irclog2html for tuxscreen on 2002.03.05

00:06:08asNite all.
00:45:15CosmicPenguinis away: going home
00:45:44fileLAPTOP!
00:49:00filesighs
02:38:12file[bed]rubs his eyes
03:15:56file[bed]I'm tired
06:21:27sjmHome time, good night all
11:43:40scanlineis away: ZzZzZzzzzzz
14:56:33cpenguin_workis back (gone 14:11:16)
15:19:36prpplaguemorning all
15:19:48prpplagueCosmicPenguin: anything fun happening today?
15:20:05prpplagueMorn: you still one phone short?
15:23:59Morn?
15:23:59anderseeprpplague: I reworked busybox init
15:24:41prpplagueandersee: cool, anything new? or just a code rework?
15:24:47anderseeprpplague: I now detach properly from the terminal (no more last command in a script not running problem).  Proper FIFO /etc/inittab semantics, better code reuse, etc.
15:24:47CosmicPenguinprpplague: nothing right now... just reading my mail.  Its a sad day when the Simpsons mailing list has more going on than the other lists.... :)
15:27:00prpplagueandersee: i'm currently using standard init on most of x86 embedded stuff, but whent the c++ uclibc put out there, i'll be reworking the rootfs using the bb init
15:27:52prpplagueandersee: now if you fix the bb telnet to use extended enviroment variable, i'd be set! hint hint
15:29:24anderseeI'm sure you can find a way to motivate me... ;-)
15:30:28anderseestarts going through the busybox patch backlog...
15:31:36prpplagueandersee: lol, i bet-  motivation=getfunding();
15:31:59anderseecackles with glee
15:32:45anderseeI've actuall spent the last several days getting mirroring all setup.  There is now a mirror in Salt Lake, Canada, and Germany.
15:33:12anderseeAll three with much better connections than codepoet.org
15:39:48prpplagueCosmicPenguin: hey, i know TT is not your cup of tea, but you guys have any problems running TT under winblows XP?
15:40:45CosmicPenguinprpplague: I haven't heard.  
15:41:27prpplagueCosmicPenguin: ok thanks
15:55:32ctrTT?
15:56:41CosmicPenguinAny wierd functionality you want me to investiage?
16:02:46prpplaguectr: tiny term serial/telnet application
16:05:28ctroic :)
17:04:10BZFlag was last seen on #bzflag 8 hours, 26 minutes and 36 seconds ago, saying: well. must go box TuxScreens. cya [Tue Mar  5 08:37:34 2002]
17:04:10anderseeibot: seen BZFlag?
17:28:33prpplagueanyone here work with intrinsyc?
17:30:25AlHazWorkthe name rings a bell
17:30:26AlHazWorkbut that's it
17:32:08prpplagueAlHazWork: i thought lineo did some work with intrinsyc CerfBoards
17:32:25AlHazWorkoh, that company
17:32:32AlHazWorkI don't know if we've done anything with them
17:33:11GPSFanprpplague: I have an Intrinsyc CerfCube.
17:35:43prpplagueGPSFan: you like?
17:38:14prpplagueboodle: howdy, hows those "manual modifications" going?
17:38:50boodleprpplague: working nicely thanks. my cf i now cf ii :)
17:38:55GPSFanprpplague: it's a nice little system, my first choice would have been an InHand Fingertip, but the 1pc price was much too high. The CerfCube runs off +5V, vs a wide range battery. Linux runs well and it comes with apache installed, which is cool. I put a 64Mb CF card in, and have a cool web server running, very little effort to get stuff running on it. uses busybox .42 supplimented bu real utilities when the busybox ones are broke, or non-existant.
17:39:54prpplagueGPSFan: think you would have found the fingertip would not have been as easy, i've been tinkering with the elf/fingertip stuff for awhile
17:40:28prpplagueGPSFan: i was looking at the cerfpda?
17:41:46GPSFanprpplague: I guess I lucked out. ;>) the CerfPDA is basically the same architecture wut with a LCD and some other peripherials. the CerfPod is just a CerfBoard (what's in a CerfCube), LCD & KBD.
17:42:02GPSFans/wut/but
17:43:11GPSFanprpplague: no UCB1200, but the connections for it come out the expansion connector.
