| 00:00:36 | Hiraghm | I'm not concerned. I was just curious. |
| 00:00:48 | prpplague | Hiraghm: the only safe system is one that is turned off with the keyboard removed and locked in a closet |
| 00:00:50 | Hiraghm | considers it his job in this forum to ask the really dumb questions everyone is afraid to ask. |
| 00:01:02 | Hiraghm | prp, and a crashed hard drive? 8c) |
| 00:03:26 | AlHazWork | My considered belief is that the end result of ultra-hard encryption is that The Enemy has to resort to oldschool, lowtech or notech methods |
| 00:05:00 | AlHazWork | dumpster diving, bribing disgruntled employees, etc |
| 00:05:14 | prpplague | AlHazWork: i.e. keystroke loggers |
| 00:05:31 | AlHazWork | prpplague: Yeah |
| 00:06:02 | prpplague | AlHazWork: my favorite is to call and say,"yes ma'am i with joe smoe computer and we need to verify you account info..." |
| 00:06:46 | AlHazWork | what's that other method, Van Eck? Where you essentially rig up a data aquisition board to a very sensitive, narrow-band rf reciever, and just listen to the RFI emitted by the computer |
| 00:06:54 | prpplague | AlHazWork: you be surprised at how many will fall for that |
| 00:07:09 | AlHazWork | which is expensive and difficult, but works |
| 00:07:20 | AlHazWork | prpplague: No i wouldn't |
| 00:07:22 | AlHazWork | :) |
| 00:07:41 | prpplague | AlHazWork: ya the crt's still product a detectable rfi |
| 00:07:56 | AlHazWork | prpplague: Also, most keyboards produce detectable rfi |
| 00:08:42 | Russ|werk | super spy stuff would be fun |
| 00:09:03 | Russ|werk | break into the dry cleaner, stich a bug into someone's suit |
| 00:09:15 | Russ|werk | let the bug collect information |
| 00:09:29 | Russ|werk | break in again, take the bug out, and read it |
| 00:09:56 | AlHazWork | Russ: Wave a $500 bill in front of the guy who cleans the bathrooms |
| 00:10:17 | jacques | $500 bill? |
| 00:10:19 | AlHazWork | 'cause he's making minimum wage, and doesn't particularly like the people he works for |
| 00:10:26 | prpplague | argh, this lcd stuff is starting to make my head hurt |
| 00:10:34 | jacques | do those exist? |
| 00:10:44 | AlHazWork | jacques: You know, I'm not sure. I think they did at some point. |
| 00:10:56 | AlHazWork | most of the large denomination bill have been taken out of circulation |
| 00:11:10 | jacques | I know there was a $1000 |
| 00:11:12 | AlHazWork | in most companies, someone can be bribed cheaply |
| 00:12:04 | prpplague | Russ|werk: why break back in, have it transmite the info via a low power fm signal every 24 hours? |
| 00:12:18 | Russ|werk | prpplague: thats detectable |
| 00:12:42 | Russ|werk | prpplague: and it might be difficult to be in proximity at that moment |
| 00:13:06 | sjm | prpplague: Do you know much about devmem2.c ? Like why the MAP_SIZE is defined as 4096 when only one address is being accessed? Is 4096 a /dev/mem requirement? |
| 00:13:08 | Russ|werk | but it depends on who you are going after |
| 00:13:13 | AlHazWork | Give the janitor $500 and a sealed cardboard box. tell 'im to leave the box above a celing panel, and that you'll give him another $500 when he brings it back next weekend |
| 00:13:43 | AlHazWork | all you really need, then, is a voice activated recorder, and enough battery power |
| 00:13:48 | jacques | apparently there was a $500 bill |
| 00:14:02 | jacques | but it's no longer in use - the $1000 apparently *is* still in use |
| 00:14:09 | prpplague | sjm: let me grab the code and look |
| 00:16:28 | AlHazWork | you can always find someone who either doesn't think they make enough money, or has an axe to grind |
| 00:17:16 | sjm | It seems silly that it maps an entire page, when it only needs one address. |
| 00:17:43 | AlHazWork | it's one of the reasons that i think it's ironic that more high tech companies don't worry more about how happy their employees are |
| 00:18:05 | Hiraghm | hm. |
| 00:19:40 | Russ|werk | sjm: thats the way the MMU maps things afaik |
| 00:19:48 | Russ|werk | er, maybe not |
| 00:19:52 | Russ|werk | I dunno |
| 00:20:08 | Russ|werk | I think mmap might need arguments divisible by 4096 |
| 00:24:40 | prpplague | sjm: i can't find a definite answer but, it looks like the mmu is needs a 4096 window for access |
| 00:26:33 | sjm | prpplague: Hmmm... Okay, thanks. |
| 00:35:55 | | I haven't seen 'andersen_', jacques |
| 00:35:55 | jacques | ibot: seen andersen_ |
| 00:36:01 | | andersee was last seen on #tuxscreen 5 hours, 30 minutes and 27 seconds ago, saying: is away: I'm busy [Wed Feb 27 19:05:34 2002] |
| 00:36:01 | jacques | ibot: seen andersee |
| 00:36:57 | BZFlag | adds google to the wiki |
| 00:38:33 | Russ|werk | anyone know if "content-type: multipart/mixed; boundry = someboundy" is valid? |
| 00:38:43 | Russ|werk | (whitespace around the '=') |
| 00:39:34 | AlHazWork | I'd tell you but I'm stuck in this invisible box . . . |
| 00:39:44 | Russ|werk | ... right |
| 00:39:53 | AlHazWork | sorry, had to make a mime joke |
| 00:39:57 | Russ|werk | oh, heh |
| 00:40:06 | AlHazWork | i don't really know. Sounds reasonable to me, but i'm not an expert |
