| 00:00:33 | AlHazWork | I want to know why, if we can have a flag in the kernel that'll tell you "This module may taint the kernel because it has an unknown license", why don't we have one that says "This module may fsck up your system because it's not known to be SMP safe, and you're running in an SMP configuration?" |
| 00:01:23 | prpplague | AlHazWork: that is a reasonable question, IMHO |
| 00:01:25 | AlHazWork | has finally determined that the crashyness in his dual celeron box with 2.4 is due to the fealnx.o driver for the cheap myson nic he put in, because for some reason his epic100 nic doesn't work in 2.4 |
| 00:02:15 | AlHazWork | prpplague: Woulda been nice if fealnx.o had come up and said "DANGER Will Robinson! No spinlocks!" |
| 00:02:37 | AlHazWork | or something . . |
| 00:03:08 | AlHazWork | it's fine for casual browsing, box goes "Boom" real fast if you transfer a few megs at a time at say 10mb/s |
| 00:03:09 | prpplague | AlHazWork: "i'm sorry dave, i'm afraid i can't insmod this module........" |
| 00:03:12 | AlHazWork | heh |
| 00:03:59 | scanline | is back (gone 00:33:53) |
| 00:05:40 | Hiraghm | waves near scanline |
| 00:06:03 | Hiraghm | uhm... |
| 00:06:45 | AlHazWork | going to install a pci-ne2k nic when i get home, have some honest-to-god dec 21140s on the way . . . |
| 00:09:50 | prpplague | scanline: back from a wild visit to local sority? |
| 00:12:48 | Hiraghm | microwindows doesn't have a widget set yet. |
| 00:12:50 | Hiraghm | right? |
| 00:13:06 | scanline | notices people talking to him |
| 00:13:09 | sjm | Err... no. |
| 00:13:10 | scanline | waves |
| 00:13:15 | scanline | hi Hiraghm and prpplague |
| 00:13:24 | scanline | prpplague: nah, i was taking a shower |
| 00:13:26 | Hiraghm | waves madly near scanline |
| 00:13:38 | Hiraghm | scanline.. was it yours? |
| 00:13:58 | Hiraghm | pictures scanline sneaking out of Home Depot with a shower on his back |
| 00:14:57 | scanline | hehe |
| 00:15:12 | scanline | nah, i took it, used it, then put it back |
| 00:15:15 | sjm | Hiraghm: I have used TinyWidgets with MicroWindows though |
| 00:15:44 | CosmicPenguin | Hiraghm: Microwindows has FLTK - can't get much better than that |
| 00:16:15 | scanline | grins evilly |
| 00:16:23 | Hiraghm | chuckles |
| 00:16:30 | Hiraghm | yeah, CP, I like FLTK |
| 00:16:47 | sjm | But not with uClibc (yet.... :) |
| 00:16:49 | Hiraghm | tried dinking with it when I first started messing with Linux/Irix a couple years ago |
| 00:16:58 | Hiraghm | uClibc |
| 00:17:07 | scanline | laughs at the widgets with hardcoded X,Y coordinates |
| 00:17:07 | Hiraghm | I keep hearing about uClibc |
| 00:17:36 | | tinyWidgets is a widget set? |
| 00:17:36 | Hiraghm | ibot, what is tinyWidgets? |
| 00:17:42 | Hiraghm | well duh |
| 00:17:45 | prpplague | Hiraghm: its going to be great once the c++ fltk support is running well |
| 00:17:47 | | it has been said that tinywidgets is a widget set? |
| 00:17:47 | Hiraghm | ibot, where can I find tinywidgets? |
| 00:18:05 | Hiraghm | nods near prpplague |
| 00:18:33 | Hiraghm | I'll start using FLTK for x86 stuff then |
| 00:18:38 | | Hiraghm: huh? |
| 00:18:38 | Hiraghm | ibot, FLTK |
| 00:18:42 | | bugger all, i dunno, hiraghm |
| 00:18:42 | Hiraghm | ibot, what is FLTK |
| 00:18:48 | Hiraghm | you're a dink, you know that ibot? |
| 00:20:30 | Hiraghm | is playing 3D Pinball Space Cadet |
| 00:20:41 | Hiraghm | wonders why such a nifty pinball game doesn't come with Mandrake 8.1 |
| 00:22:42 | | OK, prpplague. |
| 00:22:42 | prpplague | ibot: FLTK is Fast Lightweight Tool Kit and can be found at http://www.fltk.org |
| 00:22:47 | | it has been said that fltk is Fast Lightweight Tool Kit and can be found at http://www.fltk.org |
