| 00:00:13 | CosmicPenguin | Yep, SnapGear is entirely owned by Lineo |
| 00:00:26 | CosmicPenguin | Everyone is, around these parts |
| 00:03:12 | scanline | is away: pseudo-foodlike-edible-substances i think |
| 00:06:22 | prpplague | ok, anyone else here think we need to add about 6 more hours to each day? |
| 00:12:07 | CosmicPenguin | Thats why they invented sleep deprivation |
| 00:12:11 | CosmicPenguin | gotta go |
| 00:12:19 | prpplague | later |
| 00:12:23 | CosmicPenguin | is away: What, spell bolor with a k? kolor? |
| 00:15:23 | BZFlag | cpenguin_work: snapgear is not entirely owned by lineo anymore. like 20% officially now. |
| 00:15:41 | BZFlag | qt has been a canopy company for quite some time now. |
| 00:16:07 | BZFlag | well, tt. but you knew what I meant |
| 00:17:25 | prpplague | BZFlag: that new ip phone ref design sure sounds nice, we have cisco ip phones here, i've been meaning to load linux on one but i've not had time |
| 00:28:34 | scanline | is back (gone 00:25:21) |
| 00:31:19 | BZFlag | prpplague: has someone ported linux to em? |
| 00:31:57 | prpplague | BZFlag: ya there was a company that did, but before they got too far, cisco bought them out and closed them down |
| 00:34:42 | prpplague | BZFlag: http://www.vovida.com/ |
| 00:58:40 | prpplague | anyway have a preference of mailman or majordomo as a mail list manager? |
| 01:42:31 | Sammy | hello all |
| 02:07:18 | ssoucek | is away: giving in to the jet lag ... |
| 04:29:37 | CosmicPenguin | evening all |
| 04:31:04 | sjm | waves |
| 04:33:33 | andersee | Evening |
| 04:35:48 | andersee | is back (gone 07:58:01) |
| 05:07:29 | jacques | hi andersee |
| 05:09:01 | andersee | hi |
| 06:25:39 | sjm | Goodnight all, heading home... |
| 08:06:47 | Morn | is away: crashing, burning and dreaming bits of java code... |
| 11:17:21 | prh | is away: I'm busy |
| 11:17:41 | prh | is back (gone 00:00:02) |
| 11:17:59 | prh | is away: I'm busy |
| 11:18:15 | prh | is back (gone 00:00:02) |
| 11:40:48 | scanline | is away: ZzZzZzzzzzzz |
| 15:24:08 | prpplague | morning all |
| 15:25:10 | cpenguin_work | is back (gone 15:12:45) |
| 15:26:20 | CosmicPenguin | good morning |
| 15:30:57 | prpplague | TomW_: morning |
| 15:31:23 | prpplague | TomW_: are going to start being a regular around the "ever insightful" #tuxscreen? |
| 15:31:28 | TomW_ | .. I think so too, mind is foggy and hasn't fully engaged yet... |
| 15:32:16 | TomW_ | prpplague: Being a consultant, I miss not having social contact with "peers" like you get when working at a company. |
| 15:33:18 | prpplague | TomW_: what "peers"? i'm out on a 3800 acre ranch |
| 15:33:52 | prpplague | TomW_: but i understand what ya mean |
| 15:36:03 | TomW_ | prpplague: I {went,bumbled my way} into consulting about 7 years ago. The really interesting thing is that a lot of social / intellenctual interaction that I used to get with my coworkers has been replaced by contact with other engineers over the internet. It really is a community. |
| 15:39:07 | prpplague | TomW_: i'm based out of east texas, not exactly a high tech area, so all of my interaction has always been electronic, starting back with bbs |
| 15:39:28 | prpplague | was the first in his city to have 1200 baud modem |
| 15:39:30 | TomW_ | prpplague: I was looking over the mail this morning and saw the discussion on the TuxScreen list about the GPIOs and J602. I have J602 wired up to a perf board (http://www.openhardware.net/TuxScreen/StrongARM-perf.html) but have yet to build a driver to run the latches. |
| 15:40:31 | prpplague | TomW_: nice |
| 15:41:32 | TomW_ | prpplague: I am wondering if the schematic I pulled off the Wiki site is accurate on the wiring of J602, I am almost tempted to pull the CPU card off the perf board and check out the signal wirings. But, there is only so many insertions that those box connectors will take before they begin to fail... |
| 15:42:28 | prpplague | TomW_: i can't remember who developed most of the schematics, but as i recall they have been accurate |
