xinerama and wmaker. |
| 06:01:48 | sjm | prpplague_home: Protel 99SE |
| 06:01:57 | BZFlag | glx/xvideo only works on one head. |
| 06:02:07 | jacques | yeah I hate that |
| 06:02:23 | jacques | i want gl/glx/xvideo on both heads |
| 06:02:33 | jacques | i want equal remdacs for both heads |
| 06:02:38 | jacques | RAMDACs |
| 06:03:00 | BZFlag | ssmit at caldera was running a 6 head system with xinerama for a while. |
| 06:03:06 | prpplague_home | sjm: you done much arm based design? |
| 06:03:18 | BZFlag | jacques: g450 has equal ramdacs. |
| 06:03:34 | sjm | prpplague: Nope. The tux is my first arm platform |
| 06:03:52 | jacques | BZFlag: really? I just read that the 550 does not - 360/230 or somesuch |
| 06:03:55 | BZFlag | sjm: glad to hear it! that's what selling them so cheaply is all about. ;-) |
| 06:04:20 | BZFlag | g400 is not, g450 is. don't know about the g550 |
| 06:04:32 | jacques | of course I also like good 3d which kinda rules out matrox :-\ |
| 06:04:47 | BZFlag | 1800x1440 on dual head 19" is nice. ;-) |
| 06:05:20 | jacques | that does sound nice - what monitors? |
| 06:05:33 | prpplague_home | my boss uses a 57" hitachi for his monitor in his office |
| 06:05:50 | jacques | hmg, what res does that suppoer? |
| 06:06:45 | BZFlag | ADI G910. I normally run 1600x1200 on both though, as that's easier to read on those displays. |
| 06:07:56 | jacques | yeah 16x12 is the limit for me on 19" |
| 06:08:04 | jacques | I havent heard of those monitors |
| 06:09:05 | prpplague_home | sjm: protel looks nice, but for the price, i think i'll stick with linux PCB |
| 06:09:16 | prpplague_home | sjm: lol |
| 06:10:09 | sjm | prpplague_home: I've been using Protel for about 14 years - ever since the first DOS version! |
| 06:10:22 | BZFlag | http://computers.cnet.com/hardware/0-2295747-417-3712575.html |
| 06:11:08 | prpplague_home | sjm: been doing pcb design for that long eh |
| 06:12:00 | sjm | prpplague_home: Longer than that even - I used a few packages before protel came along, and hand taped before that :) |
| 06:13:33 | prpplague_home | is an avid user of perfboard |
| 06:14:21 | prpplague_home | sjm: things have gotten a little too complicated for perf these days |
| 06:14:24 | sjm | getting harder to use these days - thin pitches and balls are hard to mount on perfboard :( |
| 06:14:35 | prpplague_home | sjm: yep |
| 06:14:59 | prpplague_home | sjm: now if i had the tools to do bga packages........ |
| 06:16:10 | sjm | It's getting harder all the time - now even op-amps come in BGA packages. |
| 06:16:47 | jacques | BZFlag: good image quality? |
| 06:17:04 | jacques | BZFlag: flat screen? grill or mask? |
| 06:19:40 | BZFlag | acceptable image quality. one monitor is a touch red. red gun is misaligned |
| 06:19:49 | BZFlag | flat screen. |
| 06:20:16 | BZFlag | bbiab |
| 06:20:34 | jacques | i have 3 sony E200's at home, because they are the only cheap sony's that have decent geometry, etc.they are 17" |
| 06:32:04 | jacques | waits patiently for andersee. :-) |
| 06:32:17 | prpplague_home | scanline: yo |
| 06:32:21 | scanline | hiya |
| 06:34:10 | jacques | hi scanline |
| 06:34:19 | scanline | hi jacques |
| 06:34:32 | scanline | just came back from IRCing on puchuu |
| 06:34:34 | scanline | http://picogui.org/sshotdetail.php?index=63 |
| 06:39:11 | prpplague_home | night |
| 06:39:32 | prpplague_home | needs sleep to deal with morons at work tomorrow |
| 07:18:23 | jacques | i notice buildroot is broken because it cant find the busybox bz2 it wants |
| 07:18:47 | jacques | latest stable snap seems to work |
| 07:21:08 | andersee | I thought I updated that... |
| 07:21:27 | jacques | hmm, well i just checkde out buildroot a few minutes ago |
| 07:22:38 | jacques | build completes with latest busybox stable snap |
| 07:23:24 | andersee | Oops. I forgot to commit a fix... |
| 07:23:34 | andersee | cvs up Makefile and it will work |
| 07:25:59 | jacques | thanks |
| 07:26:53 | jacques | yp it's ge6tting the file now |
| 10:34:59 | scanline | is away: standing in the wet room |
| 11:06:13 | scanline | is away: ZzZzZzzzz |
| 14:50:14 | Morn | is away: atempting (in vain) to organize... |
| 15:25:56 | prpplague | morning all |
| 15:28:22 | eyezz | afternoon here :) |
| 15:28:34 | prpplague | eyezz: must be in EU |
| 15:29:09 | eyezz | im in spain |
| 15:36:14 | CosmicPenguin | morning |
| 15:42:44 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hows the tinyx doing? |
| 15:43:28 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: works like a million bucks |
| 16:13:15 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: easy to compile? |
| 16:15:45 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: Uhh..... would I get fired for talking up the "competition"??? :) |
| 16:23:04 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ohh ya that might be a problem |
| 16:23:10 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: sshhhh |
| 17:09:58 | prpplague | well that was fun |
| 18:07:15 | ssoucek | is back (gone 16:11:01) |
| 18:27:57 | scanline | is back (gone 07:21:44) |
| 18:39:55 | scanline | is away: class |
| 18:48:33 | AlHazWork | Anybody here own a netwinder? |
| 18:52:46 | ctr | is away: bbiab |
| 20:14:27 | andersee | AlHazWork: yup |
| 20:30:14 | scanline | is back (gone 01:50:19) |
| 20:36:28 | scanline | is away: food-like-substances-i-should-get-10-minutes-before-they-close |