| 00:40:23 | Russ|werk | similarly, is multipart /mixed valid |
| 00:41:15 | CosmicPenguin | is away: off to see the wizzard, or something... |
| 00:41:53 | AlHazWork | Russ: good question, I usually see multipart/alternative |
| 00:42:03 | prpplague | sjm: i've droped an email to the author of devmem2.c, he's pretty good about answering such questions |
| 00:43:21 | Russ|werk | prpplague: check the mmap man page |
| 00:43:28 | Russ|werk | pretty sure its related to mmap |
| 00:43:39 | sjm | No mention of a fixed size though... |
| 00:44:19 | sjm | The mmap function asks to map length bytes .... |
| 00:44:50 | BZFlag | Russ: I do not think multipart /mixed or multipart/ mixed are valid |
| 00:46:15 | AlHazWork | Russ: I don't know, man, but if you start sending out that horendous email that's just a block of base64 encoded content, I'll TP your house |
| 00:46:54 | prpplague | lol |
| 00:49:02 | AlHazWork | last week i tried reasoning with a vendor that they shouldn't do that, or at the very least should do multipart/alternative and put the plain text version at the top. They were ignorant of a problem at first, and later on, when they understood my complaint, were indignant and condescending. |
| 00:49:22 | prpplague | well guys, i'm going home, tell my a bed time story about an evil gobilin named bill, drip a glass of guinness and read my arm developer manual |
| 00:49:30 | prpplague | s/my/my son |
| 00:49:47 | prpplague | night all |
| 00:49:51 | AlHazWork | Sounds like a plan, cya |
| 01:23:42 | scanline | is away: studying, then taking a test |
| 01:37:41 | Sammy | yo hello |
| 01:40:17 | | Since Tue Feb 19 13:05:09 2002, there have been 99 modifications and 445 questions. I have been awake for 8 days, 12 hours, 35 minutes, 8 seconds this session, and currently reference 4653 factoids. Addressing is in require mode. |
| 01:40:17 | file[bed] | ibot status |
| 01:40:29 | | file[bed]: excuse me? |
| 01:40:29 | file[bed] | ibot: your smart |
| 01:40:44 | | file[bed]: Something failed in connecting to the NOAA web server. Try again later. |
| 01:40:44 | file[bed] | ibot: weather cyqm |
| 01:40:51 | file[bed] | :| |
| 01:40:54 | file[bed] | you always say that |
| 01:43:10 | file[bed] | anybody else here? |
| 01:48:35 | AeroSpace | um, do I dare answer? |
| 01:50:15 | file[bed] | yes. |
| 01:55:44 | AeroSpace | How's it going, I'm just reading some slashdot referenced graphics material. |
| 01:56:04 | file[bed] | well, I'm doing fine |
| 01:56:05 | file[bed] | but my head hurts |
| 01:56:23 | AeroSpace | What are you doing? |
| 01:56:34 | file[bed] | laying in bed chatting on IRC |
| 01:58:15 | AeroSpace | I never could figure out a good way to do that. I have a laptop, but there just doesn't seem to be any good way to do it while laying down. |
| 01:58:48 | file[bed] | lol |
| 01:59:11 | file[bed] | I just lay down, with my head on the pillow slightly up and the laptop on my stomach |
| 01:59:59 | AeroSpace | Do you use kde? Someone decide that A4 was the paper size to use and I'm trying to figure out the one magic way to say 'letter' because I'll never be using A4. |
| 02:00:11 | file[bed] | nope I don't use KDE |
| 02:00:32 | AeroSpace | Mabye there isn't a way to do it, but it is annoying having to select it every time I print. |
| 02:00:43 | file[bed] | your rambling. |
| 02:01:26 | file[bed] | my feet are warm... which is strange |
| 02:01:32 | file[bed] | cause they are usually cold |
| 02:02:45 | file[bed] | you know your addicted when you keep expecting the TV to show a screensaver cause it's been idle for so long |
| 02:04:43 | AeroSpace | I thought if it wasn't black it was showing a screen saver. My mistake, I thought all screen savers were ment to be watched. |
| 02:04:58 | file[bed] | shrugs |
| 02:05:48 | file[bed] | can you survive 40 days and 40 nights without sex? |
| 02:05:56 | file[bed] | <new movie> |
| 02:06:39 | AeroSpace | Never heard of it. Then again I have no idea what is playing. |
| 02:06:46 | file[bed] | but answer the question too. |
| 02:07:19 | file[bed] | :) |
| 02:07:47 | AeroSpace | If I couldn't I would be dead a long time ago. |
| 02:07:55 | file[bed] | nods |
| 02:08:43 | AeroSpace | Now ask me the last time I've gone a day without being on a computer. Um, well that's been a while. |
| 02:08:53 | file[bed] | haha |
| 02:09:03 | file[bed] | I'm going on a trip in May and I will still be online from my PDA |
| 02:09:09 | file[bed] | and I think I hear my brother... gotta go |
| 02:09:10 | file[bed] | bbl |
| 02:29:57 | cpenguin_home | jacques: I wanted to ask you a question last night, but my ISP had other ideas... |
| 02:43:33 | jacques | cpenguin_home: heh, please go ahead - I hope I can answer it |
| 02:45:08 | cpenguin_home | You're a TinyX guru, right? |
| 02:45:29 | cpenguin_home | I was wondering how difficult it would be to get TinyX to run a dual head display |
| 03:09:05 | jacques | cpenguin_home: sorry - I'm not ignoring you - work got in the way |
| 03:15:40 | jacques | cpenguin_home: I believe it should be possible - after all the screen rotation "hack" on the ipaq was done with xinerama |