17:45:58GPSFanprpplague: Intrinsyc likes to charge for tech support, but they have a Yahoo mailing list that their tech support regularly reads & responds to. their local rep also called me up a week after I got the Cube to see if I needed any support, what my project was like, etc. A fishing expedition, but we had a nice chat.
17:46:23prpplagueGPSFan: lol
17:47:22prpplagueGPSFan: i'd buy the cerfpad off-the-shelf for our use if it wasn't so expensive
18:01:27scanlineis back (gone 06:18:25)
18:02:20ctrhttp://www.darkrock.net/gallery/screenshots/2002-03-05-175844_1280x1024_scrot.png
18:03:54prpplaguectr: you shouldn't do screen shots when your on pr0n irc channels
18:04:27ctrpr0n irc channels?
18:04:44prpplaguectr: just kidding
18:04:48ctrheh
18:04:51prpplaguehas a bad sense of humor
18:14:55prpplagueanyone know if there is an example interface for using the SA uart1 for interfacing to a at/ps2 keyboard?
18:24:22scanlineis away: standing in the small wet room for a moment
19:00:09scanlineis away: class
20:37:47anderseeis away: I'm busy
20:46:30scanlineis back (gone 01:46:20)
20:59:32LoneTechhi (:
20:59:35BZFlagmany owners/hackers hang here.
20:59:42BZFlagit's a great place for info.
21:00:06BZFlaganyone here build a non-us power supply and have the pfi pin working?
21:01:30BZFlagguess it's quiet at present. ;-)
21:02:01BZFlagThere are folks in .nl .uk .de .fr that have phones. similar power needs in some of those.
21:02:09LoneTechPFI pin?
21:02:23LoneTechhmm
21:02:29LoneTechlooks again at wiki
21:02:42BZFlagI know that a 3.3v and 5.0v power will wake up the computer portion, but it sounds like the PFI pin needs some kind of clock in order to avoid resetting the dsp
21:03:09LoneTechoh
21:03:32LoneTechhaven't examined the original supply closely enough to know yet?
21:03:39LoneTech(what it does with pfi)
21:03:43BZFlagand I was off on the weight. It says 11.4 ounces on the wiki page.
21:03:50AlHazWorkPower Fail Imminant, I could swear i've seen an example circuit somewhere
21:03:59LoneTechoh
21:04:04LoneTechlike P/F on my SGI
21:04:060.3231845622
21:04:06BZFlagibot 11.4 * 0.028349523
21:04:16BZFlagyep.
21:04:17AlHazWorkthe dsp won't power up without it
21:04:29AlHazWorkwill it run on battery power without it?
21:04:32LoneTechit goes low (0v) max 5ms after power failure, min 5ms before 5v drops to 4.75
21:05:14BZFlaghttp://TuxScreen.net/wiki/view/Main/PFI
21:06:26LoneTechcurious. so the phone DSP requires a clock there
21:07:08AlHazWorkso maybe you could fake it out with a 555 or something
21:07:30LoneTechI'm not too good at electronics. but can work that out
21:08:07LoneTechthere's a minor mod necessary to drive 5v pc card too, iirc.. should be able to use my 3c574 with that
21:08:59LoneTechoops..
21:09:02LoneTechhttp://tuxscreen.net/img/schematics/ is a 404?
21:09:58AlHazWorktruncate that /
21:10:32LoneTechdidn't help
21:11:01LoneTechimg/ exists
21:11:08LoneTechbut no schematics directory afaict
21:11:15LoneTech(link from LucentDSP)
21:11:31AlHazWorkhmm
21:11:35AlHazWorkthere's a downloads/schematics
21:11:42BZFlaghttp://TuxScreen.net/download/schematics/ no?
21:12:00LoneTechnods
21:12:32BZFlagfixed the page.
21:13:40LoneTech(:
21:55:07BZFlagis running low on 2 pack boxes. /me ponders dropping 2 and 4 pack shipments to US addresses.
21:55:44BZFlagInternational costs are so much more, I'd hate to have to ship 4 separate boxes to europe or korea.
21:56:34BZFlagheaded into the office.