| 15:43:41 | TomW_ | prpplague: That is what I hoped. It looked that someone had spent some significant time tracing down the electronics. Too bad that they did the stuff in OrCad and not in Eagle. |
| 15:44:43 | TomW_ | prpplague: Where are you? Wyoming? |
| 15:48:46 | GPSFan | prpplague: it was me that did the schematics, and yes they took a LOT of time, many rev's. I can't guarantee absolute accuracy, there have been few corrections, so far. As to Eagle vs Orcad, I used what I had and knew how to operate., I did take some shortcuts in places like the LCD interconnect, but trying to reverse engineer a board while also trying to keep it working afterward was somewhat of a challenge. BTW it still works just fine. ;>) |
| 15:51:52 | TomW_ | GPSFan: I know exactly what you went through, I have also reverse engineered hardware in the past. As to OrCad, that is such an expensive package that not many independants / hobbists have access to it. I only mentioned Eagle as it is available as a free download (restricted capabilities) and would have allowed others to build on the schematics as needed. |
| 15:52:08 | prpplague | TomW_: i'm about 2 hours outside of dallas |
| 15:52:44 | TomW_ | Interesting, my soon to be sister-in-law is from Texas, I think she is from the Houston area. |
| 15:53:17 | prpplague | TomW_: is that a custom board your building or is that something you got from GPSFan |
| 15:53:37 | prpplague | Morn: morning |
| 15:53:51 | prpplague | Morn: destroyed your other phone yet? |
| 15:54:06 | Morn | is it? |
| 15:54:09 | Morn | no, but I'm trying to void the waranty on my cell phone |
| 15:56:31 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: It looks like your Matchbox is becoming a fairly large project... :) |
| 15:56:46 | GPSFan | TomW_: I have an older rev of Orcad that I "acquired" after the company I used to work for decided to not bother letting engineers do schematics & test board layouts. I started with Orcad SDT, than SDT386, then Capture for Win. I still have and use PCB386. At the time Orcad was a fairly low priced solution, that worked. Today they trully suck. |
| 15:56:50 | CosmicPenguin | TomW_: What, you bad mouthing Wyoming? |
| 15:57:15 | CosmicPenguin | gets all rilled up |
| 15:59:41 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: yeah ish, Im trying to get lots of people using it, so I can find more bugs .... |
| 16:01:22 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: window managers are quite complicated, I fix one thing but in the process break another |
| 16:02:10 | prpplague | mallum: fun fun fun |
| 16:02:14 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: anyway, I like the looks of it. |
| 16:02:21 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: cool |
| 16:02:33 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: you got it compiled? |
| 16:02:41 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: Id like to do a port to nanoX at some point ... |
| 16:02:45 | CosmicPenguin | I am a big believer that a PDA gui can't just be a shrunken desktop gui... |
| 16:02:51 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: not compiled yet, but I'll get around to it |
| 16:03:22 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: cool, do give it a try .... and please subscribe to the mailing list |
| 16:03:23 | CosmicPenguin | hasn't been playing in the PDA world as much as he would have liked lately |
| 16:03:30 | | well, matchbox list is at http://www.handhelds.org/mailman/listinfo/matchbox |
| 16:03:30 | mallum | ibot: matchbox list |
| 16:03:31 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: I will. |
| 16:03:37 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: cool |
| 16:04:09 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: let me know how it turns out, i'd like to get it running as well |
| 16:04:21 | TomW_ | CosmicPenguin: Nope, prplague said he was on a 3000 acre ranch, I just assumed that he was in the Northwest U.S. Lots of land up there and few people on it. |