| 00:22:47 | prpplague | ibot: fltk |
| 00:23:32 | ctr | di.fm is rocking |
| 00:25:19 | Russ|werk | prpplague: arm is pretty easy |
| 00:25:21 | Russ|werk | prpplague: check out the lart schematics |
| 00:25:23 | Russ|werk | if you are confused, use a CPLD in your design |
| 00:25:25 | Russ|werk | prpplague: the intel SA-1100 is pin to pin ram/flash |
| 00:25:27 | Russ|werk | 4 flash/sram cs lines |
| 00:25:29 | Russ|werk | 4 dram (for sa1100) or sdram (for sa1110) cs lines |
| 00:25:31 | Russ|werk | 26 address lines |
| 00:25:33 | Russ|werk | 32 data lines |
| 00:25:35 | Russ|werk | pcmcia space provides a close approximation to ISA, but no DMA |
| 00:25:37 | Russ|werk | you get a bunch of GPIO lines |
| 00:25:54 | CosmicPenguin | I tried to download a 30,000 by 15,000 picture of the world from NASA It kinda sorta freaked out Galeon... :) |
| 00:27:51 | prpplague | Russ|werk: how much is involved in pullup resistors and caps on most sa-1100 designs? i know trace lenght is pretty important on the flash and ram but i've not found any docs on when to cap traces |
| 00:29:17 | Hiraghm | waves near Keyser |
| 00:29:41 | Hiraghm | waves near ctr |
| 00:29:46 | Keyser | hi |
| 00:29:48 | ctr | hey Hiraghm |
| 00:30:30 | Hiraghm | Hi |
| 00:30:37 | Hiraghm | 3 minuets |
| 00:34:05 | Hiraghm | sighs, clearly disappointed |
| 00:34:09 | Hiraghm | FLTK rocks |
| 00:35:13 | Hiraghm | welp, it should be done installing now |
| 00:36:00 | Hiraghm | is it difficult to set up a dev environment where you can develop separate apps for x86 and arm targets? |
| 00:37:48 | sjm | Hiraghm: No. I have three toolsets on my machine - x86, arm and m68k |
| 00:38:58 | CosmicPenguin | has 5 |
| 00:40:32 | Hiraghm | hm. |
| 00:40:38 | Hiraghm | m68k? |
| 00:40:45 | Hiraghm | whatcha targetting with m68k? |
| 00:41:02 | sjm | Hiraghm: 68EZ328 |
| 00:41:11 | Hiraghm | embedded? |
| 00:41:19 | Hiraghm | had been hoping Amiga |
| 00:41:22 | sjm | Hiraghm: yep, no-mmu |
| 00:41:50 | scanline | has a 68EZ328 machine |
| 00:42:06 | sjm | I have a network of them :) |
| 00:42:10 | scanline | ooh |
| 00:42:28 | sjm | Well, work does... Not me personally. |
| 00:42:46 | scanline | actually, i have 3... a Palm III, a uCsimm duct taped to a LCD, and a board i wire-wrapped and soldered myself |
| 00:43:02 | Hiraghm | uCsimm? |
| 00:43:35 | scanline | It's a 68EZ328, Ethernet, 8MB DRAM, and 2MB Flash in a 30-pin simm |
| 00:43:52 | Hiraghm | blinks |
| 00:43:57 | Hiraghm | it's a simm |
| 00:44:12 | Hiraghm | don't simms generally plug into things? |
| 00:44:30 | scanline | yes, i've got a small board with the power supply and some LCD glue logic |
| 00:45:02 | scanline | http://picogui.org/sshotdetail.php?index=27 |
| 00:45:28 | scanline | that colorful ribbon cable goes to the LCD, and the mess of wires on the PCB is the -27V power supply for the LCD |
| 00:45:40 | scanline | err, -25V |
| 00:46:34 | scanline | that alligator clip's just +12V for the backlight... |
| 00:46:40 | Hiraghm | wow |
| 00:47:00 | scanline | problem with uCsimms though is that they're slow and expensive |
| 00:47:13 | scanline | like $300 US i think |
| 00:47:25 | scanline | I got that one from Smartdata to do the m68k port of PicoGUI |
| 00:47:25 | Hiraghm | oh |
| 00:47:30 | Hiraghm | how big is that? |
| 00:47:56 | scanline | the simm? |
| 00:47:59 | sjm | Hmm... I think we pay about US$38 for them... |
| 00:48:08 | Hiraghm | that unit |
| 00:48:18 | scanline | sjm: really! Wow, i'd get more if I could buy 'em that cheap |
| 00:48:23 | Hiraghm | the simm, the breadboard, the case |
| 00:48:27 | sjm | In lots of 1000 though :( |
| 00:48:32 | scanline | sjm: oh |
| 00:48:34 | scanline | hmm... |
| 00:48:39 | scanline | i don't have a ruler |
