| 00:25:53 | Error403 | sorry, back |
| 00:26:56 | Error403 | andersee: Cool, binaries produced with glibc won't be portable to ulibc, right? (I'm quite ignorant on lower libraries like this) |
| 00:27:30 | Error403 | BZFlag: Hrm, is there a place where I can buy them? |
| 00:27:50 | Error403 | BZFlag: I looked at the specs and they look impossible to make |
| 00:28:44 | Russ|werk | the jtag things? |
| 00:28:49 | Russ|werk | they are cake to make |
| 00:29:28 | Error403 | huh? |
| 00:29:47 | Russ|werk | get a perf board, a DIL with the right logic (AHC iirc), a small cap, a header for the tuxscreen, a connector for the header, and a parallel port header thingy |
| 00:29:49 | Error403 | They have all the circutry |
| 00:29:50 | Russ|werk | solder htem all together, and done |
| 00:29:57 | Error403 | hahahaha |
| 00:30:03 | Error403 | yeah, cake, suure :) |
| 00:30:14 | Error403 | I have no idea what you just said ;) |
| 00:30:30 | Russ|werk | I used an old printer cable, and one of those connectors from the motherboard to parallel port to connect to the tuxscreen header |
| 00:30:39 | Error403 | header? |
| 00:30:54 | Russ|werk | a row of pins |
| 00:31:14 | Russ|werk | alternatively, you could solder wires directly to the tuxscreen |
| 00:31:38 | Error403 | is this what you're talking about? http://TuxScreen.net/img/mvc-613f.jpg |
| 00:31:39 | Russ|werk | basically, you only need 4 AHC buffers |
| 00:31:52 | Russ|werk | which you can get in a variety of packages |
| 00:32:06 | andersee | Error403: yes, binaries produced with glibc are not compatible with uClibc |
| 00:32:17 | scanline | is away: food(sorta) |
| 00:32:23 | Russ|werk | TI next day aired me a free engineering sample |
| 00:33:18 | Russ|werk | ya, the connector on the upper right, I used an unmodified plug I got from an old AT motherboad to parallel connector |
| 00:33:35 | Russ|werk | I cut the parallel port off, and soldered the wires to the perf board |
| 00:33:46 | file | uh huh |
| 00:33:47 | Russ|werk | (the neccessary ones) |
| 00:33:53 | Russ|werk | then put my AHC DIL on |
| 00:34:01 | Russ|werk | my cap |
| 00:34:22 | Russ|werk | and then took an old printer cable, cut the end off, and soldered the appropriate wires to the perf board |
| 00:34:51 | Russ|werk | and then soldered the header onto the tuxscreen, and it was done |
| 00:35:09 | file | BRILLIANT! |
| 00:35:25 | Russ|werk | ? |
| 00:35:41 | file | smiles |
| 00:35:59 | Russ|werk | damn canadians :p |
| 00:36:08 | file | bah hum bug :p |
| 00:36:12 | file | leave my alone |
| 00:36:22 | file | I just spent 10 minutes trying to get a compile to bypass a library test |
| 00:36:40 | Russ|werk | that always sucks |
| 00:36:56 | file | and before that I spent 5 minutes compiling the library :) |
| 00:36:57 | Russ|werk | most of the autogen/configure stuff is still greek to me |
| 00:39:32 | file | dumb me |
| 00:39:37 | file | I forgot to set it to install in my home directory |
| 00:39:42 | file | runs ./configure again |
| 00:47:45 | ctr | is away: bbiab |
| 00:49:13 | scanline | is back (gone 00:16:56) |
| 00:52:08 | ctr | is back (gone 00:04:24) |
| 00:59:55 | Error403 | Russ|werk: sorry, I was down stairs trying to get my dad's tv to work. |
| 01:01:19 | Error403 | Russ|werk: Can you please give me detailed instructions? (I'm not at all a hardware expert and my soldering equipment really sucks) I'd like to get my TuxScreen back to life so I can make some applications for this thing |
| 01:01:28 | Error403 | Russ|werk: I have to go eat now, bbl |
| 01:36:14 | pmisfit | TomW: can i ask what kinds of signals are you seeing on J602? |
| 01:39:44 | | TomW was last seen on #tuxscreen 4 hours, 20 minutes and 23 seconds ago, saying: Hiraghm: doesn't look like any of the search engines have heard of zip memory either. What was the deal with it? A faster serial flash memory, or something? [Wed Feb 6 21:19:21 2002] |
| 01:39:44 | pmisfit | ibot: seen TomW? |
| 01:50:36 | Sammy | Good Morning ... |
| 01:57:36 | scanline | Morning Sammy! |
| 02:05:59 | Error403 | Does anyone else know how to make a JTAG? ;) |
| 02:15:01 | jeffrey_ | Error403: as i know is http://www.tuxscreen.net/wiki/view/Main/JTAG |
| 02:22:24 | pmisfit | hmmm is anyone else besides TomW working on the J602 i/o stuff? |
| 02:53:37 | william | hello room |
| 02:53:48 | william | how is everyones day going? |
| 02:54:45 | scanline | is away: homework |
| 03:17:45 | GPSFan | Error403: check out the following re JTAG http://tuxscreen.net/download/schematics/jtag4.pdf ftp://www.desertweyr.com/pub/Image13.jpg http://www.st.com/stonline/prodpres/memory/psd/html/fllink.htm http://www.fsforth.de/tools/jtagbooster.shtml |
| 03:20:54 | Error403 | hmm |
| 03:20:55 | Error403 | interesting |
| 03:21:24 | GPSFan | Error403: and if you are in oz. http://www.insightelectronics.com.au/products/xilinx/jtag.htm |
| 03:22:02 | GPSFan | Error403: each is somewhat different, some work with therir |
| 03:22:14 | Error403 | embedded technologies inc is 10 miles away |
| 03:22:28 | GPSFan | own closed source software, others are open source. |
| 03:24:23 | Error403 | the problem is that I just want a little connector like in the JTAG wiki picture, I want it to be cheap, and I'd like to be able to purchase it tomorrow |
| 03:25:00 | Error403 | GPSFan: actually |
| 03:25:09 | Error403 | GPSFan: I have a more practical solution. |
| 03:25:19 | Error403 | GPSFan: First, let me start with this |
| 03:25:22 | GPSFan | Error403: there is almost nothing cheaper then the one I built. (first 2 url's) all that I actually paid $ for was the DB-25 connector. |
| 03:26:02 | GPSFan | you can use a wide variety of ic's, I used what I had. |
| 03:26:29 | Error403 | GPSFan: When you flash your tuxscreen with linux (replacing inferno), does the Philips bootup screen get erased? |
| 03:26:37 | GPSFan | yep. |
| 03:27:07 | Error403 | GPSFan: Ok, does linux automaticly load (without user intervention) when you reboot? (e.g. do you have to connect it to a serial cable each time?) |
| 03:27:10 | GPSFan | when you first flash in blob, Infernal is GONE. |
| 03:27:59 | GPSFan | first step is to unlock the flash, second is to flash blob, third, flash the kernel & jffs2, then when you reboot you have Linux. |
| 03:28:10 | Error403 | yup, I already did that |
| 03:28:15 | Error403 | and I was in Linux |
| 03:28:25 | Error403 | but I shut the tuxscreen off and didn't turn it on for a few months |
| 03:28:36 | Error403 | and when I did turn it on it was just a blank screen |
| 03:28:54 | Error403 | but... what is your answer to my above question? |
| 03:29:05 | GPSFan | have you hooked up to the serial port, and does anything come out? |
| 03:29:16 | Error403 | well |
| 03:29:21 | Error403 | that's another question |
| 03:29:43 | collord | SO. i decided to back up my inferno image pre-flash and it looks hung... file is zero size... usual? |
| 03:30:09 | GPSFan | once flashed, linux comes up with out any user intervention. |
| 03:30:32 | Error403 | GPSFan: When I try "bind -a '#t' /dev ; rdp -s9600 -r', it just sits there and says "sending reset" |
| 03:31:12 | GPSFan | once you have flashed in Linux, you must use a dumb terminal (minicom) not Inferno remote. |
| 03:31:24 | Error403 | okay |
| 03:31:37 | Error403 | So I have to do that everytime? |
| 03:31:45 | collord | answer to own question: yes, just wait... must be a temp file or somehting |
| 03:31:45 | Error403 | (everytime I turn it on) |
| 03:32:14 | GPSFan | with Inferno gone, "bind....." is not going to find anything to talk it's special protocol to. |
| 03:32:32 | Error403 | GPSFan: No, I mean, I have to use minicom everytime I turn it on? |
| 03:32:41 | Error403 | GPSFan: (to load the kernel) |
| 03:33:15 | GPSFan | every time you turn on your tux, you should see the messages scroll by on the display. If you don't maybe something is hosed. If so look at the serial port, and see if blob signs on. |
| 03:33:29 | Error403 | damn |
| 03:33:35 | Error403 | yeah, don't see anything |
| 03:33:57 | GPSFan | are you sure you have the right baud rate? |
| 03:34:06 | Error403 | I've tried 9600 |
