| 00:06:48 | scanline | is away: pseudofood |
| 00:27:35 | scanline | is back (gone 00:20:47) |
| 00:34:21 | file | your uh selling them now too? |
| 00:35:09 | BZFlag | yep. they just came in. |
| 00:35:19 | BZFlag | $30 + shipping. |
| 00:35:34 | file | neat'o |
| 00:54:53 | scanline | is away: digital logic lab... blah.. you know, 7-segment displays can only get so exciting... |
| 01:51:08 | | andersee was last seen on #tuxscreen 3 hours, 10 minutes and 54 seconds ago, saying: I suspect my wife would divorce me and folks would just go visit real sites anyways [Tue Feb 12 22:40:14 2002] |
| 01:51:08 | jacques | ibot: seen andersee |
| 01:52:49 | | no idea, andersee |
| 01:52:49 | andersee | ibot: see jacques? |
| 01:52:51 | | andersee: i'm not following you... |
| 01:52:51 | andersee | ibot: see jacques |
| 01:52:56 | | jacques was last seen on #tuxscreen 1 minutes and 48 seconds ago, saying: ibot: seen andersee [Wed Feb 13 01:51:08 2002] |
| 01:52:56 | andersee | ibot: seen jacques |
| 01:53:53 | andersee | jacques: something you wanted? |
| 02:51:48 | jacques | hi andersee |
| 02:52:07 | jacques | just wondering about the c++ toolchain |
| 02:53:21 | andersee | Its coming along slowly. :( I actually havn't touched it for a few days to tell the truth. |
| 02:53:49 | jacques | heh |
| 02:54:06 | jacques | still having linking problems? |
| 02:54:17 | andersee | I've gotten it to the point where I am now (finally) creating a shared libstdc++ |
| 02:54:31 | jacques | ooh, that's good |
| 02:55:23 | andersee | I had to hand massage a couple of header files to get that far. But something is still messed since global constructors/destructors have stopped working. |
| 02:55:47 | andersee | Right now, I'm working on libpthread |
| 02:56:28 | jacques | hmmm |
| 02:56:58 | andersee | Initial linuxthreads port is now working |
| 02:56:58 | jacques | I see you are adding wide char support too |
| 02:57:02 | andersee | yup |
| 02:57:10 | andersee | Should be going into CVS in a few days |
| 02:57:29 | jacques | cool, what's the big driving force for threads - mozilla? |
| 02:57:42 | andersee | Someone that is paying me. :) |
| 02:58:32 | jacques | excellent |
| 02:58:45 | jacques | I wonder what they want it for |
| 02:59:57 | jacques | I guess threads are pretty useful in general |
| 03:02:46 | andersee | I have one app I've written that uses pthreads to do async I/O and gets much higher performace then a single threaded app (even doing select, non-block i/o etc) |
| 03:03:02 | jacques | wow |
| 03:03:03 | andersee | Generally though, threads are used when they shouldn't be |
| 04:19:54 | mediumware | hi there |
| 04:20:37 | mediumware | I compiled the kernel using the buildroot script |
| 04:20:55 | mediumware | and managed to successfully connect to my tuxscreen |
| 04:21:11 | mediumware | I am not sure thought which is the right image to upload to the screen |
| 04:21:17 | mediumware | buildroot spit two files |
| 04:21:42 | mediumware | tuxscreen-image.jffs2 |
| 04:21:47 | mediumware | and tuxscreen-kernel |
| 04:22:02 | mediumware | I hope someone is on and can give me a hint |
| 04:27:22 | mediumware | looking at the makefile is seems like tuxscreen-kernel is just the compiled kernel image |
| 04:32:00 | andersee | yup |
| 04:32:10 | andersee | so whats your problem? |
| 04:32:25 | andersee | Do you have blob installed yet? |
| 04:32:43 | andersee | And DO NOT install one that you built yourself unless you have JTAG |
| 04:33:48 | andersee | One you have the precompiled blob installed, then use that to install tuxscreen-image.jffs2 as ramdisk and tuxscreen-kernel as your kerne |
| 04:34:08 | mediumware | ohh |
| 04:34:22 | mediumware | is a blob built as part of the buildroot script? |
| 04:35:52 | mediumware | also I don't have a jtag |
| 04:36:15 | mediumware | does that mean that I won't be able to install the kernel? |
