| 00:08:53 | mallum | prpplague: http://handhelds.org/~mallum/matchbox/ |
| 00:09:54 | prpplague | mallum: thanks |
| 00:23:26 | scanline | is back (gone 00:26:05) |
| 00:23:53 | CosmicPenguin | is away: Spam, spam, lovely spam, wonderful spam... |
| 00:25:25 | prpplague | so long cpenguin_work |
| 00:50:31 | Hiraghm | Hi |
| 00:50:43 | Hiraghm | waves near everyone |
| 00:50:47 | | bonjour, Hiraghm |
| 00:50:47 | Hiraghm | ibot hi |
| 01:01:31 | Hiraghm | I guess boodle is having trouble staying connectifiated |
| 01:17:44 | Hiraghm | waves near boodle |
| 01:17:51 | Hiraghm | waves near Morn |
| 01:17:52 | Hiraghm | Hi Morn |
| 01:21:11 | Hiraghm | waves near boodle |
| 01:22:02 | boodle | Hiraghm: hi/bye/hi |
| 01:26:33 | Hiraghm | wonders what boodle is up to |
| 01:27:10 | Russ | anyone here know much about the 32M sodimm stuff? |
| 01:27:13 | boodle | testing irc autoreg scripts :) |
| 01:34:19 | prpplague | Russ: Spacecoaster was doing all that research IIRC |
| 01:42:43 | Sammy | Yo |
| 01:52:00 | scanline | is away: digital logic lab |
| 02:25:18 | ProtWork | w |
| 02:25:21 | ProtWork | D'oh. |
| 03:09:14 | | andersee was last seen on #tuxscreen 7 hours, 26 minutes and 47 seconds ago, saying: is away: I'm busy [Tue Feb 26 19:42:27 2002] |
| 03:09:14 | jacques | ibot: seen andersee |
| 03:11:47 | | Tangent was last seen on #intimate 4 hours, 38 minutes and 32 seconds ago, saying: you'll probably need to copy the /lib/modules/ stuff from familiar onto your drive too [Tue Feb 26 22:33:15 2002] |
| 03:11:47 | jacques | ibot: seen Tangent |
| 03:20:40 | | anyone was last seen on #handhelds.org 115 days, 22 hours, 5 minutes and 48 seconds ago, saying: were you looking for me? [Sat Nov 3 05:14:52 2001] |
| 03:20:40 | jacques | ibot: seen anyone interesting? |
| 04:04:06 | scanline | is back (gone 02:12:06) |
| 04:10:06 | jacques | wb scanline |
| 04:10:50 | scanline | thanks |
| 04:11:01 | scanline | is trying out sbarnes' HWR software |
| 04:24:11 | jacques | HWR? |
| 04:28:30 | scanline | handwriting recognition |
| 04:29:53 | CosmicPenguin | jacques: Can I pick your brain quickly? |
| 04:43:19 | jacques | CosmicPenguin: yes |
| 05:01:43 | scanline | has a feeling NVidia's opengl implementation is really fast and really buggy |
| 06:15:53 | andersee | jacques: I'm here |
| 06:16:04 | andersee | jacques: I've been on my laptop... |
| 06:16:07 | andersee | is back (gone 10:33:39) |
| 06:26:15 | sjm | time to go home, good night all |
| 06:26:45 | jacques | hi andersee |
| 06:27:44 | andersee | hey |
| 07:55:04 | jacques | andersee: AFAYK has anyone build SDL against uclibc? |
| 08:28:58 | jacques | WOW bzflag is cool |
| 08:29:04 | jacques | I'd never tried it before |
| 08:40:22 | andersee | jacques: not that I know of... |
| 08:40:54 | jacques | hmg, that would open up so many games |
| 08:41:37 | andersee | yeah. |
| 08:41:49 | andersee | I wouldn't expect many problems... |
| 08:42:21 | jacques | I think I looked at it a wihle back but got stumped by something |
| 08:44:18 | jacques | I'll take another look |
| 08:44:30 | jacques | ... when I get home |
| 08:44:55 | | OK, jacques. |
| 08:44:55 | jacques | ibot: message for bzflag bzflag the game is COOL! I just tried it for the first time. |
| 11:11:16 | scanline | is away: ZzZzzzzzzz |
| 14:11:47 | fontenot | hi GPSFan |
| 14:12:22 | GPSFan | morning... fontenot: |
| 15:09:53 | prpplague | morning all |
| 15:15:07 | cpenguin_work | is back (gone 14:51:11) |
| 15:15:17 | prpplague | morning CosmicPenguin |
| 15:15:34 | CosmicPenguin | morning prpplague |
| 15:15:40 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: were you here yesterday when i was complain about the LinuxWorld "Highlights" email? |
| 15:16:15 | CosmicPenguin | yes... :) |
| 15:16:18 | CosmicPenguin | that was lol... |
| 15:16:45 | prpplague | well idg email has been flamed bad |
| 15:17:01 | prpplague | apparently i wasn't the only one pissed |
| 15:17:29 | CosmicPenguin | I can imagine |
| 15:19:17 | CosmicPenguin | http://www.entertainmentearth.com/prodinfo.asp?number=RCUC16 |