| 03:34:21 | GPSFan | 115200 for .4 & .5 9600 for .3 & below. |
| 03:34:51 | Error403 | GPSFan: I start up minicom and change the serial parameters to "9600 8n1" |
| 03:35:04 | Error403 | GPSFan: But it says "Offline" in the bottom right, is that normal? |
| 03:35:40 | GPSFan | Error403: what version of linux did you flash into your tux. BTW, my minicom says offline too. |
| 03:35:59 | Error403 | I don't know, it was back when tim just started selling them |
| 03:36:12 | GPSFan | try 115200. |
| 03:36:13 | Error403 | I bought one a week later (after the slashdot story) |
| 03:36:41 | GPSFan | so did I. |
| 03:36:56 | Error403 | gah |
| 03:37:25 | Error403 | switched to 115200 and unplugged it and plugged it back in, nothing |
| 03:37:31 | Error403 | I didn't do anything to the thing |
| 03:37:35 | Error403 | I barely even used it |
| 03:38:22 | GPSFan | did linux come up on the screen when you first flashed it? |
| 03:38:30 | Error403 | yup |
| 03:38:43 | Error403 | then I did a halt and shut it off |
| 03:39:01 | GPSFan | try pulling the batteries out. they don't last too long when the unit is off. |
| 03:39:16 | Error403 | I've replaced them |
| 03:39:19 | Error403 | nothing |
| 03:39:32 | Error403 | and I replaced them with brand new batteries from the store |
| 03:39:38 | Error403 | so they aren't dead :\ |
| 03:40:18 | GPSFan | I put mine in wrong once ant kept getting kernel panics. |
| 03:40:29 | Error403 | Well, I'm not getting anything |
| 03:40:57 | GPSFan | do you have any test equipment? like a dmm? |
| 03:41:16 | Error403 | oohh! |
| 03:41:34 | Error403 | I pressed the reset button really fast a couple times and got "Ø" in the minicom term |
| 03:42:14 | Error403 | ohh |
| 03:42:16 | Error403 | another character |
| 03:42:22 | Error403 | ÿ |
| 03:42:24 | Error403 | *sigh* |
| 03:42:35 | GPSFan | hmmm, could be random garbgage, try 38600 |
| 03:42:41 | Error403 | GPSFan: I have a voltage tester |
| 03:42:46 | Error403 | that's about it |
| 03:42:52 | Error403 | I don't know what a dmm is |
| 03:43:02 | GPSFan | digital multimeter |
| 03:43:11 | Error403 | not digital |
| 03:43:17 | Error403 | just alalog |
| 03:43:36 | Error403 | woah |
| 03:43:41 | Error403 | I got a lot of stuff this time |
| 03:43:47 | Error403 | (when I switched to 38600) |
| 03:43:55 | Error403 | .xxüØx.Øx.Øxü.x<.Øx.x<Øx..x.x.xüØx<x..xü.x<ØxØx..x..x>xà.x<x<x.x.x<..xxü.xxü.üØxüØx.x..Øx<Øx..xü.x<.Øx.ØxàØx.....x... |
| 03:44:17 | GPSFan | that looks like baud rate. |
| 03:44:28 | Error403 | now I changed to 19200 and it is doing wierd stuff |
| 03:44:37 | Error403 | it flickerd my screen |
| 03:44:39 | Error403 | cleared it |
| 03:44:47 | GPSFan | try 9600 again |
| 03:44:48 | Error403 | then looked like it was trying to load the kernel and failed |
| 03:44:52 | sjm | Error403: You have gpm running I bet :) |
| 03:45:03 | Error403 | hmm |
| 03:45:27 | Error403 | no |
| 03:45:30 | Error403 | no I don't :( |
| 03:45:49 | Error403 | there! |
| 03:45:50 | Error403 | YES! |
| 03:45:51 | Error403 | it worked |
| 03:46:00 | Error403 | but it never loads the kernel |
| 03:46:08 | Error403 | Loading blob from flash . done Loading kernel from flash .... done Loading ramdisk from flash ............ done Autoboot in progress, press any key to stop .......... Starting kernel ... |
| 03:46:18 | Error403 | is so excited he didn't kill his tuxscreen |
| 03:46:18 | GPSFan | can you interrupt blob? |
| 03:46:21 | Error403 | sure |
| 03:46:25 | Error403 | let me try |
| 03:46:38 | Error403 | ok |
| 03:46:38 | Error403 | there |
| 03:46:49 | GPSFan | then you prpbably should try re-flashing the kernel & jffs2 from .4 |
| 03:46:50 | Error403 | should I download a new tree? |
| 03:46:51 | Error403 | ok |
| 03:46:58 | Error403 | has some warm fuzzies |
| 03:47:00 | Error403 | :D |
| 03:47:04 | GPSFan | ;>) |
| 03:47:19 | GPSFan | what baud rate are you at. |
| 03:47:27 | Error403 | 9600 |
| 03:47:35 | Error403 | it didn't work the first time I tried it though |
| 03:47:43 | Error403 | release v0.5? |
| 03:47:53 | Error403 | wants the release with c++ support |
| 03:47:55 | Error403 | ;) |
| 03:47:57 | GPSFan | you prpbably have a bad blob, this may get tricky |
| 03:48:10 | Error403 | well, it looks like a bad kernel |
| 03:48:22 | Error403 | but you could be right |
| 03:48:40 | GPSFan | if blob always works, you need to flash the .4 blob, that will get you 115200 |
| 03:48:48 | Error403 | ok |
| 03:49:03 | Error403 | can I flash a new blob and then reboot and flash the kernel and rootfs at a higher rate so it doesn't take so long? |
| 03:49:15 | GPSFan | at 9600 it will take a looooong time to get the kernel &jffs2 in. |
| 03:49:45 | GPSFan | yes, once you have .4 blob you will run at 115200 for everything. |
| 03:49:49 | collord | is v5 kernel recommended though? |
| 03:50:11 | GPSFan | stick with .4 till you are comfortable with re-flshing. |
| 03:50:26 | Error403 | what's with .5 |
| 03:50:27 | Error403 | ? |
| 03:50:52 | GPSFan | ts support is broke for microwindows (I think) |
| 03:51:56 | GPSFan | the important thing is to get the .4 blob in. |
| 03:52:15 | Error403 | what's the difference between tuxscreen-kernel-blfix and tuxscreen-kernel? |
| 03:52:42 | GPSFan | blfix has the code to make the backlight work from the keyboard. |
| 03:52:54 | Error403 | So I suppose I'll use that :) |
| 03:53:41 | GPSFan | when you flash in the new blob at 9600 and restart, it will come up at 115200 |
| 03:54:04 | GPSFan | and you wont' have to switch baud rates during flashing anymore. |
| 03:54:10 | scanline | is back (gone 00:59:24) |
| 03:54:34 | Error403 | so just "download blob" (another term) "uuencode tuxscreen-blob foo > /dev/ttyS0 |
| 03:54:36 | Error403 | ?" |
| 03:54:37 | Error403 | err |
| 03:54:43 | Error403 | s/?"/"? |
| 03:55:16 | GPSFan | that sounds like the correct set of commands, with the older blob, I think you have to switch baud rates at that point. |
| 03:55:30 | Error403 | huh? |
| 03:55:35 | Error403 | Switch to what? |
| 03:56:10 | Error403 | (I am being a pest because I want to make my tuxscreen something other than a paper weight) |
| 03:56:17 | collord | tests his 12v leads on his tongue |
| 03:56:25 | Error403 | collord: heh |
| 03:56:41 | GPSFan | read http://tuxscreen.net/wiki/view//InstallingLinux |
| 03:56:45 | Error403 | I am :) |
| 03:58:53 | Error403 | ok |
| 03:58:58 | Error403 | Help for blob 2.0.4, the LART bootloader |
| 03:59:04 | Error403 | is 2.0.4 the right version? |
| 03:59:20 | Error403 | wait |
| 03:59:28 | GPSFan | yes. |
| 03:59:30 | Error403 | forgot to flash ;) |
| 03:59:38 | Error403 | let me try that again |
| 04:00:25 | GPSFan | blob should tell you how many bytes it downloaded. |
| 04:01:50 | Error403 | umm |
| 04:01:57 | Error403 | I typed "help" and it didn't do anything |
| 04:01:59 | Error403 | :( |
| 04:02:00 | GPSFan | Error403: make wure you get the blob image from the tuxscreen download pages. |
| 04:02:04 | Error403 | I did |
| 04:02:58 | GPSFan | ok, when you do a download blob (kernel, ramdisk) blob will tell you how many bytes it got. (.4, .3 may not) |
| 04:03:19 | Error403 | damn it, I'm getting nervous again, this isn't looking too good |
| 04:03:51 | GPSFan | if you are a the blob prompt you are still ok. |
| 04:04:40 | Error403 | I'm at the blob prompt but it isn't doing anything! |
| 04:04:51 | Error403 | typing "help" results in nothing |
| 04:04:56 | Error403 | eeeek |
| 04:05:24 | GPSFan | push the red button, then get back to the blob prompt. |
| 04:05:34 | Error403 | done |
| 04:05:59 | GPSFan | try help again, although I'm not sure that help worked in .3 |
| 04:06:14 | Error403 | I should have blobl .4 |
| 04:06:17 | Error403 | blob |
| 04:06:21 | Error403 | I just downloaded it |
| 04:06:22 | collord | notes not to use the screwdriver to bend the leads while connected to power |
| 04:06:23 | Error403 | and flashed it |
| 04:06:36 | GPSFan | ok did you "flash blob"? |
| 04:06:40 | Error403 | yes |
| 04:06:46 | Error403 | and *that* is when it stopped working |
| 04:07:02 | GPSFan | ok are you at 115200? |
| 04:07:08 | Error403 | yes |
| 04:07:17 | GPSFan | does blob sing on? |