| 00:48:42 | scanline | just a sec |
| 00:50:04 | scanline | well, to estimate... |
| 00:50:31 | scanline | about 6 inches wide, 4 inches tall, 3 inches deep |
| 00:50:44 | scanline | but mainly because of the huge surplus LCD i'm using |
| 00:50:50 | scanline | the simm itself is tiny |
| 00:51:55 | scanline | there are a few more pictures on there showing the rest of the box's insides and the outside when it's on |
| 00:51:58 | Hiraghm | soon as spring breaks, I'm going to get some acrylic and start dinking with making custom cases. |
| 00:52:00 | Hiraghm | nods |
| 00:52:48 | scanline | that case turned out to be just barely strong enough to survive me throwing it in my laptop case and carrying it around high school |
| 00:53:03 | scanline | would have been easier to make if i had a dremel back then :) |
| 00:53:14 | CosmicPenguin | Ok, time to head for home |
| 00:53:22 | Hiraghm | waves near fontenot |
| 00:53:27 | Hiraghm | waves near CosmicPenguin |
| 00:53:33 | scanline | bye CosmicPenguin |
| 00:53:39 | CosmicPenguin | is away: Heading home |
| 00:53:40 | scanline | waves a bunch |
| 00:56:43 | Hiraghm | waves near jeffrey |
| 00:59:45 | fontenot | damn dsl is crapping out yet again |
| 01:00:49 | Hiraghm | Oh no. 8c( |
| 01:01:05 | Hiraghm | what is Grub? |
| 01:01:15 | Hiraghm | (in reference to Linux boot loaders) |
| 01:02:16 | Hiraghm | anyone? |
| 01:02:39 | Hiraghm | waves near file |
| 01:02:44 | Hiraghm | file, what's Grub? |
| 01:02:53 | file | food. |
| 01:04:58 | Hiraghm | sighs, clearly disappointed |
| 01:05:09 | | no idea, hiraghm |
| 01:05:09 | Hiraghm | ibot, what is Grub? |
| 01:12:48 | | i guess ibot i am bad |
| 01:12:48 | Hiraghm | ibot ibot ibot |
| 01:12:50 | Hiraghm | shakes his head |
| 01:13:15 | Hiraghm | pokes BZFlag |
| 01:38:49 | fontenot | POS pacbell dsl |
| 01:50:17 | scanline | is away: "short nap" or something |
| 02:09:39 | | andersee was last seen on #tuxscreen 17 hours, 47 minutes and 28 seconds ago, saying: perhaps we can continue this after some sleep [Wed Feb 20 08:22:11 2002] |
| 02:09:39 | jacques_gone | ibot: seen andersee |
| 02:34:58 | Morn | is back (gone 04:28:46) |
| 03:33:02 | Hiraghm | waves madly about the room |
| 03:33:06 | | Hiraghm: sorry... |
| 03:33:06 | Hiraghm | ibot hi! |
| 03:33:15 | Hiraghm | hi ibot! |
| 03:33:21 | | hello, Hiraghm |
| 03:33:21 | Hiraghm | ibot, hello |
| 03:33:35 | Hiraghm | Morn? |
| 03:33:42 | Morn | yes? |
| 03:33:44 | Hiraghm | Somebody CTCP me 8c) |
| 03:34:31 | Morn | is buring the Mandrake 8.2 beta3 cd's right now :-) |
| 03:34:41 | Hiraghm | pokes Morn |
| 03:34:58 | Hiraghm | tries to figure out how to CTCP himself |
| 03:35:08 | Morn | I did a CTCP on you |
| 03:35:14 | Hiraghm | and and? |
| 03:35:15 | Morn | your running KVirc |
| 03:35:24 | Hiraghm | nods while grinning like an idiot |
| 03:35:37 | Hiraghm | can't run KVirc on Windows y'know |
| 03:35:56 | Morn | so your up and running, good :-) |
| 03:36:03 | Hiraghm | nods |
| 03:37:01 | Hiraghm | hm |
| 03:37:16 | Morn | hi CP |
| 03:37:25 | CosmicPenguin | Hello! |
| 03:37:35 | CosmicPenguin | This short track skating is really weird |
| 03:37:46 | sjm | Aussie gold! |
| 03:38:49 | CosmicPenguin | doh |
| 03:39:09 | CosmicPenguin | sjm: There have been two Aussie golds... :) |
| 03:39:12 | CosmicPenguin | First ever, huh?> |
| 03:39:14 | Hiraghm | CosmicPenguin... CTCP me! |
| 03:39:19 | sjm | Yep. |
| 03:39:22 | CosmicPenguin | Hiraghm: ping you? |
| 03:40:12 | CosmicPenguin | Wow - they just disqualified the winner.... whats up with that? |
| 03:40:26 | Hiraghm | what Error4033 did to me last night |
| 03:40:29 | CosmicPenguin | I don't approve of that. Especially since the american is now the winner |
| 03:40:42 | Hiraghm | glares icily at CosmicPenguin |
