| 00:02:07 | andersee | DemonMooseX: yup, I'm here |
| 00:02:27 | andersee | DemonMooseX: I know about boot floppies and busybox |
| 00:05:32 | DemonMooseX | andersee: i should hope :) |
| 00:05:42 | DemonMooseX | andersee: any clue about the init error? |
| 00:08:34 | DemonMooseX | i'm off for food - please just talk if you know how to fix it |
| 00:11:29 | andersee | DemonMooseX: Lets have you run some checks of the filesystem |
| 00:12:15 | andersee | DemonMooseX: How are you building the filesystem? |
| 00:12:43 | andersee | DemonMooseX: With buildroot or the busybox floppy making script, or something else? |
| 00:49:32 | DemonMooseX | andersee: i used the instructions in busybox-xxx/bootfloppy/bootfloppy.txt |
| 01:00:56 | andersee | k. They creates an ext2 filesystem if I recall? |
| 01:00:59 | DemonMooseX | yes |
| 01:01:19 | andersee | What you need to do is unzip and loop-mount that filesystem so we can take a look |
| 01:01:27 | andersee | It is clearly missing something |
| 01:01:35 | DemonMooseX | i'm rebuilding it right now |
| 01:02:00 | andersee | You need to check the contents of /lib, /bin, and /dev for starters |
| 01:03:41 | DemonMooseX | here - i'm rebuilding it - how do i use the busybox floppy making script? |
| 01:09:40 | DemonMooseX | nevermind i think i figured it out |
| 01:11:10 | DemonMooseX | so... |
| 01:11:28 | DemonMooseX | i ran the script |
| 01:11:34 | DemonMooseX | and it installed busybox into the rootfs |
| 01:11:58 | DemonMooseX | i assume i want to do cp -a uClibc/lib/*.so loop/lib? |
| 01:14:22 | digitalEric | hi, can I ask some dumb newbie questions? |
| 01:16:36 | sjm | digitalEric: sure |
| 01:17:58 | digitalEric | I love hacking in small, slow systems, so I thought a tuxScreen would be nifty to get |
| 01:18:27 | digitalEric | but it seems like most of the work (in terms of kernel and drivers) has been done. it that correct? |
| 01:18:33 | sjm | digitalEric: Well you're out of luck then, 'cos the TuxScreen is not slow :) |
| 01:18:40 | digitalEric | lol |
| 01:19:07 | digitalEric | by "slow", I mean "something where it matters if you write good code" |
| 01:19:39 | digitalEric | my x86 boxes are just too fast these days, even crappy code runs fast |
| 01:20:35 | sjm | digitalEric: A number of people have made major contributions to the kernel and drivers, and overall, things are pretty stable. |
| 01:21:25 | digitalEric | cool |
| 01:21:32 | Hiraghm | waves near digitalEric |
| 01:21:42 | Hiraghm | waves near jeffrey_ |
| 01:21:51 | sjm | digitalEric: People are working on different GUIs and drivers for specific hardware, but you're right - a lot has already been done. |
| 01:22:16 | Hiraghm | yeah |
| 01:22:20 | Hiraghm | nods near sjm |
| 01:22:22 | digitalEric | wow - somehow I was under the impression that GUI-land would be way in the future |
| 01:22:47 | Hiraghm | shakes his head near digitialEric |
| 01:23:10 | sjm | digitalEric - Nah... MicroWindows is very stable, PicoGUI works... |
| 01:23:13 | Hiraghm | nope. Soon's I get Mandrake on my notebook, I'm gonna be workin on some graphical type stuff kinda (games) |
| 01:23:24 | digitalEric | lol |
| 01:23:41 | | I haven't seen 'my', sjm |
| 01:23:41 | sjm | Hiraghm: Seen my chess game on the tuxscreen? |
| 01:23:42 | | no idea, hiraghm |
| 01:23:42 | Hiraghm | ibot microgui? |
| 01:23:44 | digitalEric | I have a mini-tetris that is the first thing I port to every new platform I try |
| 01:23:46 | Hiraghm | what??? |
| 01:23:55 | Hiraghm | sjm, yeah, just looked at the wiki page. nifty |
| 01:24:19 | | somebody said nanogui was the old name for microwindows |
| 01:24:19 | Hiraghm | ibot nanogui? |
| 01:24:25 | | microwindows is at http://microwindows.org/ |
| 01:24:25 | Hiraghm | ibot microwindows? |
| 01:24:28 | Hiraghm | t'anks |
| 01:24:47 | Hiraghm | sjm, did you write that from scratch or port it? |
| 01:25:05 | sjm | Hiraghm: I wrote the GUI frontend for a text-based engine I had |
| 01:25:46 | Hiraghm | ah |
| 01:26:39 | digitalEric | is there a connection (DAC/ADC) between the telephone line and the cpu ? |
| 01:26:54 | sjm | Hiraghm: I wanted to do something simple in MicroWindows, plus I needed some justification for buying a tux :) |
| 01:27:26 | sjm | digitalEric: There's a complete DSP unit with codec |
| 01:28:09 | digitalEric | cool |
| 01:28:15 | digitalEric | so the connection is something like |
| 01:28:27 | digitalEric | (telephone service) <--> DSP <--> cpu |
