| 00:03:39 | | GoRK was last seen on #tuxscreen 78 days, 22 hours, 5 minutes and 41 seconds ago, saying: hmm it used to be there [Tue Dec 18 01:57:58 2001] |
| 00:03:39 | scanline | ibot: seen GoRK? |
| 00:03:45 | scanline | :( |
| 00:04:59 | prpplague | scanline: wonder what happened to him? |
| 00:05:32 | scanline | prpplague: i've gotten email from him a month or so ago, he was on vacation then they stuck him working on a really big project |
| 00:05:35 | scanline | but that should be done by now |
| 00:06:13 | sjm | He's usually pretty prompt in replying to questions on the mailing list. Same day response. |
| 00:06:35 | prpplague | sjm: howdy |
| 00:06:59 | sjm | prpplague: Hi |
| 00:07:16 | scanline | hmm... |
| 00:07:28 | scanline | sjm: any chance of seeing a PicoGUI version of your chess game soon? |
| 00:07:44 | scanline | sjm: Xentac was trying to port gnuchess to picogui to run it on the Helio, but it's too big |
| 00:07:52 | sjm | shrugs |
| 00:08:21 | sjm | scanline: The GUI part is very simple. But I know nothing about PicoGUI. |
| 00:08:57 | scanline | maybe I'll point Xentac at the project, see if he wants to try porting it... is the AI good? |
| 00:09:38 | sjm | scanline: It varies. Sometimes I beat it convincingly, sometimes it kicks my ass! |
| 00:09:58 | scanline | ok. Still smaller than gnuchess and easier than writing one from scratch :) |
| 00:10:13 | prpplague | sjm: hmm, that sounds like my wife |
| 00:11:18 | CosmicPenguin | is away: Off go spend lots of $$$ |
| 00:11:18 | scanline | wow.. blackout is actually playable in wireframe mode... |
| 00:12:50 | sjm | scanline: See http://home.earthlink.net/~tckjr - the AI has scored in some world championships |
| 00:13:35 | scanline | wow... |
| 00:13:45 | scanline | mails Xentac and ickysneeze a links to it :) |
| 00:24:28 | Russ|werk | prpplague: thanks |
| 00:25:25 | prpplague | Russ|werk: for what? |
| 00:25:53 | Russ|werk | what you said about the PDA |
| 00:26:04 | Russ|werk | I'm a little behind with my xchat buffer |
| 00:26:14 | prpplague | ohh |
| 00:28:09 | prpplague | Russ|werk: i don't nessarily have to use the cir on the uart2, i could hook up some other device such as a max232 right? |
| 00:32:54 | Russ|werk | yup |
| 00:33:52 | prpplague | Russ|werk: but i'd stuff have to buffer it with something like the 74lvc125ad right? |
| 00:36:03 | prpplague | russ_: you sneaking around? |
| 00:36:24 | russ_ | I unplugged my board to double check what transceiver I'm using |
| 00:36:36 | russ_ | but then realized I was connected though it |
| 00:36:53 | russ_ | anyway, you might try a max3223, since its a 3.3V device |
| 00:37:15 | prpplague | ahh that makes sense |
| 00:37:52 | prpplague | russ_: and if i wanted to connect to a pic which is 5v ttl i'd need a buffer still |
| 00:38:13 | russ_ | it depends on which way you are going |
| 00:38:40 | russ_ | a 5V device may accept the 3.3V signals ok, but you don't want to send 5V signals to the sa1100 |
| 00:39:00 | prpplague | russ_: gotcha |
| 00:40:10 | prpplague | Russ|werk: no i think i'd want bi-direction communication so i'd be safe in using 74lvc125 its got 4 buffers so i could do two rx/tx pairs |
| 00:40:34 | prpplague | Russ|werk: bear with me here, i'm typing outloud |
| 00:40:49 | Russ|werk | ? |
| 00:42:08 | prpplague | Russ|werk: i'm just thinking about using a ps/2 keyboard and mouse on the tuxscreen core, there are several designs for pics to interface with at/ps2 devices |
| 00:52:19 | scanline | is away: food or something |
| 00:55:56 | prpplague | russ_: we lose you again? |
| 01:01:32 | prpplague | BZFlag: howdy there |
| 01:02:08 | BZFlag | brb |
| 01:04:17 | prpplague | BZFlag: you happen to know what the three 16-bit transceivers next to the cpu on the tuxscreen board are used for? |
| 01:06:26 | russ_ | prpplague: that one was all cox |
| 01:11:21 | prpplague | russ_: you happen to know what the three 16-bit transceivers next to the cpu on the tuxscreen board are used for? |
| 01:11:58 | Russ|werk | not off the top of my head, but I would guess address/data |
| 01:24:59 | prpplague | Sammy: knee how |
| 01:26:03 | Sammy | Yo prpplague : ) |
| 01:27:48 | scanline | is back (gone 00:35:29) |
| 01:43:35 | prpplague | anyone know where the schematic is for the shancom board? |
| 01:45:38 | prpplague | nm found it |
| 01:58:25 | prpplague | thats odd, digikey doesn't carry max3232 chips |
| 01:59:17 | sjm | 3223? |
