| 00:29:07 | CosmicPenguin | is away: A happy vaentines day to all, and to all a good night |
| 00:53:31 | scanline | is away: dinner... is it food yet? |
| 01:19:34 | scanline | is back (gone 00:26:03) |
| 01:46:33 | scanline | is away: lab and stuff... isn't logic synthesis fun! |
| 02:01:27 | bhima | yawns. |
| 02:01:55 | Error403 | pokes andersee |
| 02:01:58 | Error403 | :) |
| 02:02:09 | Error403 | I can be such a pest :) |
| 02:03:32 | | andersee was last seen on #tuxscreen 18 hours, 47 minutes and 42 seconds ago, saying: BZFlag: Net yet perfect for C++, but getting dang close. [Thu Feb 14 07:15:50 2002] |
| 02:03:32 | jacques | ibot: seen andersee |
| 02:03:54 | Error403 | looks at andersee |
| 02:04:11 | Error403 | whois' him and finds out his idle time is 1 hour :/ |
| 03:45:45 | ssoucek | is away: Off to the olympics ... |
| 04:09:14 | | privet, andersee |
| 04:09:14 | andersee | jacques: howdy |
| 04:09:40 | andersee | jacques: I was at the public library getting some work done |
| 04:10:35 | andersee | ibot: Is there something about shrubs that interests you? |
| 04:35:30 | jacques | hi andersee |
| 04:37:44 | andersee | hey |
| 04:37:47 | andersee | whazzup? |
| 04:53:47 | jacques | not much |
| 05:02:23 | jacques | andersee: how come perl isn't on the uclibc working apps list? |
| 05:02:32 | jacques | I thought someone had it working months ago |
| 05:03:53 | andersee | yeah, it works. I've compiled and run it myself... |
| 05:04:04 | andersee | Guess I just forgot to add it. |
| 05:04:16 | jacques | i wouldnt mention it but it's a big one |
| 05:36:57 | scanline | is back (gone 03:50:24) |
| 06:25:06 | sjm | night all |
| 09:56:49 | scanline | is away: homework |
| 12:10:09 | scanline | is back (gone 02:13:20) |
| 13:15:24 | Morn | is away: cleaning up, no peeking! |
| 15:04:11 | scanline | is away: food(sorta) |
| 15:16:24 | prpplague | morning all |
| 15:31:58 | scanline | is back (gone 00:27:47) |
| 15:38:27 | prpplague | howdy there scanline |
| 15:38:39 | prpplague | scanline: hows the picoqui dev going? |
| 15:38:40 | scanline | hiya prpplague |
| 15:39:06 | scanline | picogui dev's going strong still. We're probably starting a weekly conference tradition :) |
| 15:39:56 | scanline | lots of really cool ideas brewing for PicoGUI |
| 15:40:04 | scanline | PIM architecture.. |
| 15:40:07 | scanline | more client libraries... |
| 15:40:07 | prpplague | scanline: what is the level of xterm code support is available on the term program under picgoui? |
| 15:40:11 | scanline | widget templates! |
| 15:40:25 | scanline | hmm.. i'm guessing none |
| 15:40:38 | scanline | it's implementing a small subset of VT102 right now |
| 15:40:43 | prpplague | ohh |
| 15:41:02 | cpenguin-away | is back (gone 15:11:52) |
| 15:41:16 | prpplague | scanline: any IDE stuff yet for picogui? |
| 15:41:22 | scanline | the terminal code should be easy to hack on, we just have had more pressing things to do than finishing the terminal emulation |
| 15:41:39 | scanline | prpplague: not yet, but that's where the widget templates come in :) |
| 15:41:42 | scanline | check this out: |
| 15:41:54 | scanline | http://picogui.org/wiki/view/Main/WidgetTemplates |
| 15:42:04 | prpplague | scanline: i agree, its just that one of the functions i need requires base xterm capability |
| 15:42:14 | scanline | which function? |
| 15:42:26 | scanline | (or which escape code) |
| 15:44:08 | prpplague | scanline: we have a legacy char based app that uses xterm codes, and it uses a wide range of xterm codes |
| 15:44:49 | scanline | prpplague: ok. Shouldn't be hard to implement i think |
| 15:52:31 | prpplague | scanline: have you used fltk fluid before? |
| 15:52:46 | scanline | prpplague: nope |
| 15:53:07 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: those snapgear routers seem to be very nice, the ui is kinda difficult but they are very nice fro the price |
| 15:53:33 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: web based admin? |
| 15:53:36 | prpplague | scanline: it fits into the style of widget development you are talking about |
| 15:53:48 | scanline | prpplague: i've used glade a little |
| 15:53:51 | scanline | tries out fluid |
| 15:54:12 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ya web admin, it creates a text confug file, but its doesn't provide an api for automated update |
| 15:54:44 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: we are going to try and get code today on it |
| 15:55:41 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: No automated update? Did they not expect to have lots of these in the same orginization? |
| 15:56:48 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: not sure what there thinking was |
| 15:57:08 | CosmicPenguin | Weird - I thought that was a pretty standard feature |
