| 00:05:09 | scanline | is away: pseudofoodlikeobjects |
| 00:07:59 | | The dead cannot live |
| 00:07:59 | CosmicPenguin | Morn: Are you alive? |
| 00:08:13 | sjm | :) |
| 00:11:35 | CosmicPenguin | ibot: is morn dead? |
| 00:23:03 | Morn | yes? |
| 00:24:53 | file | what |
| 00:25:04 | AeroSpace | where |
| 00:25:14 | file | when |
| 00:25:26 | file | who |
| 00:25:26 | file | why |
| 00:26:00 | file | wjat' |
| 00:26:01 | file | er |
| 00:26:03 | file | what's on at 9... |
| 00:26:05 | file | forgets |
| 00:26:08 | AeroSpace | And how do I know it isn't just yahoo's database that is screwed up? |
| 00:26:16 | file | AeroSpace: probably is |
| 00:26:41 | AeroSpace | file: but if it was my program I could fix it! |
| 00:26:53 | file | but it isn't |
| 00:26:54 | file | so SHUSH |
| 00:30:37 | scanline | is back (gone 00:25:28) |
| 00:40:49 | CosmicPenguin | is away: mmm... home.... |
| 01:46:01 | scanline | is away: and the project of the day is.... a 4-bit combinational multiplier |
| 01:47:26 | Russ | scanline: dividing is more fun |
| 01:50:24 | Sammy | hello all |
| 01:52:15 | ssoucek | is away: to gym... |
| 02:33:15 | jacques_ | hi all |
| 02:33:52 | | what's up, sjm |
| 02:33:52 | sjm | jacques_: hello |
| 02:35:32 | jacques_ | hi sjm |
| 03:35:02 | ssoucek | is back (gone 01:42:46) |
| 04:24:02 | scanline | is back (gone 02:38:01) |
| 04:32:29 | | privet, Hiraghm |
| 04:32:29 | Hiraghm | ibot hi |
| 04:32:36 | Hiraghm | Morn hi |
| 04:32:41 | Morn | hey |
| 04:32:44 | Hiraghm | waves near everyone else |
| 04:32:52 | Hiraghm | formatting hda1 |
| 04:32:54 | Morn | I wish I could get vls setup |
| 04:32:59 | Hiraghm | what's vls? |
| 04:33:05 | Morn | videolan server |
| 04:33:09 | Hiraghm | oh of course. |
| 04:33:15 | Hiraghm | shrugs unkowingly |
| 04:33:20 | Morn | I'm trying to get it broadcast a dvd to another machine |
| 04:33:26 | Morn | and then view it on the ipaq |
| 04:33:48 | Hiraghm | Morn, I went with default partitioning.. 2.2 gig linux, 240 meg swap, and 1.4 gig linux it says. |
| 04:33:52 | Hiraghm | ooh, cool |
| 04:34:32 | Morn | you have 3 partitions? |
| 04:34:35 | Hiraghm | I can go back and partition it differently. |
| 04:34:39 | Hiraghm | that's the default, yeah. |
| 04:34:49 | Hiraghm | hda1, hda5 and hda6 |
| 04:35:02 | Hiraghm | 2.2g, 240m, 1.4g |
| 04:35:18 | Hiraghm | bad? wrong? evil? |
| 04:35:21 | Morn | but where do they point? |
| 04:35:31 | Morn | is the 2.2gig for / and 1.4 gig for /home ? |
| 04:35:33 | Hiraghm | can't tell you that til it's done formattink |
| 04:35:39 | Hiraghm | I *think* so. |
| 04:35:53 | Morn | Acutally I would have done it the other way around |
| 04:35:55 | Hiraghm | I prefer it all under / and the 240 under swap. |
| 04:36:03 | Hiraghm | why? |
| 04:36:17 | Morn | it's acutally better to use seperate partitions |
| 04:36:23 | Hiraghm | (don't call me stef) |
| 04:36:39 | Morn | and have /home seperate partition |
| 04:36:42 | Hiraghm | again, why? |
| 04:36:52 | Hiraghm | not arguing, just trying to learn. |
| 04:36:53 | Morn | that way if have to re=install you don't have to reformat /home to do it |
| 04:37:00 | Hiraghm | Oh |
| 04:37:13 | Morn | and /home can overflow without causing the whole system to crash |
| 04:37:32 | Morn | I normally make a / /var /usr /home |
| 04:37:57 | Morn | and if it is a web server a seperate partion for the web files |
| 04:37:59 | Hiraghm | this makes no sense to me. |
| 04:38:04 | Hiraghm | no, it's a notebook. |
| 04:38:14 | Morn | a notebook with a small drive |
| 04:38:20 | Hiraghm | yes. 4 gig |
| 04:38:30 | Morn | I'd make / 1.4 gig and a swap and then /home the rest |
| 04:38:32 | Hiraghm | and yes, that's how it's partitioned |
| 04:38:55 | AeroSpace | I like it all on / and a swap partition because I know I'll fill everything up eventually. That way I don't have waisted space on one partition that I need on another. |
| 04:39:01 | Morn | but how you have it isn't bad |
| 04:39:19 | Hiraghm | argh. don't have my calculator.. what's 1.4 gig in bytes |
| 04:39:36 | Hiraghm | hugs AeroSpace |
| 04:39:37 | AeroSpace | bc -l |
| 04:39:46 | Hiraghm | bc -l? |
| 04:40:05 | sjm | you should be able to enter +1.4G |
| 04:40:08 | Hiraghm | I like the way Aerospace has his. What's wrong with it that way? |
| 04:40:15 | AeroSpace | NoSpace:~$ bc -l |
| 04:40:18 | AeroSpace | 1.4*2^30 |
| 04:40:18 | AeroSpace | 1503238553.6 |
| 04:40:23 | Hiraghm | sjm, it's a graphical slider thingy. gives me exact bytes |
| 04:40:33 | sjm | Doh! |
| 04:40:36 | Morn | you can do it that way... |
| 04:40:59 | Morn | I've just seen to many people need to re-install or do something that needs a reformat |
| 04:41:08 | Morn | and then your stuck unless you can backup /home |
| 04:41:26 | Morn | with /home on a different partition you can do that without losing your personal data |
| 04:41:34 | AeroSpace | Morn: it would seem to me if you need to reformat / /home would be in trouble also. |
| 04:41:50 | Hiraghm | extended, primary or extended_95?? |
| 04:41:54 | Morn | aerospace not if it's a seperate partition |
| 04:42:16 | Hiraghm | err extended_0x85 |
| 04:42:18 | Morn | Plus, *I'm* used to configuring servers, not workstations |
| 04:42:24 | Hiraghm | what's them? |
| 04:42:29 | Hiraghm | comforts Morn |
| 04:42:31 | AeroSpace | Great another three hour water outage in the apartment. I should keep their flyers and add up the time. |
| 04:42:39 | Hiraghm | comfort AeroSpace |
| 04:42:53 | | Hiraghm: i'm not following you... |
| 04:42:53 | Hiraghm | ibot comfort AeroSpace |
| 04:43:08 | Hiraghm | Does it matter what I specificy for /? |
| 04:43:10 | AeroSpace | Morn: What's one of the reasons they use for reformating? |
| 04:43:11 | Morn | a hd can have 4 primary partitions and I forget how many extended (I think 8) |
| 04:43:38 | Hiraghm | mkay |
| 04:43:43 | Hiraghm | and I want / to be a primary, right? |
| 04:43:48 | Morn | AeroSpace: many, but, considering this is his first linux install the odds of having to redo it are pretty high :-) |
| 04:44:00 | Hiraghm | 3rd actually. spaced over a year apart. |
| 04:44:01 | AeroSpace | Morn: That's what rm -rf is for. |
| 04:44:12 | Morn | linux can use either primary or extended |
| 04:44:23 | Morn | windows 9x needs to be on the first primary |
| 04:44:24 | Hiraghm | this is the first time I won't be dual booting however |
| 04:44:46 | AeroSpace | Hiraghm: If you are going to use four or less partitions just use primary partitions. |
| 04:44:56 | Hiraghm | nods near AeroSpace |
| 04:44:58 | Hiraghm | thanks |
| 04:45:26 | Morn | hi CP |
| 04:45:33 | Morn | were you looking for me earlier today? |
| 04:45:36 | Hiraghm | make swap a primary too also? |