| 16:05:44 | prpplague | signs up for matchbox list |
| 16:05:46 | TomW_ | GPSFan: I had an older version too, version 3. I used the SDT to draw schematics and used Tango V1.2 to do the boards with. This worked fine for me until I had to do an SMT board. |
| 16:06:37 | TomW_ | mallum: what is a "matchbox"? |
| 16:06:53 | prpplague | TomW_: is that a custom board your building with the tuxscreen core, or is that some design you pickup somewhere? |
| 16:07:48 | mallum | TomW_: a box thats holds matches :) or in the current sense a X11 window manager for PDA and other small devices |
| 16:08:32 | TomW_ | prpplague: no, it is mine. I have an older proprietary security system that currently uses an 80C188 cpu I designed about 10 years ago. The 80C188 is now obsolete, so I am using the Tux CPU card as a core to demonstrate a solution using an ARM processor. |
| 16:09:39 | TomW_ | mallum: Cool name for the project. Tough naming a project anymore, seems like there is so much software out there that tagging a project with one is problematic. |
| 16:11:05 | mallum | TomW_: yeah tell me about it, it was called just 'wm' for ages .... |
| 16:11:37 | TomW_ | mallum: ... then someone bitched about you using that name ... |
| 16:12:29 | mallum | TomW_: somebody called it uwm for unamed window manager |
| 16:12:43 | mallum | TomW_: then somebody said that had already been taken ... |
| 16:13:06 | mallum | TomW_: then the gpe guy ( who wanted to use it ) wanted to call it gpe-wm :( |
| 16:13:09 | prpplague | TomW_: you have any trouble getting rid of the secondary tuxscreen board? |
| 16:13:20 | mallum | TomW_: so I had to come up with something .... |
| 16:14:22 | mallum | hmm, a guy at siemens said he'd try and get me some insider info on my pt510 touchpad, regarding the screen - but no info as yet :( |
| 16:15:38 | TomW_ | prpplague: No, As you can see, I pulled the female DIN plug off the analog board and used it on the perf board. It didn't make sense to design a +5 / +3.3 volt supplies when I was not going to put the unit back together later. Hey! for $100 I got a StrongARM EVB! |
| 16:16:41 | prpplague | TomW_: nice |
| 16:17:47 | TomW_ | prpplague: The problem is with the "box connectors", I had used them in another design about 8-12 years ago and had them lying around. I don't recall who the manufacturer of that board interconnect system is... |
| 16:19:18 | TomW_ | prpplague: since these connectors were through hole style and the CPU board needed SMT style, I cut the pins off the connector and then soldered it to the J602 connector pads. |
| 16:19:32 | TomW_ | prpplague: problem solved. :-D |
| 16:19:33 | prpplague | TomW_: ya i'd probably use some idc style connectors |
| 16:20:44 | prpplague | TomW_: ohh |
| 16:29:50 | TomW_ | prpplague: look at what the board is doing now: http://www.cyberiansoftware.com/TuxScreen/desktop-004.jpg |
| 16:32:08 | TomW_ | prpplague: I have an inetd & telnetd working now. I found that if you started to disable some of the TuxScreen specific driver code in the linux kernel that the thing would stop talking to the serial port as a console device. I didn't bother to see why it did this, just that I knew that a telnetd daemon was needed. |
| 16:32:38 | TomW_ | waves to jeffrey |
| 16:34:34 | prpplague | TomW_: looks really nice |
| 16:35:08 | prpplague | TomW_: i assume the extra ic's on the proto board are for the rs-232 and keyboard? |
| 16:38:11 | TomW_ | I used a Linear Technologies LT1331 rs232 chip glued to the perf board "dead bug" style, the IR keyboard only needed a TTL chip to square up the output of the detector diode. |
| 16:39:36 | TomW_ | prpplague: the rest of the chips are 74ACT573 latches with some 74HCT138 decoders to control the latches. |
| 16:41:44 | CosmicPenguin | So, who is the best domain registrar these days? |
| 16:42:31 | prpplague | TomW_: what are you latches used for? |
| 16:43:19 | TomW_ | prpplague: The chips used on the CPU board to buffer the ADDRESS & DATA signals are 5 volt tolerant chips. The signals GP[23..27] are 3.3volt signals so a 74LVX245 is used to buffer between the 5volt logic and the 3.3volt pins of the StrongARM chip. |