22:01:40sjmThere's a non-US power supply schematic with PFI at http://www.labyrinth.net.au/~steve/TuxScreen/
22:02:14LoneTechthanks
22:02:52LoneTech(:
22:18:53prpplaguemallum: howdy there
22:19:12CosmicPenguin<crowd al-la Cheers>
22:19:17CosmicPenguinHey, Mallum!
22:19:22CosmicPenguin</crowd al-la Cheers>
22:20:04mallumHello all !
22:37:43prpplagueTomW_:
22:37:45prpplagueTomW_: hey
22:38:03TomW_gppd afternoon
22:40:21TomW_prpplague: I got hit with Code Red variant this morning.  It caused the apache server on the linux box to send an email.
22:41:23AlHazWorkcurious
22:41:55AlHazWorkthat worm is the best thing that ever happened to the mtn dew people
22:42:05AlHazWork'cause code red mtn dew isn's worth drinking
22:42:31TomW_It caused apache to execute an arbitrary command.  I just upgraded the PHP to 4.1.2 yesterday, but apache is still at 1.3.12
22:43:25TomW_The command it executed sent the result of "ifconfig" in an email to an account at Yahoo and another at AltaVista.
22:43:35prpplagueTomW_: doh
22:44:22prpplagueTomW_: hey i talked to the sharp rep, he gave me some contacts about doing packaging on bga, but every one wanted at $900 per unit
22:45:04TomW_Fortunately, one of the emails bounced, so this alerted me.  It has been probing all day, but I upgraded to apache-1.3.23 and it hasn't forced apache to send email, ... yet.
22:45:30TomW_Yup, that is what I was seeing, large cost.
22:46:50AlHazWorkCurious, just looking at my apache logs, something is looking for winders exploits
22:47:35TomW_prpplague: That is probably their actual setup cost + some extra.  Normally, they would tend to discount the setup fee somewhat so as not to scare you off. But, then they will make up the money later with repeat orders.
22:48:02AlHazWork[Mon Mar  4 22:41:09 2002] [error] [client 65.139.126.169] script not found or unable to stat: /usr/lib/cgi-bin/formmail.pl <-- hmm
22:48:13TomW_prpplague: with us developers, they cannot a repeat contract, so they hit us up front.
22:49:52TomW_AlHazWork: [Tue Mar  5 01:23:45 2002] [error] [client 24.43.233.39] File does not exist: /home/httpd/html/cyberiansoftware.com/msadc/..%5c../..%5c../..%5c/..Á^\../..Á^\../..Á^\../winnt/system32/cmd.exe
22:50:29prpplagueTomW_: still no fun
22:50:58prpplagueTomW_: hey you think you could talk randy over at earthlcd into one of those mARMalad boards?
22:51:29AlHazWorkTomW_: Yeah, I saw a bunch of those for sunday
22:52:21AlHazWorklooks like it's built to assume i have formmail.pl
22:52:31AlHazWorksince that was the last error for that day
22:52:40TomW_prpplague: I don't think so, I haven't spoken with him in over a year.  It was a bit of a problem to convince him to send me some 68328 chips, even though he claims that he has thousands of them.
22:53:21TomW_AlHazWork: Check your maillog to see if anything was emailed to a recipient: gh0st@altavista.com
22:53:24AlHazWorkand endless armies of robots fetching my resume.
22:53:40AlHazWorknow questions the value of having an online resume.
22:54:05TomW_puffs on his pipe.
22:54:18AlHazWorkand random people downloading the one mp3 that's linked off the front page.
22:55:18TomW_AlHazWork: I only have 7 virtual sites on that server.
22:55:28AlHazWork65.139.126.169 - - [04/Mar/2002:22:41:09 -0700] "GET /cgi-bin/formmail.pl?recipient=screemweaver@aol.com&subject=http://www.alhaz@we.areb.org/cgi-bin/formmail.pl&email=lasdgr
22:55:28AlHazWork@acnet.net&=http://www.alhaz@we.areb.org/cgi-bin/formmail.pl HTTP/1.1" 404 225
22:55:42prpplagueTomW_: 6 of which are pr0n?
