| 00:00:11 | CosmicPenguin | crti.o is one of the start modules - did you mean to build with a -c? |
| 00:01:53 | collord | tacking in a -c doesn't change the results... |
| 00:02:18 | AlHazWork | you are building with the arm-uclibc-gcc wrapper, aren't you? |
| 00:03:45 | collord | uh now |
| 00:07:28 | collord | thanks for your patience! |
| 00:07:35 | collord | ok, got iwconfig |
| 00:15:21 | collord | unresolved netlink symbols in the hostap module... |
| 00:15:37 | collord | guess i need a new kernel after all |
| 00:25:03 | bornet | yeah ? I'm "LARTed". Downloading the kernel and the root filesystem now... |
| 00:25:13 | bornet | s/?/!( |
| 00:25:19 | bornet | s/?/!/ |
| 00:25:22 | collord | oh please please build, my little loaded kernel... |
| 00:36:49 | bornet | ok. kernel and ramdisk are now flashed |
| 00:37:02 | bornet | but the system crash when booting ! |
| 00:37:35 | bornet | just after display the IR keyboard driver installed... |
| 00:39:06 | bornet | i will try to reflash, because it was stange : short time for the kernel and more longer for the ramdisk.... |
| 00:39:06 | sjm | bornet: toggle the power and try again - this happens to me sometimes too |
| 00:39:36 | bornet | sjm: I have allready try two times. But I will try again... |
| 00:39:37 | CosmicPenguin | first time you start up the jffs2 partition, it takes a while |
| 00:39:57 | bornet | CosmicPenguin: ok. So I don't will reflash. |
| 00:40:36 | bornet | BTW, I was having problems at 115200 with inferno. And I have flashed the kernel/romdisk at 115200. Can this be the problem ? |
| 00:40:44 | | andersee was last seen on #tuxscreen 2 hours, 15 minutes and 48 seconds ago, saying: bornet: use batteries, not a transformer... [Thu Feb 7 22:24:56 2002] |
| 00:40:44 | jacques | ibot: seen andersee |
| 00:40:52 | sjm | bornet: nope |
| 00:40:52 | collord | can I reflash the kernel without reflashing the ramdisk?? just wondering if a larger kernel would overwrite it? |
| 00:41:15 | jacques | larger than what? |
| 00:41:22 | collord | larger than the old one |
| 00:41:25 | bornet | wahoo !!! a 3rd reboot is OK... Thanks. |
| 00:41:32 | sjm | collord: yes you can - they are independent |
| 00:41:40 | collord | sjm: thanks, excellent |
| 00:41:53 | jacques | I believe max kernel size is around 900kB |
| 00:42:03 | collord | oops crap mine is bigger |
| 00:42:05 | jacques | I found out the hard way |
| 00:42:11 | bornet | great : a 2.4.16 kernel. |
| 00:42:21 | jacques | I tried to have ext3 and a bunch of other crap in there |
| 00:42:29 | CosmicPenguin | ext3? |
| 00:42:39 | jacques | yeah for my CF nards |
| 00:42:41 | jacques | cards |
| 00:42:46 | collord | heh |
| 00:42:51 | jacques | ext3 is big |
| 00:43:14 | collord | hrmm netlink, netfilter, ipv6, ipv6netfilter |
| 00:43:14 | jacques | I dont like reiserfs for CF because it has a fixed 32MB journal size |
| 00:43:23 | CosmicPenguin | I thought ext3 wasn't good for CF - it write to the journal too often.... |
| 00:43:26 | CosmicPenguin | Or was that Reiser? |
| 00:43:27 | AlHazWork | the kernel and ramdisk are kept in different chunks of memory before they're flashed, and in different partitions in flash |
| 00:43:41 | jacques | CosmicPenguin: d'oh, I hadnt heard about that |
| 00:43:43 | AlHazWork | you have, what, 768k available for the kernel? |
| 00:43:49 | AlHazWork | I ferget |
| 00:44:06 | jacques | AlHazWork: I think it;s like 900kB |
| 00:44:29 | AlHazWork | jacques: it'd have to be a multiple of the erase block size of the flash chip |
| 00:44:59 | AlHazWork | so 896k would make sense if we have a 128k erase block |
| 00:45:11 | collord | and is there some rule against using modules in tuxscreen land? |
| 00:45:22 | | 917504 |
| 00:45:22 | jacques | ibot 896 * 1024 |
| 00:45:26 | jacques | that's the size |
| 00:45:55 | jacques | CosmicPenguin: what fs would you use on CF? |
| 00:46:02 | AlHazWork | collord: No, there's so much stuff built into the kernel 'cause it would have been a waste of flash to not use as much as possible in the kernel partition |
| 00:46:21 | AlHazWork | that will become irrelevant when blob can read jffs2 |
| 00:46:34 | collord | ah okay |
| 00:46:40 | jacques | yes I cant wait |
| 00:46:51 | jacques | till we have a jffs2-aware blob |
| 00:46:58 | collord | unfortunately i brewed up a 998256 zImage |
| 00:47:13 | CosmicPenguin | jacques: Sadly, I use ext2 - but thats because I've heard these rumors (but maybe they're not true????) |
| 00:47:36 | jacques | hmm |
| 00:48:02 | CosmicPenguin | would love to have a journaling filesystem on CF |
| 00:48:09 | collord | let's see... nix reiser and FAT |
| 00:48:10 | jacques | there are instructions on the reiserfs site for modifying the source to make smaller journals, but they are out of date |
| 00:48:26 | collord | minix??? |
| 00:48:50 | AlHazWork | I'm sure if you paid hans to add support for dynamic journal size he'd do it . . |
| 00:49:05 | AlHazWork | collord: minixfs is a pretty good fs for small devices |
| 00:49:29 | AlHazWork | less overhead, less cranky about being uncleanly unmounted |
| 00:49:38 | AlHazWork | compared to ext2 i mean |
| 00:50:05 | bornet | how can I see if a specific Ethernet PCMCIA card is working ? |
| 00:50:09 | CosmicPenguin | AlHazWork: Thats the most important thing right there - protecting the CF against not being unmounted |
| 00:50:21 | sjm | bornet: plug it in :) |
| 00:50:34 | bornet | the system say : can't reset |
| 00:50:55 | AlHazWork | that's normal, the tux can't issue a reset to cards |
| 00:51:07 | AlHazWork | so "cardctl insert" doesn't work |
| 00:51:48 | bornet | ok. if the card work, must I see it with dmesg ? |
| 00:52:00 | AlHazWork | CosmicPenguin: I'd like to see a compressed journalled fs for block devices . . |
| 00:52:24 | CosmicPenguin | AlHazWork: I think *everybody* would |
| 00:52:30 | AlHazWork | tho with the falling prices of CF it's getting to be less of an issue |
| 00:53:48 | bornet | cool. i have start cardmgr, and the card seem working. dmesg give me : |
| 00:53:51 | bornet | eth0: NE2000 Compatible: io 0xf6000300, irq 47, hw_addr 00:02:DD:80:08:0D |
| 00:53:59 | AlHazWork | cool |
| 00:54:10 | bornet | now, I must find another ethernet cable. ;) |
| 00:59:49 | collord | heh reiserfs is a pretty big chunk-o-kernel |
| 01:04:40 | collord | what's with restrictions on kernel size anyway? a pretty large block to my utopian visions |
| 01:05:24 | AlHazWork | oh, early x86 bioses can't boot anything larger than 512k |
| 01:05:32 | AlHazWork | so that's why zImage is limited at 512k |
| 01:05:46 | AlHazWork | later x86 bioses can boot 1M or more, so there's bzImage for those |
| 01:05:58 | AlHazWork | Nearly every other arch in the world has no such restriction |
| 01:06:23 | collord | that's what i expected with tuxscreen... no restrictions |
