| 01:08:31 | CosmicPenguin | is away: "Time to go home and geek" |
| 01:24:00 | Russ|werk | hey andersee |
| 01:24:09 | Russ|werk | have you tried blob CVS on shannon lately? |
| 01:25:28 | Russ|werk | if I checkout anything past the 17th, it doesn't seem to work |
| 01:26:20 | andersee | nope |
| 01:26:22 | andersee | Havn't tried it |
| 01:26:34 | Russ|werk | when I get back to the dorm, I'm going to hook an LED across the UCB1300 reset andgnd |
| 01:27:15 | andersee | uClibc has been a bit unstable for nearly a week (since adding pthreads), but it seems to have firmed up again as of this afternoon |
| 01:27:28 | Russ|werk | also, the flash layout in shannon.c isn't quite right, the first block is broken up into 32k, 16k, 16k, 64k |
| 01:27:43 | andersee | Hmm. That seems odd |
| 01:27:52 | andersee | Lucky that blob is small I guess |
| 01:28:14 | Russ|werk | its handy, I use the first 32k for blob, the two 16k for a "journalled" config, and the 64k for static config stuff |
| 01:28:16 | Russ|werk | (on nesa) |
| 01:28:32 | Russ|werk | on shannon, I think the first 3 blocks should be blob, and the 4th block should be paramaters |
| 01:28:34 | andersee | I'm currently trying to figure out how to setup a debian buildd |
| 01:28:47 | Russ|werk | the build daemon? |
| 01:29:23 | andersee | Russ|werk: that works. Similar to how I setup the Ericsson blip -- mac addr and such in a reserved addr |
| 01:29:46 | andersee | Russ|werk: yup. I'm hoping to get a build daemon running churning out uClibc packages |
| 01:30:26 | Russ|werk | packages compiled against uclibc? |
| 01:31:06 | andersee | yup. |
| 01:31:18 | andersee | Seems like that could be useful to people... |
| 01:31:58 | andersee | but especially, useful to me, so I can see when things go wrong... |
| 01:33:00 | scanline | watches Netscape 2.02 eat his zip drive |
| 01:35:55 | ctr | heh |
| 02:04:43 | jacques | hi andersee, what's new? |
| 02:05:00 | file[bed] | doesn't get a "hi"? |
| 02:24:41 | jacques | hi BZFlag |
| 02:25:25 | scanline | hi BZFlag |
| 02:25:38 | scanline | i got a new 3D accelerator, so BZFlag should run better :) |
| 02:26:26 | jacques | scanline: cool, what did you get? |
| 02:27:18 | scanline | Well, i wanted to avoid NVidia due to proprietary drivers, but i'm too weak to wait for linux drivers for the Radeon 8500 |
| 02:27:22 | scanline | so i got a GeForce 3 |
| 02:27:43 | scanline | now that i have something that will actually run OpenGL i shall learn OpenGL programming |
| 02:27:50 | scanline | hopefully by writing an opengl PicoGUI driver |
| 02:28:09 | file[bed] | notes scanline's talking in here, very odd |
| 02:28:24 | jacques | scanline: cool - the fastest card I have ATM is a geforce 2 ultra |
| 02:28:33 | Russ|werk | scanline: you can do my assignments for me |
| 02:28:39 | scanline | well, this is a big upgrade from a Matrox G450 |
| 02:28:46 | andersee | jacques: not too much. |
| 02:28:52 | jacques | scanline: I have several nvidia cards - I dont like the closed binary drivers either though - it will be a while before the radeon 8500 is working |
| 02:28:56 | scanline | Russ|werk: you do openGL for school? |
| 02:28:56 | andersee | jacques: lots of uClibc cleanups as usual |
| 02:29:03 | Russ|werk | scanline: ya |
| 02:29:05 | scanline | would rather have Russ's classes |
| 02:29:13 | Russ|werk | scanline: I get to do it in gtk instead of MFC too |
| 02:29:20 | scanline | yay |
| 02:29:23 | jacques | andersee: cool |
| 02:29:33 | scanline | well, our school is very Unix-friendly. Everything's done on linux and/or solaris |
| 02:29:42 | file[bed] | my school isn't |
| 02:29:45 | scanline | but so far it's just command line stuff, linked lists... boring things |
| 02:29:46 | file[bed] | Windows everywhere |
| 02:30:05 | Russ|werk | I've gotten though 4 years without needing windows or java |
| 02:30:17 | Russ|werk | (except for logic works freshmen year) |
| 02:30:31 | scanline | nice |
| 02:30:40 | Russ|werk | in one of my classes, I had to write a backend for our team that compiled under MSVC++ |
| 02:30:56 | file[bed] | yuck |
| 02:30:59 | Russ|werk | pretty much every year behind me has to use java though |
| 02:31:24 | Russ|werk | really annoying, there aren't many CSE majors, but we have to take a lot of the CS courses |
| 02:31:29 | Russ|werk | which usually use java now |
| 02:31:47 | file[bed] | is against Java |
| 02:38:18 | file[bed] | Mr. Ross, oh my, what are you doing? |
| 02:38:41 | Russ|werk | ? |
| 02:38:42 | file[bed] | (off of TV) |
| 03:05:51 | pmisfit | jacques: thanks for your help, finally got Xfbdev to build! |
| 03:10:24 | jacques | pmisfit: COOL |
| 03:10:41 | jacques | pmisfit: does it work? |
| 03:12:23 | pmisfit | jacques: will know soon. what are the minimum files i need to copy over to the jffs? |
| 03:12:48 | pmisfit | jacques: i'm guessing Xfbdev, xauth, xinit, and the startx scripts. anything else? |
| 03:16:26 | jacques | pmisfit: I think you only need the server itself |
| 03:16:46 | pmisfit | jacques: i was hoping you'd say that. ok. gonna try it. |
| 03:16:57 | jacques | pmisfit: I'm not sure if xauth needs additional libs |
| 03:17:23 | jacques | pmisfit: you *might* have to make a symlink in your dev dir |
