| 00:00:22 | AlHazWork | "Peoples called of Rome, they go 'ouse?!" |
| 00:00:32 | CosmicPenguin | AlHazWork: Easily, the funniest scene in the whole movie... |
| 00:00:35 | SpaceCoaster | AlHazWork: true |
| 00:00:58 | AlHazWork | Now! I want it a hundred times by morning, or I'll cut your balls of!" |
| 00:01:49 | SpaceCoaster | Otter spleans, badgers nostrils, get'em while their hot. |
| 00:02:13 | SpaceCoaster | Peoples Front of Judea, splitters! |
| 00:02:48 | SpaceCoaster | AlHazWork: hmm, there might have also been what is known in these here parts as "Language". |
| 00:03:35 | AlHazWork | SpaceCoaster: It was a very surreal momemnt for me, about six months ago, when CNN started reporting on the Popular Front of Judea . . . |
| 00:03:46 | AlHazWork | "No, theres the Popular Front down there. SPLITTER!" |
| 00:04:09 | SpaceCoaster | tehe |
| 00:05:04 | SpaceCoaster | CosmicPenguin: have you managed to subdue the rabbit with the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch? |
| 00:06:05 | CosmicPenguin | SpaceCoaster: Nah I fed my bill gates voodoo doll to him and that seemed to make him happy |
| 00:06:50 | SpaceCoaster | Not really with the theme but jolly good show! |
| 00:07:59 | CosmicPenguin | http://www.shopusanimal.com/bytebill.html |
| 00:09:42 | AlHazWork | "There are those who call me . . . . Tim" |
| 00:09:46 | file | http://tpps.das.state.or.us/surplus/323424b.jpg |
| 00:14:07 | SpaceCoaster | file: got anything similar in NH? |
| 00:14:14 | file | ? |
| 00:15:57 | CosmicPenguin | Oh, no thats next door.... This is getting hit in the head lessons in here |
| 00:18:06 | AlHazWork | "no, put your hands on your head and go, "oo-wah!"" |
| 00:19:49 | AlHazWork | I'm gonna head home. |
| 00:20:36 | SpaceCoaster | AlHazWork: see ya |
| 00:41:26 | file | pokes everyone |
| 00:53:06 | CosmicPenguin | Ouch! Just for that, I'm leaving |
| 00:53:34 | cpenguin_work | is away: Going where death awaits me with sharp pointy teeth |
| 00:55:48 | | andersee was last seen on #tuxscreen 6 hours, 46 minutes and 53 seconds ago, saying: needs to quit working all night [Thu Jan 31 18:08:55 2002] |
| 00:55:48 | jacques | ibot: seen andersee |
| 00:57:04 | sjm | jacques: did you get buildroot to work? |
| 01:00:02 | jacques | sjm: hi. I spent quite a bit of time working with andersee on it last night |
| 01:00:27 | jacques | sjm: but I'm having exact same problem as SpaceCoaster |
| 01:00:48 | cpenguin_work | Doh.... anyone else notice APM issues with 2.4.18pre7-ac2? |
| 01:00:52 | sjm | jacques: and me :) |
| 01:00:54 | cpenguin_work | jacques: the perl problem? |
| 01:01:30 | jacques | interestingly, I did not have the perl problem on my work machine, but did at home - but I always have the empty staging_dir problem |
| 01:01:53 | jacques | I managed to work around the empty staging_dir by doing a make install in the uClibc dir on the work machine |
| 01:02:06 | sjm | jacques: Makefile 1.88 from CVS? |
| 01:02:51 | jacques | sjm: latest cvs with a 'cvs up' in uClibc and 'cvs up Makefile' in uClibc/ldso/util |
| 01:04:37 | jacques | I know those seem a bit redundant, but it's what seemed to be required |
| 01:09:06 | sjm | Ooppss... Makefile is at 1.89 :) |
| 01:11:09 | jacques | I have slightly different versions of perl on the two machines - 5.6.0 vs. 5.6.1 |
| 01:11:47 | jacques | but perl -wc on 5.6.0 claims syntax errors while on 5.6.1 it's just fine |
| 01:13:57 | sjm | It seems to me that the logic of @if [ ! -f blah -nt $(UCLIBC_DIR)/.installed ] ; then ... rm -f $(UCLIBC_DIR)/.installed; is not correct ? |
| 01:14:34 | sjm | If .installed does not exist, how can it ever execute this in the first place? |
| 01:15:06 | sjm | Manually touching .installed causes the staging_dir to be built. |
| 01:16:03 | sjm | But the first time through, .installed does not exist, and so the make does not get executed |
| 01:27:06 | jacques | sjm: that sounds very promising |
| 04:43:20 | scanline | is back (gone 08:38:25) |
| 05:31:09 | jacques | andersee: you really here? |
| 05:31:32 | andersee | yup |
| 05:32:05 | jacques | cool |
| 05:32:38 | jacques | andersee: perl 5.6.0 from redhat 7.2 is giving me syntax errors while perl 5.6.1 wihch I built is not... |
| 05:32:52 | jacques | this is with the exact same uClibc_config_fix.pl |
| 05:33:34 | andersee | Hmm. |
| 05:33:57 | andersee | I've build perl 5.6.1 vs uclibc myself. Not sure about 5.6.0 |
| 05:34:21 | andersee | Mind posting the errors here (or to the uclibc mailing list)? |
| 05:35:25 | jacques | jacques% perl -wc uClibc_config_fix.pl |
| 05:35:25 | jacques | Can't modify constant item in scalar assignment at uClibc_config_fix.pl line 69, near "<STDIN>;" |
| 05:35:25 | jacques | Bareword "FILE" not allowed while "strict subs" in use at uClibc_config_fix.pl line 69. |
| 05:35:25 | jacques | uClibc_config_fix.pl had compilation errors. |
| 05:37:02 | jacques | dammit my home dsl went down again |
| 05:37:24 | jacques | luckily I had that error in my scrollback |
| 05:37:53 | jacques | andersee: anyway, it looks like everyone but you is having the empty staging_dir problem |
| 05:38:08 | jacques | me, spacecoaster, sjm |
| 05:38:27 | andersee | Wanna try with the fic I just checked in? |
| 05:38:30 | andersee | err. fix |
| 05:38:53 | jacques | fix for what? as I just said I dont have access to my home machine ATM since pacbell dsl is a POS |
| 05:39:00 | jacques | and the home machine is the one with the perl errors |
| 05:39:13 | andersee | The fix is for the toplevel Makefile. I've not yet looked at the .pl script |
| 05:39:21 | jacques | ah ok then cool |
| 05:39:29 | jacques | yes I'll try right now |
| 05:40:32 | jacques | should I re-download the latest uclibc snap too? |
| 05:42:29 | andersee | Depends when you got your current one |
| 05:42:37 | andersee | today/yesterday? |
| 05:42:40 | jacques | last night |
| 05:42:47 | andersee | k, then don't bother |
| 05:42:56 | andersee | Only one little change since then |
| 05:43:04 | andersee | err. |
| 05:43:08 | jacques | heh, did it anyway |
| 05:43:33 | andersee | Yeah, thats for the best. I fixed an ARM setjmp bug this morning... |
| 05:44:03 | andersee | Ever see ash die when you hit ^C to kill an app at the console? |
| 05:44:07 | andersee | That... |
| 05:44:46 | jacques | yep |
| 05:44:52 | jacques | cool, it appears to be working! |
| 05:44:59 | jacques | populated staging_dir |
| 05:45:08 | jacques | building busybox now |
| 05:45:24 | jacques | now onto pcmcia-cs |
| 05:45:38 | jacques | done |
| 05:46:22 | jacques | I'm going to try completely from scratch |
| 05:46:37 | sjm | andersee: Why do you sometimes use ! -f and sometimes -nt? Aren't they the same? |
| 05:47:22 | andersee | -nt is newer then |
| 05:47:33 | andersee | ! -f means not there at all |
| 05:47:33 | sjm | Ahhh...... |
| 05:50:07 | jacques | man, I cannot wait to build fltk |
| 05:50:29 | jacques | and, heh heh, there are a couple of other C++ apps I wanna try as well |
| 05:51:38 | andersee | puts a bit of polish on uClibc prior to release... |
| 05:52:13 | jacques | andersee: I wanna try that link fix for you too with xfree |
| 05:52:58 | jacques | tho I guess that's not a release-stopper - would just be a nice icing in the changelog for the release |
| 05:55:01 | andersee | link fix? |
| 05:55:36 | jacques | nod |
| 05:55:48 | jacques | the undefined main() thing |
| 05:55:52 | jacques | with xfree |
| 05:56:04 | jacques | you mentioned yesterday that it might have been fixed |
| 05:56:10 | andersee | ahh yes. I suspect it is still there. :( |
| 05:56:19 | andersee | dunno 100% why though. |
| 05:56:49 | andersee | I suppose I ought to go follow the directions and reproduce it myself... |
| 05:57:47 | jacques | cool, my from scratch buildroot-tux has populated staging_dir |
| 05:57:54 | jacques | WOW, my dsl is back!!! |
| 05:58:25 | jacques | building busybox now |
| 05:59:15 | andersee | jacques: lemme go fixup the tinylogin snapshot... |
| 06:00:15 | jacques | we really should serve lrsz ourselves |
| 06:00:30 | jacques | the main site is way too slow, and appears to be down ATM |
| 06:00:49 | jacques | i mean lrzsz-0.12.20.tar.gz |
| 06:03:25 | andersee | k. New (working) tinylogin snapshot is up |
| 06:05:07 | jacques | getting new tinylogin |
| 06:05:56 | jacques | oop |
| 06:06:11 | jacques | /home/packages/tuxscreen/buildroot-tux/staging_dir/usr/bin/arm-uclibc-gcc -s -Wl,-warn-common -o tinylogin tinylogin.o env.o obscure.o pwd2spwd.o setupenv.o shell.o utmp.o utility.o usage.o tlstrings.o addgroup.o adduser.o deluser.o getty.o login.o passwd.o shadow.o su.o -lcrypt |
| 06:06:11 | jacques | login.o: In function `login_main': |
| 06:06:11 | jacques | login.o(.text+0x4ac): undefined reference to `getspnam' |
| 06:06:11 | jacques | login.o(.text+0x7c8): undefined reference to `endspent' |
| 06:06:12 | jacques | passwd.o: In function `passwd_main': |
| 06:06:14 | jacques | passwd.o(.text+0x1e0): undefined reference to `getspnam' |
| 06:06:15 | jacques | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| 06:06:17 | jacques | make[1]: *** [tinylogin] Error 1 |
| 06:06:36 | jacques | ? |
| 06:08:40 | andersee | tinylogin/Makefile defaults to USE_SYSTEM_SHADOW=true, but we aren't enabling shadow in uClibc... |
| 06:08:48 | jacques | ic |
| 06:09:04 | andersee | So we either need to enable it in tinylogin, or in uClibc. |
| 06:09:23 | andersee | basically the same deal either way |
| 06:09:39 | andersee | Probably best to enable it in uClibc.... |
| 06:09:52 | andersee | Guess we need to extend the config.pl script to do that |
| 06:10:00 | jacques | you mean disable shadow in tinylogin, or enable it in uclibc? |
| 06:10:26 | andersee | leave tinylogin relying on the system stuff, per stock. Enable it in uClibc. |
| 06:10:55 | jacques | that reminds me |
| 06:11:10 | jacques | what are your thoughts on the uclibc full math lib? |
| 06:11:31 | jacques | is it worth it to enable it for everyone, or should we only have ppl building and running xfree do it? |
| 06:12:36 | andersee | I figure, since it is only 50k (and that 50k is stored compressed in the jffs2 filesystem), might as well leave it enabled. Principle of least surprise.... |
| 06:12:51 | jacques | I agree, coolness |
| 06:13:03 | jacques | is it being enabled these days? |
| 06:13:08 | jacques | didnt used to be... |
| 06:14:09 | andersee | Is as of yesterday |
