| 00:27:47 | CosmicPenguin | This database is trashing both the stack and my brain, so I gotta go.... simpsons will be on in 30 minutes |
| 00:28:12 | cpenugin_work | is away: Segmentation fault? Is that bad?? |
| 00:36:57 | scanline | is away: food(sorta) |
| 00:56:27 | scanline | is back (gone 00:19:31) |
| 01:25:17 | jacques | hi andersee, you really here? |
| 01:35:44 | andersee | yup |
| 01:35:51 | andersee | really here for a change. :) |
| 01:47:17 | Russ|werk | random comment: gnome 2.0 cannot come too soon |
| 01:47:45 | jacques | hi :-) |
| 01:47:58 | jacques | andersee: how's it been going? |
| 01:48:22 | andersee | not too bad |
| 01:48:31 | andersee | I've been _way_ busy, as usual... |
| 01:48:48 | jacques | yeah I've been following the uclibc list a bit |
| 01:49:04 | andersee | I think I'll be pushing out uclibc 0.9.9 tonight.... |
| 01:49:09 | jacques | excellent |
| 01:49:40 | andersee | One more fix for ARM pending first. Then I'll do some testing, cut a toolchain, and make a release. :) |
| 01:49:53 | file | throws a Netwinder 'round the room |
| 01:49:58 | andersee | Then I'll be giving busybox some much needed care and affection. |
| 01:50:38 | jacques | cut a toolchain? |
| 01:50:49 | andersee | yup |
| 01:50:52 | andersee | muhahahaha |
| 01:50:53 | jacques | oh, a uclibc based toolchain? |
| 01:50:56 | file | I want an I-Opener... |
| 01:51:04 | andersee | Will allow full C++ support. :) |
| 01:51:29 | andersee | Cosmic_Penguin will be very happy |
| 01:51:50 | andersee | It will let the FLTK based microwindows junk compile |
| 01:52:02 | file | junk? |
| 01:52:16 | andersee | just an expression. stuff. code. whatever. |
| 01:52:20 | jacques | andersee: WOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 01:52:33 | jacques | hyperventilates |
| 01:53:23 | andersee | So far, I've only been buiding arm cross-toolchains. I guess I should try a native x86 one too. |
| 01:54:03 | jacques | andersee: what do you need to do differently to allow c++ to work in the toolchain? |
| 01:54:10 | jacques | andersee: I like to build my own |
| 01:54:30 | Russ|werk | kick ass |
| 01:55:54 | andersee | jacques: a whole huge pile of changes really... It was lots and lots of little things, chicken and egg problems, that sort of thing. It started off a bit painful since I needed to create a chicken without any eggs initially. |
| 01:56:08 | andersee | Russ|werk: <big grin> |
| 01:56:17 | jacques | andersee: ah, heh. well looks like I'll be using your for a while then |
| 01:56:27 | file | andersee: how can you make a chicken without an egg? |
| 01:56:45 | jacques | andersee: tho if I can document the tinyx build, I think you can document the c++ toolchain build :-D :-D |
| 01:56:56 | sjm | file: andersee can make anything :) |
| 01:57:03 | andersee | file: using things that look sortof like chickens, but arn't. :) |
| 01:57:11 | file | can andersee make Windows usuable? |
| 01:57:28 | andersee | jacques: I have a script + sources I use to build the thing |
| 01:57:36 | file | usable... |
| 01:58:10 | jacques | andersee: :-D |
| 01:58:10 | andersee | jacques: BTW, I am hopeful that the link problem (step #8) may be fixed now. Even without changing toolchains.... |
| 01:58:30 | jacques | andersee: step #8 of what? |
| 01:58:56 | andersee | jacques: the HOWTO Buld TinyX document. The manual link step... |
| 01:59:05 | jacques | andersee: OOOH, super-coool! |
| 01:59:19 | jacques | today is a good day |
| 01:59:43 | andersee | In fact, any chance you might be able to grab the latest uClibc code and try it? |