| 15:19:18 | CosmicPenguin | and |
| 15:19:35 | CosmicPenguin | http://www.entertainmentearth.com/prodinfo.asp?number=RCUC15 |
| 15:20:16 | CosmicPenguin | http://www.entertainmentearth.com/hitlist.asp?collect=Pewter |
| 15:20:30 | CosmicPenguin | See? Now I have to go buy these things |
| 15:21:23 | prpplague | lol |
| 15:21:49 | ctr | bought a 256mb flash card today |
| 15:22:44 | prpplague | ctr: cool, what kinda $$? |
| 16:01:09 | andersee | BZFlag: you around? |
| 16:09:30 | prpplague | andersee: morning |
| 16:10:11 | andersee | morning |
| 16:10:23 | andersee | moving day for busybox.net and uclibc.org... |
| 16:11:41 | fontenot | ah, good luck :-) |
| 16:11:47 | andersee | Will be on a nice speedy (and much better connected) server in a few hours.. |
| 16:12:27 | fontenot | :-) |
| 16:13:05 | prpplague | andersee: nice, have fun |
| 16:14:15 | andersee | is looking forward to having his bandwidth back |
| 16:14:20 | andersee | :-) |
| 16:14:23 | fontenot | heh |
| 16:15:00 | andersee | I pushed out over 8 GB of busybox, uclibc, udhcp, etc uploads last month... |
| 16:15:27 | andersee | That didn't leave a lot of bandwidth for me... |
| 16:16:21 | fontenot | i bet |
| 16:29:08 | BZFlag | andersee: heya |
| 16:29:21 | BZFlag | where are they headed? |
| 16:29:26 | fontenot | BZFlag: you live |
| 16:29:41 | BZFlag | from time to time, sure. |
| 16:29:54 | fontenot | BZFlag: now I am addiced to bzflag after one night of playing |
| 16:30:07 | andersee | BZFlag: I think I managed to get all the DNS caches reloaded |
| 16:30:19 | BZFlag | fontenot: excellent. ;-) |
| 16:30:34 | BZFlag | andersee: how? |
| 16:30:41 | fontenot | BZFlag: maybe not :-D |
| 16:30:43 | andersee | BZFlag: I changed the root servers for all my domains, and that seems to have done it. |
| 16:31:25 | andersee | BZFlag: Now, 24 hours later, everywhere that had cached wrong stuff seems to have dumped it. |
| 16:32:16 | fontenot | must sleep |
| 16:32:18 | fontenot | later guys |
| 16:32:24 | fontenot | goes idle. |
| 16:34:32 | ctr | prpplague: about $130 |
| 16:35:28 | BZFlag | andersee: so you think it was the change? or that some requests are still gettting mangled? |
| 16:38:15 | andersee | BZFlag: I'm sure those were just broken DNS servers that misinterpreted what a 0 ttl means. But by changing the nameservers for all my domains, I think that forced them to dump their (broken) cached values. I'm sure our current setup is working fine -- it was just the broken cached junk. |
| 16:45:10 | prpplague | BZFlag: hey, i've got a university asking about dev boards for a embedded system class, still got enough tuxscreen for me recomend them? |
| 16:56:58 | BZFlag | prpplague: around 400 left. |
| 16:57:18 | BZFlag | andersee: hmm. perhaps I should move nameservers someplace and then move back? |
| 16:58:44 | andersee | BZFlag: I think that would be wise, given the results I'm seeing so far. With all the old stale records flushed, I'm happier than a clam. :) |
| 16:59:00 | BZFlag | sweet. |
| 16:59:18 | prpplague | BZFlag: ok, i'll go ahead and recomend |
| 17:12:31 | BZFlag | prpplague: how many will they want? |
| 17:12:42 | BZFlag | and how soon? |
| 17:13:56 | prpplague | BZFlag: don't know for sure but it sounds like around 100 |
| 17:17:15 | BZFlag | and they will be teaching embedded linux? cool! ;-) |
| 17:21:09 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: That sounds like an awesome class... do they need TAs? :) |
| 17:30:44 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: TAs? |
| 17:31:35 | andersee | Teachers Assistant |
| 17:31:51 | prpplague | andersee: duh, i should know that one... |
| 17:32:05 | prpplague | has been out of academic arena for awhile |
| 17:32:09 | andersee | used to be a TA in grad school |
| 17:37:38 | scanline | is back (gone 06:26:22) |
| 17:38:14 | prpplague | scanline: howdy there, back from your "underwater basket weaving" class ? |
| 17:38:32 | scanline | prpplague: no, back from my sleep :p |
| 17:38:48 | prpplague | scanline: up all night partying |