| 01:28:28 | digitalEric | ? |
| 01:28:38 | sjm | yep |
| 01:29:15 | digitalEric | slick |
| 01:29:31 | digitalEric | (although DSP programming scares me ;) |
| 01:29:41 | digitalEric | I think I'll have to buy one of these :) |
| 01:29:42 | Hiraghm | me too |
| 01:29:49 | Hiraghm | nods fearfully |
| 01:30:02 | Hiraghm | last disk is burning. |
| 01:30:03 | sjm | digitalEric - You can't *program* the DSP. It's code is in ROM. All you can do is stuff bits into registers. |
| 01:30:12 | Hiraghm | and call rom routines |
| 01:30:59 | digitalEric | ahhh |
| 01:31:28 | Hiraghm | sjm, your chess game screenshots should be on the microwinders page |
| 01:31:58 | sjm | Hiraghm: on tuxscreen.net you mean? |
| 01:32:00 | digitalEric | I'm guessing there's no documentation on the ROM routines, though |
| 01:32:04 | digitalEric | ? |
| 01:32:54 | sjm | digitalEric: Not sure, but people have the dsp/phone working under linux, so someone knows how it works :) |
| 01:33:01 | AeroSpace | someone was recording to and from the handset earlier, digitalEric: aren't you just wanting to read/write raw audio |
| 01:33:20 | digitalEric | that would be a great start |
| 01:33:55 | digitalEric | although it would be really nifty if it could do something like ADPCM for VOIP on a 56k connection |
| 01:34:10 | digitalEric | I guess that could be done on the main cpu though |
| 01:34:14 | DemonMooseX | andersee: i rebuilt the floppy and it gets the same error |
| 01:34:19 | sjm | digitalEric: VoIP works with a small hardware mod. |
| 01:35:01 | digitalEric | cool |
| 01:35:15 | digitalEric | I'm definitely getting one then |
| 01:35:18 | AeroSpace | digitalEric: That has been decided that you can't do (with the hardware modification) because you can't talk/listen to the headset at the same time as the dsp or anything is on the built in modem line. |
| 01:35:58 | Hiraghm | sjm, on microwindows.org |
| 01:36:03 | digitalEric | what about the serial port <--> external modem ? |
| 01:36:18 | sjm | Hiraghm: Well that's greg's decision. |
| 01:37:04 | Hiraghm | okay |
| 01:37:10 | Hiraghm | let's that be greg's decision. |
| 01:37:13 | AeroSpace | digitalEric: or a pcmcia modem, whichever |
| 01:37:45 | digitalEric | ok |
| 01:38:37 | as_ | Evnin all. |
| 01:39:25 | sjm | as_ hi |
| 01:39:28 | Hiraghm | sighs |
| 01:39:32 | Hiraghm | waves near as_ |
| 01:39:52 | DemonMooseX | andersee: come back! |
| 01:39:56 | file | waves near Hiraghm |
| 01:40:01 | Hiraghm | waves near file |
| 01:40:10 | Hiraghm | I just wasted 3 hours and 3 CDs 8c( |
| 01:40:58 | file | MUAHAHAHAHAHA |
| 01:41:22 | DemonMooseX | andersee: i don't suppose devfs works with it because that might be my issue |
| 01:41:28 | as_ | waves. |
| 01:41:30 | DemonMooseX | it looked like it should |
| 01:55:14 | DemonMooseX | ok now i'm just confused |
| 01:57:02 | DemonMooseX | andersee: everything seems to be in order |
| 01:57:09 | DemonMooseX | but it continues to get the init error |
| 02:07:30 | Hiraghm | yeah |
| 02:07:41 | Hiraghm | peers around the room |
| 02:08:04 | DemonMooseX | boggles. |
| 02:08:09 | Hiraghm | let's just hope I did it right this time, shall we? |
| 02:09:11 | file | me'sa soon must go |
| 02:09:38 | Hiraghm | comforts file |
| 02:09:47 | file | I have school tomorrow, pray for me |
| 02:09:51 | file | but march break is coming... |
| 02:09:52 | Hiraghm | prays for file |
| 02:10:16 | DemonMooseX | had school today. |
| 02:10:29 | file | had school today too. |
| 02:10:38 | file | same thing everyday |
| 02:13:40 | andersee | DemonMooseX: k, I'm back for a sec |
| 02:13:45 | andersee | DemonMooseX: was eating dinner |
| 02:14:31 | andersee | DemonMooseX: do an ls -laR on the contents of the ext2 filesystem and email me the result.... |
| 02:16:57 | file | come on file... download |
| 02:19:40 | DemonMooseX | andersee: whats your address? |
| 02:20:05 | Hiraghm | waves near andersee |
| 02:20:07 | Hiraghm | waves near Morn |
| 02:20:34 | Morn | hey |
| 02:20:38 | Morn | how is Mandrake working? |
| 02:22:20 | andersee | DemonMooseX: andersen at codepoet dot org |
| 02:22:26 | andersee | howdy Hiraghm |
| 02:22:55 | DemonMooseX | andersee: ok i sent it |
| 02:24:04 | Hiraghm | waves his hand in the air |
| 02:24:19 | Hiraghm | does anyone know of a program to print syntax-highlighted sourcecode to a printer? |
| 02:24:36 | Hiraghm | Morn, busy burning the install CDs. |
| 02:24:50 | Morn | ah, I thought that was done :-) |