| 03:17:37 | jacques | pmisfit: for the fb device |
| 03:17:53 | jacques | pmisfit: unfortunately my dsl is down so I cant login to my home machines and check |
| 03:18:53 | pmisfit | jacques: thanks. i'll just hope the error will be specific, if any. |
| 03:19:29 | jacques | pmisfit: just remember if you copy any apps over, you will need to check which libs they are dynamically linked to and copy those too |
| 03:22:43 | pmisfit | jacques: for testing i was planning to just bring the server over, then run xclient apps remotely. |
| 03:22:57 | pmisfit | jacques: trying to mimimize variables... |
| 03:23:07 | jacques | pmisfit: in that case, start the x server with the flag that turns off authentication |
| 03:23:38 | pmisfit | jacques: thanks. that'll solve the xauth dilemma! |
| 03:23:55 | jacques | pmisfit: I cant remember what it is, but I use it on the tux so I can run remote apps without having to worry about xauth and rhosts |
| 03:24:03 | pmisfit | jacques: ok, downloading/flashing now. |
| 03:24:05 | jacques | i really wish my dsl was up :-\ |
| 03:26:15 | pmisfit | jacques: that sucks. what happened? |
| 03:26:39 | jacques | pmisfit: pacbell is a POS company |
| 03:27:11 | pmisfit | jacques: hey, could be worse, you could have RCN cable. |
| 03:27:11 | jacques | pmisfit: they kick me off and sometimes i get a bad card in the redback or something and when I reconnect I cant route packets |
| 03:28:00 | pmisfit | jacques: really? man i've heard folks having relatively good luck with pacbell dsl. thanks for the warning. |
| 03:29:13 | jacques | pmisfit: heh, read the forums on dslreports |
| 03:29:34 | jacques | pmisfit: some ppl have it great, but lots of others are miserable (like me) |
| 03:29:54 | pmisfit | jacques: nature of a large co, i guess. |
| 03:32:19 | pmisfit | jacques: qwest appears to be good, but in the installation i did, they too blocked port 80. |
| 03:32:34 | pmisfit | jacques: ok flashing almost done. |
| 03:41:50 | pmisfit | jacques: booting and getting nfs going. |
| 03:46:09 | pmisfit | jacques: nice. dma period = 2440000 ps |
| 03:46:36 | pmisfit | jacques: can't find touchscreen, ok, i'm going to straighten out my /dev/ucb_1200 ucb_1x00 stuff |
| 03:49:06 | Russ | btw, I'm working out some kinks in blob, but if you want http://russ.dhs.org/files/tuxpatches/untested-patch-2.4.17-rmk5-tux1.bz2 |
| 03:51:48 | jacques | pmisfit: you might just have to make a /dev/fb link |
| 03:52:25 | pmisfit | jacques: ok. what do i link /dev/fb to exactly? sorry, i missed that somewhere. |
| 03:58:04 | jacques | pmisfit: whatever the frame buffer device is - I dont remember :-\ |
| 04:01:26 | pmisfit | jacques: ok, well, thanks. i'm going to go eat now. i have fb0-3 already there, i'll dig around and find out what the frame buffer device is, if i can. |
| 04:01:53 | pmisfit | jacques: btw, it seems to be finding the fb no problem, it's the touchscreen it is complaining about. |
| 04:01:57 | pmisfit | jaques: thanks again! |
| 04:02:16 | pmisfit | is away: food |
| 04:03:37 | jacques | pmisfit: oops I misread :-\ |
| 04:58:22 | pmisfit | is back (gone 00:56:06) |
| 04:58:47 | pmisfit | jacques: got it. it wasn't /deve/fb that was the problem, the ts.c was looking for a /dev/ts. |
| 04:59:12 | pmisfit | jacques: so i linked /dev/ts to /dev/ucb1200_ts and all is goodness. again, thanks! |
| 05:21:50 | jacques | pmisfit: it actually works??? ;-) |
| 05:22:03 | jacques | pmisfit: what kernel are you using? |
| 05:22:32 | jacques | pmisfit: how far off is the ts calibration for you? (there is currently no calibration possible using the hack posted at the end of the howto) |
| 05:58:19 | pmisfit | jacques: hee hee. it works |
| 05:58:30 | pmisfit | jacques: although the touchsccreen is upside down. ;-) |
| 05:59:06 | pmisfit | jacques: in other words, i get that wonderful X. i touch the upper right hand corner, the X moves to the lower left. and vice versa. |
| 05:59:43 | pmisfit | jacques: right now i am moving libs around so i can get xhost to run and possibly xauth too. then i can start remote apps. |
| 06:00:27 | pmisfit | jacques: i am using the FrankenRoot: the latest buildroot, but with the old 2.4.7 kernel grafted in. weird, but effective. |
| 06:04:10 | pmisfit | jacques: i'm amazed at how fragile this all is. i feel like i actually know about 1/100 of what i should know in order to even be touching this thing. |
| 06:11:35 | jacques | heh, there are tons of variables |
| 06:17:35 | pmisfit | jacques: ok, my brain is full. got xhost going, but remote apps aren't showing up on the screen. pretty close, gonna give it a rest. |
| 06:21:58 | Russ | cool, my tuxscreen has a diagnostic LED |
| 06:23:26 | pmisfit | is away: zzzzz |
| 06:27:01 | sjm | home time, night all |
| 06:27:35 | andersee | Russ: so what is it you are diagnosing? |
| 06:27:43 | Russ | blob cvs |
| 06:27:48 | Russ | I'm getting a blinky |
| 06:28:16 | Russ | 3 flashes |
| 06:29:06 | andersee | Couldn't you use the existing red |
| 06:29:14 | andersee | Couldn't you use the existing red "you have a message" light? |
| 06:29:26 | Russ | undefined instruction handler |
| 06:29:35 | Russ | andersee: thats connected though the wheaties thingy |
| 06:29:57 | andersee | ahh |