| 17:39:05 | scanline | yep yep... |
| 18:33:31 | AlHazWork | wonders who thought it would be a good idea to bring back the netwinder |
| 18:33:55 | AlHazWork | thought corel and rebel.com demonstrated pretty unequivocally that they're not a cash-positive proposition |
| 18:37:37 | andersee | likes his netwinder |
| 18:37:50 | andersee | But then, I got mine for free.... |
| 18:41:43 | AlHazWork | hey, I'd like one for free too |
| 18:41:58 | AlHazWork | it came down to rebel.com getting rid of their stock for $600/ea on ebay |
| 18:41:59 | AlHazWork | slowly |
| 18:42:32 | AlHazWork | i hope they at least think to redesign it |
| 18:42:50 | AlHazWork | sa110 prolly isn't the best price/performance these days |
| 18:43:07 | andersee | They are nice boxes. Would be nice if it had a PCI slot and/or USB though |
| 18:43:12 | AlHazWork | Yeah |
| 18:43:37 | AlHazWork | but i think for businesses they lack a compelling reason to buy them |
| 18:44:00 | AlHazWork | maybe this netwinder.com business is more or less just like the company currently using the Amiga trademark |
| 18:45:08 | andersee | I understand their new crusoe based boxen were supposed to be pretty cool too... |
| 18:45:52 | AlHazWork | maybe i just shouldn't pay any attention to /. article |
| 18:45:53 | AlHazWork | s |
| 18:46:08 | AlHazWork | like a link to a study of why .com's failed |
| 18:46:25 | AlHazWork | duh, their business plans didn't include a method for making more money than they spent |
| 18:46:51 | prpplague | AlHazWork: have you done much with crusoe processors? i've not been overly impressed with the performance over other mobile x86 chips |
| 18:47:03 | AlHazWork | and those that did have a business plan that appeard to be cash-positive were based on insufficent research |
| 18:47:30 | AlHazWork | prpplague: to the best of my knowledge I've never been within fifty feet of one |
| 18:47:36 | prpplague | AlHazWork: lol |
| 18:47:58 | AlHazWork | maybe I walked past a notebook that had one in it, but it didn't tap me on the shoulder and say hello |
| 18:48:32 | AlHazWork | prpplague: It would be nice if they were better, I don't know. the cpu isn't the biggest power hog in the case. |
| 18:48:36 | prpplague | AlHazWork: personally, i believe if you going into biz in the tech sector, you should have at least two standard ways of producing income, and one research projects |
| 18:49:23 | AlHazWork | prpplague: Well, the sad thing is, is that there are methods for determining if your business plan has a snowcone's chance in hell, but they don't teach them in business schools |
| 18:49:37 | AlHazWork | if you major in business management or accounting, you'll never hear about them |
| 18:49:47 | AlHazWork | 'cause they only teach them to econ majors |
| 18:50:09 | prpplague | AlHazWork: thats sad |
| 18:51:05 | AlHazWork | My older brother and one of my best friends both have econ masters degrees |
| 18:51:20 | AlHazWork | neither of them ever invested heavily in tech stocks |
| 18:51:31 | AlHazWork | and would just go silent whenever people started talking them up |
| 18:51:46 | prpplague | lol |
| 18:51:46 | AlHazWork | Even tho both of them work in the tech sector. |
| 18:51:48 | as | Evnin all. |
| 18:51:54 | prpplague | howdy as |
| 18:51:59 | AlHazWork | hey as |
| 18:52:00 | as | prp :] |
| 18:52:54 | as | AlHaz :] |
| 19:04:10 | scanline | is away: pseudofood + class |
| 19:05:30 | andersee | sleep time |
| 19:05:34 | andersee | is away: I'm busy |
| 19:26:58 | scanline | is back (gone 00:22:48) |
| 20:28:29 | prpplague | going incognito andersen_ ? |
| 20:56:06 | prpplague | SpaceCoaster: howdy there |
| 20:58:31 | SpaceCoaster | hi |
| 21:00:57 | BZFlag | andersen_: nice _ there. oh, and did you check on microcom? http://microcom.port5.com/ |
| 21:05:46 | prpplague | BZFlag: whats that about microcom? we use that extensively |
| 21:06:52 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: Have you had an need to load images at runtime with FLTK? |
| 21:08:37 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: negative, i don't use many images, but those that i have used i've not need to load at runtime |