| 15:57:15 | CosmicPenguin | Do they have complete MIB support? |
| 16:01:07 | scanline | never has liked UIs that use x,y coordinates for everything |
| 16:01:35 | scanline | the design of the editor is interesting |
| 16:02:49 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i don't see any info on the level of MIB support |
| 16:03:27 | prpplague | scanline: ya it could use some more development, but i've found it very useful in RAD |
| 16:06:41 | scanline | prpplague: it might be a little while before we get to actually writing the GUI editor, but i'll definitely keep in mind other editors like glade and fltk in the design |
| 16:07:58 | prpplague | scanline: just thought i'd suggest |
| 16:08:54 | scanline | thanks |
| 17:36:37 | ssoucek | is away: morgen! |
| 17:36:47 | ssoucek | is back (gone 00:00:10) |
| 17:39:33 | pmisfit | *whew*. all day and all nite yesterday recovering from server disk failure. back to work now... |
| 17:39:43 | pmisfit | rolls up sleeves |
| 17:52:08 | scanline | is away: class and stuff... |
| 18:52:20 | Hiraghm | Hi |
| 18:52:36 | bhima | hello. |
| 18:52:48 | Hiraghm | what's new and exciting? |
| 18:53:05 | bhima | I just woke up, and I have a headache. |
| 18:53:12 | bhima | but that's njot exciting or interesting. |
| 18:53:21 | bhima | how about you? :) |
| 18:55:06 | Hiraghm | hm |
| 18:55:14 | Hiraghm | uhm... got a new monitor. |
| 18:55:35 | Hiraghm | did some searching for Linux distros to download. Found CD images of Mandrake and Debian |
| 18:55:49 | Hiraghm | waves near Morn |
| 18:56:13 | Morn | hey |
| 18:56:26 | Morn | Mandrake is my favorite :-) |
| 18:56:42 | Morn | 8.2 is in beta 2 right now |
| 18:57:54 | bhima | will probably install tuxscreens in his car this weekend. |
| 18:59:01 | Morn | hmmm |
| 18:59:18 | Morn | now why would the solaris machine reboot everytime the linux one does? |
| 19:00:18 | Hiraghm | uhm... jealousy? |
| 19:00:22 | Hiraghm | waves near Russ |
| 19:00:25 | Russ | hey Hiraghm |
| 19:00:26 | Hiraghm | Bhima... |
| 19:00:39 | CosmicPenguin | Morn: Maybe its subscribing to Scott McNealy's philosophy: Anything Linux can do, Sun can do better |
| 19:00:40 | CosmicPenguin | :) |
| 19:00:40 | Hiraghm | compusa is selling 14.1" flat panel monitors for $250. |
| 19:00:48 | Hiraghm | waves near CosmicPenguin |
| 19:00:51 | CosmicPenguin | ducks |
| 19:00:58 | bhima | really? wow. |
| 19:01:06 | Russ | Hiraghm: any clue what LCD unit? |
| 19:01:12 | Morn | the idiot I used to work for bought 3 24" flat screen monitors for $15k each |
| 19:01:12 | Hiraghm | hey, guys, which should I go with and why... Mandrake, Debian, or FreeBSD? |
| 19:01:23 | Russ | is looking for an lcd for a sony pcg-430 |
| 19:01:42 | Russ | I use debian for everything at work |
| 19:01:45 | Hiraghm | Russ, can't say specifically, but it's on their website as well as in the store |
| 19:01:48 | Russ | low maintaince |
| 19:01:53 | Hiraghm | *really* clear picture, IMO, but also small. |
| 19:02:02 | Morn | Mandrake is low maint too |
| 19:02:10 | Hiraghm | I heard debian was good for upgrade, but hard to initially install? |
| 19:02:13 | Russ | Morn: eh, upgrades aren't quite as easy |
| 19:02:23 | Morn | Russ: how do you mean? |
| 19:02:35 | Morn | if you want to upgrade a package you just type urpmi packagename |
| 19:02:42 | Morn | it doesn't get much easier |
| 19:02:46 | Russ | Hiraghm: pretty easy, just use the compact disks and put in a standard netcard for the install if it does'nt aleady have one |
| 19:02:56 | Russ | Morn: I mean system wide upgrade path |
| 19:03:09 | Morn | Russ: if you have the cdroms it's pretty easy |
| 19:03:14 | Russ | Hiraghm: then install a 2.4.x packaged kernel when you are done, or your own |
| 19:03:17 | Hiraghm | you mean the compact disk images? |
| 19:03:19 | Morn | there is a live_update command or just boot into it |
| 19:03:23 | Russ | Morn: debain you don't need cdroms |
| 19:03:32 | Hiraghm | scratches his head in confusion |
| 19:03:33 | Russ | 2-3 floppies to install, net connection to keep up to date |
| 19:03:38 | Hiraghm | nobody likes FreeBSD? |
| 19:03:46 | Morn | Russ: you can do the same with mandrake |
| 19:03:52 | Morn | but I personally don't like that method |
| 19:04:06 | Morn | Hiraghm: I have used FreeBSD a lot |
| 19:04:09 | Hiraghm | pokes CosmicPenguin |
| 19:04:11 | Morn | but I still prefer linux |
| 19:04:18 | Hiraghm | why isn't freebsd linux? |
| 19:04:29 | Morn | freebsd is bsd |
| 19:04:34 | Morn | note the last 3 letters |
| 19:04:39 | Russ | debian is doing a port to the freebsd kernel |
| 19:04:40 | Hiraghm | and... ? |
| 19:04:52 | Hiraghm | I thought Linux was Unix? |
| 19:04:55 | Hiraghm | BSD is Unix? |
| 19:05:08 | Morn | There are different implemntations of unix |