| 01:06:46 | collord | err... and busybox ifconfig doesn't support ipov6 |
| 01:06:54 | collord | IPv6 that is |
| 01:06:59 | CosmicPenguin | collord: But you've only got so much room on the flash |
| 01:07:00 | AlHazWork | the restriction on the tux is that the kernel and ramdisk and bootloader reside in different blocks of flash |
| 01:07:19 | AlHazWork | flash chips are designed such that you have to erase one block at a time |
| 01:07:19 | BZFlag | if someone with jtag wants to fix that, they can. ;-) |
| 01:07:24 | AlHazWork | in this case, the block is 128k |
| 01:07:50 | AlHazWork | arm boots from the bottom of memory, so the blob is in the first 128k block |
| 01:07:52 | collord | oh, so it's a factor of blob? |
| 01:07:57 | BZFlag | we should be able to do 128k blob+params then 4M - 128k of root jffs2 with kernel included. |
| 01:08:02 | AlHazWork | no, it's a factor of how flash chips work |
| 01:08:18 | collord | right but couldn't blob just map more blocks for kernel use? |
| 01:08:18 | AlHazWork | you can't erase a single sector |
| 01:08:25 | AlHazWork | Oh, yes, you could |
| 01:08:32 | AlHazWork | but it would mean having less space for the ramdisk |
| 01:08:51 | AlHazWork | since a lot of stuff can be modular and reside in the ramdisk, it doesn't make sense |
| 01:08:59 | BZFlag | better to just map it all to jffs2 and have the kernel modular so folks can just delete the modules they don't need. |
| 01:09:09 | CosmicPenguin | BZFlag: true |
| 01:09:12 | AlHazWork | unless you've got a psychological aversion to modules that you need to massage |
| 01:09:34 | collord | nope not me |
| 01:09:53 | AlHazWork | Some people do for some reason |
| 01:10:26 | AlHazWork | But yes, it will all be moot when blob can just read jffs2 |
| 01:11:31 | collord | linux == waiting |
| 01:12:18 | AlHazWork | I'd rather not use an initrd if i can avoid it, and sometimes it's Just Easier to build usb modules into the kernel than fiddle with hotplugging daemons and that ilk, beyond that i like modules better for the level of controll it gives me |
| 01:14:34 | AlHazWork | but for some reason i run into a lot of people who are module-averse for no clear reason |
| 01:14:38 | CosmicPenguin | Time to head home..... tommorrow is a big day |
| 01:14:50 | AlHazWork | CosmicPenguin: I hope that's a good thing |
| 01:14:58 | AlHazWork | I oughta head home too . . |
| 01:15:01 | CosmicPenguin | AlHazWork: Olympics |
| 01:15:08 | AlHazWork | Oh, that |
| 01:15:22 | AlHazWork | that beer & sports thing |
| 01:15:45 | AlHazWork | i live 5 miles from lineo, i just hope it doesn't affect my commute much :) |
| 01:15:49 | file | 4.07 BogoMIPS, hahahahahahaha |
| 01:16:04 | collord | poop... the prism2 module loads but no interface found |
| 01:16:19 | CosmicPenguin | I just hope the last six years of scandals and orange cones have been worth it |
| 01:16:23 | AlHazWork | no interface found? |
| 01:16:31 | CosmicPenguin | collord: The prism probably complained about the VCC |
| 01:16:32 | AlHazWork | CosmicPenguin: I'm bemused by the "scandals" |
| 01:16:42 | CosmicPenguin | As am I |
| 01:16:42 | collord | CosmicPenguin why would it? |
| 01:16:55 | AlHazWork | CosmicPenguin: Every city that's ever hosted the olympics has done as much or more to grease the IOC |
| 01:17:03 | AlHazWork | Most of them had enough sense to sweep it under the rug |
| 01:17:06 | CosmicPenguin | collord: my experience is that the Prism2 expects 5.5 VCC. I had to hack mine so it wouldn't complain |
| 01:17:19 | AlHazWork | outside of the US and Canada, what we call "Scandalous bribery" is business as usual |
| 01:17:29 | collord | CosmicPenguin hrmm.. this is the DWL-650 that only wants 3.3v |
| 01:17:32 | CosmicPenguin | AlHazWork: Yep - Too late to worry about it now... the torch is in the valley.... |
| 01:17:48 | AlHazWork | CosmicPenguin: Is it ever. I woke up to the sound of explosions yesterday morning. |
| 01:17:50 | CosmicPenguin | collord: I know... but the driver only allows 5v devices |
| 01:17:51 | collord | CosmicPenguin no complaining, and it had no problem with orinoco_cs |
| 01:17:52 | AlHazWork | Farking fireworks at 6am |
| 01:18:01 | AlHazWork | "Come see the torch at a Chevy dealership!" |
| 01:18:19 | CosmicPenguin | AlHazWork: Its going right by my work tommorrow... I guess I'll go take a gander |
| 01:18:50 | AlHazWork | CosmicPenguin: when i checked the route and saw that it was going straight from the chevy dealership in provo to the parkway onramp to I15 in orem, I went back to bed |
| 01:19:02 | AlHazWork | I'm averse to crass commercialism |
| 01:19:06 | bornet | ok. After one evening with the TuxScreem, my impression is very good. |
| 01:19:14 | AlHazWork | which is essentially what attracting the olympics is all about |
| 01:19:18 | CosmicPenguin | AlHazWork: Welcome to the olympics |
| 01:19:28 | CosmicPenguin | Brought to you by Coke and Chevy |
| 01:19:32 | bornet | now, the basic system is running, with a Ethernet Card. |
| 01:19:45 | CosmicPenguin | But don't forget Black Angus Beef - the official beef suppliers to the SLC 2002 olympics |
| 01:19:55 | AlHazWork | CosmicPenguin: But there's no shoe sponsor this year, so everybody has to take the brand emblems off their favorite shoes |
| 01:19:55 | bornet | next things to run : telnetd, or better sshd. |
| 01:20:16 | bornet | but this will be another day. Thanks a lot for all the help. |
| 01:20:32 | bornet | must go to slept |
| 01:20:42 | bornet | bye |
| 01:20:43 | CosmicPenguin | AlHazWork: I'll bet Delta is pissed - the world will be staring at their arena, and they can't mention the name |
| 01:20:46 | collord | CosmicPenguin hrm... what version (when) of Prism2 are/were you using? |
| 01:20:47 | AlHazWork | (I'm serious, my sister is driving a Chevy UAV for SLOC, they told her she has to wear unbranded shoes) |
| 01:20:56 | | file: Moncton, N. B., Canada; (CYQM) 46-07N 064-41W 71M; last updated: Feb 07, 2002 05:00 PM EST; Dew Point: -4 F (-20 C); Pressure (altimeter): 29.99 in. Hg (1015 hPa); Relative Humidity: 51%; Sky conditions: overcast; Temperature: 10 F (-12 C); Visibility: 15 mile(s); Weather: Light snow; Wind: from the ENE (070 degrees) at 5 MPH (5 KT); Windchill: 1 F (-17 C) |
| 01:20:56 | file | ibot weather cyqm |
| 01:20:57 | AlHazWork | heh |
| 01:21:17 | CosmicPenguin | collord: I was using the latest cvs as of two weeks ago on an Ipaq |
| 01:21:40 | CosmicPenguin | mm... chilly |
| 01:22:11 | collord | CosmicPenguin: hrm didn't know he had CVS... mind sharing your patch/hack? |
| 01:22:21 | CosmicPenguin | collord: Lemme check |
| 01:22:28 | collord | danka |
| 01:24:20 | scanline | is back (gone 09:06:57) |
| 01:25:19 | CosmicPenguin | collord: I guess its no hack - just pass in the module option "prism2_ignorevcc=1" |
| 01:25:30 | collord | OK |
| 01:27:20 | collord | insmod: invalid parameter prism2_ignorevcc |
