| 00:01:01 | TomW | holden: yeah, I see that is not working either. |
| 00:01:59 | holden | TomW: The blob upload worked first time though. Very quickly too, it's a lot smaller than Inferno. |
| 00:02:26 | TomW | holden: yes, they're running. OK, I need a blob now, what is current version? |
| 00:03:28 | holden | TomW: I don't remember, I just poked around the FTP site and picked the most recent one on there. Get the md5sum too and check they match. |
| 00:30:10 | TomW | BZFlag: :-) ok. |
| 00:32:17 | TomW | help names |
| 00:32:21 | TomW | oops |
| 00:41:13 | scanline | is away: food(sorta) |
| 00:50:16 | | wish i knew, tomw |
| 00:50:16 | TomW | ibot: what day is this? |
| 00:50:31 | | tomw: no idea |
| 00:50:31 | TomW | ibot: just what is it that you do know? |
| 00:50:42 | | i haven't a clue, tomw |
| 00:50:42 | TomW | ibot: how do you feel? |
| 00:51:02 | | tomw: i don't know |
| 00:51:02 | TomW | ibot: you don't know very much, do you? |
| 00:51:18 | | ibot's name is Billy |
| 00:51:18 | TomW | ibot: what is your name? |
| 00:51:29 | | tomw: i haven't a clue |
| 00:51:29 | TomW | ibot: what is my name? |
| 00:52:13 | file | a Helio I shall get, a Helio I shall get |
| 00:52:22 | file | what the heck - why is ChanServ here? |
| 00:52:35 | Russ|werk | oh....hello chanserv |
| 00:52:38 | file | is scared |
| 00:52:40 | Russ|werk | ChanServ: info file |
| 00:52:56 | file | eh? |
| 00:53:03 | Russ|werk | dunno |
| 00:53:12 | file | uh huh |
| 00:53:14 | Russ|werk | ChanServ: identify g0d |
| 00:53:20 | file | g0d, lol |
| 00:54:14 | Russ|werk | doesn't seem to respond like that |
| 01:09:17 | BZFlag | brought chanserv here for kicks |
| 01:09:37 | TomW | What is chanserv? |
| 01:10:31 | TomW | I'm still new to IRC and I was wondering what that green dot was for next to the ChanServ name, I just assumed it meant a SysOp. |
| 01:13:21 | holden | TomW: chanserv is a service running on the IRC server that lets you register channels and control who is allowed OP privileges and stuff. Try /msg chanserv help |
| 01:13:31 | scanline | is back (gone 00:32:18) |
| 01:17:17 | | andersee was last seen on #tuxscreen 13 hours, 37 minutes and 12 seconds ago, saying: wanna double check I got it right? [Fri Feb 1 11:40:05 2002] |
| 01:17:17 | jacques | ibot: seen andersee |
| 01:17:51 | SpaceCoaster | jacques: he did some changes to the build which should help you. |
| 01:18:10 | Russ|werk | anyone know a reliable way of producing CRLF in c? |
| 01:18:22 | jacques | SpaceCoaster: cool, since last night? I had a working buildroot last night |
| 01:19:06 | SpaceCoaster | jacques: He fixed the things that you bumped into. |
| 01:19:38 | jacques | SpaceCoaster: yeah, that's cool. I was hoping he would have time to get his c++ toolchain out... |
| 01:19:48 | holden | Russ|werk: "\r\n" |
| 01:20:11 | Russ|werk | \n is LF? |
| 01:20:17 | SpaceCoaster | Russ|werk: \015\013 |
| 01:20:26 | holden | Russ|werk: yes |
| 01:20:44 | Russ|werk | "\x0d\x0a" |
| 01:20:56 | SpaceCoaster | oops \015\012 |
| 01:21:12 | Russ|werk | umm |
| 01:21:22 | Russ|werk | \013\010? |
| 01:22:07 | holden | What's wrong with the standard C escapes? |
| 01:23:59 | Russ|werk | holden: In other OS's, don't they produce something else? |
| 01:24:14 | Russ|werk | or is that on the stdio layer, and not the string layer |
| 01:26:04 | holden | Russ|werk: They probably produce different numbers if you're running an EBCDIC based system rather than ASCII, but apart from that, AFAIK they're always the same. |
| 01:26:31 | Russ|werk | ok |
| 01:26:32 | Russ|werk | thanks |
| 01:27:37 | TomW | drat! I just bricked the TuxScreen. I don't understand, I followed all the instructions for installing the blob, it looked like everthing went okay, but it is dead. |
| 01:27:53 | file | pokes his head in |
| 01:27:55 | jacques | what happened? |
| 01:28:10 | jacques | TomW: you've power cycled it? |
| 01:28:26 | jacques | TomW: pull plug from wall - reset button might not work |
| 01:28:33 | TomW | I dunno. I got the correct message while flashing the unit. |
| 01:28:42 | jacques | TomW: but FIRST tell me what it's doing |
| 01:28:54 | jacques | TomW: which message did you get? |
| 01:30:42 | jacques | TomW: you there? which message did you get? are you typing it in? |
| 01:30:59 | holden | TomW: Are you running the serial terminal at 115200? Nothing appears on the LCD after you reset it, you have to use a remote terminal. |
| 01:31:23 | TomW | Oh, the instructions said to use 9600 baud to connect to it. |
| 01:31:43 | holden | TomW: That was for the older version of blob. |
| 01:31:56 | jacques | TomW: interstingly, three of my tuxes wanted 9600 while one insisted on 155k |
| 01:32:02 | jacques | 115k |
| 01:32:10 | jacques | on the inferno connect that is |
| 01:33:26 | sjm_home | cpenguin_work: Got nano-X running - microwindows is looking for /dev/ucb1200-ts, but it is not being created. |
| 01:33:30 | TomW | Ok, I turned off the power. Ran minicom up at 115K 8N1 on /dev/ttyS0, no handshaking. |
| 01:33:49 | jacques | TomW: you said you got a corect message while flashing - what was it? |
| 01:33:54 | TomW | Turned the power on, waited a few seconds, then hit Enter on the PC. Nothing. |
| 01:34:16 | sjm_home | cpenguin_work: Adding the appropriate entries to device_table.txt makes Good Things happen :) |
| 01:34:36 | holden | sjm_home: CosmicPenguin has gone home |
| 01:34:41 | jacques | TomW: which version of blob did you flash? did you check md5sum? |
| 01:34:42 | TomW | it was that the flash memory from 0-7fff was completed and it gave me a string of some garbage chars, but the wiki info said that this could happen. |
| 01:34:51 | jacques | yes, I got that too |
| 01:35:08 | TomW | Yes, tuxscreen-blob ver 0.4/ and I did check the md5sum. |
| 01:35:27 | jacques | ok 0.4 is good I use that |
| 01:35:44 | holden | TomW: You've quit Inferno on the PC, right? |
| 01:35:53 | jacques | holden: good point |
| 01:35:55 | TomW | yes. quit inferno. |