| 20:52:54 | AlHazWork | andersee: was going to ask if the cyber2000 framebuffer driver has any setup options at load time, but i obviated the issue by using an old matrox card instead |
| 20:53:06 | AlHazWork | (have a cyberpro 5000 card i was trying to use in a mips board) |
| 20:56:33 | scanline | is back (gone 00:20:06) |
| 20:57:18 | andersee | ahh |
| 20:58:15 | AlHazWork | the kernel was booting up, correctly identifying it, and claiming to set it up, but i had no video output from it |
| 20:58:19 | AlHazWork | *shrug* |
| 22:04:04 | CosmicPenguin | Argh! stupid #($(#$**#$$ libnss crap |
| 22:06:30 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: brand new matchbox screenshots -> http://handhelds.org/~mallum/screenshots/ |
| 22:08:12 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: super sweet... :) |
| 22:08:30 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: thanks ;) |
| 22:08:52 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: heres my fujitsu -> http://www.handhelds.org/~mallum/screenshots/matchbox-0.1.8-Fujitsu-pt510.jpg |
| 22:09:03 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: no touchscreen workey yet though :( |
| 22:09:26 | CosmicPenguin | at least you have a start |
| 22:10:42 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: yeah, X kind of works and wavelan is fine |
| 22:10:58 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: gonna set up a page for it and hopefully get some help... |
| 22:13:58 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: where did you get it? |
| 22:14:12 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: Ebay ~ 100$ |
| 22:15:10 | CosmicPenguin | hmm... |
| 22:16:33 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: AMD dx100, 32Mb, 2 Gig drive, pcmcia .... |
| 22:19:14 | mallum | Is uclibc faster / use less resources than glibc ? |
| 22:21:18 | CosmicPenguin | uses less resources, thats fore sure |
| 22:21:34 | CosmicPenguin | I don't know if it is faster... it definately doesn't feel any slower |
| 22:26:44 | mallum | cool, I gotta try and build gtk against it .... |
| 22:27:08 | mallum | if that works I'd like to try a new image for ipaq |
| 22:31:48 | AlHazWork | so is anyone working on an app for the tuxscreen, for your basic prod-at-the-touchscreen-to-call-someone functionality? |
| 22:33:33 | prpplague | mallum: really nice looking screenshots |
| 22:34:50 | mallum | prpplague: cool, thanks - you had a chance to try yet ? |
| 22:35:01 | prpplague | mallum: heck no |
| 22:35:26 | prpplague | mallum: been working on a stupid battery and rf signal monitor app |
| 22:36:46 | mallum | prpplague: in X ? |
| 22:36:57 | scanline | there's pgtuxphone |
| 22:37:04 | scanline | but it barely works |
| 22:37:09 | scanline | nothing fancy yet |
| 22:37:48 | prpplague | mallum: ya, the management wants a little app that stays in the corner of the webpad's screen that show the 802.11b signal strenght and the battert status |
| 22:39:49 | mallum | prpplague: use miniapm from util dir in matchbox source ...? |
| 22:41:21 | prpplague | mallum: problems is that FIC didn't use the normal apm interface |
| 22:42:18 | mallum | prpplague: ah, well you may be able to pull something out of the source .... shape extension stuff is a little bust in there though |
| 22:52:11 | scanline | is away: lab |
| 22:53:46 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: got a sec? |
| 23:01:39 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: sure ... |
| 23:03:31 | CosmicPenguin | I'm trying to run some x clients on a tinyX server |
| 23:03:50 | CosmicPenguin | And no matter what I set the display to, they always say "Can't open display" |
| 23:03:54 | scanline | is back (gone 00:11:44) |
| 23:04:14 | CosmicPenguin | I tried -display localhost, -display localhost:0 -display localhost:0.0 -display:127.0.01 |
| 23:04:34 | CosmicPenguin | Do you have any top 5 bone head reasons why I can't find my server? |
| 23:05:02 | mallum | have you tried setting the display to 0 ? |
| 23:05:13 | CosmicPenguin | trying it right now |
| 23:05:21 | BZFlag | -display :0 |
| 23:05:23 | mallum | and 0:0 |
| 23:05:31 | BZFlag | or :0.0 |
| 23:05:51 | CosmicPenguin | yep - that worked. My resolv stuff must not be working |
| 23:05:55 | CosmicPenguin | freeking nss |
| 23:06:04 | CosmicPenguin | thanks for humoring me |
| 23:06:15 | BZFlag | tinyx can be configured to not allow tcp connects just pipes. |
| 23:06:33 | BZFlag | so :0 would work, but localhost:0 would not. |
| 23:07:14 | CosmicPenguin | hmmm.... I thought I allowed tcp connects, though.... |
| 23:07:23 | CosmicPenguin | puts on a dunce hat |
| 23:43:49 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: are you running mallum's matchbox with tinyx? |
| 23:53:52 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: no, I'm doing our own thing here..... |
| 23:54:48 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: what are you running tinyx on ? |
| 23:55:16 | CosmicPenguin | Right now, a dorado |
| 23:56:01 | CosmicPenguin | But it will be a DT900: http://www.vtmt.com/html/vt900.html |
| 23:56:31 | CosmicPenguin | We have discovered that it is a fools game to try to do a STB menuing system with a browser, so we are doing our own XML based system |
| 23:57:35 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: cool |
| 23:57:49 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: dont know anything about docbook by chance do you ? |
| 23:59:52 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: don't know a thing. |