| 01:28:12 | CosmicPenguin | Are you sure its the wlan stuff? |
| 01:28:19 | CosmicPenguin | s/wlan/wlan-ng/ |
| 01:28:25 | collord | ignore_cis_vcc |
| 01:28:27 | collord | ah |
| 01:28:44 | collord | and no, I'm using Jouni Malinen's HostAP driver |
| 01:28:45 | CosmicPenguin | collord: Ahh... different package |
| 01:28:50 | collord | unfortunate namespace collision |
| 01:29:08 | collord | does the wlan-ng stuff do HostAP mode yet? |
| 01:29:14 | CosmicPenguin | I dunno |
| 01:34:28 | CosmicPenguin | has pissed off his girlfriend enough for one night |
| 01:34:30 | CosmicPenguin | is away: Uh, oh.. the weasel got out again... |
| 01:37:12 | collord | yes.. a tuxscreen AP |
| 01:38:22 | collord | w0w, the display is wigging out... maybe too much power draw? |
| 01:38:35 | collord | or RF? nahh... |
| 01:39:26 | collord | oh suck |
| 01:39:36 | collord | remind me why we can't have pcmcia resets? |
| 01:40:09 | file | sighs |
| 01:40:18 | file | collord: it's the way of life. |
| 01:40:20 | jacques | reset line not connected |
| 01:40:44 | collord | oh hrm... the prism2 driver doesn't need hard resets it looks like |
| 01:41:02 | collord | it likes to reset to change modes |
| 01:41:59 | file | good;bad |
| 01:42:05 | file | er good/bad? |
| 01:42:36 | collord | good, it looks like it's changing modes though it doesn't get the reset it's looking for |
| 01:43:08 | file | uh huh |
| 01:46:39 | scanline | is away: class |
| 01:49:12 | jacques | hmm display problem might be some sort of timing issue |
| 01:49:27 | jacques | there were (still are?) similar problems on the ipaq |
| 01:50:03 | collord | hrm.. i've heard the interrupt timing gets messed up with this driver on low-power procs |
| 01:50:32 | collord | jacques: the issues on the ipaq are with what driver/card? |
| 02:04:41 | jacques | collord: I believe they were with all wireless cards |
| 02:04:46 | jacques | but it's been a while |
| 03:03:01 | scanline | is back (gone 01:16:21) |
| 03:21:19 | Morn | is away: crashing, burning and dreaming in java... |
| 03:22:40 | pmisfit | finally got a working buildroot |
| 03:23:00 | pmisfit | the secret was to 1) use jacques toolchain and 2) NOT try to build it on an nfs server |
| 04:22:34 | pmisfit | anyone been able to build openssl-0.9.6c for arm-uclibc? |
| 04:40:04 | scanline | is away: stress releif in a convenient 640x480x8 package |
| 05:02:28 | TomW | jacques: Hi! how is it going? |
| 05:11:54 | | I haven't seen 'jacques:', TomW |
| 05:11:54 | TomW | ibot: seen jacques: |
| 05:12:06 | | jacques_gone was last seen on #tuxscreen 3 days, 3 hours, 24 minutes and 32 seconds ago, saying: ibot: seen andersee [Tue Feb 5 01:47:34 2002] |
| 05:12:06 | TomW | ibot: seen jacques_gone |
| 05:12:17 | | jacques was last seen on #tuxscreen 3 hours, 7 minutes and 31 seconds ago, saying: but it's been a while [Fri Feb 8 02:04:46 2002] |
| 05:12:17 | TomW | ibot: seen jacques |
| 05:14:38 | TomW | Anyone alive on IRC? |
| 05:17:44 | | anyone was last seen on #handhelds.org 97 days, 2 minutes and 52 seconds ago, saying: were you looking for me? [Sat Nov 3 05:14:52 2001] |
| 05:17:44 | TomW | ibot: seen anyone |
| 05:18:08 | | TomW: Something failed in connecting to the NOAA web server. Try again later. |
| 05:18:08 | TomW | ibot: weather nwrk |
| 05:18:37 | TomW | ibot: why is there air |
| 05:19:02 | | tomw: wish i knew |
| 05:19:02 | TomW | ibot: why is there air? |
| 05:19:19 | | bugger all, i dunno, tomw |
| 05:19:19 | TomW | ibot: why is there electricity? |
| 05:20:08 | | i don't know, tomw |
| 05:20:08 | TomW | ibot: what is it that you do know? |
| 05:20:55 | | ...but ibot's name is Billy... |
| 05:20:55 | TomW | ibot: your name is now fardles. |
| 05:21:03 | | ...but ibot's name is Billy... |
| 05:21:03 | TomW | ibot: your name is now fardles. |
| 05:21:28 | | tomw: no idea |
| 05:21:28 | TomW | ibot: what sex are you? |
| 05:21:50 | | OK, TomW. |
| 05:21:50 | TomW | ibot: Billy is male. |
| 05:21:55 | | tomw: no idea |
| 05:21:55 | TomW | ibot: what sex are you? |
| 05:22:39 | | no idea, tomw |
| 05:22:39 | TomW | ibot: what can you see? |
| 05:37:43 | collord | TomW is bored |
| 05:47:21 | TomW | collord: I just wanted to mess with the ibot to see what it "does" know. Ok, it has been a long day, I am bored now, not much stimulation. Maybe I should take up gaming? |
| 05:56:05 | | pmisfit: no idea |
| 05:56:05 | pmisfit | ibot: what is the difference between truth and beauty? |
| 05:56:36 | pmisfit | TomW: say, any luck with using the GPIO pins coming out of J602? |
| 06:02:37 | TomW | pmisfit: Not with the GPIO. That will be tested within the next week or so. I did get signals off the A0..A9, OE, WR, pins though by grounding pin 34. I plan to use that connector to control some hardware via a kernel driver. |
| 06:03:46 | TomW | pmisfit: I am still working on the schematic. It took me about 3 hours to devise a connector to J602 to bring those signals down to the perf board that the CPU card is mounted ot. |
| 06:03:57 | TomW | pmisfit: ot == to |
| 06:06:17 | TomW | pmisfit: I am documenting what I am doing on http://www.openhardware.net/tuxscreen. I wish to get the IR keyboard working, display contrast circuit, and the LCD as well. This will be for a demp with a current customer of mine (I am a consultant) so I can hit him with a forcefull presentation to consider the use of ARM + Linux in his systems. |
| 06:07:04 | pmisfit | cool. |
| 06:07:39 | pmisfit | TomW: ah the joys of trying to land a customer |
| 06:08:06 | pmisfit | TomW: thanks, will try the Ax pins instead. |
| 06:09:54 | TomW | pmisfit: ?? the Ax pins? You mean address lines? |
| 06:12:45 | TomW | pmisfit: are you a consultant? |
| 06:15:20 | pmisfit | TomW: i am an unemployed geek. i guess that makes me a consultant ;-) |
| 06:15:52 | pmisfit | TomW: i discovered a while ago that There Are No Jobs Out There. so... the only sane solution is to try to invent something and sell it. |
| 06:17:17 | TomW | pmisfit: lol, well you can only consult if they give you money! Otherwise, you are just hacking. ;-) |
| 06:17:33 | pmisfit | TomW: yes, the address lines. although i'd rather use gpio than have to add additional logic to deal with addressing, etc. |
| 06:18:29 | TomW | pmisfit: I didn't like the limitations imposed by the GPIO lines. These are bit oriented I/O and not suited for high speed I/O. |
| 06:18:36 | pmisfit | TomW: well, i am just hacking, then. until i can get someone to buy something off me, or hire me to build them soemthing. |
| 06:19:36 | pmisfit | TomW: if i was doing highspeed i/o, i'd want to memory map it, etc, but all i need is an interrupt and a couple pins. my prototype used a PC parallel port and works great. |