| 02:00:34 | andersee | just for the record, I hate tape drive |
| 02:00:51 | prpplague | andersee: lol, dat problems? |
| 02:01:19 | prpplague | sjm: max3232 is 3 volt rs-232 driver |
| 02:02:00 | andersee | yup |
| 02:02:23 | sjm | So is the 3223. Try that |
| 02:02:47 | prpplague | sjm: ohh tanks |
| 02:02:49 | prpplague | thanks |
| 02:03:53 | prpplague | sjm: what the difference between the 3223 and 3232 |
| 02:04:21 | sjm | No idea off the top of my head, but I know the 3223 has auto shutdown |
| 02:05:49 | prpplague | sjm: no luck on that either |
| 02:06:03 | prpplague | sjm: guess i'll have to order one through their vendors |
| 02:06:26 | sjm | You can try and get samples from the maxim web site |
| 02:06:44 | prpplague | sjm: thanks, i'll try that |
| 02:08:12 | sjm | is away: lunch |
| 02:08:47 | Russ|werk | andersee: does uclibc have strptime yet? |
| 02:09:02 | Russ|werk | prpplague: 3223 |
| 02:09:09 | Russ|werk | oh, nm |
| 02:09:25 | Russ|werk | (nm to prpplague) |
| 02:09:39 | Russ|werk | prpplague: maxim has a good engineering sampling program |
| 02:09:41 | Russ|werk | in fact... |
| 02:09:45 | Russ|werk | lemme see... |
| 02:09:50 | andersee | Russ|werk: nope |
| 02:10:08 | andersee | Russ|werk: need it? |
| 02:10:11 | Russ|werk | where did I put those little buggers |
| 02:10:28 | Russ|werk | andersee: ya |
| 02:10:35 | Russ|werk | andersee: parsing a rfc822 date |
| 02:11:05 | andersee | Russ|werk: I have some code I wrote some time ago for doing that. Guess I should merge it... |
| 02:13:32 | andersee | Russ|werk: here is what I have -- fairly close to what you need |
| 02:14:53 | Russ|werk | Connection refused |
| 02:15:09 | andersee | Bah. |
| 02:15:23 | Russ|werk | prpplague: I have a little box from maxim around here somewhere |
| 02:16:06 | Russ|werk | prpplague: maybe I gave it to the board house... |
| 02:18:56 | prpplague | Russ|werk: ya i found the samples section of maxim-ic, think i'll sign up there |
| 02:19:12 | Russ|werk | prpplague: I have a bunch of parts left over |
| 02:19:28 | Russ|werk | mainly descrites |
| 02:19:36 | prpplague | Russ|werk: cool |
| 02:25:07 | prpplague | Russ|werk: have you used you jtag utility on sa-1110 platform yet? |
| 02:25:32 | Russ|werk | prpplague: no, it would need modification, it has a different pin layout |
| 02:25:50 | Russ|werk | I may switch over to rmk's backend, depending on where he is with it |
| 02:26:58 | prpplague | argh, there is some much to learn, so little time |
| 02:31:14 | prpplague | well i'm headed home guys |
| 02:31:47 | prpplague | Russ|werk / GPSFan : thats for the help/education today |
| 02:37:24 | jacques | hi andersee how's it going? |
| 02:37:39 | jacques | I hate tape drives too |
| 02:37:40 | jacques | a lot |
| 02:38:55 | andersee | jacques: going ok I guess. |
| 02:39:18 | jacques | scanline: look at the crafty chess engine |
| 02:39:28 | jacques | scanline: smaller than gnuchess and pretty god |
| 02:39:30 | jacques | good |
| 02:39:40 | jacques | I wanted to port that |
| 02:39:46 | Russ|werk | andersee: using whatever this is compiles and links http://www.mit.edu/afs/sipb/project/hurddev/tb/libc/time/strptime.c |
| 02:39:52 | jacques | andersee: you dont sound convinced |
| 02:40:17 | jacques | andersee: have you had a chance to work on uclibc / toolchain lately? I am available for testing :-) |
| 02:43:29 | andersee | jacques: heh |
| 02:43:37 | andersee | jacques: Very very soon. |
| 02:43:54 | andersee | jacques: I had hoped to get a release out today. Just didn't happen... |
| 02:44:39 | jacques | andersee: that's the way it goes - perfectly natural :-) |
| 02:46:41 | andersee | is currently fighting with this stupid dat tape drive |
| 02:46:53 | andersee | Man is this thing LOUD |
| 02:48:26 | jacques | i wasted 3 weeks fighting with a tape library |
| 02:48:29 | jacques | for backups |
| 02:48:52 | jacques | we finially decided to use a PC with 3 drive docks and backup to hard disks |
| 02:49:00 | jacques | much much better |
| 02:51:12 | jacques | well there goes my dsl down again |
| 03:28:42 | jacques | wow my dsl recovered for once |
| 04:31:00 | captain_proton | scanline: alive? |
| 04:31:36 | scanline | yup |
| 04:31:41 | scanline | wazzup? |
| 04:31:48 | captain_proton | i noticed you started a bzflag server |
| 04:31:54 | captain_proton | getting into it? |
| 04:32:27 | scanline | hehe. I still suck, but it's fun |
| 04:32:36 | captain_proton | any interest in hacking at it? ;) |