| 04:07:30 | Error403 | ? |
| 04:07:36 | Error403 | Loading ramdisk from flash ............ done |
| 04:07:36 | Error403 | Autoboot in progress, press any key to stop .. |
| 04:07:36 | Error403 | Autoboot aborted |
| 04:07:36 | Error403 | Type "help" to get a list of commands |
| 04:07:36 | Error403 | blob> |
| 04:07:50 | GPSFan | any other messages? |
| 04:07:55 | Error403 | nope |
| 04:07:58 | Error403 | well |
| 04:08:00 | Error403 | at the top there is |
| 04:08:06 | Error403 | the memory map and copyright |
| 04:08:19 | Error403 | and "loading blob from flash" |
| 04:08:23 | GPSFan | yeah, like consider your self LARTED? |
| 04:08:28 | Error403 | yup |
| 04:08:52 | GPSFan | ok, does blob say what version it is ? |
| 04:08:57 | Error403 | still 2.0.4 |
| 04:09:04 | Error403 | (it was when I started) |
| 04:09:07 | GPSFan | ok, 2.04 is good. |
| 04:09:21 | GPSFan | but you are now at 115200. |
| 04:09:25 | Error403 | yes |
| 04:09:43 | Error403 | But like I said, it won't do anything now |
| 04:09:48 | Error403 | *sob* |
| 04:10:18 | GPSFan | do you have flow controll off? |
| 04:10:24 | GPSFan | on minicom |
| 04:11:30 | Error403 | I had hardware flow control on |
| 04:11:50 | Error403 | I turned that off, but it didn't make a different |
| 04:11:53 | Error403 | difference |
| 04:12:51 | andersen | save your minicom settings as the default now |
| 04:12:57 | Error403 | already did |
| 04:13:10 | andersen | then quite minicom and restart it |
| 04:13:14 | andersen | quit |
| 04:13:30 | Error403 | there we go |
| 04:13:32 | Error403 | yay :) |
| 04:13:43 | Error403 | ok, I almost had a heart attack again there :) |
| 04:13:57 | Error403 | time to download the kernel and rootfs, yay |
| 04:14:06 | GPSFan | :>) |
| 04:14:44 | Error403 | goes to get a drink |
| 04:16:29 | Error403 | ok, flashing |
| 04:16:46 | Error403 | now, ramdisk |
| 04:18:42 | Error403 | I knew I was doing something wron |
| 04:18:43 | Error403 | g |
| 04:18:45 | Error403 | thanks guys :D |
| 04:18:55 | Error403 | now to boot this thing :) |
| 04:19:05 | andersen | minicom tends to be "sticky" sometimes. |
| 04:19:09 | collord | goooooal |
| 04:19:16 | Error403 | andersen: I noticed :} |
| 04:19:34 | andersen | saving setting then restarting with those setting is a good idea. |
| 04:19:41 | GPSFan | Error403: now you don't need a jtag. |
| 04:19:53 | Error403 | GPSFan: yeah, no kidding, I knew it was something I was doing wrong |
| 04:20:02 | Error403 | GPSFan: That's why I came here :) |
| 04:20:20 | GPSFan | ;>) running the older blob is a pain too. |
| 04:20:22 | Error403 | almost done saving ramdisk |
| 04:22:07 | collord | jeffrey_: D!blob F!all______ <--- are the ___ supposed to be the there or is that some ??? |
| 04:22:26 | collord | oops, not jeffrey_ anyone |
| 04:23:31 | Error403 | wonders why it takes soooo much longer to save the ramdisk over the kernel, and the kernel is larger |
| 04:23:35 | Error403 | does it uncompress it? |
| 04:23:54 | GPSFan | both are. |
| 04:24:01 | Error403 | hmm |
| 04:24:08 | Error403 | so the answer to my question is....? |
| 04:24:09 | Error403 | :) |
| 04:24:14 | collord | anyone know the use of the _____ stuff after F!all ? |
| 04:24:15 | GPSFan | my ramdisk is bigger |
| 04:25:09 | Error403 | collord: not sure what that is |
| 04:25:16 | collord | but it needs to be there? |
| 04:25:27 | GPSFan | collord: the full command is c D!blob F!all |
| 04:25:32 | Error403 | YAY! |
| 04:25:35 | Error403 | it booted! |
| 04:25:38 | Error403 | hugs everyone |
| 04:25:55 | sjm | Error403: It's a known blob fault - when writing more than one file in a single session, the subsequent files take a lot longer than the first. To get around this, flash kernel, power off, then flash ramdisk. You'll see the ramdisk will be as fast as the kernel. |
| 04:26:05 | collord | wtf... the InstallingLinux page misses the c andhas the odd ___ |
| 04:26:13 | GPSFan | collord: see the last few lines in: http://tuxscreen.net/wiki/view//InfernoRemote |
| 04:26:22 | Error403 | sjm: cool, thanks |
| 04:26:53 | GPSFan | sjm, Learn something every day! |
| 04:27:09 | sjm | I only learnt that a few days ago myself :) |
| 04:28:57 | collord | uh, uh-oh |
| 04:29:26 | Error403 | hmm |
| 04:30:55 | Error403 | How can I mount my MMC->PCMCIA adapter? |
| 04:31:14 | Error403 | does it require a module, actually, I think it does :( |
| 04:31:50 | Error403 | andersen: ping |
| 04:32:27 | collord | whew |
| 04:34:15 | andersen | Error403: pong |
| 04:34:53 | Error403 | andersen: I'm guessing there isn't a rootfs image out with C++ support yet? |
| 04:35:22 | andersen | I'm still working on the toolchain |
| 04:35:33 | andersen | so the short answer is, no |
| 04:35:42 | Error403 | ok :) |
| 04:35:46 | Error403 | andersen: ETA? :) |
| 04:37:41 | andersen | when I'm finished. |
| 04:37:48 | andersen | meanwhile, suffer |
| 04:37:55 | Error403 | hehehe |
| 04:38:48 | Error403 | also wants to add sound do this thing |
| 04:39:09 | collord | shite |
| 04:39:09 | Error403 | can the lucent DSP be used as a sound processor? |
| 04:39:28 | collord | shite |
| 04:39:36 | collord | no larted goodness |
| 04:40:04 | sjm | Error403: Sure it can, just stick bits in the right registers :) |
| 04:40:16 | Error403 | heh |
| 04:40:32 | Error403 | sjm: a module would be cool to do that and create /dev/dsp :) |
| 04:40:55 | Error403 | now to get this freaking pcmcia card to work |
| 04:41:24 | collord | 115200 8N1 no hard/soft controls and I should see something, yes? |
| 04:41:50 | Error403 | yes |
| 04:41:54 | Error403 | try 9600 too |
| 04:42:38 | collord | oh. hrm. there it is. just needed to try it once more :) |
| 04:44:43 | collord | gates to henchman: "we've got to close the serial port, that's how LINUX gets in!" |
| 04:45:05 | Error403 | heh |
| 04:45:43 | GPSFan | lol! |
| 04:45:49 | Error403 | http://TuxScreen.net/download/howdidthisgethere/ |
| 04:45:52 | Error403 | interesting ^^^ |
| 04:45:59 | Error403 | shannon dsp code |
| 04:48:53 | Error403 | wow, that DSP is powerful |
| 04:49:38 | GPSFan | Error403: too bad it's code is in ROM... however Gork got VOIP working. |
| 04:49:59 | Error403 | wow |
| 04:50:08 | Error403 | it's code is in rom? |
| 04:50:54 | GPSFan | yep. http://tuxscreen.net/download/Mongoose.jpg |
| 04:51:21 | collord | what rootfs would you recommend at this point for someone with no special needs? |
| 04:51:41 | Error403 | GPSFan: ohh, in the mongoose rom, yes |
| 04:52:24 | andersen | If you have no needs, it doesn't matter what you put there... |
| 04:52:25 | GPSFan | collord: now that you can re-flash, try several. |
| 04:53:33 | collord | GPSFan ok will start simple... v4 tuxscreen-image.jff2 |
| 04:54:04 | Error403 | andersen: Any ideas how to get a MMC->PCMCIA adapter to work? |
| 04:55:52 | andersen | MMC? |
| 04:56:00 | andersen | howdy BZFlag |
| 04:56:24 | Error403 | andersen: Multimedia Card, like SD, except not secure and not as fast |
| 04:56:38 | Error403 | hi BZFlag |
| 04:56:45 | Error403 | BZFlag: I got my tuxscreen working again |
| 05:03:12 | Error403 | At what voltage does the PC Card operate? |
| 05:03:13 | Error403 | SanDisk® ATA FlashDisk PC Cards are dual voltage and can be used at 3.3 or 5 volts. The host system determines which voltage the card will operate at. |
| 05:03:36 | Error403 | interesting, now if I can just get it to work on the tuxscreen |
| 05:04:26 | Error403 | shannon_pcmcia_configure_socket(): Warning, Can't perform reset |
| 05:04:27 | Error403 | hrm |
| 05:08:09 | collord | err... did i fry my sodimm?? memtotal should be 13968? |
| 05:08:44 | Error403 | that's higher than mine |
| 05:09:02 | Error403 | collord: no, it copies the kernel and rootfs into RAM |
| 05:11:00 | collord | i have a lot to learn about this little box... |
| 05:13:59 | collord | wait for chip to read, staus = 4 ??? |
| 05:26:12 | collord | what should PCIC be set to to get cardmgr, etc. started? |
| 05:27:26 | collord | and why does passwd hang |
| 05:27:33 | collord | goes to read list archives |
| 05:28:00 | AeroSpace | collord: You don't like the default 'root' password? |