| 06:20:51 | TomW | pmisfit: I "fell" into consulting. At the time: 18 years of banging bits, resigned from a job of 8 years, was not ready to find another full time job.. I fell in with an outfit that was a Temp Agency for engineering talent and did some work for a company. Later, that company and my old company came back to me to see if I would consult for them. |
| 06:21:38 | pmisfit | TomW: in fact, for what i'm doing, tux is overkill. i was going to use the atmel 8-bit risc chips. but i'd have to write too much stuff that already exists on linux. so, tux becomes the thang. |
| 06:22:24 | TomW | pmisfit: Then, use one of the GPIO pins for the interrupt and then use the data bus interface for I/O. Be carefull, the GPIO lines of J602 are NOT(!) 5 volt tolerant!!! The bus interface portion is 5 volt tolerant though. |
| 06:23:30 | pmisfit | TomW: thanks. cmos only, eh? will i brick the thing if i blast them with 5v? |
| 06:23:58 | TomW | pmisfit: You can use register_interrupt to vector the linux interrupt handler to your function in your driver code. |
| 06:24:17 | TomW | pmisfit: YES! Watch the voltage levels. |
| 06:24:38 | pmisfit | TomW: my condolences if you found out the hard way. but MANY thanks for saving me from doing same. |
| 06:26:58 | pmisfit | TomW: since you've been 'round a while, i'll ask, resistor sufficient for connecting TTL to it, or should i use a cmos buffer or trigger? |
| 06:27:17 | TomW | pmisfit: Nope, been designing hardware for too many years to have overlooked that problem. The A0..A9, OE, WR, CS3 and D0..D7 signals pass through the LVCH162245 driver chip and that is capable of interfacing / driving TTL / ALS logic. It won't adequately drive HC logic unless you add a 4.7K pullup resistor to those lines. |
| 06:28:09 | sjm | My weekend just arrived :) Night all |
| 06:28:37 | TomW | pmisfit: HC logic specs a logic high at 3.5 volts, we are driving at 3.3 volts. It should work, BUT, add the 1 ma pullup resistor on the HC imput to make sure it crosses that threshold. |
| 06:28:57 | TomW | sjm: my weekend was yesterday + today. |
| 06:29:16 | TomW | sjm: Now it is time to get back to work! |
| 06:30:40 | pmisfit | TomW: again, thanks. hardware is not my strong suit. good tips, thanks. |
| 06:31:06 | TomW | pmisfit: If you apply the 5v sig directly to the GPIO pin, then the least that will happen is that the pin will eventually fail (few seconds to a few hours) and the CPU will still run. Worst case is that you will cause an avalange effect and Zap something internal to the CPU chip. |
| 06:31:47 | TomW | pmisfit: not a problem: information is free, the design isn't! :-D |
| 06:32:51 | TomW | pmisfit: if you hang loose for a week or so, and check my webpage, you can find out how I am making out. |
| 06:33:01 | TomW | pmisfit: with J602. |
| 06:35:27 | | andersee was last seen on #tuxscreen 8 hours, 10 minutes and 31 seconds ago, saying: bornet: use batteries, not a transformer... [Thu Feb 7 22:24:56 2002] |
| 06:35:27 | TomW | ibot: seen andersee? |
| 06:35:37 | pmisfit | TomW: i'll check it periodically, thanks. |
| 06:37:06 | TomW | pmisfit: No problem. I do have a list server over there that is fairly quiet (not much traffic), there are some good hardware people on that list and we can probably help you out with some hardware questions? |
| 06:38:29 | TomW | pmisfit: So, how can you be a computer geek and be out of work?!! I have been busier than I have ever been during this past 9 months. I don't know what this "recession" is that they are talking about! |
| 06:38:51 | pmisfit | TomW: well, i'm an *incompetent* computer geek, that's probably why ;-) |
| 06:38:53 | collord | it's spotty |
| 06:39:22 | TomW | pmisfit: Well, so was I, about 24 years ago. :-) |
| 06:39:28 | pmisfit | TomW: hey, if i had 18 years experience in embedded h/w design, i'd probably be rolling in $$ too ;-) |
| 06:40:43 | TomW | pmisfit: Naw, not rolling in it. To do that you have to find an employer that is scared and needs talent in-house. I make enough to make a living and to be able to use 40 percent of my time towards linux. |
| 06:41:30 | pmisfit | collard: i live in SF bay area. almost all of my friends are either out of work, or stuck in jobs they HATE but can't find any alternatives. |
| 06:41:39 | TomW | pmisfit: Also, I don't hop in the car each day to fight my way to work. My longest commute is about 30 feet from the bedroom to the kitchen to the computer. |
| 06:42:38 | collord | pmisfit: yeah bay area is certainly down by all reports. seems so. cal. is the only hotspot on the west coast |
| 06:43:11 | pmisfit | TomW: well, that's my goal. it'll be a long, hard fight before i get there. but easier with help from senior folks on lists/irc/web |
| 06:44:11 | pmisfit | collord: socal??! i lived there for 8 years. have friends/family there. haven't heard of any boom from them... |
| 06:44:21 | pmisfit | collord: what companies are growing down there? |
| 06:44:53 | TomW | I do a variety of work, I hate it when people ask me what I do for a living, I cannot explain it. So I just tell 'em "I will consider anything that is still legal. I have repaired commercial radios, designed custom hardware, maintained windoze machines, build linux + windoze machines, Delpi apps, designed embedded hardware / software ... |
| 06:45:34 | collord | pmisfit: dunno spec. just seems from what i've heard from people orange county is somewhat still growing |
| 06:46:00 | collord | I do "computer stuff" |
| 06:46:12 | collord | how's that for an answer? |
| 06:46:12 | TomW | collord: yeah, lol. |
| 06:46:37 | collord | if you say it with a straight face it seems they'll usually stop right there |
| 06:46:45 | pmisfit | most outside the industry don't understand it anyway. |
| 06:46:49 | TomW | collord: That is a good one, but one that wouldn't encourage a prospective client! |
| 06:46:49 | collord | especially if you look like you get 4 hrs sleep/day |
| 06:47:11 | TomW | and have hair longer than theirs! |
| 06:47:17 | collord | TomW: yeah, of course everyone has their telephone voice ;) |
| 06:47:51 | TomW | collord: mine seduces secretaries! 8-) |
| 06:47:53 | collord | and I can supress my nervous habits sometimes |
| 06:48:01 | collord | TomW: woohoo! |
| 06:49:54 | TomW | collord: that comes with time, being self employed is the whole thing: Marketing, Sales, Purchasing, Engineering, Bookkeeping, and Public Relations. A lot of differnet skills. You have heard that most small businesses fail within 5 years? Well is is probably that someone had a good idea but failed in the other areas! |
| 06:50:41 | collord | TomW: It's about taking responsibility for everything... there is no evil management to blame for this or that. A tough load some ties. |
| 06:50:46 | collord | s/ties/times |
| 06:51:02 | TomW | You have to instill faith in your client that you can do the job, and make them feel lucky to have found you (modestly of course). That is a real trick to do! |
| 06:51:45 | collord | Yes, lucky but there is a price to scarecity... some people like to see oh, he' |