| 03:40:50 | CosmicPenguin | .69 seconds |
| 03:40:56 | CosmicPenguin | is American |
| 03:40:58 | Hiraghm | Morn? |
| 03:43:22 | Hiraghm | hm |
| 03:46:12 | Hiraghm | well |
| 03:46:15 | Hiraghm | brb |
| 03:49:20 | CosmicPenguin | How embarassing... I forgot the password to MySQL on my box |
| 03:49:45 | Morn | I used to remember how to fix that... |
| 03:50:00 | Hiraghm | Okay, now I'm using KSirc instead of KVirc |
| 03:50:11 | Hiraghm | hm |
| 03:50:13 | Hiraghm | hm |
| 03:55:02 | kergoth`gaming | is away: gone |
| 03:55:21 | Hiraghm | hm. |
| 03:55:25 | Hiraghm | This is xchat |
| 03:55:50 | Hiraghm | definitely different |
| 03:56:03 | Hiraghm | Hello? |
| 03:56:05 | | bonjour, Hiraghm |
| 03:56:05 | Hiraghm | ibot hello |
| 03:57:09 | Morn | I like either BitchX or xchat |
| 03:57:22 | Hiraghm | gonna try BitchX next |
| 03:58:03 | CosmicPenguin | Morn: This is how you fix that on Redhat: rpm --erase; rm -rf /var/lib/mysql; rpm --instal |
| 03:58:15 | Morn | there is a better way |
| 03:58:25 | Morn | there is a command you can send safe_mysqld |
| 03:58:35 | Morn | that tells it not to load the security files |
| 03:59:10 | Hiraghm | So far I like this one best |
| 03:59:58 | Morn | there it is |
| 04:00:14 | Morn | start mysqld with the --skip-grant-tables |
| 04:00:21 | CosmicPenguin | ahh.. thanks |
| 04:00:23 | Morn | that will let you login as root with no password |
| 04:00:44 | Morn | make sure you shutdown and restart after that though :-) |
| 04:02:25 | CosmicPenguin | Note to self - use a easy to remember password when developing |
| 04:03:09 | jacques | heh |
| 04:03:42 | AeroSpace | Note to self - don't set root password at 4am no matter how simple |
| 04:04:03 | jacques | for about a year I didn't own my nick because I forgot the password I used |
| 04:04:53 | AeroSpace | I'm running x-chat and it has an option to set the user and password, but I still have to /msg someadmin with my password, am I missing something? |
| 04:05:48 | Morn | username and password is for access to the server itself |
| 04:05:53 | Morn | not nickserv |
| 04:06:11 | CosmicPenguin | Actually, now I use the Fiagro Password Manager (fpm.sourceforge.net) |
| 04:07:26 | Morn | checks that out |
| 04:10:49 | Hiraghm | Hi |
| 04:11:05 | | i guess newtek is http://www.newtek.com Makers of Lightwave 3D, Aura [2] and the new Video Toaster NT. |
| 04:11:05 | Hiraghm | ibot, what is newtek? |
| 04:11:21 | Hiraghm | eggsactly right. |
| 04:11:52 | Morn | CosmicPenguin: have you tried to launch ssh from inside fpm? |
| 04:14:51 | Hiraghm | Morn, well, now that I've got Linux running, I need to get my dev environment set up. |
| 04:15:00 | Morn | that's always fun |
| 04:19:40 | Hiraghm | nods near Morn |
| 04:19:50 | Hiraghm | gotta dl and install blender yet |
| 04:20:02 | Hiraghm | gotta find the gimp, too. I know I installed the package |
| 04:20:20 | CosmicPenguin | Morn: I haven't used the launcher, just the storage |
| 04:20:20 | Hiraghm | gotta figure out how to set up my own icons and delete the existing ones |
| 04:22:11 | Hiraghm | well, some of the existing ones |
| 04:22:22 | Hiraghm | gotta get my own backgrounds too also. |
| 04:27:43 | Morn | CosmicPenguin: I just figured the launcher would send the password with it (ssh) but it doesn't seem to |
| 04:27:56 | CosmicPenguin | hmm... that whole part is a little wierd to me too |
| 04:34:23 | Hiraghm | me too |
| 04:37:16 | CosmicPenguin | bbl |
| 04:38:29 | Hiraghm | He didn't leave cause I glared icily at him earlier, did he? |
| 04:44:25 | Hiraghm | waves near Kergoth |
| 04:48:14 | kergoth | hello all |
| 06:04:12 | kergoth`gone | is away: no longer here |
| 06:25:53 | sjm | time to go, night all |
