| 00:04:30 | CosmicPenguin | is away: Off to the olympics |
| 00:11:46 | derwood | any body have ideas on how to get an ethernet card recognized. during boot cardmgr error with can't find /lib/modules/2..rmk1-tux2/ |
| 00:21:27 | AlHazWork | oh, well, I'd try the obvious way around that error |
| 00:21:33 | AlHazWork | make sure lib/modules/whatever exists |
| 00:21:42 | AlHazWork | and has the right modules in it |
| 00:24:58 | ssoucek | and the ex1 pthread example actually does not segfault; it doesn't run either because i don't have an mmu on my arm... |
| 00:25:33 | derwood | yeah... it doesn't exisit... i'm trying to figure out what to change in buildroot-tux to make it exisit |
| 01:29:38 | pmisfit | is reading printouts of tux schematics |
| 01:37:07 | boodle | anyone know of a device that has sa1111 + uda1341 ? |
| 01:39:14 | jacques | hi boodle |
| 01:40:15 | jacques | pmisfit: the patch at the end of the tinyx howto got 2.4.16 ts working on tinyx for me - only problem is no calibration (yet) |
| 01:40:35 | | hola, boodle |
| 01:40:35 | boodle | jacques: hi |
| 01:41:32 | scanline | is back (gone 02:11:11) |
| 01:43:05 | derwood | argh. i have a linksys ec2t cards in two tuxscreens. everything looks good from the pcmcia down to the crossover cable... but i can't get ping to work. |
| 01:45:53 | pmisfit | jacques: cool. the howto i have here must be old, it ends with "9) strip to taste." and of course "The End". |
| 01:54:28 | jacques | pmisfit: someone added the patch to the howto on the tuxscreen wiki |
| 01:54:59 | jacques | http://tuxscreen.net/wiki/view//BuildingTinyX |
| 02:39:48 | pmisfit | jacques: and there it is! thanks. |
| 02:39:58 | jacques | pmisfit: good luck |
| 02:42:18 | pmisfit | jacques: question re step 5? |
| 02:43:28 | pmisfit | you show the block of protos for wctomb/mblen/mbtowc/mbstowcs to be in an #if 1 |
| 02:43:47 | jacques | pmisfit: oops |
| 02:44:03 | jacques | pmisfit: wait - that's correct |
| 02:44:05 | pmisfit | jacques: should be #if 0, no? |
| 02:44:16 | jacques | pmisfit: no, we need those protos there |
| 02:44:31 | jacques | pmisfit: the #if 1 is redundant, but just force of habit |
| 02:44:50 | jacques | pmisfit: we need the protos in the X header, and NOT in the uclibc header |
| 02:45:12 | pmisfit | jacques: oh. ok, because in the actual source, they are #if defined(ISC) && defined(USE_XMBTOWC) |
| 02:45:19 | jacques | soon, uclibc will hve wide char support and those steps won't be necessary |
| 02:45:36 | jacques | pmisfit: right, but ISC is not defined in our case |
| 02:45:57 | jacques | pmisfit: and I dont know what bad things would happen if we defined it - this way is just easier |
| 02:46:19 | jacques | waits for wide char support in uclibc. |
| 02:46:22 | pmisfit | jacques: ok. mbtowcs is #ifndef USE_XWCHAR_STRING |
| 02:46:40 | pmisfit | jacques: long way of asking: do i leave Xlib.h alone or change anythign there? |
| 02:47:31 | pmisfit | jacques: i'm getting a "leave Xlib.h alone, whack these in uClibc instead" but i want to be sure. |
| 02:48:03 | jacques | pmisfit: you have to put the #if 1 block into Xlib.h |
| 02:48:39 | pmisfit | jacques: got it. thanks. i'll remove all other ifdefs related to these. |
| 02:48:40 | jacques | pmisfit: *and* comment out the wide char protos in the uclibc stddef.h (I think that's the right header) |
| 02:48:53 | jacques | oops, stdlib.h |
| 02:52:02 | pmisfit | jacques: looks like andersee already commented them out of uClibc. at least in 0.9.9. cool. |
| 02:52:22 | jacques | pmisfit: ah right, but there is one change you still need to make in there |
| 02:52:27 | jacques | chcking... |
| 02:53:54 | jacques | this part: |
| 02:53:59 | jacques | /* Maximum length of a multibyte character in the current locale. */ |