| 06:30:09 | andersee | which isn't yet live when blobing... |
| 06:30:21 | Russ | I'll make a little ascii art |
| 06:34:15 | jacques | mmm, jffs2-aware blob |
| 06:39:19 | andersee | that will be very very nice |
| 06:41:00 | jacques | yep |
| 06:45:00 | Russ | oi |
| 06:45:10 | Russ | so blob cvs is getting an undefined instruction vector |
| 06:45:22 | Russ | I think blob isn't copying itself to ram |
| 07:04:50 | jacques | andersee: I hate to ask, but I don't suppose you've made any further progress on the c++ toolchain? |
| 07:13:32 | andersee | heh |
| 07:13:36 | jacques | :-D |
| 07:13:43 | andersee | Nearly started on it... |
| 07:14:13 | andersee | There has been a lot of secondary fallout from the pthread merge which has needed fixing. |
| 07:14:28 | andersee | I _think_ I got the last of that earlier today |
| 07:14:50 | jacques | yeah I can see the threads stuff having that effect |
| 07:16:18 | jacques | what about wide chars? |
| 07:18:01 | andersee | Manuel has been implementing that support. The first part has been a full rewrite of stdio to handle wide and narrow streams. This is basically ready, but is not yet in CVS. Real Soon Now(tm). |
| 07:18:03 | jacques | just wondering when I can update the tinyx/uclibc howto :-) |
| 07:26:42 | andersee | jacques: actually, I'm interested to know if the latest updates to the gcc wrapper might have fixed that link problem... |
| 07:26:59 | andersee | You don't need to do that tedious spec file stuff we tried either. |
| 07:27:18 | andersee | Just stock current CVS... |
| 07:29:36 | jacques | ok, I'll give it a try |
| 07:41:31 | jacques | actually, I'll try it when I get home |
| 07:41:37 | jacques | in a bit |
| 07:41:49 | andersee | k |
| 07:41:53 | andersee | lemme know |
| 07:42:20 | andersee | I spent quite a while trying to fix the little logic holes in the gcc wrapper... |
| 07:43:01 | jacques | cool |
| 07:43:40 | jacques | I would love to be able to remove the tinyx howto steps involving wide char and manual linking |
| 07:47:01 | jacques | someday the howto will be download toolchain, download buildroot, download xfree cvs, use these x config files, make make :-) |
| 07:50:11 | jacques | andersee: what's the best way to build the cvs uclibc? |
| 07:50:31 | jacques | andersee: do I need a special config file patch or anything so the it will work with buildroot? |
| 07:50:49 | andersee | cd uClibc; make clean; cvs up |
| 07:51:05 | Russ | arghh...maybe my ram is bad, it isn't making it to trampoline.S |
| 07:51:30 | andersee | hmm :( |
| 07:52:15 | Russ | blob 2.0.4 works |
| 07:53:14 | andersee | guess your ram is probably ok... |
| 07:53:32 | Russ | well, stuff has moved around since 2.0.4 |
| 07:54:22 | andersee | Can you now default to 115200, or does that still need hacking? |
| 07:54:40 | Russ | it does |
| 07:54:46 | Russ | (default to that) |
| 07:55:02 | Russ | but in a hackish way, it'll get fixed though (default paramater block) |
| 07:56:15 | andersee | BTW, did I remember to get your patches into busybox, or do you have anything pending still? |
| 07:56:21 | Russ | don't think so |
| 07:56:31 | Russ | but its been a bit since I've been working on my root |
| 07:57:02 | Russ | my only pending is compiling dnrd against uclibc instead of statically against glibc (semaphores) |
| 07:58:29 | andersee | I don't think I've enabled pthread for the tuxscreen yet. |
| 08:01:07 | jacques | andersee: hmm, this guy Miles Bader <miles@gnu.org> seems to know his gcc args |
| 08:01:15 | jacques | andersee: maybe he could help with the wrapper? |
| 08:02:43 | andersee | on the uClibc list? |
| 08:03:11 | jacques | yeah |
| 08:03:22 | andersee | The wrapper is already working -- Miles provided several patches |
| 08:03:36 | andersee | And I did the rest of the heavy lifting |
| 08:03:47 | andersee | (and the original breaking as well ;-) |
| 08:04:46 | jacques | heh :-) |
| 08:04:53 | jacques | maybe he can help with c++ ? |
| 08:05:02 | jacques | he has gnu.org in his email |
| 08:05:24 | jacques | i see ppl are still finding resolver bugs - I need to check if it ever started working with my dns cache |
| 08:06:17 | andersee | I had added that bug a week or two ago when adding gethostent() and friends |
| 08:07:26 | jacques | ow, it's amazing how fast uclibc is evolving |
| 08:07:31 | jacques | ow==wow |
| 08:08:46 | andersee | heh |
| 08:09:00 | andersee | I've been busy. :) |
| 08:09:14 | Russ | hmmm |
| 08:09:15 | jacques | yeah I am realizing that from reading the list |
| 08:09:30 | Russ | I turn on the LED, and then jump to 0x00000400 |
| 08:09:45 | jacques | it looks like lots of ppl are using uclibc too |
| 08:09:46 | Russ | which should be trampoline.S in flash, which should turn off the LED (added code)... |
| 08:09:52 | Russ | but the LED stays on |
| 08:10:16 | jacques | Russ: and I thought printf() was hardcore debugging :-) |
| 08:16:03 | jacques | dammit I hate xfree source |
| 08:16:09 | jacques | it's broken in so many ways |
| 08:16:20 | Russ | ok |
| 08:16:24 | Russ | well that explains it |
| 08:16:47 | Russ | amd32.o is going at the head instead of trampoline.o |
| 08:18:48 | jacques | andersee: could there be any strangeness about the way the wrapper handles -L directives? or any other directive that tells where to find libs? |