| 02:01:30 | jacques | andersee: a very good chance, depending on when you need the results by |
| 02:01:46 | jacques | andersee: I am doing a couple of work builds right now |
| 02:02:03 | jacques | andersee: should I use snap or latest cvs? |
| 02:02:19 | Sammy | Good morning Everyone :) |
| 02:02:45 | andersee | I just ran the daily snapshot script manually, so either way |
| 02:02:51 | jacques | cool |
| 02:03:00 | jacques | I'll try now |
| 02:03:16 | andersee | If you are targeting ARM, there is one bug yet I'm about to fix with longlmp. |
| 02:03:54 | andersee | setjmp is callig the incorrect routine, which causes things like ^C in busybox ash to kill the shell... |
| 02:04:02 | andersee | I fixed x86 late last night. |
| 02:08:04 | andersee | oops. Gotta run. Back later |
| 02:08:10 | andersee | is away: I'm busy |
| 02:08:57 | jacques | ok |
| 02:19:58 | jacques | arg, buildroot is still not working for me |
| 02:20:07 | jacques | uclibc is not populating the staging_dir |
| 02:20:40 | jacques | andersee: I dont know ohw to test the latest uclibc since buildroot is not workig for me :-\ |
| 02:22:46 | Brad_ | I don't want to clog this channel with a purchase request, but what do I do? Do I simply send Tim's Paypal account enough money? |
| 02:24:54 | jacques | Brad_: yep |
| 02:25:03 | jacques | Brad_: he's great to deal with - I bought 4 |
| 02:25:34 | Brad_ | Great - My friend's just arrived, and I'm thrilled at what I'll be getting for $100. |
| 02:26:07 | jacques | yeah, it's a lot of hardware for under $100 |
| 02:26:23 | jacques | heh, several ppl in my office bought some after seeing mine |
| 03:27:58 | tomdacat | does anyone have information about nfs? |
| 03:30:41 | tomdacat | like does it work, and if not, how do i get it enabled |
| 03:30:41 | sjm | what sort of information? |
| 03:30:48 | tomdacat | sorry, read ^ |
| 03:30:51 | sjm | yes, it works :) |
| 03:31:09 | tomdacat | is it set up in the .5 wiki? |
| 03:31:44 | sjm | You'll need to change the IP and directory names in /linuxrc |
| 03:32:12 | tomdacat | i have the host ip set up, and i can ping the nfs server |
| 03:32:28 | tomdacat | and i have the nfs share set up in /etc/fstab |
| 03:32:47 | sjm | mount -o nolock a.b.c.d:/export/dir /mnt |
| 03:34:30 | tomdacat | hrm.... |
| 03:35:53 | sjm | What does it say? |
| 03:35:59 | tomdacat | it is giving me a permission denied error |
| 03:36:07 | sjm | cat /etc/exports |
| 03:36:12 | sjm | on the server |
| 03:38:15 | tomdacat | yeah, it has : path ipoftuxscreen/netmask(rw,no_root_squash)" |
| 03:40:43 | sjm | anything in /var/log/messages on the server? |
| 03:41:56 | tomdacat | NFS mount of /export/tuxsren attempted from 192.168.100.6 |
| 03:44:28 | sjm | Can you mount that directory locally on the server? |
| 03:47:52 | tomdacat | i don't have it set up to be mounted by the server, but i will try |
| 03:48:05 | sjm | mount -t nfs localhost:/export/tuxsren /mnt |
| 03:48:40 | tomdacat | nope |
| 03:48:43 | tomdacat | mount: localhost:/export/tuxscreen failed, reason given by server: Permission denied |
| 03:49:18 | sjm | Are you root? |
| 03:49:38 | tomdacat | yes, yes i am |
| 03:50:38 | sjm | Are you sure the path in /etc/exports is the same as the path you are giving to the mount command? |
| 03:53:21 | tomdacat | yeah |
| 03:53:36 | tomdacat | and i restarted rpc.mountd and rpc.nfsd |
| 03:54:00 | sjm | cool |
| 03:54:28 | sjm | try removing the ip/netmask from /etc/exports |
| 03:55:42 | tomdacat | that worked |
| 03:55:47 | tomdacat | but makes no sense |
| 04:01:17 | sjm | Hmm.... Looking at the man page for exports - |
