| 00:58:45 | BZFlag | Russ: you around? |
| 00:58:59 | Russ | ya |
| 00:59:05 | BZFlag | how does the shannon kbd get hooked to the console? ie: what's the file in question? |
| 00:59:35 | Russ | drivers/char/shannon_irkbd.c |
| 00:59:48 | Russ | that puts all the files into the input subsystem |
| 00:59:59 | Russ | but that isn't enough for 2.4, it needs some console glue |
| 01:00:32 | Russ | which is why drivers/char/input_keyb.c is there, it just provides glue between the input subsystem, and the console |
| 01:04:32 | BZFlag | ahh! that was exactly was I was looking for, |
| 01:04:42 | Russ | the input_keyb.c one? |
| 01:04:44 | BZFlag | I knew I read it before, but forgot where. ;-) |
| 01:05:21 | BZFlag | yeah. |
| 01:05:57 | BZFlag | this new vercel I'm hacking has a serial kbd. well... a even further messed up serial, but still serial. |
| 01:06:27 | BZFlag | how's your free time? I'll have a few extra units in a month or so. ;-) |
| 01:06:58 | Russ | not too good, boring classes, but lots of busywork |
| 01:07:05 | Russ | but I can allways make time for cool hardware |
| 01:07:10 | BZFlag | when's school out? |
| 01:08:52 | Russ | may 9th |
| 01:11:43 | BZFlag | well, ping me when your time frees up and I might be able to get you a vercel. it's a sa1110 + sa1111 qvga handheld. internal modem, usb client and server, fold out laptop size keyboard. cf and (soon) sd card slots. |
| 01:12:08 | BZFlag | retail will be $350ish |
| 01:13:30 | Russ | alright |
| 01:13:40 | Russ | I'm being dragged to in-n-out though, bbiaw |
| 01:20:22 | BZFlag | I gotta run anyway. thanx! |
| 01:25:34 | file | that handheld sounded cool |
| 01:52:45 | scanline | is away: lab time |
| 01:57:36 | jacques | yo yo yo |
| 02:05:42 | | andersee was last seen on #tuxscreen 2 hours, 13 minutes and 8 seconds ago, saying: Only problem I've had is feedback on the speakerphone [Thu Feb 21 23:52:34 2002] |
| 02:05:42 | jacques | ibot: seen andersee |
| 02:42:52 | andersee | jacques: hey |
| 02:46:02 | scanline | is back (gone 00:53:18) |
| 02:58:00 | jacques | hi andersee :-) |
| 03:18:16 | andersee | hey |
| 03:18:32 | andersee | I'm watching the womens figure skating on tv |
| 03:19:52 | ssoucek | is away: packing up my skis |
| 03:24:17 | Russ | returns |
| 03:24:55 | jacques | mmm sascha |
| 03:27:59 | jacques | damn, US women lost hockey final |
| 03:32:16 | andersee | saw that |
| 03:33:01 | jacques | :-( |
| 03:39:01 | andersee | Ouch. Viktoria sortof messed that one |
| 03:40:51 | jacques | I hope I get home in time to see the late night broadcast |
| 03:40:59 | jacques | it starts at 1:30am |
| 03:42:12 | jacques | food time |
| 03:42:15 | jacques | biab |
| 04:04:32 | andersee | cool, that sara chick just nailed that one |
| 04:23:21 | scanline | has no TV |
| 04:43:10 | jacques | back from food |
| 06:02:06 | scanline | is away: ZzZzZzzzzzZZz |
| 06:25:31 | sjm | my weekend just arrived, night all |
| 06:37:55 | TomW | lots of people logged in tonite... |
| 06:55:37 | Russ | BZFlag: you mind if I fix the flash discriptor layout in blob/src/blob/shannon.c? |
| 06:56:09 | Russ | BZFlag: it should be what is in nesa.c |
| 07:00:32 | Russ | (incedentally, increasing the size of the first paramater block enough to make all of blob fit) |
| 07:11:23 | Russ | oh geez |
| 07:11:47 | Russ | (re: linux-arm email from yourfriend_tw@yahoo.com.tw) |
| 07:19:44 | BZFlag | Russ: we need to get buildroot workign with the read-from-jffs2 stuff. |
| 07:19:52 | BZFlag | you can do that if you want. ;-) |
| 07:25:19 | jacques | read-from-jffs2 ? |
| 07:27:23 | jacques | is that the jffs2-aware blob? :-D |
| 07:30:23 | Russ | BZFlag: I'll wait until the logic on when to read the kernel from jffs2 becomes more concrete |
| 07:31:52 | jacques | mwave has 512MB CF for $198 |
| 07:35:51 | jacques | um, gcc 3.0.4 is out |
| 07:36:47 | BZFlag | k. well hack all ya want anyway. |
| 07:42:52 | vishen | hi |
| 07:43:01 | jacques | hi vishen |
| 07:43:11 | vishen | how r u doing |
| 12:58:01 | scanline | is back (gone 06:55:55) |