| 19:05:18 | Hiraghm | how does BSD differ from Linux? |
| 19:05:24 | Hiraghm | different |
| 19:05:31 | Russ | kernel and base system |
| 19:05:35 | Hiraghm | oops. I got it right the first time, nm 8c) |
| 19:05:39 | Morn | the kernel is very different |
| 19:05:47 | Hiraghm | scratches his head in confusion |
| 19:06:10 | Morn | You can't really say that *BSD, Linux, Irix, Solaris and so on are all the same thing |
| 19:06:16 | Hiraghm | oh well. You're talking to someone who can't tell Irix from Linux either <shrug> |
| 19:06:29 | Hiraghm | Yes I can. I'm humpty dumpty 8c) |
| 19:06:36 | Morn | Most unix derives from either AT&T unix or BSD unix |
| 19:06:43 | bhima | I try to write apps in a way thta treats them the same. |
| 19:06:48 | Morn | But Linux is a new implementation (as I understand it) |
| 19:06:51 | Hiraghm | okay, I remember that, now. |
| 19:07:20 | Hiraghm | So if I get Mandrake or Debian, there will be more or less software available? |
| 19:07:32 | Hiraghm | than FreeBSD I mean |
| 19:07:43 | Morn | most software compiles on all unixes |
| 19:07:50 | Morn | but some things are linux specific |
| 19:07:54 | Russ | Hiraghm: its mainly the base |
| 19:07:54 | Hiraghm | nods |
| 19:07:58 | bhima | FreeBSD includes a good, solid emulation layer. |
| 19:08:05 | Hiraghm | yeah, I've tried porting a couple things from Linux to Irix and got a headache. |
| 19:08:11 | Russ | like X, the packaging, libc, compilers, etc |
| 19:08:12 | bhima | I have been told that it's frequently faster than native :) |
| 19:08:26 | Morn | gets a headache doing most things in Irix |
| 19:08:32 | Hiraghm | what about developing for the Tux? |
| 19:08:42 | Hiraghm | I may sell my O2. |
| 19:08:46 | Hiraghm | sighs |
| 19:08:52 | Russ | Hiraghm: it'd be easier on debian or mandrake than on freebsd |
| 19:09:01 | Russ | higher degree of cross compilation going on |
| 19:09:14 | Hiraghm | mkay, so FreeBSD is out. How bout tween Mandrake and debian? |
| 19:09:25 | Morn | I think its a matter of preference |
| 19:09:27 | bhima | why is freebsd out? |
| 19:09:33 | Morn | they both have good and bad points |
| 19:09:41 | Hiraghm | "it'd be easier on debian or mandrake than on freebsd" |
| 19:09:47 | Russ | Hiraghm: if you are just looking at tux devel, not much of a difference |
| 19:10:04 | bhima | ooh. two local CompUSA stores have the $250 displays. |
| 19:10:15 | Russ | its just the system maintaince that they differ in |
| 19:10:19 | Hiraghm | on Tucows last night I saw a lot of different distros. Like PhatLinux |
| 19:10:31 | Hiraghm | bhima same here 8c) |
| 19:10:41 | Russ | how you maintain the system, install packages, install the distro, configure hardware, keep it up to date, etc |
| 19:10:57 | Morn | I don't have a local compusa |
| 19:11:05 | Russ | Hiraghm: what pipe are you on at work |
| 19:11:23 | Hiraghm | I got a Microtek C783 at Office Depot... 17" with ac/dc thingy (like on a notebook) for $599 |
| 19:11:28 | Hiraghm | Russ, pipe? |
| 19:11:34 | Russ | Hiraghm: internet connection |
| 19:11:45 | Hiraghm | I work at home Russ. |
| 19:11:54 | Russ | ah, what pipe are you on at home then |
| 19:11:56 | bhima | see, my desktop has a 21" trinitron. so it'll take a lot for me to switch to something else. |
| 19:12:08 | Hiraghm | Southwesternbell DSL connection.. uhm... I'd have to check my server to see the domain name |
| 19:12:16 | Russ | 512k? |
| 19:12:27 | Hiraghm | yeah |
| 19:12:46 | Hiraghm | I clocked it at 1350 bps on speed411 the other day. I was pleased 8c) |
| 19:13:00 | bhima | as exepected, analog only input, no digital. |
| 19:13:03 | Russ | umm? |
| 19:13:06 | Hiraghm | bah! |
| 19:13:06 | Russ | 1350 bps? |
| 19:13:09 | Russ | that really sucks |
| 19:13:16 | Hiraghm | it beats 350 |
| 19:13:30 | Russ | bytes per second? |
| 19:13:35 | Russ | er |
| 19:13:38 | Russ | bits per second? |
| 19:13:44 | Hiraghm | bits |
| 19:13:48 | bhima | kilobytes per second? kilobits per second? |
| 19:13:52 | Hiraghm | kbits sorry |
| 19:13:56 | Russ | dude, a 9600 baud modem... |
| 19:14:03 | Hiraghm | just clocked it at 1489 |
| 19:14:31 | Hiraghm | sorry, I mentally insert the thousand. |
| 19:14:46 | Hiraghm | 1.4 megabits |
| 19:15:29 | Hiraghm | bhima, well it's cheap, after all. |
| 19:15:40 | Hiraghm | though there are a lot of 15" displays in the $350 range. |
| 19:15:49 | bhima | see, at my last job, I freuqently worked with multi gigabit things. so mentally inserting soething in there isn't good :) |
| 19:15:58 | Hiraghm | heheheh |
| 19:16:05 | Morn | I still can't believe someone would spend $15k on 3 24" flat panel displays |
| 19:16:19 | Morn | $15k each that is |
| 19:16:29 | bhima | morn: what kind of flat panels? |
| 19:16:37 | Morn | I forget the model |
| 19:16:43 | Morn | all i know is they don't work well at all |