| 04:45:53 | Morn | it doesn't matter |
| 04:46:05 | Morn | linux doesn't care |
| 04:46:08 | Hiraghm | and is 250mb big enough for swap? that was the default |
| 04:46:20 | Morn | how much ram do you have? |
| 04:46:28 | CosmicPenguin | Morn: Yeah - I had a few evolution questions, but I hacked through em |
| 04:46:38 | Hiraghm | 64mb but I may upgrade as far as 256. |
| 04:46:40 | Morn | CosmicPenguin: cool |
| 04:46:50 | Morn | swap should be approx 2x ram |
| 04:46:50 | Hiraghm | waves madly near CosmicPenguin |
| 04:46:55 | CosmicPenguin | ducks |
| 04:47:01 | Hiraghm | is it bad if it's bigger? |
| 04:47:05 | Morn | no |
| 04:47:14 | Hiraghm | mkay, I'll repartition with 512m |
| 04:47:14 | AeroSpace | I discovered what I have won't even install windows. I figured this out when I went to upgrade the firmware in my cdrom, so if anything happens to the dual boot in my laptop I'll not be dual booting there anymore. |
| 04:47:26 | Morn | on this box my swap is 1gig with 2 gig of real ram |
| 04:48:11 | Hiraghm | this is a compaq presario 305. stupid thing had 2 partitions... 1 3.5g, 1 600m... the 600mb was FULL of the OS install files |
| 04:48:40 | Morn | my laptop is a 1694 (compaq) |
| 04:48:41 | AeroSpace | I've decided swap is like harddisk space, the longer I run the less I have free, so I might as well start with a ton. |
| 04:48:55 | ssoucek | is away: off for today |
| 04:48:57 | Morn | but I upgraded the harddrive to 20 gig |
| 04:48:59 | AeroSpace | Morn: You're laptop has 2gigs of ram? |
| 04:49:06 | Morn | no, my desktop |
| 04:49:11 | Morn | different machines :-) |
| 04:49:39 | Morn | tries to add up all the ram in the machines in her room, and her head spins. |
| 04:49:45 | AeroSpace | Morn: I was going to say my laptop only has 32MB and at the price that memory is, it isn't getting any upgrades. |
| 04:49:55 | Hiraghm | Morn, what kind of memory in desktop? |
| 04:50:01 | Morn | DDR |
| 04:50:05 | Morn | PC-2100 |
| 04:50:05 | Hiraghm | pooh 8c( |
| 04:50:13 | Hiraghm | what size DIMMs? |
| 04:50:20 | Morn | 512MB |
| 04:50:22 | Hiraghm | ah. |
| 04:50:28 | Hiraghm | my desktop takes SDRAM |
| 04:50:43 | Hiraghm | up to 3 gig, but I can't seem to get a price on 1gig DIMMs |
| 04:50:56 | Morn | I just built this Desktop around Thanksgiving |
| 04:51:09 | Hiraghm | okay, 3.5gig, and 502meg. |
| 04:51:24 | Morn | I want to upgrade the cpu's when I have the cash |
| 04:51:35 | Hiraghm | I know should be 512, but that's close nuff I hope. |
| 04:51:37 | Morn | put 2 1900+MP's in it |
| 04:51:45 | Hiraghm | drools near Morn |
| 04:51:53 | Hiraghm | Athlon? |
| 04:51:57 | Morn | yeah |
| 04:52:06 | Hiraghm | what apps you run? |
| 04:52:12 | AeroSpace | gcc? |
| 04:52:15 | Morn | it's my development machine |
| 04:52:24 | Hiraghm | you're kidding? |
| 04:52:26 | Hiraghm | cries a little bit. |
| 04:53:53 | Morn | I am using the dual athlon and the ultrasparc together for some development stuff |
| 04:54:11 | AeroSpace | Other than the tuxscreens my last cpu purchase was over three years ago. |
| 04:54:31 | Morn | I wish I could say that |
| 04:55:00 | AeroSpace | Are you wanting a trade? |
| 04:55:17 | Hiraghm | how long can a root password be? |
| 04:55:27 | Morn | in the last year I've bought the dual athlon, the ultrasparc, the tuxscreen, the iPAQ, 2 palms... |
| 04:55:37 | AeroSpace | Hiraghm: if you have md5 passwords it can be pretty darn long. |
| 04:56:00 | scanline | is away: temporary unconsciousness, now in 10 easy to swallow colors |
| 04:56:05 | Morn | longer than you want to type everytime you login |
| 04:56:15 | Hiraghm | smiles ner Morn |
| 04:56:21 | Hiraghm | smiles near Morn even |
| 04:56:27 | Error403 | andersee: ping :/ |
| 04:56:29 | Hiraghm | waves near Error403 |
| 04:56:59 | Hiraghm | 1.8g worth of installed apps <sigh> |
| 04:57:09 | Hiraghm | ACK! stop CTCP VERSIONING me! |
| 04:57:17 | Hiraghm | doesn't know what it is, but Fears the Unknown |
| 04:57:32 | Morn | they are trying to see what client you are using |
| 04:57:38 | Hiraghm | VirC |
| 04:57:56 | Hiraghm | why, is it causing problems? |
| 04:58:15 | Morn | who versioned you? |
| 04:58:18 | Error403 | me |
| 04:58:26 | Error403 | pfft, what's this windows crud |
| 05:01:34 | Hiraghm | it's what I'm running |
| 05:01:52 | Hiraghm | The software I ened to run isn't written for Linux. |
| 05:01:59 | Hiraghm | er, need not ened |
| 05:02:12 | Hiraghm | wishes it were. |
| 05:02:17 | Error403 | Well then you're needing the wrong software |
| 05:03:24 | jacques_ | heh |
| 05:03:24 | AeroSpace | Error403: And if you were listening earlier he's installing Linux. |
| 05:04:37 | Hiraghm | nods near Error403 |
| 05:04:42 | Hiraghm | I'm installing Linux |
| 05:05:14 | andersee | Error403: pong |
| 05:05:18 | Hiraghm | but Lightwave 3D won't run under Linux. |
| 05:05:21 | Error403 | andersee: How goes C++? :) |
| 05:05:41 | andersee | Error403: Havn't touched it since Friday. Very close though. |
| 05:05:52 | Error403 | darn :/ |
| 05:06:05 | andersee | Error403: I got full lipthread working today though. :) |
| 05:06:19 | andersee | Error403: Going into CVS in a few minutes |
| 05:07:26 | andersee | Error403: got time to help? I have my full toolchain source plus builder Makefile publicly available |
| 05:08:05 | Error403 | andersee: I know nothing about what you're doing. I can barely read C-only as it is :/ |
| 05:09:28 | andersee | Error403: ah well. You can surely help with testing. |
| 05:09:33 | Error403 | andersee: Sure |
| 05:09:38 | Hiraghm | should I install BZFlag? |
| 05:09:43 | Hiraghm | ducks |
| 05:09:45 | Error403 | Hiraghm: ;) |
| 05:10:01 | andersee | Error403: Now that I have pthread done, C++ is back in the top priority spot |
| 05:10:12 | Hiraghm | andersee, what is you working on? |
| 05:10:12 | Error403 | cool |
| 05:11:13 | sjm | pwd |
| 05:11:19 | andersee | Hiraghm: got uClibc's libpthread working today |
| 05:11:48 | andersee | Hiraghm: That will be going into CVS in a few, then I'm back on fixing C++ global constructors/destructors |
| 05:12:44 | Hiraghm | hums happily, if nervously |
| 05:12:51 | Hiraghm | andersee |
| 05:12:57 | | it has been said that libpthread is working now when staticly linking. There is a problem with errno still breaking dynamic linking, but andersee's hours last night hacking on ldso have made that now obvious |
| 05:12:57 | Hiraghm | what is libpthread? |
| 05:13:02 | Hiraghm | shut up ibot |
| 05:13:14 | Error403 | andersee: He hasn't used linux before :\ |
| 05:13:20 | Hiraghm | yes I have. |
| 05:13:25 | Hiraghm | just not much |
| 05:13:28 | Error403 | :) |
| 05:13:42 | Hiraghm | I've used Irix more. never encountered libpthread though |