| 01:36:32 | jacques | TomW: minicom is 115k 8n1 no hardware handshake/ no software handshake? |
| 01:36:41 | jacques | TomW: looking at correct serial port? |
| 01:36:44 | TomW | I'll be back. I'm logging off the workstation to see if the serial port is hung by another process somewhere. |
| 01:37:03 | TomW | no hardware / software handshake, that is correct. |
| 01:37:08 | TomW | is away: I'm busy |
| 01:43:46 | TomW | scared the hell out of me! That darned inferno left about 20 copies of itself onto the process stack! I just rebooted to kill them all off, wanted to make sure nothing was messing with me. I have the blob running now, at 115k, not at 9600. WHOOPIE! |
| 01:44:09 | holden | Bah, Inferno sucks |
| 01:44:35 | jacques | TomW: thought so. |
| 01:44:51 | jacques | like i said, inferno emu is hell |
| 01:45:27 | jacques | TomW: since you got the correct flash message, chances were good that you were OK |
| 01:45:35 | TomW | jacques: yes it is a crappy system. Is there anyway to exit that thing without it leaving a copy of itself on the process stack? |
| 01:45:45 | holden | TomW: At least you can put a real OS on it now :) |
| 01:46:25 | TomW | Yes! Is there any way that I can screw up from this point on? |
| 01:46:27 | scanline | is away: friday night is anime night |
| 01:46:47 | holden | TomW: did you type "exit" to get out of emu? I just tried that and it worked. |
| 01:47:13 | jacques | thre is a special way to properly exit emu, but I dont remember it |
| 01:47:23 | jacques | I used kill -9 libreally |
| 01:47:36 | TomW | jacques: I mean, if I put a trash kernel in the unit, I can still use blob to put a good one in, right? Is there any way I could trash the blob? |
| 01:47:52 | holden | TomW: Don't run "flash blob". Other than that, the worst you can do is put a broken kernel/filesystem on it, but you can use blob to reflash the kernel and ramdisk. |
| 01:48:01 | jacques | TomW: as long as you font try to install a new bloc, you should be bulletproof |
| 01:48:12 | jacques | yeah, what holden said |
| 01:48:27 | jacques | font == dont bloc == blob |
| 01:48:46 | TomW | jacques: GOOD! Now to get that 0.4/ kernel + jffs image into the phone. |
| 01:49:03 | TomW | wipes forehead and mutters to himself. |
| 01:49:12 | holden | TomW: 0.5 is newer, or try the one you just built |
| 01:49:18 | jacques | TomW: yep, or you could try 0.5 kernel and jffs2 image |
| 01:49:28 | jacques | yeah, what holden said again |
| 01:49:40 | TomW | jacques: lets see how many hours it will take to download that stuff! |
| 01:49:49 | jacques | TomW: I would try 0.5 first |
| 01:50:06 | holden | TomW: Only a few minutes |
| 01:50:08 | jacques | TomW: followed by latest cvs buildroot |
| 01:50:09 | TomW | Ok, I need a known good and I downloaded 0.5/ |
| 01:50:31 | TomW | BBL |
| 01:50:31 | jacques | yeah, 0.5 first to get the process down with as few variables as possible |
| 01:50:40 | TomW | is away: I'm busy |
| 02:04:19 | TomW | still flashing. |
| 02:05:03 | TomW | jacques: the 'flash kernel' went quickly, but the 'flash ramdisk' takes a lot longer? |
| 02:05:12 | jacques | TomW: oops |
| 02:05:15 | jacques | TomW: heh |
| 02:05:22 | jacques | TomW: that's a bug in blob |
| 02:05:38 | jacques | TomW: if you do a reset after the kernel flash, the filesystem will also go fast |
| 02:05:51 | TomW | jacques: oh, it reflashes the kerel again + the ramdisk? |
| 02:06:13 | jacques | TomW: no, it's just a bug in that after the first file, things flash very slowly |
| 02:06:18 | file | eh? |
| 02:06:36 | jacques | file: sorry wasnt using your name in vain |
| 02:06:45 | file | :) |
| 02:07:03 | TomW | jacques: ok, I'll sit tight then, I don't want to stop it and risk screwing a flash sector. |
| 02:07:03 | jacques | TomW: some variable not getting reset properly or something, timing issue |
| 02:07:32 | jacques | TomW: yeah, in the future just remembre to reset after the kernel flash |
| 02:07:53 | jacques | I'd forgotten about that bug since I rarely flash both kernel and fs at once these days |
| 02:08:18 | holden | jacques: I don't think that's ever happened when I've done them both at once... |
| 02:08:33 | TomW | jacques: so, if I need to update the blob, I would download the new blob, then do a 'flash blob'? Does this work as expected, or, is this not yet tested? |
| 02:08:50 | sjm_home | holden: It's intermittent - sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't. |
| 02:09:22 | jacques | TomW: that should work but you should not need to update blob anytime soon |
| 02:09:33 | TomW | What do you do? cat the two images together to form one large image? like: cat kernel ramdisk > bigimage |
| 02:10:08 | jacques | TomW: no, nothing like that, just resetthe tuxscreen after flashing the kernel |
| 02:10:22 | TomW | oops! It is done, moment of truth here, time to 'boot' the system... |
| 02:10:33 | jacques | holden: which blob version are you using? |
| 02:10:50 | jacques | TomW: you did the write to flash? |
| 02:10:55 | holden | jaques: The same one TomW is using, from the 0.4 directory |
| 02:11:16 | jacques | holden: hmm, well I have always had that problem and that's how it was explained to me by BZFlag |
| 02:11:40 | TomW | all: hey! it works!!! heehee! |
| 02:11:52 | jacques | TomW: congrats |
| 02:12:27 | TomW | You guys have really been polishing this thing. I like the static image of Tux on the screen, shows professionalism! |
| 02:13:56 | jacques | TomW: you are running 0.5 kernel and fs ? |
| 02:13:58 | holden | TomW: That's just the standard linux framebuffer stuff. All Linux architectures do it. Unfortunately a bug in the kernel means you have to switch VTs and back before it will scroll the top part of the screen. |
| 02:17:18 | TomW | Yes, I am using 0.5/ |
| 02:18:28 | TomW | Can you mount a compact flash with this box? I have a 48Meg Lexar compact flash + pcmcia adapter. |
| 02:18:43 | jacques | sure |
| 02:18:56 | jacques | is it formatted? what fs? |