| 06:14:11 | jacques | oh, I see that it is enabled now |
| 06:14:17 | jacques | :-) |
| 06:14:34 | andersee | The uClibc_config script I added makes such things a lot more obvious IMHO... |
| 06:15:46 | jacques | since I have access to my home machine now, wanna tackle the perl problem? |
| 06:16:05 | jacques | oops, forgot you were dealing with tinylogin |
| 06:16:50 | andersee | nah, tinylogin is fine. |
| 06:17:01 | jacques | I mean the uclibc config for tinylogin |
| 06:17:02 | andersee | Need to fix the uClibc config .pl script |
| 06:17:13 | andersee | uclibc config |
| 06:17:17 | jacques | well I guess it's a related problem then |
| 06:17:20 | jacques | :-) |
| 06:17:26 | jacques | 2 issues with same file |
| 06:25:16 | sjm | Well, my weekend just arrived :) |
| 06:25:19 | sjm | Night all |
| 06:29:24 | jacques | andersee: interesting - I just got latest cvs on my home machine and the perl file is showing no errors now |
| 06:29:39 | jacques | o I see it was recently modified |
| 06:29:49 | andersee | :-) |
| 06:30:06 | andersee | I still need to add in the enable shadow change though |
| 06:30:11 | andersee | 2 secs.... |
| 06:31:33 | jacques | nod |
| 06:33:20 | andersee | k. cvs up Makefile sources/uClibc_config_fix.pl |
| 06:33:31 | andersee | then rm -rf uClibc |
| 06:33:33 | andersee | make |
| 06:34:02 | jacques | making |
| 06:36:21 | jacques | done |
| 06:37:13 | jacques | on both machines |
| 06:37:18 | jacques | wow, could it be |
| 06:37:30 | jacques | that we have a working buildroot-tux again? :-D |
| 06:38:59 | andersee | :-) |
| 06:39:09 | jacques | now to build xfree |
| 06:41:52 | andersee | jacques: I am very anxious to hear how it goes. |
| 06:43:08 | andersee | jacques: Check out this thread on the uclibc mailing list http://uclibc.org/lists/uclibc/2002-January/004760.html |
| 06:43:43 | andersee | jacques: He claims that GzipFontCompression doesn't work.... |
| 06:43:54 | andersee | jacques: Perhaps he failed to build zlib? |
| 06:43:59 | andersee | jacques: dunno... |
| 06:45:24 | jacques | hmm |
| 06:45:26 | jacques | checking |
| 06:46:24 | jacques | I'm still using an old xfree snap - I was meaning to try latest cvs/4.2.0 |
| 07:02:02 | jacques | oh well, link problem is still there |
| 07:03:18 | andersee | Any change you could tar up the whole thing and send it ro me as-is, so I can poke at it? |
| 07:03:27 | andersee | s/change/chance/ |
| 07:03:38 | andersee | s/ro/to/ |
| 07:04:17 | jacques | should be able to |
| 07:04:20 | jacques | will take a bit |
| 07:04:27 | jacques | it's 180MB uncompressed |
| 07:04:59 | jacques | BTW, what would I ned to do to try building some C++ stuff with this version of uClibc? |
| 07:05:38 | jacques | I notice there is no g++ wrapper |
| 07:08:46 | andersee | Right. For C++ to work correctly requires a full gcc/g++ toolchain. I'll be building those tonight |
| 07:08:58 | andersee | jacques: bzip2 should help... |
| 07:09:33 | jacques | I have a gcc/g++ toolchain |
| 07:09:40 | jacques | that I built |
| 07:09:57 | jacques | andersee: projecting 2 minutes to upload complete |
| 07:13:25 | jacques | andersee: http://intimate.handhelds.org/jacques/xc-nolink.tar.gz |
| 07:13:32 | andersee | That you built targeting uClibc? |
| 07:13:39 | jacques | andersee: you will also need http://intimate.handhelds.org/jacques/h3600_ts.h |
| 07:13:56 | jacques | andersee: nope, my toolchain uses glibc |
| 07:14:02 | andersee | libstdc++ need to be built vs uClibc |
| 07:14:09 | jacques | oh |
| 07:14:32 | TomW | Ummm.. Is this working (IRC newbie)? |
| 07:14:54 | andersee | I have a script I've put together to build the whole toolchain. |
| 07:15:00 | andersee | TomW: howdy, yup. |
| 07:15:26 | TomW | Hi Erik! I tried your buildroot-tux stuff, fails miserably. |
| 07:15:39 | andersee | saw your email. |
| 07:15:46 | andersee | Do a cvs up and try again... |
| 07:15:54 | TomW | Is it that you are using Solaris to build stuff on? |
| 07:16:05 | TomW | ;-) |
| 07:16:47 | andersee | Nope. Linux. But as I noted in my email, someone has messed up GNU tar for you per SuS2 pedantry |
| 07:16:53 | jacques | define fails miserably |
| 07:17:45 | andersee | TomW: See the STDIN section of http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007908799/xcu/tar.html for why your tar was complaining. Traditionally, GNU tar defaults to stdin |
| 07:18:53 | jacques | andersee: script == cool |
| 07:19:17 | TomW | Well, probably what is happening is that this machine has a $TAPE environ variable and that is causing tar to look to /dev/st0? |
| 07:19:54 | andersee | could be. Regardless, I just filled the Makefiles with lots of -f - pedantry for you |
| 07:20:36 | TomW | WHOA!!! Only 400 TuxScreen units left?!! I will definately have to empty out my paypal account and get a bunch more! |
| 07:21:55 | TomW | I'll try taking the $TAPE env var out and see how it works. Funny, I have always had this problem ( | tar -xv), but then, I have always had a tape drive on all my linux workstations... |
| 07:22:58 | andersee | With the latest update to the makefiles, it shouldn't matter a bit |
| 07:24:36 | TomW | Do you wish me to leave the $TAPE var in and go ahead with the build (to test your makefiles out)? I have an 800K connect into the cloud here. |
| 07:27:36 | TomW | test |
| 07:27:44 | TomW | andersee: test |
| 07:27:59 | andersee | sure |
| 07:28:53 | TomW | Erik, how did you send a message to me so that it shows up as a highlighted message? I see that you had 'TomW:' at the message start... |
| 07:29:15 | andersee | try typing "andersee: hi" |
| 07:29:39 | TomW | andersee: hi |
| 07:29:46 | andersee | see. worked. :) |
| 07:30:00 | andersee | Here is another neat IRC trick... |
| 07:30:06 | andersee | feels sleepy |
| 07:30:17 | TomW | ok, just that it didn't do it here, this is not too bad, almost as good as gAIM. |
| 07:30:31 | andersee | Just type "/me feels sleepy" to talk about yourself in the 3rd person |
| 07:30:51 | jacques | heh |
| 07:32:27 | TomW | is tired |
| 07:32:32 | TomW | haha |
| 07:32:40 | | jacques: San Jose, San Jose International Airport, CA, United States; (KSJC) 37-21-33N 121-55-27W 25M; last updated: Feb 01, 2002 01:53 AM EST; Dew Point: 32.0 F (0.0 C); Pressure (altimeter): 30.36 in. Hg (1028 hPa); Pressure tendency: 0.06 inches (2.0 hPa) lower than three hours ago; Relative Humidity: 67%; Sky conditions: mostly clear; Temperature: 42.1 F (5.6 C); Visibility: 10 mile(s); Weather: Snow; Wind: Calm; Windchill: 15 F (-9 C) |
| 07:32:40 | jacques | ibot: weather ksjc |
| 07:33:29 | andersee | Oh, and there is a resident bot that does most everything.... |
| 07:33:53 | TomW | andersee: do I need to do anything more to the TuxScreen but to: unlock the flash + add the JTAG interface to be able to build my own custom kernels + root fs? |
| 07:34:08 | | 42 |
| 07:34:08 | andersee | ibot: what is 6 * 9? |
| 07:34:24 | | TomW: excuse me? |
| 07:34:24 | TomW | ibot: whoami |
| 07:34:31 | | TomW: excuse me? |
| 07:34:31 | TomW | ibot: sorry |
| 07:34:39 | andersee | You only need JTAG if you have broken your phone |
| 07:34:59 | | bugger all, i dunno, andersee |
| 07:34:59 | andersee | ibot: What is the ultimate answer to life, the universe, and everything? |
| 07:35:18 | | OK, andersee. |
| 07:35:18 | andersee | ibot: The ultimate answer to life, the universe, and everything is 42. |
| 07:35:23 | | andersee: no idea |
| 07:35:23 | andersee | ibot: What is the ultimate answer to life, the universe, and everything? |
| 07:35:28 | andersee | hmm. |
| 07:35:46 | andersee | It is supposed to learn stuff that way.... |
| 07:36:03 | andersee | Ahh well. |
| 07:36:22 | jacques | ibot: search for ultimate |
| 07:36:43 | jacques | hmm |
| 07:36:43 | TomW | andersee: ?? huh? I am used to the M68K stuff I have been playihg with where I need some kind of a control link to the unit to be able to upload programs. How do you upload your new kernel without the JTAG? Yes, I have been wandering aound the Wiki, but something is still not clean! |
| 07:37:03 | | BZFlag was last seen on #bzflag 7 hours, 30 minutes and 30 seconds ago, saying: ok [Fri Feb 1 00:06:33 2002] |
| 07:37:03 | andersee | ibot: Seen BZFlag? |
| 07:37:03 | jacques | upload bootldr |
| 07:37:20 | | andersee was last seen on #tuxscreen 17 seconds ago, saying: ibot: Seen BZFlag? [Fri Feb 1 07:37:03 2002] |
| 07:37:20 | TomW | ibot: seen andersee |
| 07:37:20 | jacques | bootldr allows you to upload kernel and fs image over serial |
| 07:37:51 | jacques | you nede the inferno stuff to upload the bootldr the first time tho |
| 07:37:52 | TomW | Ah! Okay, it goes in through the AUX DB9 then? |
| 07:37:56 | andersee | TomW: You can flash blob (the bootloader) via inferno. Once blob is in place, future kernel and ramdisk updates are done via serial cable. |
| 07:38:00 | jacques | the inferno stuff is a pain |
| 07:38:09 | TomW | cool! |
| 07:38:28 | andersee | TomW: You only need JTAG if you have accidentally bricked your phone by killing blob |
| 07:38:54 | TomW | I saw some info about pressing keys upon the fade of the inferno signon screen, this is where I would upload the blob? |
| 07:38:57 | andersee | TomW: crossover serial cable, btw... |
| 07:39:22 | TomW | er, bootloader (not blob). |
| 07:39:56 | andersee | http://tuxscreen.net/wiki/view/Main/InfernoRemote |
| 07:40:25 | TomW | How the heck did you guys figure this stuff out about pressing keys? Did you buttonhole one of the developers? |
| 07:40:59 | TomW | ... back them into a corner and threaten their email account, or something? |
| 07:41:02 | TomW | :-D |
| 07:41:09 | jacques | blob == bootldr |
| 07:41:26 | TomW | jacques: ah! |
| 07:41:47 | andersee | We are lot at liberty to discuss that. Esp not how we managed to write the DSP spec from which the tuxphone app was written. |
| 07:41:55 | andersee | :) |
| 07:42:38 | TomW | Once you download the kernel via blob, does it get burned into the flash or does it go into dram only? Meaning that I would have to do the blob whenever I did a coldboot of the unit? |
| 07:43:03 | jacques | flash |
| 07:43:07 | jacques | everything is in flash |
| 07:43:09 | TomW | andersee: standard disclaimer to follow:... |
| 07:43:27 | TomW | blob == flash. |
| 07:43:36 | jacques | blob is in flash |
| 07:43:39 | jacques | kernel is in flash |
| 07:43:44 | jacques | filesystem is in flash |
| 07:43:58 | TomW | ... and blob does this for us? |