| 21:09:15 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: I was just interested in hearing if you had a favorite image library |
| 21:09:27 | CosmicPenguin | But I guess I can roll my own... not too tough.... |
| 21:11:08 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: lol, if it was up to me, the internet would probably still be ansi text |
| 21:15:15 | prpplague | BZFlag: microcom does nicely for a lot of applications, but i had to do some hacking to change to setup menu |
| 21:32:09 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: wahoo! idg issued a letter of appology! |
| 21:37:58 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: cool.... is the URL online? |
| 21:40:16 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: they only sent it to the original group |
| 21:41:26 | prpplague | IDG holds your privacy in great regard and regrets this inadvertent error, which |
| 21:41:26 | prpplague | by any definition constitutes spam. It will not happen again! |
| 21:42:28 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: they also said, in the future, all documents would be sent in a more portable fashion |
| 21:42:52 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: life is full of small victories! |
| 21:43:36 | prpplague | SpaceCoaster: did you do any work on the lcd driver for the tuxscreen? |
| 21:46:07 | SpaceCoaster | prpplague: nope, before my time |
| 21:47:45 | prpplague | anyone else a sa11xx lcd guru? |
| 21:48:44 | CosmicPenguin | hardware or software? |
| 21:50:10 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: both...., i've got 3 different arm boards and 6 lcds, i want to see if i can get them running |
| 21:50:46 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i just needs a couple of questions answered, any suggestions on some text about integration of lcd on the sa-11xx? |
| 21:50:56 | CosmicPenguin | So basically, you are running the same chipset on all the LCDs |
| 21:52:11 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: do you have a copy of the developers manual |
| 21:52:18 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: no 6 different types |
| 21:52:29 | CosmicPenguin | 6 different chipset? |
| 21:52:31 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ya i've got the sa-1100 developers manual |
| 21:52:53 | CosmicPenguin | The LCD interface is can be found in chapter 11, page 13... |
| 21:52:57 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ya i pick different ones to see what kind of problem i ran into |
| 21:53:12 | CosmicPenguin | But you are going to use the same controller on the SA-1100 chip, right? |
| 21:53:22 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yes that is correct |
| 21:55:38 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: is there a copy of the developers manual available in pdf? |
| 21:57:17 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: nm, i forget there is one on the lart site |
| 22:00:57 | sjm | hi all |
| 22:01:10 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: the sa1100fb driver should work with, properly configure, any lcd, right? |
| 22:17:12 | prpplague | 's brain slowly begins to resemble guacamole |
| 22:21:17 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: I believe so..... |
| 22:22:06 | CosmicPenguin | Lets put it this way - Of all the SA1100 platforms that I have seen, it seems that the framebuffer driver is the first thing to work correctly |
| 22:22:17 | CosmicPenguin | That implies that the LCD driver is pretty straight forward |
| 22:23:04 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: the more i read, it looks like you just need to feed the correct settings for registers and off you go |
| 22:23:25 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: all six of these lcd's have docs with the correct sa-11xx register settings |
| 22:23:35 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: then you are set! |