| 04:32:50 | scanline | some of us from #picogui wanted to play bzflag, so i set up a server.. and it got pretty full quickly |
| 04:32:53 | scanline | actually, yes |
| 04:33:02 | scanline | i've just started getting into OpenGL programming |
| 04:33:28 | captain_proton | i have some friends here at cu who play but i can't get any of them to start hacking at it |
| 04:33:33 | scanline | hehe |
| 04:33:46 | scanline | you can see my opengl hacking so far at picogui.org |
| 04:33:58 | scanline | i spent a few days hacking an opengl-based video driver into picogui |
| 04:34:11 | captain_proton | nifty |
| 04:37:36 | captain_proton | whoopsies |
| 04:39:12 | captain_proton | so - scanline - care to join #bzflag? ;) |
| 04:39:19 | scanline | hehe, sure |
| 04:49:11 | scanline | is away: homework |
| 06:26:49 | sjm | good night all |
| 06:41:41 | byron | hello and good evening =) |
| 06:43:28 | byron | have a quick question: how do you run an app that has been hosted to the tuxscreen? |
| 06:44:42 | jacques | hosted? |
| 06:44:53 | byron | uploaded via serial |
| 06:45:26 | jacques | what does it do when you try to execute it? |
| 06:45:36 | jacques | you are logged into the tuxscreen? |
| 06:45:45 | byron | i get a msg 'no such file or directory' |
| 06:46:01 | jacques | now we are getting somewhere |
| 06:46:13 | jacques | is it there if you do 'ls' ? |
| 06:46:20 | byron | yes |
| 06:46:30 | jacques | what happens when you do './foo' |
| 06:46:34 | jacques | where foo is the app name |
| 06:46:44 | byron | that gives the msg |
| 06:46:51 | jacques | is it a script? |
| 06:46:59 | jacques | could be the interpreter is not there |
| 06:47:28 | byron | it is the checkers app from flnx compiled using a toolchain for the arm and microwin |
| 06:49:22 | jacques | what happens when you do 'ldd foo' |
| 06:50:07 | byron | very good =) it shows that libm.so.6 and libc.so.6 are not found |
| 06:50:22 | byron | now .. how to fix that? |
| 06:51:40 | jacques | you need to compile against uClibc |
| 06:51:46 | jacques | instead of glibc |
| 06:51:59 | jacques | download (cvs) the buildroot-tux and make it |
| 06:52:09 | jacques | then use the gcc wrapper in there to compile your app |
| 06:52:38 | jacques | the tux dist does not use glibc - it uses the much smaller uClibc |
| 06:52:54 | byron | excellent .. thank you very much .. will try that =) |
| 07:52:43 | jacques | byron: let me know if you have further issues :-) |
| 07:57:05 | byron | finished downloading buildroot...it is running the install script as we speak. Thanks |
| 08:45:28 | byron | jacques: the script was unsuccessful.. the mtd snapshot 20020102 was not on the server.. tried several other snapshots.. also, the uClibc would not compile.. |
| 08:45:54 | jacques | byron: :-\ sometimes there are issues with biuldroot-tux |
| 08:45:59 | jacques | byron: let me try it |
| 08:46:16 | byron | with error '.previous without corresponding .section' |
| 09:30:32 | byron | any luck? |
| 09:50:15 | jacques | byron: I'm compiling now |
| 09:50:28 | jacques | byron: we have had mtd snap problems before |
| 09:50:39 | jacques | byron: also, which toolchain are you using? |
| 09:55:15 | jacques | byron: ok, it worked for me but I already had everything (like mtd snap) downloaded from days ago |
| 09:56:41 | jacques | byron: looks like the mtd snap is your main problem |
| 10:14:11 | Sammy | brb |
| 15:26:45 | CosmicPenguin | Good morning |
| 15:32:39 | prpplague | morning all |
| 16:02:49 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: good morning |
| 16:04:37 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: mornig |
| 16:04:49 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: you read the little embedded paper at ibm |
| 16:05:05 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: nothing to endepth, but interesting non the less |
| 16:05:07 | CosmicPenguin | I did |
| 16:05:17 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: what did you think? |
| 16:05:18 | CosmicPenguin | Its a good non technical comparison, IMHO |
| 16:05:32 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea i'd agree |
| 16:05:57 | CosmicPenguin | Now anybody pushing any of the three guis could just point at the paper and say: "See, this is what IBM thinks" |
| 16:06:07 | prpplague | lol |
| 16:06:13 | CosmicPenguin | Thats like showing somebody an article about the economy from Alan Greenspan |