| 08:19:07 | andersee | Its possible. did it break again? |
| 08:19:15 | andersee | i.e. didn't link? |
| 08:19:40 | jacques | well I am not even getting that far |
| 08:19:46 | jacques | I am building in the libs dir |
| 08:20:00 | andersee | whats it doing? |
| 08:20:02 | jacques | and everything after libX11.so complains about not being able to find -lX11 |
| 08:21:42 | jacques | ok, I built enough to get the Xserver to try to build (i.e. not complain about missing libs it wants to statically link to) |
| 08:21:54 | jacques | but the main() problem is still there :-\ |
| 08:21:59 | andersee | :( |
| 08:22:03 | jacques | sorry. I know that's not what you wanted to hear |
| 08:22:12 | andersee | Can you paste the link line for me? |
| 08:22:20 | andersee | The one where it fails? |
| 08:22:57 | jacques | did you ever download the X source (and object code) I tarred up for you? |
| 08:23:33 | andersee | I did, but I think I forgot to even open it. |
| 08:23:33 | jacques | here is the link line and error: |
| 08:23:36 | andersee | looks |
| 08:23:39 | jacques | /home/packages/tuxscreen/buildroot-tux/staging_dir/usr/bin/arm-uclibc-gcc -o Xfbdev -O2 -L../../exports/lib -L/usr/X11R6/lib dix/libdix.a os/libos.a ../../exports/lib/libXau.a ../../exports/lib/libXdmcp.a hw/kdrive/fbdev/libfbdev.a miext/layer/liblayer.a hw/kdrive/libkdrive.a hw/kdrive/linux/liblinux.a miext/shadow/libshadow.a render/librender.a randr/librandr.a fb/libfb.a dix/libxpstubs.a mi/libmi.a Xext/libext.a |
| 08:23:39 | jacques | XTrap/libxtrap.a render/librender.a randr/librandr.a ../../lib/font/libXfont.a dix/libxpstubs.a -lz -lm |
| 08:23:39 | jacques | /home/packages/tuxscreen/buildroot-tux/staging_dir/lib/libc.so: undefined reference to `main |
| 08:25:03 | jacques | also |
| 08:25:23 | jacques | the new problem with not finding -lX11 is actually from ld - not from the gcc wrapper per se |
| 08:25:23 | Russ | ok |
| 08:25:26 | Russ | erikm broke it |
| 08:25:27 | jacques | /usr/local/arm/bin/arm-linux-ld: cannot find -lX11 |
| 08:25:43 | jacques | as inL |
| 08:25:45 | jacques | as in: |
| 08:25:48 | jacques | (cd .; T=`echo xlibi18n.so.2 | sed 's/\.[^\.]*$//'`; /home/packages/tuxscreen/buildroot-tux/staging_dir/bin/ld -o ./xlibi18n.so.2~ -shared lcGenConv.o -L../../../../../exports/lib -lX11 -lc ; rm -f $T && ln -s xlibi18n.so.2 $T) |
| 08:25:48 | jacques | /usr/local/arm/bin/arm-linux-ld: cannot find -lX11 |
| 08:26:32 | andersee | And does ../../../../../exports/lib have libX11 in it? |
| 08:27:21 | jacques | bserver% cd /home/packages/tuxscreen/tinyx/xc/lib/X11/xlibi18n/lc/gen |
| 08:27:22 | jacques | /home/packages/tuxscreen/tinyx/xc/lib/X11/xlibi18n/lc/gen |
| 08:27:22 | jacques | bserver% ls -l ../../../../../exports/lib/*X11* |
| 08:27:22 | jacques | lrwxrwxrwx 1 fontenot fontenot 23 Feb 26 00:02 ../../../../../exports/lib/libX11.so -> ../../lib/X11/libX11.so* |
| 08:27:22 | jacques | lrwxrwxrwx 1 fontenot fontenot 25 Feb 26 00:02 ../../../../../exports/lib/libX11.so.6 -> ../../lib/X11/libX11.so.6* |
| 08:27:24 | jacques | lrwxrwxrwx 1 fontenot fontenot 27 Feb 26 00:02 ../../../../../exports/lib/libX11.so.6.2 -> ../../lib/X11/libX11.so.6.2* |
| 08:28:23 | jacques | I have traced the symlink na dthey all seem to be OK |
| 08:28:42 | jacques | it's as if ld is not getting the -L |
| 08:29:18 | andersee | Can you add a -v? |
| 08:29:35 | andersee | To the gcc line? |
| 08:30:07 | jacques | ok |
| 08:31:08 | jacques | oops - it's not even using the wrapper - its calling /home/packages/tuxscreen/buildroot-tux/staging_dir/bin/ld directly |
| 08:31:15 | jacques | is that a problem? |
| 08:33:25 | andersee | Do a "cat /home/packages/tuxscreen/buildroot-tux/staging_dir/bin/ld" |
| 08:35:15 | jacques | #!/bin/sh |
| 08:35:15 | jacques | # This file was autogenerated by make |
| 08:35:15 | jacques | /usr/local/arm/bin/arm-linux-ld -nostdlib -L- -L/home/packages/tuxscreen/buildroot-tux/staging_dir/lib -L/home/packages/tuxscreen/buildroot-tux/staging_dir/usr/lib -L/home/packages/tuxscreen/buildroot-tux/uClibc $@ |
| 08:35:27 | jacques | -L- ?? |
| 08:35:33 | jacques | havent seen that one before |
| 08:35:48 | andersee | I thought I'd removed that. |
| 08:36:13 | andersee | Shouldn't hurt. Jsut slows things down (looking in the directory -) |
| 08:37:27 | jacques | well removing it does not appear to help |
| 08:37:33 | jacques | in thise case |
| 08:37:40 | andersee | right, wouldnt expect it to |
| 08:38:57 | jacques | if I put ths into the link line instead: ../../../../../exports/lib/libX11.so |
| 08:38:59 | jacques | it works |
| 08:40:00 | andersee | Odd. |
| 08:40:10 | andersee | According to the ld man page: All -L options apply to all -l options... |
| 08:40:51 | jacques | nod, this is just weird |
| 08:41:02 | andersee | What happens if you run: /usr/local/arm/bin/arm-linux-ld -nostdlib -L/home/packages/tuxscreen/buildroot-tux/staging_dir/lib -L/home/packages/tuxscreen/buildroot-tux/staging_dir/usr/lib -L/home/packages/tuxscreen/buildroot-tux/uClibc -o ./xlibi18n.so.2~ -shared lcGenConv.o -L../../../../../exports/lib -lX11 -lc |
| 08:41:02 | jacques | no reason why that should not work |
| 08:41:13 | andersee | i.e. lose the -nostdlib |