| 02:19:52 | TomW | I think I put a dos fs on it. |
| 02:20:18 | TomW | what do you do? mount /dev/hda1 /mnt |
| 02:21:01 | jacques | first, stick it in and do a 'cardctl status' |
| 02:22:22 | jacques | also, you might have to specify fs type with -t on the mount command |
| 02:23:57 | TomW | jacques: it is /dev/hda1 though? |
| 02:24:21 | jacques | TomW: yeah |
| 02:24:41 | jacques | TomW: /dev/hda at least, depends on how it's partitioned |
| 02:24:56 | jacques | TomW: what did cardctl status say? |
| 02:25:45 | holden | Good night everyone |
| 02:25:58 | TomW | jacques: shannon_pcmcia_configure_socket(): CS asked for 0V, still applying 3.3V.. |
| 02:25:59 | TomW | shannon_pcmcia_configure_socket(): Warning, Can't perform reset |
| 02:26:44 | jacques | TomW: yeah, the hardware on the tuxscreen can't do a PCMCIA reset, not a big deal |
| 02:27:00 | TomW | jacques: how do you highlight your message without having to type 'jacques: ' all the time? |
| 02:27:47 | TomW | jacques: time to load the kernel that I built today and see if it runs. |
| 02:28:47 | jacques | TomW: xchat does nick autocompletion (if you have it enabled) |
| 02:29:14 | jacques | TomW: j-TAB should enter 'jacques: ' for you |
| 02:29:39 | jacques | TomW: did you get your CF mounted? |
| 02:30:16 | TomW | jacques: thanks, I was going crazy with typing that in. |
| 02:30:40 | jacques | heh |
| 02:31:33 | TomW | jacques: no, I am loading my new kernel. I have a Lexar 16Meg that I will reformat on my notebook and try that out. Once I get the new kernel running, I will order two more of these units. I have plans... |
| 02:32:07 | AeroSpace | TomW: What are the plans? |
| 02:32:30 | jacques | TomW: CF is getting so cheap - I bought 128MB CF at Fry's the other day for $42 each |
| 02:34:24 | TomW | jacques: Yes, I know. I have been tinkering with compact flash for a while now (> 1 year) and I like the cost/meg factor copared with standard Flash devices. |
| 02:35:35 | jacques | I also have a 1GB IBM microdrive |
| 02:39:33 | TomW | jacques: do you cycle the power after an upload/flash operation, or, do you simply do a 'reboot' from within blob? |
| 02:41:18 | jacques | TomW: reboot works fine |
| 02:46:26 | TomW | jacques: 'cause burning the ramdisk still takes a long time. I will try a poweroff next time. But, what I really need to do is to get nfs working on this unit. All I have is a DLink DE-660 card. I tried that but it didn't connect it. It say the card but wouldn't attach it. I suspect that I will have to compile the driver into the kernel, or something like that. |
| 02:46:27 | jacques | TomW: is there any info on that card in the wiki? |
| 02:46:27 | jacques | TomW: there is a list of working cards there |
| 02:46:27 | jacques | TomW: some cards require 5V which will not work on an unmodified tuxscreen |
| 02:46:28 | AeroSpace | TomW: There is always serial! I got that working I just never figured out anyway to swap over it. |
| 02:46:28 | TomW | You mean PPP over the serial link, yes, I have done that before. |
| 02:49:01 | TomW | Well... My kernel image is garbage. It won't boot. |
| 02:50:15 | TomW | I used the arm-linux-gcc version 2.95.3 to build it with, rather than the debian cross compiler. Maybe I should reinstall the debian compiler, do a 'make dep ; make clean ; make' to rebuild? |
| 02:50:59 | jacques | how far did it get? |
| 02:51:41 | jacques | where did you get the kernel config file? |
| 02:51:54 | jacques | it is patched? |
| 02:54:42 | jacques | must...have...appetizer |
| 02:56:10 | TomW | jacques_food: I used the current cvs buildroot-tux, then just ran a 'make world'. The only problem I saw was with the pcmcia where the -perm +111 was killing make. |
| 02:57:30 | TomW | ok, I must power off between flashing, just doing a reboot from blob does not work. |
| 03:31:56 | TomW | Ok, I can build my own kernel. Thanks all for the help! |
| 03:36:24 | jacques | back |
| 04:20:30 | scanline | is back (gone 02:34:03) |
| 04:26:56 | TomW | jacques: I now have control over the kernel, I can compile my own version of it (vi linux/Makefile). Also, I reformatted the CF and I now have a 48Meg drive. |
| 04:37:12 | scanline | is away: getting blown up by ickysneeze and jigga |
| 04:40:45 | | hola, mehuman |
| 04:40:45 | mehuman | hi |
| 04:40:49 | mehuman | has anyone got linux phone programs to run correctly on tuxscreen? i.e. voice mail, caller id, etc. |
| 04:44:02 | TomW | mehuman: I just got one of them running linux, it was a bit of a job to collect everything together, but it is now running for me. I can compile a kernel and mount a 48Meg compact flash. Still a newbie though. |
| 04:50:51 | TomW | all: I just got a new ethernet card working with the TuxScreen! It is the DLink DE-660 model. |
| 04:51:06 | TomW | We have another card option! |
| 04:53:59 | mehuman | i was looking at the wiki and was wondering if anybody had done any of the things talked about |
| 04:59:47 | GPSFan | TomW: when you plugged your DE-660 into your Tux, what messages did you get, on the screen, and in /var/log/messages? |
| 05:40:23 | TomW | jacques: I just ordered two more from BZFlag. |
| 05:45:51 | jacques | TomW: :-) |
| 05:46:36 | jacques | TomW: what fs are you using on your CF? |
| 05:47:01 | jacques | TomW: I think ext3 is a good choice since it's journalled |
| 05:47:50 | jacques | TomW: you should update the wiki about that NIC if you haven't already |
| 05:50:37 | TomW | jacques: I tried, but I didn't recall my login.. The filesystem on the CF is ext2. |
| 05:51:16 | TomW | jacques: I did post a message to the list serever about the DLink card. |
| 05:53:35 | TomW | jacques: right now, I am trying to figure out how to make my system changes can become part of my build. This is to have the romfs build with my /etc/fstab options, automagically config the network interface, and to mount an nfs volume from the workstation. there does not appear to be an /etc/rc or /etc/rc.d/rc.local file anywhere. |