| 15:16:44 | CosmicPenguin | back |
| 15:17:10 | CosmicPenguin | is away: Uh, oh.. the weasel got out again... |
| 15:17:12 | CosmicPenguin | is back (gone 00:00:03) |
| 15:18:29 | prpplague | morning all |
| 15:19:00 | scanline | morning prpplague |
| 15:19:17 | scanline | is getting all the dev tools set up for his new Zaurus |
| 15:19:24 | scanline | Zaurus has a ucb1200 too :) |
| 15:20:59 | prpplague | scanline: you get your zaurus in? |
| 15:21:07 | scanline | prpplague: yup, got it last night |
| 15:21:17 | scanline | didn't have time to do much with it yesterday, but i do today |
| 15:21:42 | prpplague | just finish wiring money to korea for his pda stuff |
| 15:37:14 | scanline | has an eth2 now! |
| 15:51:10 | prpplague | scanline: what do you think about the zaurus so far |
| 15:51:11 | prpplague | ?/ |
| 15:52:39 | scanline | prpplague: cool hardware |
| 15:52:53 | scanline | though i'm anxious to replace the software :) |
| 15:53:15 | prpplague | scanline: that what i expected to hear :) |
| 15:53:40 | scanline | Qtopia's not too bad... but much too WinCE-ish for my tastes. and it's big and slow |
| 15:54:10 | scanline | and think of all the free space for games^H^H^H^H^H documents i'll have with picogui |
| 15:54:35 | prpplague | lol |
| 15:54:38 | scanline | hmm... |
| 15:54:50 | scanline | i just got the USB ethernet working, and i'm trying to browse the internet with Opera |
| 15:55:01 | scanline | "The memory is very low. Please end this application immediately" |
| 15:55:33 | prpplague | that is a little too wince-ish, lol |
| 15:57:06 | scanline | I've used WinCE 2.x a little on an old Philips Nino, and the UI design is very similar |
| 16:03:53 | prpplague | scanline: have you tried CosmicPenguin's pixil? |
| 16:04:12 | scanline | prpplague: nope. What does it run on? |
| 16:05:34 | CosmicPenguin | scanline: sadly it uses Microwindows.... |
| 16:06:04 | scanline | CosmicPenguin: sadly? don't you like microwindows? :) |
| 16:06:10 | scanline | i was wondering what PDA hardware it supports so far |
| 16:08:18 | prpplague | scanline: the only thing i saw as a binary was ipaq, but there should be no reason you couldn't build it for any arm arch |
| 16:08:56 | scanline | k |
| 16:09:19 | scanline | first thing i want to try with picogui once i get it on there is running x2pgui :) |
| 16:09:38 | scanline | move you mouse off the edge of the screen on your desktop, it goes onto your PDA |
| 16:11:01 | scanline | Hm.. i'm looking for a CF 802.11b card. Weren't there some cheap D-link cards? |
| 16:19:07 | prpplague | ya i got mine from cdw, probably not the cheapest place, but easy for me to order from |
| 16:20:09 | eyezz | is away. Automatically set away [SZon] |
| 16:34:53 | prpplague | man rmk hammered someone about config_isa stuff |
| 16:41:38 | prpplague | wb boodle |
| 16:42:18 | CosmicPenguin | Pixil only works on Ipaq... |
| 16:42:39 | boodle | udhcpc not behaving :( |
| 16:43:07 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: doh |
| 16:43:14 | CosmicPenguin | Microwindows works on x86, arm, powerpc, mips, uclinux, ecos, TTEMS, and ELKS |
| 16:43:29 | CosmicPenguin | And apparently on SOLARIS and DJGPP, though I think thats just a rumor |
| 16:43:31 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: any word on andersee's new toolchain for uclibc? |
| 16:44:03 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: He checked in pthreads support, but I heard there is still a problem with global C++ constructors |
| 16:44:42 | prpplague | hmm |
| 16:44:53 | CosmicPenguin | scanline: what is x2pgui? Did you write a X11 emulator layer? |
| 16:45:20 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i'm looking forward to change several of projects over to uclibc as soon as possible |
| 16:45:40 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: I am looking forward to converting all of our client work to uclibc |
| 16:45:46 | scanline | CosmicPenguin: No, not yet :) It's like x2vnc- you move the mouse off the edge of the screen and it redirects input events to a remote picogui server |