| 05:13:57 | Hiraghm | points at Error403 |
| 05:14:01 | Hiraghm | He's picking on me, isn't he? |
| 05:14:47 | Error403 | I'm tired, so it's easier to pick on people since I have less guilt |
| 05:16:13 | Hiraghm | ah |
| 05:16:33 | | Hiraghm: i'm not following you... |
| 05:16:33 | Hiraghm | ibot they didn't answer my question |
| 05:16:56 | Hiraghm | obviously it's a library... a library that has to do with threading.. that I can understand |
| 05:16:58 | Hiraghm | pthread? |
| 05:17:25 | Error403 | it's the implementation of threading on various Unices |
| 05:17:46 | Error403 | mainly non-commercial unices |
| 05:17:51 | Error403 | afaik |
| 05:19:39 | andersee | libpthread is a library that inplements POSIX threading (pthreads), i.e. pthread_create(), pthread_join(), pthread_cond_wait(), etc... |
| 05:23:05 | jacques_ | p stands for posix |
| 05:23:09 | jacques_ | hi andersee |
| 05:23:23 | jacques_ | andersee: congrats on getting threads working |
| 05:23:30 | andersee | thx |
| 05:23:49 | andersee | It seems to pass all the test cases I've thrown at it. |
| 05:24:01 | andersee | Now to test on my NetWinder... |
| 05:24:03 | Error403 | andersee: Qt? :) |
| 05:24:07 | Error403 | giggles |
| 05:25:12 | jacques_ | wish i had a `winder |
| 05:25:13 | andersee | Nope. Just some sample threadding apps. The microwindows viewml need pthreds to work, so if it works on my netwinder, it will work on the tuxscreen |
| 05:25:21 | jacques_ | cool |
| 05:25:33 | jacques_ | now we can run mozilla :D |
| 05:25:41 | andersee | probably. :-) |
| 05:26:14 | andersee | jacques: BTW, I have a test I would _very_ much like to have you run for me... Remember that X linking problem? |
| 05:26:39 | andersee | jacques: I think I may have a better way to do the gcc wrapper.... |
| 05:26:39 | Error403 | pfft, mozilla, you mean that large bloated monster? :) |
| 05:26:45 | Error403 | </flamebait> |
| 05:27:16 | andersee | jacques: got a little bit of time? |
| 05:27:45 | jacques_ | andersee: yes |
| 05:28:03 | jacques_ | andersee: tell me what to do |
| 05:31:05 | andersee | jacques_: k. Just a minute... |
| 05:31:48 | jacques_ | nod |
| 05:33:14 | | it has been said that netwinder is http://www.rebel.com/ |
| 05:33:14 | Hiraghm | netwinder? |
| 05:33:55 | Hiraghm | site isn't there ibot |
| 05:34:53 | | Error403: what? |
| 05:34:53 | Error403 | ibot you suck |
| 05:34:58 | | Error403: i'm not following you... |
| 05:34:58 | Error403 | ibot you heard me |
| 05:35:03 | | Error403: what? |
| 05:35:03 | Error403 | ibot hah! |
| 05:35:04 | | OK, andersee. |
| 05:35:04 | andersee | ibot netwinder information is at http://netwinder.org/ |
| 05:35:20 | Error403 | An error occured while loading http://netwinder.org/: |
| 05:35:21 | Error403 | Unknown host netwinder.org |
| 05:35:42 | | ...but netwinder information is at http://netwinder.org/... |
| 05:35:42 | Error403 | ibot netwinder information is at http://www.netwinder.org |
| 05:35:55 | | ...but netwinder information is at http://netwinder.org/... |
| 05:35:55 | Error403 | ibot no, netwinder information is at http://www.netwinder.org |
| 05:36:09 | AeroSpace | Doesn't learn I see... |
| 05:36:56 | | jacques_: I forgot netwinder information |
| 05:36:56 | jacques_ | ibot: forget netwinder information |
| 05:37:07 | jacques_ | try now |
| 05:37:10 | | OK, Error403. |
| 05:37:10 | Error403 | ibot netwinder information is at http://www.netwinder.org |
| 05:39:23 | | somebody said netwinder was http://www.rebel.com/ |
| 05:39:23 | AeroSpace | ibot netwinder |
| 05:39:39 | AeroSpace | I didn't do it. |
| 05:39:42 | | i heard netwinder information was at http://www.netwinder.org |
| 05:39:42 | jacques_ | ibot: netwinder information |
| 05:40:10 | jacques_ | try 'ibot: search for netwinder' |
| 05:44:04 | | jacques_: San Jose, San Jose International Airport, CA, United States; (KSJC) 37-21-33N 121-55-27W 25M; last updated: Feb 19, 2002 11:53 PM EST; Dew Point: 52.0 F (11.1 C); Pressure (altimeter): 30.27 in. Hg (1025 hPa); Relative Humidity: 86%; Sky conditions: mostly cloudy; Temperature: 55.9 F (13.3 C); Visibility: 10 mile(s); Wind: from the SSE (160 degrees) at 4 MPH (4 KT) |
| 05:44:04 | jacques_ | ibot: weather ksjc |
| 05:49:03 | Hiraghm | Oh |
| 06:05:41 | andersee | jacques_: ok, sorry about that. I was talking with a subcontractor of mine. |
| 06:06:08 | andersee | jacques_: I assume you are cross compiling for ARM, right? |
| 06:06:23 | andersee | jacques_: What is the name of your cross compiler? |
| 06:10:49 | Hiraghm | hm. |
| 06:10:52 | | yes, Hiraghm? |
| 06:10:52 | Hiraghm | ibot |
| 06:10:59 | | somebody said Hiraghm was Extra Terrestrial Imports or a small furry alien |
| 06:10:59 | Hiraghm | ibot Hiraghm |
| 06:11:11 | | yes, Hiraghm? |
| 06:11:11 | Hiraghm | ibot? |
| 06:11:24 | | netwinder information is at http://www.netwinder.org |
| 06:11:24 | Hiraghm | ibot netwinder information |
| 06:26:06 | sjm | home time, good night all |
| 06:46:25 | jacques_ | andersee: /usr/local/arm/bin/arm-linux-gcc |
| 06:47:22 | andersee | jacques_: k. Step one. Run /usr/local/arm/bin/arm-linux-gcc -dumpspecs > myspecs |
| 06:47:27 | Hiraghm | Hi! |
| 06:47:32 | Hiraghm | waves near everyone |
| 06:48:04 | jacques_ | andersee: ok, done |
| 06:48:27 | andersee | jacques_: now, open myspecs in your editor of choice |
| 06:48:48 | andersee | look for the line with just "*cpp:" |
| 06:49:10 | andersee | What does the entry below have? |
| 06:49:48 | andersee | Oh, and where is uClibc installed? |
| 06:50:57 | jacques_ | andersee: %(cpp_cpu_arch) %(cpp_apcs_pc) %(cpp_float) %(cpp_endian) %(subtarget_cpp_spec) |
| 06:51:22 | andersee | Change that to: |
| 06:51:22 | | andersee: that doesn't look right |
| 06:51:33 | jacques_ | andersee: /home/packages/tuxscreen/buildroot-tux/staging_dir |
| 06:52:09 | andersee | %(cpp_cpu_arch) -nostdinc -I/home/andersen/CVS/uClibc/include/ -I/usr/lib/gcc-lib/i386-linux/2.95.4/include %(cpp_apcs_pc) etc. |
| 06:52:19 | andersee | But change tha paths of course |
| 06:52:19 | | andersee: that doesn't look right |
| 06:52:28 | | Sorry, andersee, I'll keep my mouth shut. |
| 06:52:28 | andersee | ibot: shut up |
| 06:52:52 | | Hiraghm: what? |
| 06:52:52 | Hiraghm | ibot: open your mouth wide. |
| 06:53:25 | | OK, Hiraghm. |
| 06:53:25 | Hiraghm | ibot: andersee and jacques_ are speaking geek to me. |
| 06:53:34 | | andersee and jacques_ are speaking geek to me. |
| 06:53:34 | Hiraghm | ibot andersee and jacques_ |
| 06:53:40 | Hiraghm | rolls on the floor laughing |
| 06:53:51 | Hiraghm | That wasn't intentional, but I suspected after I typed it... 8c) |