| 02:24:55 | Hiraghm | I spent 3 hours burning them earlier, thinking I was making the image when I was just copying the file <doh> |
| 02:25:06 | Hiraghm | nah, I was downloading them the other night |
| 02:25:10 | file | I best be gone |
| 02:25:10 | Morn | Hiraghm: there are a few... |
| 02:25:36 | Hiraghm | Morn, need one. Would like to output to an old Panasonic color dot matrix if plausible |
| 02:25:38 | Morn | I need to run for a bit |
| 02:25:42 | Hiraghm | sigh |
| 02:25:45 | Hiraghm | sighs too |
| 02:25:49 | andersee | DemonMooseX: gotta run for a while. I'll answer your email. Mind also emailing me the compressed ext2 fs? |
| 02:25:53 | Hiraghm | waves near Morn |
| 02:25:55 | Hiraghm | bye bye |
| 02:26:08 | DemonMooseX | andersee: yeah - i'd like to get this working asap |
| 02:26:37 | DemonMooseX | andersee: when will you be returning? |
| 02:26:50 | Hiraghm | does anyone know of a program to print syntax-highlighted sourcecode to a printer? |
| 02:28:09 | andersee | DemonMooseX: in an hour or so. My kids need some attention |
| 02:28:16 | andersee | Hiraghm: checked freshmeat? |
| 03:42:46 | spd_racer911 | andersee: hi |
| 03:55:00 | andersee | spd_racer911: hi |
| 03:57:29 | spd_racer911 | andersee: I was built viewml using glibc since I thought I remembered there was something wrong with uClibc and how viewml resolves domain names...could you refresh my memory on this? |
| 03:57:51 | spd_racer911 | andersee: (I built viewml...) (grammer) |
| 04:12:47 | andersee | bugger all, i dunno, spd_racer911 |
| 04:14:03 | spd_racer911 | andersee: well, I built viewml using glibc and was bummed when it has the same issue as before...surfing using domain names does not work :( |
| 04:22:52 | DemonMooseX | andersee: come up with an answer? |
| 04:43:44 | DemonMooseX | andersee: where did you go? =( |
| 04:45:37 | spd_racer911 | (to watch the olympics ? ) |
| 04:45:50 | DemonMooseX | cries about not having a TV |
| 04:49:10 | bhima | bah. |
| 04:49:12 | bhima | tvs are silly. |
| 05:13:00 | andersee | DemonMooseX: k, I'm back |
| 05:20:23 | andersee | DemonMooseX: found your problem... |
| 05:20:27 | andersee | [andersen@dillweed tmp]$ ll /mnt/lib/libc.* |
| 05:20:27 | andersee | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 18 Feb 18 19:02 /mnt/lib/libc.so -> libuClibc-0.9.5.so |
| 05:20:27 | andersee | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 18 Feb 18 19:02 /mnt/lib/libc.so.0 -> libuClibc-0.9.5.so |
| 05:20:27 | andersee | [andersen@dillweed tmp]$ /usr/i386-linux-uclibc/bin/ldd /mnt/bin/busybox |
| 05:20:27 | andersee | libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 |
| 05:20:29 | andersee | /lib/ld-linux.so.2 => /lib/ld-linux.so.2 |
| 05:20:55 | andersee | busybox is linked vs glibc, but you have only uClibc installed. |
| 05:21:29 | andersee | Either compile busybox vs uClibc, or install glibc on your target |
| 05:24:16 | DemonMooseX | how do i compile busybox vs uClibc? |
| 05:28:46 | andersee | DemonMooseX: edit the busybox Makefile -- it tells you what to do |
| 05:29:05 | DemonMooseX | thanks |
| 05:42:24 | DemonMooseX | ok, i built busybox against uClibc (i think) |
| 05:42:28 | DemonMooseX | it gets the same error |
| 05:43:57 | DemonMooseX | nevermind still built against glibc |
| 05:48:44 | DemonMooseX | ok i think its linked correctly now but i still get the init error |
| 05:50:13 | DemonMooseX | you there? |
| 06:01:17 | sjm | DemonMooseX: replace init with hello world linked to uClibc and check if that works, if it doesn't you have a library problem. If it does, you have a busybox problem. |
| 06:02:13 | DemonMooseX | erm...is there an easier way to check? |
| 06:03:13 | sjm | DemonMooseX: Something easier than a one line program? |
| 06:03:25 | DemonMooseX | how exactly do i link it against uClibc? |
| 06:04:32 | DemonMooseX | just compile it with the uClibc gcc? |
| 06:04:48 | sjm | DemonMooseX: specify -L/pathtolib -llibname |
| 06:07:20 | DemonMooseX | i get the same message |
| 06:07:33 | DemonMooseX | i'm not sure if its linked correctly |
| 06:07:58 | DemonMooseX | when i ldd busybox (or the new helloworld program) it just runs it - is this correct? |
| 06:08:15 | sjm | Huh? it executes the binary? |
| 06:08:21 | DemonMooseX | apparently |
| 06:08:33 | DemonMooseX | this is compiled with the uClibc gcc |
| 06:09:27 | sjm | DemonMooseX: 'which ldd' |
| 06:10:42 | DemonMooseX | /usr/bin/ldd |