| 12:32:43 | Morn | is away: cleaning up... |
| 12:32:57 | scanline | is back (gone 10:42:40) |
| 12:57:01 | Morn | is back (gone 00:24:17) |
| 13:02:31 | ctr | is away: shower, food, tv and a little bit of tricky |
| 13:30:10 | | andersee was last seen on #tuxscreen 1 days, 5 hours, 7 minutes and 59 seconds ago, saying: perhaps we can continue this after some sleep [Wed Feb 20 08:22:11 2002] |
| 13:30:10 | fontenot | ibot: seen andersee |
| 14:53:51 | nelson | So, is anybody running an X server on their tux? |
| 14:56:55 | fontenot | shore |
| 14:57:30 | fontenot | only problem is ts with recent kernels - they changed the driver drastically |
| 14:57:48 | fontenot | there's a hack that gets it to work but no calibration yet |
| 14:58:10 | fontenot | or, you could just use an old kernel like 2.4.7 - but the recent kernels are much nicer |
| 14:58:34 | Tangent | fontenot : Wow.. you're still alive :) |
| 14:58:52 | fontenot | BTW this x server I am referring to is linked with uClibc even |
| 14:59:00 | fontenot | Tangent: yep :-) you too! |
| 14:59:17 | Tangent | fontenot : Yep.. I finished my contract now, so I'm back home once more :) |
| 14:59:51 | fontenot | Tangent: cool. it's good to be home. |
| 15:01:32 | fontenot | jg and keithp are working on changing xfree to work with the new input architecture - that will be really cool |
| 15:02:12 | fontenot | spider:~# uptime |
| 15:02:12 | fontenot | 07:03:03 up 129 days, 4:25, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 |
| 15:02:14 | fontenot | heh |
| 15:10:01 | prpplague | morning all |
| 15:16:58 | fontenot | well bedtime for me |
| 15:17:04 | fontenot | later Tangent |
| 15:26:21 | nelson | fontenot: so where can I get this kernel from? |
| 15:26:23 | prpplague | Tangent: still living hotels |
| 15:26:27 | nelson | s/kernel/x server/ |
| 15:27:56 | nelson | Hrm. guess I missed him. |
| 15:38:23 | cpenguin_away | is back (gone 14:44:41) |
| 15:40:46 | prpplague | morning CosmicPenguin |
| 15:46:57 | prpplague | Morning Morn |
| 15:47:39 | Morn | hey |
| 15:47:44 | Morn | the cable people were here |
| 15:47:50 | Morn | lets hope it is better today |
| 15:48:05 | prpplague | crosses his fingers and toes |
| 15:48:38 | Morn | yesterday was a disaster |
| 15:49:40 | prpplague | Morn: i bet, since you work at home that could be a big problem |
| 15:49:53 | Morn | it was |
| 15:49:57 | Morn | I was ready to hurt someone |
| 16:07:36 | prpplague | Morn: when you installed familiar, did you create a list of packages you normally install? |
| 16:19:54 | Morn | no |
| 16:20:19 | Morn | I used opie (qtopia) which as a graphical package manager |
| 16:20:26 | Morn | and sometimes just ipkg list | less |
| 16:20:31 | Morn | to see what is available |
| 16:39:42 | prpplague | Morn: familiar seems a little disjointed or not very cohesive, IMHO |
| 16:40:15 | prpplague | Morn: + the ppl in #familiar don't seem to want to help anyone |
| 16:41:34 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: thats because all the energy has moved to opie |
| 16:46:22 | Morn | go on #handhelds.org |
| 16:46:25 | Morn | it's got more chatter |
| 16:46:41 | prpplague | Morn: ya i didn't have much luck there either |
| 16:46:49 | scanline | is away: class time |
| 16:47:30 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: got a url for more info in opie? |
| 16:48:00 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: opie.handlehds.org, I think.... |
| 16:48:04 | Morn | prpplague: try #handhelds.org |
| 16:48:06 | Morn | there is more chatter there than #familiar |
| 16:48:17 | Morn | opie.handhelds.org has the info yes |
| 16:48:22 | Morn | opie is nice |
| 16:50:24 | prpplague | hmm, i need something that does x right now |