| 06:52:01 | collord | oops.... he's a ____ of course he can do ____ |
| 06:52:22 | collord | sometimes a homogeneity to professionalism |
| 06:53:07 | TomW | Sometimes you have to "eat" a job to move forward. I got $50K for selling mytoys.com about 2 years ago, I spent most of the money on learning embedded linux, about $6K in developing an embedded solution for a customer who eventually fscked it up. I had to "eat" that $6K investment and take the units back... bummer! ;-( |
| 06:54:12 | collord | Risk is a deep, solemn issue. Risk management is one of the highest skills in all of life. |
| 06:54:21 | TomW | collord: Embedded systems work is a highly specialized area, enter it at your own risk / reward. |
| 06:54:40 | collord | would never disagree |
| 06:55:03 | collord | Except it's fun to tinker in, whereas international finance is a bit hard to... |
| 06:56:14 | TomW | collord: I resigned my last "real job" 7 years ago and decided to retrain myself in another related field as I felt that the Tiawanses / Filipinos would drive me out of that professiong (embedded systems engineering), but I was wrong. The OEM's still ask for my services. |
| 06:56:36 | BZFlag | TomW: re ohw-list. the ramdisk naming in blob is actually not correct. linux rootfs is mounted directly in flash. |
| 06:57:04 | collord | BZFlag: hey. |
| 06:57:16 | BZFlag | it is also possible to run an initrd in ram, but we use flash by default. |
| 06:57:20 | BZFlag | collord: heya |
| 06:57:48 | TomW | BZFlag: I will look at that, I planned to remove inferno and redo that page when I got the other two units in. |
| 06:57:53 | collord | BZFlag: spent the last day or so playing with tux... set it up as a full-on 802.11b AP |
| 06:58:26 | BZFlag | TomW: no prob. happy to see the tux spread to another group of hardware hackers. ;-) |
| 06:58:59 | BZFlag | collord: wlan or prism2? can you do a wiki page howto? |
| 06:59:43 | collord | BZFlag: only prism2 supports HostAP mode. Yeah I started one :-) |
| 07:00:07 | TomW | BZFlag: is this the problem line: "but it is the binary object loader that will enable us to place a kernel and romfs image into the flash |
| 07:00:07 | TomW | memory."?? |
| 07:00:11 | BZFlag | sweet. |
| 07:01:29 | collord | BZFlag: there's a project called OpenAP (Linux on Elan-based real APs) that I'd essentially like to port |
| 07:01:46 | BZFlag | TomW: I'm just makng sure you are clear on how it works. You did not actually say anything incorrect. I'm just adding more details. |
| 07:01:46 | TomW | BZFlag: I have been looking at ARM for two years now. I have two Cirrus Logic EVBs: CLPS-EP7500 + CLPS-EP7212 and neither is running linux (screw Angel) and the Shannon is the first one that works! |
| 07:02:11 | BZFlag | well, you said jffs and it's really jffs2, but details, you know. ;-) |
| 07:02:33 | TomW | BZFlag: oicky picky picky. |
| 07:02:40 | BZFlag | heh |
| 07:02:43 | collord | BZFlag: but be warned, if it happens, there will be a ton of orders from the community wireless people... |
| 07:03:08 | BZFlag | collord: well beter happen quick then.. ;-) aout 480 left at present. |
| 07:03:19 | TomW | rubs his hands together thinking of money he will part from his customer. |
| 07:03:55 | BZFlag | TomW: also you mention 4096 colors? |
| 07:04:00 | TomW | BZFlag: I may order another 4 units. I like the MIPS on that CPU board. |
| 07:04:17 | TomW | BZFlag: Yes, I should. I did that on a posting to my list server.. |
| 07:04:17 | BZFlag | is this what the panel is wired for? cause the software sees it as a 256 color palette. |
| 07:05:01 | BZFlag | TomW: yeah, I'm on the list. ;-) |
| 07:05:58 | TomW | Hmm, another lurker... I have 160+ people on that list and only about 20 ever post to it. |
| 07:06:40 | TomW | BZFlag: lcd colors = 4096, done. |
| 07:06:42 | BZFlag | heh. I've been lurking for a while. I'm actually working with a group that wants to do an open hardware ipaq like unit. |
| 07:06:58 | BZFlag | TomW: I'm not sure it's 4096 colors. |
| 07:07:11 | BZFlag | I know from software it's 256 with a palette. |
| 07:07:31 | BZFlag | I don't recall the panel capabilities, and I have not looked at how it wired. |
| 07:07:48 | BZFlag | I was asking if you had looked into it as you made the comment. |
| 07:08:09 | TomW | BZFlag: I want a webtablet that has a BlueTooth connection to my network. I am a Ham operator and would like it to be RF portable as well (above the range of 802.11 or BlueTooth). |
| 07:08:28 | BZFlag | sounds like fun |
| 07:09:18 | BZFlag | well I gotta get tonights shipment ready. back later. |
| 07:09:29 | TomW | It can be, I like to get on the 7.150-7.3 MHz & 18.110-18.160 MHz HF bands an ragchew with people around the world. |
| 07:09:40 | TomW | BZFlag: later |
| 07:15:17 | TomW | collord: Sounds like I'd better order those additional four units from BZFlag before your wireless people get wind of this unit? |
| 07:16:17 | collord | TomW: I dunno... everybody's been looking for a platform... maybe I won't say anything to increase the _diversity_ of things people are doing with tux |
| 07:16:55 | collord | TomW: and the 3.3v limitation is kind of a pain. then again, rangelan DS cards are only $50 now too. |
| 07:18:07 | TomW | collord: It is such and incredibly sweet deal! A powerfull platform for such a low cost! Too bad that the SA-1110 only comes in a mBGA package. That mBGA is going to make it a harder sell for me to my customer. He has a lot of through-hole (74XX) hardware right now. |
| 07:18:26 | collord | you're reselling these? |
| 07:19:25 | collord | hrm... i wish there was more cheap embedded hardware off-the-shelf |
| 07:20:35 | TomW | collord: Nope, but, I do have another customer that runs three Kentucky Fried Chicken stores that I converted over to linux about two years ago. I would like to get him away from the fullblown computers that he has and over to something simpler: simple HTML browser + Forms to have his managers input the daliy reciepts with + employee hours. |
| 07:20:58 | collord | ah |
| 07:21:18 | TomW | I may keep an additional four units just for that possibility, THEN I will resell them. |
| 07:22:27 | TomW | collord: Actually, the guy is more correctly known as my "employer", I work 24 hours a month for him part-time and he gives me an excellent Heath Benefits package in return for my services. |
| 07:22:40 | collord | creative |
| 07:24:19 | TomW | collord: I maintain his computer systems. Some months I don't work at all, others I work 7-10 days. Considering the cost of being hospitalized, it is a good relationship. And he understands the times I ignore him for a week / more as I am doing work for other customers. He knows how to "cry help" when he needs me... |