| 16:08:24 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: lol, ya i can see my mother-in-law understanding how to interpret GDP numbers |
| 16:11:20 | CosmicPenguin | Maybe its a bad thing that embedded linux is getting to be so easy |
| 16:15:16 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: well, thats kinda what the paper i'm submitting to the UKUUG conference is about, everyone is getting into doing embedded linux, but everyone is still treating it as a miniture desktop when it comes the to the UI |
| 16:16:54 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: thats my number one complaint.... |
| 16:17:44 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: embedded devices are directed more often than not towards ppl who are not techies, therfor special consideration needs to put forward into developing inteligent interfaces for non-inteligent users |
| 16:18:51 | CosmicPenguin | Which is why Palm was so successful |
| 16:18:54 | CosmicPenguin | IMHO |
| 16:19:05 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: sound like a good topic for the conference? |
| 16:19:23 | CosmicPenguin | And which is why PocketPC passed the cool geek tool test, but it didn't break into the real lucritive markets |
| 16:19:25 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i agree about palm |
| 16:19:31 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: that sounds like a good idea |
| 16:19:58 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: would it be a session you'd attend? (if you were going) |
| 16:20:19 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: Yes. Of course, thats my field, but it still sounds interesting |
| 16:21:30 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: well i feel like thats were i have my most experience since i have to develop UI's for some of the most non-computer literate ppl in the US, hardware and lumber companies |
| 16:21:53 | CosmicPenguin | lol |
| 16:46:56 | prpplague | boodle: howdy |
| 16:47:12 | prpplague | boodle: doing any more "manual" modifications today? |
| 16:47:22 | boodle | prpplague: hi |
| 16:47:33 | boodle | prpplague: sorry? not following.. |
| 16:48:11 | prpplague | boodle: just joking around about the cf-i to cf-ii conversion you did |
| 16:49:07 | boodle | prpplague: ah, heh no.. looks like my j720 has a fsck'd headphone jack :( now working on creating a set a ipkgs for gcc |
| 16:49:46 | prpplague | boodle: cool, you know i'd love the j720 if it had a 640x480 screen |
| 16:50:27 | boodle | prpplague: yea but realistically, it wouldn't be as convenient to carry around.. but yes more screen realestate always nice |
| 16:51:11 | prpplague | boodle: its just that i need to interface with a ton of legacy 80x24 apps and the j720 screen just doesn't do the job |
| 16:52:17 | boodle | prpplague: not even virtual terming the desktop perhaps |
| 16:52:46 | boodle | hrm.. actually I got get around 27 lines (and easily 80 width) in rxvt with it |
| 16:52:53 | boodle | s/got/do/ |
| 16:54:12 | boodle | http://handhelds.org/~gberenfield/Jornada/pics/screenshot1.jpg |
| 16:54:16 | boodle | start counting :) |
| 16:54:41 | prpplague | 22 |
| 16:54:56 | prpplague | but with the right wm setting you could get those extra 2 |
| 16:55:04 | boodle | yea.. I need to do an updated shot.. I've fooled with fonts quite a bit.. |
| 16:55:30 | boodle | prpplague: yes, and I still want fb console (no x) which should get you there (currently doesn't work for some reason) |
| 16:55:47 | prpplague | boodle: hmm i wonder why i could never get that number of lines on that j720 |
| 16:56:12 | boodle | under wince though, right? |
| 16:56:44 | prpplague | boodle: ya when we got it we just did some quick tests under winblows ce |
| 16:57:51 | boodle | prpplague: well there you are then ;) seriously, with aa and the right fonts, it's certainly possible.. I wonder if ion or matchbox have a fullscreen mode for any app.. |
| 16:58:53 | prpplague | boodle: i believe from the docs i read about matchbox it does |
| 16:59:06 | boodle | prpplague: cool, I need to try it |
| 16:59:28 | prpplague | boodle: i've yet to get it compiled for my x86 box for testing |
| 16:59:40 | prpplague | boodle: i'm going to work on it this weekend |
| 16:59:57 | prpplague | mallum: no offense intended |
| 17:00:14 | prpplague | mallum: probably user error on my part |
| 17:00:46 | mallum | prpplague: no problem :) |
| 17:00:49 | prpplague | boodle: is that dillo you are using |
| 17:00:55 | boodle | prpplague: yep |