| 06:11:11 | sjm | DemonMooseX: Do you have a /usr/i386-linux-uclibc/usr/bin/i386-uclibc-ldd ? |
| 06:11:29 | sjm | Or something similar - I think that may be fairly old... |
| 06:11:50 | DemonMooseX | yes |
| 06:11:56 | sjm | try that :) |
| 06:12:15 | DemonMooseX | oh joy |
| 06:12:25 | DemonMooseX | libc.so.0 => /usr/i386-linux-uclibc/lib/libc.so.0 |
| 06:12:25 | DemonMooseX | /usr/i386-linux-uclibc/lib/ld-uClibc.so.0 => /usr/i386-linux-uclibc/lib/ld-uClibc.so.0 |
| 06:13:07 | DemonMooseX | how do i fix this situation? |
| 06:13:15 | sjm | Ahh... Okay... A quick hack is in order :) Create that path in your filesystem and copy the library there. |
| 06:13:32 | DemonMooseX | yeah thats what i just thought |
| 06:16:15 | DemonMooseX | yay! |
| 06:23:55 | DemonMooseX | VEEECTORY! |
| 06:24:54 | sjm | DemonMooseX: cool :) |
| 06:27:10 | sjm | Well time to head home, night all |
| 06:44:33 | bhima | time for more caffeine, I think. |
| 06:44:39 | bhima | my local supplier closes in 14 minutes. |
| 07:05:38 | scanline | is back (gone 11:47:35) |
| 07:22:22 | bhima | re. |
| 08:07:16 | jacques | yo |
| 08:10:24 | bhima | hello. |
| 08:13:12 | andersee | hey |
| 08:17:24 | Tangent | hi |
| 08:19:18 | andersee | Hey dol! merry dol! ring a dong dillo! |
| 08:20:19 | Tangent | wonders what to hack on today... Tux, Psion or iPAQ |
| 08:20:46 | andersee | uClibc? ;-) |
| 08:21:22 | Tangent | Hrm... doesn't sound like fun to me :( |
| 08:22:03 | Tangent | I might have to go our and buy some more CF cards... |
| 08:23:11 | andersee | was a joke. |
| 08:23:22 | andersee | is hacking libpthread |
| 08:23:50 | Tangent | andersee : What're you changing in pthread? |
| 08:25:15 | andersee | uClibc thus far has not had such a beast |
| 08:25:54 | Tangent | Aha... |
| 08:26:10 | andersee | $ wc -c lib/libpthread.so* |
| 08:26:10 | andersee | 66168 lib/libpthread.so |
| 08:26:10 | andersee | 66168 lib/libpthread.so.0.9.9 |
| 08:27:21 | Tangent | Erm... cool (I guess not knowing how big the normal pthread is) |
| 08:27:53 | andersee | $ ls -l lib/libpthread-0.9.9.so /lib/libpthread-0.9.so |
| 08:27:54 | andersee | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 105498 Feb 4 00:03 /lib/libpthread-0.9.so |
| 08:27:54 | andersee | -rw-r--r-- 1 andersen andersen 66168 Feb 19 01:27 lib/libpthread-0.9.9.so |
| 08:28:16 | Tangent | OK... so half the size... that's good :) |
| 08:29:18 | bhima | ipaq. |
| 08:29:26 | bhima | hack on the ipaq :) |
| 08:29:32 | andersee | would be better if it worked properly though. ;-) |
| 08:29:53 | Tangent | bhima : Ok... at least I have some idea what I need to do with intimate |
| 08:31:22 | bhima | needs to play with his tuxscreens more. |
| 08:31:30 | bhima | just about to run my map code on them, actually. |
| 08:31:36 | bhima | finishing up better data conversion stuff. |
| 08:31:50 | bhima | I might actually finish a project. wow. |
| 08:31:56 | bhima | never finishes projects. |
| 08:32:12 | Tangent | bhima : heh.. I should be runnign my homeautomation code on my Tuxes... but that needs me to have a CF card to put the code on |
| 08:32:34 | bhima | I had a web accessible x10 control system for myh lights. |
| 08:32:41 | bhima | it really amused my friends. |
| 08:33:09 | Tangent | bhima : http://ipaq.secret.org.uk/python/haapp.jpg |
| 08:33:10 | bhima | 6000 miles was the distance record for my living room light :) |
| 08:33:33 | bhima | of course, that doesn't beat teh guy I met over new years. he got the first coke machine on a network in the 1970s. |
| 08:34:07 | Tangent | bhima : I remember a coke machine on the net at MIT... don't know if it was the first though |
| 08:34:41 | Tangent | Always considered it essential that I knew the temperature of so cans of coke 6000 miles away |
| 08:34:48 | Tangent | s/so/some |
| 08:34:52 | bhima | AFAIK this one was the first. it predated such useful stuff as the DNS system :) |
| 08:34:59 | bhima | and that screen shot is sick :) |
| 08:35:10 | bhima | my air conditioners now have IR remotes. |
| 08:35:26 | bhima | so I'm planning to have them be fully controllable. |
| 08:35:38 | Tangent | bhima : My app is a dev environment for itself... Kind of like a text editor with built in event queue and scheduler |
| 08:37:09 | Tangent | Sooner or later, I need to remove it's dependency on having X there.... |
| 08:37:18 | Tangent | I want to have multiple guis on multiple machines |