| 02:53:59 | jacques | #define MB_CUR_MAX (__ctype_get_mb_cur_max ()) |
| 02:53:59 | jacques | extern size_t __ctype_get_mb_cur_max (void) __THROW; |
| 02:54:09 | jacques | should be changed to just: |
| 02:54:15 | jacques | #define MB_CUR_MAX 2 |
| 02:54:40 | jacques | get rid of the __ctype_get_mb_cur_max stuff - it will give you linking errors later since it's not actually defined anywhere |
| 02:55:51 | jacques | somehow I forgot to put that in the howto |
| 02:56:05 | pmisfit | jacques: when i am done with this i will edit the howto. |
| 02:56:26 | pmisfit | jacques: no big, this stuff moves *so* fast! |
| 02:56:32 | jacques | true |
| 02:57:01 | jacques | speaking of which, I've been meaning to try xfree 4.2.0 |
| 02:57:27 | pmisfit | brain explodes from too many variables |
| 02:57:31 | jacques | I think it might compile now - jg and keithp are working on the ts stuff again |
| 02:57:43 | jacques | pmisfit: welcome to my world :-D |
| 02:58:42 | pmisfit | scoops brains up from floor and stuffs back into head |
| 02:59:04 | pmisfit | *sigh*. |
| 03:00:27 | jacques | :-) |
| 03:02:12 | pmisfit | jacques: is the iPAQH3600.cf really needed for tux? |
| 03:05:18 | andersee | Any toolchain hackers about? |
| 03:05:44 | pmisfit | jacques: or can i omit it? |
| 03:08:10 | pmisfit | omits it. |
| 03:11:36 | pmisfit | watches x build scroll by. |
| 03:12:10 | pmisfit | gets horrified to see "cc" called everywhere, not arm-uclibc-gcc |
| 03:13:20 | pmisfit | man, x has got it's own wild little build system. dang. |
| 03:15:55 | jacques | pmisfit: I think it's needed... |
| 03:17:23 | jacques | andersee: what problem are you having? |
| 03:18:12 | andersee | global constructors/destructors dont work |
| 03:18:19 | jacques | ah :-\ |
| 03:18:45 | andersee | My current work in progress is at http://www.codepoet.org/toolchain/ |
| 03:22:33 | jacques | france was just on #handhelds.org |
| 03:22:43 | jacques | he has a lot of toolchain experience |
| 03:35:22 | Hiraghm | Hi |
| 03:35:34 | Hiraghm | http://www.laptopsforless.com/laptopcdrom/cdrw&dvd.htm |
| 03:36:13 | Hiraghm | is it possible to connect such a CDROM to the tux? |
| 03:36:52 | Hiraghm | Hi ibot |
| 03:37:02 | | i don't know, hiraghm |
| 03:37:02 | Hiraghm | ibot hi? |
| 03:42:04 | pmisfit | jacques: hmm. what RSneekes notes, i'm seeing too. even with __ctype_get_mb_cur_max commented out everywhere, *someone* in the xfree tree really gets pissed if they can't link to it. |
| 03:42:55 | Hiraghm | sighs, clearly disappointed |
| 03:43:45 | pmisfit | Hiraghm: no need for dejection. *anything* is possible, given enough time, money, and chemical enhancements. |
| 03:45:00 | Hiraghm | mostly tired. |
| 03:45:11 | Hiraghm | there was something I wanted to ask other than about that cdrom, and I forgot it 8c( |
| 03:47:18 | Hiraghm | Oh! |
| 03:47:24 | Hiraghm | Has anybody seen the new IBM commercial? |
| 05:02:46 | | there are quick messages already, it's only that noone knows about it |
| 05:02:46 | pmisfit | jacques: still there? |
| 05:03:08 | | jacques was last seen on #tuxscreen 1 hours, 40 minutes and 25 seconds ago, saying: he has a lot of toolchain experience [Thu Feb 14 03:22:43 2002] |
| 05:03:08 | pmisfit | seen jacques |
| 05:06:57 | pmisfit | oh well. |
| 05:09:08 | pmisfit | going back to pthreads-land for a while |
| 05:21:51 | jacques | sorry, was eating |
| 05:29:06 | jacques | andersee: are you here? france is available on #toolchain to help out |
| 05:33:29 | pmisfit | jacques: ah. small tinyx question? |
| 05:34:29 | pmisfit | jacques: step 8. which link line? i can find link lines generated by autoconf, but the way imake does it kind of throws me off |