| 08:41:24 | jacques | I never had this problem with the binary wrapper |
| 08:41:37 | andersee | wants to fix this one |
| 08:42:01 | jacques | -nostdlib twice acts as a toggle? |
| 08:42:29 | andersee | just remove it entirely... for a test |
| 08:42:42 | andersee | I messed my example... |
| 08:42:52 | jacques | remove it from the ld wrapper? |
| 08:43:22 | andersee | nono. Just run what the wrapper would run, except by hand, minus the -nostdlib |
| 08:43:29 | andersee | In the same dir of courser |
| 08:43:30 | jacques | ah |
| 08:43:38 | jacques | i see now |
| 08:43:38 | andersee | s/courser/course.../ |
| 08:44:45 | jacques | that seems to have worked |
| 08:44:56 | andersee | Perhaps I need to use -rpath-link |
| 08:45:03 | andersee | jacques: indeed? |
| 08:45:17 | jacques | unless I am losing my mind |
| 08:45:29 | jacques | /usr/local/arm/bin/arm-linux-ld -L/home/packages/tuxscreen/buildroot-tux/staging_dir/lib -L/home/packages/tuxscreen/buildroot-tux/staging_dir/usr/lib -L/home/packages/tuxscreen/buildroot-tux/uClibc -o ./xlcDef.so.2~ -shared lcDefConv.o -L../../../../../exports/lib -lX11 -lc |
| 08:45:34 | jacques | that seems to have worked |
| 08:45:44 | andersee | Could you run an strace -F -f -s 1024 -o logfile <ld stuff> and then email me the logfile? |
| 08:46:04 | jacques | you want me to trace the failure? |
| 08:46:30 | andersee | yes |
| 08:46:44 | andersee | The failure, and then the success |
| 08:46:51 | andersee | logfile1, logfile2 |
| 08:46:59 | andersee | thinks something is fishy |
| 08:47:42 | jacques | ok I got em |
| 08:47:56 | jacques | what's your email? |
| 08:48:45 | andersee | andersen at codepoet dot org |
| 08:48:58 | jacques | ok |
| 08:49:18 | andersee | For now, edit the ld wrapper and remove the nostdlib |
| 08:49:42 | andersee | That will let you continue to the missing main() problem... |
| 08:49:53 | andersee | wants to see that one more closely as well |
| 08:53:00 | jacques | ok, both emails have been accepted by your mail server |
| 08:55:13 | andersee | gotem. looking |
| 08:55:25 | andersee | If you could continue on to the missing main() bug... |
| 08:58:11 | jacques | WTF??? |
| 08:58:18 | jacques | my dsl is back up by itself |
| 08:58:30 | jacques | they must have kicked me off again and it got a good card this time |
| 08:59:12 | andersee | hmm |
| 08:59:20 | jacques | i need a faster machine |
| 09:00:46 | andersee | goes and lookes at the source for ld |
| 09:01:43 | jacques | sorry - I'm compiling |
| 09:02:05 | andersee | Odd. ld claims to accept -nostdlib |
| 09:02:27 | andersee | could you run "/usr/local/arm/bin/arm-linux-ld -v" for me? |
| 09:02:48 | jacques | hmm, I'm getting something else strange and new |
| 09:02:52 | jacques | ../../exports/lib/libX11.so: undefined reference to `dlclose' |
| 09:02:52 | jacques | ../../exports/lib/libX11.so: undefined reference to `dlopen' |
| 09:02:52 | jacques | ../../exports/lib/libX11.so: undefined reference to `dlsym' |
| 09:03:17 | jacques | bserver% /usr/local/arm/bin/arm-linux-ld -v |
| 09:03:17 | jacques | GNU ld version 2.11.92.0.10 20011021 |
| 09:03:55 | andersee | dlopen and friends are in libdl... |
| 09:04:08 | jacques | ok, I'm to the point where I get the undefined reference to main() again (the Xserver does not link to libX11 so does not have the dlopen problem) |
| 09:04:55 | andersee | k. |
| 09:05:17 | andersee | Could you run an strace of the problem (just before) for me? |
| 09:05:30 | andersee | Then email me the logfile... |
| 09:05:37 | jacques | which problem? just before what? |
| 09:06:14 | andersee | Run "strace -F -f -s 1024 -o logfile <gcc stuff that fails>" and then email me the logfile |
| 09:06:32 | jacques | ooh, look at this |
| 09:06:35 | jacques | /usr/local/arm/arm-linux/bin/ld: warning: libc.so.6, needed by ../../exports/lib/libX11.so, may conflict with libc.so.0 |
| 09:06:54 | jacques | that's right before the undefined dl* stuff |
| 09:07:10 | jacques | that can't be good |
| 09:07:21 | jacques | somehow it thinks libX11.so is linked with glibc |
| 09:07:23 | andersee | Its trying to link vs the wrong libraries... That was why I had the nostdlib in there... |
| 09:07:26 | andersee | Hmmm. |
| 09:07:32 | jacques | blurg |
| 09:08:41 | jacques | mind if I head home? I will be on from there |
| 09:11:52 | andersee | sure. |
| 09:12:12 | andersee | I really should take a look over this myself. Something evil is happening. |
| 09:12:35 | jacques | I'll be back on shortly |
| 09:26:34 | jacques | back |
| 09:32:28 | andersee | k |
| 09:34:50 | jacques | bringin my home system into sync with the work machine |
| 09:52:28 | scanline | is away: ZzZzZzZzzzzzzzzzZzzzz |
| 09:55:36 | jacques | hmm |
| 09:55:53 | jacques | I will need to check tomorrow, but it's possible that I was trying to compile different xfree source at work |
| 09:55:59 | jacques | tho I'm pretty sure I wasnt |
| 09:56:07 | jacques | but I'm not having the same problem here at home |
| 09:57:07 | jacques | well, now I'm pretty sure I do have different source at work - I think it was recent xfree cvs |
| 09:57:21 | jacques | because I dont even have that X11 subdir that was giving me trouble |
| 09:58:35 | andersee | ahh |
| 10:00:31 | jacques | and I'm not getting those cant find -lX11 errors |