| 03:15:56 | jacques | before the xrandr extension was done |
| 03:19:29 | cpenguin_home | The driver I want to use exists in the regular X stuff.... |
| 03:19:52 | cpenguin_home | So that make that a bit easier... I guess I would just need probe for multiple screens then |
| 03:20:21 | cpenguin_home | to probe, even |
| 03:20:49 | cpenguin_home | hmmm... |
| 03:23:59 | jacques | what video chipset are you targetting? just curious (or is it secret?) |
| 03:24:29 | andersen_ | is back (gone 06:57:04) |
| 03:24:35 | jacques | keithp has expanded driver support in tinyx quite a bit in the last year |
| 03:25:19 | jacques | you might wanna try xfree 4.2.0 (or cvs) as they improved xinerama since 4.1 |
| 03:29:08 | cpenguin_home | Its a SiliconMotion chipset |
| 03:29:54 | jacques | I'm not familiar with them |
| 03:30:18 | jacques | cpenguin_home: are you planning to use glibc or uClibc? |
| 03:30:21 | andersen_ | BZFlag: Is curtis still at Lineo? Beppu wants to get hold of him... |
| 03:30:39 | cpenguin_home | uclibc... I've only got 16 MB |
| 03:31:06 | cpenguin_home | I'm wondering if uclibc + regular X would be small enough |
| 03:35:27 | cpenguin_home | It looks like tinyX supports multiple framebuffers |
| 03:37:15 | cpenguin_home | I guess I need to get 4.2.0 |
| 03:39:17 | cpenguin_home | jacques: thanks for your help |
| 03:39:26 | cpenguin_home | has lots of studying to do, but now its time to hit the bar |
| 03:39:43 | jacques | cpenguin_home: sounds like an interesting project - keep me in the loop (if you want) |
| 03:39:56 | jacques | d'oh |
| 03:40:22 | jacques | hi andersen_ |
| 03:40:28 | andersen_ | hey |
| 03:40:45 | andersen_ | hmm. |
| 03:41:05 | andersee | Thats better |
| 03:50:44 | jacques | :-) |
| 03:51:01 | jacques | andersee: how's life, uclibc, and everything? |
| 03:52:44 | andersee | 42 |
| 03:52:47 | andersee | ;-) |
| 03:52:59 | andersee | Going ok. |
| 03:53:27 | jacques | :-) |
| 04:29:37 | scanline | is back (gone 03:05:54) |
| 04:30:12 | sjm | scanline: did you pass? :) |
| 04:30:22 | scanline | sjm: uh, i think so |
| 04:30:36 | sjm | k |
| 04:30:54 | scanline | i should've studied more for that test, but i think i'm fine |
| 04:31:10 | scanline | our lab score in digital logic should be enough to compensate for anything :) |
| 05:24:45 | andersee | Cool. 2.4.18-rmk1 released |
| 05:26:29 | jacques | mmmm |
| 05:28:00 | BZFlag | andersee: yes. |
| 05:33:46 | andersee | BZFlag: k, thx. |
| 05:35:16 | boodle | grrrs |
| 05:35:25 | boodle | mutt segfaulting :( |
| 06:12:33 | Russ | merges |
| 06:22:58 | Russ | oi...so slow |
| 06:25:44 | sjm | night all |
| 06:59:37 | Russ | building 2.4.18-rmk1-tux1 |
| 07:06:02 | jacques | L-) |
| 07:06:04 | jacques | :-) |
| 07:06:23 | jacques | is playing with his new USB joystick. |
| 09:21:20 | ctr | anyone alive? |
| 09:59:28 | andersen_ | nope |
| 14:00:05 | prpplague | morning all |
| 14:05:18 | andersee | morning |
| 14:29:16 | prpplague | andersee: you ever used the devmem2.c app from the lart pages? |
| 14:36:08 | andersee | nope |
| 14:36:12 | andersee | what is it? |
| 14:37:46 | prpplague | andersee: a small userland app for "peek'n/poke'n" (old terms) the ARM memory |
| 14:38:23 | andersee | I recall doing peek/poke on my Atari 400... :) |
| 14:38:48 | prpplague | remembers peek/poke on his TS-1000 |
| 14:40:31 | prpplague | andersee: anyway there was discussion last night as to why the app was using a 4096 memory page when it was only working with one address |
| 14:40:56 | prpplague | andersee: i thought maybe you had some insite |
| 14:42:07 | andersee | no idea |
| 14:42:35 | prpplague | andersee: thanks anyway, just thought i'd ask |
| 14:43:05 | prpplague | andersee: you might want to check the app out, its great for debugging |
| 14:44:16 | prpplague | andersee: http://www.lart.tudelft.nl/lartware/port/devmem2.c |
| 14:46:58 | prpplague | mallum: howdy o buddy o pal |
| 14:47:21 | prpplague | mallum: been tinkering with your wm, but having some problems with the compil |
| 14:47:48 | mallum | prpplague: hi, whats up ? |
| 14:50:00 | prpplague | mallum: i tried compiling your wm on x86 and arm, and i'm getting a ton of warnings, |
| 14:50:08 | mallum | prpplague: really ? |
| 14:50:25 | prpplague | mallum: its compiles, but they complains about not having permission for display :0.0 |
| 14:50:29 | mallum | prpplague: compiler warnings ? |
| 14:50:37 | prpplague | mallum: 22 pages worth |
| 14:50:39 | mallum | prpplague: you have another wm running ? |
| 14:50:46 | prpplague | mallum: negative |
| 14:50:51 | mallum | prpplague: are you using gcc ? |
| 14:51:07 | prpplague | mallum: gcc and arm-linux-gcc - 2.95.3 |
| 14:51:18 | mallum | prpplague: and same errors on both ? |
| 14:51:29 | mallum | prpplague: you running cvs or tarball ? |
| 14:51:50 | prpplague | mallum: the warnings are similiar, and i'm using the tarball |
| 14:52:12 | prpplague | mallum: i only spent a couple hours on it, but i'll look at it again this weekend |
| 14:52:12 | mallum | hmm, 0.1.7 ? |