| 06:53:52 | andersee | The first path should be to the uClibc includes, and the second path is the path you get from running 'dirname `/usr/local/arm/bin/arm-linux-gcc -print-libgcc-file-name`' |
| 06:54:54 | andersee | jacques_: if this works, I'll automate this junk... |
| 06:56:37 | jacques_ | andersee: should my sedonc path be /usr/local/arm/lib/gcc-lib/arm-linux/2.95.4 or should is have include at the end? |
| 06:56:49 | jacques_ | andersee: also. what about trailing / on those paths - you have it both ways |
| 06:57:12 | andersee | axe the trailing / |
| 06:57:31 | andersee | jacques: that looks right re 2nd path |
| 06:58:06 | andersee | jacques_: next we need to adjust the "cc1:" entry |
| 06:58:41 | jacques_ | ok, right now it appears to be empty |
| 06:59:45 | andersee | Add "-nostdinc " then the two -I entries from "*cpp:" |
| 07:01:17 | jacques_ | andersee: ok is looks like this: |
| 07:01:20 | jacques_ | *cc1: |
| 07:01:20 | jacques_ | -nostdinc -I/home/packages/tuxscreen/buildroot-tux/staging_dir/include -I/usr/l\ |
| 07:01:20 | jacques_ | ocal/arm/lib/gcc-lib/arm-linux/2.95.4 |
| 07:02:07 | andersee | k |
| 07:02:21 | andersee | Next, the "*link:" entry... |
| 07:02:28 | andersee | What does it have? |
| 07:02:54 | jacques_ | a whole bunch of ugly stuff |
| 07:03:23 | jacques_ | *link: |
| 07:03:23 | jacques_ | %{h*} %{version:-v} %{b} %{Wl,*:%*} %{static:-Bstatic} %{shared:-shared} %{symbolic:-Bsymbolic} %{rdynamic:-export-dynamic} %{!dynamic-linker:-dynamic-linker /lib/ld-linux.so.2} -X %{mbig-endian:-EB} %{mapcs-26:-m armelf_linux26} %{!mapcs-26:-m armelf_linux} -p |
| 07:03:41 | Hiraghm | panics and screams |
| 07:04:53 | andersee | Ok |
| 07:05:20 | andersee | Change /lib/ld-linux.so.2 to /lib/ld-uClibc.so.0 |
| 07:06:26 | jacques_ | ok, done |
| 07:06:51 | andersee | Then add "-nostdlib -L/home/packages/tuxscreen/buildroot-tux/staging_dir/lib -L/usr/local/arm/lib/gcc-lib/arm-linux/2.95.4" to the beginning of that line |
| 07:07:22 | andersee | nearly done... |
| 07:09:24 | jacques_ | will the fact that -L/home/packages/tuxscreen/buildroot-tux/staging_dir/lib ends in lib and /lib/ld-linux.so.2 starts with lib hurt anything? |
| 07:10:27 | andersee | That is just what I want. :-) Finally, look for the "startfile:" line. |
| 07:11:01 | andersee | Change the entry to this: |
| 07:11:04 | andersee | %{!shared: %{pg:/home/packages/tuxscreen/buildroot-tux/staging_dir/lib/crt0.o%s} %{!pg:%{p:/home/packages/tuxscreen/buildroot-tux/staging_dir/lib/crt0.o%s} %{!p:%{profile:/home/packages/tuxscreen/buildroot-tux/staging_dir/lib/crt0.o%s} %{!profile:/home/packages/tuxscreen/buildroot-tux/staging_dir/lib/crt0.o%s}}}} %s %{!shared:crtbegin.o%s} %{shared:crtbeginS.o%s} |
| 07:11:31 | andersee | Except keep it a single line... |
| 07:12:10 | jacques_ | right, done |
| 07:12:18 | andersee | basically, delete crti.on and change crt1.o and and gcrt1.o to /home/packages/tuxscreen/buildroot-tux/staging_dir/lib/crt0.o |
| 07:12:33 | andersee | ok. Now to test this thing.... :) |
| 07:12:37 | jacques_ | heh |
| 07:12:37 | andersee | save it |
| 07:12:42 | jacques_ | saved |
| 07:12:53 | andersee | cp myspecs to /home/packages/tuxscreen/buildroot-tux/staging_dir/bin |
| 07:13:04 | andersee | Then cd /home/packages/tuxscreen/buildroot-tux/staging_dir/bin |
| 07:13:38 | andersee | I lied |
| 07:13:42 | andersee | Then cd /home/packages/tuxscreen/buildroot-tux/staging_dir/usr/bin |
| 07:13:43 | jacques_ | ok |
| 07:14:00 | jacques_ | but still copy it to just bin (not usr/bin) ? |
| 07:14:03 | andersee | mv arm-uclibc-gcc arm-uclibc-gcc.orig |
| 07:14:11 | andersee | No, to usr/bin |
| 07:14:15 | andersee | sorry bout that |
| 07:14:18 | jacques_ | ok |
| 07:14:24 | andersee | mv arm-uclibc-gcc arm-uclibc-gcc.orig |
| 07:14:45 | jacques_ | pl done that |
| 07:14:48 | jacques_ | ok |
| 07:14:54 | andersee | touch arm-uclibc-gcc; chmod a+x arm-uclibc-gcc |
| 07:16:00 | jacques_ | ok |
| 07:16:15 | andersee | Now edit arm-uclibc-gcc |
| 07:16:22 | andersee | Put this in it: |
| 07:16:24 | andersee | #!/bin/sh |
| 07:16:24 | andersee | /usr/local/arm/bin/arm-linux-gcc -specs /home/packages/tuxscreen/buildroot-tux/staging_dir/usr/bin/myspecs $@ |
| 07:17:27 | andersee | save it, and now try to compile stuff for the tuxscreen... |
| 07:18:11 | andersee | I'd be very interested in hearing if X will link properly with that... |
| 07:19:12 | Hiraghm | waves near Evanrude |
| 07:23:31 | jacques_ | ah CRAP |
| 07:24:09 | jacques_ | i did a make distclean in buildroot-tux |
| 07:24:10 | andersee | uh-oh |
| 07:24:22 | andersee | Hmm. |
| 07:24:26 | jacques_ | give me a while to recover |
| 07:24:35 | andersee | You copies myspecs from elsewhere, right? |
| 07:24:39 | jacques_ | i still have the myspecs |
| 07:24:47 | andersee | s/copies/copied/ |
| 07:24:50 | andersee | k. |
| 07:25:05 | Hiraghm | this is not encouraging. the farther it gets installing packages, the more time it says remains |
| 07:25:06 | andersee | You will need to rebuild and reinstall uClibc. |
| 07:25:07 | Hiraghm | chuckles |
| 07:25:40 | jacques_ | yeah, I'm doing a make in the buildroot-tux now |
| 07:28:51 | andersee | Cool, libpthread is working on ARM. Time to commit to CVS.... |
| 07:30:03 | Hiraghm | nuts |
| 07:30:07 | Hiraghm | rants and raves |
| 07:30:12 | Hiraghm | I labelled my CDs wrong 8c( |
| 07:32:16 | Hiraghm | welcome back |
| 07:32:29 | andersee | that was fun |
| 07:34:44 | jacques_ | always is |
| 07:34:58 | jacques_ | ok my buildroot just finished |
| 07:35:10 | jacques_ | time to recreate the script |
| 07:38:55 | andersee | jacques_: so you all set now? |
| 07:39:19 | jacques_ | andersee: yeah |
| 07:39:35 | jacques_ | andersee: I guess I'll try building x now |
| 07:39:52 | jacques_ | I have to rebuild all of it since it thinks something has changed and wants to do it anyway |
| 07:40:01 | andersee | k |
| 07:40:03 | jacques_ | i.e. I can't just do the link step |
| 07:40:14 | andersee | Lets start with something smaller like busybox... |
| 07:40:22 | andersee | make -C busybox clean |
| 07:40:39 | andersee | then run make and lets check that the compiler works. |
| 07:40:54 | jacques_ | ok |
| 07:41:35 | jacques_ | that was weird |
| 07:41:43 | andersee | ? |
| 07:41:46 | jacques_ | see, this is why I got into the habit of doing make distclean in buildroot |
| 07:42:01 | jacques_ | it just did the mkfs step |
| 07:42:17 | jacques_ | shuld I \rm -rf busybox ? |
| 07:42:21 | andersee | nah |
| 07:42:49 | jacques_ | how do I get it to rebuild busybox then? |
| 07:43:27 | andersee | make -C busybox clean; make |
| 07:44:09 | jacques_ | i did that |
| 07:44:59 | jacques_ | it does not rebuild busybox |
| 07:45:23 | jacques_ | bserver% make -C busybox clean; make |