| 10:00:49 | jacques | the xfree people have to totally break cross compilation at least once a month |
| 10:02:18 | jacques | still getting undefined main() tho |
| 10:07:05 | jacques | ok, I made logfiles of traces of the fail and success of the xserver link |
| 10:14:33 | jacques | I'm sending the trace logs now |
| 10:16:40 | jacques | the successful xserver link is 3855760 bytes |
| 10:16:58 | jacques | so it's taking a while to upload over my 128kb/s uplink |
| 10:44:47 | asalib | andersee: is bbox 0.60.2 latest or do you plan to release 0.60.3 in near future? |
| 10:48:33 | jacques | hi BZFlag |
| 10:52:50 | jacques | andersee: seems to have fallen asleep |
| 10:59:43 | andersee | asalib: I plan on making a 0.60.3 soon |
| 10:59:55 | andersee | sorry -- been working... |
| 11:02:15 | asalib | andersee: thanks, will it be a bugfix release? |
| 11:04:30 | andersee | yup |
| 11:04:43 | andersee | may also include some new stuff |
| 11:04:55 | andersee | I've got a lot of stuff in the patch queue to review... |
| 11:05:01 | andersee | has gotten very behind |
| 11:05:04 | andersee | :( |
| 11:06:49 | asalib | andersee: youy busybox is used for the first unix-based CNC software in the world!!! ;) |
| 11:07:05 | andersee | heh |
| 11:07:36 | asalib | all other CNC systems are based on RT-DOS either Windows NT, no QNX even |
| 11:08:09 | andersee | I recall writing CNC software on Unix when I was in grad school -- 5 axis mill change-in-curvature match machining using a filleted end mill. :) |
| 11:08:42 | asalib | andersee: unix??? could you give the url? |
| 11:08:47 | andersee | Still, very cool. |
| 11:08:57 | andersee | It didn't run on the CNC mill though. |
| 11:09:07 | andersee | I just generated a zillion M&G points |
| 11:09:31 | asalib | exactly I mean ;) No *nix-based systems available for CNC |
| 11:09:47 | ctr | is away: stuff |
| 11:09:54 | andersee | is a Mech Eng, with Masters in Manufacturing Engineering. ;-) |
| 11:10:09 | jacques | andersee: did you get the xserver link trace logs? |
| 11:10:17 | andersee | looks |
| 11:10:35 | andersee | jacques: nope |
| 11:10:40 | andersee | try gzipping them |
| 11:10:56 | andersee | Perhaps they were too big and got dropped on the floor |
| 11:11:26 | andersee | asalib: got a url for your device? |
| 11:11:39 | andersee | asalib: I could add a link from the busybox page |
| 11:11:39 | jacques | andersee: hmm |
| 11:11:56 | jacques | the mailer queued them on the other end |
| 11:12:43 | asalib | andersee: thanks, but I have no suitable homepage for my device still. Especially in English. But I plan to do it in the future |
| 11:14:44 | andersee | asalib: k |
| 11:14:51 | andersee | asalib: let me know. Sounds cool |
| 11:16:33 | asalib | andersee: sure |
| 11:16:53 | asalib | andersee: btw I am the same guy fixed dotcmd in ash |
| 11:23:27 | andersee | cool |
| 11:23:32 | andersee | thx for the patch btw |
| 11:23:35 | andersee | :) |
| 11:24:30 | asalib | :)) |
| 11:25:16 | asalib | I wrote complicated script to install my system and found flaws in dotcmd. So I had to fix it ;))) |
| 11:33:32 | andersee | heh |
| 11:36:14 | asalib | bye |
| 13:03:01 | ctr | is away: shower/lunch/tv |
| 14:20:44 | jacques | yawns. |
| 14:20:57 | jacques | hmm |
| 14:21:06 | jacques | yawn ~~ aloha |
| 14:34:34 | andersee | aloha |
| 14:34:57 | jacques | andersee: what are you doing still up? |
| 14:35:05 | andersee | workin |
| 14:35:10 | jacques | andersee: ever get those logs? the second one (success) was almost 4MB |
| 14:35:32 | andersee | nope |
| 14:36:25 | jacques | sigh I even watched the maillog and confirmed that they were queued by the remote end |
| 14:36:46 | jacques | I'll send them from work later - if you think they might be useful |
| 14:38:43 | andersee | jacques: I believe my mailer is currently configured to drop overlarge emails on the floor... |
| 14:38:59 | jacques | andersee: d'oh |
| 14:46:35 | jacques | GPSFan: hi, how's it going? |
| 14:51:17 | GPSFan | jacques: Howdy!, things here are ok, I've been playing with other toys lately, and my Tuxes are waiting for attention. |
| 14:51:37 | GPSFan | s/waiting/wanting |
| 14:52:54 | jacques | GPSFan: heh, me too kinda |
| 14:54:44 | GPSFan | jacques: I tried to get my one wire weather station working on my tux, but the software was compiled for glibc and when I tried re-compiling for ulibc, it barfed. now I'll have to learn more about ulibc, and glibc. |
| 14:56:31 | jacques | GPSFan: barfed how? |
| 14:56:36 | jacques | GPSFan: it's not c++ is it? |
| 14:59:23 | eyezz | iep |
| 15:00:23 | GPSFan | jacques: no, it's c. I am really out of my league here. I don't really know what I should be looking for. All I've done so far is change the compiler to arm-uclibc and point the includes directory to that for uclibc. the compile errored out looking for something that wasn't there. (???.h i think) I had to work on some other stuff, and so things sort of are on hold for a few days. |
| 15:01:49 | GPSFan | jacques: I'm hoping to figure it out myself as a learning experience. I did manage to get the original compiled for for arm & glibc & it works. on another arm platform. |
| 15:03:11 | jacques | GPSFan: that's cool |