| 16:50:41 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: heard anything more on the future of pixil? |
| 16:51:20 | Morn | there is a hack to do X with opie |
| 16:51:24 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: Sorry... not yet |
| 16:51:31 | Morn | you use the vnc viewer and connect to the localhosts vncserver |
| 16:51:33 | CosmicPenguin | Morn: Thats just the VNC thing, though... |
| 16:51:37 | Morn | like I said it's a hack |
| 16:51:39 | Morn | but it works |
| 16:51:56 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: Hopefully, if the stars align, we can get Pixil out, and it will include an X11 emulation layer |
| 16:52:25 | Morn | wishes CosmicPenguin good luck |
| 16:52:53 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: let me correct myself, what i really need is something that will run fltk apps |
| 16:53:10 | CosmicPenguin | If the stars don't alighn, then the company will go under, and then they might put the code in the public domain |
| 16:53:13 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i should be able to use flnx |
| 16:53:37 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: FLTK 1.X.X, or do you think you will need to move to 2? |
| 16:53:41 | prpplague | hopes CP doesn't lose his job |
| 16:54:09 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: right now i'm pretty solid on 1.1.x |
| 16:54:20 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: Cool. |
| 16:54:35 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: really liked the look and feel of pixil |
| 16:55:16 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: thanks.... I know it feels a little too much like the Palm |
| 16:55:22 | CosmicPenguin | but you have to go with what works, I guess... |
| 16:59:38 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: well the target customer we are looking is familiar with the palm |
| 17:03:50 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: Do you have the e-mails for our top managment? |
| 17:11:06 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: negative, else i'd be spamming them a TT printing issues,lol |
| 17:12:50 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: Did you contact our support? |
| 17:14:12 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ya we have but to no avail |
| 17:15:32 | CosmicPenguin | Doh... |
| 17:17:43 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: Did they not respond? |
| 17:18:48 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: they tried their best, but we always got the standard response "you need to upgrade" and when we had upgraded to the newest edition we got "you need to uninstall TT and reload it" |
| 17:19:11 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: as a result we just stoped using TT printing all together |
| 17:19:20 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: thats horrible advice |
| 17:21:13 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: http://te.censoft.com/company/management.php |
| 17:21:41 | nelson | prpplague: what kind of help are you wanting? |
| 17:21:53 | prpplague | bookmarks |
| 17:23:15 | prpplague | nelson: our main issue was that we had many legacy serial terminals that we had replaced with winblows pc's and TT, the legacy terminal would have a printer that was used transparently |
| 17:24:09 | nelson | why were you asking that question on #handhelds.org? |
| 17:24:22 | prpplague | nelson: ohh different topic |
| 17:24:55 | prpplague | nelson: i'm having problems with the icewm that is a ipkg from handhelds.org |
| 17:25:20 | prpplague | nelson: the menu and preferences don't seem to be working like a standard edition of icewm |
| 17:25:42 | prpplague | nelson: i just recompil icewm and dumped it on the ipaq and it is working now |