| 19:16:43 | Hiraghm | especially when you can get a 50" plasma for half that |
| 19:17:07 | Morn | And he uses one as a display for a tv tuner card... |
| 19:17:20 | Hiraghm | lol |
| 19:17:23 | Morn | god if you wanted to watch tv you could buy an awesome one for a fraction of that |
| 19:17:26 | Russ | Hiraghm: ya, screw cd, just do a net install of debian |
| 19:17:42 | Hiraghm | Russ, so how would I go about that? It's going onto a Compaq notebook, btw. By itself. |
| 19:17:49 | Hiraghm | is through dual-booting |
| 19:18:04 | Russ | I really don't enjoy notebook installs myself |
| 19:18:10 | Russ | does it have a built in netcard? |
| 19:18:13 | Hiraghm | neither do I. |
| 19:18:35 | Hiraghm | No, it has a pccard ethernet adapter |
| 19:19:44 | Russ | I don't know too much about laptops |
| 19:20:15 | Hiraghm | that's okay. can't I just download the cd images and burn them onto cd? |
| 19:20:22 | Morn | which compaq? |
| 19:20:22 | Hiraghm | and then install from cd? |
| 19:20:34 | Morn | I'm using Mandrake nicely on my 1694 |
| 19:21:31 | Russ | Hiraghm: debian is given much more to just a net install |
| 19:21:43 | Russ | rather than download everything |
| 19:22:10 | Morn | gives up advocating an alternative to debian. |
| 19:23:54 | boodle | debian rules! |
| 19:24:01 | boodle | goes back to silence |
| 19:24:34 | bhima | rolls a percussion grenade into the middle of the channel and ducks in to the shower |
| 19:25:12 | Hiraghm | laughs |
| 19:25:20 | Hiraghm | I wasn't trying to start a flamewar, really. |
| 19:25:36 | Hiraghm | I just want to get what's best. I want to get serious about Linux this time. |
| 19:25:47 | Hiraghm | Whatever I get, I want it to run Kdevelop. |
| 19:25:49 | Hiraghm | ducks |
| 19:26:00 | CosmicPenguin | tries to toss a grenade back, but the OOM killer crashes his system |
| 19:26:07 | CosmicPenguin | Stupid poetic justice... :) |
| 19:27:06 | Hiraghm | you were out of mana? |
| 19:27:28 | Hiraghm | plays too much Everquest |
| 19:27:44 | Hiraghm | CP |
| 19:27:54 | Hiraghm | pokes Cosmic Penguin |
| 19:28:22 | Morn | you need to find what is best for YOU |
| 19:28:27 | Morn | not what is best for someone else |
| 19:28:33 | Morn | that's the nice thing about linux |
| 19:28:36 | Hiraghm | Morn |
| 19:28:39 | Morn | there is a choice |
| 19:28:40 | Hiraghm | that's what I'm trying to do. |
| 19:28:57 | Hiraghm | I'm not after "get deb" "don't get deb"... I'm after why people like what they chose |
| 19:29:10 | Hiraghm | what problems they encountered |
| 19:29:33 | Morn | for most people I've turned onto Mandrake they have found it much easier to configure and use than other systems |
| 19:29:46 | Morn | but some people like the debian way of doing things |
| 19:30:02 | Morn | there is no right or wrong answer to this |
| 19:30:45 | Hiraghm | so anything I'm likely to write under Mandrake should also compile and run under Debian with few changes? |
| 19:30:49 | Hiraghm | and vice versa? |
| 19:30:57 | Morn | yes |
| 19:31:43 | CosmicPenguin | Hiraghm: yes??? |
| 19:32:14 | boodle | thinks choice is good |
| 19:32:21 | boodle | choose debian! |
| 19:32:21 | Hiraghm | CP, 3 questions |
| 19:32:25 | boodle | hides under a rock |
| 19:32:54 | CosmicPenguin | shoot |
| 19:33:01 | Hiraghm | what distro do you use? (you told me, I forgot) why do you like it, and finally, which would you recommend for someone who misses his Amiga but has been warped by Windows? |
| 19:33:10 | Hiraghm | boodle, why debian? |
| 19:33:52 | CosmicPenguin | Hiraghm: I use RedHat as the basis, but then I modify the hell out of it |
| 19:33:58 | boodle | Hiraghm: it's cool :) seriously I find it the best way to stay on bleeding edge without building all the stuff from scratch (using debian unstable feed. former bsd user here) |
| 19:34:11 | Hiraghm | CP, you would 8c) |
| 19:34:33 | Hiraghm | boodle, ohh. |
| 19:34:37 | boodle | I used to use redhat and got tired of all the fscking with rpm dependancy issues. apt eliminates that |
| 19:34:56 | CosmicPenguin | I really get an easy feeling by doing an apt-get and having all sorts of stuff start building |
| 19:35:03 | CosmicPenguin | Its the same feeling I get from CPAN |
| 19:35:11 | Hiraghm | yeah, I remember headaches with dependency and rpms. |
| 19:35:24 | Morn | urpmi is nice for depencencies |
| 19:35:28 | Hiraghm | CP, are you being sarcasmic? (dunno what cpan is) |
| 19:35:30 | CosmicPenguin | Thats why I prefer RPMS... though better dependency support would be nice to have |
| 19:35:37 | Morn | it finds them and tries to auto find the packages you need |
| 19:35:48 | CosmicPenguin | Hiraghm: Its kinda like apt-get for Perl |
| 19:35:49 | Morn | CPAN is for perl modules |