| 08:38:42 | bhima | mmm. I would like to do more work in cocoa, but I have the same issues. |
| 08:38:53 | bhima | don't want every computer to need to run macos X, cause most fo them can't. |
| 08:39:26 | bhima | I'm thinking of actually setting up a very large number of virtual screen drivers. |
| 08:39:42 | Tangent | My problem is one of software architecture... I haven't worked out exactly what I'm trying to achieve... |
| 08:39:44 | bhima | so you can have as many monitors as you want. you can't have keyboards, but you can have remote screens with apps on them. |
| 08:39:50 | Tangent | my ideas keep changing as I write the code |
| 08:40:27 | Tangent | I want to be able to use 2 line LCDs as a GUI when required... then I can make modified light switches with built in screens |
| 08:41:42 | Tangent | I can't work out how to seperate the guis from the actual code... well.. not in any kind of clean or efficient manner anyhow... |
| 08:42:17 | bhima | XML! |
| 08:42:21 | Tangent | I guess I should work out how to use network sockets in python |
| 08:42:39 | Tangent | I'm already using XML for the gui... it's all done with glade. |
| 08:44:16 | Tangent | no.. my problem is more one of working out what goes where in the architecture of the app... I know one bit... one box talks to my custom hardware via a serial port, and queues up events etc... My problem comes in when I start dealing with the events... |
| 08:44:35 | bhima | with my car project, one of the things I'm thinking of doing is working to separate the control and the display sections of the system. |
| 08:44:42 | Tangent | actually, my problem is really just laziness |
| 08:45:10 | bhima | that's to say, for example, when I adjust my ham radio, and I'm on a display of transmitter locations, it will be able to update that display with info about the frequency I am on. |
| 08:45:45 | bhima | I'd like fairly arbitrary links between input and display. |
| 08:46:00 | bhima | speech is the ultimate goal for it though. |
| 08:46:19 | bhima | my problems is that I am frequently distracted and not productive enough. |
| 08:46:48 | Tangent | bhima : Sounds like my problem is very similar... |
| 08:47:09 | Tangent | bhima : What language are you coding in? |
| 08:48:08 | bhima | C and python. |
| 08:48:20 | Tangent | bhima : I'm using python here... |
| 08:48:24 | bhima | data intensive stuff in C, UI in python. |
| 08:49:32 | Tangent | Nice... I'm still doing everything in python because I'm scared of C |
| 08:50:37 | bhima | my GIS server is in C. in factg, if you knew my hostname and the right port, you could telnet in and get the raw data for a full map of allegheny county right now :) |
| 08:51:30 | bhima | I could trivially do the same for any part of the country. though I can't link multiple data sets together right now. |
| 08:51:48 | Tangent | Cool :) |
| 08:56:01 | bhima | oops. missed something. but I think it works now. I can trace intersections. |
| 08:59:15 | bhima | there we go. yeah. I can manually track roads now. now to update my python code... |
| 09:07:07 | andersee | I swear I get more of those stupid Nigeria scam emails... |
| 09:07:44 | andersee | You know the "I have $50 million hidden in some bank and want you to export it" things. |
| 09:16:18 | bhima | did you read about that guy who replied and convinced the scammer that he was visiting nigeria? |
| 09:16:59 | bhima | he actually made the guy think that he had really gone to nigeria to meet him among other things. |
| 09:17:13 | andersee | hehe |
| 09:17:45 | bhima | he got him to do something like run around a particular park flapping his arms like a chicken. |
| 09:18:11 | bhima | he got voicemails from the guy, the guy really seemed to be falling for his reverse scam. |
| 09:18:57 | bhima | you would have thought that soembody who was working so hard to trap gullible peole would realize himself that you can't always trust people, but apparently not. |
| 09:23:55 | andersee | hehe |
| 11:22:57 | Sammy | bye |
| 15:21:55 | prpplague | morning all |
| 16:08:55 | prpplague | morn Morn |
| 16:09:02 | prpplague | Morn: human today? |
| 16:18:47 | Morn | no |
| 16:44:59 | Morn | sorry |
| 16:45:28 | Morn | I almost just told a tech support person on the phone to "Take a deep breath, hold your nose tight, and blow your head out your ass!" |
| 16:47:29 | CosmicPenguin | lol |
| 16:59:09 | signal11 | heh, i'll have to write that one down |
| 17:00:35 | CosmicPenguin | uhoh... |