| 04:40:20 | andersee | You _can_ build your own blob with buildroot. don't do that unless you have jtag. You don't, so don't worry about it. |
| 04:40:35 | andersee | Step one. install blob on your phone. |
| 04:40:39 | andersee | done yet? |
| 04:41:18 | mediumware | no |
| 04:41:28 | mediumware | I don't have a jtag |
| 04:41:33 | mediumware | is blob still the way to go? |
| 04:43:31 | andersee | If you want to install Linux, you _must_ install blob on your phone. It is a bootloader (like lilo on x86). No bootloader, no linux. |
| 04:44:01 | mediumware | I got confused because you previously said not to install it if I don't have jtag |
| 04:44:14 | andersee | nonono |
| 04:44:24 | andersee | I said do not build your own |
| 04:44:33 | mediumware | ohh ok |
| 04:44:43 | andersee | Grab a precompiled and known working blob binary. |
| 04:44:49 | andersee | Read this. http://tuxscreen.net/wiki/view//InstallingLinux |
| 04:44:57 | andersee | It is your bible for the moment |
| 04:45:06 | mediumware | :) |
| 04:45:12 | mediumware | I'm downloading |
| 04:56:53 | scanline | is back (gone 04:01:59) |
| 04:57:09 | foofoo | wow, over 400 units left. i'll buy one once there are only 399 units left. |
| 04:58:24 | mediumware | what if someone buys two at once? |
| 04:59:14 | mediumware | andersee: thanks for your help and the link... |
| 04:59:29 | mediumware | there's some soldering involved and I'm not in shape to do that now |
| 04:59:30 | foofoo | mediumware: then i guess i won't buy one. |
| 04:59:36 | mediumware | I'll continue tomorrow |
| 04:59:43 | foofoo | i get high from inhaling flux. |
| 04:59:58 | foofoo | soldering rosin. |
| 04:59:58 | mediumware | I get sleepy, especially when I already am :-) |
| 05:00:09 | mediumware | good night |
| 05:45:23 | jacques | that was strange |
| 05:47:15 | andersee | what was? |
| 05:54:06 | jacques | the exchange with mediumware |
| 05:54:42 | jacques | I think I'd read InstallingLinux about 20 times before ordering my tuxes |
| 05:58:42 | andersee | yeah. Kindof odd indeed. |
| 06:00:38 | jacques | well time to go to the hosting facility and play with backups |
| 06:01:00 | jacques | later |
| 06:26:22 | sjm | home time, night all |
| 08:03:34 | pmisfit | anyone up for answering a stupid dynamic library question? |
| 08:09:03 | derwood | anyone know how to build in the wireless-tools package with buildroot-tux? |
| 08:24:28 | TomW | Anybody home, or is everyone logged in but "not here" (as in the lights are on but no one is home)? |
| 08:24:40 | AeroSpace | I'm in! |
| 08:24:41 | derwood | i'm just trying to build wireless-tools in... |
| 08:24:51 | TomW | Life! |
| 08:25:24 | AeroSpace | I'm trying to get my postgresql oid higher than my brother, last I heard I'm still winning!! |
| 08:25:41 | pmisfit | derwood: what's the problem with wireless tools? |
| 08:25:42 | TomW | I just, finally, got finished soldering all those darned perf board connections. |
| 08:26:03 | derwood | well it's not in the buildroot-tux package... |
| 08:26:25 | derwood | so i'm trying to figure out how to get a disk image with the compiled apps in /usr/sbin |
| 08:26:38 | pmisfit | derwood: ya, most things i need aren't in there :-/ that's part of the fun. |
| 08:26:53 | derwood | right... gotta ship by tomorrow... always fun. |
| 08:27:02 | pmisfit | derwood: wow. ok.. |
| 08:27:28 | pmisfit | derwood: i do it the way andersee suggested for libz |
| 08:27:37 | derwood | ? |
| 08:27:38 | TomW | derwood: If you are asking what I think, you stick the files in the target-skeleton dir and they get built on the next go-around into the image.jffs2 |
| 08:28:22 | TomW | what day is this? Tuesday? |
| 08:28:25 | derwood | i think those are just text files... |
| 08:28:27 | pmisfit | like that. set your --prefix to equal ${STAGING_DIR} |
| 08:28:30 | AeroSpace | TomW: Wed |
| 08:28:43 | TomW | Tnx |