| 07:26:15 | TomW | collord: Services. That is what it is all about, you have to provide services to your customer. Some like a fixed cost, others want you to quote on a specific project that they have in mind, God! I love this stuff! I get to "play" and they actually pay me money ($$$) to do this! |
| 07:27:07 | collord | TomW: I'm ashamed to say I find some things are so boring I commit but then bail... a bad practice. |
| 07:27:08 | TomW | collord: What is it that you do for your "daily bread"? |
| 07:29:30 | collord | TomW: well like you a variety of things.. i was (~1/4 time) sysadmin and web app. developer for Loki Software (linux games) until this week... I perform many services for LinuxFund.org (which I whip myself for not spending more time on)... I've got a bunch of clients around town I do stupid network/systems setup/admin and web app. dev. for |
| 07:29:41 | collord | fun |
| 07:31:43 | pmisfit | is going nite-nite |
| 07:32:08 | TomW | collord: cool! I had a lot of jobs when I was much younger: mechanic (hurt my back), plastics manufacturing stooge (injection molding). etc, etc, etc. I made a pact with myelf that I would never do a job that I didn't like, nor would I stay at a job that I was bored at. |
| 07:32:27 | TomW | pmisfit: nitey-night. |
| 07:32:53 | TomW | collord: needless to say, I had a lot of jobs.. |
| 07:33:22 | TomW | collord: it sounds like you have enough variety to keep you interested? |
| 07:33:57 | collord | TomW: yeah... but it's not "going" in any one direction |
| 07:33:57 | TomW | collord: ... or is the proper word 'trapped'? |
| 07:34:06 | collord | TomW: nor is it incredibly stable |
| 07:34:25 | TomW | collord: your age? Here is 48. |
| 07:34:34 | collord | 24 |
| 07:35:14 | collord | just a bitshift away |
| 07:35:39 | TomW | collord: Ok, what I have decided in my careeer: do what you love, then you will succeed. If you do what you have to, then you will slog through life regretting many things. |
| 07:35:47 | TomW | collord: heh |
| 07:37:21 | TomW | collord: I don't mean to "preach", but which is more important: the BMW or the satisfaction of a life well spent? |
| 07:37:35 | collord | a KIA would be nice |
| 07:37:46 | TomW | collord: LOL! |
| 07:37:56 | collord | you're preaching to the choir as they say |
| 07:37:57 | TomW | collord: ROTL |
| 07:38:33 | TomW | collord: Ah shit, life sucks, you marry a b***h then die. |
| 07:38:48 | collord | that is admitting defeat |
| 07:39:49 | TomW | yes it is.. |
| 07:40:06 | TomW | I divorced the b***h! |
| 07:40:47 | TomW | sounds like you get to play with some interesting stuff though. |
| 07:41:04 | collord | that's one of the few good investments i can say i've made... a great relationship |
| 07:41:05 | TomW | question is: what do you want to do? |
| 07:41:24 | TomW | Oh, you found a "good woman"? |
| 07:41:34 | collord | think so... but then again I'm 24 |
| 07:41:54 | collord | yeah, what do I "want" to do |
| 07:42:04 | TomW | Go with it. |
| 07:42:11 | TomW | s/it/her/ |
| 07:42:43 | TomW | So you get a good 5 years, enjoy them, maybe you get the big prize: "her" |
| 07:43:22 | TomW | I'm still looking, the last one was too busy being the woman she thought that I wanted then being herself. |
| 07:43:28 | TomW | bummer. |
| 07:44:21 | TomW | collord: do whatever excites you. |
| 07:45:23 | collord | TomW: well that's how I'm a scatterbrain and spend time messing with wireless/this stuff instead of calling clients back |
| 07:45:40 | collord | focus! |
| 07:45:56 | TomW | I have a friend that complains that his wife makes more money than whet he does. She is a florist, and she makes silk flowers because she likes them, her customers reward her with their business becauze she does quality work. |
| 07:46:36 | TomW | Anyway, 24 is still young. |
| 07:46:59 | collord | there's a lot of 24-year-olds with houses too |
| 07:47:58 | collord | but really, how many 24-year-olds have stayed up till midnight classifying a database of 8,000 addresses into ISO country codes? |
| 07:48:25 | TomW | Not like me, I am still schemeing to get my own house. INVEST! Put your moeny to work in the market! $100 per month now, with an average return of 9% will yeild you over $1 million dollars by age 50! |
| 07:49:05 | TomW | This is "prime time" buddy! |
| 07:49:29 | collord | yep.. i'm managing to hit my IRA |
| 07:49:52 | collord | but frankly the last 2 years isn't a good time to learn about investing... now it's a bit better |
| 07:50:57 | TomW | I screwed up, I smoked a lot of my money in the late '60s early '70s. INVEST now! Stocks are cheap. Only invest in what you know: tech. Also invest in stuff that people need: garbage disposal, food, housing... |
| 07:52:14 | TomW | ... Then I got divorced! Half of what I paid into SSI went to my ex-wife who never worked. Plus, I paid off debt that I didn't know that I had for 6 years after the divorce. |
| 07:53:50 | TomW | Life sucks, then you die. |
| 07:55:10 | TomW | Maybe with the Shannon CPU card + my idea + my customer, I will get my house this year. Paid for, free and clear. |
| 07:56:41 | TomW | The secret is to BS the customer into believing that you know what you are going to do for them, then scramble to provide it to them. :-D |
| 07:57:02 | TomW | LOL |
| 08:05:06 | TomW | yawn |
| 08:07:51 | Error403 | greets everyone |
| 08:08:10 | Error403 | just wanted to stop by to bug andersee about C++ support in uLibc |
| 08:08:12 | Error403 | darn, not here |
| 08:09:55 | TomW | Error403: What is C++, some new language? |
| 08:10:40 | Error403 | I don't know, I heard it about it on AOL :) |
| 08:11:25 | collord | alright... 'night |
| 08:13:16 | Error403 | TomW: I see you have uCLinux on your site, is that related to uLibc? |
| 08:14:25 | TomW | Error403: No, it is linux for 32 bit CPUs that don't have and MMU: ARM7TDMI & M68K (DragonBall) and others. |
| 08:14:40 | TomW | s/and/an/ |
| 08:14:59 | Error403 | ahh |
| 08:15:12 | Error403 | hmm, 2.0 |
| 08:15:21 | Error403 | wow, why 2.0? :/ |
| 08:15:42 | Error403 | I suppose it doesn't need much more, but still :) |
| 08:16:31 | TomW | Some restrictions on vfork, etc. 2.0.38 was the first real release of uClinux. Then, we had a lapse of time before 2.4 came out and there was a big push to do tha same to implement uClinux. |
| 08:18:36 | TomW | The whole uClinux thing (IMO) is hampered by the lack of participation by Lineo in supporting the open community. I got involved for about two years and finally gave up in disgust. There is no way that we can update the "offical" website and Lineo has badly neglected it. |
| 08:20:40 | scanline | is back (gone 03:40:37) |
| 08:22:16 | Error403 | TomW: ahh |
| 08:22:23 | Error403 | TomW: Why is it so close to lineo? |
| 08:23:24 | TomW | Long story: Some fellows had a company called RT-Controls, they got bought by Lineo. |
| 08:23:41 | Error403 | :( |