| 05:28:09 | collord | heh |
| 05:29:36 | AeroSpace | collord: try vi you might have more success than the passwd command. |
| 05:30:44 | collord | you mean vi and have manually crypted passwds to insert? (vipw is nowhere) |
| 05:31:48 | AeroSpace | collord: set your password on a different system then copy over the password hash to the tux |
| 05:31:55 | collord | gotcha |
| 05:33:58 | collord | hrmm.. any hints on pcmcia? |
| 05:34:19 | AeroSpace | Nope, sorry, mine just worked. |
| 05:34:52 | collord | odd... my cardmgr didn't start and gives all kinds of errors when i try it manually |
| 05:35:13 | AeroSpace | Or should I say it detected the card and card services could read the ident info, I didn't have the driver loaded to actually try it. |
| 05:36:24 | collord | is this kernel even modular?? |
| 05:37:05 | AeroSpace | I think they just compiled everything in. |
| 05:37:07 | collord | hrm, my filesystem has none of the modules |
| 05:37:31 | collord | cardmgr won't start as it won't find the modules dir |
| 05:38:00 | AeroSpace | is cardmgr even required when the modules are already in the kernel? |
| 05:38:54 | collord | i think... something has to detect inserts and do power routines?? |
| 05:39:34 | AeroSpace | and a userland daemon wouldn't be told unless the kernel found out right? |
| 05:40:12 | collord | point |
| 05:45:06 | collord | well it does nothing when i stick a card in... and "they" wouldn't have cardmgr in the init scripts if it wasn't needed |
| 05:47:39 | AeroSpace | That's funny the version of cardmgr I have seems to runw without complaining. |
| 05:48:12 | collord | hrm but yeah orinoco_cs driver reports in the bootmessages |
| 05:53:40 | scanline | anybody here know who set up the tuxscreen.net Wiki? |
| 05:58:55 | collord | AeroSpace: there are references to /etc/pcmcia/config on the site... don't think the model of pure-kernel fits this. |
| 05:59:46 | AeroSpace | I had compiled my own kernel so maybe I'm seeing something different. |
| 06:01:10 | collord | which root fs did you start with? |
| 06:01:41 | AeroSpace | I don't know anymore. I haven't really played with them since December |
| 06:04:34 | AeroSpace | is away: sleeping... ZZZzz.... ZZzzz... Zzzzz.... |
| 06:08:29 | BZFlag | scanline: I did |
| 06:08:51 | scanline | BZFlag: nifty. where can i get one :) |
| 06:09:00 | BZFlag | sfwiki.sourceforge.net |
| 06:09:33 | scanline | BZFlag: ah... that's what i'm using right now on picogui.org, but it doesn't have the neat login system. did i just miss some documentation at the sfwiki site? |
| 06:09:51 | BZFlag | site? I'll poke around. |
| 06:10:19 | scanline | the sfwiki site? |
| 06:10:25 | BZFlag | http://www.picogui.org/wiki/ ? |
| 06:10:32 | scanline | is confused by his roommate's math homework rant |
| 06:10:35 | scanline | ah, yes, that's it :) |
| 06:11:04 | BZFlag | hmmm... does not look the same. |
| 06:11:21 | scanline | that's what i thought |
| 06:11:34 | BZFlag | http://sfwiki.sourceforge.net/ does look the same |
| 06:12:15 | scanline | well, maybe i accidentally installed an old version of sfwiki... |
| 06:12:18 | scanline | thanks for the help |
| 06:20:41 | collord | any docs on getting pcmcia going that someone could point out? |
| 06:25:39 | collord | a bunch of cardmgr : could not adjust resource errors |
| 07:29:44 | pmisfit | man, this stuff moves fast. my head is spinning. |
| 07:30:07 | pmisfit | what is the most current, recommended, kernel and patch set to use on tux? the one in buildroot still? or another? |
| 09:15:45 | TomW | Does anyone have a PDF on the LM8V31 LCD display. I don't see anything on the wiki. |
| 09:23:44 | | holden was last seen on #familiar 3 days, 20 hours, 15 minutes and 50 seconds ago, saying: <private message> [Sun Feb 3 13:07:54 2002] |
| 09:23:44 | sjm_home | ibot: seen holden |
| 09:24:26 | sjm_home | Has anyone tried holden's new kernel patch with microwindows? |
| 09:28:04 | sjm_home | It patches okay, builds cleanly and the kernel runs nicely, but tuxcal dies with a floating point exception, and the touchscreen doesn't appear to work. |
| 09:28:19 | sjm_home | The backlight brightness and contrast work okay. |
| 09:29:35 | TomW | Which patch is that? 2.4.17? |
| 09:29:56 | sjm_home | patch-2.4.17-rmk5-aph |
| 09:32:14 | TomW | No, I am still using 2.4.16 |
| 09:33:02 | sjm_home | Hmm... This patch is supposed to fix what was wrong in 2.4.16 :) |
| 09:35:19 | TomW | My 2.4.16 seems to be working ok. |
| 09:35:34 | sjm_home | You have the touchscreen working in 2.4.16? |
| 09:36:01 | TomW | Sharp pisses me off! They have no technical docs on their website for their LCDs. |
| 09:36:34 | sjm_home | There are a couple of 2-page pdfs but not much detail... |
| 09:37:19 | TomW | No, I don't. I am still wandering my way around the kernel source getting familiar with what is in there. I did some uClinux kernel work on the 68K, but ARM is a little different. |
| 09:39:53 | sjm_home | www.sharpsma.com/eprise/main/FldrSharp/Techpub/productfocus/ publications/displays/passive/matrix/tec_prodbrief_lm8v31.pdf |
| 09:40:22 | TomW | Was that patch supposed to get the touch panel working? I haven't gotten mine working yet. Nano-X keeps complaining about not finding a mounse and exits. |
| 09:40:59 | TomW | Yeah, saw that over on sharpsma, no info in there for an engineer. That doc is to make a market guy giggle. |
| 09:41:04 | sjm_home | Ah.... That's because the nano-X driver is looking for /dev/ucb1200-ts, but buildroot is creating /dev/ucb1x00-ts. |
| 09:41:23 | TomW | Just rename, eh? |
| 09:41:34 | sjm_home | No, the major/minor numbers are different |
| 09:42:15 | TomW | do you have those numbers? |
| 09:43:21 | sjm_home | /dev/ucb1200-ts 11,0 |
| 09:43:42 | sjm_home | and dev/ucb1200-tsraw also 11,0 |
| 09:44:43 | TomW | Thanks! |
| 09:45:44 | sjm_home | But you still won't have touchscreen support in 2.4.16. You need to go back to 2.4.7-blfix |
| 09:48:43 | TomW | It will be a while before I have to tackle that. I ripped the CPU card out of the one phone that I have and attached it to a perf board to use as a development system. I have two other phones on order. |
| 09:49:25 | TomW | I am trying out an idea that I may sell to a customer. |
| 09:50:15 | sjm_home | Okay. Ideally, to play with graphics, use 2.4.7-blfix and microwin-image.jffs from the v0.4 directory. They are very stable together. |
| 09:52:29 | sjm_home | But I am having trouble with the touchscreen in anything later than that :( |
| 09:54:31 | TomW | I was looking at the website looking for the patch files. I hate using binaries, you cannot change them. |
| 09:54:51 | sjm_home | The 2.4.17 patches? |
| 10:01:42 | TomW | No, those I can find. The 2.4.7-blfix patch. |
| 10:02:38 | TomW | That is odd, the tuxscreen-image.jffs wount mount on the loopback as -t romfs. Ok, it is not *really* a romfs, but a jffs formatted image. |
| 10:05:02 | TomW | For $99 this makes an excellent developmnet board for StrongARM. |
| 10:05:24 | sjm_home | buildroot cvs with -r kernel2_4_7 should pull down the sources |
| 10:05:47 | TomW | cool. |
| 10:08:45 | TomW | waaaayyyy past my bedtime! |
| 10:11:23 | TomW | Ok, now I have a /dev/ucb1200-ts major 11, minor 10 on the ARM system. |
| 10:11:33 | sjm_home | No. Minor 0 |
| 10:16:00 | TomW | Sorry, I meant 0, eyes glazing over... must sleep... zzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZ |
| 10:16:09 | TomW | CUL. |
| 10:16:18 | sjm_home | bye |
| 10:16:23 | TomW | is away: to catch more ZZZZZZZZ's |
| 10:22:42 | sjm_home | I guess it's time I went to bed too. Night all. |
| 11:08:20 | scanline | is away: I'm busy |
| 11:08:25 | scanline | is back (gone 00:00:04) |
| 12:08:15 | Sammy | later |
| 12:10:06 | scanline | got sfWiki working on picogui.org finally |
| 12:10:12 | scanline | wow, so much cooler than phpWiki |
| 12:41:09 | scanline | is away: standing in the wet room |
| 12:44:15 | ctr | heh |
| 13:12:46 | scanline | is back (gone 00:31:37) |
| 13:45:00 | ctr | is away: tv for a bit |
| 14:13:14 | scanline | is away: pseudobreakfast |
| 14:32:23 | scanline | is back (gone 00:19:09) |