| 08:29:08 | pmisfit | hmm. how can i post a long shell script on irc...? |
| 08:29:29 | TomW | freakin PCMCIA crap had me going for about 3 hours, there is something wrong with that stuff someplace! |
| 08:30:04 | AeroSpace | pmisfit: #flood |
| 08:30:17 | AeroSpace | At least that's what I've heard. |
| 08:30:20 | TomW | Yeah, right, flood us! |
| 08:30:40 | pmisfit | nah, i'm going to try to be a bit less obtrusive... |
| 08:31:25 | pmisfit | derwood: here is what was suggested to me: http://www.246gt.com:8030/bc/zlibbuild.sh |
| 08:31:46 | AeroSpace | pmisfit: That's why the channel "#flood" |
| 08:32:02 | TomW | We used to have a file that we would cat to the "new guy's" tty (terminal). It was a bunch of ansi chars that made it look like you were playing a text / video game and they gave a crash dump message. Are you going to do that to us? |
| 08:32:41 | pmisfit | AeroSpace: hmm. thanks. gonna try that, but when i'm more awake, in case i screw up ;-) |
| 08:33:07 | TomW | cd #flood |
| 08:33:13 | TomW | cd /#flood |
| 08:33:17 | TomW | nope |
| 08:33:36 | derwood | yeah... that'll work...thanks |
| 08:34:50 | pmisfit | derwood: no sweat. good luck. |
| 08:37:08 | TomW | stares at TV |
| 08:37:27 | AeroSpace | doesn't have a tv |
| 08:41:30 | TomW | thinks that AeroSpace must work for InTel (all glory and no pay). |
| 08:41:51 | TomW | lights pipe |
| 08:42:57 | AeroSpace | TomW: Work, ya; I wish. |
| 08:43:54 | TomW | AeroSpace: No you don't. I got a buddy that works at a company that was purchased by InTel about 1.5-2 years ago. Like he tells it, it sucks. |
| 08:45:00 | TomW | AeroSpace: Today he was bitchin' that InTel pointy-haired bosses told him to pull all the linux boxes and replace all 200 of them with Win2K machines!!! |
| 08:45:57 | AeroSpace | TomW: I didn't say I wanted to work under that bos. |
| 08:46:48 | TomW | 8-) Why not, thrills, adventure, incompetance, what more could an employee ask for? |
| 08:47:41 | TomW | ... unless you are a type-A personality and you end up killing your boss and going to prison for a very long time? |
| 08:48:00 | AeroSpace | probably after I get A job I'll probably start looking for A job I like if that isn't the one I end up at. |
| 08:48:21 | TomW | Burger King is hiring, aren't they? |
| 08:48:43 | AeroSpace | I haven't seen any signs in my neck of the woods. |
| 08:49:08 | TomW | I am employed by a Kentucky Fried Chicken outfit for 4 days a month... |
| 08:49:33 | TomW | Which part of the "woods" do you live in? |
| 08:50:08 | AeroSpace | and I painted apartments for a summer, the dead kind. |
| 08:50:34 | TomW | California? |
| 08:51:14 | AeroSpace | a much colder place |
| 08:51:27 | TomW | Ah! Pennsylvania. |
| 08:52:02 | AeroSpace | MN |
| 08:52:32 | TomW | My Mom is from WI, she left there you know, too cold. |
| 08:52:53 | TomW | Married my Dad who lived in a warmer part of the universe... |
| 08:53:53 | AeroSpace | I hear California is much less smokey. |
| 08:53:55 | TomW | AeroSpace: You know why people in Detroit drive so fast on the highways? It is to outrun the bullets from downtown Detroit. |
| 08:54:26 | AeroSpace | Sorry, if that was a joke, I'm too tired to get it. |
| 08:55:07 | TomW | Ok. I was up in the Detroit are a few years ago and a local shopkeeper told that one. |
| 08:57:09 | TomW | MN, now that sounds like the cutting edge of technology. Don't you have a Governor named Jesse Ventura, or is that WI? |
| 08:57:27 | AeroSpace | I generally try to avoid downtowns. one way streets, no parking, no space, it just doesn't fit me. |
| 08:57:58 | AeroSpace | That's MN, and last I heard his approval rating was less than 50% |
| 08:58:28 | TomW | Hmm, he *did* say that he was only going to serve for one term... |
| 08:59:44 | AeroSpace | Is he still on his first term? I just moved here last year. |