| 05:35:33 | pmisfit | jacques: also, haven't been able to find where Xfbdev gets built (just found Xfbdev.o, not an executable) |
| 05:37:43 | jacques | pslooking |
| 05:38:07 | jacques | pmisfit: looking |
| 05:39:54 | pmisfit | jacques: thanks... |
| 05:54:35 | andersee | jacques: hi I'm back |
| 05:59:33 | jacques | pmisfit: sorry, work intervened |
| 06:00:05 | jacques | pmisfit: ok, the link line I am talking about is the final linking of Xfbdev |
| 06:00:14 | jacques | pmisfit: in xc/programs/Xserver |
| 06:00:43 | jacques | pmisfit: the Xserver is built last (I think) of all the stuff in programs |
| 06:37:45 | scanline | is away: I'm busy |
| 06:38:01 | scanline | is back (gone 00:00:16) |
| 06:40:14 | | andersee was last seen on #tuxscreen 45 minutes and 39 seconds ago, saying: jacques: hi I'm back [Thu Feb 14 05:54:35 2002] |
| 06:40:14 | TomW | ibot seen andersee |
| 06:40:45 | TomW | andersee: did you get the uClibc patch I sent via TuxScreen list? |
| 06:41:23 | andersee | havn't looked on the list for a while |
| 06:42:18 | TomW | andersee: you want them direct email then? |
| 06:43:01 | andersee | I'll get to it. Just been busy today trying to get the uClibc C++ toolchain going |
| 06:43:12 | andersee | Work in progress at http://www.codepoet.org/toolchain/ |
| 06:43:36 | TomW | andersee: No problem, just checking to see if you would have picked up on them on that list. |
| 06:44:06 | TomW | andersee: BTW, nice family. Lots of pix on the homesite. CUL |
| 06:47:54 | andersee | What was the patch about? I don't see any new patches today |
| 06:48:39 | andersee | From the 10th? |
| 06:49:03 | andersee | I fixed uClibc_config_fix.pl that day... |
| 06:49:58 | TomW | andersee: yes, it was the floats and the 'cp -af' because it wasn't overwriting the current libs. |
| 06:50:02 | andersee | And the link stuff doesn't really need to be forced, since failing to link isn't a failure... |
| 06:50:13 | andersee | Yeah, I fixed that a while back. |
| 06:50:36 | TomW | andersee: it was that I would get make stopping to ask "overwrite ..." |
| 06:51:11 | andersee | ?? |
| 06:51:17 | TomW | andersee: a minor annoyance. That is all I can deal with, the minor, stuff, the big stuff I leave to you guys. |
| 06:51:50 | andersee | You must have an alias for ln or cp or something in your global environment... |
| 06:53:33 | TomW | Yes, there it is "alias cp = 'cp -i'" |
| 06:53:42 | TomW | this is a Mandrake 8.0 box. |
| 06:55:17 | TomW | I like the safety feature of confirming an overwrite / removal of a file. I screw up too easily as I tend to move very quickly when developing code and don't take too much time to think about the small details. I leave them to debugging. |
| 07:14:20 | andersee | howdy BZFlag |
| 07:15:29 | andersee | BZFlag: http://www.codepoet.org/toolchain/ |
| 07:15:50 | andersee | BZFlag: Net yet perfect for C++, but getting dang close. |
| 07:21:59 | BZFlag | nice |
| 11:32:17 | | Since Tue Feb 12 23:48:30 2002, there have been 84 modifications and 105 questions. I have been awake for 1 day, 11 hours, 43 minutes, 47 seconds this session, and currently reference 4462 factoids. Addressing is in required mode. |
| 11:32:17 | file | ibot status |
| 11:32:32 | file | 4462 facts, oh my... |
| 11:49:14 | | scanline: what? |
| 11:49:14 | scanline | ibot: you have an evil twin now |
| 11:49:23 | | scanline: huh? |
| 11:49:23 | scanline | ibot: i have my own infobot now >:) |
| 11:49:39 | | OK, scanline. |
| 11:49:39 | scanline | ibot: PicoBot is scanline's infobot that lives in #picogui |
| 13:08:02 | scanline | is away: ZzZzZzzzzzzzzzzzZzzz |
| 15:18:50 | prpplague | morning all |
| 15:27:00 | pmisfit | prpplague: morning |
| 15:28:11 | prpplague | pmisfit: morning, having fun today? |
| 16:07:10 | cpenguin_away | is back (gone 16:02:38) |