| 19:36:18 | Hiraghm | I don't know why, but when I ran Mandrake 7, I seldom got a source code package to build successfully. |
| 19:36:27 | Hiraghm | like with "make config" |
| 19:36:44 | Morn | did you have the devel modules installed? |
| 19:37:01 | Morn | I do all my development on mandrake with no issues |
| 19:37:02 | Hiraghm | Oh, do Debian and Mandrake both handle OpenMotif equally well? |
| 19:37:16 | Hiraghm | Morn, If I recall correctly, I did, yes. |
| 19:37:32 | Morn | I don't know how debian does open motif, I only used it in a remote server enviornment |
| 19:37:41 | Hiraghm | and I looked for consistencies in what it wasn't finding or errors, and there didn't seem to be any. |
| 19:38:09 | Hiraghm | I'll *probably* go with Mandrake, since I've used it before. |
| 19:38:11 | CosmicPenguin | Hiraghm: Another reason I use redhat is that most of our developers / clients use it, so it provides a good basis |
| 19:38:14 | boodle | dunno about motif |
| 19:38:26 | CosmicPenguin | But we have SuSE, Mandrake and Debian machines here if we need them |
| 19:38:34 | Hiraghm | hm. SuSE |
| 19:38:52 | Russ | CosmicPenguin: ick, because everyone else uses it |
| 19:39:29 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: Yeah, I know.... But it seems that everytime I end up upgradeing a development tool, it starts breaking all of our clients stuff |
| 19:39:36 | Morn | Russ: if your clients use it and you need to have things work there it is a good reason |
| 19:39:58 | Hiraghm | looks worried |
| 19:40:23 | Morn | Hiraghm: if you worry your head over this too much you'll never find anything out yourself |
| 19:40:36 | Morn | Install one, if it doesn't meet your needs try another |
| 19:40:37 | Hiraghm | I know |
| 19:40:47 | Morn | self exploration is the real answer |
| 19:40:48 | CosmicPenguin | Hiraghm: roll your own |
| 19:40:53 | Russ | Hiraghm: I would just install a glibc2.1 cross compiler |
| 19:40:53 | Hiraghm | panics and screams |
| 19:41:01 | Hiraghm | roll my own?? |
| 19:41:13 | Morn | create your own distro |
| 19:41:15 | Hiraghm | Russ, install it on what? |
| 19:41:23 | Hiraghm | I wouldn't know how to go about doing that, Morn. |
| 19:41:25 | CosmicPenguin | All you need is a compiler, busybox and tinylogin and you've got a basis. Then you can upgrade from there |
| 19:41:51 | Hiraghm | busybox, tinylogin... |
| 19:41:59 | Morn | isn't SorcerorLinux basically a compiler and login and the rest is built when you start? |
| 19:42:13 | CosmicPenguin | (or, God help you, you can try to build all the GNU tools...) |
| 19:42:27 | Hiraghm | tells himself, "you're not as dumb as you feel, you used to be a coder, wake up!" |
| 19:42:46 | Morn | No one said you were dumb. |
| 19:42:49 | Hiraghm | I did |
| 19:42:56 | Morn | ok, someone did |
| 19:43:03 | Hiraghm | laughs |
| 19:43:07 | Hiraghm | what is busybox and tinylogin? |
| 19:43:29 | Morn | it's the basic tools in a small package |
| 19:45:00 | Hiraghm | okay, so I get a compiler and busybox and tinylogin... what does busybox do? |
| 19:45:07 | Hiraghm | tinylogin I imagine is a shell of some kind... |
| 19:47:48 | Russ | busybox is a bunch of apps in one binary |
| 19:48:02 | Russ | I think busybox can replace most of tinylogin's functionality now |
| 19:48:08 | Hiraghm | oh |
| 19:48:10 | Hiraghm | waves near file |
| 19:48:25 | file | waves near Hiraghm |
| 19:49:05 | Hiraghm | but from there, I can't just grab this redhat bit and that debian bit and slap them together, can I? |
| 19:50:47 | Russ | ? |
| 19:51:30 | Russ | debian really prefers to have all its bits its own due to the packaging system |
| 19:52:43 | Hiraghm | well, we were talking about me making my own distro |
| 19:53:01 | Hiraghm | Morn, got a link to SorcerorLinux? |
| 19:53:10 | Morn | I don't recall the link |
| 19:53:13 | Morn | I can find it later |
| 19:53:18 | Morn | I'm a little busy at the moment |
| 19:53:22 | Hiraghm | sokay, I'm searching the net now |
| 19:53:24 | Hiraghm | sorry |
| 19:53:34 | Morn | not your fault :-) |
| 19:53:55 | CosmicPenguin | Hiraghm: Another distro that I recently heard about was behive: www.behive.nu |
| 19:54:01 | Hiraghm | found dit |
| 19:54:59 | Morn | sorceror is really not for someone who doesn't have a solid understanding of linux and the build process |
| 19:55:05 | Morn | it's for advanced sys admins |
| 19:55:37 | Hiraghm | sorceror requires 1gb ram+swap?? |
| 19:55:48 | Hiraghm | I only have 4 gig HD space on the machine to begin with. |
| 19:56:17 | Hiraghm | yeah, I just read that, thanks Morn 8c) |
| 19:56:41 | bhima | so, how easily can you make your own touchscreen? |
| 19:57:19 | CosmicPenguin | Like from scratch? Or assemble it yourself? |
| 19:57:35 | Hiraghm | This domain name, "behive.nu", may still be available for registration! |