| 07:44:17 | jacques | blob puts things into flash and boots the machine |
| 07:44:36 | jacques | plus does other bootloadery type stuff |
| 07:44:49 | jacques | peeks and pokes RAM locations, etc |
| 07:44:54 | andersee | blob is a bootloader. We use inferno to initially load blob into flash. We can then boot blob instead of inferno. Once blob is installed, we can then use blob to install the kernel and the ramdisk into flash |
| 07:45:27 | TomW | GOOD! This is what I needed: to be able to build kernel / root filesystem and place it into flash. Then I can maybe build that inernet appliance for my sister to be able to browse the web and do her email. |
| 07:45:37 | andersee | Once blob + the kernel + the ramdisk are in flash, you have a working Linux phone. |
| 07:45:38 | jacques | hmm, is the jffs2 fs technically a ramdisk? |
| 07:46:01 | andersee | No, but blob doesn't know or care what it is. |
| 07:46:11 | jacques | TomW: we need to get builtin modem working |
| 07:46:24 | andersee | It just knows it is a pile of stuff we want stuffed into flash |
| 07:46:26 | TomW | I don't understand what the big deal is with JFFS, I personally think that Compact Flash is more useful? |
| 07:46:32 | jacques | TomW: also, no really great browers are working ATM |
| 07:47:09 | TomW | Just so they do hotmail.. OR I will set her up on my server using SquirellMail. |
| 07:47:13 | jacques | well not that fit in onboard flash anyway |
| 07:47:27 | TomW | Sisters are flexible.. |
| 07:47:28 | andersee | TomW: jffs2 works on the native builtin-to-the-hardware flash.... You can't even get to CF until the builtin stuff loads up... |
| 07:47:31 | jacques | well CF will be more useful when we can boot from it |
| 07:48:14 | jacques | just like onboard flash will be more useful when we have a jffs2-aware blob :-) |
| 07:48:23 | jacques | so we can have a modular kernel |
| 07:49:33 | TomW | AGREED! I am booting one of my M68K boards from the CF and it is not that hard to do. What may be a problem is building the bootloader that runs off the ARM processor. I have not seen a definitive doc on what ARM assembler looks like. I have been programming in Assembler for more years than I can count, so assembler does not bother me. |
| 07:52:20 | TomW | Looking at the wiring of the PCMCIA to CF adapter, it looks like the whole problem is really one of getting the ARM GPIO pins to wiggle the appropriate pins on the CF device. I would prefer to use CF to boot from as it is a whole lot easier to change the kernel + romfs within the CF than it sounds for the Flash (via blob), also faster. |
| 07:53:36 | andersee | TomW: you can find more information then you want to know from http://www.arm.com/ they have great docs on the instruction set |
| 07:53:52 | TomW | andersee: buildroot is still trying to connect to kernel.org. This may take some time. I will advise the results. Wher are you on IRC (GMT)? |
| 07:54:35 | jacques | bah, sometimes kernel.org goes down :-\ |
| 07:55:05 | andersee | lives in Salt Lake City, Utah (where the Olympics are about to be). It is now Fri, 1 Feb 2002 00:56:42 -0700 |
| 07:55:32 | scanline | waves near TomW |
| 07:55:42 | jacques | andersee: I'm heading home - will be on from there if you want to point me at a c++ toolchain at some point tonight :-) |
| 07:56:00 | TomW | I am usually alive(!) 3:00 gmt to 10:00 gmt |
| 07:56:22 | TomW | scanline: hello! I am just a newbie with this IRC stuff.. |
| 07:56:55 | scanline | TomW: been a while since i've heard from you. This is Micah Dowty |
| 07:56:58 | TomW | jacques: thanks for your input about blob. |
| 07:57:09 | jacques | TomW: you're welcome |
| 07:57:26 | TomW | jacques: toys... ! |
| 07:58:03 | firefox | is only here to look at the i-b-o-t (shhhhh!) |
| 07:58:14 | scanline | TomW: i used to be on the uclinux mailing list |
| 07:59:09 | TomW | scanline: I tried IRC years ago and found that it was very confusing to follow threads in conversations. I guess that I should stay away from busy cnannels. :-) Or, learn how to setup filering.. |
| 07:59:30 | scanline | TomW: no problem, just thought i'd say hi :) |
| 08:01:00 | TomW | scanline: I have backed off from the uclinux list, there is too much wrong with how the whole uclinux thing is progessing: no cvs access, no interest via lineo to promote opensource developers. |
| 08:02:03 | scanline | TomW: i haven't really done anything with uclinux lately either, i've been too busy with PicoGUI |
| 08:02:13 | TomW | scanline: OH! It is Micah! Hi Micah! |
| 08:02:19 | scanline | hi :) |
| 08:02:59 | | Good morning! |
| 08:02:59 | firefox | ibot: morning! |
| 08:03:09 | | GoRK was last seen on #tuxscreen 45 days, 6 hours, 5 minutes and 11 seconds ago, saying: hmm it used to be there [Tue Dec 18 01:57:58 2001] |
| 08:03:09 | scanline | ibot, seen GoRK? |
| 08:03:13 | scanline | bah... |
| 08:03:14 | | firefox: wish i knew |
| 08:03:14 | firefox | ibot: how are you today? |
| 08:03:54 | TomW | scanline; I didn't see your info at first. Yes, I have seen the stuff about the pico gui, looks interesting. I wondered what happened to you. I did see a MicahJD (or such) posting in the archives and I wondered if that was you. |
| 08:03:59 | firefox | sees that ibot can actually be usefull! |
| 08:04:06 | andersee | TomW: Lineo is basically irrelevant to uclinux... Most everything that is useful is done by Greg and David. And by me (though to be honest, I don't run any uclinuc system, I just sortof support it via the C lib) |
| 08:04:12 | scanline | TomW: yep, that was me |
| 08:04:15 | firefox | is impressed with this new-fangled technology stuff |
| 08:06:59 | TomW | scanline: Greg and I have had some conversations, IMO, it is a matter of time before David & Greg may back off from the support work that they are now doing on the list. I really have to hand it to them, they handle a lot of traffice. I just could not take it any more. Not that I was as knowledgeable as those two gugs, but it got to the point that I was loding patience with answering the same questions over / over / over agina. |
| 08:08:14 | TomW | my fingers are now feeling the effects of the Scotch and are beginning to slur (spelling errors). :-/ |
| 08:08:30 | scanline | hehe |
| 08:09:06 | TomW | scanline: I am coasting tonight. I have caught up on all my projects. s |
| 08:09:11 | scanline | basically, i started PicoGUI for the Kiwi project, and as it grew into a much larger development effort than i originally thought i didn't have the time and interest to do much uClinux work |
| 08:09:13 | TomW | oops. |
| 08:09:45 | TomW | uhhuh. Know how that goes. |
| 08:10:06 | TomW | So much to play with and so little time to do it in.. |
| 08:10:07 | scanline | GoRK ported picogui to the Tuxscreen, which got me interested in the Tux. So here i am :) |
| 08:10:08 | | firefox: i haven't a clue |
| 08:10:08 | firefox | ibot: what did Sophie say last? |
| 08:10:22 | firefox | doh! |
| 08:10:43 | TomW | scanline: did you get a tu8xscreen box yet? |
| 08:11:01 | scanline | TomW: yup, i've got one |
| 08:11:31 | scanline | TomW: GoRK was having trouble with the port because of some ARM-specific bugs in picogui, so i got a Tux mainly to have an ARM development platform. turned out to be a pretty cool piece of hardware |
| 08:12:03 | captain_proton | scanline: know why my keyboard doesn't work? |
| 08:12:13 | jacques | home now |
| 08:12:31 | scanline | captain_proton: nope. why? |
| 08:12:40 | captain_proton | i'd like to know that myself... |
| 08:13:24 | jacques | captain_proton: define doesn't work |
| 08:13:30 | jacques | captain_proton: at all? |
| 08:13:44 | jacques | captain_proton: drops chars? |
| 08:14:30 | captain_proton | at all |
| 08:15:15 | TomW | scanline: Yes, it is. I have other plans for the StrongARM cpu board. I have a customer with a legacy assembler system that needs to be upgraded again. I set him up with a cross-assembler system (12 years ago) that allowed him to keep coding in 8070 assmebler (no, I don't mean 808). Now, he is running out of RAM / Flash with the 80C188 solution, so, I have an idea to implement a ByteCode interpreter to replace his current system. What I n |
| 08:15:16 | TomW | eed is a processor with some MIPS to demo the idea. The TuxScreen CPU board looks like the solution. |
| 08:16:19 | jacques | captain_proton: :-( can you tell if the kb is outputting any IR? |
| 08:16:30 | scanline | TomW: good luck |
| 08:16:32 | captain_proton | i'm not sure |
| 08:17:09 | captain_proton | i think it is though |
| 08:17:37 | jacques | captain_proton: you still in inferno? |
| 08:17:43 | captain_proton | yep |
| 08:18:02 | jacques | hmm |
| 08:19:14 | TomW | andersee: kernel downloaded and untar'ed ok. It is now compiling. |
| 08:20:27 | andersee | cool beans |
| 08:21:08 | jacques | mmmm, beans |
| 08:21:17 | TomW | DARN, I feel so "empowered" doing this linux stuff. I am an old codger (48) and cut my teeth on CP/M-80 and the small-C compiler. |
| 08:21:48 | jacques | cool :-) |
| 08:25:05 | TomW | adersee: kernel went 100%.. |
| 08:25:24 | jacques | it almost always does |
| 08:25:40 | TomW | hmm.. the IRC client does not use vi keystrokes. Bummer! |
| 08:25:50 | sjm_home | evening all |
| 08:26:01 | jacques | TomW: xchat? |
| 08:26:14 | jacques | hi sjm_home, buildroot is working now |
| 08:26:44 | sjm_home | Yep. I see CVS was updated about an hour ago :) |
| 08:28:00 | sjm_home | Downloading new kernel now.... I didn't look before doing a make distclean :( |
| 08:28:26 | sjm_home | I lost my /dl dir.... |
| 08:28:42 | TomW | cc -I/home/tom/TuxScreen/buildroot-tux/linux/include -I../include -O2 -Wall -c -o compr_zlib.o compr_zlib.c |
| 08:28:42 | TomW | compr_zlib.c:38:18: zlib.h: No such file or directory |
| 08:28:42 | TomW | make[1]: *** [compr_zlib.o] Error 1 |
| 08:28:42 | TomW | - |
| 08:28:50 | sjm_home | And I'm only on 56k - It's going to take a few hours... |
| 08:28:53 | jacques | sjm_home: d'oh! |
| 08:29:55 | TomW | No love. It looks like I will have to disable the $TAPE var as after the kernel build, I got an error about the zlib again. I know that htis will fail later. |
| 08:30:46 | TomW | jacques: yes xchat. Anything you would recommend instead. |
| 08:32:49 | jacques | TomW: nope, I use xchat. I like it. though I have not used it for long and don't know how to use many of its features |
| 08:34:54 | sjm_home | TomW: zlib.h lives in linux/fs/jffs2 |