| 15:05:13 | GPSFan | jacques: on another subject, seen this? http://www.phraselator.com/ we should be able to do something similar, with tuxscreen. the device is based on an ADS Bitsy, http://www.applieddata.net/eMail_Voxtec.asp |
| 15:06:30 | jacques | GPSFan: very interesting |
| 15:07:06 | jacques | ooh it has a transflective display |
| 15:07:37 | GPSFan | jacques: the bitsy uses a UCB1200 for its audio. |
| 15:08:03 | jacques | Estimated cost: $1500 |
| 15:08:59 | GPSFan | jacques: not mass production like ipaq or Zaraus, the bitsy alone is $550 |
| 15:10:03 | eyezz | is away. Automatically set away [SZon] |
| 15:11:04 | GPSFan | jacques: I'm interested in the software, the SA110 based Newton had voice recognition, I'm surprised that there is little if any about for the modern SA11x0 PDA's. |
| 15:13:25 | jacques | yeah, that would be so damn cool |
| 15:13:48 | jacques | well bedtime for jacques-o |
| 15:13:51 | jacques | yawns. |
| 15:14:01 | GPSFan | nite-nite! |
| 15:14:21 | jacques | later |
| 15:14:23 | pmisfit | is back (gone 08:50:58) |
| 15:14:34 | pmisfit | jacques_gone: dude.. it's morning! go to slep! |
| 15:14:44 | fontenot | pmisfit: yes, I'm just going :-) |
| 15:14:54 | pmisfit | s/slep/sleep/ |
| 15:17:07 | pmisfit | GPSFan: sa1100-based newton?? which one? i had a 2100, IIRC. |
| 15:17:54 | GPSFan | pmisfit: SA110, not SA11x0. the last on the Newton line. |
| 15:18:37 | pmisfit | GPSFan: ah. thanks. |
| 15:19:45 | GPSFan | pmisfit: was a way-cool handheld, it was way ahead of its time, look at all the SA11x0 stuff out now and the large developer community, --- things that could have been--- |
| 15:20:18 | prpplague | morning all |
| 15:20:32 | cpenguin_work | is back (gone 14:11:59) |
| 15:20:36 | GPSFan | morning prpplague.. |
| 15:20:57 | prpplague | GPSFanhows: it going this morning? |
| 15:21:08 | prpplague | oops i butchered that one |
| 15:21:27 | GPSFan | prpplagueits goingfine ;>) |
| 15:21:28 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: morning, hows life at century? |
| 15:22:16 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: Good.... same ol' same ol... |
| 15:22:31 | pmisfit | is away: feeding the small child peripheral unit |
| 15:22:38 | CosmicPenguin | we are finally getting back to normal |
| 15:23:16 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: what exactly is normal over there? |
| 15:24:25 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: Greg might actually come in 2 days of the week... :) |
| 15:24:58 | andersee | heh |
| 15:34:47 | prpplague | andersee: you probably here this 10 times a day, but how is the the new uclibc tool chain coming along? |
| 15:37:40 | CosmicPenguin | yeah! We |
| 15:37:54 | CosmicPenguin | We're all just sitting here with nothing to do waiting for Erik.... :) |
| 15:38:09 | CosmicPenguin | commences twiddling his thumbs |
| 15:38:24 | prpplague | commences twiddling his thumbs as well |
| 15:38:32 | prpplague | lol |
| 15:43:05 | andersee | heh |
| 15:43:22 | andersee | Its coming... |
| 15:48:15 | CosmicPenguin | "New toolchain to make life worthwhile. Film at 11.." ... :) |
| 15:50:36 | prpplague | heh |
| 15:58:34 | prpplague | andersee: you've done quite a bit of work with uclinux, you think uclinux could be ported to http://www.cybikoxtreme.com/support/specs.asp |
| 15:59:18 | andersee | looks |
| 16:01:59 | andersee | prpplague: I know uClinux/uClibc runs on the Hitach H8/300H |
| 16:02:34 | andersee | prpplague: But I'm not familiar enough to know the difference between that and the H8S |
| 16:02:50 | prpplague | andersee: my main concern was the space |
| 16:03:09 | andersee | prpplague: Hmm. Ram 1.5M, flash, 512k... |
| 16:03:55 | andersee | prpplague: I got uClinx 2.0.x running without any userspace on an Atmel AT91 in 1 MB ram, 1 MB flash... |
| 16:04:25 | andersee | I think 512 flash is simply not going to cut it... |
| 16:06:44 | prpplague | andersee: hmm, i could probably add some more flash |
| 16:12:58 | prpplague | andersee: did you see the price? $99.00 |
| 16:15:18 | andersee | prpplague: looks like a nifty little gadget |
| 16:15:55 | prpplague | andersee: even comes with a free linux sdk |
| 16:22:28 | CosmicPenguin | has a dead lock on the USB port... gotta reboot |
| 17:08:34 | scanline | is back (gone 07:16:06) |
| 18:05:30 | pattieja | is away: lunch |
| 18:16:07 | prpplague | Tangent: howdy |
| 18:16:21 | prpplague | Tangent: hows life in the UK |
| 18:16:29 | Tangent | prpplague : Hi there... |
| 18:16:47 | Tangent | prpplague : Life in the UK is cold, and rainy, but there's some good IRCing going on :) |
| 18:17:16 | prpplague | Tangent: my boss is visiting relatives in wales |
| 18:18:07 | prpplague | Tangent: someday i'm going to take a month off and go visit the UK |
| 18:18:31 | Tangent | prpplague : Make sure you go to the interesting bits :) |
| 18:18:55 | prpplague | Tangent: naw, just want a month long pub crawl! |
| 18:19:15 | Tangent | prpplague : Haha... nice :) |
| 18:22:54 | scanline | is away: food and lab |
| 18:28:12 | Morn | hey |
| 18:28:46 | AlHazWork | prpplague: I saw a weird article last week about how some japanese company is selling off a bunch of welsh pubs . . . |
| 18:29:05 | Morn | had a really good night last night... |