| 09:00:01 | TomW | I like living in Pennsylvania, people here seem to have their heads screwed on the right way. But, then, we do have lots of escapees coming from NY & NJ that are screwing things up for us. |
| 09:01:05 | AeroSpace | good night, I'm needing some sleep |
| 09:01:33 | TomW | Ok, I am still wound after working all day (and night?). Later. |
| 10:26:58 | | jacques: San Jose, San Jose International Airport, CA, United States; (KSJC) 37-21-33N 121-55-27W 25M; last updated: Feb 13, 2002 04:53 AM EST; Dew Point: 46.9 F (8.3 C); Pressure (altimeter): 30.08 in. Hg (1018 hPa); Relative Humidity: 92%; Sky conditions: mostly cloudy; Temperature: 48.9 F (9.4 C); Visibility: 6 mile(s); Weather: Mist; Wind: Calm |
| 10:26:58 | jacques | ibot: weather ksjc |
| 11:58:39 | scanline | is away: ZzZzZzzzzzZz |
| 13:09:01 | ctr | is away: bbiab - stuff to sort |
| 13:13:31 | ctr | is back (gone 00:03:57) |
| 15:26:23 | cpenguin_away | is back (gone 38:56:36) |
| 18:27:25 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hows life in slc today? |
| 18:42:11 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: moving along well |
| 18:42:34 | CosmicPenguin | Its cold, and we've got an inversion making everything smoggy, but other than that its all good |
| 18:42:47 | AlHazWork | How are the olympics affecting you up there? |
| 18:42:53 | AlHazWork | they haven't made a bit of difference in orem |
| 18:43:08 | CosmicPenguin | AlHazWork: Not here either (I live in Murray) |
| 18:43:23 | CosmicPenguin | I've even been downtown a few times, and its surprisingly easy to get around |
| 18:43:55 | AlHazWork | That's good |
| 18:44:25 | AlHazWork | the only difference I've noticed in orem is an increase of morons in vehicles with high centers of gravity |
| 18:44:45 | AlHazWork | who inexplicably flash their brights at me when they're behind me at a red light |
| 18:45:19 | CosmicPenguin | I'm so used to those morons, that I don't even notice it |
| 18:45:36 | AlHazWork | I'm Deeply Troubled by the fact that i have no idea what they expect from me |
| 18:45:48 | AlHazWork | never happens when i'm in a right turn lane or anything |
| 18:45:53 | AlHazWork | just waiting to cross at a red light |
| 18:46:01 | CosmicPenguin | I love it when some guy buys his trophy wife a 40 thousand dollar SUV with all time four wheel drive, and then she's driving 10 miles an hour in a snowstorm |
| 18:46:17 | AlHazWork | heh |
| 18:48:01 | AlHazWork | I am amused that they believe they're somehow safe in those things |
| 18:48:14 | AlHazWork | I guess in an accident they'll do more damage than they take, usually |
| 18:48:29 | AlHazWork | other than that . . . |
| 19:02:34 | AlHazWork | Actually, that's not true. If the accident isn't directly head-on, they're more likely to roll |
| 19:02:43 | AlHazWork | and most accidents aren't |
| 19:50:33 | pmisfit | ssoucek: it's me. |
| 19:51:14 | pmisfit | ssoucek: welcome. |
| 19:54:05 | pmisfit | goes to get some food |
| 20:02:44 | andersee | howdy prpplague |
| 20:03:09 | andersee | prpplague: I made a great deal of progress last night with the toolchain |
| 20:16:47 | prpplague | andersee: cool, i look forward to getting some c++ apps linked to uclibc |
| 20:17:31 | CosmicPenguin | I've got some really crazy code to test it with.... :) |
| 20:18:07 | andersee | fears |
| 20:18:33 | prpplague | lol |
| 20:18:42 | CosmicPenguin | Overloaded operators and such |
| 20:19:45 | andersee | I have a few little test apps I thre together that cram as much juicy C++ goodness as possible in. global constructors/destructors, operator overloading, iostreams, etc |
| 20:19:53 | CosmicPenguin | templates? |
| 20:20:12 | CosmicPenguin | Not that I would touch them with a 10 foot pole, but still.... |
| 20:30:57 | andersee | Hmm. dont recall if I used template classes. |
| 20:33:16 | CosmicPenguin | If you want a good example of C++ hell, try the mySQL++ package - its C++ bindings for mySQL |