| 17:01:04 | mallum | prpplague: please tell me how you get on, I want it to work for every body..... |
| 17:01:05 | boodle | prpplague: eventually I'll see if galeon possible |
| 17:01:23 | mallum | boodle: man, I want a jordana ! |
| 17:01:41 | boodle | mallum: :) yea me too! (shipped back to hp for headphone jack fix ;) |
| 17:02:22 | mallum | boodle: matchbox should work ok on it, might no be as good as a usual wm, cos its got quite a bit of screen space .... |
| 17:02:27 | boodle | they are pricey.. once I scoured e-bay and saw them in the $500-600 USD range |
| 17:03:09 | boodle | mallum: if there's a way to adjust that, that'd be great (feature request ;) but if it can allow apps to go fullscreen (e.g. rxvt-aa) that'd be worth it alone. |
| 17:03:40 | boodle | mallum: maybe a keycode to toggle fullscreen for current app window. |
| 17:04:09 | mallum | boodle: yeah it has keyboard shortcuts for navigation |
| 17:04:17 | boodle | mallum: ok great |
| 17:05:12 | | somebody said matchbox was a X11 window manager for handheld devices. Its available from the familiar unstable feed or in source or deb form from http://handhelds.org/~mallum/matchbox |
| 17:05:12 | mallum | ibot: matchbox |
| 17:05:21 | mallum | boodle: theres a readme there |
| 17:05:45 | mallum | boodle: did you do the 720 port ? |
| 17:05:55 | boodle | mallum: ok, great.. once I get 720 back I'll try it |
| 17:06:12 | boodle | mallum: no, hplabs. more specifically, jca |
| 17:06:19 | | i guess jornada is The jornada 720 is a strongarm-based hpc. See http://handhelds.org/~gberenfield/Jornada/ for more information. |
| 17:06:19 | boodle | ibot: jornada |
| 17:07:03 | mallum | boodle: does it have a built in flash slot ? |
| 17:07:31 | prpplague | boodle: jca does nice work |
| 17:08:34 | boodle | is away: phone (brb) |
| 17:10:43 | boodle | is back (gone 00:02:16) |
| 17:10:48 | boodle | prpplague: very much so :) |
| 17:11:08 | mallum | I have a really crap day today |
| 17:11:11 | boodle | mallum: pcmcia slot, smartcard slot (fwiw), and cf I slot easily hackable for type II for udrive |
| 17:11:19 | mallum | everything has broke |
| 17:11:42 | mallum | boodle: it has pcmcia and cf slot ? |
| 17:11:51 | boodle | mallum: yepper :) |
| 17:12:00 | boodle | mallum: wireless and at 1gb :) |
| 17:12:23 | mallum | boodle: oooh thats nice, I have 1gb and wirless card .... |
| 17:12:33 | mallum | boodle: I could run my mail off that .... |
| 17:12:42 | boodle | mallum: yepper. mutt works fairly well |
| 17:12:55 | mallum | boodle: there still pretty pricey though right ? |
| 17:12:57 | boodle | http://handhelds.org/~gberenfield/Jornada/pics/screenshot4.jpg |
| 17:13:08 | boodle | they are pricey.. once I scoured e-bay and saw them in the $500-600 USD range |
| 17:13:49 | boodle | mallum: but retail still around 800-900 |
| 17:15:55 | mallum | boodle: yeah :( |
| 17:16:20 | mallum | OK a pint to who ever can figure this out ..... |
| 17:16:34 | mallum | I have autoconf scripts for matchbox |
| 17:16:51 | mallum | theres an ipkg target and its script has a line like this; |
| 17:17:27 | mallum | DESTDIR=`pwd`/build make strip-install -C ../../ |
| 17:17:40 | mallum | now that line working fine when I build on x86 |
| 17:17:47 | mallum | but when I build on my arm machine |
| 17:18:02 | mallum | DESTDIR is _not_ read by the makefile !! |
| 17:18:12 | mallum | also the line after that is like |
| 17:18:28 | mallum | ./ipkg-build ./ ./build |
| 17:18:36 | mallum | ipkg-build is in my path |
| 17:18:55 | mallum | yet that aswell fails on the arm machine, complaining it cant fint ipkg-build |
| 17:19:02 | mallum | yet it can fine from the command line] |
| 17:20:58 | boodle | mallum: what shell on your arm-machine? |
| 17:21:14 | boodle | export DESTDIR='pwd' maybe..? |
| 17:21:26 | mallum | shell is bash too |
| 17:21:33 | mallum | both machines debian unstable |
| 17:21:43 | mallum | updated at the same time |
| 17:21:54 | mallum | its so wierd |
| 17:22:15 | boodle | could be a debian-arm autoconf problem.. |
| 17:22:28 | boodle | you might want to check bugs.debian.org on it |
| 17:28:03 | mallum | yeah autoconf is such a f**king nightmare |
| 17:28:19 | mallum | every version seems to be totally incompatible with the last |
| 17:28:34 | prpplague | boodle: you know jca very well? |
| 17:29:23 | prpplague | holy cow, the all powerful BZFlag has arrived |
| 17:29:42 | boodle | prpplague: not really, just bugged him about j720 linux for a long time |