22:55:50AlHazWorkTomW_: I don't have any on mine
22:56:32AlHazWorkTomW_: Mostly, it looks like i distribute an mp3 of an excellent rendition of Mozart's Eine Kleina Nachtmusik played on steel drums
22:56:37AlHazWorkand my resume
22:57:14AlHazWorkwhich, for my last two jobs, wasn't required for employment, so it hasn't been updated in like 5 years
22:57:20TomW_AlHazWork: that must be a non-issue worm, I checked my apache log and I have the same formmail.pl command attempts.
22:57:39AlHazWorkTomW_: but something successfully mailed something
22:57:54AlHazWorkI don't think i have php installed at all
22:58:06prpplagueTomW_: looks like their is quite a bit of interest in using that 68ez chip for uclinux
22:58:13TomW_AlHazWork: about 8 attempts at executing a non-existant cgi-script over the past 6 months.
22:59:01TomW_prpplague: Yeah, it is okay for low power applications, it doesn't use much power at all.
23:00:28TomW_I think that I measured one system: switching regulator, CS8900A Ethernet (unplugged), 8M Dram, 16M compact Flash.  The current draw was 70 ma.
23:01:01TomW_prpplague: That 70ma draw was on the 12v supply to the PCB.
23:04:08prpplagueTomW_: nice, that'd make a nice data collector
23:04:10AlHazWorkmaybe I'm lookingat the wrong logs, I can't see where anyone on my system has *sent any mail in the last few days
23:04:19AlHazWorkall the mail logs are ipop3d . .
23:04:28prpplagueTomW_: any type of pcmcia interface for it?
23:04:53AlHazWorkyeah, looking at the wrong logs.
23:04:58TomW_No, there isn't any on the DragonBall processors.
23:04:59AlHazWorkgoes and looks in the exim logs
23:05:29TomW_AlHazWork: what system are you running?  Linux, BSD?
23:05:42AlHazWorkTomW_: debian/stable
23:05:50AlHazWorkon a sparc 10
23:06:01AlHazWorkcron job trolls for updates at 4am daily
23:06:31TomW_AlHazWork: Hmmm... Isn't there a /var/log/maillog file?  
23:07:31AlHazWorkTomW_: there's a /var/log/mail.log that tells me how often me and about 5 other people log into the pop server
23:07:43AlHazWorkand a /var/log/exim directory about MTA stuff
23:07:56TomW_prpplague: The only "advanced" peripherials on the DragonBall is an SPI bus, DRAM controller and LCD Controller.
23:08:31TomW_AlHazWork: That file should also have a record of outgoing mail that has been sent as well as the pop activity.
23:09:02CosmicPenguinAlHazWork: whats the signature of the new hack?
23:09:05AlHazWorkno mention of a gh0st@altavista.com
23:09:23TomW_AlHazWork: cat /var/log/mailfile | grep -v pop3 | less
23:09:25AlHazWorkTomW_: the exim logs have all the mta logs
23:09:55TomW_AlHazWork: Ok, I am running QMail over here.
23:10:09AlHazWorkyeah, that would log things differently
23:10:16AlHazWorkI've got five or six dead letters, that's it
23:11:28TomW_They managed to send three emails within a half hour period before I found out about it.
23:11:28AlHazWorkHmm
23:11:31AlHazWork*** Frozen (delivery error message)
23:11:31AlHazWork2001-08-24 09:56:49 Stealth123@btamail.net.cn: remote_smtp transport failed: SMTP error from remote mailer after MAIL FROM:<>: host btamail.net.cn [202.106.196.70]: 553 From
23:11:32AlHazWork<>, message blocked.
23:12:39AlHazWorkOh, that's someone or something attempting to reply to some spam, no problem
23:13:43AlHazWorkand the others are bounces
23:13:55AlHazWorkexim trying to explain to spam senders that there's no info@areb.org
23:14:15AlHazWorkit all looks essentially innocuous
23:14:32AlHazWorkCosmicPenguin: I don't know, tomw got it, I'm just poking around my server to see if I've seen it
23:14:50CosmicPenguinreads back
23:15:37AlHazWorkthere's a whole lot of trolling for windows exploits, that's normal
23:17:01CosmicPenguinhmmm.... formmail, eh?
23:17:23TomW_CosmicPenguin: Scared me too when I got that email bounce, I'd thought my system had been cracked at first.
23:17:39CosmicPenguinI'll bet...  Its especially scary if Apache gets cracked
23:17:49AlHazWorkthe 404 on formmail.pl is probably someone trying to see if they can spam through perl scripts or something
23:18:00TomW_Apache is running as nobody, but still..