| 14:52:26 | prpplague | mallum: let me check the ver. |
| 14:52:48 | prpplague | mallum: 0.1.6 |
| 14:52:55 | mallum | get the latest |
| 14:52:57 | mallum | http://handhelds.org/~mallum/matchbox/ |
| 14:53:13 | prpplague | mallum: i'll grab it and try it again this weekend |
| 14:53:16 | mallum | cool |
| 14:53:20 | prpplague | mallum: love the code though |
| 14:53:31 | mallum | prpplague: cool |
| 14:53:38 | mallum | prpplague: have you got it to run though ? |
| 14:53:48 | prpplague | mallum: negative |
| 14:54:03 | prpplague | mallum: just looked through the code |
| 14:54:08 | mallum | prpplague: hmmm, thats really strange |
| 14:54:18 | mallum | prpplague: next thing to do is tidy the code up a bit |
| 14:54:21 | prpplague | mallum: leave it to me to be strange |
| 14:54:44 | mallum | prpplague: its probably something obvious I missed out |
| 14:54:56 | mallum | prpplague: I've only ever run it on my desktop and in Xnest |
| 14:56:31 | prpplague | mallum: its ok, i've been there, done that |
| 14:56:54 | mallum | prpplague: you play computer games ? |
| 15:00:31 | prpplague | mallum: i used too, just don't have time any more, i spend all my time trying to learn enough to prentend i'm an expert,lol |
| 15:02:21 | mallum | I've been playing this medal of honour game - it rocks !! |
| 15:02:28 | prpplague | mallum: the only games i get to play these days are the ones i play with my wife over the checkbook |
| 15:03:00 | prpplague | medal of honor? linux? |
| 15:03:08 | prpplague | or winblows? |
| 15:03:08 | mallum | nah windows :( |
| 15:03:30 | prpplague | has been winblows free for almost 18 months |
| 15:04:04 | mallum | prpplague: out of 9 machines only one has win98 on ( dual boot ) just for games |
| 15:04:12 | Morn | morning |
| 15:04:20 | prpplague | Morn: morn |
| 15:04:29 | mallum | prpplague: I even made my girlfriend run kde on her laptop |
| 15:04:39 | prpplague | Morn: what happened to your alter ego, julie? |
| 15:04:52 | Morn | She took the week off |
| 15:04:59 | mallum | prpplague: she likes it cos the cards 'animate better' in the solitare game |
| 15:05:31 | Morn | considers using the nick 'Friday' sometime |
| 15:05:35 | prpplague | mallum: i like to buy windows based software and then it back to the company for a refund, with a note saying if it supported linux i'd have kept it |
| 15:06:24 | mallum | heh |
| 15:06:42 | prpplague | Morn: instead of "my man friday" it'll be "my girl friday"? |
| 15:07:20 | Morn | friday is a character from a Hienlien (sp?) book |
| 15:07:40 | Morn | she's an artificial person (geneticaly enhanced) |
| 15:07:47 | Morn | someone you don't want to mess with |
| 15:07:52 | prpplague | Morn: ohh, i've not read any of hienlien |
| 15:08:05 | Morn | I've read too much of his work |
| 15:08:13 | Morn | It's too bad he died |
| 15:08:26 | prpplague | Morn: geneticaly enchanced not to want to buy shoes? |
| 15:08:57 | Morn | grin |
| 15:09:39 | Morn | BTW for those people with iPAQs that might need to put CE back on (like I did for a client) the bootldr 2.18.01 will not let you upgrade properly to th next release |
| 15:09:44 | Morn | you need to use 2.16.19 |
| 15:09:57 | Morn | I spent several hours trying to figure that out |
| 15:11:39 | ctr | i think i am going to pretty much re-write buildroot to be more modular |
| 15:11:49 | ctr | so you can build several different targers |
| 15:17:30 | andersee | Morn: I though the end of "Friday" was a bit anti-climatic. |
| 15:17:50 | Morn | maybe... |
| 15:18:04 | Morn | Actually I'm re-reading it now, and I'm about 3/4 done |
| 15:18:12 | Morn | It makes good reading on the train |
| 15:24:30 | prpplague | Morn: whats the name of the book, i'd like to try it out.... |
| 15:25:18 | Morn | it's called Friday |
| 15:27:00 | cpenguin_work | is back (gone 14:45:43) |
| 15:28:19 | prpplague | Morn: doh, i feel stupid |
| 15:28:24 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: morning |
| 15:29:45 | andersee | Morn: 3/4 through eh? So has she been blown up on the Mississippi yet? |
| 15:31:09 | Morn | yep |
| 15:31:12 | Morn | and Boss died |
| 15:32:47 | andersee | Morn: In space yet? |
| 15:33:14 | andersee | Morn: (and pregnant)... |
| 15:33:46 | Morn | not yet |
| 15:35:14 | CosmicPenguin | good morning prpplague |
| 15:35:54 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: The expression is "girl friday" isn't it? I've never heard "man friday" |
| 15:36:16 | CosmicPenguin | magically jumping into converstations that I have no business being a part of |
| 15:36:45 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: as in Robinson Crusoe? his man firday? |
| 15:37:07 | CosmicPenguin | I thought "girl friday" was something they said in the 50s.... |
| 15:37:44 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: good griff, i dodn't know that there were so many slang associations with the word "friday" |
| 15:37:54 | CosmicPenguin | Sorry, it was 1940 |
| 15:37:58 | CosmicPenguin | http://www.filmsite.org/hisg.html |
| 15:39:24 | prpplague | interesting |