| 17:25:59 | nelson | prpplague: oh. I use ion. Sorry, can't help you there. I think that not many people use icewm, so that may be why you had trouble getting an answer. |
| 17:26:00 | prpplague | nelson: i'm wondering if the ipkg was compiled with some different options |
| 17:27:18 | prpplague | nelson: what virtual keyboard are you using with ion? |
| 17:27:41 | nelson | prpplague: xstroke |
| 17:32:08 | prpplague | nelson: thanks |
| 18:03:20 | AlHazPad | mmm, wireless lan |
| 18:16:53 | scanline | is back (gone 01:30:03) |
| 18:52:18 | scanline | is away: oops, another class... |
| 19:08:55 | prpplague | Tangent: you alive? |
| 19:31:50 | Tangent | prpplague : Vaguely |
| 19:34:57 | prpplague | Tangent: just wanted to check and see how you were doing, still live in hotels? |
| 19:35:14 | Tangent | No.. finished that contract on Monday :) |
| 19:35:22 | Tangent | back home again now.. messing with machines :) |
| 19:38:34 | mallum | I broke one today :( |
| 19:38:57 | mallum | my little fujitsu point510 |
| 19:39:04 | mallum | I did something to the bios |
| 19:39:12 | mallum | now it wont do anything |
| 19:40:08 | mallum | not that it would boot linux without segfaulting anyway |
| 20:15:23 | scanline | is back (gone 01:23:05) |
| 20:37:30 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: you alive? |
| 20:39:37 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: here |
| 20:40:09 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: have tried to compil sqlite for arm yet? |
| 20:40:34 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: nope... don't tell me that it doesn't work |
| 20:41:12 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: no, i'm just getting started, just wanted to know if you'd found any gotcha's |
| 20:41:38 | CosmicPenguin | wipes his brow |
| 20:41:43 | CosmicPenguin | You had me scared there for a second |
| 20:42:58 | prpplague | lol |
| 20:48:51 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: eww this is going to be messy |
| 20:52:45 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: looks like the makefile wasn't made with intention of cross compiling |
| 20:54:47 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: I'll bet |
| 20:55:04 | CosmicPenguin | But I do know that the GPE folks have ported it, so I know there is an ipkg out there somewhere |
| 20:55:24 | file | look deep in yourself, and you shall find it |
| 20:55:35 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: oooh thats right! |
| 20:56:05 | CosmicPenguin | Now go, and let us not have ported in vain |
| 20:56:09 | CosmicPenguin | bows deeply |
| 20:56:11 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: looks like they are compiling a tool and then using the tool make some decisions, then doing further compil |
| 20:56:31 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: who, sqlite? yeah, they decided to make their own parser instead of using bison |
| 20:58:09 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hmm, so compil the parser under x86 and then fix the make file not to recompil it? |
| 20:58:31 | tzanger | How much does shipping usually run to Canada? FedEx/UPS/whatever is cheapest |
| 20:58:36 | tzanger | any trouble with customs? |
| 20:59:02 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: Yeah... the parser is called lemon, if that helps |
| 20:59:17 | CosmicPenguin | tzanger: depends on how fast we can drive past the border patrol.... :) |
| 20:59:35 | tzanger | CosmicPenguin: hahaha |
| 20:59:52 | tzanger | it's not the Canadian side you need to worry about these days... it's them US Marshalls on the US side that are the spooky ones |
| 21:00:01 | CosmicPenguin | No doubt |