| 19:57:35 | Hiraghm | This domain name, "behive.nu", may still be available for registration! |
| 19:57:35 | Hiraghm | This domain name, "behive.nu", may still be available for registration! |
| 19:57:35 | Hiraghm | This domain name, "behive.nu", may still be available for registration! |
| 19:57:35 | Hiraghm | This domain name, "behive.nu", may still be available for registration! |
| 19:57:36 | Hiraghm | This domain name, "behive.nu", may still be available for registration! |
| 19:57:37 | Hiraghm | This domain name, "behive.nu", may still be available for registration! |
| 19:57:39 | Hiraghm | This domain name, "behive.nu", may still be available for registration! |
| 19:57:41 | Hiraghm | Oops! sorry! |
| 19:57:42 | CosmicPenguin | Ok, |
| 19:57:45 | CosmicPenguin | Maybe beehive then |
| 19:57:54 | Hiraghm | couldn't understand why the text wasn't appearing with cut/paste |
| 19:58:03 | Hiraghm | (using beta version of ViRC2) |
| 19:58:09 | CosmicPenguin | Man, make one spelling mistake, and you pay for it the rest of your life |
| 19:58:13 | Hiraghm | lol |
| 19:58:44 | bhima | take a flat piee of plastic, put four pressure sensors, one on each corner. |
| 19:58:54 | Hiraghm | acrylic |
| 19:59:29 | bhima | acrylic is a subset of plastic. but, yes, I was thinking of the clear acrylic I have right now. dense enough. |
| 19:59:54 | Hiraghm | bhima, came across a site the other day where a guy made his own acrylic case (was ugly) |
| 20:00:13 | Hiraghm | however, I don't see why you couldn't make a custom case for the tuxscreen out of it. |
| 20:00:41 | bhima | oh, no, not a custom case. well, I already did that :) |
| 20:00:50 | Hiraghm | I haven't 8c) |
| 20:00:57 | bhima | but what I was gonna do was make a touch screen for a 14.1" $250 flat panel. |
| 20:01:49 | Hiraghm | grins at bhima |
| 20:02:09 | Hiraghm | bhima, you're putting a tux in your car, right? |
| 20:02:24 | Hiraghm | or am I thinking of someone else? |
| 20:05:14 | Hiraghm | maybe someday I'll put together my own distro |
| 20:05:45 | file | hrms |
| 20:05:45 | file | an automated system from Rogers AT&T Wireless just called for my mother |
| 20:06:07 | bhima | yeah, I am doing a car tuxscren setup. |
| 20:06:21 | bhima | tuxscreen, empeg, 1GHz celeron, eventualy 1.6GHz athlon. |
| 20:07:34 | Hiraghm | nifty |
| 20:08:09 | Hiraghm | I'm thinking of making a stand for the cupholder in the console of my car for the laptop. |
| 20:08:22 | Hiraghm | (I spend a lot of time in the parking lot of Walmart 8c) |
| 20:08:41 | bhima | I don't want to use my laptop in my car. |
| 20:10:45 | Hiraghm | okay |
| 20:10:49 | Hiraghm | I won't make you 8c) |
| 20:14:23 | bhima | good. cause then I'd have to torture you and install HP/UX and Windows 3.1 for pen computing on all your computers. |
| 20:14:36 | CosmicPenguin | hmm... sqlite needs more date management code |
| 20:16:12 | Hiraghm | downloading Mandrake isos |
| 20:16:24 | Hiraghm | waves near Tangent |
| 20:16:51 | Hiraghm | wonders if you can put Linux on an IBM 730TE... |
| 20:17:28 | Tangent | Hiraghm : Hi |
| 20:17:45 | Hiraghm | woot! 1% of the first disk is downloaded |
| 20:18:09 | Tangent | Hiraghm : Should be using debian ;) |
| 20:18:25 | boodle | Hiraghm: see?? :-) |
| 20:18:37 | Tangent | Only three floppies to download that way ;) |
| 20:19:05 | boodle | I need to throw intimate on jornada |
| 20:19:20 | Hiraghm | cries |
| 20:19:30 | Hiraghm | wot's intimate? |
| 20:19:48 | Tangent | boodle : Now that'd be a worthy handheld :) |
| 20:19:53 | Tangent | Hiraghm : intimate.handhelds.org |
| 20:20:17 | Hiraghm | pokes Tangent |
| 20:20:23 | Tangent | Hiraghm : Also works with Tuxscreens (because at the end of the day it's all debian arm) |
| 20:20:30 | boodle | Tangent: yepper. cf slot (type I, ugh) on bottom leaving pcmcia free. intimate still requires 340mb ? |
| 20:20:45 | CosmicPenguin | ahhh, the beauty of POSIX |
| 20:20:47 | CosmicPenguin | sighs |
| 20:20:54 | Tangent | boodle : Well.. around 140MB for the install |
| 20:21:01 | Hiraghm | pokes CosmicPenguin |
| 20:21:30 | Hiraghm | panics, screams, and halts the Mandrake download |
| 20:21:41 | Hiraghm | THEY didn't tell me that Tangent! |
| 20:21:45 | Hiraghm | points at the culprits |
| 20:21:52 | Tangent | boodle : I'm gonna try to significantly reduce the footprint next week.. I want to get it running well on my Psion5Mx |
| 20:21:58 | boodle | Tangent: hrm.. may be doable. I'm actually messing around trying to manuall install dpkg/apt functionality on familiar-unstable. and manually strip out extra locales etc. |
| 20:22:02 | boodle | Tangent: cool |
| 20:22:07 | Hiraghm | grabs Tangent by the collar and shakes him |
| 20:22:12 | CosmicPenguin | Hiraghm: debian-arm != debian-x86 |
| 20:22:15 | Hiraghm | did you ever get X working on the 5MX? |