| 16:45:59 | CosmicPenguin | Ahh..... |
| 16:46:06 | CosmicPenguin | I didn't know picogui was network based. Bravo |
| 16:46:15 | scanline | oh yeah, nice client-server architecture |
| 16:46:27 | scanline | i just ripped out the VNC code from x2vnc and added a few picogui calls |
| 16:46:51 | prpplague | scanline: so you could use it on a think client system as a replacement for x |
| 16:46:52 | prpplague | ? |
| 16:46:59 | scanline | yes |
| 16:47:10 | scanline | and actually picogui's very good for thin clients since the protocol is very high level |
| 16:47:21 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: with a VNC viewer, you could run any GUI you wanted to |
| 16:47:34 | CosmicPenguin | Though, its nice to have an remote X client that you can walk around with |
| 16:47:55 | scanline | i want to get an 802.11b CF card for this thing :) |
| 16:47:58 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: thats true, but we found vnc is too difficult to support our customer base on |
| 16:48:15 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: 90% of our customer have no IT personell |
| 16:49:05 | CosmicPenguin | scanline: The linksys CF card works with the Zaurus... |
| 16:49:42 | scanline | CosmicPenguin: ok. I found a good deal on the D-link cards online, but since i don't have a credit card and i need a CF card anyway i was going to look at the local CompUSA |
| 16:50:07 | scanline | crazy Zaurus needs a 32MB CF card to update the flash, and i only have a 16MB card |
| 16:50:24 | prpplague | doh |
| 16:50:43 | prpplague | you can get a 128m cheap these days |
| 16:50:55 | scanline | yea |
| 16:51:08 | CosmicPenguin | scanline: go to Sams Club - the 128m CFs are very cheap |
| 16:51:17 | prpplague | or better yet get you a micro drive |
| 16:51:20 | scanline | i don't have a sams club, nor a sams club membership |
| 16:51:33 | scanline | well it needs CF to update the flash |
| 16:51:44 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: microcdrives expensive and power draining (but nice to have :) |
| 16:51:57 | prpplague | scanline: just hang out in the parking lot and wait for someone who has a big bag and help them through the doorway |
| 16:52:00 | scanline | you dump the kernel and romdisk image on a CF card, press some buttons, and the firmware copes the CF card to the internal flash |
| 16:52:15 | prpplague | scanline: nice |
| 16:52:21 | scanline | prpplague: that doesn't solve the problem of not having a sams club in the first place :P |
| 16:52:43 | prpplague | scanline: ohh did see that |
| 16:52:47 | scanline | hmm... i don't think my CF card reader works under linux |
| 16:53:37 | scanline | where would a CF card show up in /dev? |
| 16:54:01 | CosmicPenguin | scanline: what type of CF reader? |
| 16:54:25 | scanline | CosmicPenguin: Memorex UCF-200 |
| 16:54:33 | CosmicPenguin | USB? |
| 16:54:34 | scanline | it's a nonstandard interface i think |
| 16:54:38 | scanline | yes, USB, sorry |
| 16:54:57 | CosmicPenguin | Is it SCSI? |
| 16:55:17 | scanline | IIRC it's a chip that runs IDE through USB |
| 16:56:43 | scanline | ok, it didn't end up as a scsi device... |
| 16:56:46 | scanline | argh |
| 16:57:05 | scanline | Any recommendations for a good usb-storage compatible CF card adaptor? |
| 17:01:49 | scanline | hmm.. sandisk appears to be standard |
| 17:01:55 | scanline | anyway, off to the store... |
| 17:02:17 | scanline | is away: off to buy some bits |
| 17:17:46 | prpplague | AlHazWork: morning |
| 17:23:49 | AlHazWork | morning |
| 17:28:57 | prpplague | AlHazWork: working on anything fun today? |
| 17:29:09 | CosmicPenguin | Man... it seems like everyone is making their own patches to the kernel today... |
| 17:29:33 | CosmicPenguin | 2.1.18-pre3-ac2-bob4-sam1 |
| 17:29:33 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: kernel hacking not what it used to be? |
| 17:30:05 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: No its probably better, it just funny |