| 08:35:07 | andersee | TomW: umm. Eaxctly _where_ in the build process was that. I think you are in the jffs2 code... |
| 08:37:22 | TomW | andersee: no it is the mtd code from ftp.uk.linux.org. I will post the download wget in a moment, leading into the error. |
| 08:38:32 | TomW | + wget -P /home/tom/TuxScreen/buildroot-tux/sources/dl --passive ftp://ftp.uk.linux.org/pub/people/dwmw2/mtd/cvs/mtd-snapshot-20020102.tar.bz2 |
| 08:38:32 | TomW | --03:24:03-- ftp://ftp.uk.linux.org/pub/people/dwmw2/mtd/cvs/mtd-snapshot-20020102.tar.bz2 |
| 08:38:32 | TomW | => `/home/tom/TuxScreen/buildroot-tux/sources/dl/mtd-snapshot-20020102.tar.bz2' |
| 08:38:40 | andersee | Oh. hehe. |
| 08:39:06 | jacques | ? |
| 08:39:08 | andersee | TomW: apt-get install zlib1g-dev or equivalent... |
| 08:39:21 | andersee | TomW: Your system is lacking the zlib.h header file. |
| 08:39:45 | andersee | TomW: mkfs.jffs2 compiles/runs on your _host_ system. |
| 08:40:09 | TomW | andersee: ok... I don't have apt-get here, this is mandrake system. sorry. |
| 08:41:06 | andersee | TomW: or equivalent... |
| 08:41:31 | andersee | TomW: Find a mandrake zlib*-dev*rpm and install it |
| 08:41:38 | jacques | then you need zlib and zlib-devel rpms |
| 08:43:03 | TomW | andersee: Ok, I found + installed the zlib-xxx-dev libs. Here we go again. Thanks for your time (amusement?) Erik. |
| 08:46:36 | andersee | no problem |
| 08:47:08 | sjm_home | jacques: Did you build a gui? |
| 08:50:35 | TomW | Zumm, zumm, zumm, zumm... As we go wandering into the mysteries of wget and Makefile. <LOL> Puzzles, puzzles, puzzles. As long as the outcome is what I need. In some ways, this is like Tribal Pursuit on steriods. |
| 08:51:09 | TomW | Tribal == Trivial. |
| 08:51:31 | sjm_home | Except the answers keep changing! |
| 08:52:01 | TomW | All the time! Don't stop to document, ti will be useless tomorrow! |
| 08:52:56 | TomW | I hate docs, "you mean I need to tell you (l)users how to use my program!??". |
| 08:53:51 | TomW | andersee: brain is fogging up, yes, I did see the error for the missing zlib.h file, but it didn't register. |
| 08:54:55 | TomW | What countries are all of you in? I am NorthEastern U.S. |
| 08:55:16 | andersee | Salt Lake City |
| 08:55:27 | sjm_home | Melbourne, Australia |
| 08:55:35 | andersee | And I'm dreadng the start of the Olympics in a few days.... |
| 08:56:06 | sjm_home | Hmm... You need a pass to leave your house? |
| 08:56:07 | TomW | andersee: why, all those gentiles hitting on the Morman women? :-D |
| 08:59:22 | TomW | I got into Ham radio so that I could talk with people who lived in differing parts of the world. Now I find that I can do the same via the keyboard on my computer. |
| 09:00:09 | sjm_home | Yeah... I held VK3ESM for about 15 years - I gave it up 3 years ago. |
| 09:01:11 | TomW | andersee: zlib compiled okay. continuing... |
| 09:02:12 | TomW | andersee: now compiling the infamous uClibc... we should get some really nasty errors with this one! :-D |
| 09:02:54 | scanline | should try to get xchat-picogui compiled on the Tux.. |
| 09:03:06 | scanline | s/on/for/ |
| 09:04:26 | TomW | UhOh! uClibc compiled fine... Wonder what that portends? |
| 09:04:59 | TomW | andersee: moving on to BusyBoc now. |
| 09:05:53 | TomW | andersee: Erik, busybox failed |
| 09:05:58 | TomW | + make CROSS=/home/tom/TuxScreen/buildroot-tux/staging_dir/usr/bin/arm-uclibc- PREFIX=/home/tom/TuxScreen/buildroot-tux/root -C /home/tom/TuxScreen/buildroot-tux/busybox install |
| 09:06:34 | TomW | error retry. |
| 09:06:38 | TomW | + make CROSS=/home/tom/TuxScreen/buildroot-tux/staging_dir/usr/bin/arm-uclibc- PREFIX=/home/tom/TuxScreen/buildroot-tux/root -C /home/tom/TuxScreen/buildroot-tux/busybox install |
| 09:06:38 | TomW | make[1]: Entering directory `/home/tom/TuxScreen/buildroot-tux/busybox' |
| 09:06:38 | TomW | (echo -n "APPLET_SOURCES := "; CC="/home/tom/TuxScreen/buildroot-tux/staging_dir/usr/bin/arm-uclibc-gcc" BB_SRC_DIR="" /bin/sh busybox.sh Config.h) > applet_source_list |
| 09:06:42 | TomW | busybox.sh: /home/tom/TuxScreen/buildroot-tux/staging_dir/usr/bin/arm-uclibc-gcc: No such file or directory |
| 09:08:40 | TomW | andersee: it is looking for the arm-linux-gcc in the wrong place? : [tom@other tom]$ which arm-linux-gcc |
| 09:08:52 | TomW | [tom@other tom]$ which arm-linux-gcc |
| 09:09:21 | TomW | [tom@other tom]$ |
| 09:10:10 | TomW | shucks, the paste is not working in xchat. it is in: /usr/bin/arm-linux-gcc |
| 09:10:31 | andersee | hmm. |
| 09:10:43 | andersee | rm -rf staging_dir busybox |
| 09:10:47 | andersee | Then try again... |
| 09:10:54 | TomW | ok. |
| 09:10:56 | andersee | Perhaps something stale was lying around |
| 09:14:19 | TomW | andersee: no good. I had done a clean 'rm -rf buildroot-tux' before the build. I did the rm -rf staging_dir busybox and still the same . It looks like the prefix for the compiler location is referencing the 'pwd' dir? I will look at the Makefile... |
| 09:16:25 | TomW | andersee: this looks strange: CROSS=.../arm-uclibc-gcc? Huh? |
| 09:16:50 | andersee | where? |
| 09:17:00 | TomW | andersee: since when is uClibc a prefix (infix) for a gcc? |
| 09:17:35 | TomW | Here is the whole errors: patching file Config.h |
| 09:17:35 | TomW | + make CROSS=/home/tom/TuxScreen/buildroot-tux/staging_dir/usr/bin/arm-uclibc- PREFIX=/home/tom/TuxScreen/buildroot-tux/root -C /home/tom/TuxScreen/buildroot-tux/busybox install |
| 09:17:46 | TomW | Notice the CROSS statement? |
| 09:17:56 | andersee | uClibc creates a fake wrapper toolchain that creates uclibc linked binaries instead of using whatever the toolchain was originally build for |
| 09:18:18 | TomW | ok. Still learning. :-/ |
| 09:18:18 | andersee | That CROSS statement looks fine |
| 09:18:45 | andersee | It is one of the sneakier things I do... |
| 09:18:59 | jacques | sjm_home: no, I have not built a gui with newly working buildroot |
| 09:19:17 | TomW | This is the whole error. If I can get xchat to send it<br>patching file Config.h |
| 09:19:17 | TomW | + make CROSS=/home/tom/TuxScreen/buildroot-tux/staging_dir/usr/bin/arm-uclibc- PREFIX=/home/tom/TuxScreen/buildroot-tux/root -C /home/tom/TuxScreen/buildroot-tux/busybox install |
| 09:19:17 | TomW | make[1]: Entering directory `/home/tom/TuxScreen/buildroot-tux/busybox' |
| 09:19:18 | TomW | (echo -n "APPLET_SOURCES := "; CC="/home/tom/TuxScreen/buildroot-tux/staging_dir/usr/bin/arm-uclibc-gcc" BB_SRC_DIR="" /bin/sh busybox.sh Config.h) > applet_source_list |
| 09:19:23 | TomW | busybox.sh: /home/tom/TuxScreen/buildroot-tux/staging_dir/usr/bin/arm-uclibc-gcc: No such file or directory |
| 09:19:24 | jacques | TomW: you cant paste lines starting with / because xchat interprets them as irc commands |
| 09:19:26 | sjm_home | jacques: okay. Just wondered... My kernel is still coming down... 62% |
| 09:19:53 | TomW | ok, I will avoid the / chars. |
| 09:19:59 | jacques | TomW: tho if you type a space before the / it works |
| 09:20:01 | jacques | / |
| 09:20:13 | TomW | /foo |
| 09:20:38 | jacques | TomW: ls staging_dir |
| 09:20:41 | TomW | newbies, eh Erik? |
| 09:21:17 | TomW | jaqcues: now? You want the ls? |
| 09:21:36 | jacques | TomW: well all I need to know is if there is stuff in your staging_dir |
| 09:21:49 | jacques | or is it empty |
| 09:22:00 | TomW | [tom@other buildroot-tux]$ ls staging_dir/ |
| 09:22:00 | TomW | include/ lib/ usr/ |
| 09:22:13 | jacques | any bin/ ? |
| 09:22:18 | TomW | no |
| 09:22:23 | jacques | strange |
| 09:22:34 | jacques | BTW, you can use emacs line editing commands in xchat |
| 09:22:46 | TomW | I trapped the erros + stdout, let me look to see if there is any mention of /bin |
| 09:22:50 | andersee | Sounds like uClibc's make install_toolchain isn't getting called... |
| 09:22:56 | TomW | screw emacs! |
| 09:23:09 | jacques | sigh, and I was starting to like you |
| 09:23:12 | jacques | :-) |
| 09:23:16 | TomW | I had enough trouble unlearning dos and learning vi! |
| 09:23:34 | TomW | I like vi! vi keeps me off the cursor pads. |
| 09:23:46 | jacques | goes to watch more CSI on his TiVo |
| 09:23:54 | TomW | hahahhahah! |
| 09:24:06 | sjm_home | is there a .installed file in the uclib directory? |
| 09:24:11 | TomW | ROTFLMAO |
| 09:24:33 | TomW | I'll look... |
| 09:25:28 | TomW | [tom@other buildroot-tux]$ ls -la uClibc/ |
| 09:25:28 | TomW | total 93 |
| 09:25:28 | TomW | drwxr-xr-x 16 tom tom 752 Feb 1 04:11 ./ |
| 09:25:28 | TomW | drwxr-xr-x 11 tom tom 544 Feb 1 04:11 ../ |
| 09:25:28 | TomW | -rw-r--r-- 1 tom tom 0 Feb 1 04:03 .built |
| 09:25:28 | TomW | -rw-r--r-- 1 tom tom 120 Nov 17 20:52 .cvsignore |
| 09:25:30 | TomW | -rw-r--r-- 1 tom tom 0 Feb 1 04:11 .installed |
| 09:25:32 | TomW | -rw-r--r-- 1 tom tom 0 Feb 1 04:03 .installed_runtime |
| 09:25:34 | TomW | -rw-r--r-- 1 tom tom 25265 May 14 2000 COPYING.LIB |
| 09:25:36 | TomW | drwxr-xr-x 2 tom tom 128 Jan 31 11:16 CVS/ |
| 09:25:38 | TomW | -rw-r--r-- 1 tom tom 3361 Jan 29 06:37 Changelog |
| 09:25:40 | TomW | -rw-r--r-- 1 tom tom 8097 Feb 1 03:58 Config |
| 09:25:42 | TomW | -rw-r--r-- 1 tom tom 10917 Jan 31 11:15 Makefile |
| 09:25:44 | TomW | -rw-r--r-- 1 tom tom 1878 Jan 9 16:20 README |
| 09:25:46 | TomW | -rw-r--r-- 1 tom tom 4496 Jan 29 08:58 Rules.mak |
| 09:25:48 | TomW | -rw-r--r-- 1 tom tom 2728 Nov 30 15:26 TODO |
| 09:25:50 | TomW | drwxr-xr-x 3 tom tom 632 Jan 31 11:15 debian/ |
| 09:25:52 | TomW | drwxr-xr-x 4 tom tom 136 Jan 31 11:15 docs/ |
| 09:25:54 | TomW | drwxr-xr-x 8 tom tom 224 Jan 31 11:15 extra/ |
| 09:25:55 | sjm_home | Okay - looks like make was called :) |
| 09:25:56 | TomW | drwxr-xr-x 8 tom tom 1928 Feb 1 03:58 include/ |
| 09:25:58 | TomW | drwxr-xr-x 7 tom tom 272 Jan 31 11:15 ldso/ |
| 09:26:00 | TomW | drwxr-xr-x 2 tom tom 864 Feb 1 04:03 lib/ |
| 09:26:02 | TomW | drwxr-xr-x 14 tom tom 480 Feb 1 04:03 libc/ |
| 09:26:04 | TomW | drwxr-xr-x 3 tom tom 344 Feb 1 04:03 libcrypt/ |
| 09:26:06 | TomW | drwxr-xr-x 4 tom tom 4888 Feb 1 04:03 libm/ |
| 09:26:08 | TomW | drwxr-xr-x 3 tom tom 128 Jan 31 11:16 libpthread/ |
| 09:26:10 | TomW | drwxr-xr-x 3 tom tom 248 Feb 1 04:03 libresolv/ |
| 09:26:12 | TomW | drwxr-xr-x 3 tom tom 544 Feb 1 04:03 libutil/ |
| 09:26:14 | TomW | drwxr-xr-x 20 tom tom 624 Jan 31 11:16 test/ |
| 09:26:16 | TomW | -rw-r--r-- 1 tom tom 621 Feb 1 03:58 uClibc_config.h |
| 09:26:18 | TomW | Yes. |
| 09:26:22 | TomW | jacques: what is 'CSI'? |
| 09:28:05 | sjm_home | It's interesting that .installed has a later timestamp than .installed_runtime??? |