| 14:51:48 | ctr | is back (gone 01:06:51) |
| 14:55:05 | Morn | anyone around? |
| 15:05:09 | Morn | morning |
| 15:05:26 | Morn | prpplauge: any idea why compiling on my computer would cause it to lock up? |
| 15:05:29 | Morn | I can't figure it out |
| 15:05:39 | Morn | if I boot to a non-smp kernel I can compile fine |
| 15:08:59 | AeroSpace | is back (gone 09:04:26) |
| 15:19:01 | pattieja | is away: I'm busy |
| 15:19:07 | pattieja | is back (gone 00:00:02) |
| 15:24:07 | CosmicPenguin | is away: Uh, oh.. the weasel got out again... |
| 15:24:18 | CosmicPenguin | is back (gone 00:00:10) |
| 15:24:31 | CosmicPenguin | Good morning |
| 15:28:00 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: morning |
| 15:39:35 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: still dreaming of SQL commands? |
| 15:45:20 | SpaceCoaster | CosmicPenguin: is all this SQL talk for the TuxScreen? |
| 15:45:54 | SpaceCoaster | is not being a off-topic cop! |
| 15:49:01 | CosmicPenguin | cowers |
| 15:49:33 | SpaceCoaster | CosmicPenguin: at last! |
| 15:51:31 | Morn | pukes. |
| 15:52:44 | CosmicPenguin | Uhh, sorry Morn.... :( |
| 15:53:04 | Morn | it's ok |
| 15:53:18 | Morn | I'm just ready to fill this computer case with concrete |
| 15:54:08 | AeroSpace | Morn: No oops? Try a serial console if you are always in X. |
| 15:54:24 | Morn | I'm in X yeah |
| 15:54:28 | Morn | and it just locks up |
| 15:54:37 | Morn | I don't get it |
| 15:54:46 | Morn | it only happens when compiling |
| 15:54:57 | Morn | and the whole point of a dual 1.4Ghz machine was compiling! |
| 15:55:33 | AeroSpace | Morn: It still could be oopsing without you getting the message. See if you get anything from the serial console (or compile at console for once). |
| 15:55:52 | Morn | and it doesn't lock on the same file in the compile process |
| 15:55:57 | AeroSpace | Morn: AMD or Intel? (Just curions). |
| 15:56:00 | Morn | amd |
| 15:56:07 | Morn | dual 1.4ghz MP's |
| 15:56:14 | Morn | it was working fine for 4 months |
| 15:56:17 | Morn | then this started |
| 15:56:23 | Morn | I even tried re-installing linux |
| 15:56:25 | Morn | same thing |
| 15:56:36 | Morn | actually I re-installed 4 times yesterday |
| 15:56:41 | Morn | that gets tiring quick |
| 15:56:42 | AeroSpace | Morn: any new hardware or different kernel? |
| 15:57:01 | andersee | Tried swapping out the memory? |
| 15:57:03 | Morn | the only thing I added was the new video capture card, but even after I took that out this continued |
| 15:57:18 | Morn | if it was memory though, wouldn't it happen in single cpu mode too? |
| 15:57:25 | CosmicPenguin | Wern't there AMD SMP problems a while back? |
| 15:57:31 | Morn | I can compile fine if I boot with a non-smp kernel |
| 15:57:37 | andersee | BIOS updates available? |
| 15:57:43 | Morn | I have the latest bios |
| 15:57:47 | CosmicPenguin | kernel version? (sorry if that has already been asked) |
| 15:58:02 | Morn | CosmicPenguin: The only thing I can see on dual amd was people trying to use XP's instead of MP's |
| 15:58:04 | Morn | 2.4.17 |
| 15:58:28 | CosmicPenguin | hmmm..... |
| 15:59:15 | AeroSpace | Morn: trying to get a kernel oops would be the first thing I would try. |
| 15:59:34 | Morn | AeroSpace: I'm stupid here, how would I do that via a serial connection? |
| 16:01:13 | AeroSpace | There is a kernel option you can use (if you compile serial console into the kernel), that will re-direct any kernel messages to the serial port. It was the only way I have been able to capture oops sometimes, and it is tons better than trying to write them down. serial=ttyS0 if you have it compiled in. |
| 16:01:46 | Morn | I would have to reboot to a non-smp kernel to recompile the kernel |
| 16:01:52 | Morn | watches her head spin. |
| 16:03:43 | Morn | My copy of Dr. Dobb's just came |
| 16:03:46 | Morn | grins. |
| 16:07:16 | CosmicPenguin | Has jacques ported X to the new UCB1x00 driver yet? |
| 16:15:32 | Morn | CosmicPenguin: your the SQL guru |
| 16:15:50 | Morn | in a LIMIT statement in a SQL statemet can I do LIMIT starting, -1 |
| 16:15:57 | Morn | and get from starting to the end in the return set? |
| 16:17:24 | scanline | is away: sleep? class? who knows... |
| 16:19:25 | CosmicPenguin | Morn: Ithought you were the SQL guru... I was asking *you* questions |
| 16:19:39 | CosmicPenguin | goes for the MySQL reference |
| 16:20:40 | Morn | giggle |
| 16:20:47 | Morn | I know a bit about SQL |
| 16:20:53 | Morn | but I don't use limit often |
| 16:21:03 | Morn | but the logical thing would be it should work like I said |
| 16:22:46 | CosmicPenguin | Morn: IUn that case, why use limit at all though? |
| 16:26:36 | Morn | I have to start at record 50000 |
| 16:26:41 | Morn | and get everything past that |
| 16:26:51 | Morn | I could iterate through a whole result set to get there |
| 16:26:54 | Morn | but that seems silly |
| 16:29:05 | Morn | I'm dealing with result sets of millions of records |
| 16:48:24 | AlHazWork | Anybody know what sort of lobotomy debian/unstable needs to get a usb mouse working? |
| 16:48:39 | AlHazWork | I've got all the right modules loaded, but /dev/usbmouse and /dev/usb/mouse0 are dead |
| 16:55:17 | andersee | did you try plugging in the mouse? |
| 16:55:19 | andersee | ducks |
| 16:56:32 | AlHazWork | come on, it's not like I'm john koyle or something . . |
| 16:56:50 | AlHazWork | USB stuff must have changed since the last time i messed with it, had to create a /dev/mice device |
| 16:56:55 | AeroSpace | AlHazWork: Works for me. Did you dmesg pick up your mouse? |
| 16:56:57 | AlHazWork | c 16 63 |
| 16:57:04 | AlHazWork | AeroSpace: frequently |
| 16:58:46 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: no, no dreams of sql commands last night |
| 16:59:44 | AeroSpace | I use gpm on one of my systems and X on the other without any issues, except gpm doesn't seem to like repeat the scroll wheel. |
| 16:59:48 | AlHazWork | ugh, I used to dream of sql commands . . |
| 17:00:13 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: btw, I've made some progress with shared libstdc++... Not quite perfect yet, but much much closer now. |
| 17:08:52 | prpplague | andersee: what would it take to hack the telnet app in busybox to allow additional exported variable sent to the host? |
| 17:10:21 | andersee | Hmm. dunno. Shouldn't be too hard |
| 17:14:54 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: Good! I'm excited to try that stuff out |
| 17:15:19 | CosmicPenguin | was in a inpromptu meeting |
| 17:17:06 | andersee | I've got a little test app staticly linked at 30k. |
| 17:17:25 | andersee | But it seems I broke global constructors again. :( |
| 17:22:49 | prpplague | argh, i used winblows xp for the first time today..... |
| 17:23:12 | prpplague | i don't about the rest of you guys, but i find xp totaly un-usable |
| 17:23:16 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: Lots of pretty art, little substance, eh? |
| 17:25:14 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i can't seem to get any networking running under it |
| 17:25:27 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: You mean you're not trying to load MSN? |
| 17:25:29 | CosmicPenguin | gasps! |
| 17:25:47 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: I know - it took me a while to get my brothers machine set up |
| 17:27:01 | AlHazWork | prpplague: http://www.digital-ink.co.uk/page.ink?pageno=93 |
| 17:27:27 | AlHazWork | prpplague: Oh, if you right-click on one of those "wizards" you can get a menu that lets you actually set something up |
| 17:27:53 | AlHazWork | I helped the gf connect an XP box to her campus reznet over the phone, blind, and somehow managed . . |
| 17:27:56 | prpplague | AlHazWork: nice |
| 17:28:10 | AlHazWork | I don't remember anything other than having to right-click and selecting something that made sense |
| 17:28:30 | prpplague | AlHazWork: well i've pushed off on our wiblows sysadmin |
| 17:28:41 | AlHazWork | it's Real Bad about dhcp leases, tho |
| 17:28:54 | AlHazWork | it'll accept a new ip alright, but it likes to keep the dns & gateway info |