| 17:00:51 | CosmicPenguin | CosmicPenguin: Could you please convert my e-mail account to IMAP |
| 17:01:03 | CosmicPenguin | signal11: Take a deep breath, hold your nose tight and blow your head out your ass |
| 17:01:09 | CosmicPenguin | :) |
| 17:03:22 | prpplague | lol |
| 17:05:48 | prpplague | argh, i'm going to have to install DOS on a box to use this eprom burner |
| 17:06:50 | AlHazWork | harsh |
| 17:07:24 | prpplague | AlHazWork: hmm, wonder if it'll run under dr-dos or freedos |
| 17:08:43 | AlHazWork | prolly |
| 17:09:22 | prpplague | wonders if you can still buy dr-dos from caldera |
| 17:10:37 | CosmicPenguin | At this point, I'd bet that Caldera would sell you the shirt of of their back if it meant revenue... |
| 17:11:17 | prpplague | imagines |
| 17:11:42 | prpplague | "hello mr.love, i sure love that tie, i'll give you $2.50 for it..." |
| 17:11:55 | AlHazWork | CosmicPenguin: but then they'd delegate the shirt-off-taking to germany, who would send you an ill-fitting vest |
| 17:12:06 | prpplague | AlHazWork: ha |
| 17:12:26 | AlHazWork | Anyway, no |
| 17:12:32 | AlHazWork | but you can still buy DR-DOS from Lineo |
| 17:12:45 | prpplague | ohh thats right, they split didn't they |
| 17:12:47 | AlHazWork | lots of people do, it's a constant trickle of revenue |
| 17:13:34 | prpplague | isn't there a provision if you buy caldera's open linux you get a copy of dr-dos to run under dosemu? |
| 17:15:32 | AlHazWork | Yeah, I think so |
| 17:17:15 | signal11 | freedos works pretty well too |
| 17:17:23 | signal11 | in my very limited experience |
| 17:17:45 | AlHazWork | I only tried freedos once, it was unfit for my use |
| 17:18:02 | AlHazWork | and bore a warning that it was likely to corrupt beyond recognition any drive over 206 megs |
| 17:18:59 | AlHazWork | I'm sure it's useful for some people . . . I don't even recall what i was doing with it, but it didn't do what i needed it to do |
| 17:20:35 | prpplague | i've bought a doa librette off ebay, going to see about putting my tuxscreen inside |
| 17:20:55 | AlHazWork | what's that? |
| 17:21:51 | ctr | libretto? |
| 17:22:13 | prpplague | http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2002906420 |
| 17:22:20 | prpplague | a supper small laptop |
| 17:22:27 | Morn | returns. |
| 17:22:42 | prpplague | a little smaller than a sony vaio picturebook |
| 17:22:53 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: you around? |
| 17:23:01 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: I'm here |
| 17:23:20 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: I just got libpthread working. :-) |
| 17:23:46 | prpplague | andersee: wahoo! |
| 17:23:46 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: awesome... |
| 17:25:01 | AlHazWork | Ah, I kmnow librettos |
| 17:25:07 | andersee | I think I go get some sleep, do a few little cleanups, then check the thing into CVS... |
| 17:25:40 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: So everything is working then? C++, pthreads, cure for world hunger, etc... |
| 17:26:18 | ctr | damn |
| 17:26:22 | ctr | i need a cf flash card |
| 17:26:31 | ctr | what readers can I use under linux? |
| 17:26:36 | ctr | readers/writers |
| 17:26:38 | CosmicPenguin | calls GNU and tells them to shutdown glibc - We've got something better now.. :) |
| 17:26:45 | CosmicPenguin | ctr: CF is ide |
| 17:26:50 | AlHazWork | ctr: the pcmcia adapters are pretty much universally supported |
| 17:26:58 | ctr | for a desktop machine |
| 17:27:01 | CosmicPenguin | if ($cf eq "Compact Flash") |
| 17:27:02 | AlHazWork | ctr: if you need like a usb reader, er, most of 'em will read 'em |
| 17:27:02 | ctr | i dont have a laptop |
| 17:27:10 | AlHazWork | ctr: and many of them will write to them |
| 17:27:14 | AlHazWork | under linux i mea |
| 17:27:18 | ctr | AlHazWork: do usb cf card readers work under linux? |
| 17:27:29 | AlHazWork | ctr: Yeah |
| 17:27:30 | CosmicPenguin | ctr: yes |
| 17:27:36 | ctr | ok |
| 17:27:39 | CosmicPenguin | ctr: They are SCSI based |
| 17:27:39 | AlHazWork | the SanDisk ones work for sure |
| 17:28:04 | AlHazWork | yeah, they show up as a scsi drive |
| 17:28:07 | ctr | i will order one then |
| 17:28:13 | prpplague | ctr: i'd recomend getting a pcmcia bay for your pc, if your doing dev work, it makes things very easy |
| 17:28:31 | prpplague | ctr: that way you can use pcmcia cards and cf stuff |