| 18:29:27 | Morn | I talked about Linux as an alternative desktop to the Independent Computer Consultants Assoc in NYC |
| 18:40:43 | prpplague | Morn: did it go well? |
| 18:53:51 | Morn | very |
| 18:53:53 | Morn | they loved me |
| 18:53:57 | Morn | I talked for 2.5 hours |
| 18:54:02 | Morn | and they wanted another 2.5 |
| 18:54:17 | Morn | I got asked to talk at a Unix Users group in NYC too |
| 18:54:25 | Morn | have to work out the scheduling for that |
| 18:54:38 | Morn | and I got a bunch of people asking if I want to do consulting with them |
| 18:54:42 | Morn | it was worth the trip |
| 19:07:01 | Russ | kewl |
| 19:32:07 | Morn | I was kind of afraid of speaking in front of a room of men (there were 2 women there though) |
| 19:32:19 | Morn | but it didn't seem to matter that I was a girl |
| 19:38:33 | andersee | Morn: you speak of your gender in the past tense... has it changed? ;-) |
| 19:42:24 | andersee | goes to sleep |
| 19:42:27 | andersee | is away: I'm busy |
| 19:42:58 | Morn | sorry |
| 19:43:14 | Morn | not past tense, more like 3rd person |
| 19:59:56 | ProtWork | Hwat's news? |
| 20:03:06 | pattieja | is back (gone 01:57:36) |
| 20:23:37 | scanline | is back (gone 02:00:42) |
| 22:08:19 | sjm | hi all |
| 22:50:17 | scanline | is away: studying or something |
| 23:03:54 | prpplague | argh, someone at LinuxWorld needs to pull there head out there ass, i just got an email with "highlights" of the show, IN MS-WORD 2000 .doc format |
| 23:07:04 | CosmicPenguin | lol |
| 23:07:22 | CosmicPenguin | Its probably a Microsoft spam |
| 23:09:31 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: man that makes me mad, its like "ohh ya we'll put on linux show, but we won't use it!" |
| 23:10:35 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: thats just like microtests web site is completely configured with urls which use \ randomaly with / |
| 23:11:17 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: they want to sell to it professional, but have made their site unusable to a significate portion of their market |
| 23:13:28 | prpplague | another one is sagnoma, they want to sell there boards to linux ppl, yet they send all their catalogs out as zipped excel files |
| 23:14:00 | prpplague | gets down from his soap box |
| 23:14:55 | signal11 | don't tell us, tell them |
| 23:15:03 | signal11 | i'm sure you already did |
| 23:15:17 | prpplague | lol, already done that |
| 23:16:10 | prpplague | lol, another fun thing about this linux world email, every person that they sent this too is listed on the headers |
| 23:16:40 | prpplague | some email scavenger is going to have a field day with that email |
| 23:28:53 | prpplague | mallum: howdy there |
| 23:29:17 | mallum | hi prpplague |
| 23:29:25 | mallum | just put some docs togeather for my wm |
| 23:29:27 | mallum | http://www.handhelds.org/~mallum/README |
| 23:29:40 | prpplague | looks |
| 23:32:06 | prpplague | mallum: nice, where can i dl? |
| 23:32:46 | prpplague | mallum: you need a dockable 802.11 signal monitor too |
| 23:33:52 | mallum | prpplague: yeah I gotta write one |
| 23:34:03 | prpplague | mallum: i want source!!! |
| 23:34:14 | mallum | prpplague: its just in hh cvs ( apps/matchbox ) or binary in familiar unstable feed |
| 23:34:59 | prpplague | mallum: i'll grab it now |
| 23:36:05 | prpplague | mallum: what about popup apps, like virtually keyboards? i.e. start the app minimized and when the icon is clicked the maxs or mins |
| 23:36:06 | prpplague | ? |
| 23:37:16 | mallum | prpplague: see ; |
| 23:37:19 | mallum | http://handhelds.org/~mallum/xkbdandsol.png |
| 23:37:19 | mallum | - matchbox ( defualt theme ) with new xkbd |
| 23:37:19 | mallum | http://handhelds.org/~mallum/viewsource.png |
| 23:37:19 | mallum | - matchbox, with AA view source of dillo. |
| 23:37:19 | mallum | http://handhelds.org/~mallum/checkers.png |
| 23:37:19 | mallum | - fitaly keyboard, and matchbox doing dialogs |
| 23:37:21 | mallum | http://handhelds.org/~mallum/yawntheme.png |
| 23:37:23 | mallum | - Alternate 'yawn' theme rotated, AA dillo and right click. |
| 23:37:28 | mallum | ( cut and flood from email ) |
| 23:37:39 | mallum | there a little dated now |
| 23:37:47 | mallum | but you'll see how it handles windows |
| 23:39:31 | prpplague | nice |
| 23:44:38 | prpplague | mallum: what cvs dir did you say it was in? |
| 23:44:53 | mallum | apps/matchbox |
| 23:46:29 | prpplague | mallum: hmm, can't seem to find an apps dir |
| 23:46:44 | prpplague | mallum: i must be doing something wrong |
| 23:47:40 | scanline | is back (gone 00:57:23) |
| 23:48:19 | mallum | hmm, try cvs/apps/matchbox |
| 23:48:53 | mallum | http://cvs.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/apps/matchbox/ |
| 23:49:14 | prpplague | mallum: ya i see it on the browse,but not on the anoncvs |
| 23:49:51 | mallum | prpplague: cvs has changed, I dont think pserver works anymore - in the last couple of days |
| 23:51:05 | prpplague | mallum: bummer |
| 23:51:17 | prpplague | mallum: so how are you suppose to access cvs now? |
| 23:53:27 | mallum | prpplague: one sec, I'll upload a tar ball |
| 23:54:31 | prpplague | mallum: thanks |
| 23:57:22 | scanline | is away: pseudo-dinner-thingy |