| 20:22:19 | Tangent | Hiraghm : What'd I do? |
| 20:22:33 | Tangent | Hiraghm : I didn't, but someone else has now... |
| 20:22:36 | Hiraghm | CP, he meant intimate works with tuxscreens, right? |
| 20:22:43 | CosmicPenguin | Yes |
| 20:22:47 | Hiraghm | Tangent, if the 5MX were color it'd be perfect. |
| 20:22:48 | Tangent | Hiraghm : And the #Psilinux channel finally has some life now too :) |
| 20:23:00 | Hiraghm | I usta have a 3a. |
| 20:23:19 | boodle | speaking of tuxscreens :) is there a lame-brain (me!) distro setup yet or is it all buildroot still |
| 20:23:22 | Hiraghm | well.. if the 5MX had color and 3d in hardware it'd be perfect. |
| 20:23:32 | Tangent | The Jordana720 sounds to me like a fast colour psion (not that it boots linux) |
| 20:23:40 | Tangent | s/not/now |
| 20:23:51 | Hiraghm | I always liked epoc |
| 20:23:53 | boodle | yepper. it's pretty slick |
| 20:24:09 | Tangent | Yep.. the psion suite of apps are still the best PDA suite around |
| 20:24:25 | bhima | smacks Tangent. |
| 20:24:31 | bhima | points to the MessagePad 2100. |
| 20:24:41 | Tangent | turns the other cheek... but not the one on his face ;) |
| 20:24:48 | Hiraghm | I got so mad when I saw that the Revo and Mako didn't have expansion slots. and the Revo didn't have a backlight |
| 20:25:06 | Tangent | I just got mad that psion gave up once they'd made the 5MX |
| 20:25:08 | bhima | photocopies Tangent's ass, puts it on his web site, and points the google image archive at it. |
| 20:25:13 | Hiraghm | nods at Tangent |
| 20:25:15 | Tangent | heh ;) |
| 20:25:41 | boodle | turns on the google nasty-ass-content filter |
| 20:25:49 | Hiraghm | I kick myself when I think about it... |
| 20:26:10 | Hiraghm | 3 years ago I was so into the pda scene I'd written a series of articles for Gamasutra on games for pdas. |
| 20:26:34 | Hiraghm | Then it looked like they were going to be a fad, or WinCE was going to so dominate that it didn't matter, so I gave up on them. |
| 20:26:49 | bhima | the newton is still the best PDA out there. |
| 20:26:50 | Tangent | I had a Psion II.. which was fantastic.. then a 3, which was also fantastic... then a 5MX which seemed to let the side down quite badly... Great keyboard, cruddy screen |
| 20:26:58 | Hiraghm | Now I walk into the store and actually see commercial apps for Pilots and WinCE... |
| 20:27:14 | bhima | I walked into a store in 1995 and saw commercial apps for the Newton. |
| 20:27:24 | Hiraghm | yeah, the keyboard on the 5 was special. |
| 20:27:28 | boodle | hp200lx had a good kb. 720 not so hot but i'll get used to it now |
| 20:27:29 | Hiraghm | pokes bhima |
| 20:27:36 | Tangent | Yeah.. the newton was another cool machine that was needlessly killed off |
| 20:27:47 | Hiraghm | the 3 series had a great keyboard for thumb-typing |
| 20:27:49 | bhima | loves the internal architecture of the OS. |
| 20:28:00 | bhima | Persistent object stores kick butt. |
| 20:28:12 | Hiraghm | six percent of the first CD! |
| 20:28:13 | Hiraghm | cheers |
| 20:28:43 | Hiraghm | now I have to dig out my cd burner software |
| 20:28:45 | boodle | I hope to see something like 720 with 400Mhz xscale, cf ii slots :) |
| 20:29:13 | Hiraghm | my big problem with most pdas is that nobody wants to turn them landscape 8c( |
| 20:29:25 | Hiraghm | even when using them with a keyboard |
| 20:29:32 | file | burps |
| 20:29:40 | | file: Your Flux Capacitor has gone bad. |
| 20:29:40 | file | excuse me. |
| 20:29:48 | | file? |
| 20:29:48 | file | ibot |
| 20:29:54 | file | can you get me a new one? |
| 20:29:57 | file | pretty please? |
| 20:29:59 | | Since Tue Feb 12 23:48:30 2002, there have been 119 modifications and 164 questions. I have been awake for 2 days, 20 hours, 41 minutes, 29 seconds this session, and currently reference 4487 factoids. Addressing is in required mode. |
| 20:29:59 | file | ibot status |
| 20:30:01 | Hiraghm | hm.. diylinux... |
| 20:30:23 | file | 4487 factoids, your smart |
| 20:30:30 | | ...but ibot is a lame excuse for a bot.... |
| 20:30:30 | file | ibot: you are smart. |
| 20:30:41 | | file: I forgot ibot |
| 20:30:41 | file | ibot forget ibot |
| 20:30:46 | | OK, file. |
| 20:30:46 | file | ibot: you are smarty |
| 20:30:52 | | file: i haven't a clue |
| 20:30:52 | file | ibot: you are? |
| 20:30:57 | file | erm |
| 20:31:13 | | i guess i am smarty |
| 20:31:13 | Hiraghm | who is ibot? |
| 20:32:02 | | i think sex is updatedb; locate blonde; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; ipkg install condom; mount; fsck; gasp; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; ipkg remove condom; make clean; sleep |
| 20:32:02 | bhima | ibot: sex? |
| 20:32:58 | Hiraghm | peers at bhima |
| 20:33:15 | bhima | leers at hiraghm |
| 20:33:17 | CosmicPenguin | is disappointed that he is so geeky that he found that ROFLMAO |