| 06:00:26 | jacques | TomW: maybe in the skeleton directory? |
| 06:11:35 | TomW | jacques: nope, the skel is when you add users. I just posted the new info to the Wiki about the network card. |
| 06:12:54 | jacques | TomW: why cant you edit buildroot-tux/target_skeleton/etc/fstab ? |
| 06:13:20 | jacques | or make your own sources/skel.tar |
| 06:14:38 | TomW | jacques: let me look, stuff may not be what I expect it to be, and where it might be. After all, I think that andersee has had a heavy hand in how this filesystem is organized? As well as RMK. |
| 06:15:06 | TomW | jacques: what are you doing? Are you at work? |
| 06:15:28 | jacques | TomW: yes I am at work |
| 06:15:46 | TomW | jacques: where are you? Canada? |
| 06:17:23 | jacques | TomW: bay area, CA |
| 06:20:22 | TomW | jacques: I am in Stroudsburg, PA. Not exactly the hotbed of the embedded world, but I make a living at it. Look at a map and see where I-80 crosses over from PA to NJ and I am there. |
| 06:34:13 | TomW | jacques: found it, the equiv of /etc/rc.d/rc is /etc/linuxrc. |
| 06:43:38 | TomW | BZFlag: just ordered two more units. Nice "toy"! |
| 06:44:14 | BZFlag | heh, I agree! |
| 06:44:20 | BZFlag | brb |
| 06:46:25 | TomW | BZFlag: got quite a scare when I blob-ed the unit and nothing happened on powerup + minicom. That inferno is a peice of cr@p! |
| 06:46:52 | BZFlag | heh, you got it now though, right? |
| 06:47:57 | TomW | BZFlag: yes, jacques helped me keep my head on straight and I killed off all the emu's from inferno, then when the serial port was clear, minicom got the LART welcome. |
| 06:48:38 | TomW | BZFlag: BTW, the DLink DE-660 ethernet card also works on the TuxScreen. |
| 06:49:11 | BZFlag | just read the email. cool. |
| 06:49:37 | TomW | BZFlag: yes, I don't have to spend money on expensive ethernet cards.. |
| 06:55:40 | TomW | BZFlag: Interesting problem, you cannot boot the system with the card intstalled and get it recognized. You have to install the card after the boot has completed and then theh pcmcia cardmgr sees it. |
| 06:58:56 | TomW | yawns and calls it a night! |
| 06:59:05 | jacques | you mean if the card is in when you boot, the system boots all the way up but the card is not seen by card services? |
| 07:00:03 | jacques | d'oh |
| 07:42:56 | jacques | hi andersee |
| 07:43:13 | jacques | how's the toolchain going? :-) |
| 07:45:50 | andersee | coming along. |
| 07:46:02 | jacques | cool |
| 07:46:04 | andersee | I've been spending a _bunch_ of time on the docs.... |
| 07:46:37 | andersee | You are going to be _very_ surprised when you see the updated "working applications list"... :) |
| 07:47:02 | jacques | I can't wait :-D |
| 07:54:09 | jacques | and I commend you for doing documentation |
| 07:55:24 | andersee | Well, mostly just a _huge_ list of stuff that now works. And a few things that don't... |
| 07:55:40 | andersee | But I also updated the FAQ for grammar and such... |
| 07:57:05 | jacques | when does the new working apps list go up? |
| 07:58:52 | jacques | and how did you find out about the newly working apps? did ppl tell you or did you have to build them all yourself? |
| 07:58:58 | andersee | I can post what I have so far. Not 100% completed, but close.... |
| 07:59:24 | jacques | I dont mean to rush you |
| 07:59:52 | andersee | Ok. Here is the latest.... |
| 07:59:54 | andersee | http://www.uclibc.org/uClibc-apps.html |
| 08:01:15 | jacques | wow |
| 08:02:10 | andersee | :-) |
| 08:02:46 | jacques | wow, I could almost build a whole LFS dist using uclibc now |
| 08:03:27 | andersee | Thats the idea. :) |
| 08:04:04 | jacques | what're the implications of this: c++-compiler compiler work fine, libio build currently fails |
| 08:06:09 | andersee | I need to look into that part of things a bit further. There is no real need for libio IMHO. I just had it reported. libio has built fine for me, but there may be an issue lurking in there somewhere.... |
| 08:07:04 | jacques | and you say that's not even the complete list? |
| 08:07:24 | jacques | heh, I gues I didn't see FLTK in there ;-) |
| 08:07:34 | andersee | Havn't tried it.... |
| 08:07:42 | andersee | I expect it would work |
| 08:07:56 | jacques | it's c++ (as I'm sure you know) |
| 08:08:36 | andersee | yup |
| 08:08:40 | jacques | I'd love to try it |
| 08:08:49 | andersee | All the C++ I've tried has worked for me... |
| 08:09:39 | andersee | Mostly just little test apps exercising global constructors/destructors inheritance and whatnot. |
| 08:09:55 | jacques | great |
| 08:10:13 | andersee | And tests of iostreams stuf |
| 08:10:39 | jacques | i have a secret app I wanna try just for fun |
| 08:20:38 | andersee | Lemme pack up my builder scipt. Then you can play with what I have so far and give me some feeback.... |
| 08:21:17 | andersee | The current setup creates an arm cross compiler... hope that works for you. |
| 08:25:45 | jacques | that would be excellent!!! |
| 08:31:25 | jacques | andersee: I'm going home - I will be on from there. |
| 08:31:29 | andersee | k |
| 08:54:18 | jacques | ok, I'm home now |
| 08:56:07 | andersee | http://www.codepoet.org/uclibc-arm-toolchain-builder.tar.bz2 |
| 08:56:16 | andersee | Be aware, it is 23 Meg... |
| 08:56:27 | jacques | cool |
| 08:56:40 | andersee | But that should build you an arm/uClibc toolchain |
| 08:56:49 | jacques | :-) |
| 08:57:17 | andersee | I should put that somewhere other than my home box. |
| 08:57:40 | jacques | I just started downloading - do you want to move it first? |
| 08:58:27 | andersee | nah |
| 09:00:33 | andersee | Oh. It is currently setup to create the toolchain under the current directory. |
| 09:00:54 | jacques | that's fine |
| 09:01:02 | andersee | If you want it to live under /opt or /usr/local you may need to build the whole thing as root.... |
| 09:01:22 | andersee | Or fixup the perms for /opt or /usr/local |
| 09:02:20 | jacques | usually I put my toolchain in /usr/local/arm and makde that dir writable by myself |