| 17:00:21 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: A new sqlite is out... a few minor bug fixes |
| 17:03:20 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: thanks i'll check it out, btw i found my libfltk problem, somehow i got a libfltk-arm install in /usr/local/lib |
| 17:04:17 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: doh! I do that every once in a while. I hate it |
| 17:04:58 | CosmicPenguin | One time, I accidently installed MIPS glibc libraries in the default path on our X86 server... |
| 17:05:01 | CosmicPenguin | That wasn't pretty |
| 17:05:31 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ya i bet, i know i wasted about 30 minutes on this one |
| 17:16:21 | AlHazWork | http://www.linuxdevices.com/articles/AT8619741565.html |
| 18:02:49 | prpplague | AlHazWork: ya i was just checking that out, i've not done anything with the sh stuff |
| 18:03:06 | AlHazWork | prpplague: I've only done a little with sh stuff |
| 18:03:30 | AlHazWork | the development boads make it look like they had a hard time implementing it, but I'm not sure if that's reflected in actual designs |
| 18:03:56 | AlHazWork | just when i see a development board that's encrusted with tantalum caps, I wonder |
| 18:06:21 | prpplague | AlHazWork: ya kinda makes you wonder |
| 19:00:21 | BZFlag | http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS6520633003.html |
| 19:27:27 | boodle | is away: meeting |
| 19:39:35 | CosmicPenguin | is away: Lunch |
| 19:54:13 | Russ | AlHazWork: I did a design |
| 19:54:20 | Russ | AlHazWork: didn't really know much, but it works |
| 19:54:30 | AlHazWork | Russ: sh3 or sh4? |
| 19:54:37 | Russ | oh no, sa-1100 |
| 19:54:51 | AlHazWork | ah |
| 19:55:01 | AlHazWork | was refering to the sh boards I've seen |
| 19:55:28 | AlHazWork | the Aspen sh4 board is encrusted with tantalum caps, makes me wonder about how hard/easy it is to implement an sh4 |
| 19:55:49 | AlHazWork | stupid dotster . . . when do they update their registry? |
| 19:56:03 | AlHazWork | I changed my nameserver delegation at 7 this morning and it's still not live . . |
| 19:58:45 | AlHazWork | ugh, dotster says 24-48 hours. lamers. |
| 19:59:26 | Russ | A lot of designers go overboard on tants if they have extra board space for t hem |
| 19:59:45 | Russ | they can watch the behavior on a scope, and then remove them as they see fit |
| 19:59:56 | Russ | course, thats only usefull if you have a scope |
| 20:00:40 | AlHazWork | yeah |
| 20:00:53 | Russ | I really need to learn more EE stuff though |
| 20:00:56 | Lenolium | is away: Bed And Breakfast until Saturday. |
| 20:02:04 | Russ | I also don't know how to space decoupling caps, so I just put one on every digital Vcc |
| 20:05:23 | ssoucek | this will take a while :-(( |
| 20:20:50 | ssoucek | is away: in the search for food. |
| 20:47:15 | AeroSpace | I don't remember seeing 9 pages of comments on a slashdot post before. And it is only about five hours old. |
| 20:52:43 | prpplague | Russ: hey what kinda ee experience did you have before you tried building your own sa-1100 board? |
| 21:07:05 | scanline | is back (gone 07:59:03) |
| 21:09:02 | ssoucek | is back (gone 00:48:12) |
| 21:13:47 | CosmicPenguin | is back (gone 01:34:12) |
| 22:00:09 | sjm | morning all |
| 22:43:41 | prpplague | man this DMCA crap is starting to get really old and stupid |
| 22:44:04 | | serial cable is at http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/ActiveSync |
| 22:44:04 | sjm | serial cable? |
| 22:44:18 | prpplague | sjm: ya among other things |
| 22:44:30 | sjm | Yeah.... |
| 22:45:17 | prpplague | i'm afraid its going to hit me someday, after all i get paid to find winblows hardware and make it into linux hardware |