23:18:05AlHazWorkCosmicPenguin: apache logged someone trying to use formmail.p;l
23:18:13AlHazWorkwhich i don't have
23:18:23TomW_look for cmd.exe
23:18:51CosmicPenguin161 hits on my box
23:20:29CosmicPenguinThose started recently though.... 10th of Feb and later
23:21:18TomW_AlHazWork: nice thing about qmail is that I can record all mail traffic flowing throught the mail server into a spool file.
23:22:00AlHazWorkTomW_: I'm not that interested in the mail my users throw around
23:22:09AlHazWorkI could probably easily do it with exim
23:22:16AlHazWorkbut, there's the whole apathy thing
23:22:26TomW_AlHazWork: Naw, it is an FBI "feature".  ;-)
23:23:01AlHazWorkif the FBI ever demands to see my email logs, I'll show them what I've got and apologize if they say they wanted more
23:23:38CosmicPenguinAlHazWork: They can't complain...  they wanted you to save them to a file, thats what you did....
23:23:47CosmicPenguinIt shouldn't matter that file is /dev/null
23:24:06AlHazWorkCosmicPenguin: nobody ever told me i have to save them to a file
23:24:09AlHazWork<-- not an isp
23:24:16TomW_:-)  I did have one site owner who wanted copies of his mail spooled into a file and sent to him periodically.  That site is a commercial business.
23:24:17AlHazWork<-- engaged in no commerce of any kind
23:24:40CosmicPenguinhas just as badd a sense of humor as prpplague
23:24:46AlHazWorkA handfull of old friends and various relatives use my server for email & webspace, for free
23:24:59AlHazWorka former employer lets me leave my ss10 in his garage hooked up to his T1, for free
23:25:08TomW_He wanted to check out a complain about that employee.
23:25:21TomW_s/that/one/
23:25:46AlHazWorkTomW_: that's fairly common, unfortunately
23:25:58TomW_... and legal too.
23:26:06AlHazWorkTomW_: it's why i tunnel through ssh to my home firewall for my personal communications
23:28:52AlHazWorkI've worked in IS before, at another company, I know what kinda requests come through.
23:30:05AlHazWorkso, my laptop thinks it's talking to mail.xmission.com, but really it's being bounced around a pinball game of port forwards and tunnels
23:30:56AlHazWorkit eventually gets there . .
23:31:35prpplagueAlHazWork: thats sounds so much like the usps
23:31:50AlHazWorkhehe
23:31:56TomW_Or UPS.
23:32:23prpplagueTomW_: at least you get a tracking number from UPS
23:33:03TomW_True, somethings I wish that I could get a tracking number on some of the IP packets that I get...
23:33:15AlHazWorkprpplague: Have you heard of this 'FedEx Home" service?
23:33:37prpplagueAlHazWork: no why?
23:33:37AlHazWorkbozos i bought my laptop from used it to ship to me
23:33:52AlHazWorkprpplague: just sprading words of warning - it sucks
23:33:57CosmicPenguinDid everyone see the interview on Slashdot with the Vita Nuova CEO?
23:34:03TomW_FedEx sucks!  They always want a signature!
23:34:04CosmicPenguinVita Nuova = parents of Inferfo
23:34:16fileFedex is great in my opinion
23:34:17prpplagueCosmicPenguin: negative, not me
23:34:21AlHazWorkBasically, the regular FedEx handles the easy part of the job - the actual moving of a package from city to city
23:34:32CosmicPenguinhttp://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=750
23:34:35AlHazWorkand then if it's a "home" delivery, they hand it off to a passel of temps to get it delivered
23:34:38AlHazWorkand the tracking ends there
23:35:30AlHazWorkafaik, they literally put magnetic labels on their own cars, and wear a hat or something
23:35:39TomW_I had to sign the Signature Not Required for Delivery form with those idiots FOUR times before they finally got it right..  Oh, Yeah, a nasty phone call from me finally got them to stop asking for a signature!