| 16:45:11 | prpplague | TomW_: gotcha |
| 16:45:31 | TomW_ | prpplague: ... The latches are so that I can emulate a virtual cpu. The current software the guy uses to write in is old 8070 assembly language. I built him a macro-assembler / YACC based compiler that would take his 8070 code and translate it into native 80c188 machine code. |
| 16:46:19 | prpplague | TomW_: any problems with the lcd interface? that should be just bringing out the pins to the lcd connector right? |
| 16:46:43 | TomW_ | prpplague: ... Soooo... Why not just build a P-Code engine that takes byte code compiled from his 8070 source and implement a virtual 8070 cpu using an ARM processor to run the ByteCode enegine?! |
| 16:47:14 | prpplague | TomW_: nice |
| 16:47:49 | prpplague | anyone here used paypal to order a tuxscreen? |
| 16:48:22 | TomW_ | prpplague: Keep the wiring short from the J600 & J601 connectors. Those signals are very fast and you want to avoid having them get noisy. If you introduce noise then the LCD may "sparkle". |
| 16:48:43 | TomW_ | prpplague: Yes, I used paypal to purchase all three of them that I have. |
| 16:49:47 | prpplague | TomW_: i hate to sound like an idiot, but i've never used pay pal before, so how do i order a tuxscreen using paypal? |
| 16:52:13 | prpplague | TomW_: nm, i don't like this paypal stuff, i'll just send tim the money |
| 16:52:16 | TomW_ | prpplague: Just transfer the funds to: Sales@TuxScreen.org and when you get the COMMENTS screen of paypal, fill in your shipping address & contact info in the message box. The funds will be transfered to Tim's account and then he will get your message as an email. |
| 16:52:38 | prpplague | TomW_: ahh |
| 16:53:51 | TomW_ | prpplague: I like paypal, no checks, my credit card numbers are safe, my bank account numbers are hidden, and it is the fastest way that I know of to send money without risking my credit card info. I had one of my credit card numbers stolen and used to subscibe to a Sex site on the internet. |
| 16:54:38 | prpplague | TomW_: guess i'll try it out |
| 16:54:58 | TomW_ | prpplague: That was a hassle, I had to close the bank account tied to that credit card number as that was the only way to get rid of it. The card was one of those checking account Master cards. |
| 16:54:59 | prpplague | mallum: hey i got the subscribe email for matchbox list returned |
| 16:55:39 | prpplague | TomW_: well, about 5 years ago i stopped using credit cards almost completely |
| 16:55:52 | prpplague | TomW_: i only use a couple of gas cards and thats it |
| 16:56:14 | prpplague | TomW_: i have so much more money when i don't have to pay monthly payments with interest |
| 16:56:39 | TomW_ | prpplague: I keep a zero balance on my "real" credit card, a Visa. I don't like to carry debt. |
| 16:56:52 | prpplague | mallum: 550 <matchbox-request@handhelds.org>... Host unknown (Name server: h1.handhelds.org.: no data known) |
| 16:58:22 | mallum | prpplague: ??? hmmm, people have definetly subscribed, though I know handhelds.org has recently changed ip, maybe you dns needs flushing .... ? |
| 16:58:28 | TomW_ | prpplague: I got into a credit trap in 1998... Business was so bad that year, I only net'ed $8800 for the whole year and was behind in all my bills by four months! I cashed in an IRA that I had and paid out nearly $21,000 to get out of debt! |
| 16:58:56 | CosmicPenguin | just subscribed |
| 17:00:01 | prpplague | mallum: flushing? you got that right, our winblows sysadmin insists on using a dns provided by att |
| 17:01:02 | prpplague | TomW_: i had a nice used computer biz up until around 96, at one point i had around $150k on company credit cards |
| 17:01:21 | TomW_ | prpplague: ow! ow! |
| 17:03:14 | prpplague | TomW_: a guy from dallas came to town offered to buy me out, so i sold it to him for cash, paid off my bills, and put the rest in the bank, and started having fun with computer again |