| 07:45:23 | jacques_ | make: Entering directory `/home/packages/tuxscreen/buildroot-tux/busybox' |
| 07:45:23 | jacques_ | (echo -n "APPLET_SOURCES := "; CC="gcc" BB_SRC_DIR="" /bin/sh busybox.sh Config.h) > applet_source_list |
| 07:45:23 | jacques_ | make: Leaving directory `/home/packages/tuxscreen/buildroot-tux/busybox' |
| 07:45:23 | jacques_ | make: Entering directory `/home/packages/tuxscreen/buildroot-tux/busybox' |
| 07:45:24 | jacques_ | cd tests && make clean |
| 07:45:26 | jacques_ | make[1]: Entering directory `/home/packages/tuxscreen/buildroot-tux/busybox/tests' |
| 07:45:28 | jacques_ | rm -rf cp_tests cp_*.{gnu,bb} cp |
| 07:45:30 | jacques_ | rm -rf ln_tests ln_*.{gnu,bb} ln |
| 07:45:32 | jacques_ | rm -rf mv_tests mv_*.{gnu,bb} mv |
| 07:45:34 | jacques_ | make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/packages/tuxscreen/buildroot-tux/busybox/tests' |
| 07:45:36 | jacques_ | rm -f docs/BusyBox.txt docs/BusyBox.1 docs/BusyBox.html \ |
| 07:45:38 | jacques_ | docs/busybox.lineo.com/BusyBox.html |
| 07:45:40 | jacques_ | rm -f docs/busybox.txt docs/busybox.dvi docs/busybox.ps \ |
| 07:45:42 | jacques_ | docs/busybox.pdf docs/busybox.lineo.com/busybox.html |
| 07:45:44 | jacques_ | rm -f multibuild.log Config.h.orig *.gdb *.elf |
| 07:45:46 | jacques_ | rm -rf docs/busybox _install libpwd.a libbb.a pod2htm* |
| 07:45:50 | jacques_ | rm -f busybox.links libbb/loop.h *~ slist.mk core applet_source_list |
| 07:45:52 | jacques_ | find -name \*.o -exec rm -f {} \; |
| 07:45:54 | jacques_ | make: Leaving directory `/home/packages/tuxscreen/buildroot-tux/busybox' |
| 07:45:56 | jacques_ | /home/packages/tuxscreen/buildroot-tux/mtd/util/mkfs.jffs2 --squash -e 0x20000 -d /home/packages/tuxscreen/buildroot-tux/root -D /home/packages/tuxscreen/buildroot-tux/sources/device_table.txt -o /home/packages/tuxscreen/buildroot-tux/tuxscreen-image.jffs2 |
| 07:46:17 | andersee | hmpf. Ok. rm -rf busybox then... |
| 07:47:15 | jacques_ | hmm, lots of errors about include files |
| 07:48:14 | jacques_ | make[1]: Entering directory `/home/packages/tuxscreen/buildroot-tux/busybox' |
| 07:48:14 | jacques_ | /home/packages/tuxscreen/buildroot-tux/staging_dir/usr/bin/arm-uclibc-gcc -pipe -Wall -Wshadow -Os -fstrict-aliasing -fomit-frame-pointer -D_GNU_SOURCE -DBB_VER='"0.60.3-pre"' -DBB_BT='"2002.02.20-07:48+0000"' -DUSE_SYSTEM_PWD_GRP -Ilibbb -DL_full_version -c libbb/messages.c -o libbb/full_version.o |
| 07:48:14 | jacques_ | In file included from libbb/libbb.h:23, |
| 07:48:14 | jacques_ | from libbb/messages.c:22: |
| 07:48:14 | jacques_ | /home/packages/tuxscreen/buildroot-tux/staging_dir/include/stdio.h:34: stddef.h: No such file or directory |
| 07:48:17 | jacques_ | In file included from /home/packages/tuxscreen/buildroot-tux/staging_dir/include/stdio.h:36, |
| 07:48:21 | jacques_ | from libbb/libbb.h:23, |
| 07:48:23 | jacques_ | from libbb/messages.c:22: |
| 07:48:25 | jacques_ | etc etc etc |
| 07:49:29 | andersee | Lets check the paths in the myspecs file... |
| 07:49:46 | andersee | Do you have -I/home/packages/tuxscreen/buildroot-tux/staging_dir/include |
| 07:49:48 | andersee | ? |
| 07:50:22 | andersee | Oh. Thats going to be the compiler include dir... |
| 07:50:41 | jacques_ | -I/home/packages/tuxscreen/buildroot-tux/staging_dir/include |
| 07:50:47 | jacques_ | I have that in a couple of places |
| 07:51:12 | andersee | And the other -I ? |
| 07:51:17 | andersee | What does that have? |
| 07:52:15 | andersee | It should be -I/usr/local/arm/lib/gcc-lib/arm-linux/2.95.4/include |
| 07:52:29 | andersee | So you should have: |
| 07:52:34 | andersee | -I/home/packages/tuxscreen/buildroot-tux/staging_dir/include -I/usr/local/arm/lib/gcc-lib/arm-linux/2.95.4/include |
| 07:53:03 | jacques_ | -I/home/packages/tuxscreen/buildroot-tux/staging_dir/include -I/usr/local/arm/lib/gcc-lib/arm-linux/2.95.4 |
| 07:53:26 | jacques_ | I dont have the /include at the end |
| 07:53:32 | jacques_ | should I add that everywhere? |
| 07:53:34 | andersee | Ahh, that would do it |
| 07:53:46 | jacques_ | should I add it to cpp and link ? |
| 07:53:46 | andersee | just for the -I entries |
| 07:54:06 | andersee | Not to link, that is a -L, not a -I... |
| 07:54:28 | jacques_ | sorry meant cpp and cc1 |
| 07:54:59 | jacques_ | ooh, much better |
| 07:55:45 | andersee | cool |
| 07:56:05 | andersee | So if it looks to be working, lets try X.... |
| 07:56:22 | jacques_ | yes it seems to have build busybox OK |
| 07:56:28 | andersee | excellent. |
| 07:56:33 | andersee | Lets just check, k? |
| 07:57:22 | andersee | readelf -a root/bin/busybox | grep interpreter |
| 07:57:22 | jacques_ | check what? |
| 07:57:26 | jacques_ | ah ok |
| 07:57:33 | andersee | readelf -a root/bin/busybox | grep NEEDED |
| 07:58:16 | jacques_ | neither grep found anything |
| 07:58:43 | andersee | file root/bin/busybox |
| 07:58:53 | jacques_ | bserver% file busybox |
| 07:58:53 | jacques_ | busybox: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Advanced RISC Machines ARM, version 1, statically linked, stripped |
| 07:59:15 | andersee | Ahh. I wonder why staticly linked... |
| 07:59:50 | andersee | I must have messed the link line a bit in the specs file |
| 08:00:29 | andersee | grep DOSTATIC busybox/Makefile |
| 08:02:06 | jacques_ | bserver% grep DOSTATIC busybox/Makefile |
| 08:02:07 | jacques_ | DOSTATIC = false |
| 08:02:07 | jacques_ | ifeq ($(strip $(DOSTATIC)),true) |
| 08:02:53 | andersee | Hmm. is ther a "link_command" in your myspecs file? |
| 08:04:37 | jacques_ | yes |
| 08:06:04 | jacques_ | do you want to see it? |
| 08:06:36 | andersee | pondering for a sec |
| 08:07:02 | andersee | Can you show me your current "link" line |
| 08:08:10 | jacques_ | *link: |
| 08:08:10 | jacques_ | -nostdlib -L/home/packages/tuxscreen/buildroot-tux/staging_dir/lib -L/usr/local/arm/lib/gcc-lib/arm-linux/2.95.4 %{h*} %{version:-v} %{b} %{Wl,*:%*} %{static:-Bstatic} %{shared:-shared} %{symbolic:-Bsymbolic} %{rdynamic:-export-dynamic} %{!dynamic-linker:-dynamic-linker /lib/ld-uClibc.so.0} -X %{mbig-endian:-EB} %{mapcs-26:-m armelf_linux26} %{!mapcs-26:-m armelf_linux} -p |
| 08:10:37 | andersee | looks ok to me |
| 08:12:01 | jacques_ | also, I am getting a strange error when trying to build X |
| 08:12:10 | andersee | oh? |
| 08:12:16 | jacques_ | when it tries to link the libXext.so lib |
| 08:12:39 | jacques_ | + /home/packages/tuxscreen/buildroot-tux/staging_dir/usr/bin/arm-uclibc-gcc -o ./libXext.so.6.4~ -shared -Wl,-soname,libXext.so.6 globals.o extutil.o XMultibuf.o XShape.o XShm.o MITMisc.o XTestExt1.o XSync.o Xdbe.o XLbx.o XSecurity.o XAppgroup.o Xcup.o DPMS.o XEVI.o -L../../exports/lib -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lX11 -lc |