| 20:33:38 | CosmicPenguin | They use pretty much every obscure feature of C++ that I can remember |
| 20:45:47 | pmisfit | andersee: buddy of mine wrote this to show off his mad c++ skillz. http://software.wwwi.com/mind . might be a good test case too. |
| 20:57:38 | ssoucek | is away: RFC (request for calories) |
| 20:59:29 | andersee | yea |
| 20:59:32 | andersee | $ ../gcc/toolchain/bin/i386-linux-ldd ./test2 |
| 20:59:32 | andersee | libstdc++.so.9 => /home/andersen/CVS/gcc/gcc/toolchain/lib/libstdc++.so.9 |
| 20:59:33 | andersee | libm.so.0 => /home/andersen/CVS/gcc/gcc/toolchain/lib/libm.so.0 |
| 20:59:33 | andersee | libgcc_sso.0.9.9 => /home/andersen/CVS/gcc/gcc/toolchain/lib/libgcc_sso.0.9.9 |
| 20:59:33 | andersee | libc.so.0 => /home/andersen/CVS/gcc/gcc/toolchain/lib/libc.so.0 |
| 20:59:34 | andersee | /home/andersen/CVS/gcc/gcc/toolchain/lib/ld-uClibc.so.0 => /home/andersen/CVS/gcc/gcc/toolchain/lib/ld-uClibc.so.0 |
| 21:00:01 | andersee | Now all I need to do is figure out why global constructors arn't working and I'm all done. |
| 21:23:21 | pmisfit | back to tux land again |
| 21:25:22 | prpplague | andersee: i'm really looking forward to try some fltk with the new uclibc |
| 21:26:28 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: which fltk version are you building apps with? |
| 21:34:58 | CosmicPenguin | 1.0.7 |
| 21:40:31 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: me too, but i;ve had trouble compling a couple apps on 1.0.7 |
| 21:40:47 | CosmicPenguin | what kind of errors is the thing spitting out? |
| 21:41:19 | prpplague | undefined references in the fltk.so file |
| 21:46:42 | ssoucek | is back (gone 00:49:04) |
| 21:52:03 | CosmicPenguin | Hmmm... I don't think the .so is built very well |
| 21:54:27 | prpplague | i think maybe there is something off in the makefile |
| 21:55:38 | scanline | is back (gone 09:56:59) |
| 21:59:03 | CosmicPenguin | The NBC olympics site is worthless |
| 21:59:14 | pmisfit | now building the FrankenRoot |
| 22:00:05 | pmisfit | latest buildroot and uclibc, but with 2.4.7 kernel, to try to get TinyX going. folly. |
| 22:00:34 | sjm | morning all |
| 22:02:35 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: its a rare thing to find something on pmsnbc |
| 22:03:21 | CosmicPenguin | The TV coverage is embaressing, and when I go online to try to get realtime results, they jack me around |
| 22:24:11 | CosmicPenguin | Wow... I have never ever been so excited watching DHTML |
| 22:24:34 | pmisfit | wow.... that actually boots. everything except /dev/wheaties seems to work... and /dev/ucb1200-ts produces data. |
| 22:25:14 | pmisfit | shouts "it's alive!" |
| 23:08:39 | prpplague | anyone here implemented anything using the wireless.h extensions? |
| 23:22:39 | AlHazWork | You know, proxim cards should work with wvlan_cs, just like they do on my notebook, and I've never even installed the wireless extension tools |
| 23:23:04 | AlHazWork | used to work with wlanng_cs before that stopped working for me entirely |
| 23:25:01 | prpplague | AlHazWork: ya we use the linksys cards and they run fine with the wvlan_cs stuff |
| 23:28:12 | AlHazWork | looking forward to trying out my proxim card when my new notebook shows up |
| 23:30:16 | AlHazWork | oi vey, I just found a weird bug in qpe . . . |
| 23:30:21 | scanline | is away: I am a fish.. I am a fish.. I am a fish.. |
| 23:31:11 | AlHazWork | fiddling with a settop that uses buttons on a remote controll to move the mouse around, moving the pointer up past the top of the display causes it to wrap around to the bottom of the display |
| 23:31:24 | AlHazWork | but moving it down past the bottom of the display just makes it disappear |
| 23:31:58 | AlHazWork | that's some quality UI code there . . |
| 23:34:26 | AlHazWork | same thing moving the pointer left, it'll wrap, but not when i move it right |
| 23:51:59 | pmisfit | is off shipping ebay stuff |