| 17:30:10 | prpplague | boodle: ya he's helped me with some of the original code for the omnimeter |
| 17:30:51 | boodle | prpplague: ah ok. About 1.5 years ago now, he told me of his/mit's plans to supoprt j720 similarly to omnimeter. now with hplabs he is :) |
| 17:31:00 | mallum | boodle: I just offered a guy 300 quid for a 720 via ebay |
| 17:31:08 | mallum | boodle: worth a try I guess ..... |
| 17:31:10 | boodle | mallum: cool! good luck :) |
| 17:31:18 | prpplague | BZFlag: i was running late with criters to school, so i forgot to get my cc from the "command sergant major" |
| 17:31:36 | prpplague | BZFlag: i'll have to order tomorrow |
| 17:32:09 | prpplague | mallum: that'd be nice if you get it for 300 |
| 17:35:56 | BZFlag | prpplague: fine, it'll just ship tuesday next week if received after like 7pm tonight. (MST) |
| 17:36:57 | prpplague | BZFlag: i'm sure you know how it it |
| 17:37:17 | BZFlag | yep. |
| 17:43:57 | | Russ|werk was last seen on #tuxscreen 15 hours, 4 minutes and 11 seconds ago, saying: andersee: using whatever this is compiles and links http://www.mit.edu/afs/sipb/project/hurddev/tb/libc/time/strptime.c [Thu Mar 7 02:39:46 2002] |
| 17:43:57 | prpplague | ibot: seen Russ|werk |
| 17:44:01 | | Russ was last seen on #blob 1 days, 1 hours, 26 minutes and 16 seconds ago, saying: wonder what WeirdArms wanted [Wed Mar 6 16:17:45 2002] |
| 17:44:01 | prpplague | ibot: seen Russ |
| 17:51:23 | prpplague | AlHazWork: morning |
| 18:04:27 | prpplague | anyone used the techniks press-n-peel stuff? |
| 18:28:12 | prpplague | grinds his teeth after talking to earthlcd.com |
| 18:28:31 | prpplague | signal11: howdy |
| 18:29:10 | signal11 | how's it going |
| 18:29:23 | signal11 | i finally got rh 7.2 working |
| 18:31:12 | prpplague | signal11: not bad, just getting ready to do some pcb etching |
| 18:31:40 | signal11 | sounds fun |
| 18:32:38 | AlHazWork | found a bug in javascript onSubmit in opera (all versions) and konq 2.2.2 today . . . |
| 18:32:40 | signal11 | i don't work with enough hardware, sadly |
| 18:33:01 | signal11 | AlHazWork: exploitable, or just an annoying bug |
| 18:33:07 | AlHazWork | signal11: just annoying |
| 18:33:21 | AlHazWork | ebay's search page is broken w/ it |
| 18:33:51 | AlHazWork | since opera's gone to all the trouble to have an open beta, maybe they'll take the time to fix it |
| 18:33:58 | AlHazWork | so far, they don't believe me when i tell them there's a bug |
| 18:34:02 | AlHazWork | they're in "Works fine here!" mode |
| 18:34:48 | ctr | AlHazWork: yeah i have had some issues |
| 18:35:02 | AlHazWork | ctr: but if i tell opera to identify as some other browser, it works fine |
| 18:35:21 | AlHazWork | I don't think konq's javascript filter rules work properly, tho |
| 18:35:29 | CosmicPenguin | AlHazWork: some other browser, such as M$, or just some other browser (such as mozilla) |
| 18:35:34 | AlHazWork | if js is enabled globally but disabled for ebay.com, konq is still broke |
| 18:35:44 | AlHazWork | have to disable javascript globally |
| 18:36:01 | AlHazWork | CosmicPenguin: I only tried telling it to identify as mozilla 5 |
| 18:36:10 | CosmicPenguin | well, at least that worked |
| 18:36:11 | AlHazWork | I can go fiddle around and see which ones work |
| 18:36:26 | CosmicPenguin | couldn't get TigerDirect to work yesterday with mozilla or konq |
| 18:36:42 | AlHazWork | Right now, my money is on never again hearing from the opera rep who said he couldn't reproduce the error |
| 18:36:57 | AlHazWork | and on the bug persisting at release time |
| 18:37:05 | prpplague | says "you might be stressed if its 12:30 and you already need a beer" |
| 18:37:07 | AlHazWork | <-- experienced QA goon |
| 18:38:08 | prpplague | AlHazWork: mozilla is doesn't work with some firmware releases of linksys devices that use web configuration |
| 18:40:12 | AlHazWork | Yeah, any "identify as" other than Opera works for the ebay 'smart search' page |
| 18:42:14 | AlHazWork | I'm even corresponding with him from work |
| 18:42:29 | AlHazWork | which you'd hope would mean something to 'em, since we're allegedly business partners |
| 18:43:19 | AlHazWork | and allegedly funded by a lot of the same investors |
| 18:53:18 | AlHazWork | still, my money is on never hearing about it again |
| 18:53:26 | AlHazWork | and having to live with the bug forever |
| 18:54:32 | AlHazWork | Serves me right for browsing with "identify as Opera" set |