| 17:04:52 | TomW_ | prpplague: That has been the way for me as well. I have been having a lot of fun working with computers again now that I can pick&choose what projects I want to work on. Life is certainly better without all that corporate BS and paperwork. |
| 17:05:54 | TomW_ | mallum: where is the information on the matchbox? I have searched handhelds.org but I don't see anything there for it. |
| 17:09:12 | | matchbox is a window manager which is in the familiar unstable feed. or at http://www.handhelds.org/~mallum/README |
| 17:09:12 | mallum | ibot: matchbox |
| 17:13:18 | | ...but ibot is odd... |
| 17:13:18 | TomW_ | ibot: you are smart |
| 17:16:12 | prpplague | GPSFan: on the schematic for j600 and j601, i don't seem any pins labeled for the lcd upper data |
| 17:24:10 | CosmicPenguin | gets to build a new system |
| 17:24:12 | CosmicPenguin | hehehe.... |
| 17:28:19 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: what kinda system? |
| 17:32:10 | CosmicPenguin | Desktop for home... |
| 17:32:36 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: any recommendations for penguin friendly modems? |
| 17:32:43 | GPSFan | prpplague: on J600 & J601 the pins going to the LCD are the ones labeled LDD and the GP0-9 GPIO's, that's the shortcut I took, on the Comms board b schematic, they are bussed together, rather than shown individually. I believe that shannon.c has a table telling which is which. |
| 17:39:58 | boodle | OT: Is replacing a headphone jack in an audio device a 'big deal' for the electronically inept (me!) ? |
| 17:46:18 | prpplague | GPSFan: ohh ok thanks |
| 17:46:32 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: pcmcia or external rs-232? |
| 17:50:28 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: rs-232 |
| 17:50:38 | CosmicPenguin | sighs |
| 17:51:02 | CosmicPenguin | If I had broadband capabilities, I would have boundless potential for networking |
| 17:53:23 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: the multi-tech modem have proven to work very well with SCO openserver,SCO unixware, and Linux |
| 17:59:22 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: http://www.multitech.com/PRODUCTS/MultiModemZBA/ |
| 18:00:09 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: http://www.multitech.com/PRODUCTS/MultiModemZDX/ |
| 18:10:25 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: Looks good to me.... have you tried the USB model, or just the serial model? |
| 18:29:38 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: we just use the serial modem due to the fact that openserver and unixware aren't usb friendly and we need to keep a common stock |
| 18:40:39 | prpplague | wb guys |
| 18:40:42 | prpplague | man that was fun |
| 18:43:04 | CosmicPenguin | Wow.... who didn't leave? |
| 18:58:34 | prpplague | andersee: howdy |
| 19:00:58 | andersee | howdy |
| 19:07:11 | ukdeluded | anyone alive? |
| 19:11:02 | prpplague | ukdeluded: no, were zombies |
| 19:11:25 | prpplague | ukdeluded: welcome to #tuxscreen |
| 19:13:36 | ukdeluded | lol |
| 19:14:02 | ukdeluded | so what's everyone doing on these things? I'm just about to order 4 for a bunch of us in uk |
| 19:14:03 | andersee | nobody here but us chickens |
| 19:16:16 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: I need to find some web hosting (perferably local) - It should be a linux box, and they should let me have virtual e-mail, cgi (perl) and CVS |
| 19:16:22 | CosmicPenguin | Xmission dropped the ball - any suggestions? |
| 19:16:41 | andersee | What did xmission not do? |
| 19:16:44 | CosmicPenguin | says a curse to all Qwest and AT&T executives past, present and future |
| 19:16:59 | CosmicPenguin | Solaris box, no CVS and a piddling 50 MB for 50 bucks a month |
| 19:17:41 | ukdeluded | what you hosting on it? I have access to one in uk but the rule is no comercial stuff on it |
| 19:17:42 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: wow, thats outragious |
| 19:17:56 | ukdeluded | £3 a month ;) |