| 09:29:11 | TomW | andersee: here it is! rm -rf /home/tom/TuxScreen/buildroot-tux/staging_dir |
| 09:29:11 | TomW | mkdir /home/tom/TuxScreen/buildroot-tux/staging_dir |
| 09:29:11 | TomW | + rm -f /home/tom/TuxScreen/buildroot-tux/uClibc/.installed |
| 09:29:11 | TomW | + make -C /home/tom/TuxScreen/buildroot-tux/uClibc install |
| 09:29:11 | TomW | make[1]: Entering directory `/home/tom/TuxScreen/buildroot-tux/uClibc' |
| 09:29:12 | captain_proton | TomW: CSI is a tv show |
| 09:29:12 | TomW | install -d "/home/tom/TuxScreen/buildroot-tux/staging_dir"/lib |
| 09:29:14 | TomW | install -d "/home/tom/TuxScreen/buildroot-tux/staging_dir"/usr/lib |
| 09:29:16 | TomW | install -d "/home/tom/TuxScreen/buildroot-tux/staging_dir"/include |
| 09:29:18 | TomW | install -m 644 lib/*.[ao] "/home/tom/TuxScreen/buildroot-tux/staging_dir"/lib/ |
| 09:29:20 | TomW | tar -chO include | tar -xC "/home/tom/TuxScreen/buildroot-tux/staging_dir"; |
| 09:29:22 | TomW | tar: /dev/st0: Cannot open: Permission denied |
| 09:29:24 | TomW | tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now |
| 09:29:26 | TomW | tar: /dev/st0: Cannot open: Permission denied |
| 09:29:28 | TomW | tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now |
| 09:29:30 | TomW | make[1]: *** [install_dev] Error 2 |
| 09:29:32 | TomW | make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/tom/TuxScreen/buildroot-tux/uClibc' |
| 09:29:34 | TomW | + touch /home/tom/TuxScreen/buildroot-tux/uClibc/.installed |
| 09:29:36 | captain_proton | why is it using st0? |
| 09:29:56 | captain_proton | ahh the tar |
| 09:30:22 | andersee | Looks like a problem between TomW and his environment.... |
| 09:30:47 | andersee | Still, it should have aborted, not continued... |
| 09:31:05 | TomW | captain_proton: it has to do with my 'export TAPE=/dev/st0' and the default of the tar to use stdin. Apparently, when you have a $TAPE environ var, it overrides the default of stdin. |
| 09:32:31 | andersee | But in this case, we have explicitly told tar where to read from and where to output to... Looks like a tar bug to me. |
| 09:33:09 | TomW | captain_proton: I would eliminate the $TAPE var from /etc/profile, but then Erik would not have truly portable code. I don't mind spending the time to work this out and |
| 09:33:25 | TomW | Erik seems interested in the problem. |
| 09:33:44 | captain_proton | why not just write a caveat about how $TAPE can't be defined when you build it due to a bug in tar |
| 09:34:30 | andersee | TomW: I've got to move on to other things for the eveing I'm afraid. |
| 09:34:31 | TomW | captain_proton: What!!! And lose this precious opportunity to nail an "anomoly"? |
| 09:34:36 | captain_proton | lol |
| 09:35:16 | TomW | andersee: ok, looks like I lost to the Gods-of-despair. |
| 09:36:00 | andersee | Bother. I see the problem |
| 09:36:25 | andersee | We are calling 'set -x' not 'set -x -e', so errors in shell fragments arn't killing the build as they should |
| 09:36:26 | TomW | andersee: I will try it without the $TAPE var and report the results. I will be avaiable to help if needed on tracing this. |
| 09:37:53 | TomW | andersee: now doing the whole ball of wax without the $TAPE var... |
| 09:38:38 | andersee | K. Do a cvs up |
| 09:39:07 | andersee | I just taught the toplevel Makefile to fail when shell fragments fail... |
| 09:39:37 | andersee | So now, with the TAPE bug, the build will properly get halted on a failure. |
| 09:45:57 | TomW | andersee: I just logged into a new cli that did not have a $TAPE var, now I am going through a clean process. It is currently doing the kerel and tee-ing the errors. |
| 10:01:45 | TomW | andersee: by elminating the $TAPE var I get a lot further into the build, but I still fail (much later) in the BusyBox build with: |
| 10:03:32 | TomW | /home/tom/TuxScreen/buildroot-tux/staging_dir/usr/bin/arm-uclibc-strip: /home/tom/TuxScreen/buildroot-tux/pcmcia-cs-3.1.29/cardmgr/pcinitrd: File format not recognized |
| 10:05:22 | sjm_home | Can't strip a shell script :) |
| 10:06:19 | jacques | heh |
| 10:06:49 | jacques | TomW: I hope you realize you are keeping andersee from the thing I want him to work on |
| 10:06:55 | jacques | :-D |
| 10:10:12 | TomW | jacgues: Yup! I would be rather spending the evening with a |
| 10:10:59 | TomW | 'green-eyed, red-headed' woman myself... |
| 10:11:35 | andersee | Sorry, my wife is taken (and shes already asleep) :) |
| 10:12:57 | TomW | ARRRGGGH! You married her? I was in love with her, why did she settle for a loser like you to spend her life? >:-( |
| 10:13:04 | jacques | heh |
| 10:13:27 | jacques | green eyes and red hair is so much better than the converse |
| 10:13:33 | TomW | :-D |
| 10:13:52 | andersee | hehe |
| 10:14:46 | TomW | andersee: I will drop back to the README and get the recommended bintools. BTW, does your wife have a lonely sister? |
| 10:15:49 | andersee | fraid not... |
| 10:15:52 | TomW | somebody not too desperate and had a low set of standards for the male-half? |
| 10:16:02 | andersee | hehe |
| 10:16:11 | TomW | Oh well... Lost again.. |
| 10:16:45 | jacques | hi jeffrey |
| 10:16:49 | TomW | 73 Erik, I'll let you know how I make out. CUL |
| 10:17:15 | jeffrey | hi jacques |
| 10:18:35 | jeffrey | jacques: sboot can load blob? |
| 10:20:20 | jeffrey | jacques: or i have to download inferno_emu ,use it to load blob to my tux? |
| 10:22:53 | jacques | jeffrey: what's sboot? |
| 10:23:07 | jacques | jeffrey: is it a JTAG thing? |
| 10:23:34 | sjm_home | jeffrey: sboot talks a strange protocol - you need inferno to download |
| 10:23:47 | jeffrey | jacques: sboot is tux default bootloader |
| 10:26:28 | jeffrey | sjm_home: i download inferno from vitanuova, but it only support RH62(kernel 2.2), where u down it? |
| 10:27:06 | sjm_home | I used RH62 2.2.16 :) :) :) |
| 10:27:16 | sjm_home | sorry... |
| 10:28:24 | jacques | jeffrey: there is another emu you need if you have a later kernel |
| 10:28:24 | sjm_home | What's the problem? |
| 10:28:51 | jacques | jeffrey: I downloaded the stuff from vitanuova plus some emu.gz file |
| 10:30:58 | jeffrey | Inferno 3rd Edition - Binary & Limited Source Download |
| 10:30:59 | jeffrey | in http://cgi.www.vitanuova.com/cgi-bin/www.vitanuova.com/idown.pl , just have linux.tgz ? |
| 10:31:23 | jeffrey | no ??emu.gz!! |
| 10:31:44 | sjm_home | jeffrey: It's at http://tuxscreen.net/download/inferno/linuxemu.gz |
| 10:33:11 | jeffrey | sjm_home: u use this vertion, run fine? |
| 10:33:21 | sjm_home | andersee: Off air for a while just then? |
| 10:33:44 | andersee | sjm_home: eh? |
| 10:33:51 | sjm_home | jeffrey: Yes, but you also need the vitanuova stuff as well. |
| 10:34:23 | sjm_home | andersee: I lost connectivity to www.uclib.org for a few minutes - no ping etc |
| 10:34:52 | sjm_home | traceroute was dying at p4-2-0.MAR2.SaltLake-UT.us.xo.net |
| 10:35:06 | jeffrey | sjm_home: u say it need the vitanuva stuff is "inferno.tgz "? |
| 10:35:53 | sjm_home | jeffrey: Yes, install the vitanuova package, then copy the linuxemu binary over the top of the installed one. |
| 10:36:53 | jeffrey | sjm_home: I trying it now............. ;) |
| 10:37:56 | sjm_home | Severe thunderstorm here - lights dimming.... No UPS... |
| 10:38:15 | sjm_home | In the middle of downloading buildroot :( |
| 10:39:15 | jacques | sjm_home: :-\ |
| 10:39:55 | sjm_home | Well, at least I have the kernel down! |
| 10:41:41 | jeffrey | sjm_home: can unpack the two stuff to anywhere? just in the same driecroty |
| 10:42:03 | andersee | sjm_home: probably my ISP messing with their routers late at night |
| 10:42:20 | sjm_home | Ahh... |
| 10:42:41 | jacques | yeah I hate that "it's late so we can do whatever we want" attitude |
| 10:42:56 | jacques | it's been dogging me for decades |
| 10:44:27 | sjm_home | jeffrey: install the infereno one anywhere, then unzip the linuxemu one and copy it over the installed emu binary |
| 10:45:00 | jacques | then prepare for inferno hell |
| 10:45:01 | sjm_home | jeffrey: the linuxemu is a replacement for the pre-packaged emu |
| 10:45:11 | jacques | ooh, I made a really bad unintentional pun |
| 10:45:18 | sjm_home | hehe |
| 10:45:35 | jacques | I had so many problems with the inferno stuff - mostly to do with serial port permissions |
| 10:46:35 | sjm_home | Things went smoothly for me - execept I had gpm running on the same port! |
| 10:47:06 | jacques | heh |
| 10:50:51 | jeffrey | sjm_home: sorry .. i had unpack two in the same directory, i do't know u said "copy linuxemu to over ...." ;P |
| 10:51:01 | sjm_home | My build is going okay so far - trying to wget busybox, except I can't connect.... |
| 10:51:24 | andersee | hmm. |
| 10:51:35 | andersee | If you can hear me, you can connect. :) |
| 10:51:54 | Sammy | listen |
| 10:51:58 | Sammy | :) |
| 10:52:02 | sjm_home | Yep. It's there now - here's the traceroute: |
| 10:52:13 | sjm_home | 20 p4-2-0.MAR2.SaltLake-UT.us.xo.net (207.88.83.38) 379.361 ms 369.318 ms 389.641 ms |
| 10:52:13 | sjm_home | 21 * * * |
| 10:52:13 | sjm_home | 22 * * * |
| 10:52:13 | sjm_home | 23 * c6509-core.xmission.com (166.70.4.2) 2669.817 ms * |
| 10:52:13 | sjm_home | 24 * * * |
| 10:52:13 | sjm_home | 25 * * * |
| 10:52:15 | sjm_home | 26 * * * |
| 10:52:17 | sjm_home | 27 * p1-0.xsnjpca27-xo.bbnplanet.net (4.24.234.18) 310.067 ms !H * |
| 10:52:19 | sjm_home | 28 * * p0-0.snjpca1-br2.bbnplanet.net (4.24.4.178) 360.053 ms !H |
| 10:52:21 | sjm_home | 29 * codepoet.org (166.70.14.212) 400.068 ms 389.900 ms |
| 10:53:40 | sjm_home | pings to codepoet.org are running at 25-30 seconds at the moment. |
| 10:56:40 | scanline | laughs at the busybox screenshot |
| 10:56:49 | scanline | andersee: you should add a uClibc screenshot too :) |
| 10:57:33 | jacques | lol |
| 11:00:27 | sjm_home | buildroot worked - I have an image of 699212 bytes. |
| 11:01:16 | sjm_home | Trying again with microwindows enabled. |
| 11:02:32 | andersee | scanline: perhaps I should. |
| 11:02:58 | andersee | I can do something like 'cat libc.a > /dev/fb0' then take a screenshot. :) |
| 11:03:25 | scanline | binary files (especially big ones like Linux) look cool on the framebuffer |
| 11:03:28 | andersee | scanline: see the blinking cursor. :-) |
| 11:04:00 | andersee | scanline: The busybox 'screenshot' uses the dreaded <blink> |
| 11:04:22 | scanline | hmm, galeon must be ignoring the <blink> |