| 17:29:12 | AlHazWork | which was a real PITA, since the reznet at her school was set up by people who are way into stupid dns tricks |
| 17:29:24 | prpplague | lol |
| 17:29:44 | AlHazWork | until you fill out some form on a website, the dhcp server feeds you a dummy dns server & dummy gateway so that the only website you can go to is the one with the form |
| 17:30:04 | AlHazWork | so she was getting the right ip, and xp was keeping the bad dns and gateway |
| 17:33:28 | prpplague | fun |
| 18:09:21 | Morn | is away: at the bank |
| 18:14:53 | prpplague | get some money for me |
| 18:38:11 | pmisfit | wonders if he even remembers what money looks like |
| 18:41:25 | collord | anyone else see i/o errors when cardmgr starts? |
| 18:41:53 | AlHazWork | I forget, what do they say? |
| 18:42:29 | collord | "cannot modify resource" (think) one sec let me check |
| 18:46:48 | collord | could not adjust resource: IO Ports 0xc00-0xcff: Device or resource busy |
| 18:46:55 | collord | (a few of those) |
| 18:47:16 | collord | counld not adjust resource: memory 0xc0000-0xcffff I/O error |
| 18:47:30 | collord | think the flash isn't all the way unlocked? |
| 18:47:48 | collord | did i static my sodimm? |
| 19:00:39 | AlHazWork | hmm, looks like a pcmcia config problem |
| 19:00:43 | AlHazWork | but if pcmcia works anyway, whatever |
| 19:00:54 | collord | *it don't* |
| 19:01:01 | AlHazWork | Hmm |
| 19:01:16 | AlHazWork | maybe you could look at /etc/pcmcia/config from an older image? |
| 19:01:21 | AlHazWork | maybe someone screwed it up |
| 19:02:07 | collord | what should PCIC be set to for these? doesn't the sa1100 have its own controller?/ |
| 19:02:45 | collord | basically wondering if it should "just work"? |
| 19:02:53 | AlHazWork | i, er, hmm, dunno. |
| 19:02:59 | AlHazWork | and i don't have a tux nearby |
| 19:03:04 | collord | k |
| 19:03:05 | AlHazWork | i82365? |
| 19:03:12 | AlHazWork | worth a shot at least |
| 19:47:13 | collord | yeah.. wierd.. somebody didn't have the i83265 thing in rc.pcmcia |
| 19:47:38 | collord | the errors only come up in the previous kernel/images too... looks fine so far in v5.0 |
| 19:54:11 | collord | hrm and there's no iwconfig |
| 20:01:16 | collord | well hopefully buildroot-tux will build |
| 20:01:59 | prpplague | any here using the dlink CF 802.11b card other than me? |
| 20:04:35 | collord | hey.. it works!!!! |
| 20:08:04 | collord | sweet |
| 20:09:45 | collord | did anyone get the prism2 HostAP driver into their tux kernel with no problems? |
| 20:23:35 | file | hey BZFlag |
| 21:05:36 | CosmicPenguin | collord: I don't think anyone has tried |
| 21:06:55 | collord | hrm someone was talking about it |
| 21:07:03 | collord | guess i'll have to try |
| 21:08:03 | collord | ... an Arm port of the OpenAP system... opensource.instant802.com |
| 21:08:18 | prpplague | Morn: get me some money at the bank? |
| 21:10:26 | pmisfit | collord: very cool |
| 21:12:55 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: have you tried compiling fltk against the new uclibc yet? |
| 21:15:04 | collord | woah cool... busybox does dpkg! |
| 21:15:39 | Morn | prpplague: ah, ok, and the reason would be? |
| 21:17:07 | prpplague | Morn: because i'm a heck of a guy and you love the way i type? |
| 21:17:27 | Morn | I think your on more medication than I am |
| 21:17:29 | Morn | giggles. |
| 21:17:37 | prpplague | lol |
| 21:17:47 | prpplague | Morn: you have an ipaq right? |
| 21:17:51 | Morn | yeah |
| 21:18:01 | Morn | I'm thinking about putting opie on it |
| 21:18:14 | prpplague | you have much trouble dumping wince and getting a dist running? |
| 21:18:25 | Morn | it's pretty easy |
| 21:18:34 | Morn | the hairy part is replacing the bootldr |
| 21:18:43 | Morn | but that is only 30 seconds and then it's done |
| 21:18:46 | prpplague | i've got one i need to load |
| 21:18:51 | Morn | after that you can't mess it up |
| 21:19:04 | prpplague | so how do you like it? |
| 21:19:06 | Morn | I've replaced the bootldr about 12 times on mine so it can't be that hard |
| 21:19:16 | Morn | I love linux on the ipaq |
| 21:19:24 | Morn | I've tried all the different distro's |
| 21:19:38 | Morn | I think I like Pixil and Qtopia the best |
| 21:19:49 | prpplague | which one would be best for using several fltk based apps? pixil? |
| 21:20:10 | Morn | for fltk yea pixil |
| 21:20:40 | Morn | I liked the base of pixil, but am concerned about the future development, and qtopia seems to have more developer support in the field |
| 21:20:51 | Morn | there are a LOT more apps for qtopia than pixil |
| 21:21:16 | Morn | TrollTech had the right idea with that contest for qt/e |
| 21:21:26 | prpplague | yea i agree |
| 21:23:47 | Morn | ok, I installed gcc 3.0.3 to see if that helps with my lockups |
| 21:24:01 | prpplague | http://www.abcsinc.com/small-linux/images/camion.jpg |
| 21:24:15 | prpplague | Morn: check that out |
| 21:24:40 | Morn | the writing is too small to read! |
| 21:24:59 | prpplague | sorry, it was a scan from the box |
| 21:25:13 | Morn | nice scan though |
| 21:25:16 | prpplague | opens gimp |
| 21:25:18 | Morn | I need a scanner |
| 21:25:37 | AlHazWork | hmm, says it's sa1100 based. good luck getting chips. |
| 21:25:46 | prpplague | lol |
| 21:25:54 | AlHazWork | Morn: Except for making Jay Perlow a judge |
| 21:25:55 | Morn | the ipaq is sa1110 right? |
| 21:26:21 | prpplague | Morn: i think that is correct |
| 21:26:25 | AlHazWork | just zoomed in with opera . . |
| 21:26:30 | CosmicPenguin | Morn: you think *YOU* are concerned about future development of Pixil.... |
| 21:26:43 | Morn | CosmicPenguin: I'm sure you are |
| 21:26:44 | CosmicPenguin | 's job depends on the future development of Pixil |
| 21:26:54 | Morn | Your the reason I still have hopes for Pixil |
| 21:27:02 | Morn | sucks up. |
| 21:27:18 | CosmicPenguin | Morn: ahhh... so nice.. :) |
| 21:27:39 | CosmicPenguin | Morn: I am very happy since I got 2.4.17 on my Ipaq... that sucker has been unplugged since I did it, and I have used almost no power whatsoever |
| 21:27:54 | Morn | yeah, the 2.4.17 is nice |
| 21:28:02 | Morn | can Pixil use 2.4.17? |
| 21:28:09 | CosmicPenguin | Now, I just have to convert the databases to SQL, and bingo! |
| 21:28:54 | CosmicPenguin | Morn: yeah - with no modifications. The depmod is a little funky, so remember to blow away your old /lib/modules/ directory, otherwise, it will try to load the old kernel modules instead of the new ones |
| 21:29:22 | CosmicPenguin | When development starts again, I am going to convert the whole thing over to busybox / tinylogin to help avoid issues like these in the future |
| 21:29:43 | Morn | one nice thing about qpe is you can run a vncclient connected to a local vncserver |
| 21:29:49 | Morn | so you can run x apps too |
| 21:30:09 | collord | grrr. no libm |
| 21:30:50 | CosmicPenguin | Morn: Yeah, thats cool. We have code for a VNC and a RDP client, but I haven't thought about putting them on yet |
| 21:31:18 | CosmicPenguin | Morn: In fact, the vncclient is on the Microwindows distro for the tuxscreen, belive it or not |
| 21:31:57 | CosmicPenguin | My first priority right now is finishing up Minesweeper and Tetris, so I'll have something to play while going downtown next week |
| 21:32:15 | CosmicPenguin | can't believe that the Olympics start tommorrow |
| 21:32:39 | AlHazWork | pierre coupard's got a vnc server for the zaurus that presents an image of the whole zaurus, buttons & all, works at the framebuffer level on the Z iirc, so it doesn't matter which ui you're using |
| 21:32:58 | AlHazWork | should be easily adaptable to just about any sa1110 handheld |
| 21:33:06 | CosmicPenguin | AlHazWork: Thats pretty damn cool, actually |
| 21:33:14 | CosmicPenguin | AlHazWork: URL? |
| 21:33:21 | Morn | wals back in |
| 21:33:21 | AlHazWork | CosmicPenguin: dunno if he's got a url for it . . . |
| 21:33:30 | AlHazWork | CosmicPenguin: you could harass him via email - pierre@lineo.com |
| 21:33:30 | Morn | sorry, my roommate had a computer problem |