23:35:47CosmicPenguinAlHazWork: Those are the same guys who deliver my pizza... :)
23:35:59AlHazWorkCosmicPenguin: Exactly
23:36:06TomW_CosmicPenguin: exactly
23:36:12AlHazWorkTomW_: But with FedEx, you have an outside chance of picking up the package the day they tried to deliver it
23:36:32AlHazWorkat least, the dock here will let you pick up packages between 5:45 and 6:00pm
23:36:42AlHazWorkUPS makes you wait until the next day no matter what
23:36:47TomW_AlHazWork: outside at best, the terminal is about 30 miles from here.
23:37:01AlHazWorkTomW_: the terminal here is about a mile and a half away
23:37:04AlHazWorkfrom me, at least
23:37:19TomW_UPS is 6 miles down the road, I can / have run down to their place to get a missed delivery that needed a sig.
23:37:27AlHazWorkI can't convince UPS to leave anything on my porch
23:37:31AlHazWorkno matter how insignificant
23:37:41AlHazWorkand i can't trust them to actually hold a package for pickup when i tell them to
23:37:47AlHazWorksometimes it takes them two or three days to figure that out
23:38:10AlHazWorkI live on a corner, have an exposed porch, they're convinced anything they leave out will get stolen. which is stupid.
23:38:28TomW_AlHazWork: depends on where you live, what type of environment (ghetto? ;), I live out here in the mountains of PennsylTuckey.
23:38:29AlHazWorkmy neighborhood is lousy with stay-at-home mothers with small children running around my yard
23:38:49AlHazWorkTomW_: I live in a neighborhood fulla condos targeted towards young families
23:39:16prpplaguei don't shop at radioshack for much these days, but last time i went to the local shack, the guy asked "whats up cuz, can i sellya a cell or a radio"
23:39:51AlHazWorkprpplague: hard to resist the urge to punch 'em in the teeth when they do that
23:39:59TomW_AlHazWork: Maybe you should ask UPS just what kind of a lock / drop box that they would leave a package with.  Apparently they feel your neighborhood is a high risk for package theft.
23:40:37AlHazWorkUsually, when i wander in, they say "Can i help you?"
23:40:39AlHazWorkand i say "No."
23:40:43AlHazWorkand look for stuff myself
23:40:47AlHazWork<-- sales-averse
23:40:47prpplague AlHazWork: you can forget about the days when you could ask "whats the difference in the n-field transitor and this switching transitor?"
23:40:56AlHazWorkprpplague: Yup
23:41:06AlHazWorkanyway, dinner is here, bbl
23:41:33TomW_Yeah, I got to shower and get out of here, bbl.
23:41:43prpplaguelater guys
23:41:45TomW_is away: off to the showers.
23:42:55prpplagueCosmicPenguin: whats the latest outlook on pixil?
23:44:23CosmicPenguinprpplague: no news
23:44:39prpplagueCosmicPenguin: is that good or bad?
23:45:05CosmicPenguinprpplague: I have no idea, to tell you the honest truth....
23:45:25CosmicPenguinprpplague: I do know that it would probably be in my best interest to get ol' consulting career started soon, though... :)
23:46:10prpplagueCosmicPenguin: doh
23:46:30prpplagueCosmicPenguin: that good eh?
23:46:54prpplagueCosmicPenguin: i liked pixil for the ipaq, very smooth feel to it
23:47:18CosmicPenguinprpplague: Its fun for a business to start playing with Linux, because it sounds very cool and exciting
23:47:34CosmicPenguinprpplague: But eventually, you need to start making some money
23:47:38prpplagueCosmicPenguin: its quite another to make money at it!
23:48:09CosmicPenguinprpplague: I would be very happy to make $200,000 a year writing Linux software, but for a company like Century, thats very disappointing
23:48:44CosmicPenguindoes not want to transfer to the TT side
23:49:00prpplagueeeewwww
23:49:28prpplagueCosmicPenguin: come back, come back, don't go to the dark path!
23:49:35CosmicPenguinprpplague: not a chance
23:54:47prpplagueCosmicPenguin: maybe you need to talk to guru's over at snapgear
23:56:28CosmicPenguinWho owns snapgear?
23:56:47prpplagueCosmicPenguin: they are owned by lineo i believe
23:57:51CosmicPenguinHey... has QT always been a Canopy company, or is that something recent?
23:57:56CosmicPenguinis looking at canopy.com

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