| 09:02:53 | andersee | yeah, I do that sortof thing too |
| 09:02:54 | jacques | hmm, dl stalled |
| 09:03:05 | andersee | My build finished.... |
| 09:03:23 | jacques | ah it started again |
| 09:19:27 | andersee | The C++ binaries are still too big. |
| 09:19:39 | andersee | Some extra stuff is being staticly linked in |
| 09:19:41 | andersee | [andersen@dillweed test]$ ls -la ./test ./test2 |
| 09:19:41 | andersee | -rwxr-xr-x 1 andersen andersen 39880 Feb 2 02:05 ./test* |
| 09:19:41 | andersee | -rwxr-xr-x 1 andersen andersen 40015 Feb 2 02:05 ./test2* |
| 09:19:42 | andersee | [andersen@dillweed test]$ /home/andersen/CVS/uClibc/ldso/util/ldd ./test |
| 09:19:42 | andersee | libstdc++.so.2 => not found |
| 09:19:42 | andersee | libm.so.0 => not found |
| 09:19:44 | andersee | libc.so.0 => not found |
| 09:19:46 | andersee | /lib/ld-uClibc.so.0 => /lib/ld-uClibc.so.0 |
| 09:19:48 | andersee | [andersen@dillweed test]$ /home/andersen/CVS/uClibc/ldso/util/ldd ./test2 |
| 09:19:51 | andersee | libstdc++.so.2 => not found |
| 09:19:53 | andersee | libm.so.0 => not found |
| 09:19:55 | andersee | libc.so.0 => not found |
| 09:19:58 | andersee | /lib/ld-uClibc.so.0 => /lib/ld-uClibc.so.0 |
| 09:20:21 | andersee | This is the same stuff linked with glibc..... |
| 09:20:24 | andersee | [andersen@dillweed test]$ ls -la ./test ./test2 |
| 09:20:24 | andersee | -rwxr-xr-x 1 andersen andersen 6887 Feb 2 02:21 ./test* |
| 09:20:24 | andersee | -rwxr-xr-x 1 andersen andersen 7050 Feb 2 02:21 ./test2* |
| 09:20:49 | andersee | So an extra 30k of crap is getting accidentally linked in it seems. |
| 09:43:15 | BZFlag | what does ldd on the glibc versions show? |
| 09:44:00 | andersee | [andersen@dillweed test]$ ldd test |
| 09:44:00 | andersee | libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 => /usr/lib/libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 (0x40016000) |
| 09:44:00 | andersee | libm.so.6 => /lib/libm.so.6 (0x40060000) |
| 09:44:00 | andersee | libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (0x40082000) |
| 09:44:00 | andersee | /lib/ld-linux.so.2 => /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x40000000) |
| 09:44:01 | andersee | [andersen@dillweed test]$ ldd test2 |
| 09:44:02 | andersee | libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 => /usr/lib/libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 (0x40016000) |
| 09:44:04 | andersee | libm.so.6 => /lib/libm.so.6 (0x40060000) |
| 09:44:08 | andersee | libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (0x40082000) |
| 09:44:10 | andersee | /lib/ld-linux.so.2 => /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x40000000) |
| 09:45:00 | BZFlag | both stripped? |
| 09:45:07 | BZFlag | (well all 4?) |
| 09:45:12 | BZFlag | and go to bed already. ;-) |
| 09:46:15 | andersee | BZFlag: http://www.codepoet.org/uclibc-arm-toolchain-builder.tar.bz2 |
| 09:46:18 | andersee | [andersen@dillweed test]$ ls -la test test2 |
| 09:46:18 | andersee | -rwxr-xr-x 1 andersen andersen 4252 Feb 2 02:48 test* |
| 09:46:18 | andersee | -rwxr-xr-x 1 andersen andersen 4436 Feb 2 02:48 test2* |
| 09:46:18 | andersee | [andersen@dillweed test]$ file test test2 |
| 09:46:19 | andersee | test: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped |
| 09:46:20 | andersee | test2: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped |
| 09:46:27 | andersee | They wern't stripped. |
| 09:47:06 | andersee | [andersen@dillweed test]$ ls -la test test2 |
| 09:47:06 | andersee | -rwxr-xr-x 1 andersen andersen 37172 Feb 2 02:48 test* |
| 09:47:06 | andersee | -rwxr-xr-x 1 andersen andersen 37332 Feb 2 02:48 test2* |
| 09:47:06 | andersee | [andersen@dillweed test]$ /home/andersen/CVS/uClibc/ldso/util/ldd ./test |
| 09:47:06 | andersee | libstdc++.so.2 => not found |
| 09:47:08 | andersee | libm.so.0 => not found |
| 09:47:10 | andersee | libc.so.0 => not found |
| 09:47:12 | andersee | /lib/ld-uClibc.so.0 => /lib/ld-uClibc.so.0 |
| 09:47:14 | andersee | [andersen@dillweed test]$ /home/andersen/CVS/uClibc/ldso/util/ldd ./test2 |
| 09:47:16 | andersee | libstdc++.so.2 => not found |
| 09:47:18 | andersee | libm.so.0 => not found |
| 09:47:21 | andersee | libc.so.0 => not found |
| 09:47:23 | andersee | /lib/ld-uClibc.so.0 => /lib/ld-uClibc.so.0 |
| 09:48:28 | BZFlag | gen a map file? |
| 09:49:58 | BZFlag | -Wl,-Map,foo.map |
| 09:53:59 | andersee | I just emailed it to you |
| 10:05:02 | holden | Morning all. Has anyone else seen the linuxdevices.com article about using GTK+ on top of X as an embedded GUI? |
| 10:08:35 | andersee | yeah, pretty nifty looking article |
| 10:09:10 | andersee | Would be nice to see the whole lot open sourced... |
| 10:09:51 | holden | wonders how much bigger it would be with GTK+ 2.0 |
| 10:10:13 | andersee | hehe |
| 10:10:34 | andersee | I've not poked at gtk 2.0 myself. dunno |
| 10:12:51 | holden | andersee: It's cool how they've managed to alter the look so much with themes. |
| 10:16:11 | BZFlag | andersee: how does that compare with a glibc linked version? |
| 10:17:07 | BZFlag | is this right? - /home/andersen/CVS/gcc/2.95/toolchain/arm-elf/lib/libstdc++.so |
| 10:18:42 | BZFlag | .text 0x00008448 0x5a4 test.o < that line on the other would be interesting |
| 10:20:30 | andersee | BZFlag: I just sent you the glibc map file for comparison |
| 10:24:59 | andersee | holden: indeed. I thought it looked pretty dang nice. |
| 10:26:36 | andersee | BZFlag: See the "latest working apps list"? http://www.uclibc.org/uClibc-apps.html |
| 10:40:51 | BZFlag | andersee: saw the list. looks nice. |
| 10:41:48 | andersee | Was a miserable pain to assemble, but I expect its completeness should impress people... |
| 10:41:53 | BZFlag | looks like inlines or something. test.o is much larger. |
| 10:42:14 | BZFlag | and perhaps prompt people to send you more items. ;-) |
| 10:42:22 | andersee | I think things are being staticly linked |
| 10:42:24 | andersee | :-) |