| 17:30:19 | AlHazWork | prpplague: I'm supposed to crank out a test spec, so, no, decidedly not. |
| 17:30:47 | prpplague | AlHazWork: me either, i'm writing up my project list for next 9 months |
| 17:30:47 | CosmicPenguin | AlHazWork: ack.... I hate doing that kind of stuff |
| 17:31:52 | AlHazWork | they want a complete test spec but haven't provided complete project requirements. fah. |
| 17:32:31 | prpplague | anyone know of an embedded system that consists of 1 parallel port, 1 serial and 1 ethernet? |
| 17:33:07 | AlHazWork | sure, a print server |
| 17:33:12 | AlHazWork | an old print server . . |
| 17:33:22 | prpplague | lol |
| 17:33:30 | AlHazWork | oh, wait, this probably isn't a trivia game, you probably wanted the name of something you can work on |
| 17:33:33 | prpplague | thats what i'm looking for but i want linux on it |
| 17:34:00 | AlHazWork | hmm |
| 17:34:33 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: as a evaluation board or as a final product? |
| 17:35:10 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: final board, we have a prototype in the works, but i was shopping around to see if i could find a hackable product |
| 17:35:38 | CosmicPenguin | hmm... I know some good eval boards, but nothing you can give to customers |
| 17:36:23 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i wish cyclades had put a lpt port on the ts-1000 |
| 17:41:13 | AlHazWork | prpplague: There's probably a home router/printserver combo box that's based on a coldfire or something |
| 17:41:23 | AlHazWork | installing linux on it is of course a bigger problem than finding it |
| 17:46:35 | prpplague | AlHazWork: ya, finding a good print server has been one of our long standing issues |
| 17:47:07 | AlHazWork | I use a MiLan print server from the early jurrasic period |
| 17:47:22 | AlHazWork | dunno what cpu it runs on, tho it tells me it's running at 10mhz |
| 17:47:41 | AlHazWork | it supports ipx, appletalk, and lpr . . |
| 17:47:49 | CosmicPenguin | hehhe.... appletalk |
| 17:48:10 | AlHazWork | also lets you shove data at port 2002 on it and have it go directly out the parallel port |
| 17:50:49 | prpplague | AlHazWork: ya i've evaled one of those before |
| 17:52:12 | prpplague | AlHazWork: what i want is a printer server with one parallel and one serial, the serial port is a console that allows you to configure the unit, all it asks for is an ip and a gateway, then the serial port can be used as a terminal server for legacy dumb terminals like a wyse |
| 17:52:49 | prpplague | AlHazWork: i hate these print servers that require a winblows app to configure |
| 17:54:44 | prpplague | http://www.planex.net/product/print/max100.htm |
| 17:55:43 | AlHazWork | prpplague: the MiLan FastPort i use almost works that well |
| 17:55:56 | AlHazWork | you might be able to use it as a terminal server. never done it. |
| 17:56:11 | AlHazWork | but like i said, it's a dinosaur |
| 17:57:54 | prpplague | http://www.milan.com/images/prod/p3720ang.jpg |
| 18:08:00 | scanline | is back (gone 01:05:43) |
| 18:08:43 | AlHazWork | that's about 10 years newer than mine |
| 18:09:22 | prpplague | scanline: how the "underwate basket weaving" lecture / |
| 18:09:49 | AlHazWork | http://imagehost.auctionwatch.com/preview/je/jeffgordon777/MilanFastPort3000X.JPG <-- I have one of these, roughly |
| 18:09:52 | scanline | prpplague: actually, i just got back from buying a 64MB CF card and a reader thats (hopefully) linux compatible |
| 18:10:08 | prpplague | AlHazWork: well i just got off the phone with milan, they seem to think if i sign a NDA they code give me the code to make changes |
| 18:10:31 | AlHazWork | my new notebook has a CF slot on it, haven't used it |
| 18:10:39 | AlHazWork | it's a thinkpad, I guess they want folks to buy microdrives for them |
| 18:10:48 | prpplague | AlHazWork: ohh i like that, i like that one better than the new one |
| 18:11:37 | AlHazWork | prpplague: runs on a 16v wallwart that weighs over a pound . . . |