| 18:59:09 | prpplague | argh, i can't seem to get the new version of pcb installed |
| 19:11:04 | CosmicPenguin | is away: Lunchtime |
| 19:39:14 | Russ | prpplague: yes? |
| 19:39:18 | Russ | you need help with pcb? |
| 19:42:47 | prpplague | Russ: i've forgot what i need |
| 19:42:51 | prpplague | Russ: doh |
| 19:42:58 | Russ | prpplague: do you have 1.99c |
| 19:45:59 | prpplague | Russ: 1.6.3p |
| 19:46:07 | Russ | I'll send you 1.99c |
| 19:46:11 | Russ | what's your email |
| 19:46:26 | | well, prpplague is mailto:dave123@abcsinc.com |
| 19:46:26 | prpplague | ibot: prpplague |
| 19:51:30 | Russ | prpplague: you might also want http://russ.dhs.org/pcb_logo.html |
| 19:53:28 | prpplague | Russ: thanks |
| 19:54:40 | Russ | btw, don't trust any example symbols, check them first |
| 19:56:04 | prpplague | Russ: ok i'll keep that in mind |
| 19:56:24 | prpplague | Russ: i'll get with you monday on shipping the camion unit |
| 19:59:29 | prpplague | mallum: wb |
| 20:01:21 | mallum | prpplague: ello' guv |
| 20:06:34 | Russ | prpplague: I won't be here monday (spring break) |
| 20:10:02 | prpplague | Russ: spring break? you still in school? |
| 20:10:21 | Russ | ya, last semester |
| 20:10:37 | prpplague | Russ: ahh, i wish i could go back to school |
| 20:13:55 | cpenguin_lunch | is back (gone 01:02:51) |
| 20:14:50 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: anything good for lunch? |
| 20:15:41 | prpplague | Russ: you want me to wait a week before we send the unit to you? |
| 20:16:06 | Russ | I'll be back on thursday |
| 20:16:47 | prpplague | Russ: ok i'll get with you then |
| 20:17:19 | Russ | I could just give you my address info now, and you could ship it monday |
| 20:18:46 | prpplague | Russ: ok, just drop me another email |
| 20:51:50 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: Skool Lunch.... :) The best sandwich in the SLC valley |
| 21:07:33 | prpplague | howdy there julie__ |
| 21:07:48 | Morn | hi |
| 21:08:20 | AlHazWork | Hi |
| 21:08:59 | AlHazWork | don't forget to rev your openssh servers today. root 'sploit. |
| 21:09:43 | CosmicPenguin | Man, HP sure makes you work to get its printers supported correctly |
| 21:09:50 | CosmicPenguin | Must make you appreciate them more, or something |
| 21:09:54 | AlHazWork | CosmicPenguin: Even in windows |
| 21:12:53 | CosmicPenguin | I did my research before buying... www.linuxprinting.org said everything worked great and even had instructions for setting up the HP sponsored driver |
| 21:13:11 | CosmicPenguin | However, the HP sponsored driver failed to mention the HP sponsored project that actually made the USB work |
| 21:13:19 | AlHazWork | HP sees linux as a hip thing that might save their bacon |
| 21:13:23 | AlHazWork | they're not serious about it |
| 21:13:57 | CosmicPenguin | So I spent a long time trying to figure out why data went to /dev/usb/lp0 and didn't end up on the other side |
| 21:15:12 | AlHazWork | I'd forgotten openssh's configure script doesn't pick up some stuff on debian/sparc. feh. |
| 21:19:33 | AlHazWork | debian does use pam, doesn't it? |
| 21:21:01 | AlHazWork | damn headers were missing . . . |
| 21:22:50 | AlHazWork | . . . suits sure ask weird questions . . . gigabit ethernet on an arm7tdmi board w/ uclinux . . . . |
| 21:24:18 | AlHazWork | sure, all you'd need is an arm7tdmi board with a 64 bit pci slot . . . |
| 21:24:26 | scanline | is back (gone 16:35:16) |
| 21:24:51 | AlHazWork | great, now apt isn't working . . . |
| 21:38:42 | [trebb] | Heya, BZFlag... Got my TuxScreen today, thanks! |
| 21:38:43 | [trebb] | That was less than two weeks to germany! |
| 21:38:45 | [trebb] | Good service :) |
| 21:41:02 | AlHazWork | that's pretty fast |
| 21:41:02 | AlHazWork | someone in canada mailed me a short cable in a padded envelope over two weeks ago and I'm still waiting . . |
| 21:41:03 | AlHazWork | (I'm in the US) |
| 21:42:02 | [trebb] | Yes, and Iexpected tax/vat hassle, but no prob. at all.. |
| 21:43:02 | AlHazWork | yeah |
| 21:43:19 | AlHazWork | US customs probably has my video cable stuffed into a spectrometer to search for radioactive isotopes or somethin g |
| 21:44:20 | AlHazWork | either that or in six weeks I'll get an empty, tattered, ink-saturated padded envelope and a letter of apology explaining that my package was a statistic |
| 21:44:28 | [trebb] | Yeah, I guess it's more difficult to get something inside the USA than outside... Now I've got to build tux a new home at the weekend.. :) |