| 04:01:31 | sjm | You need to specify the network IP, not the tuxscreen IP. |
| 04:05:29 | tomdacat | right, 192.168.100.0/255.255.255.0 |
| 04:06:16 | sjm | That should do |
| 04:11:21 | tomdacat | that didn't but i will try other things |
| 04:11:24 | tomdacat | thanks |
| 04:39:48 | Hiraghm | hI |
| 04:41:44 | | Hiraghm: what? |
| 04:41:44 | Hiraghm | ibot ice storms suck |
| 04:41:51 | Hiraghm | ice storms, Ibot. they suck |
| 04:50:45 | | jacques: Something failed in connecting to the NOAA web server. Try again later. |
| 04:50:45 | jacques | ibot: weather ksjc |
| 04:59:56 | andersee | is back (gone 02:51:47) |
| 05:09:53 | jacques | hi andersee |
| 05:10:06 | jacques | did you see my comment about buildroot-tux? :-\ |
| 05:21:04 | andersee | Lemme look. |
| 05:21:13 | andersee | broken eh? |
| 05:21:24 | andersee | k. Lemme fix it... |
| 05:27:43 | jacques | :-) |
| 05:42:19 | andersee | jacques: fixed |
| 05:42:37 | andersee | jacques: wanna do a 'cvs up' and try it again? |
| 05:46:37 | jacques | coolness |
| 05:58:43 | jacques | now if only the busybox patch would apply cleanly... |
| 05:59:07 | jacques | andersee: hmm, I'm seeing exact same problem |
| 05:59:20 | jacques | staging_dir is not populated - empty after uclibc build |
| 05:59:24 | jacques | what am I doing wrong? |
| 06:00:25 | jacques | chacking out and trying again... |
| 06:01:15 | andersee | I'm just looking. I think the latest mtd snapshot is broken... |
| 06:02:35 | jacques | yeah, I notece many errors when it builds |
| 06:02:57 | jacques | is it what populates staging_dir? |
| 06:04:46 | andersee | no. It is what constructs mkfs.jffs2 |
| 06:06:41 | jacques | am I correct in thinking the uclibc build populates staging_dir? |
| 06:06:55 | andersee | yup |
| 06:07:28 | andersee | you are using "buildroot-tux" (for the phone) or "buildroot" (the uml one on my cvs server) |
| 06:07:56 | andersee | ? |
| 06:08:03 | jacques | buildroot-tux (what's the uml one about?) |
| 06:09:16 | andersee | just checking. |
| 06:09:50 | andersee | The uml is sortof like the original. I spawned the buildroot-tux one based on it. |
| 06:10:40 | jacques | ah |
| 06:11:22 | andersee | Anyway, just checking we were on the same sheet of music, so to speak |
| 06:12:11 | jacques | :-) |
| 06:19:33 | jacques | sigh, even using uclibc 0.9.8 does not populate the staging_dir |
| 06:19:38 | jacques | I am stimped |
| 06:19:43 | jacques | stumped |
| 06:20:57 | jacques | hmm, looks like uclibc is not een being built... |
| 06:21:02 | jacques | strange |
| 06:21:41 | jacques | :-( |
| 06:22:22 | jacques | not even sure this is same exact problem I was having a few days ago - but empty staging_dir is always the same |
| 06:23:09 | jacques | looks like uclibc is not getting configured even |
| 06:25:34 | andersee | Hmm. |
| 06:25:43 | andersee | You did a full 'cvs up'? |
| 06:26:11 | jacques | well now I have donea clean checkout a few times |
| 06:26:30 | jacques | where exactly should I cd into and do the 'cvs up' ? |
| 06:26:41 | jacques | didnt make a difference when I did it in buildroot-tux |
| 06:26:53 | jacques | even though I saw it got a new something.pl in uclibc |
| 06:27:41 | jacques | can you tell me the exact steps starting with the initial cvs checkout? |
| 06:28:06 | jacques | I find the easiest way to deal with buildroot-tux is with lots of rm -rf and make distclean's |
| 06:28:20 | jacques | since I simply do not understand what controls the buildig of what |
| 06:40:14 | andersee | jacques: if you have sources/uClibc_config.pl, you have the latest... |