| 22:24:11 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: its sooo much easier to do this when you have a little help! thanks |
| 22:26:07 | CosmicPenguin | It doesn't seem that I was much help after all... but you're welcome anyway |
| 22:29:29 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: every little bit helps |
| 22:36:44 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i'll probably end up writing some notes on how this turns out |
| 22:37:17 | CosmicPenguin | mmm.... documentation..... |
| 22:37:42 | prpplague | loves to write up helpful notes |
| 22:37:48 | prpplague | and or collect |
| 23:00:23 | sjm | Dumb question: Is it possible to access GPIO from user space, or do I *have* to use a kernel device driver? |
| 23:00:50 | CosmicPenguin | IRRC, you can read the GPIO pins from userland (/proc) |
| 23:00:56 | CosmicPenguin | s/IRRC/IIRC/ |
| 23:02:41 | sjm | Hmm... but that's still kernel based, can I write directly using something like GPSR = ... ? |
| 23:05:27 | prpplague | sjm: there is a utility on the lart page for doing i/o routins from userland |
| 23:05:39 | sjm | To summarise: I'm trying to toggle an IO pin fro user space. It compiles/links okay, but segfaults when it's run. Is this normal? Is there some sort of locking mechanism that prevents this? |
| 23:05:40 | prpplague | sjm: very helpful doing diags |
| 23:05:58 | prpplague | sjm: hang on and i'll get you the url |
| 23:06:01 | sjm | prpplague: thanks :) |
| 23:06:16 | Hiraghm | waves near everyone |
| 23:06:19 | Hiraghm | waves near everyone else |
| 23:06:40 | Hiraghm | pokes sjm |
| 23:06:41 | Hiraghm | Hi |
| 23:07:01 | sjm | says ouch! |
| 23:07:08 | Hiraghm | why does it segfault, ya think? |
| 23:07:16 | Hiraghm | tries to sound semi-intelligent |
| 23:07:30 | | salut, Hiraghm |
| 23:07:30 | Hiraghm | ibot hi |
| 23:07:34 | Hiraghm | waves near Morn |
| 23:08:04 | Hiraghm | gonna try installing the toolchain tonight, sjm. Now that I have the linux machine talking to my server. |
| 23:08:59 | Hiraghm | sjm, I need a map of australia so I can find Melbourne. |
| 23:09:08 | prpplague | sjm: http://www.lart.tudelft.nl/lartware/port/ |
| 23:09:26 | prpplague | sjm: its called devmem2.c at the bottom of the page |
| 23:09:50 | sjm | prplague: looking |
| 23:10:10 | Hiraghm | pokes prpplague |
| 23:10:14 | prpplague | Hiraghm / sjm : memory and io can not be access directly from userland with functions such as inb outb |
| 23:10:24 | Hiraghm | so don't use inb and outb |
| 23:10:29 | Hiraghm | waves near jacques |
| 23:10:34 | jacques | hi Hiraghm |
| 23:10:42 | jacques | rnus to the bank. |
| 23:10:47 | Hiraghm | I still need a map of Australia. anybody know a good online one? |
| 23:10:50 | prpplague | because the mmu is controling the addresses, you have to requestion the location be mapped in the mmu |
| 23:11:00 | Hiraghm | tried to rnus once, but tripped and hurt his ankle |
| 23:11:20 | Hiraghm | the tux has an mmu? |
| 23:11:32 | Russ|werk | the SA1100 has one |
| 23:11:38 | Hiraghm | waves near Russ |
| 23:11:39 | prpplague | as well as SA1110 |
| 23:11:49 | Hiraghm | which means the Tux has an mmu |
| 23:11:57 | CosmicPenguin | I hope it has a mmu |
| 23:12:00 | Russ|werk | if it didn't have one, we'd need uClinux |
| 23:12:32 | prpplague | in order for linux to do TRUE multithreads you need a mmu, else you are stuck with enviroments like uClinux |
| 23:13:07 | sjm | It's easy to write to IO ports in uClinux :) |
| 23:13:31 | prpplague | sjm: true enough, because you have no mmu to manage the address space |
| 23:14:47 | prpplague | sjm: no mmu limits the number of addressable spaces you can attach to your processor |
| 23:15:16 | prpplague | as i understand it, anyone feel free to add info if i missed something |
| 23:16:06 | sjm | prpplague: Thanks for the link - I'll give it a go. I suspected I would need something like this. I was just doing the same thing I do for uClinux. |
| 23:16:10 | Russ|werk | prpplague: you don't need the mmu's "permission" to write IO ports if you don't have one (I think thats what sjm is saying) |