| 21:45:21 | AlHazWork | (I actually had that happen once) |
| 21:45:30 | [trebb] | s/outside/out of |
| 21:45:35 | AlHazWork | Yeah |
| 21:47:26 | [trebb] | I want to make it a portable webpad... not the most exotic use I guess :) |
| 21:59:54 | sjm | morning all |
| 22:00:52 | [trebb] | morning (23:00 here) |
| 22:01:31 | sjm | prpplague: I have used press-n-peel, I didn't have much sucess with thin tracks (less than about 20 mil) |
| 22:12:27 | AlHazWork | there, sshd upgraded. finally. |
| 22:20:00 | prpplague | sjm: cool, i plan to order some later this week |
| 22:32:08 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: didn't you say you bought a breakout board for IDE once? |
| 22:37:16 | BZFlag | [trebb]: cool! thanx for the order! |
| 22:38:28 | BZFlag | http://www.iptel-now.de/HOWTO/TUXPAD/tuxpad.html |
| 22:52:21 | byron | hello .. i am having trouble getting the mtd portion of the buildroot-tux to install .. |
| 22:52:32 | AlHazWork | what sort of trouble? |
| 22:53:05 | byron | specifically the mtd/util/compr_zlib.c .. it could not find zlib.h .. i placed mtd/fs/jffs2/zlib.h in the path but get another error |
| 22:53:55 | byron | this error is in the cc -o line at the end .. it can not find -lz .. any ideas? |
| 22:55:07 | AlHazWork | dunno, actually |
| 22:55:14 | AlHazWork | i haven't hit that one |
| 22:56:20 | byron | the current buildroot-tux looks for the 20020102 snapshot of mtd .. but that is not present on the server, so i have tried most of the ones present from 20020202 thru 20020306 .. none of them compiled for me =) |
| 22:56:58 | byron | from 20020207 back it can not find pushpull.c .. from 200208 forward it can not find the zlib.h file |
| 22:58:01 | CosmicPenguin | We don't automagically build libz, do we? |
| 22:59:27 | prpplague | [trebb]: i too am working on making a portable tuxpad |
| 22:59:41 | AlHazWork | that's true, it links against your local libz |
| 23:02:08 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: no, i've not gotten a breakout box for IDE |
| 23:02:31 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i assume you a breakoutbox for wiring ide hard drives? |
| 23:03:58 | CosmicPenguin | yeah - so I can hack on a HD without opening up my case |
| 23:07:49 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: pc case? |
| 23:08:24 | AlHazWork | you mean one of those non-hot-swappable trays? |
| 23:39:38 | Moppet | byron: not sure how helpful this is, but mtd 20020301 builds fine for me. It does still have zlib in it (for better or worse). |
| 23:42:36 | AlHazWork | 'course it has zlib in it, how else are you going to make a jffs2 fs? |
| 23:43:20 | Moppet | The kernel likely already has zlib. |
| 23:43:40 | Moppet | (recent x86 kernels have tended to have several copies, in fact) |
| 23:45:04 | CosmicPenguin | Yeah, but thats not a userland -lz |
| 23:45:36 | AlHazWork | and it shouldn't be a userland -lz |
| 23:46:00 | AlHazWork | what was it that alan cox said? "The kernel is not a shit-bucket for user functions"? |
| 23:47:13 | AlHazWork | Moppet: mtd includes the mkfs for jffs2, which needs zlib in order to compress things |
| 23:47:29 | AlHazWork | so, in order to build it, you need the headers that correspond to your zlib |
| 23:47:35 | Moppet | Or mtd-tools. |
| 23:47:39 | AlHazWork | many, arguably all, distributions, won't include this by default |
| 23:48:17 | AlHazWork | you misunderstand, buildroot-tux builds mtd tools for you. stable packages may not include all the right bits |
| 23:48:23 | AlHazWork | buildroot-tux uses a bleeding edge snapshot |
| 23:48:58 | Moppet | Ah, I see. |
| 23:50:30 | byron | using the 3/2 snapshot i still get the missing zlib.h .. tyring to figure this out =) |
| 23:50:41 | Moppet | skipping back to the original comment, mtd-20020301 does still include a copy for both kernel and userspace. |
| 23:50:44 | AlHazWork | byron: try |
| 23:50:51 | AlHazWork | byron: try "find /user -name zlib.h" |
| 23:50:55 | AlHazWork | er |
| 23:50:57 | AlHazWork | /usr |
| 23:51:21 | Moppet | er, nevermind |
| 23:51:45 | Moppet | this is a wrapper, not the implementation |
| 23:52:59 | AlHazWork | byron: I'm guessing you don't have the development package for zlib installed on your system. You need it. |
| 23:53:11 | Moppet | So yes, you'll require your host distro's zlib-dev. |
| 23:53:36 | byron | ahh .. gotcha .. nothing under /usr/ for zlib.h .. will install |