| 08:25:01 | TomW | Yup. One guy became VP of Devolopment, the other ??. The whole project was in trouble as Lineo wanted their customers to pay for the answers and not go to the public webiste for them. |
| 08:26:01 | TomW | So, Lineo "offically" ignored the website, and mailing list, so that the information would be "controlled". |
| 08:26:40 | Error403 | Yeah, when Lineo gave their presentation at the Sharp symposium I didn't really like their attitude. |
| 08:27:42 | TomW | I was spending more time at answering the same questions over, and over, and over again as we could not have root access to the webserver (or any other access) to maintain an FAQ on the "offical" site. |
| 08:28:40 | Error403 | wow, now *that's* mean |
| 08:28:49 | Error403 | Why did they get control over the domain? |
| 08:29:09 | Error403 | was that in the signed agreement of aquiring the company? |
| 08:29:09 | BZFlag | TomW: talk to erik@codepoet.org about taking it over. He's maintaining busybox.net and uclibc.org now. |
| 08:29:31 | TomW | Easy, it was registered by RT-Controls that was the origin of uClinux. |
| 08:30:22 | Error403 | TomW: No, I mean why did Lineo get control over the domain? Because they aquired RT-Controls? |
| 08:30:51 | BZFlag | Error403: yes. |
| 08:30:54 | Error403 | BZFlag: ahh |
| 08:31:29 | Error403 | BZFlag: Say, any ideas on how to get my MMC->PCMCIA adapter to work in the TuxScreen? (yes, it is 3.3v) |
| 08:31:32 | TomW | BZFlag: Erik and I have talked about this, also I have had discussions with Greg Ungerer and Erwin Authried about this situation. They, along with David McCullough, have been primary movers (of late) in uClijnux. We don't see an immediate resolution except to break away an "hijack" uClinux. |
| 08:32:09 | Error403 | BZFlag: (Since I revived my TuxScreen) |
| 08:34:04 | BZFlag | michael is still the admin contact, he could move it. |
| 08:34:24 | TomW | BZFlag: Erik got shafted by Lineo, I "spoke" with him shortly after it happened. All-in-all, do you wonder why I am now forcefully interested in the ARM4 chips? |
| 08:36:02 | BZFlag | erik and I keep in close touch. |
| 08:36:15 | BZFlag | he used to work for me at a previous job. |
| 08:36:20 | BZFlag | and he got me in at lineo. |
| 08:36:43 | TomW | BZFlag: Another position that Lineo took was their support of FSM Labs in crushing RTAI. Shit(!), I have prior art on that! I was doing that sort of stuff back in 1992! |
| 08:37:34 | BZFlag | that was political. we had a paying contact that insisted on a license to remove any possible liability. |
| 08:38:13 | TomW | I plan on an RTAI implementation with the original company that I developed the technique with, just let them try and stop us! We have the source code to prove this! |
| 08:39:21 | BZFlag | Lineo won't try to stop you as far as I know/ |
| 08:39:51 | TomW | Ok, I am cooled down. I just hate patent restirctions on what I can envision. :-( |
| 08:39:57 | BZFlag | I agree |
| 08:40:10 | TomW | I live to code. |
| 08:40:17 | BZFlag | heh. |
| 08:40:56 | TomW | :-) it is like I am building a house, but I don't have to goto the lumber yard to get my materials. and.. when I need a tool, I build it. |
| 08:41:32 | TomW | life is good (if you don't marry my ex-wife :-( |
| 08:43:51 | TomW | BZFlag: AFAIK, Lineo (AKA FSM Labs) will not stop an RTAI implementation if it is based on Linux? |
| 08:44:27 | TomW | BZFlag: ... They only are after the WinNT RTOS? |
| 08:52:10 | BZFlag | as I understand it, FSM has the "patent". Lineo bought a bogus license to it. |
| 08:54:28 | TomW | yes, I had understood that Linus had a discussion with Yanamirdon (?) about any attempt to enforce a patent claim against linux + rtai. |
| 08:56:22 | TomW | Hmmpf, me in my ingnorance had posted to the uClinux list about my prior art claim and was advised by a "Lineo representative" to wait as they "were looking into this". DUH! |
| 08:57:07 | TomW | Maybe I should contact Steve Balmer? ROTFLMAO... |
| 08:58:56 | TomW | RTLinux == perversion. |
| 09:03:38 | TomW | yawns, stretches. |
| 09:04:07 | TomW | The thought of my bed is awfully comforting.. |
| 09:04:14 | TomW | later all |
| 09:04:26 | TomW | is away: sleep.. |
| 10:44:35 | bhima | yawns. |
| 12:43:30 | Morn | is away: breakfast |
| 13:04:01 | Morn | is back (gone 00:17:50) |
| 13:42:54 | aDvTraCK | hi all |
| 13:43:02 | aDvTraCK | i have a question |
| 13:49:52 | aDvTraCK | any person can help me ? |
| 15:12:17 | prpplague | morning all |
| 15:14:48 | prpplague | you know folks, i don't mind being awakened at 6am by the trash truck, or a barking dog, or a beautiful woman in my bed, but i really hate getting a call a 6am with some saying that a customers network is down, that just bites |
| 15:34:34 | CosmicPenguin | is back (gone 14:00:02) |
| 15:34:43 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: morning |
| 15:34:54 | CosmicPenguin | Good morning |
| 15:34:58 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hows life in the bee hive state today? |
| 15:35:20 | CosmicPenguin | Its a little busy - I guess there is something big going on today? |
| 15:35:33 | prpplague | lol, i wonder what? |
| 15:35:54 | prpplague | lug meeting? |
| 15:36:04 | CosmicPenguin | That must be it.. :) |
| 15:38:59 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: will be online tomorrow? i need someone to tell me RTFM when i ask stupid questions about pixil..... |
| 15:49:17 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: I doubt I will.... its a busy weekend |
| 15:50:57 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: darn, well i guess i'll have to stumble through pixil fun by myself |
| 15:57:35 | CosmicPenguin | Sorry... any weekend but these two weekends |
| 15:57:56 | CosmicPenguin | its not often Utah gets to party - I will probably never have the chance to walk about downtown with a beer again |
| 15:58:10 | prpplague | lol |
| 16:13:50 | aDvTraCK | hi |
| 16:18:01 | Black-Lie | HEHEHHHEEHH |
| 16:18:41 | CosmicPenguin | Hmm.... we get all types |
| 16:19:10 | prpplague | that was fun |
| 16:45:52 | aDvTraCK | hi any people can help me ? |
| 16:54:00 | AeroSpace | aDvTraCK: Nope, we can't help those who don't even know what they need help with. |
| 16:55:10 | aDvTraCK | mmm tuxscree cost 99 $ ? |
| 16:56:00 | AeroSpace | aDvTraCK: + shipping, that's what the web page says. |
| 16:56:42 | aDvTraCK | mmmm this price include all the phone ? |
| 16:58:54 | AeroSpace | aDvTraCK: I'm not sure what you mean by that, but someplace on the web page it lists everything you get. It is a standalone unit and has everythingn you need if you want to use it as such. |
| 16:59:29 | aDvTraCK | mmm the problem is iam spanish |
| 16:59:30 | aDvTraCK | xD |
| 16:59:41 | aDvTraCK | and i dont understand very well |
| 17:01:36 | AeroSpace | aDvTraCK: Ever heard of bable fish? It might help you out, but I would think you would have problems trying to follow the detailed instructions to put Linux on it, if that is what you wanted. |