| 15:40:32 | CosmicPenguin | The ipaq list just got spammed by Italian pr0n |
| 15:41:29 | prpplague | doh |
| 15:41:50 | Morn | I just realized last night that my dual pcmcia sleeve has it's own battery |
| 15:41:53 | Morn | that's kinda cool |
| 15:42:11 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i think i'd rather have Italian pr0n spam than the ms-word doc spam i got from idg |
| 15:46:13 | CosmicPenguin | Morn: The single pcmcia sleeve has a battery too, iirc |
| 15:46:38 | CosmicPenguin | Check out this disclaimer I just got on a piece of spam (in 2 point type): |
| 15:46:41 | CosmicPenguin | BY NOT REMOVING YOURSELF FROM THIS |
| 15:46:42 | CosmicPenguin | INFORMATION THE BEARER OF THIS INFORMATION CANNOT BE PROSECUTED FOR ANY REASON |
| 15:46:42 | CosmicPenguin | INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO FRAUD AND CANNOT BE SUED REGARDING. YOU HAVE |
| 15:46:42 | CosmicPenguin | AGREEDTO RECEIVE THIS INFORMATION AND GIVEN FULL PERMISSION IF YOU CLICK |
| 15:46:42 | CosmicPenguin | ANYTHING OTHER THAN REMOVE. |
| 15:47:07 | andersee | oh geez. |
| 15:59:54 | Russ | I don't think that'd be legally binding |
| 16:00:11 | Russ | since they aren't a big, influential, software company |
| 16:00:24 | prpplague | sjm: you alive? |
| 16:00:58 | | sjm was last seen on #tuxscreen 9 hours, 35 minutes and 14 seconds ago, saying: night all [Thu Feb 28 06:25:44 2002] |
| 16:00:58 | prpplague | ibot: seen sjm |
| 16:01:04 | | sjm is using the latest filesystem from CVS, and the 2.4.7 kernel and it all works very nicely. |
| 16:01:04 | prpplague | ibot: sjm |
| 16:01:15 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: he lives down under, so he's fast asleep right now |
| 16:01:25 | prpplague | oops thats right i forgot |
| 16:01:42 | prpplague | needs more coffee |
| 16:02:43 | Russ | http:?/russ.dhs.org/files/tuxpatches/patch-2.4.18-rmk1-tux1.bz2 |
| 16:03:20 | Russ | er |
| 16:03:31 | Russ | http://russ.dhs.org/files/tuxpatches/patch-2.4.18-rmk1-tux1.bz2 |
| 16:08:08 | ctr | damn you russ! =P |
| 16:08:25 | ctr | i think i am going to have to learn this kernel hacking m'larky |
| 16:09:13 | Russ | er, wait |
| 16:09:20 | Russ | don't snag that quite yet |
| 16:09:26 | ctr | i wasn't =P |
| 16:09:51 | prpplague | ctr: you can fun kernel hacking, start out by changing the printk to say something "darn here is another message for you->" |
| 16:10:03 | CosmicPenguin | mmm.... 2.4.18 |
| 16:10:16 | Russ | ucb1x100-core.c switched to irq probing, and its not working |
| 16:10:32 | CosmicPenguin | huge surprise |
| 16:10:42 | CosmicPenguin | <SARCASM></SARCASM> |
| 16:11:09 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hows the sqlite working out? |
| 16:11:45 | Russ | UCB1x00: IRQ probe failed, using IRQ37 |
| 16:11:45 | Russ | ucb1x00: unable to grab irq37: -22 |
| 16:15:04 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: I haven't played with it lately.... I've had a few other projects come up |
| 16:17:44 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i know how it is, i'm slowly working on a way to use sqlite more effectively with fltk, i'll send you what ever i get completed for you review |
| 16:20:44 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: got an e-mail... I've got a module that does the same thing, maybe we can merge some stuff |
| 16:46:20 | | somebody said prpplague was mailto:dave123@abcsinc.com |
| 16:46:20 | prpplague | ibot: prpplague |
| 16:46:46 | andersee | thinks about hacking his access point... http://pr0ntab.com/dlink/moddedap02.jpg |
| 16:47:04 | andersee | http://www.seattlewireless.net/index.cgi/DlinkAccessPointComments |
| 16:47:07 | prpplague | andersee: you got one of those smc units? |
| 16:47:35 | prpplague | andersee: ohh |
| 16:47:40 | andersee | D-Link 1000AP |
| 16:47:56 | prpplague | andersee: ya i got one too, nice arm based unit |
| 16:48:49 | andersee | That link shows how to add an external antenna |
| 16:49:50 | prpplague | andersee: i mapped out the JTAG pins but never got around to hooking anything up to it |
| 17:04:56 | prpplague | BZFlag: morning |
| 17:40:12 | boodle | is away: food |
| 18:29:11 | TomW | BZFlag: Do you know how long is delivery times to Europe? |
| 18:44:10 | prpplague | Tangent: you here? |
| 18:45:10 | BZFlag | TomW: depends on the shipping type. |
| 18:45:39 | BZFlag | GEM gets there in a week or so, airmail about two, and economy in 2 months |
| 18:46:03 | BZFlag | fedex can do one in like 3 days from what I hear. ;-) |
| 18:46:43 | TomW | BZFlag: I got a personal email from a fellow in Germany. He was concerned about his unit and wanted to know how to get in contact with you. I gave him the info and told him that "normal" mail / UPS takes up to two weeks to reach Europe. |
| 18:47:49 | TomW | BZFlag: I know that Express (two day) delivery via UPS is hideously expensive! |
| 18:49:50 | AlHazWork | prpplague: Checked with my friend, he's definately, probably interested in any 900mhz airo pcmcia cards you might want to get rid of |
| 18:49:58 | TomW | BZFlag: Ok. He'll just have to wait a bit more. He ordered it two weeks ago, so he hasn't given it enough time. Thanks. |