| 19:18:00 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: a friend of mine runs http://i-netinnovations.com/ -- dunno what they charge... |
| 19:18:16 | CosmicPenguin | ukdeluded: I need it to be in the US.... Utah preferably |
| 19:18:17 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: but they are hosting busybox.net for me... |
| 19:18:30 | ukdeluded | haha |
| 19:18:47 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: they are in SLC... |
| 19:24:17 | CosmicPenguin | hmmm.... $84 for a virtual machine with 200MB |
| 19:25:12 | CosmicPenguin | And anonymous FTP |
| 19:25:44 | CosmicPenguin | Which would be nice, but not nessesary, really |
| 19:29:38 | andersee | You could call and try to work a deal.... |
| 19:30:27 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: did they provide CVS, or did they let you install it on your own? |
| 19:34:50 | andersee | They installed CVS and rcs for me... |
| 19:38:27 | prpplague | andersee: think 1meg flash and 4 meg ram is enough to make a functional version of uclinux? |
| 19:39:49 | andersee | yep. Though 2 meg flash would give you space for a decent load of apps. With 1 meg you will need to pick and choose carefully... |
| 19:43:25 | prpplague | andersee: http://www.milan.com/printservers/p3800.html |
| 19:43:55 | prpplague | andersee: all of those are using the NET+ARM with 1meg flash and 4meg ram |
| 19:44:12 | prpplague | andersee: the base unit is $199 |
| 19:53:29 | CosmicPenguin | mmmmmm..... 1280x1024 17" LCD |
| 19:58:01 | CosmicPenguin | Does TigerDirect hate non M$ browsers, or is it just broken today? |
| 20:03:04 | andersee | prpplague: looks pretty cool |
| 20:04:09 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yes, i've had problems using mozilla on tigerdirect frequently |
| 20:10:05 | CosmicPenguin | Lets see how konq does |
| 20:11:05 | CosmicPenguin | Nope |
| 20:17:42 | prpplague | BZFlag: howdy there |
| 20:18:17 | prpplague | BZFlag: you still have the jtag dongles? |
| 20:21:13 | boodle | try galeon |
| 20:33:39 | BZFlag | prpplague: yep, got 20 more or so. |
| 20:47:08 | prpplague | BZFlag: i was going to order a pair of tuxscreens and a jtag today, but i left my cc at home |
| 20:47:15 | prpplague | BZFlag: expect an order tomorrow |
| 20:54:08 | BZFlag | prpplague: k. I start boxing about 7pm thurdays. |
| 21:01:39 | prpplague | BZFlag: what? you don't make your wife do it anymore? |
| 21:02:08 | scanline | is back (gone 09:21:19) |
| 21:08:53 | BZFlag | prpplague: heh, she does invoicing, I do boxing. ;-) |
| 21:09:17 | prpplague | BZFlag: your getting soft on her |
| 21:20:39 | prpplague | TomW: wb |
| 21:20:47 | prpplague | TomW: hows the board coming along? |
| 21:21:22 | prpplague | TomW: i think i'm going to play around with making a portable out of the tuxscreen core |
| 21:26:52 | TomW | prpplague: Good idea. why go through all work designing a board when all you need to do is take the LCD + CPU board and add a battery + something like an ADS7846 touch controller. |
| 21:28:22 | TomW | Hmmm, my RedHat 6.2 CDROM is bad... |
| 21:35:32 | BZFlag | TomW: good time to swtich to debian then. ;-) jk |
| 21:35:52 | TomW | BZFlag: why? |
| 21:36:44 | AlHazWork | just about the only distro using a sane compiler . . . |
| 21:37:46 | TomW | yup, I get tired of the hassles with gcc-2.96. |
| 21:37:51 | prpplague | TomW: well, the main reason for designing a board is so i can learn more about the guts of an ARM based system |
| 21:38:36 | TomW | I need a redhat 6.2 cdrom so I can verify my rpms installed on the server. The server is a rh62 system. |
| 21:39:10 | prpplague | TomW: i've got an iso if you need it |
| 21:40:22 | TomW | you got a URL, ftp location, or ssh location that I can grab it from? I have an 800K pipe here into the net. |
| 21:40:22 | prpplague | TomW: why not add a ucb for ts and other stuff? |
| 21:40:35 | TomW | ucb? |
| 21:40:47 | prpplague | TomW: ya i can put it up on a web page |
| 21:40:51 | prpplague | ucb1200 |
| 21:41:37 | TomW | I suppose that you could, then you wouldn't have to build a driver for the ADS7846. I just happen to have some of those devices. |