| 11:04:33 | jacques | heh heh |
| 11:04:36 | scanline | fires up mozilla |
| 11:04:44 | scanline | watches his system choke and grind |
| 11:05:55 | scanline | aha. mozilla and galeon ignore <blink> but netscape 4.77 shows the blinking cursor |
| 11:11:07 | sjm_home | buildroot died when microwindows was enabled |
| 11:33:49 | sjm_home | Okay, fixed |
| 11:34:11 | sjm_home | buildroot now works okay - I have an image of 1795820 bytes. |
| 11:34:35 | sjm_home | Need to add a line to makefile-microwindows : |
| 11:34:54 | sjm_home | BUILD_DIR=$(BASE_DIR)/staging_dir |
| 11:36:43 | sjm_home | andersee: Can you check this into CVS please? |
| 11:38:35 | andersee | sjm_home: eh? |
| 11:38:38 | andersee | sjm_home: what? |
| 11:38:46 | sjm_home | see up a few lines |
| 11:39:52 | andersee | k, done. |
| 11:40:00 | sjm_home | cool. |
| 11:40:05 | andersee | wanna double check I got it right? |
| 11:40:29 | sjm_home | Looks good. |
| 11:40:54 | sjm_home | I must congratulate you on the service you provide. It's outstanding! |
| 11:47:20 | sjm_home | Time for bed, night all. |
| 14:34:04 | Sammy | later |
| 14:59:55 | scanline | is away: food(sorta) |
| 15:15:13 | cpenguin_work | is back (gone 14:21:37) |
| 15:16:06 | cpenguin_work | Whats the news today? |
| 15:24:37 | scanline | is back (gone 00:24:43) |
| 15:25:15 | prpplague | cpenguin_work: hmm, lets see my wife's rootfs is corrupt and my pc is piss off at me.....its going to be a long day.... |
| 15:25:29 | prpplague | Morn: morn |
| 15:25:44 | Morn | Hi :-) |
| 15:26:17 | prpplague | Morn: broke any good code this morning? i've already broke 2 lines.... |
| 15:26:54 | Morn | I'm still trying to wake up... I was up til 6am last this morning |
| 15:27:06 | cpenguin_work | prpplague: sorry to hear that |
| 15:27:19 | cpenguin_work | Morn: Ouch.... bout of programming? |
| 15:27:55 | prpplague | Morn: or partying? |
| 15:28:28 | Morn | trying to get a tuner card to work with linux |
| 15:28:28 | prpplague | loves fltk-fluid |
| 15:28:29 | CosmicPenguin | This is a sad day for me... this is the day I finally move from POP to IMAP on my primary mail account |
| 15:28:34 | CosmicPenguin | plays taps |
| 15:28:43 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: No joke? I hate fluid... :) |
| 15:29:10 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hmm, it really needs some more development, but its kinda fun to use |
| 15:29:41 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: what do you use for quick gui development? |
| 15:29:54 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: I don't use IDEs as a general rule.... |
| 15:30:17 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ya,ya rub it in you guru....... |
| 15:30:39 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: No, thats a bad thing.... its much better to drag and drop a button then recompiling 13 times to get it in the right place |
| 15:31:15 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: Recently, I've been trying to bring a little of the GTK+ table / container concept to FLTK |
| 15:31:49 | CosmicPenguin | brb - gotta get my IT guy to transfer my mail account.... :( |
| 15:32:37 | prpplague | isn't imap less secure than pop? |
| 15:34:10 | CosmicPenguin | back - the IT guy is in Mexico apparently |
| 15:35:30 | prpplague | doh |
| 15:35:47 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: at least you don't have a winblows sysadmin |
| 15:36:38 | CosmicPenguin | Uhhh... I can't import mail into Evolution from kmail? |
| 15:39:27 | prpplague | anyone seen this - http://www.tronkillerapp.com ? |
| 15:42:26 | prpplague | jacques: you alive? |
| 15:43:40 | | jacques was last seen on #tuxscreen 4 hours, 39 minutes and 7 seconds ago, saying: heh heh [Fri Feb 1 11:04:33 2002] |
| 15:43:40 | prpplague | ibot: seen jacques |
| 15:52:47 | CosmicPenguin | Anyone here fired up 2.5.3 yet? |
| 15:58:54 | prpplague | not me, i'm always WAY behind on the kernel |
| 15:59:47 | Morn | I'm still using 2.4.17 |
| 16:00:06 | Morn | I was fighting with kwintv last night |
| 16:00:19 | Morn | for some reason it just crashes on my machine |
| 16:00:21 | prpplague | the maxspeed corp still sends products out with 2.0 kernels |
| 16:01:00 | prpplague | most of our products are on 2.2.14 |
| 16:01:26 | prpplague | i'm planning a big switch over to 2.4.17 in the next month or so |
| 16:02:11 | Morn | the only trouble is my commercial oss sound drivers aren't supported under 2.4.17 yet |
| 16:02:15 | Morn | frowns. |
| 16:03:51 | Morn | I didn't get to spend as much time at the Linux Expo as I wanted... |
| 16:04:00 | prpplague | Morn: doh, that mean you have to watch your pr0n with no audio..... |
| 16:04:21 | prpplague | Morn: btw, how was the expo? |
| 16:04:46 | Morn | it was cool, I spent about 2 hours at the Sun booth |
| 16:05:01 | Morn | I made some neat contacts |
| 16:05:20 | Morn | I got to talk to the sales director from Cyclades before the show over a cup of tea |
| 16:05:47 | Morn | had done some work on making 8 port serial cards from cyclades work with linux in the mid 90's |
| 16:06:25 | prpplague | Morn: cool, i've been looking at some of cyclades tuff, i wish they had put a lpt port on there new single port TS |
| 16:07:01 | Morn | but I got one call from a client and got a new client while I was there. |
| 16:09:31 | prpplague | only one? lol |
| 16:09:48 | Morn | Well considering I didn't go looking for them... |
| 16:10:14 | Morn | I got called in as 'backup' for a switchover between DSL providers... it was supposed to be plug and play |
| 16:10:17 | Morn | it never is |
| 16:10:31 | Morn | but hey 3.5 hours on the clock is cool too |
| 16:11:18 | CosmicPenguin | Morn: Did you pick up a Zaurus while you were there? |
| 16:11:54 | Morn | CosmicPenguin: I wanted to, but I couldn't find them |
| 16:11:54 | Morn | I ran out of time |
| 16:11:54 | Morn | Had I been able to I would have |
| 16:11:54 | Morn | it would be a nice thing next to the iPAQ running linux |
| 16:14:36 | CosmicPenguin | Morn: I'm very close to getting fed up and switching all the Pixil PIM apps to use a SQL database. Then we could make an sync app without betraying any propriatry code |
| 16:14:57 | Morn | that would be cool |
| 16:14:59 | holden | CosmicPenguin: Which DB server? |
| 16:15:09 | CosmicPenguin | sqlite.... I've been using it lately, and its pretty good |
| 16:15:09 | Morn | it could sync with almost anything then |
| 16:15:31 | CosmicPenguin | Morn - I've had my eye on syncing with Evolution... :) |
| 16:15:51 | Morn | that would be cool |
| 16:15:57 | Morn | that's what I want too |
| 16:16:08 | CosmicPenguin | Anyway, I expect to be spending lots of time at home during the Olympics (because, who wants to fight traffic?) |
| 16:16:35 | CosmicPenguin | so, I'll see how far I get. I'm trying to prod my bosses into starting Pixil development again. |
| 16:17:17 | CosmicPenguin | holden: Plus, sqlite is pretty easy to understand, so its not too hard to add new SQL commands |
| 16:19:49 | holden | CosmicPenguin: what kind of memory overhead does sqlite have? |
| 16:21:21 | CosmicPenguin | 202k shared library... I'm not sure what kind of memory it uses, I haven't analyzed that yet |
| 16:24:50 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i'm not good with db's but i'm looking for something lite to store some flat records, sqlite under gpl? |
| 16:26:53 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: Its not even GPL - No copyright or licence at all |
| 16:27:16 | CosmicPenguin | They say it supports about 90% of the SQL92, but I would say its more like 75% |
| 16:27:31 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: easy to implement for non-db gurus? |
| 16:28:28 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: Its easy to implment... you just pass raw SQL to the engine... I |
| 16:28:55 | CosmicPenguin | SQL isn't *tolo* difficult to learn (at least, I'm struggling through it) |
| 16:30:48 | Morn | SQL is not a big deal :-) |
| 16:30:55 | Morn | has been doing SQL forever |
| 16:33:43 | CosmicPenguin | Morn: I thought there was a SQL command to create a table from a file on disk? Is there? |
| 16:34:11 | Morn | that varies from database to database |
| 16:34:23 | Morn | often it is a variation on the load command |
| 16:44:51 | Morn | is away: showering... no peeking! |
| 17:10:48 | Morn | is back (gone 00:25:57) |
| 17:12:38 | prpplague | anyone know the ip address of a time server |
| 17:13:57 | Morn | earth.ipass.net has address 209.170.128.11 |
| 17:22:51 | prpplague | thanks |
| 17:29:14 | CosmicPenguin | anyone have the URL for the source to ibot? |
| 17:29:23 | | i don't know, cosmicpenguin |
| 17:29:23 | CosmicPenguin | ibot: where are you from? |
| 17:30:36 | Morn | giggles. |
| 17:31:05 | Morn | After getting used to compiling on a dual 1.4Ghz machine doing it on a 450 Mhz single processor is painful |
| 17:38:44 | prpplague | argh, one of our rhat 7.1 boxes has gotten r00ted |
| 17:38:58 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: ftp? |
| 17:40:41 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: don't know yet, don't think it was ftp |
| 17:42:09 | CosmicPenguin | I hate that exploit |
| 17:42:57 | prpplague | is going through the cert checklist now |
| 18:36:51 | CosmicPenguin | slow day, eh? |
| 18:38:29 | CosmicPenguin | needs to buy another USB mouse for the laptop |
| 18:43:22 | scanline | is away: class |
| 19:51:51 | TomW | Hello all. |
| 19:56:54 | TomW | I think I did something bad to the TuxScreen I have here.. |
| 19:57:15 | holden | TomW: what did you do? |
| 19:58:18 | TomW | Hello holden. I hit the esc key on startup, then ctrl-p and was tinkering in the bootloader. |
| 19:59:08 | holden | TomW: let me guess, it keeps wanting you to download an update to inferno? |
| 19:59:34 | TomW | I found that if you give it a '?' it will give you a help menu of commands. So... the last thing I did was tell it 'r' (reset) and now it comes up with the Software Download screen where it wants to connect to an 800 phone number. Is this bad? |
| 20:00:07 | TomW | I can still get back into the inferno loader though. |
| 20:00:17 | holden | TomW: no, a bug in the software. IIRC, what you do is hit esc on boot, then press 2 which will cause it to boot correctly. Something like that anyway... |