| 20:33:21 | bhima | goes off to compusa |
| 20:33:28 | Hiraghm | ooh, kdevelop has cvs integration |
| 20:33:36 | Hiraghm | cheers bhima |
| 20:33:52 | bhima | gonna buy a flat panel if it will mount in his car. |
| 20:33:53 | bhima | & |
| 20:42:45 | Russ | hmm...cd == go home? |
| 20:43:18 | Russ | or put on music |
| 20:44:16 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: I think it should mean go home |
| 20:44:34 | CosmicPenguin | I don't understand why you unzip after strip, though |
| 20:45:17 | Hiraghm | waves near andersee |
| 20:45:26 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: I always unzip before I strip. Makes it easier to get my clothes off. |
| 20:45:52 | Hiraghm | 15%! |
| 20:46:00 | CosmicPenguin | Yep - you can't unzip that which is stripped |
| 20:48:01 | Russ | strip blonde |
| 20:48:04 | Russ | unzip self |
| 20:49:02 | Hiraghm | prefers redheads |
| 20:49:52 | Hiraghm | http://www.cgocable.net/~jhendrix/ |
| 20:51:32 | CosmicPenguin | Hiraghm: thats pretty bleeding edge |
| 20:51:55 | Hiraghm | nods |
| 20:52:08 | Hiraghm | 18%! |
| 20:52:16 | Russ | note they don't mention debian in their exceeds list |
| 20:52:26 | Hiraghm | chuckles |
| 20:52:48 | andersee | Hiraghm: what the 18% stuff? |
| 20:53:20 | Hiraghm | of the first Mandrake CD |
| 20:53:22 | Hiraghm | downloaded |
| 20:54:43 | andersee | I downloaded a RedHat 6.2 user-mode linux image a couple weeks ago to find a uClibc bug... I hate downloading huge images. Takes forever |
| 20:55:22 | Russ | andersee: maybe do some chroot installs |
| 20:56:17 | Hiraghm | 21%!! |
| 20:56:21 | Hiraghm | I hate it too. |
| 20:56:54 | andersee | Russ: thats what I used the uml image for. Was just easier then downloading a CD since it provided a live filesystem |
| 21:01:01 | Tangent | Hiraghm : I found a great toy for passing the time today.... kinda sad, but... http://www.wordsmith.org/anagram/advanced.html |
| 21:01:24 | Tangent | Hiraghm : Was looking up people I work with.... some of them were quite cool :) |
| 21:08:27 | Hiraghm | hm |
| 21:10:02 | Hiraghm | 27% |
| 21:12:50 | Hiraghm | http://www.5dwm.org/ |
| 21:14:42 | Hiraghm | 30%! |
| 21:23:24 | Hiraghm | waves near BZFlag |
| 21:23:30 | Hiraghm | 34%! |
| 21:45:00 | | 'Hiraghm' is 0% lame, BZFlag |
| 21:45:00 | BZFlag | ibot: nickometer Hiraghm |
| 21:52:15 | scanline | is back (gone 04:00:07) |
| 21:54:49 | | 'file' is 0% lame, file |
| 21:54:49 | file | ibot: nickometer file |
| 21:54:52 | file | :) |
| 21:54:57 | | 'BZFlag' is 7% lame, file |
| 21:54:57 | file | ibot: nickometer BZFlag |
| 21:55:02 | file | uh oh |
| 21:56:16 | CosmicPenguin | How is BZFlag lamer than flie? |
| 21:56:46 | file | I don't know |
| 22:29:32 | Hiraghm | 68%! |
| 22:33:29 | AlHazWork | 68%? |
| 22:33:51 | Hiraghm | 1st Mandrake install CD downloaded |
| 22:33:56 | Hiraghm | 70%! |
| 22:34:35 | scanline | is away: "short nap" or something |
| 22:34:39 | AlHazWork | Ah |
| 22:34:54 | AlHazWork | mandrake's got so much fluff & goo applied that it bothers me |
| 22:35:03 | Hiraghm | which distro do you use? |
| 22:35:17 | AlHazWork | mostly debian lately |
| 22:35:23 | Hiraghm | sighs |
| 22:35:29 | Hiraghm | well it was a choice between debian and mandrake |
| 22:35:46 | Hiraghm | but I'm not a Linux admin guru expert type guy (yet) |
| 22:35:57 | Hiraghm | can you give me examples of fluff and goo? |
| 22:36:37 | Hiraghm | I'm going to be sticking this on a notebook. I want it to be able to run OpenMotif and Kdevelop. Java would be nice too. |
| 22:39:37 | file | compiles up a linux kernel |
| 22:40:44 | Hiraghm | pokes file |
| 22:40:51 | file | notes it fails |
| 22:40:52 | file | mips_ksyms.c |
| 22:40:54 | file | that got me... |
| 22:41:00 | Hiraghm | nods at file |
| 22:41:05 | file | oh well... |
| 22:41:28 | CosmicPenguin | mips... fun for all... :( |
| 22:41:44 | file | :) |
| 22:42:05 | file | this kernel has broken TCP/IP support |
| 22:42:08 | file | I need it fixed! |
| 22:42:31 | file | stupid stupid stupid |
| 22:45:35 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: eh? |
| 22:49:56 | andersee | is away: sleeping |
| 22:52:32 | Hiraghm | waves near derwood |
| 22:53:22 | file | yawns |
| 23:05:55 | PleXeR | Hi guys |
| 23:18:09 | PuckCh | is away: looking OG Hockey Game CA-SE |
| 23:33:17 | Hiraghm | anybody there? |
| 23:33:21 | Hiraghm | sigh |
| 23:35:08 | PleXeR | lo |
| 23:35:43 | derwood | i'm here... just trying to get a linksys WLAN card going... |
| 23:36:18 | PleXeR | you using the power supply that came with the tuxscreen? |
| 23:36:31 | derwood | yep. |
| 23:36:40 | PleXeR | ok |
| 23:40:37 | bhima | is it working? |
| 23:49:15 | Hiraghm | 4%! |
| 23:51:30 | derwood | nope... |
| 23:56:10 | file | Hiraghm: guess what I found |