| 10:42:32 | BZFlag | wonders if mesa+bzflag would work on uclibc now |
| 10:42:53 | andersee | muhahahaha |
| 10:42:56 | BZFlag | must sleep. nite |
| 10:42:59 | andersee | night |
| 14:05:19 | sha-quill | hi |
| 14:46:12 | TomW | shuffles in with a cup of tea |
| 14:46:36 | TomW | Good morning all. |
| 14:49:55 | TomW | Is anyone booting the root filesystem off a Compact Flash disk yet? |
| 15:35:42 | | file: Something failed in connecting to the NOAA web server. Try again later. |
| 15:35:42 | file | ibot weather cyqm |
| 15:35:42 | file | pretty please? |
| 15:35:59 | | file: Something failed in connecting to the NOAA web server. Try again later. |
| 15:35:59 | file | ibot weather cyqm |
| 15:38:06 | | file: Something failed in connecting to the NOAA web server. Try again later. |
| 15:38:06 | file | ibot weather cyqm |
| 15:38:06 | file | takes ibot and throws it around the room |
| 15:40:28 | firefox | file: what're you doing to that poor ibot? |
| 15:40:38 | file | trying to get my weather report |
| 15:40:53 | firefox | it can do that? |
| 15:40:54 | TomW | file: look outside the window. |
| 15:41:01 | file | nah |
| 15:41:05 | file | firefox: yes it can |
| 15:41:12 | TomW | no windows? |
| 15:41:20 | | firefox: Try a 4-letter station code (see http://weather.noaa.gov/weather/curcond.html for locations and codes) |
| 15:41:20 | firefox | ibot: weather uk |
| 15:41:31 | | firefox: huh? |
| 15:41:31 | firefox | ibot: okay |
| 15:41:36 | file | TomW: it don't say temperature/wind chill |
| 15:41:54 | | firefox: wish i knew |
| 15:41:54 | firefox | ibot: do you have a homepage? |
| 15:42:09 | TomW | I stuck my head out the door this morning: sunny and freakin' cold out there. |
| 15:43:35 | file | it's 14 farenheit out |
| 15:44:04 | | file: Something failed in connecting to the NOAA web server. Try again later. |
| 15:44:04 | file | ibot weather cyqm |
| 15:44:10 | file | bah |
| 15:44:16 | | file: excuse me? |
| 15:44:16 | file | ibot: your broken |
| 15:44:24 | | file: sorry... |
| 15:44:24 | file | ibot: Segmentation fault. |
| 15:44:32 | file | it's not your fault |
| 15:45:49 | TomW | file: I had only 20F here. I'll wait a while before venturing out. |
| 15:46:01 | file | yup |
| 15:46:23 | file | it probably won't get warmer... |
| 15:46:35 | file | firefox: you have a Helio don't you? |
| 15:47:55 | firefox | file: yep |
| 15:48:04 | file | firefox: neat |
| 15:48:12 | firefox | hehe |
| 15:48:25 | firefox | they're very well screwed-together little devices |
| 15:48:46 | file | uh huh |
| 15:49:01 | | firefox: Something failed in connecting to the NOAA web server. Try again later. |
| 15:49:01 | firefox | ibot: weather mauk |
| 15:49:46 | firefox | file: the proprietry os that comes with them (VT-OS) is kinda cool, too |
| 15:49:59 | file | nods |
| 15:50:29 | firefox | you can even get the source, but the license prohibits you from using it for any non-Helio PDA |
| 15:50:37 | file | I have the source |
| 15:50:55 | firefox | that's not a lot of use, seeing as how vtech are leaving the pda business =( |
| 15:51:59 | file | too bad really... |
| 15:52:44 | firefox | yeah, it's a really nice lightweight os, and the apps are really well thought out |
| 15:52:45 | file | a few weeks and I shall have a Helio... |
| 15:53:07 | firefox | how come it's taking *weeks*? |
| 15:53:27 | file | firefox: uh, USPS shipping |
| 15:53:54 | firefox | oh. i suppose it's a pretty big country... |
| 15:53:56 | file | it's... not so fast |
| 15:54:08 | file | firefox: well, this is US to Canada shipping :) |
| 15:54:34 | firefox | ah, right |
| 15:54:53 | file | plus I gotta send out my Cybiko's |
| 15:55:17 | firefox | thinks cybikos are kind of cool |
| 15:55:22 | file | maybe I'll get 'em sent out Tuesday |
| 15:56:09 | file | I'm just using an elastic to put them together, throwing in the power/link cables, an instruction booklet, and away it goes |
| 15:56:20 | file | not even including the original boxes |
| 15:57:17 | firefox | :-O |
| 15:57:31 | file | dances |
| 15:57:46 | file | firefox: care for an old ISA 8MB video card? |
| 15:59:00 | firefox | file: er, thanks all the same, but i don't really have a use for one (besides, think of the ca->uk shipping) |
| 15:59:11 | file | ca->uk shipping ain't that bad |
| 16:00:23 | firefox | well, thanks anyway, but i'm sorted for video cards |
| 16:00:52 | file | k |
| 16:09:07 | TomW | Is anyone running microwindows or picogui? |
| 18:14:47 | TomW | AeroSpace: thanks for your help yesterday, I appreciated that. |
| 18:19:45 | AeroSpace | TomW: No problem. What are your plans for 3(or more) tuxscreens? I have two. |
| 18:25:07 | firefox | [ot] does ibot have a webpage? |
| 18:25:08 | TomW | AeroSpace: One goes to my sister to replace a computer she gave away (it was too big for her to find a place for it). Another is mine to play with. Another will be cannabilized for the ARM CPU board, it will be used to construct a proof-of-concept system to show to a customer. |
| 18:27:37 | file | eh? |
| 18:27:43 | AeroSpace | TomW: What's the status on X? I haven't played with mine since December when the latest 2.4 kernel wouldn't work with the touch screen. I want to use them for X-termainls. I have three real computers right now I'm using with a program I wrote so one mouse and keyboard controls all of them. |
| 18:29:16 | AeroSpace | TomW: I tried installing debian with all the storage on nfs, but I couldn't figure out any swap over the network. TuxScreen just doesn't have enough memory to install any packages that way. |
| 18:29:56 | TomW | AeroSpace: I don't know yet. I tried the nano-X but it complained that it couldn't open the mouse. I assume it was referring to the touch panel being emulated as a mouse device. |
| 18:31:47 | TomW | AeroSpace: I am using a 48Meg Compact Flash. I have it mounted on /opt, my DLink DE-660 ethernet is working, and I can mount a volume on the workstation via nfs. The plan is to continue the development on the workstation and eventually fill the CF with the resulting binaries. |