| 20:03:25 | TomW | Where do you find the information on how to install the blob (?) to load a kerenl into the phone? |
| 20:05:33 | TomW | I have to first unlock the Flash, right? Can I do that by just powering the phone up and then, using an external 12 battery, touch the pads under the expansion DRAM? All it takes is a momentary application of the power, or, do you have to keep the power applied while programming the flash memory? |
| 20:05:54 | holden | TomW: It's all in the Wiki somewhere. Good luck on finding it :-/ You need to unlock the flash by supplying 12V to the flash circuit with an external power supply and doing some stuff in the Inferno boot loader, then install Inferno on another computer and connect to it with a null modem cable, then run some commands to upload blob to it. |
| 20:06:05 | prpplague | TomW: yes, there is some info on that problem on the wiki pages |
| 20:06:41 | holden | TomW: You have to connect the supply to a couple of pads under the RAM socket, then boot into the boot loader and run some commands to perform the flash unlocking operation. |
| 20:07:25 | TomW | The wiki is very confusing to find this stuff. I know that I saw something like that in there, but, darned if I can find it again. I'll go lookagain, thanks holden. |
| 20:07:26 | holden | TomW: The reason for the external power supply is that the flash chips need 12V to lock and unlock sectors, but there's only 5V and 3.3V available inside the machine. |
| 20:07:52 | holden | TomW: Try the search box in the top right hand corner. I find it very confusing too. |
| 20:10:04 | TomW | holden: ok, I'll surf for a while and see what I can find. If I can get linux running on this thing then I'll probably get two more of these units. |
| 20:31:17 | TomW | holden: I found it!!! Whew! It really is in there someplace, the procedure is really buried and you have to drill down for a while. I suppose that I should bookmark this? ;-) |
| 20:31:34 | holden | TomW: Good idea. |
| 20:32:42 | sjm_home | morning |
| 20:34:32 | sjm_home | I flashed the latest CVS buildroot today :) |
| 20:35:13 | | CosmicPenguin was last seen on #tuxscreen 1 hours, 56 minutes and 44 seconds ago, saying: needs to buy another USB mouse for the laptop [Fri Feb 1 18:38:29 2002] |
| 20:35:13 | sjm_home | ibot: seen CosmicPenguin |
| 20:36:23 | holden | sjm_home: Are you having problems with NFS causing a UDP flood? |
| 20:36:41 | sjm_home | holden: Not that I'm aware of.... |
| 20:37:00 | holden | sjm_home: Sorry, mistaken identity. |
| 20:37:51 | sjm_home | I am having problems starting nano-X though :( |
| 20:38:00 | CosmicPenguin | sjm_home: You lookin for me? |
| 20:38:12 | CosmicPenguin | Hehe... holden - know anything about nano-X? :) |
| 20:38:12 | holden | sjm_home: The touchscreen driver? |
| 20:38:26 | holden | CosmicPenguin: A bit |
| 20:38:44 | sjm_home | Yeah - Error 2 opening touch panel, Cannot initialise mouse |
| 20:39:04 | CosmicPenguin | sjm_home: what kernel version? |
| 20:39:12 | sjm_home | latest cvs |
| 20:39:30 | sjm_home | 2.4.16-rmk2-tux1 |
| 20:39:47 | CosmicPenguin | *sigh* |
| 20:39:52 | holden | sjm_home: Recent kernels have a touchscreen interface which is incompatible with the driver in Nano-X. I'm planning to write a new driver if I can get this fscking NFS to work. |
| 20:40:13 | CosmicPenguin | holden: You going to get to it this weekend, because I'll have a bit of spare time where I can do it |
| 20:42:03 | holden | CosmicPenguin: Probably. If I don't get the NFS working soon I'll give up and use FTP and whatever development tools I can manage to fit onto a CF card instead. |
| 20:42:21 | CosmicPenguin | grumbles something uninteligble about RMK and changing APIs |
| 20:42:35 | sjm_home | holden: What's the nfs problem? |
| 20:42:40 | CosmicPenguin | holden: You know you can cross compile the arm stuff on a x86 - thats what I do |
| 20:43:34 | holden | sjm_home: When I try to mount a file share, the TuxScreen gets stuck in an infinite loop of sending mount requests to the wrong port on the server as fast as the network bandwidth will allow. |
| 20:44:12 | sjm_home | holden: busybox mount? |
| 20:44:43 | holden | CosmicPenguin: I know, but I like to use gdb, strace, ltrace etc. and it's a pain getting it to all fit on an 8MB CF. I suppose I could "borrow" the 64MB card from my digital camera. |
| 20:44:49 | holden | sjm_home: yes |
| 20:45:26 | sjm_home | holden: did you built it yourself? |
| 20:45:51 | holden | sjm_home: buildroot-tux built it for me |
| 20:46:28 | sjm_home | holden: hmm... I had problems with mount telling me "No such file or directory" with an earlier version. |
| 20:47:00 | sjm_home | holden: I flashed a pre-compiled image from the download/v0.4 directory and mount worked first time. |
| 20:47:04 | holden | sjm_home: I think it's probably a kernel problem. |
| 20:47:58 | sjm_home | holden: I would try a pre-compiled kernel/image and see it if works. |
| 20:48:20 | sjm_home | If so, you know there's a problem when building. |
| 20:48:35 | holden | sjm_home: I can't use a precompiled kernel because it needed patching to make my ethernet card work |
| 20:49:17 | sjm_home | holden: Ahh... not auto-detected? |
| 20:51:09 | holden | sjm_home: I needed to tell the PCMCIA stuff that my bottom slot is 5V, apply a patch to make the I/O space the card uses accessible (which at the same time stopped my CF card from working), and apply a third patch to make the card driver use the right kind of I/O calls for the hardware (it doesn't support automatically splitting 32bit transfers to two 16 bit ones like x86). |
| 20:53:03 | sjm_home | holden: Oh! Quite a bit of work then.... :) |
| 20:54:15 | holden | sjm_home: Yep, and I still can't use both my CF card and my ethernet card with the same kernel because one of the modifications to make the ethernet work breaks the CF. |
| 20:56:03 | sjm_home | holden: judging by what CosmicPenguin said, you do development work on the tux itself? |
| 20:57:17 | holden | sjm_home: I will be doing when I can get either (preferably) NFS root or a reasonable set of debugging tools onto a CF card. |
| 20:59:39 | sjm_home | holden: okay, cool. Good luck! |
| 21:03:59 | CosmicPenguin | notices that his 801.11B quality has just gone straight to hell |
| 21:04:18 | CosmicPenguin | Weird.. I can scp out at normal speeds, but doing a scp in is causing major slowness |
| 21:06:21 | CosmicPenguin | hmmm... downgrade to 2.4.10 works |
| 21:12:27 | TomW | can anyone help me with getting an error in compiling the pcmcia sources? I keep getting a weird error. |
| 21:12:56 | CosmicPenguin | TomW: What error are you getting? |
| 21:13:04 | holden | TomW: Does the build actually stop at that point or does it carry on to the finish? |
| 21:13:05 | TomW | home/tom/TuxScreen/buildroot-tux/staging_dir/usr/bin/arm-uclibc-strip: /home/tom/TuxScreen/buildroot-tux/pcmcia-cs-3.1.29/cardmgr/pcinitrd: File format not recognized |
| 21:14:04 | TomW | The file is a script file. I don't understand why the arm-uclibc-strip facility is even considering it. I assume that the strip facility is to remove debug symbols or some such thing? |
| 21:14:57 | TomW | holden: the build dies at this point. It gives serveral errors of this type and all the files involved are text files (scripts). |
| 21:16:02 | TomW | holden: I am using the latest buildroot-tux from cvs and I even changed the bintools package to another arm compiler package, but it still comes up with this error. |
| 21:16:32 | holden | TomW: haven't seen that before. There are usually some errors in the pcmcia-cs package but it usually carries on past them and produces a working set of tools anyway. |
| 21:16:34 | CosmicPenguin | Ok.... he must have set it up to search and strip all files with the execute flag set |
| 21:17:51 | sjm_home | The makefile is stripping file with permissions +111 |
| 21:21:59 | TomW | Yes, I see that. It does a find pcmcia-xxx/cardmanger/ -type f -perm +111. I suppose that I could turn off the 'x' permissions of those text files? |
| 21:22:20 | TomW | Some of those files are Elf binaries... |
| 21:22:33 | sjm_home | Interestingly enough, mine are set, and mine builds fine <shrug> |
| 21:23:20 | CosmicPenguin | It should be piping those through file, and only accepting those that come back as ELF files |
| 21:23:40 | sjm_home | *nods* |
| 21:26:54 | TomW | Okay, It took changing the permissions of about 6 files to a-x before I got it to continue. |
| 21:27:18 | TomW | All the files seemed to be perl scripts. |
| 21:27:37 | sjm_home | It's actually checking if it's a regular file, not an ELF file, so a shell script would pass. |
| 21:27:54 | TomW | Well! I finally have a jffs and a kerenl image! |
| 21:28:22 | TomW | Now to look into the pcmcia Makefile and see what is happening there! |
| 21:33:01 | TomW | These are the files affected: pcmcia-cs-3.1.29/cardmgr/pcinitrd pcmcia-cs-3.1.29/debugtools/test_modem pcmcia-cs-3.1.29/debugtools/test_setup pcmcia-cs-3.1.29/debugtools/test_network pcmcia-cs-3.1.29/debugtools/dump_pirq |
| 21:34:26 | CosmicPenguin | TomW: This is how I did the same thing in a buildroot of my own: |
| 21:35:05 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ehy what am i missing here? i can't seem to get busybox-nslookup to work... any ideas? |
| 21:35:08 | CosmicPenguin | for fo in `find $(TARGET_DIR) -type f -perm +111`; do if file $$fo | grep "ELF" | grep "executable" > /dev/null; then $(TARGET_CROSS)strip $$fo; fi; done |
| 21:35:26 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: Is is sending out massive quantities of UDP packets? |
| 21:35:37 | sjm_home | TomW: I'm using the buildroot as of about 8 hours ago, and the permissions on those files are 555 (ie, +x), and buildroot worked fine for me. |
| 21:36:16 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: negative, it appears to be not finding my resolv.conf file |
| 21:36:24 | CosmicPenguin | Man.... this SMC card I'm using does *not* work well with 2.4.17.... |
| 21:36:33 | sjm_home | TomW: ie, no problems stripping |
| 21:36:50 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: What?????? Are you you using uclibc? |
| 21:36:57 | holden | prpplague: nslookup is working for me |
| 21:37:27 | file | file not found. |
| 21:38:36 | CosmicPenguin | uclibc doesn't use resolv.conf |
| 21:38:41 | CosmicPenguin | Or wait... it does |
| 21:38:48 | CosmicPenguin | hits himself over the head with a very large hammer |