| 08:12:39 | jacques_ | collect2: ld terminated with signal 11 [Segmentation fault] |
| 08:12:39 | jacques_ | /usr/local/arm/arm-linux/bin/ld: BFD 2.11.92.0.10 20011021 assertion fail ../../../binutils-2.11.92.0.10/bfd/elf32-arm.h:1146 |
| 08:12:49 | jacques_ | ld dumps core |
| 08:13:11 | jacques_ | but it successfully linkx libX11.so and some other stuff |
| 08:15:21 | andersee | what does /usr/local/arm/binutils-2.11.92.0.10/bfd/elf32-arm.h have at line 1146? |
| 08:16:45 | jacques_ | that dir does not exist and I'm not sure where it would be |
| 08:17:12 | jacques_ | probably in the source for binutils |
| 08:18:11 | andersee | what does /usr/local/binutils-2.11.92.0.10/bfd/elf32-arm.h? |
| 08:19:42 | jacques_ | BFD_ASSERT (sreloc != NULL); |
| 08:19:53 | jacques_ | that's in the binutils source |
| 08:21:11 | andersee | hmm |
| 08:21:41 | andersee | Seems I'm getting closer though... |
| 08:21:45 | andersee | ah well. |
| 08:21:51 | andersee | is getting sleepy |
| 08:22:11 | andersee | perhaps we can continue this after some sleep |
| 08:24:21 | jacques_ | sounds good to me |
| 08:24:45 | jacques_ | seems to have something to do with relocatable code |
| 10:13:34 | scanline | is back (gone 05:17:34) |
| 10:13:47 | scanline | returns from temporary unconsciousness |
| 13:04:05 | | fontenot_: excuse me? |
| 13:04:05 | fontenot_ | ibot: test |
| 13:26:03 | | no idea, fontenot |
| 13:26:03 | fontenot | ibot: test is <reply> Ex-squeeze me? |
| 13:26:16 | fontenot | sigh |
| 13:26:19 | fontenot | damn you ibot |
| 13:28:09 | fontenot | hi Russ |
| 14:29:18 | scanline | is away: pseudo-food-like-hopefully-nonpoisonous-substances |
| 14:52:07 | scanline | is back (gone 00:22:50) |
| 15:04:53 | scanline | hi prpplague |
| 15:05:34 | prpplague | howdy scanline |
| 15:23:00 | cpenguin_work | is back (gone 14:42:09) |
| 15:44:33 | prpplague | morning CosmicPenguin |
| 15:45:01 | prpplague | hows the pim > sqlite going? |
| 15:46:37 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: On hold currently... I may get back to it today |
| 15:46:52 | CosmicPenguin | Right now I'm trying to get Evolution configured correctly |
| 15:47:55 | Morn | hey |
| 15:48:19 | CosmicPenguin | Morn: Have you figured out how to change the fonts / font sizes in Evolution yet? |
| 15:48:31 | Morn | I haven't really needed to |
| 15:48:38 | Morn | I found the standard ones acceptable |
| 15:50:46 | prpplague | i've really got to find something to put on this ipaq |
| 15:51:56 | prpplague | anyone tried linuette? |
| 15:52:06 | CosmicPenguin | my message list in the mail is way too small |
| 15:52:26 | CosmicPenguin | and the bold isn't bold enough - i can't tell the difference between new and old messages |
| 15:55:25 | Morn | prpplague: I'm trying to get vls working so I can try vlc on the iPAQ |
| 15:55:45 | Morn | CosmicPenguin: hmm, don't really know, I think you have to set them somewhere in the gnome settings |
| 15:56:20 | prpplague | Morn: i think i'm going to go with familiar for now |
| 15:56:34 | Morn | I have familiar with opie on mine |
| 15:56:39 | prpplague | Morn: i need something stable pretty quick that supports fltk |
| 15:57:16 | prpplague | Morn: i've been talking to scanline about picogui, after i get this project done i might look into that |
| 15:57:31 | scanline | Has anybody tried to do a port of fltk directly on the framebuffer? |
| 15:58:46 | prpplague | scanline: there was some talk about it with regards to the yopy, but i never saw anything further done |
| 15:59:57 | CosmicPenguin | scanline: You would have to end up implementing alot of stuff - FLTK depends pretty heavily on the window manager concept |
| 16:01:40 | scanline | yeah.. i think the Gtk/Framebuffer port uses a lot of code from X to implement that |
| 16:01:53 | scanline | anyways, /me was just thinking out loud :) |
| 16:03:15 | prpplague | scanline: maybe a better solution would be have something that reads a fluid .fl file and creates an appropriate implementation of fb |
| 16:04:41 | prpplague | Morn: which version of familiar are you using .4 or .5.1 ? |
| 16:26:07 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hey, i loaded pixil on my ipaq, but now when i try to connect to the serial console all i get is garbage |
| 16:26:28 | CosmicPenguin | Different baud rate, perhaps? |
| 16:27:51 | prpplague | thats what i thought, but i've tried the full range |
| 16:28:12 | prpplague | is it suppose to operate at 8n1 or something else? |
| 16:29:36 | Morn | argh! |
| 16:29:42 | Morn | I hate cable companies |
| 16:33:30 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: 8n1, 115200 |
| 16:33:37 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: what kernel version? |
| 16:40:26 | prpplague | let me check |
| 16:41:04 | scanline | makes some coffee |
| 16:41:18 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: the pixil-dist doesn't say |
| 16:41:33 | prpplague | i think its the bootldr |
| 16:42:38 | prpplague | i wonder if it could be my hacked usb cradle? |
| 16:43:42 | prpplague | doh |
| 16:43:44 | prpplague | it was |
| 16:43:49 | prpplague | feels stupid |
| 16:57:59 | prpplague | mallum: howdy mallum |
| 16:58:09 | prpplague | mallum: hows life in the uk? |
| 16:58:12 | mallum | hi ya prpplague |
| 16:58:19 | mallum | prpplague: good good |
| 16:58:23 | prpplague | mallum: haven't seen ya around much |
| 16:58:36 | mallum | prpplague: no, been busy hacking |
| 16:58:54 | mallum | prpplague: wrote a new wm for handhelds and X |
| 16:59:08 | prpplague | mallum: do tell.... |
| 17:00:45 | scanline | listens too |
| 17:03:44 | prpplague | mallum: btw, you've got me brainwashed, everytime i see planet of the apes i think of your web page |
| 17:04:33 | mallum | prpplague: heh, my web page got hacked |
| 17:05:07 | mallum | prpplague: heres all my POTA stuff -> http://10.am/pics/wall_of_shit.jpg |
| 17:05:46 | scanline | Hmm, there's some Atari games in there |
| 17:06:08 | mallum | yep |
| 17:06:28 | mallum | and an atari pong |
| 17:06:36 | prpplague | mallum: now now, are you gimp challenged? you need to rotate that image |
| 17:06:52 | mallum | prpplague: yeah |
| 17:06:59 | prpplague | mallum: wow you have the dolls in the box |
| 17:07:41 | mallum | prpplague: yeah the 2 togeather at the top are worth a lot of money |
| 17:08:20 | mallum | prpplague: theres more too -> http://10.am/pics/shelf_of_more_shit.jpg |
| 17:18:47 | prpplague | mallum: is that an original ti calculator? |
| 17:19:20 | prpplague | mallum: so tell us about your new wm.... |
| 17:19:43 | mallum | prpplague: yeah I think so, I have the little sinclair one too which is rweal nice |
| 17:19:44 | scanline | ooh, a virtual boy! |