| 18:50:25 | prpplague | AlHazWork: i've not yet had a chance to go through the cards i have, i should have a chance this weekend |
| 18:50:33 | AlHazWork | prpplague: No rush |
| 18:50:52 | prpplague | anyone know of any linux expos/conferences in the UK comming up? |
| 18:51:02 | AlHazWork | prpplague: The guy is a netware admin for a national HMO, aparantly they're one of the few wireless lans you can really use w/ dos & netware |
| 18:51:18 | AlHazWork | prpplague: that and he's using 900mhz airo ISA cards to resell his VDSL line to his neighbors |
| 18:51:33 | prpplague | AlHazWork: lol |
| 18:54:29 | AlHazWork | he's using a dos based router setup & everything. it's . . . . . . weird, sorta disturbing |
| 18:57:30 | BZFlag | TomW: Torsten Grunig? he sent the shipping later. |
| 18:58:19 | TomW | BZFlag: Thorsten Erdmann |
| 18:59:29 | BZFlag | he asked for surface. |
| 18:59:32 | TomW | BZFlag: Two units and he paid via PayPal. |
| 18:59:45 | BZFlag | order on the 20th, so they will take a month or two to get there. |
| 19:00:07 | TomW | BZFlag: Ok, I'll let him know. Thanks. |
| 19:00:13 | BZFlag | you bet. |
| 19:00:31 | BZFlag | that's your howto page, yes? |
| 19:00:39 | BZFlag | any change of putting it in the wiki? ;-) |
| 19:01:02 | BZFlag | http://www.openhardware.net/TuxScreen/ ? |
| 19:01:18 | BZFlag | er chance... |
| 19:02:56 | TomW | BZFlag: I can do that. I have been very busy lately and have yet to get back to working on the Tux. :-( The perf board thing has been running fine for a while, so it will soon be time to resume work on that.<br> I will update the Wiki with my page data. |
| 19:03:50 | TomW | BZFlag: I have to strip out some of the driver code that runs the phone so I can free up some I/O lines. |
| 19:05:47 | TomW | BZFlag: I have eight projects on the board... I wonder just where this "recession" is that they are talking about? |
| 19:06:18 | TomW | BZFlag: board == white board != PCB board. |
| 19:07:10 | BZFlag | ah, board != workbench. |
| 19:08:30 | BZFlag | recession == "those who have the skills are expected to do 5x the work to cover those that have been downsized" |
| 19:09:58 | prpplague | BZFlag: recession == (5xWORK)*PAY^0 |
| 19:12:37 | BZFlag | heh |
| 19:26:41 | prpplague | so long doc! |
| 19:48:17 | prpplague | for anyone that cares about the discussion last night about the page size usage in the devmem2 application |
| 19:48:29 | prpplague | i've create a notes page discussing the issue |
| 19:48:31 | prpplague | http://www.abcsinc.com/small-linux/mmap.txt |
| 19:50:34 | prpplague | comments are welcome - dave123@abcsinc.com |
| 20:07:23 | TomW | prpplague: Yeah, I kind of figured that one out. I am still new to the concepts of an MMU and how to work with it. |
| 20:10:02 | boodle | is back (gone 02:29:16) |
| 20:18:38 | CosmicPenguin | New to the concept of a MMU? Thats odd... most people are new to the concept of missing a MMU |
| 20:19:04 | prpplague | TomW: was the doc understandable? |
| 20:20:29 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: most of us who started on the x86 side of things kinda took the mmu operations for granted |
| 20:21:29 | CosmicPenguin | always took the MMU for granted |
| 20:21:34 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i really think if you want to understand clunky x86 technology is study arm systems a little |
| 20:22:15 | ctr | i almost have familiar install on my psion |
| 20:22:24 | prpplague | ctr: cool |
| 20:23:10 | ctr | i've been hacking the configs to get it to work on my psion [ie. remove all ipaq specifi tstuff] |
| 20:23:19 | ctr | and my buildroot-psion works great with kernels |
| 20:27:10 | ctr | now to try X |
| 20:34:05 | ctr | how do i calibrate the screen? |
| 20:38:33 | prpplague | any recomend a 320x240 lcd panel that works well with sa-11xx? |
| 21:20:24 | prpplague | anyone know if there is a wiki page that has the specs on the backlight inverter? |
| 21:35:25 | GPSFan | prpplague: this might be a nice 320 x 240 panel, http://sharp-world.com/products/device/lcd/pdf/lq039q2ds54.pdf unfortunately most sources of real Sharp data sheets on the web have evaporated. |
| 21:37:38 | prpplague | GPSFan: yes i've noticed that |
| 21:38:03 | prpplague | GPSFan: i'm thinking aobut ordering up a couple more tuxscreens just for the lcd panels |
| 21:39:39 | GPSFan | prpplague: there used to be a Sharp site that actually had real data sheets, it was taken down about a year ago. Sharp has always been very reluctant to hand out real data sheets to even those in the business. Much less now too. |
| 21:41:05 | GPSFan | prpplague: tha panels are worth more than the $99 that BZFlag gets for the whole tux. |
| 21:41:31 | prpplague | GPSFan: yep |
| 21:41:46 | jacques | how can they get away with that? |
| 21:41:50 | jacques | do they have a monopoly? |
| 21:42:06 | jacques | how can ppl use their products without datasheets? |
| 21:42:20 | prpplague | GPSFan: guess i could make headless pr0n servers out of the arm board...lol |