| 21:33:46 | AlHazWork | CosmicPenguin: I can forward you his email announcement of it, what's your address/ |
| 21:33:47 | AlHazWork | ? |
| 21:33:54 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: so pixil will be distributed with libsqlite ? |
| 21:33:56 | CosmicPenguin | AlHazWork: cpenguin@xmission.com |
| 21:34:03 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: I really hope so.... |
| 21:34:28 | Morn | CosmicPenguin: I have to be honest I didn't get very far with learning microwindows |
| 21:34:29 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ok cool, well i'm planning on loading pixil on several devices over the weekend |
| 21:34:36 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: Cool |
| 21:34:40 | AlHazWork | CosmicPenguin: On it's way |
| 21:34:40 | Morn | My big thing right now is being able to use java on the handheld |
| 21:35:00 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: if it looks good, i might be interested in signing on as a developer for pixil |
| 21:35:01 | Morn | this is why vncclient is important |
| 21:35:07 | CosmicPenguin | Morn: Yeah, Java is a plus. Unfortunately, not for the free crowd, but definately a marketable item |
| 21:35:31 | Morn | what do you mean 'not for the free crowd'? |
| 21:35:44 | CosmicPenguin | Morn: Opie and such..... |
| 21:35:44 | AlHazWork | java = encumbered |
| 21:35:48 | AlHazWork | and SLOW |
| 21:35:59 | prpplague | amen |
| 21:36:01 | CosmicPenguin | I don't believe OZ comes with the Java or Opera, am I right? |
| 21:36:04 | Morn | java may not be 'open source' but it's not free for use |
| 21:36:10 | AlHazWork | Why would you want portable binaries when you can just "./configure && make && make install"? |
| 21:36:12 | Morn | err |
| 21:36:16 | Morn | it is free for use |
| 21:36:31 | AlHazWork | Morn: yeah, it has java, qt embedded, and opera |
| 21:36:47 | AlHazWork | runs QPE |
| 21:36:47 | Morn | AlHazWork: Because I like the java language and the Swing API |
| 21:36:54 | Morn | I just like it |
| 21:37:13 | Morn | the fact that it is cross platform is just a side bonus |
| 21:37:22 | CosmicPenguin | Morn: If you like Java, then you'll love C# -- coming soon to a platform near you.... :) |
| 21:37:30 | Morn | pukes. |
| 21:37:40 | CosmicPenguin | spontanously channeled a Microsoft executive |
| 21:38:23 | collord | anyone have the wireless tools compiled against ulibc? |
| 21:38:43 | CosmicPenguin | collord: not for the ARM... are you having problems compiling? |
| 21:39:02 | collord | CosmicPenguin: not yet, just fishing |
| 21:39:02 | Morn | are there any wireless cards supported without the 5v hack with the tuxscreen? |
| 21:39:14 | collord | my DLink DWL-650 |
| 21:39:24 | CosmicPenguin | Morn: Lots of CF 802.11B cards out there |
| 21:39:26 | collord | Proxim RangeLan2 DS should work |
| 21:39:27 | CosmicPenguin | LInksys |
| 21:39:41 | Morn | they are 3.3v? |
| 21:39:43 | Morn | cool |
| 21:39:57 | AlHazWork | collord: I noticed the other day that my Rangelan DS is clearly a 16 bit card but is keyed for cardbus slots |
| 21:40:06 | AlHazWork | would require physical modification to insert into a tux |
| 21:40:12 | CosmicPenguin | Morn: You'll probably have to hack the driver to eliminate the VCC check, though.... |
| 21:40:14 | prpplague | collord: i got it working on my yopy(libc), but not on the tuxscreen |
| 21:40:23 | Morn | I converted one slot to 5v |
| 21:40:30 | CosmicPenguin | I know I did on the Prism2 for the Linksys CF card |
| 21:40:33 | Morn | but I want to use that for a ide hard drive |
| 21:40:36 | AlHazWork | The probable reason for the cardbus tab on the connector would be if the card isn't tolerant of 5v |
| 21:40:52 | bornet | hi |
| 21:41:00 | AlHazWork | since all cardbus slots can supply 3.3v, it's one easy way to prevent the card from getting 5v |
| 21:41:02 | collord_ | this chatter brought to you by DWL650 + tuxscreen :) |
| 21:41:22 | AlHazWork | Should be possible to turn a tuxscreen into an access point |
| 21:41:31 | AlHazWork | It's a phone! It's a computer! It's a router! |
| 21:41:39 | CosmicPenguin | AlHazWork: Its a VNC client.... :) |
| 21:41:40 | collord | yup, setting up the compile now |
| 21:41:44 | AlHazWork | IT slices! It dices! It juliennes! |
| 21:42:05 | prpplague | AlHazWork: doh you bet me to it |
| 21:42:19 | AlHazWork | CosmicPenguin: eh? |
| 21:42:22 | collord | AlHazWork: right... yeah the RangeLans are keyed to cardbus unfortunately |
| 21:42:29 | CosmicPenguin | AlHazWork: never mind |
| 21:42:38 | AlHazWork | )OH |
| 21:42:40 | AlHazWork | sorry, |
| 21:42:45 | AlHazWork | <-- Slow |
| 21:43:18 | collord | AlHazWork: oddly the DWL-650 just _say_ they need cardbus (and have the 3.3v issue... which is nicely taken care of in newer hostap drivers) |
| 21:43:28 | AlHazWork | collord: Yeah |
| 21:43:47 | AlHazWork | my linksys card draws 5v in my laptop but seems to work with 3.3v |
| 21:44:09 | collord | is the RangeLan's oddness something a Dremel could cure? |
| 21:44:12 | collord | never seen one |
| 21:44:41 | AlHazWork | the advantage of the proxim card could be that it's already got a connector on it for an external antenna, if you need extra range |
| 21:44:57 | AlHazWork | collord: Oh, well, have you got a pcmcia card handy? Look at the end |
| 21:45:04 | AlHazWork | the end that plugs into the slot |
| 21:45:18 | AlHazWork | On one side, there's two tabs, on the other side there's one tab |
| 21:45:25 | AlHazWork | on 16 bit cards, the one tab is thin |
| 21:45:30 | AlHazWork | on 32-bit cards, it's thick |
| 21:45:40 | AlHazWork | to prevent you from plugging 32-bit cards into 16-bit slots |
| 21:45:53 | AlHazWork | You'd just have to grind down (or cut off) the thick tab |
| 21:46:13 | collord | looks like a Dremel hack could benefit the RangeLan then |
| 21:46:23 | collord | they're CHEAP too |
| 21:46:40 | collord | Prism2 cards with external antennas are hard to find |
| 21:47:19 | file | must... find... floppies |
| 21:47:20 | AlHazWork | yeah, I wonder if proxim is going under or something |
| 21:47:53 | AlHazWork | linksys, compaq, etc, really overtook them with 802.11b stuff |
| 21:48:01 | AlHazWork | they ended up sueing intersil for patent infringement |
| 21:48:14 | AlHazWork | iirc, intersil eventually settled |
| 21:48:27 | Morn | ok, lets see if I can crash this computer again :-) |
| 21:48:28 | collord | huh... hadn't heard that. yeah intersil ate everyone's lunch it seems |
| 21:52:38 | prpplague | anyone interested in a developer edition yopy or a developer vr3? |
| 21:52:47 | AlHazWork | fwiw, it's Really Easy to add an external antenna to a dwl-650 |
| 21:52:59 | prpplague | AlHazWork: really? do tell? |
| 21:53:34 | collord | ooh.. insert my zcomax card and the system reboots |
| 21:53:58 | AlHazWork | prpplague: Yeah, the board is printed to support one, it's just not implemented |
| 21:54:14 | AlHazWork | http://www.guerrilla.net/reference/80211_mod/dwl-650_ext_antenna/index.html <-- step by step instructions |
| 21:54:26 | collord | that's not so pretty... |
| 21:54:42 | prpplague | AlHazWork: how do you open the case without damaging it? |
| 21:55:03 | collord | prpplague: you don't have to open the case... |
| 21:55:45 | AlHazWork | prpplague: scroll down that page and they show you how |
| 21:56:48 | prpplague | AlHazWork: ahh i see |
| 21:57:02 | prpplague | AlHazWork: that would work nice connecting to a yagi |
| 21:57:16 | AlHazWork | collord: yeah, technically you could just uncover the tongue |
| 21:57:20 | AlHazWork | little dremel work |
| 21:58:13 | AlHazWork | prpplague: somewhere i've got a url with a lot of 2.4ghz antenna designs . . . |
| 21:58:28 | collord | well the zcomax was a resounding failure |
| 21:58:32 | sjm | morning all |
| 21:59:12 | AlHazWork | zcomax? |
| 22:00:06 | collord | AlHazWork: zcomax.com one of the only other Prism2 cards with ext. ant. conn. |
| 22:01:23 | AlHazWork | http://205.159.169.11/reference/antennas/2ghz_collinear_omni/ <-- One of these days, i need to build one of these |
| 22:03:19 | sjm | Has anyone got the touchscreen working with microwindows using holden's new patch? |