| 17:19:50 | scanline | mallum: put linux on the virtual boy >:) |
| 17:20:18 | mallum | prpplague: you have an ipaq ? |
| 17:20:33 | mallum | scanline: 3d linux |
| 17:20:54 | prpplague | mallum: ya got the company i work for got one for development testing |
| 17:20:56 | CosmicPenguin | the crowd starts chanting: screenshots, screenshots, screenshots |
| 17:21:06 | scanline | could write a 3D video driver for picogui on the Virtual Boy |
| 17:21:17 | mallum | theres some on handhelds but its down :( |
| 17:24:35 | mallum | theres some _old_ ones here -> http://10.am/pics/ipaq/ |
| 17:25:15 | prpplague | mallum: your avoid the wm issue....., i'm dying to here what ya got running!!!! |
| 17:25:45 | scanline | You know, picogui's been collecting ideas for a WM overhaul recently :) |
| 17:26:37 | mallum | scanline: yeah I saw on the mailing list |
| 17:27:20 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: I wanna maybe do a microwindows port |
| 17:30:03 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: I would be happy to help |
| 17:30:41 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: I assume all the buttons, etc are images? |
| 17:30:55 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: yeah xpms |
| 17:31:25 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: I probably will build in some support for line drawn ones |
| 17:31:42 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: actually, images are better... themeable... :) |
| 17:31:42 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: which reminds me , I need to look at libsvg |
| 17:31:59 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: yeah and less hassle |
| 17:32:03 | scanline | hands mallum a PicoGUI fillstyle interpreter |
| 17:33:02 | mallum | scanline: I need to rewrite all the themeing code in there, it could be a lot faster |
| 17:33:45 | scanline | I like picogui's theme system.. it's always supported vector graphics |
| 17:34:13 | mallum | scanline: cool |
| 17:34:36 | mallum | scanline: picogui does rock, I really have to play with it more |
| 17:34:51 | scanline | and inheritance.. and multiple themes loaded simultaneously.. and arbitrary properties/values stored in the themes.. arbitrary data loaded into memory inside the theme.. |
| 17:34:54 | scanline | :) |
| 17:35:34 | scanline | Maybe once i write the rootless x11 driver for pgserver it would be possible to make an X window manager that can load picogui themes |
| 17:35:54 | mallum | rootless x11 driver ? |
| 17:36:02 | scanline | yep :) |
| 17:36:20 | mallum | what like a picogui -> x11 proxy type of thing ? |
| 17:36:26 | scanline | it would load each picogui panel/toolbar/popup into an X window, so that picogui apps and X apps could coexist |
| 17:36:35 | scanline | nah, just a video driver for pgserver |
| 17:36:58 | mallum | scanline: have you seen http://www.xwinx.org/ |
| 17:37:13 | scanline | looks |
| 17:37:34 | scanline | o yea, i heard about this |
| 17:37:40 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: do have a tool, which wil attermpt to convert xlib code to nanox code |
| 17:37:58 | mallum | scanline: havn't tried it myself but it looks pretty cool |
| 17:38:41 | scanline | mallum: the main reason i want to have a rootless x11 driver (and rootless win32, rootless Quartz..) is so that users can run the exact same PIM software on their desktop and their PDA, which simplifies the user experience and the synchronization |
| 17:39:11 | scanline | With picogui's theme system and widget templates, the PIM could reorganize its display as necessary for different devices without changing any code |
| 17:39:53 | scanline | just likes to write code with weird designs :) |
| 17:40:01 | mallum | scanline: sounds really cool |
| 17:44:08 | ssoucek | is back (gone 12:55:13) |
| 17:44:19 | scanline | drools over antialiasing |
| 17:46:49 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: I might just have a tool that will emulate X11 directly on Nano-X |
| 18:00:50 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: really ? |
| 18:01:00 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: is it publically available ? |
| 18:01:20 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: matchbox should be easy to port cos it dont really use any funky x11 stuff |
| 18:01:37 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: Hopefully it will be soon |
| 18:03:14 | prpplague | Morn: hey are you around? |
| 18:04:19 | Morn | a little |
| 18:05:27 | prpplague | Morn: hey i'm trying to get a ppp connect using familiar on this ipaq, but i keep get lcp config timeouts, any idea what i'm doing wrong? |
| 18:06:23 | Morn | hmmm |
| 18:06:29 | Morn | I didn't have trouble with the ppp stuff |
| 18:06:50 | Morn | did you change any of the config files? |
| 18:07:02 | Morn | I recall having to edit the /etc/ppp/ config files a little |
| 18:07:16 | Morn | this last time I installed I just put the wireless card in and was off and running |
| 18:07:18 | prpplague | Morn: non on the ipaq, just created the ipaq file under /etc/ppp/peers on my hosts |
| 18:07:20 | Morn | no changes needed |
| 18:08:53 | Morn | your not still logged in to the shell on the ipaq are you? |
| 18:09:05 | Morn | you have to have a login: prompt before you try to start the ppp connection |
| 18:09:48 | prpplague | Morn: not the ppp session starts but never negotiates an ip and fails with "lcp-config request timed out" |
| 18:10:58 | prpplague | hmm, i bet its this intel mb |
| 18:11:00 | Morn | 192.168.0.1:192.168.0.5 |
| 18:11:15 | Morn | You have a line like that in the file under peers on the host? |
| 18:11:19 | prpplague | Morn: ya |
| 18:11:32 | Morn | I don't know then |
| 18:11:37 | Morn | can you email me your peers file? |
| 18:11:42 | Morn | just so I can look at it |
| 18:13:13 | prpplague | ya addr? |
| 18:13:20 | Morn | julie@MageNet.com |
| 18:15:47 | prpplague | Morn: on the way |
| 18:21:42 | Morn | sorry about that |
| 18:21:44 | Morn | the cable modem is having trouble today |
| 18:22:17 | zimmer62 | I don't have time to mess with my TuxScreen.... does anyone want to buy it for less than $99? |
| 18:28:52 | prpplague | Morn: i sent the peers file |
| 18:29:11 | Morn | ok |
| 18:30:18 | zimmer62 | It's just sitting around doing nothing becuase I don't have the time... someone make me an offer... |
| 18:31:55 | Morn | prpplague: my connect line is slight different |
| 18:32:03 | Morn | connect '/usr/sbin/chat -v -t3 ogin--ogin: ppp' |
| 18:32:57 | prpplague | Morn: ya i put a dup in there to make sure it gets a login before continuing |
| 18:33:32 | Morn | I can't remember what I modified on the ipaq in the ppp file |