| 23:16:52 | prpplague | Russ|werk: ahh |
| 23:17:02 | sjm | Russ|werk: Yep. Basically I just say IOPORT |= 0x80; or something like that. |
| 23:17:45 | prpplague | sjm: sorry, went a little overboard on info |
| 23:18:16 | prpplague | sjm: you use uClinux much? |
| 23:18:44 | sjm | prpplague: A fair bit - that's my day job :) |
| 23:19:09 | Hiraghm | waves near CosmicPenguin |
| 23:19:13 | prpplague | sjm: cool, if you don't mind, i may have to pick your brain someday soon! |
| 23:19:20 | CosmicPenguin | Hiraghm: whats going on? |
| 23:19:28 | sjm | prpplague: No problem :) |
| 23:19:46 | prpplague | sjm: i just made a proposal to management about porting uClinux to the new Cybiko extreme |
| 23:19:58 | Hiraghm | never even heard of uClinux before coming here |
| 23:20:13 | sjm | prpplague: RAM is not a problem, I think the 512k ROM may be a bit tight. |
| 23:20:24 | Hiraghm | CosmicPenguin, not a lot, I've got Mandrake running on the notebook, downloaded the toolchain to my server, going to install it tonight. |
| 23:20:26 | prpplague | sjm: already working on a nice cf backpack |
| 23:20:35 | sjm | prpplague: Ahh... |
| 23:20:54 | Hiraghm | backpack? |
| 23:21:03 | Hiraghm | cybiko doesn't have a slot? |
| 23:21:10 | Russ|werk | sjm: a bit? |
| 23:21:26 | prpplague | Hiraghm: the classic has a 68-pin slot and the extreme has 24-pin slot |
| 23:21:32 | sjm | Russ|werk: Well, about 50 hours a week for the past 12 months :) |
| 23:21:57 | prpplague | sjm: mind if ask where you work? |
| 23:22:33 | sjm | prpplague: Well, we've just been bought out by GE, so the new company name is now GE-Interlogix Inc. |
| 23:22:39 | Russ|werk | sjm: no, I meant 512k being a "bit" tight |
| 23:22:56 | sjm | prpplague: But locally, we trade as "Tecom Systems" |
| 23:23:05 | sjm | prpplague: www.tecom.com.au |
| 23:23:37 | prpplague | sjm: nice |
| 23:23:45 | sjm | Russ|werk: Oh! Yeah.... You might squeeze a minimal kernel in, but that's about it. No filesystem :( |
| 23:24:17 | Russ|werk | sjm: you could fit one or two apps |
| 23:24:41 | Russ|werk | -rwxr-xr-x 1 russ russ 373432 Jan 21 17:55 linux* |
| 23:24:50 | Russ|werk | -rwxr-xr-x 1 russ russ 39220 Jan 21 17:55 ftpd* |
| 23:25:09 | Hiraghm | sjm, why would it be at all profitable to port uClinux to the cybiko? |
| 23:25:11 | sjm | Russ|werk: Nice. What's the target? |
| 23:25:14 | Russ|werk | -rw-r--r-- 1 russ russ 393216 Feb 27 16:28 saveme.cramfs |
| 23:25:16 | Russ|werk | sa1100 |
| 23:25:47 | Russ|werk | boots, sets up eth0 to 192.168.0.1, waits for a firmware upload, erases flash, and then flashes the firmware |
| 23:26:26 | Russ|werk | (and then reboots) |
| 23:27:32 | prpplague | Hiraghm: a comparable device from symbol or intermec that includes a barcode scan will run abour $3000 |
| 23:28:11 | prpplague | Hiraghm: if we can produce use the cybiko extreme with a barcode scanner we have a HUGH market |
| 23:28:51 | prpplague | Russ|werk: nice |
| 23:29:19 | Hiraghm | Oh. |
| 23:29:30 | sjm | Russ|werk: I guess my 68k target is about the same size: |
| 23:29:32 | prpplague | Russ|werk: we'd only need two apps, one to receive input from the barcode scanner and one termapp to use the rf |
| 23:29:35 | sjm | -rwxrwxr-x 1 sjm sjm 74380 Feb 22 12:32 linux.data* |
| 23:29:36 | sjm | -rwxrwxr-x 1 sjm sjm 397856 Feb 22 12:33 linux.text* |
| 23:29:59 | Hiraghm | |
| 23:31:20 | prpplague | Hiraghm: http://www.symbol.com/products/mobile_computers/mobile_kb_pdt_6800.html |
| 23:31:46 | prpplague | Hiraghm: thats what most of our competitors use, suggest retail price $5999.00 |
| 23:32:29 | Hiraghm | oh |
| 23:32:45 | prpplague | Hiraghm: if we were able to sell a cybiko extreme for $1k we'd be racking in the sells |
| 23:33:00 | Hiraghm | but can it do what those others can do? |
| 23:33:22 | Hiraghm | I don't mean "is it possible to barely act in a similar fashion." |
| 23:33:56 | Hiraghm | remembers the emulator days of the 80s. |
| 23:34:02 | prpplague | Hiraghm: most of the other units are running embedded dr-dos with a telnet app, thats it |