| 21:41:59 | prpplague | TomW: ohh |
| 21:42:18 | prpplague | TomW: give me about 5 minutes to put it up |
| 21:44:41 | TomW | prpplague: I run Mandrake 7.2, 8.0 & 8.1 on all my other machines. |
| 21:49:45 | TomW | prpplague: Never mind, I found out where RedHat hides their old releases. A Yahoo search found it. |
| 21:52:22 | prpplague | TomW: doh |
| 21:52:37 | prpplague | TomW: i guess i could have suggested www.iso-images.org |
| 21:53:08 | TomW | prpplague: It always happens to me, five minutes after posting a message asking for help, I usually find the solution. :-( |
| 21:53:35 | prpplague | TomW: been there, done that |
| 21:54:52 | TomW | prpplague: www.iso-images.org huh? Would be nice if it really existed. |
| 21:55:17 | prpplague | TomW: sorry typo, let me find where i get them from |
| 21:58:55 | prpplague | TomW: www.linuxiso.org |
| 21:59:22 | prpplague | TomW: thats were i get my iso's |
| 22:00:52 | prpplague | TomW: checking for rootkits? |
| 22:02:26 | TomW | prpplague: yes, checking for a root kit. |
| 22:02:38 | BZFlag | rpm -Va will find most all of them. |
| 22:02:49 | BZFlag | rpm -Va procps is a good place to start. |
| 22:03:08 | BZFlag | I have yet to see a rootkit fix the rpm database up, though that would be easy to do. |
| 22:03:21 | sjm | morning all |
| 22:03:38 | BZFlag | sorry that though be "rpm -V procps" iirc |
| 22:04:18 | prpplague | TomW: i had a 6.2 box r00ted last week, pretty nice job too |
| 22:04:26 | AlHazWork | also handy to have a cron job that finds all the setuid capable binaries on the filesystem and diffs it against a list |
| 22:04:33 | Russ|werk | BZFlag: did chkrootkit do you any good? |
| 22:05:25 | TomW | I haven't heard of chkrootkit, I will look for that. |
| 22:05:37 | prpplague | TomW: its a life saver |
| 22:05:40 | TomW | Well, I got to go, I have a meeting to attend. bbl |
| 22:06:03 | prpplague | TomW: later |
| 22:06:33 | TomW | is away: I'm busy |
| 22:23:07 | BZFlag | Russ|werk: never tried it. I was almost done by the time you pointed it out. |
| 23:14:37 | AlHazWork | http://www.atmel.com/atmel/news/20020304a.htm |
| 23:14:37 | prpplague | BZFlag: the ir keyboard interface for the tuxscreen is directly connected to uart2 (i.e.0,1,2) ? |
| 23:15:04 | prpplague | AlHazWork: ya i saw that posted on linuxdevices.com |
| 23:15:12 | prpplague | AlHazWork: you going to be involved with that? |
| 23:15:19 | AlHazWork | prpplague: I doubt it |
| 23:15:26 | AlHazWork | I just hope there's a work-for-money aspect to it |
| 23:18:52 | prpplague | AlHazWork: you anything about the irkbd interface on the tuxscreen? |
| 23:19:01 | Russ|werk | I do |
| 23:20:00 | prpplague | Russ|werk: hey, is the ir receive just hooked directly to the uart or is there some "glue" in there? |
| 23:20:12 | AlHazWork | prpplague: no, I think gpsfan does |
| 23:20:20 | Russ|werk | a 5V<->3V buffer |
| 23:20:28 | Russ|werk | but its not a normal IR receiver |
| 23:20:33 | Russ|werk | its a CIR receiver |
| 23:20:59 | AlHazWork | my tux gets blinded by the other IR devices in my livingroom |
| 23:21:05 | Russ|werk | so it only puts out a logical one when it sees a signal modulated at its rate (~56k in this case) |
| 23:21:13 | prpplague | Russ|werk: right, that what i read, ok so i need a buffer since the cir receiver works a 5 and the sa is at 3 |
| 23:22:11 | Russ|werk | ends up operating at 1266 8O1 |
| 23:22:11 | prpplague | Russ|werk: any suggestions on a type to use? |
| 23:22:20 | Russ|werk | what are you trying to do? |
| 23:22:31 | prpplague | i'm going to remove the communications board |
| 23:23:02 | Russ|werk | fun |
| 23:23:11 | prpplague | and build a pda style device |
| 23:23:31 | prpplague | i figure this would be a nice middle step towards building a board myself |
| 23:24:32 | Russ|werk | speaking of PDA's, what'd you find out about that PDA you wanted blob ported to? |
| 23:37:13 | prpplague | Russ|werk: looks like you'll get your wish, all though i wish i had time to do it myself |