| 18:31:50 | AeroSpace | I wonder if nano-X has the xtesting extension, because that is why my program requires. |
| 18:32:40 | TomW | AeroSpace: I tried to compile the picgui but it aborted with an error complaining of a missing header file. |
| 18:33:28 | TomW | I'm still hacking the file system, learning where things are placed. I did try to mount / (rootfs) via nfs, that wasn't pretty! |
| 18:33:40 | file | ^.^ |
| 18:34:52 | TomW | AeroSpace: right now, I am trying to figure out how to fix the reset problem on the pcmcia port. It is annoying to have to re-insert the ethernet card after a powerup to get it to work. Once I do that, I can to resets / reboots without losing the card. |
| 18:35:48 | AeroSpace | TomW: You might look on the tuxscreen site, I thought they had some information on how to do that up. Hardware hacking that is. |
| 18:39:50 | TomW | AeroSpace: yes, I know I stumbled across that, but now I cannot find it. Looking at the schematics for the pcmcia ports, it shows that there is a reset line to each of the slots. I am not sure if this schematic is what was shipped with the shannon, or if it is after the mod had been done. |
| 18:40:11 | TomW | waves at file |
| 18:40:57 | file | waves back |
| 18:50:29 | GPSFan | TomW: the schematics were reverse engineered from the pc boards. I have a software reset solution, but it eats up one of the GPIO's, which might not be too bad. It would also require some driver work. |
| 18:53:22 | TomW | GPSFan: I would be interested in seeing what you have. Just what is wrong with the reset now? Is it a problem with the pcmcia driver that is not wiggling the reset pins on the slots? |
| 19:01:24 | TomW | Are these schematics in the download area created with EagleCad or is it PadsPCB? |
| 19:05:40 | GPSFan | TomW: the problem with the reset now is that the reset of the pcmcia slots is basically just a power on reset. when the driver calls for the pcmcia slot to be reset nothing happens except the message gets sent out. My mod would take a GPIO and "OR" it into the reset lines so that the driver could wiggle that GPIO and you would reset the card. |
| 19:06:06 | GPSFan | TomW: the schematics were drawn in Orcad Capture 7.01 |
| 19:10:23 | TomW | GPSFan: hmm.. I gave up on orcad a few years ago, couldn't afford to purchase it. I use Eagle now. |
| 19:11:26 | TomW | GPSFan: looks like the reset is applied in linux/drivers/pcmcia/cs.c |
| 19:12:26 | GPSFan | TomW: orcad was great and even affordable years ago, I started with their 386 stuff, by the time they were bought out they had become bloated and tooo expensive. I may convert to eagle some day ,but Capture is what I have and know. |
| 19:13:36 | GPSFan | TomW: the hardware mod is extremely simple, and makes use of GPIO23 which is unused. The mod requires 1 3.3K resistor and 1 cut. |
| 19:26:22 | TomW | GPSFan: ok, I will look into this when the other phones arrive. I only have to use the Compact Flash for this system and get a modem working on it. |
| 19:36:40 | GPSFan | TomW: I sort of lost interest in the reset fix since my MHz ethernet card, Clik drive, CF cards, PCMCIA HDD's work fine without it. But I just got an NE2000 compatible card that won't work, so it may be a reset problem. So, I'm interested again. I think that the actual hardware bit twiddling is not in cs.c because it is specific to the hardware platform, more likely it should be in sa1100-shannon.c. |
| 19:52:02 | TomW | GPSFan: yes, I saw that: shannon_pcmcia_configure_socket(). I have to learn how to do hardware manipulation with an ARM processor. My main experience has been with uClinux on a 68K processor. |
| 19:53:07 | TomW | GPSFan: My DLink card comes up as: eth0: NE2000 Compatible: io 0xf7000300, irq 48, hw_addr 00:80:C8:8E:99:70 |
| 19:53:57 | TomW | GPSFan: all I have to do is pop it out and reinsert it and it gets configured. |
| 20:12:37 | scanline | is back (gone 15:35:26) |
| 20:35:49 | GPSFan | TomW: back from outside chores.. I get 3-5 messages of the SA1100-shannon.c "can't perform reset" messages on insertion/extraction. Hopefully someday busybox umount will be fixed so that it will umount /dev/xxxx. then nfs mount/unmount can work automatically along with HDD unmounts on cardctl eject (id). |
| 20:41:45 | TomW | GPSFan: are you sure that it isn't a problem of it being a 5 volt card? Might be something simple. I am considering taking this unit apart and mod one of the pcmcia slots to +5 so that I can see if my modem will work. |
| 20:47:13 | GPSFan | TomW: sorry, it is a 5V card and I've done the 5V mod, I can read the cis but as soon as I try to ifconfig it, I start getting hw address mismap followed by lots of nasty messages followed by a kernel panic. I also get "pcnet_reset_8390 did not complete" upon insertion. |
| 20:48:38 | GPSFan | TomW: the card is in the supported list for pcnet.cs. it is an epson een10b. |
| 20:51:44 | TomW | GPSFan: This is weird! Both the modem and the DLink card ID via 'cardctl status' as being 5 volt cards when tested in my notebook. When I take these cards and instert them into the shannon, there they ID as being 3.3v cards! |
| 20:52:53 | scanline | is away: standing in the wet room |
| 20:53:01 | GPSFan | TomW: they probably are 5v/3.3V cards, which will work at both voltages. |
| 20:53:17 | AeroSpace | TomW: That's cool, maybe my eithernet card will work in there too. |
| 20:53:53 | GPSFan | TomW: most "modern" cards should be 5V/3.3V I've got a lot of old 5V only cards. |
| 20:54:29 | TomW | hmm, ok. Now I've got to figure out why the pcmcia sources are not compiling in serial_cs.c so I can get them modem running. |
| 20:54:42 | TomW | AeroSpace: which card do you have? |
| 20:55:24 | AeroSpace | GPSFan: Mine's old Intel EtherExpress(TM) PRO/100 PC Card Mobile Adapter16 PRO/100 M16A; at least to me it seems old. |