| 21:00:01 | AlHazWork | tzanger: my canadian friends have told me that USPS is the way to go |
| 21:00:02 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: nm, found the flag |
| 21:00:22 | AlHazWork | that UPS will stick the reciever with all manner of fees |
| 21:00:24 | prpplague | 's brain is being sucked dry from dealing with cisco @$##$@#$ |
| 21:00:53 | tzanger | prpplague: I don't doubt it... Cisco is very difficult to deal with |
| 21:01:02 | tzanger | the best way I've done it is through the naslist (obviously for nas products) |
| 21:01:17 | tzanger | cool I think i'm going to order one |
| 21:02:22 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: cisco has made brain sucking a fine art |
| 21:02:26 | tzanger | hahahaha |
| 21:02:36 | tzanger | "Does your package have any special characteristics?" |
| 21:02:43 | tzanger | "A shrub or tree" is an option |
| 21:02:53 | scanline | a shrubbery! |
| 21:03:56 | tzanger | wow |
| 21:04:12 | tzanger | USD$18 to send an 8lb package to Canada |
| 21:07:53 | tzanger | ok so to place an order I just email timriker? |
| 21:10:12 | file | tzanger: doesn't cost too too much |
| 21:11:50 | tzanger | I know |
| 21:12:16 | tzanger | The wiki isn't very clear on how to order; is just emailing timriker how it's done? I don't see a link to a form or anything |
| 21:13:12 | CosmicPenguin | BZFlag: Looks like you've got a customer... :) |
| 21:21:07 | tzanger | so did you guys just get a shitload of these on surplus or something? |
| 21:22:38 | tzanger | it looks like a Philips project that kinda died as it was born but it has real potential so it's now a community project |
| 21:45:36 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: well i was able to compile a couple of apps with sqlite for arm, but i still haven't been able to compil the sqlite lib for arm |
| 22:01:10 | sjm | morning all |
| 22:05:27 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: doh! Where are the sticking points |
| 22:06:28 | AlHazWork | I'm gonna ask an off-topic question |
| 22:06:30 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: now its complaining about "unable to compile build for building tools" |
| 22:06:43 | AlHazWork | what the heck format are the driver-#.bin disk images for the debian install system supposed to be? |
| 22:06:51 | AlHazWork | because the installer can't do a damn thing with them |
| 22:06:51 | prpplague | AlHazWork: oh no! not something off topic in #tuxscreen |
| 22:06:54 | AlHazWork | thus rendering them useless |
| 22:08:21 | AlHazWork | strings reveals the following at the top of driver-1.bin: |
| 22:08:23 | AlHazWork | Floppy split 0.1 |
| 22:08:23 | AlHazWork | drv14 |
| 22:08:30 | AlHazWork | Which sure doesn't sound like a filesystem |
| 23:20:09 | ssoucek | is away: I'm busy |
| 23:50:20 | Russ | ok, think I'll do a merge today, anyone have any outstanding patches against 2.4.16-rmk2-tux1? (esp dsp stuff) |
| 23:51:18 | CosmicPenguin | russ Thinking about going to 2.4.17 - We had a bug with the touchscreen in 2.4.16 (fixed in 2.4.17) |
| 23:51:39 | Russ | I'll go to whatever is latest, and probaby a 2.5 merge as well |
| 23:52:34 | andersee | Only problem I've had is feedback on the speakerphone |
| 23:54:16 | Russ | the dsp code needs general cleanup, merging of the wheaties/serial flash stuff, needs to use the new header file, and needs to conform a little more closely to the kernel coding style |
| 23:54:32 | file | eh? |
| 23:55:12 | Russ | right now the wheatis and serial flash code thats in the kernel don't share the same code for accessing the bus |
| 23:55:40 | Russ | and they should really use the shannon.h header for most of their defines |
| 23:56:29 | Russ | they alsothey also should move from -i4 to -i8 |