| 18:33:38 | Morn | and I don't have the modified file any more |
| 18:33:51 | Morn | I know I had to add a line for it to get the default route |
| 18:36:06 | prpplague | ok found, the problem, looks like i needed to add lcp-max-config option |
| 18:36:26 | prpplague | i must have a noise serial line |
| 18:36:40 | prpplague | probably a cold solder joint on my hack job |
| 18:36:50 | prpplague | Morn: thanks |
| 18:37:05 | Morn | ah |
| 19:10:10 | OOps | is away: cenandor |
| 19:11:00 | equant | Can the tuxscreen work as a phone without booting? IE, can it just be used as a phone independant of linux? |
| 19:11:39 | Tangent | equant : Yes, but it won't tone dial... only pulse dialing works |
| 19:11:52 | equant | bizarre. |
| 19:12:01 | equant | thanks for the answer though. |
| 19:12:30 | Tangent | NP |
| 19:22:03 | OOps | is back (gone 00:11:53) |
| 19:51:34 | scanline | is away: class |
| 20:36:23 | prpplague | argh, handhelds.org being down is delaying my work |
| 20:53:01 | file | comforts prpplague |
| 20:56:23 | prpplague | file: thanks |
| 20:56:40 | file | offers prpplague a chicken nugget |
| 20:57:57 | prpplague | file: hmmmm, i love processed chicken parts |
| 20:58:47 | file | :) |
| 20:59:49 | CosmicPenguin | Silly boy - Chickens don't have nuggets |
| 21:00:39 | file | :p |
| 21:00:50 | file | installs a proprietary OS on CosmicPenguin's brain |
| 21:01:19 | CosmicPenguin | reboots |
| 21:01:48 | file | laughs as CosmicPenguin now runs VT-OS, the proprietary OS from VTech! |
| 21:03:24 | CosmicPenguin | A...p...a...r..r...e...n...t..y.......i..a..m.....r..u..n..n..i..n..g.....a..b..i..t.....s..l..o..w |
| 21:03:58 | file | VT-OS doesn't run that slow! |
| 21:04:05 | file | CosmicPenguin: want the source to it? |
| 21:04:07 | file | has a copy |
| 21:04:07 | Tangent | CosmicPenguin : Looks like you've got a dodgy '.' key too ;) |
| 21:04:16 | file | and the compiler. |
| 21:04:44 | file | for Windows... |
| 21:08:21 | CosmicPenguin | Apparently, Red Carpet seems to be running VT-OS too... :( |
| 21:08:23 | CosmicPenguin | slow! |
| 21:09:16 | file | CosmicPenguin: ? |
| 21:09:21 | CosmicPenguin | file: ? |
| 21:09:27 | file | what's red carpet? |
| 21:12:57 | CosmicPenguin | has to reboot |
| 21:12:59 | CosmicPenguin | Stupid Gnome |
| 21:18:05 | prpplague | argh, i'm still getting emails with "hi how are you..." |
| 21:19:05 | AeroSpace | people still think my web server will serve them up a cmd.exe, .exe who uses that extension anymore? |
| 21:19:44 | file | wb Monsieur CosmicPenguin |
| 21:20:02 | prpplague | AeroSpace: the same group of americans that can't even locate their own national capital on a map |
| 21:20:46 | AeroSpace | Which state was that in again? |
| 21:20:53 | AeroSpace | smiles |
| 21:22:42 | prpplague | lol |
| 21:30:01 | CosmicPenguin | We have a national capital? |
| 21:30:13 | CosmicPenguin | What, like A... thats a nice capital.. :) |
| 21:30:53 | CosmicPenguin | recommends to him self to shut up |
| 21:33:40 | equant | microwindows doesn't run x apps correct, apps have to be written for microwindows (or are they written for nano-x?)? |
| 21:37:01 | CosmicPenguin | Apps need to be written for Nano-X, thats correct |
| 22:02:33 | sjm | morning all |
| 22:06:08 | Morn | is away: watching Blackhawk Down |
| 22:11:29 | scanline | is back (gone 02:19:55) |
| 23:20:06 | Hiraghm | waves near sjm |
| 23:20:11 | Hiraghm | waves near Morn |
| 23:20:14 | | hi, Hiraghm |
| 23:20:14 | Hiraghm | ibot hi |
| 23:20:23 | Hiraghm | waves near BZFlag |
| 23:20:34 | Hiraghm | BZ, I'm installing BZFlag on my linux machine. |
| 23:22:06 | Russ|werk | apt-get install bzflag |
| 23:22:08 | Russ|werk | heh |
| 23:26:45 | sjm | hi hiraghm |
| 23:26:58 | Hiraghm | Hi! |
| 23:27:02 | Hiraghm | waves near Russ |
| 23:27:17 | Hiraghm | problem I had installing Mandrake last night was cause I wrote the 2nd CD wrong. |
| 23:27:26 | Hiraghm | So I'm re-installing it now |
| 23:27:27 | Hiraghm | nods |
| 23:27:51 | prpplague | Russ|werk: hey you said you designed a sa-1100 board right? |
| 23:28:11 | Hiraghm | waves near prpplague |
| 23:28:12 | Hiraghm | brb |
| 23:29:27 | Russ|werk | prpplague: right |
| 23:30:06 | scanline | is away: back to that wet room... only wet occasionally.. but kinda slippery... |
| 23:30:42 | Hiraghm | ack! my eyes! my eyes! |
| 23:31:05 | prpplague | Russ|werk: what kinda of EE experience did you have when you embarked on designing that board? |
| 23:31:30 | Hiraghm | say again? |
| 23:31:49 | Hiraghm | I was blinded. I upgraded ViRC and it reversed my colors. |
| 23:31:52 | Russ|werk | prpplague: not nearly enough, but I knew quite a bit about digital logic, gate delays, etc |
| 23:32:38 | prpplague | Russ|werk: hmm, i'd really like to build a board for the educational benefits, but i'm not sure i'm upto it yet |
| 23:32:44 | Hiraghm | hm. |
| 23:33:07 | Russ|werk | prpplague: what have you done in the past? |
| 23:34:51 | prpplague | frowns |
| 23:34:58 | prpplague | only a 386 board |
| 23:35:04 | prpplague | and a stpc client board |
| 23:35:43 | Russ|werk | designed? |
| 23:36:09 | prpplague | i used a bunch of reference design to build it |
| 23:36:44 | prpplague | http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS8485254374.html |
| 23:37:28 | Hiraghm | doesn't frown |
| 23:39:14 | Russ|werk | prpplague: sa1100 is *very* simple as far as designs go |
| 23:43:29 | prpplague | Russ|werk: hmm, it seems more complicated to me, the x86 designs are so well documented that a newbie like me can jump right in |
| 23:43:33 | Hiraghm | hm |
| 23:44:15 | Hiraghm | what kind of board? |
| 23:45:53 | Hiraghm | looks around the room, trying to decide what to do next while waiting for the install to finish |
| 23:51:24 | AlHazWork | some of the system-on-chip ia32 designs are about in the same league of "dead simple" as sa1100, dunno if you quite get the same bang for your buck tho |
| 23:51:45 | prpplague | Hiraghm: i'm looking to build something that i can learn with |
| 23:51:51 | Hiraghm | waves near AlHaz |
| 23:52:06 | Hiraghm | prp, learn what? |
| 23:52:29 | prpplague | AlHazWork: i was considering playing with the new sharp arm core |
| 23:52:39 | prpplague | Hiraghm: learn the arch of arm |
| 23:53:09 | AlHazWork | prpplague: A few of those are floating around here |
| 23:53:40 | AlHazWork | prpplague: axis has some interesting designs too, but they seem to be bent toward what axis wants to do with them |
| 23:53:46 | AlHazWork | arm cores with integrated scsi, that sort of thing |
| 23:55:10 | prpplague | AlHazWork: ya the new sharp arm core seems be very easy to integrate, the ram and flash is pretty much pin to pin connections |