| 17:28:31 | AlHazWork | just don't get an actiontec 750 pci pcmcia bay. |
| 17:28:34 | ctr | prpplague: well i have a psion5mx that i am playing with |
| 17:28:34 | AlHazWork | I've never seen one work |
| 17:28:38 | AlHazWork | under any OS |
| 17:28:48 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: Still need to audit everything for reentrancy. The initial i18n support code (new stdio core) should also be going in today or tomorrow |
| 17:28:56 | ctr | i only need the cf reader for that |
| 17:28:59 | prpplague | AlHazWork: ya i've had problems with some of the actiontec stuff |
| 17:29:11 | AlHazWork | prpplague: my ISA adapters work great, tho |
| 17:29:25 | AlHazWork | just, computers these days often lack isa slots |
| 17:29:31 | prpplague | ctr: ya but if your going to spend the money, why not get the most bang for your buck |
| 17:29:44 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: C++ is working fine, except for global constructors. I took some time off from that to get pthreads working, but I think I know what I need to do to fix it. |
| 17:29:51 | ctr | prpplague: hrmm |
| 17:30:04 | prpplague | AlHazWork: ya, we have several of the actiontec isa, but we had problems with the pci |
| 17:30:13 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: Cool. when it all gets into CVS, ping me at cpenguin@xmission.com and I'll turn ViewML loose on it |
| 17:30:43 | AlHazWork | prpplague: Something about a pci card needing three IRQs that can't be shared is just plain tricky |
| 17:31:12 | ctr | well I have linux booted on my psion |
| 17:31:33 | ctr | does anyone have an arm initrd.gz image that has pcmcia tools on it? |
| 17:31:45 | ctr | so i could get this cf nic working |
| 17:32:09 | ctr | and pviot_root would also be useful |
| 17:32:12 | ctr | can anyone help me? |
| 17:34:56 | AlHazWork | er, what? |
| 17:35:13 | AlHazWork | the tux root has a lot of that stuff, you could make an initrd out of i t |
| 17:37:03 | Morn | needs to read a book on how to "Win friends and influence people..." |
| 17:37:26 | Morn | I'm afraid saying "Your stupid, here's why..." may not be the proper approach with a tech support person... |
| 17:40:33 | prpplague | lol |
| 17:41:51 | prpplague | Morn: a woman called me yesterday with the classic - "i can't find a key on keyboard label ANY " |
| 17:42:57 | ctr | ok |
| 17:42:59 | ssoucek | is back (gone 39:54:01) |
| 17:43:06 | ctr | going to hack buildroot-tux |
| 17:43:15 | ctr | to build an initrd for the psion |
| 17:43:52 | prpplague | ctr: http://www.mdiusa.com/cgi-local/SoftCart.exe/actionbay.htm?E+scstore |
| 17:45:27 | Morn | prpplague: please tell me your not serious |
| 17:45:48 | prpplague | Morn: ohh yes |
| 17:46:39 | Morn | I kinda have wireless networking going on the ipaq |
| 17:46:46 | Morn | which is very cool |
| 17:46:48 | prpplague | Morn: the best one last week was a man had his server plugged into a outlet that was connected to a light switch, couldn't figure out why his ups kept coming on |
| 17:46:56 | Morn | but some reason sshd isn't starting properly at boot |
| 17:48:03 | Morn | well my sister couldn't figure out why suddenly there was no sound with the computer, after troubleshooting I figured out the volume was turned down on the speakers |
| 17:48:06 | Morn | smacks head. |
| 17:48:12 | Morn | repeats. |
| 17:51:23 | ctr | how do i create an initrd? |
| 17:53:00 | ctr | nm |
| 17:53:03 | ctr | found the info |
| 18:03:56 | AlHazWork | use mkinitrd :) |
| 18:57:03 | scanline | is away: class |
| 19:27:16 | prpplague | ctr: you get your initrd built? |
| 19:31:10 | ctr | nope |
| 19:31:43 | prpplague | bummer |
| 19:31:49 | ctr | still hacking buildroot do continue a download |
| 19:31:59 | ctr | cos i am on a 56.6 =P |
| 19:31:59 | prpplague | http://www.abcsinc.com/small-linux/notes.html |
| 19:32:33 | prpplague | there are several texts there about initrd, several mention the ELF board, but everything is the same for most systems |
| 19:32:48 | prpplague | oops |
| 19:32:51 | prpplague | http://www.abcsinc.com/small-linux/notes.htm |
| 19:32:53 | prpplague | no l |
| 19:34:02 | ctr | i have a block i added to the makefile |
| 19:53:12 | ctr | hrmm |
| 19:53:14 | ctr | anyone alive? |
| 19:53:22 | ctr | chris@jilted:/files/tuxscreen/source/cvs/buildroot-tux/uClibc/ldso/ldso> make |