| 21:42:25 | AlHazWork | they don't care until you start talking about millions of units |
| 21:43:06 | GPSFan | prpplague: lol, NEC, Kyocera, Hitachi, all have real data sheets that you can download. |
| 21:43:09 | prpplague | AlHazWork: exactly, we've tried before to talk to sharp..... |
| 21:43:28 | prpplague | GPSFan: ya the Kyocera stuff looks nice |
| 21:43:48 | jacques | well maybe the market will teach them |
| 21:44:16 | GPSFan | prpplague: it is, I had an 800 x 600 reflective panel of theirs, it was quite nice. |
| 21:45:53 | GPSFan | jacques: not likely, it's been like this since the first TFT color LCD's were developed in the early 90's |
| 21:46:10 | prpplague | GPSFan: i'd like to find a nice 6.5" 640x480 w/ ts |
| 21:47:18 | signal11 | prpplague: they are available if you want to spend $500 |
| 21:48:01 | prpplague | signal11: /10 maybe lol |
| 21:48:41 | GPSFan | prpplague: hear is a nice one from citizen, no tp though, but a full data sheet. http://www.shoreline-electronics.com/lcddata/K6488L.PDF |
| 21:48:42 | AlHazWork | color panels are hard to make, so every manufacturer considers their process to be a secret. |
| 21:48:51 | AlHazWork | that doesn't relate, at all, to the datasheets on how to use them |
| 21:49:05 | AlHazWork | but the people in charge don't know that |
| 21:49:17 | signal11 | there are overlay touch screens that you can use with any lcd. |
| 21:49:28 | signal11 | also expensive in small quantities |
| 21:49:39 | AlHazWork | signal11: I've never seen a panel that had an actual built in touch screen |
| 21:49:48 | AlHazWork | signal11: they're usually stuck on with double-sided tape |
| 21:49:57 | signal11 | somone in this channel needs to get a part time job with sharp to get us all good deals on panels |
| 21:50:27 | prpplague | lol |
| 21:50:34 | prpplague | any volunteers? |
| 21:51:08 | GPSFan | prpplague: I've used Dynapro touch panels, they work quite well, and are much clearer than the early resistive film panels. |
| 21:51:50 | prpplague | GPSFan: ya thats what some of our vendors are trying to push on us combined with sharp lcd's |
| 21:52:27 | CosmicPenguin | GPSFan: The Dynapro panels are really nice.... |
| 21:53:03 | CosmicPenguin | Compared to a bad chip like the UCB1X00, its night and day when you use the Dynapro stuff |
| 21:53:13 | CosmicPenguin | (with their controller, of course) |
| 21:53:35 | GPSFan | CosmicPenguin: Dynapro will sell you the controller chips OEM if you want to build your own interface. USB or serial. |
| 21:55:41 | GPSFan | prpplague: you might look at NEC for a 320 x 240 panel, just ran across this: http://www.necel.com/news/2001/01605.cfm |
| 21:56:50 | prpplague | GPSFan: ya that might be worth a look |
| 21:58:28 | prpplague | slowly disassemblies his tuxscreen |
| 22:01:58 | GPSFan | prpplague: a real data sheet too: http://www.necel.com/docs/files/242202b.pdf |
| 22:05:05 | sjm | morning all |
| 22:05:24 | sjm | prpplague: Saw your mmap notes on the web. Ta. |
| 22:05:39 | | sjm: I forgot sjm |
| 22:05:39 | sjm | ibot: forget sjm |
| 22:06:16 | | OK, sjm. |
| 22:06:16 | sjm | ibot: sjm is using kernel 2.4.17-rmk5-aph with the buildroot rfom CVS |
| 22:06:27 | sjm | Doh |
| 22:06:32 | | sjm: I forgot sjm |
| 22:06:32 | sjm | ibot: forget sjm |
| 22:07:40 | | OK, sjm. |
| 22:07:40 | sjm | ibot: sjm is using kernel-2.4.17-rmk5-aph with the buildroot from CVS and microwin-aph-11feb2002 |
| 22:12:03 | prpplague | sjm: np, glad you asked the question |
| 22:13:35 | sjm | prpplague: It works out kind of well - I can mmap the base address, then access other registers using an offset pointer |
| 22:13:43 | prpplague | anyone what the voltage input is on the inverter for the tuxscreen lcd? |
| 22:14:18 | GPSFan | prpplague: 5V |
| 22:14:38 | prpplague | sjm: yes, i found the devmem2 app when i was starting work on a pcmcia controller attached to the sa-1100 bus |
| 22:14:43 | prpplague | GPSFan: cool thanks |
| 22:15:23 | prpplague | GPSFan: now i just need pinouts for the LM8v31 |
| 22:15:59 | prpplague | hmm, i guess i could use a small 320x240 lcd on the tuxscreen |
| 22:16:22 | GPSFan | prpplague: I'm not quite sure how the backlight intensity part works though. Then it would be a tuxpac. |
| 22:17:14 | GPSFan | prpplague: I should have traced them out for the schematics, but got lazy. |
| 22:18:36 | GPSFan | prpplague: try here: http://www.iptel-now.de/HOWTO/LM8V31/lm8v31.html |
| 22:21:38 | prpplague | GPSFan: is that your page? |
| 22:21:46 | GPSFan | nope. |
| 22:21:53 | GPSFan | some one in Germany. |
| 22:24:31 | prpplague | GPSFan: great that has the pdf spec sheet |
| 22:25:08 | Russ | ok |
| 22:25:29 | Russ | http://russ.dhs.org/files/tuxpatches/patch-2.4.18-rmk1-tux1.bz2 (for real this time) |
| 22:26:13 | prpplague | GPSFan: they did a nice job the tuxpad |
| 22:28:26 | GPSFan | prpplague: they did at that, you might try here for surplus displays, they used to have some of the ones that the Tux uses, but they seem to be gone. |
| 22:28:28 | GPSFan | http://www.73.com/a/0371.shtml |
| 22:29:36 | prpplague | GPSFan: ya, i've purchased other items from them before |