| 20:56:16 | GPSFan | AeroSpace: is it a cardbus or PCMCIA card? cardbus will NOT work in a Tux. |
| 20:56:28 | AeroSpace | 5V 16-bit PC Card |
| 20:56:47 | GPSFan | AeroSpace: then it may work with the 5V mod. |
| 20:56:47 | AeroSpace | If it was cardbus I would call it modern. |
| 20:57:21 | AeroSpace | GPSFan: What's the chance it would work without? |
| 20:58:17 | GPSFan | AeroSpace: best way to tell is try it. depending on the driver it may not like the Bad VCC message that will result when the card asks for 5V and the Tux only has 3.3V. |
| 20:59:06 | GPSFan | AeroSpace: that card may need it's driver enabled, or compiled into the kernel. |
| 20:59:24 | AeroSpace | GPSFan: Is there any risk of damaging the card by plugging it in a 3.3V slot? |
| 21:03:04 | GPSFan | AeroSpace: there should not be, most 5V cards can read the cis at 3.3V, but may not function. all 5v/3.3v cards are supposed to function at either voltage. 3.3v only cards are supposed to ve keyed against inserting into a 5V slot. |
| 21:03:46 | AeroSpace | I may drop off irc while I try it... |
| 21:03:53 | GPSFan | AeroSpace: so if you change one or both slots to 5V, be careful of inserting 3.3V only cards. |
| 21:06:31 | | hey, sjm_home |
| 21:06:31 | sjm_home | Hi |
| 21:08:45 | AeroSpace | It identified it as a 3.5V 16-bit PC Card, but it gave me three warnings about reset. I may try installing the driver later, but I'm not even using the serial ppp I have up right now. |
| 21:09:13 | AeroSpace | I did get an interesting message when I ejected the card, "CS asked for 0V, still applying 3.3V.." |
| 21:09:57 | GPSFan | AeroSpace: yeah, that's another shannon specific message meanint that shannon has no controll over the pcmcia VCC. |
| 21:10:39 | GPSFan | AeroSpace: the pcmcia VCC is basically hardwired to 3.3V (or 5V if you mod it) |
| 21:11:22 | AeroSpace | Now if I could only figure out one of those swap over network patches then I could install the full debian-arm for X. |
| 21:12:42 | AeroSpace | GPSFan: I haven't done anything with them since December. Is the touch screen working again? Any info on sound? |
| 21:12:52 | GPSFan | AeroSpace: lots of people have pivot-root working. I'm not one of them ;>( still haven't figured it out. |
| 21:13:45 | AeroSpace | GPSFan: pivot-root would be one of the last things for me to try. chroot is easier for me while I'm still playing. |
| 21:14:48 | GPSFan | AeroSpace: I'm still early in the learning curve for Linux, much is still black magic to me. |
| 21:16:31 | file | erm |
| 21:20:24 | AeroSpace | GPSFan: I've been using it for years. Swapping over the network is frustrating because I've tried a nfs swap and two variations on a network block device swap without getting any of them to work. I can't install debian-arm because it takes more memory than the tux has, and so far I don't have anything to swap to. |
| 21:23:57 | scanline | is back (gone 00:31:04) |
| 21:49:02 | mehuman | what do i do when my tuxscreen wants to dial a number to get a software download? |
| 21:49:20 | BZFlag | reboot, hit esc, hit 2 |
| 21:49:24 | mehuman | k |
| 21:49:39 | file | BZFlag: Only 400 left? |
| 21:49:58 | BZFlag | http://TuxScreen.net/wiki/view//SoftwareDownload |
| 21:50:13 | BZFlag | file: over 400. about 480 at present. |
| 21:50:20 | file | uh huh |
| 21:51:28 | mehuman | ok it worked |
| 21:51:37 | mehuman | now i am ready to put a real os on |
| 21:51:43 | TomW | Does anyone know if modprobe (modules) will work on the shannon ARM kernel? |
| 21:52:05 | mehuman | what is the list of materials needed to put linux on the tuxscreen? |
| 21:52:10 | mehuman | serial cable, etc |
| 21:52:45 | TomW | mehuman: a serial cable, null modem, and a 12 volt battery. |
| 21:52:45 | AeroSpace | mehuman: serial null modem, another computer and software |
| 21:53:16 | AeroSpace | mehuman: Me I just grabbed 12V from my computer's power supply. |
| 21:53:55 | mehuman | thats what i was thinking for the 12v |
| 21:54:19 | mehuman | would the ground from the power supply work too? |
| 21:54:29 | mehuman | the black cable |
| 21:54:53 | AeroSpace | Anytime you are working with electronics you want to take the power and ground from the same device. |
| 21:55:01 | mehuman | k |
| 21:55:59 | AeroSpace | mehuman: The other trick is to take tape to cover up all but the pads you need. I went as far as to follow the trace so 5V and ground were further apart. |
| 21:56:48 | mehuman | AeroSpace: that is a good idea don't want to fry it the day after i got it |
| 22:16:01 | TomW | mehuman: do you have a TuxScreen yet? |
| 22:37:26 | mehuman | TomW: yes i do |
| 22:38:18 | TomW | So you are getting ready to wipe it clean and install linux on it? I did mine yesterday. |
| 22:38:26 | mehuman | yes i am |
| 22:39:03 | mehuman | i still need to run out and get a null modem cable |
| 22:44:14 | TomW | mehuman: and a good soldering iron. |
| 22:44:30 | mehuman | already have one of those |
| 22:44:46 | AeroSpace | TomW: What are you going to use a soldering iron for? |
| 22:46:08 | TomW | mehuman: all you have to do is tack solder the wires to those two pads. Don't do like I did and attempt to solder wick them clean. The 12v supply is only needed for the unlock procedure, it is not needed once you successfully unclock (and unprotected) the Flash. |
| 22:46:32 | TomW | AeroSpace: I use it all the time, light my cigars with it. ;-) |
| 22:46:40 | mehuman | TomW: hehe |
| 22:47:02 | TomW | I gotta get out of here and get some food! |
| 22:47:19 | TomW | is away: raiding the kitchen |
| 22:54:52 | | file: Something failed in connecting to the NOAA web server. Try again later. |
| 22:54:52 | file | ibot weather cyqm |
| 22:57:39 | scanline | is away: buying overpriced fruit drinks for yuppies |
| 23:04:19 | scanline | is back (gone 00:06:39) |
| 23:04:44 | captain_proton | fruit drinks for yuppies? |
| 23:12:26 | scanline | captain_proton: i was gonna get some Sobe from Nonnas', but i forgot they're closed on weekends |
| 23:12:39 | captain_proton | ahh |