| 21:38:51 | holden | CosmicPenguin: it does |
| 21:39:14 | CosmicPenguin | hits himself a second time for good measure |
| 21:39:15 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i've tried it both with libc and uclibc |
| 21:39:25 | CosmicPenguin | holden: I was thinking of nss* |
| 21:39:40 | Russ|werk | CosmicPenguin: how is uclibc and the C++ stuff? |
| 21:40:29 | CosmicPenguin | Russ|werk: I don't know, andersee hasn't sent it to me yet...:( |
| 21:42:40 | holden | Cool, the IR keyboard sends seperate "keyup" signals, so if you press a key until it starts repeating, cover the sender with your hand, let go of the key, and take your hand away again it gets stuck infinitely repeating the character (until you press another key). |
| 21:42:43 | TomW | CosmicPenguin: I will try it, thanks for the ditty, I was about to begin build the same scriptline. |
| 21:43:43 | Russ|werk | CosmicPenguin: its not in CVS? |
| 21:54:13 | CosmicPenguin | Russ|werk: Thats probably why uclibc_snapshot.tar.gz doesn't compile... :) |
| 21:55:18 | file | shivers |
| 21:56:20 | ctr | bought a ps2 today, with another controller, a memory thingy, SSX Tricky and WRC |
| 21:56:32 | sjm_home | Time for breakfast. Seeya all |
| 21:58:05 | file | wazzup all? |
| 21:58:12 | TomW | Odd that my version of the pcmcia-cs-3.1.29/Makefile would have that error and no one else has seen this? |
| 22:00:13 | CosmicPenguin | Anyone else download uclibc-snapshot.tar.gz today? |
| 22:00:51 | prpplague | negative |
| 22:01:03 | prpplague | argh, i can't figure this out |
| 22:01:09 | prpplague | something isn't right |
| 22:01:16 | CosmicPenguin | I'm getting a Error: .previous without corresponding .section; ignored |
| 22:01:56 | CosmicPenguin | Do we need a newer compiler than 2.95.2?? |
| 22:01:57 | holden | CosmicPenguin: From ldso? I think somebody on the mailing list reported that too. |
| 22:02:08 | Russ|werk | CosmicPenguin: its much easier to have a CVS tree |
| 22:02:39 | Russ|werk | CosmicPenguin: then you can do 'cvs update -D "last week"' when things go wrong |
| 22:02:40 | TomW | I have the 2.95.3 that I am using for ARM, cannot remember where I got it from though.. |
| 22:02:53 | CosmicPenguin | Russ|werk: Yeah, I know..... |
| 22:03:01 | CosmicPenguin | How often does he tag it? |
| 22:03:51 | holden | CosmicPenguin: what time zone are you in? |
| 22:03:57 | TomW | CosmicPenguin: thanks, I got that script integrated into the Makefile and all seems to build okay now after clean-ing the pcmcia dir. |
| 22:04:42 | CosmicPenguin | US: Mountain west |
| 22:05:09 | holden | CosmicPenguin: What's the three letter code for that? |
| 22:05:30 | CosmicPenguin | mST |
| 22:05:41 | holden | CosmicPenguin: Thanks |
| 22:08:43 | CosmicPenguin | Russ|werk: Lets see if -D "yesterday" does the strick |
| 22:08:46 | CosmicPenguin | s/strick/trick/ |
| 22:09:25 | TomW | I found (finally) some info on updating the inferno image on the Wiki, but is this the procedure I have to follow to load a kernel + fs into the TuxScreen? The url is: http://TuxScreen.SourceForge.net/wiki/view/Main/UpdatingInferno, or is this not what I want to do? |
| 22:11:16 | holden | TomW: search for InfernoRemote and InstallingLinux, the info you need is on those two pages. |
| 22:12:52 | holden | TomW: Do what it says on FlashUnlock first though if you haven't already. |
| 22:16:35 | TomW | holden: thanks, I recall now about working with older 28F010 devices and the need to apply the 12v. |
| 22:17:16 | prpplague | feels stupid.... dns problem was broken link |
| 22:17:18 | CosmicPenguin | Does anyone have a working uclibc? |
| 22:17:26 | CosmicPenguin | whats the date on the tarball? |
| 22:17:36 | prpplague | let me check |
| 22:18:55 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: mines old, oct 8 2001 |
| 22:19:01 | CosmicPenguin | Shoot.... |
| 22:19:16 | holden | CosmicPenguin: I did a cvs update and successfully built a uClibc from it at 19:06 31/1/2002 GMT |
| 22:21:30 | CosmicPenguin | This just isn't playing well with the new perl file.... :( |
| 22:21:37 | file | what what what |
| 22:24:52 | CosmicPenguin | holden: I'm still getting the same error message |
| 22:26:46 | holden | CosmicPenguin: Let Erik know; if there's a problem I'm sure he'll want to know about it as he's about to release 0.9.9 |
| 22:26:57 | CosmicPenguin | Very wierd - the last check in on that file was the 23rd... it must be my fault |
| 22:27:05 | file | what what what!!!!!!! |
| 22:27:19 | file | :) |
| 22:27:31 | holden | file: Have you been taking too many of the happy pills again? |
| 22:27:41 | CosmicPenguin | x86 builds fine |
| 22:27:43 | file | smiles |
| 22:28:14 | CosmicPenguin | holden: What arm compiler are you using |
| 22:28:18 | CosmicPenguin | suspects the worst |
| 22:28:50 | holden | CosmicPenguin: 2.95.3 from ftp.arm.linux.org.uk |
| 22:29:14 | CosmicPenguin | Ok, then, WTF is going on |
| 22:30:50 | file | it's evil! |
| 22:33:16 | CosmicPenguin | is very frustrated |
| 22:34:24 | CosmicPenguin | heads for the beer |
| 22:39:13 | TomW | holden: yeah, I am using the 2.95.3 also. I build everthing from the recent buildroot-tux from cvs. Other than the pcmcia problem with scripts being stripped, I got the images built. Don't yet know if they will work... |
| 22:40:45 | CosmicPenguin | Is this a 2.95.2 bug then? |
| 22:41:24 | holden | CosmicPenguin: Why not try 2.95.3 and see? |
| 22:44:24 | CosmicPenguin | holden: I don't know... I guess I should upgrade... but skiff has been soooo kind to me |
| 22:44:36 | CosmicPenguin | ok, upgrading now... |
| 22:44:39 | CosmicPenguin | grumbles |
| 22:45:39 | holden | CosmicPenguin: You don't need to delete 2.95.2; if 2.95.3 causes other problems for you then use 2.95.2... |
| 22:46:16 | CosmicPenguin | holden: hmmm.... emdebian is 2.95.2 also |
| 22:46:31 | CosmicPenguin | scratches his head |
| 22:59:00 | CosmicPenguin | holden: that was it |
| 22:59:12 | holden | Great! |
| 23:00:52 | CosmicPenguin | I don't envy andersee trying to debug *that* |
| 23:02:16 | TomW | yawn! |
| 23:02:22 | CosmicPenguin | sjm: I'll fix the touchscreen this weekend... and prolly also move up to the lateset CVS version of microwindows |
| 23:03:08 | CosmicPenguin | holden: Latest SDL will compile and start... but it doesn't get events for some reason... |
| 23:03:15 | TomW | Well, I got inferno running, I think. When I type wm/wm, I get the blue screen, but there is no icon inside it. |
| 23:03:24 | holden | CosmicPenguin: You're doing the touchscreendriver then? |
| 23:03:30 | CosmicPenguin | holden: sure |
| 23:03:55 | holden | CosmicPenguin: Ok then. Let me know when you have something working. |
| 23:04:14 | CosmicPenguin | holden: Ok. |
| 23:06:09 | holden | TomW: You don't need to run wm (the GUI) to upload blob- you can do that from the console. |
| 23:08:01 | holden | TomW: When I run wm though, I get a bar along the bottom of the screen with a weird tree button at the left hand side, with options in it like the windows start menu. I also get a window with the title "Console" and the text "plumb: can't read /usr/alex/lib/plumbing: file does not exist" in it. Most of the demo programs work though, and it is somewhat more pleasant to use than the version of Inferno that comes installed on the TuxScreen. |
| 23:09:56 | holden | I prefer my Nano-X Tetris clone to the Inferno one though ;) |
| 23:10:51 | TomW | holden: okay, just wanted to check to see if this is normal. Do I need to make a certificate, or am I now done with configuring / installing inferno? |
| 23:11:16 | CosmicPenguin | TomW: I fixed the pcmcia strip problem in the Makefile and checked it in |
| 23:11:34 | holden | TomW: Certificate? I don't remember doing anything like that... |
| 23:12:56 | CosmicPenguin | holden: If you have any microwindows patches that greg hasn't accepted yet, we can stick them in the tuxscreen version... :) |
| 23:13:36 | CosmicPenguin | needs to convert tinytoe to use pixil-oe |
| 23:13:53 | holden | CosmicPenguin: Good idea. It would mean somebody manually porting across any changes Greg makes to his CVS tree to the TuxScreen one though. |
| 23:14:22 | CosmicPenguin | holden: Remember how we wanted to maintain a independent tree? Here is our chance |
| 23:15:33 | holden | CosmicPenguin: Yep. I was just saying that somebody will have to keep the two trees in sync. |
| 23:16:01 | TomW | holden: ok, I made a mistake... I was reading the inferno manual, I have been too well trained in un*x stuff, RTFM. |
| 23:16:10 | CosmicPenguin | holden: Since most of the changes these days are mine, I can probably do that... :) |
| 23:16:38 | holden | TomW: Manual? What's one of those? |
| 23:16:44 | CosmicPenguin | There was a manual? |
| 23:17:20 | TomW | CosmicPenguin: this is what I used to fix it: for fo in `find pcmcia-cs-3.1.29/cardmgr/ -type f -perm +111` ; do if file $fo | grep "ELF" | grep "executable" ; then $(TARGET_CROSS)strip $fo ; fi ; done; |
| 23:18:15 | TomW | :-/ yes, I read more and hack less these days. I just am afraid of bricking this box! |
| 23:20:01 | holden | TomW: I was a bit worried when the instructions for backing the Inferno image up made the TuxScreen lock up. Then I thought "well, the worst that can happen is I have to make a JTAG cable" and did the blob upload anyway... |
| 23:21:42 | scanline | is back (gone 04:38:19) |
| 23:26:43 | JALH | neat |
| 23:27:34 | CosmicPenguin | Wow.... |
| 23:28:12 | CosmicPenguin | A drive by oping |
| 23:32:32 | TimRiker | CosmicPenguin: ;-) |
| 23:32:44 | TimRiker | the channel expired with chanserv for some reason. |
| 23:53:50 | TomW | Cool! got Inferno to connect. |
| 23:57:32 | TomW | holden: yes, I see what you mean about dying while attempting to backup the inferno image. It created the backup file, but did not put anything into it. I wonder if the baudrate might be too high, I'll try 9600. |
| 23:58:06 | holden | TomW: Run procinfo and see if your serial interrupts are going up. |
| 23:58:28 | AeroSpace | TomW: I backedup mine, check to see if it is transfering anything. It seems to me it didn't write until it was complety transfered. |
| 23:58:46 | holden | TomW: With mine, the interrupts kept on going up, indicating that data was being transferred, for about 12 minutes, then it just stopped. I had to reset the TuxScreen. |
| 23:59:22 | holden | TomW: I waited for about 30 minutes total and it obviously wasn't doing anything. |