| 22:32:55 | prpplague | GPSFan: i wonder what lcd panel the libretto uses.... |
| 22:34:28 | prpplague | i guess i could use the lcd out of my ceiva unit, its the same as the tuxscreen but without ts |
| 22:53:00 | Hiraghm | Halp |
| 22:53:03 | Hiraghm | is frustrated |
| 22:53:13 | prpplague | Hiraghm: get a gf |
| 22:53:30 | Hiraghm | Why? I don't want to be more frustrated, I want to be less frustrated |
| 22:53:33 | jacques | easier said than done |
| 22:53:39 | jacques | LOL good one |
| 22:53:49 | prpplague | Hiraghm: point well taken |
| 22:53:58 | Hiraghm | I'm running The Gimp |
| 22:54:04 | Hiraghm | I've got the print dialogue up |
| 22:54:19 | Hiraghm | but it's taller than my screen, and I can't resize it, and I can't scroll it so I can get that "print this darn picture now" button |
| 22:54:27 | Hiraghm | (assuming such a button exists) |
| 22:54:35 | Hiraghm | err that == at |
| 22:55:02 | Hiraghm | this happens with most all of my dialogues |
| 22:55:35 | Hiraghm | when I installed, I told it 800 x 600, so now why does it think I'm at 800 by 768 or whatever? |
| 22:56:18 | Hiraghm | anyone with a clue? |
| 22:56:56 | Hiraghm | sighs, clearly disappointed |
| 22:57:29 | AlHazWork | Hiraghm: dunno what to tell you, I hate big dialogs like that |
| 22:58:14 | sjm | Hiraghm: which wm do you have? do you have virtual desktops? |
| 22:59:39 | Hiraghm | KDE |
| 22:59:50 | Hiraghm | I have 4 desktops, I don't know what KDE calls virtual. |
| 22:59:55 | Russ | oh |
| 23:00:02 | Russ | wise sawfish, its a cinch to fix |
| 23:00:34 | Hiraghm | huh? |
| 23:00:59 | Hiraghm | sjm, if there's somewhere I can set the desktop to be larger than the screensize, I haven't done it but would love to |
| 23:01:17 | Russ | Hiraghm: XF86Config |
| 23:01:30 | Russ | sawfish lets you do region grab resizing |
| 23:01:55 | Russ | so if you grab the lower left of the left side and pull up, the window will get smaller |
| 23:02:13 | Russ | also, if you grab a border with the middle mouse button, the window will move |
| 23:05:49 | Moppet | In some windowmanager configurations, possibly including KDE, hold Alt or Meta and drag anywhere in the window. |
| 23:06:21 | prpplague | ok guys anyone have a resource for inverters? |
| 23:06:33 | Russ | what kind |
| 23:06:53 | Russ | the -|>o- kind? |
| 23:08:13 | prpplague | shows his lcd ignorance...... |
| 23:08:31 | sjm | ascii art :) |
| 23:08:32 | Russ | thats ascii art for a not gate |
| 23:09:04 | prpplague | Russ: one like whats used in the tuxscreen? |
| 23:09:21 | Russ | ? |
| 23:09:39 | Russ | you mean LVC logic? |
| 23:10:43 | prpplague | Russ: to operate the backlight |
| 23:10:49 | Russ | oh, I dunno |
| 23:11:01 | Russ | I got burned by one of those on a laptop once |
| 23:11:07 | Russ | just a little pinprick burn |
| 23:14:05 | Hiraghm | Moppet, I'll give that a try |
| 23:18:37 | prpplague | Russ: check this out - http://www.ergpower.com/ |
| 23:18:53 | prpplague | Russ: they have specs and cross reference db on lcds |
| 23:19:20 | Russ | "click here for your free inverter" |
| 23:26:39 | Hiraghm | is becoming increasingly pist |
| 23:26:50 | Hiraghm | All I need are a few pictures printed |
| 23:27:23 | Hiraghm | I have the color printer hooked up to the stupid Linux notebook. And I can't do anything cause I can't click "OK" or "Cancel"! |
| 23:27:38 | sjm | Hiraghm: Like moppet said, hold down ALT, then left-click in the window and drag it. |
| 23:28:51 | sjm | Hiraghm: Must use left ALT |
| 23:33:52 | Hiraghm | It worked |
| 23:33:56 | Hiraghm | thank goodness for my sanity |
| 23:41:14 | CosmicPenguin | Hiraghm: the problem is that you *have* sanity... if you let it all go like us, you'll be much happier |
| 23:45:02 | Hiraghm | heheh |
| 23:45:19 | Hiraghm | I've got it printing on the portable printer now. of course, I need new ink cartridges and everything is coming out washed-out. |
| 23:45:38 | Hiraghm | anybody know where I can find printer drivers for a Panasonic kx-p2130 printer? |
| 23:45:54 | AlHazWork | for which os? |
| 23:46:31 | Hiraghm | Linux of course |
| 23:46:34 | Hiraghm | Mandrake 8.1 |
| 23:47:11 | Hiraghm | btw, the tux doesn't have an fpu does it? |
| 23:47:38 | Russ | nope, no fpu |
| 23:47:39 | ctr | i am going to write some sort of makefile replacement in ferite |
| 23:47:40 | AlHazWork | http://www.linuxprinting.org/printer_list.cgi?make=Panasonic |
| 23:48:35 | Hiraghm | ferite |
| 23:49:05 | Russ | http://www.ferite.org/ |
| 23:49:08 | | it has been said that ferite is a cool programming langauge developed by boris, it can be found at http://ferite.org |
| 23:49:08 | Russ | ibot: ferite? |
| 23:51:19 | ctr | yesh ferite |
| 23:51:38 | ctr | i was thinking that if i write some pretty clean classes they can be used to build complex build rules |
| 23:52:45 | CosmicPenguin | ctr: Make a better kernel config system... piss off RMK.. :) |
| 23:52:51 | CosmicPenguin | Sorry, RMS... |
| 23:54:17 | ctr | hahahaa |
| 23:54:22 | ctr | yeah that would be funny |
| 23:54:29 | ctr | esp if it ran faster than cms2 |