| 23:34:32 | Russ|werk | prpplague: that shouldn't be that hard to do, just the proprietary hardware |
| 23:34:56 | Hiraghm | eww |
| 23:35:05 | Hiraghm | I haven't used DrDOS in a decade |
| 23:35:14 | prpplague | Russ|werk: ya i have a conference call with cybiko tomorrow morning |
| 23:35:40 | Morn | isn't it DR DOS (DR == Digital Research) |
| 23:35:46 | Morn | not Dr == Doctor |
| 23:35:59 | Hiraghm | yes it is |
| 23:36:11 | prpplague | Morn: that is correct, however it was purchased by caldera, then spun out to lineo |
| 23:36:35 | Morn | I remember the caldera thing, but didn't know about lineo |
| 23:36:41 | prpplague | Morn: and somewhere in there novell owned it for awhile |
| 23:36:42 | Hiraghm | prp, I volunteer to beta test 8c) |
| 23:37:06 | prpplague | Hiraghm: well we have to get the co-operation of cybiko first |
| 23:38:03 | Russ|werk | prpplague: that might not be easy, since you'd be releasing source to operate their proprietary hardware |
| 23:38:08 | Russ|werk | prpplague: might need to RE |
| 23:38:40 | prpplague | Russ|werk: thats what we have to talk to them about tomorrow |
| 23:39:12 | AlHazWork | prpplague: What's the Cybiko Extreme based on? I forget |
| 23:39:20 | prpplague | Russ|werk: i hoping that their open to it, or else they wouldn't started up the talks |
| 23:39:24 | prpplague | AlHazWork: H8S |
| 23:39:29 | AlHazWork | the old Cybiko was a low-end hitachi of some sort, wasn't it? |
| 23:39:32 | AlHazWork | prpplague: Hmm |
| 23:39:53 | prpplague | AlHazWork: ya very low end, but their rf is just plain awesome |
| 23:39:53 | AlHazWork | <-- knows diddly about that cpu |
| 23:40:09 | AlHazWork | prpplague: Yeah, I agree |
| 23:40:26 | Hiraghm | waves near AlHaz |
| 23:40:43 | AlHazWork | all the concepts behind the cybiko are solid, it's probably not taking off because it looks like a wearhouse barcode scanner |
| 23:40:46 | Hiraghm | prp, what is awsome about their rf? |
| 23:41:12 | AlHazWork | so it's ironic that you're suggesting use as a wearhouse barcode scanner :) |
| 23:41:16 | Hiraghm | it looks like a toy, actually. A kid's toy version of a pda. |
| 23:41:38 | Hiraghm | at least that was my initial reaction. |
| 23:41:49 | prpplague | sjm: i've got some additions notes and tools here if you have a need - http://www.abcsinc.com/small-linux/ |
| 23:41:59 | AlHazWork | just saw a pic of the Extreme, it definately has a better set of buttons than the old one |
| 23:42:04 | AlHazWork | at least, iirc |
| 23:42:06 | prpplague | Hiraghm: the extreme is much nicer |
| 23:42:23 | Hiraghm | prp, what's awesome about the rf? |
| 23:42:55 | Hiraghm | (not challenging your statement, I'm curious) |
| 23:43:04 | AlHazWork | Cheap and effective |
| 23:43:14 | AlHazWork | data radios are typically very expensive |
| 23:43:22 | prpplague | Hiraghm: the implemnetation provides peer to peer comunications as well as repeater functionality, and up to 30 channels, with 150" range indoors |
| 23:43:35 | Hiraghm | 150 feet? |
| 23:43:51 | Hiraghm | or inches? |
| 23:43:53 | AlHazWork | you can get a Cybiko Extreme for $99 |
| 23:43:58 | prpplague | Hiraghm: feet |
| 23:44:10 | Hiraghm | someone here can get em for $59 8c( |
| 23:44:14 | prpplague | Hiraghm: and outdoors i've gone almost 400 feet |
| 23:44:14 | AlHazWork | wow |
| 23:44:15 | Hiraghm | forgot who it was.. prp? |
| 23:44:38 | prpplague | Hiraghm: it was me, our local toys-r-us was running a sale |
| 23:44:51 | Hiraghm | I hate your local toys-r-us |
| 23:45:10 | prpplague | lol |
| 23:45:29 | AlHazWork | low-speed data radios for commercial use are shockingly expensive |
| 23:45:50 | prpplague | yep |
| 23:46:00 | AlHazWork | because they're "for" commercial use |
| 23:46:11 | AlHazWork | the same way that a computer with rack mount ears on it is "for" server use |
| 23:46:17 | AlHazWork | and thus costs twice as much |
| 23:46:43 | Hiraghm | Yeah, it's the Macintosh Syndrome, as I call it |
| 23:47:13 | Hiraghm | Amiga developers used to jack the prices of their software when they ported to the Mac because Mac users expected software to cost a lot more |