| 22:03:51 | file | I thought it worked. |
| 22:04:01 | collord | AlHazWork: omnis are so cheap now... though I've got a friend somewhat happy with that design |
| 22:04:06 | sjm | file: Do you have it working? |
| 22:04:33 | AlHazWork | collord: I'm pretty cheap. if it costs more than say $25 I'd rather build it myself. 'course, I haven't yet. |
| 22:04:40 | collord | AlHazWork: or wait, not that exact one... hrm |
| 22:04:42 | file | not me |
| 22:06:24 | AlHazWork | I seem to get plenty good range with the two antennae on my linksys wap11 |
| 22:06:35 | sjm | Hmmm... Well, I'm running 2.4.17-rmk5-aph and microwindows starts up okay, brightness, contrast work well, but no touchscreen. |
| 22:06:38 | AlHazWork | but it's be neat if i could reach it from the car |
| 22:07:48 | prpplague | AlHazWork: we buy these nice yagi's from smc, they work very well for the price |
| 22:08:25 | collord | AlHazWork: 5 dBi omnis should be about $35 |
| 22:08:56 | collord | but mucking around is fun too |
| 22:09:10 | AlHazWork | collord: where? |
| 22:09:37 | collord | superpass.com dbiplus.com |
| 22:10:27 | prpplague | collord: we mainly use the stuff for bridging or routing |
| 22:12:13 | AlHazWork | My notebook is tango-uniform, 'course, so I haven't used my wlan in weeks |
| 22:12:19 | collord | er, those may be quantity pricing.. but those are the two cheap suppliers |
| 22:16:21 | AlHazWork | qty1 for 4.5db is $39, but yeah |
| 22:16:34 | Morn | I think I fixed it! |
| 22:16:36 | Morn | bounces. |
| 22:16:48 | AeroSpace | Morn: Fixed what? |
| 22:16:56 | Morn | my crashes when compiling |
| 22:16:57 | prpplague | watches Morn bounce |
| 22:17:15 | Morn | I moved the video capture card to a different slot |
| 22:17:19 | Morn | and now I can compile |
| 22:17:41 | AeroSpace | wonders why it would crash with the video capture card absent then. |
| 22:17:49 | AlHazWork | odd that it would interfere with compiles |
| 22:17:54 | Morn | I'm not sure why |
| 22:17:55 | AlHazWork | or do you mean, compiling while sing it |
| 22:18:00 | AlHazWork | using, too |
| 22:18:15 | Morn | no, just compiling (I booted to console only and tried to compile without the card |
| 22:18:19 | Morn | and it still crashed |
| 22:18:26 | Morn | but a few quick tests and I didn't crash this time |
| 22:18:31 | AlHazWork | weird |
| 22:18:32 | Morn | could it be an iterrupt thing? |
| 22:18:36 | AlHazWork | could be |
| 22:18:40 | Morn | possibly some race in the kernel? |
| 22:18:42 | AlHazWork | or a busmaster concurrency thing |
| 22:18:51 | bornet | hello. I finally have receive my TuxScreen today ! 2.5 months between Tim send it have I receive it !!! |
| 22:18:59 | Morn | I did move the card from a half slot to a full slot |
| 22:19:04 | AeroSpace | Just never touch your hardware again. |
| 22:19:11 | Morn | that shouldn't be have caused any trouble |
| 22:19:12 | bornet | i'm now trying to install blob |
| 22:19:25 | Morn | AeroSpace: I'm one of those tinkerers |
| 22:20:24 | AeroSpace | same here, except my sound card seemed to die for no reason a couple weeks ago. If I ever get a job I'll replace it. |
| 22:20:37 | bornet | is the 12V for unlocking the flash important ? I have about 15V with battery. |
| 22:20:55 | AeroSpace | bornet: I wouldn't do it. |
| 22:21:04 | AlHazWork | what sort of battery? |
| 22:21:15 | AlHazWork | you only need a very small ammount of power |
| 22:21:24 | AlHazWork | a very new 9v battery would probably supply enough |
| 22:21:56 | bornet | AlHazWork: 3 battery for Lamp (3*4.5V) |
| 22:22:19 | AlHazWork | bornet: that might be a bit high, I wouldn't do it |
| 22:22:26 | AlHazWork | if you damage the flash it's all over |
| 22:23:03 | bornet | ok. so I will search a 9V battery or a 12V transfo. |
| 22:23:56 | bornet | before unlocking the flash, i'm playing with the inferno shell |
| 22:24:11 | AeroSpace | bornet: Open one of your pcs and use power from there. |
| 22:24:33 | bornet | how many time to have the command "c F!all D!inferno.backup" done ? |
| 22:24:46 | bornet | AeroSpace: ok. this can be a good option. |
| 22:24:56 | andersee | bornet: use batteries, not a transformer... |
| 22:25:45 | collord | andersee: ripple voltage? |
| 22:26:24 | bornet | andersee: i see i have also 1.5 battery. so, i can do : 2*4.5 + 2*1.5 => 12V |
| 22:28:56 | collord | looks like there is a libm issue with wireless-tools |
| 23:03:53 | bornet | can anybody say to me how much time it will take to do "c F!all D!inferno.backup" ? |
| 23:04:06 | AlHazWork | a long time |
| 23:04:15 | collord | 5 minutes or so? |
| 23:04:27 | sjm | bornet: Depends on baud rate - 9600 about an hour |
| 23:04:29 | AlHazWork | how long does it take to transfer 4 megs over a serial port? |
| 23:05:00 | collord | scary part is that the inferno.backup file is zero-size until it's done |
| 23:05:03 | bornet | sjm: it's at 115200 |
| 23:05:32 | bornet | collord: even worst : i don't see the file |
| 23:05:53 | collord | bornet: it's at the root inferno dir |
| 23:06:39 | bornet | collord: ok. i see it. |
| 23:08:13 | bornet | must the flash be unprotected for this ? |
| 23:08:14 | BZFlag | you could try a smaller piece first to see how long it will take. |
| 23:08:21 | BZFlag | P/m to dump the partitions |
| 23:09:30 | bornet | BZFlag: as this is started now, i will wait some time... |
| 23:10:29 | BZFlag | for example: c F!demon D!demon shold get a small (16k?) file. |
| 23:11:07 | BZFlag | flash does not need to be unprotected to read data. just to write new stuff. |
| 23:11:26 | bornet | from where do you have take the F!demon ? P/m show only numbers. |
| 23:11:48 | BZFlag | oh, sorry. just "P" |
| 23:12:07 | BZFlag | http://TuxScreen.net/wiki/view//InfernoRemote |
| 23:13:11 | bornet | thanks. i will try this. can i interrupt the actual copy without problem ? |
| 23:14:56 | AlHazWork | has anyone ever found a reason to reinstall inferno? |
| 23:15:56 | bornet | right, but i'm just trying to experiment the shell before rewriting the boot loader |
| 23:16:27 | bornet | don't want to have a problem when flashing blob... |
| 23:16:54 | AeroSpace | AlHazWork: I had to make a phone call the other day.... just kidding. |
| 23:19:32 | bornet | andersee: just for information, i have use a 11.5V to unprotect the flash (with 2*4.5V and 1*1.5V) |
| 23:20:21 | collord | and I unplugged my scanner and used its transformer with taped-on paperclip leads ;) |
| 23:20:29 | BZFlag | bornet: as you are just backing up date, you can reset the phone. do NOT do that when you are copying to the phone. |
| 23:21:07 | BZFlag | make sure P/m shows all 0s before trying to flash blob |
| 23:21:16 | bornet | BZFlag: ok. thanks. |
| 23:30:47 | bornet | strange... copy demon with size 4000 is really fast (~ 1sec), but copy sboot with size 14000 is now running since 8 minutes, and is not finished... |
| 23:31:21 | bornet | can it be a problem with my serial cable ? |
| 23:35:15 | collord | hrmm.. crti.o isn't in the toolchain i have... |
| 23:38:19 | | hmmm... andersee is running into "issues" and hence fixing uclibc bugs. |
| 23:38:19 | Russ|werk | andersee? |
| 23:45:35 | bornet | stepping down the speed from 115200 to 57600 seems to be a lot better... |
| 23:46:51 | sjm | bornet: I had to run at 38400 for reliable comms |
| 23:48:08 | bornet | sjm: ok. I will make the backup of all at 57600, then if this is OK, i can "LARTed me" |
| 23:48:32 | bornet | seem I need about 20 minutes for the backup... |
| 23:54:18 | Russ|werk | away |
| 23:54:46 | collord | hrm i suck at cross-compile... /usr/arm-linux/bin/ld: cannot open crti.o: No such file or directory |
| 23:55:10 | AlHazWork | collord: what toolchain are you using? |
| 23:55:38 | collord | AlHazWork the debian standard which I believe is the LART one |
| 23:55:57 | collord | AlHazWork: compiled buildroot-tux from CVS just fine though |
| 23:58:00 | AlHazWork | dunno what to tell you |
| 23:58:48 | collord | i guess there's just a certain amount of learning curve for x-compiling... |
| 23:59:09 | collord | OR there's a reason nobody has wireless tools for the tuxscreen... |
| 23:59:57 | AlHazWork | *shrug* |