| 19:53:22 | ctr | "arm-linux-"gcc -Wall -Os -fstrict-aliasing -fno-builtin -nostdinc -pipe -nostdinc -I../../include -I/skiff/local/lib/gcc-lib/arm-linux/2.95.2/include -I. -D_LIBC -DNDEBUG -fPIC -DUCLIBC_TARGET_PREFIX=\"/\" -DUCLIBC_DEVEL_PREFIX=\""/files/tuxscreen/source/cvs/buildroot-tux/staging_dir"\" -DUCLIBC_BUILD_DIR=\"/files/tuxscreen/source/cvs/buildroot-tux/uClibc\" -I. -I./arm -I../libdl -c ldso.c -o ldso.o |
| 19:53:22 | ctr | {standard input}: Assembler messages: |
| 19:53:22 | ctr | {standard input}:44: Error: .previous without corresponding .section; ignored |
| 19:53:24 | ctr | make: *** [ldso.o] Error 1 |
| 19:53:30 | ctr | how can i fix that? |
| 19:53:34 | CosmicPenguin | ctr: You're using 2.95.2, huh? |
| 19:54:04 | CosmicPenguin | Upgrade to 2.95.3.... Apparently, this is a bug with the skiff toolchain |
| 19:54:17 | ctr | chris@jilted:/files/tuxscreen/source/cvs/buildroot-tux/uClibc/ldso/ldso> arm-linux-gcc --version |
| 19:54:17 | ctr | 2.95.2 |
| 19:54:24 | ctr | shit |
| 19:54:29 | CosmicPenguin | Yeah. Thats a shitty bug |
| 19:54:33 | ctr | where do i upgrade from? |
| 19:55:49 | CosmicPenguin | http://www.arm.linux.org.uk/ |
| 19:56:01 | CosmicPenguin | or you can use emdebian |
| 19:58:46 | ctr | emdebian i think i shalt try |
| 19:59:55 | ctr | CosmicPenguin: what do you use? |
| 20:00:53 | CosmicPenguin | I just moved to the toolkit off of RMKs site |
| 20:01:20 | ctr | i have modifed buildroot to build a initrd |
| 20:02:11 | ctr | and i shall then modify it further to build the kernel for the series5mx |
| 20:03:48 | CosmicPenguin | is away: confrence call |
| 20:06:13 | CosmicPenguin | is back (gone 00:02:25) |
| 20:06:22 | CosmicPenguin | hmmm... apparently the confrence call had already completed |
| 20:08:17 | ctr | oh =P |
| 20:14:27 | CosmicPenguin | wasn't invited... :( |
| 20:27:26 | prpplague | conference: "so you think we need to get rid of CosmicPenguin, he seems spend lots of time playing on irc...." |
| 20:46:29 | scanline | is back (gone 01:49:26) |
| 20:47:17 | scanline | is away: scared of file |
| 20:53:14 | scanline | is back (gone 00:05:57) |
| 20:54:04 | CosmicPenguin | is away: Confrence call mark II |
| 21:32:50 | as_ | Evnin all. |
| 22:02:02 | sjm | Hi all |
| 22:10:32 | CosmicPenguin | is back (gone 01:16:28) |
| 22:12:46 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: well did you get a promotion or demotion? |
| 22:13:50 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: same ol' same ol' |
| 22:16:50 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: so you still get to clean the toilets before you go home? lol |
| 22:17:01 | prpplague | has a terrible sense of humor |
| 22:17:13 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: Yep... along with the 20 hours of unpaid home work |
| 22:18:08 | prpplague | "been there", "done that", ohh wait "still do that" |
| 22:18:32 | prpplague | anyone gotten a zaurus yet? |
| 22:21:54 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: btw, this guy told me today - "TinyTerm rocks" i was very surprised since the guy sounded like he was in his 70's |
| 22:23:08 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: That must be one of the last living SCO users... :) |
| 22:24:23 | prpplague | lol, unfortuantly we still sell (S)ubstandard (C)rappy (O)peratingsystems |
| 22:31:16 | AlHazWork | I hear Caldera moved into the old Altiris building over the weekend |
| 22:51:58 | ctr | ok |
| 22:52:02 | ctr | is anyone alive? |
| 22:53:39 | AlHazWork | yup |
| 22:58:53 | ctr | hrmm |
| 22:58:54 | ctr | i get |
| 22:59:09 | ctr | "Warning: Unable to open initial console" |
| 22:59:13 | ctr | on testing this initrd |
| 22:59:16 | ctr | what could be wrong? |
| 23:00:06 | AlHazWork | either it doesn't know what it's console device is, or it's console device is missing (ie the node isn't present), or the driver for the console isn't loaded |
| 23:00:38 | ctr | k |
| 23:00:59 | ctr | probably doesn';t know what the consoel devices it |
| 23:01:18 | AlHazWork | I dunno what it should be tho |
| 23:04:25 | ctr | ahhh |
| 23:04:25 | ctr | hrmm |
| 23:04:31 | ctr | i have worked out what the issue is |
| 23:04:34 | ctr | no /dev =P |
| 23:05:52 | ctr | because |
| 23:06:03 | ctr | *shake fist* they aint created guv'nor! |
| 23:06:03 | ctr | :) |
| 23:06:19 | ctr | time to write a perl script to create them |
| 23:09:42 | CosmicPenguin | hehe... A Perl script to create them all |
| 23:11:41 | ctr | well i am not sure which ones i need |
| 23:35:16 | sMacAtack | boo |
| 23:48:57 | ctr | prays |