| 23:47:19 | Hiraghm | especially graphics software. |
| 23:47:37 | prpplague | AlHazWork: proxim is really bad about selling 802.11b pcmcia cards with modified attenna connectors for $1000 |
| 23:47:48 | AlHazWork | prpplague: Yep |
| 23:47:58 | Hiraghm | decides to blow Enterprise off tonight because he's got things to do. |
| 23:48:02 | AlHazWork | prpplague: They're not even doing anything special anymore, it's just a prism2 chipset |
| 23:48:12 | AlHazWork | Hiraghm: that's what TiVo is for |
| 23:48:18 | Hiraghm | don't got TiVo |
| 23:48:20 | Hiraghm | don't want TiVo |
| 23:48:22 | AlHazWork | poor soul |
| 23:48:25 | Hiraghm | would rather just blow Enterprise off. |
| 23:48:26 | AlHazWork | poor, misguided soul |
| 23:48:29 | AlHazWork | :) |
| 23:48:32 | Hiraghm | lol |
| 23:49:01 | Hiraghm | I wouldn't even *watch* Enterprise except the Quantum Leap guy is in it and the Vulcan has bit hooters. |
| 23:49:08 | AlHazWork | prpplague: Telxon sells 6 year old Aironet cards with modified antennae for hundreds of dollars, too |
| 23:49:09 | Hiraghm | err, big hooters |
| 23:49:17 | AlHazWork | pre-802.11 Aironet |
| 23:49:17 | Hiraghm | maybe they're bit hooters, I've never had a need to hoot a bit. |
| 23:49:19 | prpplague | Hiraghm: ha, love then vulcan hooters |
| 23:49:30 | AlHazWork | they probably switched to something else, since cisco owns airo now |
| 23:49:36 | Hiraghm | prp, well, see, they match the ears, is the thing. |
| 23:49:37 | Hiraghm | nods |
| 23:50:07 | Hiraghm | turn the cybiko into a notebook attachment to give wireless communications to notebooks. |
| 23:50:15 | Hiraghm | nods again. |
| 23:50:18 | CosmicPenguin | stupid C++ mangling |
| 23:50:24 | Hiraghm | ? |
| 23:50:28 | Russ|werk | stupid c++ |
| 23:50:35 | Hiraghm | stupid |
| 23:50:58 | Hiraghm | CP... what's the problem? |
| 23:50:58 | AlHazWork | prpplague: the Telxon pads they use at Home Depo are basically just a pc with a pcmcia wireless card that's connected to an external antenna, a friend of mine has one |
| 23:50:59 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: you could always switch to GW-Basic..... |
| 23:51:32 | CosmicPenguin | I forgot the freeking extern "C" { } |
| 23:51:33 | Hiraghm | what about crackability? |
| 23:51:45 | prpplague | AlHazWork: ya, i've got a whole room of them, i've been buying them on ebay and disassembling them |
| 23:52:01 | Hiraghm | would some schlub with a Cybiko be able to get information from someone using the Cybiko as a barcode scanning device? |
| 23:52:25 | Hiraghm | prp, at $5k apiece??? |
| 23:52:37 | AlHazWork | prpplague: heh, if you feel a need to get rid of 900mhz airo cards, I know a guy who might want them |
| 23:53:00 | prpplague | Hiraghm: most ppl sell them on ebay for less than $200 |
| 23:53:07 | Hiraghm | oh |
| 23:53:12 | prpplague | AlHazWork: i'll see what i have |
| 23:54:11 | prpplague | Hiraghm: there is the possibility of that happening, unless some sort of keying has been created, but what would someone want with upc codes? |
| 23:54:55 | Hiraghm | I don't know. would depend on what the people using the Cybiko for barcode scanning are inventorying, I guess. |
| 23:56:29 | AlHazWork | prpplague: I'll have to ask max if he's still shopping around for them, he may have all the 900mhz aironet stuff he needs |
| 23:56:50 | prpplague | Hiraghm: i guess a simple encryption scheme would probably prevent most snoopers, but i doubt that even with 802.11b you could keep someone determined out of the data |
| 23:57:28 | prpplague | AlHazWork: i'll check and see if any of the telxon pads i have have the aironet cards in them |
| 23:57:42 | AlHazWork | *nod* |
| 23:58:15 | AlHazWork | Hiraghm: the hard truth is that if someone is determined to get your data, they'll probably find a way. If you're concerned about something, encrypt it, so that it's harder for them to get. |
| 23:58:48 | AlHazWork | WEP encryption makes it about 2 hours harder than cleartext to get it |
| 23:59:09 | AlHazWork | ipsec would be a lot harder |