| 17:02:00 | aDvTraCK | thx AeroSpace |
| 17:02:11 | AeroSpace | aDvTraCK: good luck |
| 17:02:18 | aDvTraCK | i will buy 10 xD |
| 17:03:01 | AeroSpace | aDvTraCK: What were you wanting to use them for? |
| 17:03:58 | aDvTraCK | for |
| 17:04:01 | aDvTraCK | wireless lan |
| 17:04:19 | aDvTraCK | as a phone |
| 17:05:36 | AeroSpace | aDvTraCK: They only have 4MB of storage space, so hopefully what you want will fit in that. |
| 17:08:47 | aDvTraCK | mmm |
| 17:11:03 | aDvTraCK | mmm a linux |
| 17:11:04 | aDvTraCK | xD |
| 17:11:11 | aDvTraCK | with h323 packet |
| 17:11:30 | aDvTraCK | to use voiceip |
| 17:13:25 | AeroSpace | aDvTraCK: You'll have to ask around. I don't think Linux has drivers to use sound yet. Without sound drivers, the telephone will only work with the US style POT system (public analog telephone system). |
| 17:26:39 | AlHazWork | i think gpsfan, etc, have managed to mod the phone so that voip could maybe work |
| 17:26:53 | AlHazWork | sound driver is easy, it's built into the cpu, already got one |
| 17:27:03 | AlHazWork | well, sorta, its in the ucb1200 driver |
| 17:27:53 | aDvTraCK | mmm interesent |
| 17:28:11 | AeroSpace | AlHazWork: Wait, I was under the impression that sound wasn't working? So, I can play wave files out the speaker phone and record with the mic now? |
| 17:28:31 | AlHazWork | AeroSpace: with the shanip2 mod, yes |
| 17:28:37 | AlHazWork | iirc |
| 17:29:20 | CosmicPenguin | AeroSpace: Yeah, you need a hardware mod |
| 17:30:45 | AeroSpace | CosmicPenguin: What does that involve? Hooking up a speaker/mic? Is it just a matter of getting the already provided speaker/mic working that's the problem? |
| 17:31:26 | CosmicPenguin | AeroSpace: Check the Wiki for maximum details - but if I recall, there was no actual trace from the UCB to the speaker |
| 17:50:38 | scanline | is away: I'm busy |
| 17:50:46 | scanline | is back (gone 00:00:08) |
| 17:58:30 | prpplague | scanline: you to hear a good one? |
| 17:58:45 | scanline | prpplague: hm? |
| 17:59:12 | prpplague | scanline: i was talking about picoqui at a managers meeting, someone asked if it was a new mexican salsa |
| 17:59:28 | scanline | hahahaha |
| 17:59:36 | CosmicPenguin | picogui - its not just for burritos anymore |
| 17:59:41 | prpplague | lol |
| 17:59:46 | scanline | changes the topic in #picogui |
| 18:51:38 | scanline | is away: class |
| 20:08:43 | Morn | hey |
| 20:30:23 | Tangent | Morn : Hi |
| 20:54:22 | Morn | what's up? |
| 20:54:27 | Morn | I hate Samba! |
| 20:54:32 | Morn | there I said it! |
| 20:58:22 | CosmicPenguin | Morn: thats impressive... it takes alot for you to hate something |
| 20:58:27 | CosmicPenguin | I mean, you even like Java (gasp!) |
| 20:58:39 | Morn | giggle |
| 20:58:48 | Morn | for some reason I can get to my home dir, but I can't print! |
| 20:58:56 | Morn | and printing is supposed to allow guest access |
| 20:59:00 | Morn | and it says access denied |
| 21:00:08 | AeroSpace | Morn: Is it allowed to your user? samba is screwed up, you can allow it to guest access and if you happen to have a valid user, but bad password it locks you out completely. |
| 21:00:30 | Morn | AeroSpace: I can connect to my home dir fine from the same machine |
| 21:00:35 | Morn | so I assume my passwd is right |
| 21:02:25 | Russ|werk | Morn: I can do that stuff |
| 21:02:35 | Russ|werk | you can do a lot of neato things |
| 21:02:47 | Russ|werk | I have a machine, you plug drives into it, then go on the network |
| 21:02:55 | Morn | hold on, it's trying to use my windows username instead of the unix one (which I told it to use for the home dir) |
| 21:03:12 | Morn | how do I tell windows to connect to the printer with a different username... sigh |
| 21:03:16 | Russ|werk | open up //crabtree/hdc1, it mounts it, do stuff, close it, it unmounts it |
| 21:03:31 | Russ|werk | then, open up //crabtree/halt, and the machine halts |
| 21:03:49 | Russ|werk | Morn: oh yea, the username thing is a bunch of crap |
| 21:04:14 | Morn | I want printing to be guest access anyway |
| 21:04:24 | Morn | all this so my roommate can print some directions |
| 21:04:25 | Morn | argh! |
| 21:06:32 | Morn | BTW: turning samba up to level 10 in debug is really a mess |
| 21:06:36 | Morn | talk about a log file! |
| 21:07:10 | AlHazWork | Morn: maybe it would be easier to install an lpr client on the windows box . . . |
| 21:07:26 | Morn | It would except my roommate would have a fit |
| 21:07:32 | Morn | she's very 'windows' in nature |
| 21:08:03 | AlHazWork | hmm |
| 21:08:18 | Morn | cups supports internet printing right? |
| 21:08:20 | AlHazWork | so she wants it to appear in "network neighborhood" |
| 21:08:22 | Morn | maybe that's an option |
| 21:08:34 | AlHazWork | the lpr client i have sets itself up as a port on the system |
| 21:08:44 | AlHazWork | so you install a local printer and just change the port from LPT to LPR |
| 21:09:10 | Morn | where do I get that? |
| 21:09:16 | AlHazWork | 'course, you'd have to set it up for her |
| 21:09:21 | Morn | I can do that |
| 21:09:30 | AlHazWork | ftp://we.areb.org/pub/INSTLPR.EXE iirc |
| 21:09:32 | Morn | not that I have tested lpr on this server... |
| 21:09:33 | AlHazWork | maybe w/o caps, I forget |
| 21:09:34 | Morn | but... |
| 21:10:21 | Morn | it was all caps |
| 21:10:31 | Morn | I'll try that |
| 21:27:49 | AlHazWork | it's an lpr client written at some university |
| 21:28:04 | AlHazWork | originally it was free for anyone. Then it was free for non-commercial use. Then it became for-pay for everybody |
| 21:28:15 | AlHazWork | so i have the final free-for-non-commercial version on my own ftp site |
| 21:35:32 | Morn | hmmm, I went with the IPP method |
| 21:35:38 | Morn | and I can put jobs into the queue now |
| 21:35:43 | Morn | but they never get printed |
| 21:36:19 | AlHazWork | hmm |
| 21:37:14 | Morn | Feb 8 16:37:42 linux dhclient: DHCPACK from 24.151.8.219 |
| 21:37:14 | Morn | Feb 8 16:37:42 linux dhclient: bound to 24.151.106.45 -- renewal in 7 seconds. |
| 21:37:19 | Morn | that looks odd too |
| 21:37:32 | Morn | why am I having to renew my lease every 6-7 seconds |
| 21:37:57 | AlHazWork | odd |
| 21:54:51 | Morn | that lpr for windows program won't install in XP |
| 21:55:01 | Morn | it doesn't think it's newer than 95 |
| 21:55:17 | Morn | I suspect it doesn't like any NT deravitative |
| 21:55:24 | Morn | I wish I could spell |
| 22:00:14 | AlHazWork | hmm, bummer |
| 22:10:36 | CosmicPenguin | is away: Uh, oh.. the weasel got out again... |
| 22:10:43 | CosmicPenguin | is back (gone 00:00:04) |
| 22:10:55 | CosmicPenguin | is away: Off to see the olympic torch |
| 22:21:39 | scanline | is back (gone 03:30:01) |
| 22:29:53 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: just got those snapgear routers in |