| 18:12:51 | AlHazWork | MiLan = Digi International, ie Digiboard |
| 18:13:16 | prpplague | AlHazWork: ya we use a ton of digi |
| 18:15:34 | AlHazWork | I once read something in dejanews about a hack to let linux use a modem connected to the serial port on one of them |
| 18:15:47 | AlHazWork | but never found the daemon that allowed that |
| 18:19:05 | prpplague | thats pretty interesting |
| 18:20:43 | AlHazWork | yeah, like i said, it allows raw access to the ports |
| 18:20:52 | AlHazWork | iirc the serial port is port 2001/tcp on it |
| 18:21:09 | AlHazWork | I'm not sure how you'd go about reading the controll lines . . |
| 18:21:26 | prpplague | i hope milan/digi calls me back |
| 18:27:34 | AlHazWork | *sigh* I'm gonna spend all day in staroffice patching up an old test plan so it looks like it belongs to a new (similar) project. |
| 18:37:57 | prpplague | AlHazWork: whaoo, milan says "we'd be happy to help you port linux to the p3720!" |
| 18:42:30 | AlHazWork | prpplague: Woo! so, just what cpu & whatall is in there? |
| 18:45:10 | prpplague | AlHazWork: arm of course! |
| 18:51:21 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: Hopefully they really mean it... |
| 18:51:40 | CosmicPenguin | has heard "Sure we'll help you port linux to <device>" |
| 18:52:59 | AlHazWork | prpplague: Woo |
| 18:53:19 | AlHazWork | wonders where BZFlag is |
| 18:55:02 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ya i'v heard that before as well, but they are sending all the docs and a couple of eval unit |
| 18:57:42 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: awesome |
| 18:58:00 | AlHazWork | which arm, anyway? |
| 18:58:09 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: looks like it currently uses pSOS |
| 18:58:19 | AlHazWork | linux would be cheaper, then |
| 18:58:38 | prpplague | AlHazWork: not sure yet, just got some sketchy info, should receive more info by tuesday |
| 18:59:10 | AlHazWork | *nod* |
| 18:59:21 | CosmicPenguin | Is that webcam that is watching the screen of the Ipaq in the Compaq cluster still running? |
| 18:59:25 | prpplague | AlHazWork: hmm if it is running pSOS, i should be able to get linux running right? |
| 18:59:42 | prpplague | is not very familiar with pSOS |
| 19:01:24 | ssoucek | is back (gone 15:41:33) |
| 19:09:26 | AlHazWork | maybe uclinux |
| 19:09:29 | AlHazWork | depending on the chi |
| 19:09:30 | AlHazWork | p |
| 19:09:36 | AlHazWork | i mean, something that small is prolly arm thumb |
| 19:09:45 | AlHazWork | depends how much ram, etc, you have, tho |
| 19:16:03 | prpplague | AlHazWork: the guy said it was depopulated board from another project, and he implied that it had a large amount of ram and flash |
| 19:20:48 | AlHazWork | cool |
| 19:40:41 | AlHazWork | So how much do they cost, retail? |
| 19:41:07 | prpplague | retail is $199 but we should be able to 20-25% discount |
| 19:41:08 | Russ | hmmm...blob CVS apears to be broken on tuxscreen |
| 19:42:01 | prpplague | AlHazWork: of course that sounds high for a ps, but we are willing to pay more so that we have better control over the product |
| 19:42:19 | AlHazWork | yeah |
| 19:48:15 | prpplague | god i love fltk, it actually makes creating of end users almost fun |
| 19:48:32 | prpplague | s/users/user apps |
| 20:36:19 | ComMan | doh, love those power failures |
| 21:00:25 | Archeious | Howdy howdy |
| 21:01:35 | Archeious | Is Mr Tim in today? |
| 21:02:06 | AlHazWork | haven't seen him |
| 21:10:35 | prpplague | AlHazWork: the sharp rep just called again about sending over a dev board for their new arm core |
| 21:11:26 | AlHazWork | cool |
| 21:14:48 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: And you told him to send it next day air, right? |
| 21:22:20 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: lol, no, i can't even look at it until next week! told him ground is fine! |
| 22:00:34 | boodle | is away: food |
| 22:21:48 | scanline | looks forward to his Thinkgeek caffeine sampler pack |
| 23:51:05 | boodle | is back (gone 01:50:05) |