| 06:40:26 | andersee | I'll do a distclean and try again from there.... |
| 06:42:40 | jacques | yeah I have tried several times now |
| 06:42:54 | jacques | tihs time I waited nutil the busybox patch failed then cded into uclibc and did cvs up |
| 06:43:09 | jacques | but no matter what, uclibc is not even gettig compiled AFAICT |
| 06:43:49 | jacques | it just gets untarred and then mdirs staging, and mkdirs staging and then tried to build busybox |
| 06:43:56 | jacques | which fails since staging is empty |
| 06:44:48 | jacques | I think it's some sort of makefile issue |
| 06:47:46 | andersee | I just did a dist-clean. Fist had to find a working mtd snapshot.. :( |
| 06:48:00 | andersee | Ok, I see the failure now. |
| 06:48:03 | andersee | I'm on it... |
| 06:48:06 | jacques | :-D |
| 06:57:46 | andersee | K, I think I found the bug. testing |
| 07:08:02 | andersee | k. Trying once more from a distclean to be sure everything is all set. |
| 07:10:02 | andersee | jacques: cvs up Makefile |
| 07:10:03 | jacques | :-) |
| 07:10:05 | andersee | All fixed |
| 07:12:04 | jacques | checking |
| 07:12:08 | jacques | from a clean checkout |
| 07:12:27 | jacques | andersee: is latest uclibc snal fixed? |
| 07:12:34 | andersee | snal? |
| 07:12:38 | jacques | snap |
| 07:12:48 | jacques | also where can I find a working mtd snap? |
| 07:13:05 | andersee | I've got the makefile pointing to a working one now. |
| 07:13:57 | andersee | The latest uclibc snapshot works fine. One bugfix I intend to fix for ARM before cutting 0.9.9 though, which isn't there yet since I've not fixed it yet. |
| 07:17:57 | jacques | I've gotta learn buildroot better |
| 07:18:10 | jacques | every time I change something I end up reabuilding everything including the krenel |
| 07:18:15 | jacques | which takes a long time |
| 07:18:43 | jacques | andersee: are you still servering uclibc from your home ? |
| 07:18:53 | jacques | it's kinda slow downloading :-) |
| 07:19:32 | andersee | before doing a 'make distclean', I did a 'mv linux sources dl/linux-2.4.16.tar.bz2 ..', then I moved them back so they wouldn't need to be refetched and rebuilt |
| 07:19:58 | andersee | jacques: yeah. I'm working on the new server tonight though, which will be colocated. :) |
| 07:20:15 | andersee | jacques: how slow is slow? |
| 07:20:43 | jacques | andersee: ah good point - I have been doing that with sources/dl but did not think to do it with linux dir |
| 07:21:00 | jacques | cool, uclibc is actually compilineg for once :-) |
| 07:21:18 | jacques | andersee: not that slow, but about 20bK/sec instead of 160 |
| 07:21:48 | jacques | arg |
| 07:22:14 | jacques | make[1]: Entering directory `/home/packages/tuxscreen/buildroot-tux/busybox' |
| 07:22:14 | jacques | /home/packages/tuxscreen/buildroot-tux/staging_dir/usr/bin/arm-uclibc-gcc -pipe -Wall -Wshadow -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -D_GNU_SOURCE -DBB_VER='"0.60.3-pre"' -DBB_BT='"2002.01.31-07:15+0000"' -DUSE_SYSTEM_PWD_GRP -Ilibbb -DL_full_version -c libbb/messages.c -o libbb/full_version.o |
| 07:22:14 | jacques | /bin/sh: /home/packages/tuxscreen/buildroot-tux/staging_dir/usr/bin/arm-uclibc-gcc: No such file or directory |
| 07:22:14 | jacques | make[1]: /home/packages/tuxscreen/buildroot-tux/staging_dir/usr/bin/arm-uclibc-gcc: Command not found |
| 07:22:16 | jacques | make[1]: *** [libbb/full_version.o] Error 127 |
| 07:22:18 | jacques | make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/packages/tuxscreen/buildroot-tux/busybox' |
| 07:22:20 | jacques | make: *** [busybox] Error 2 |
| 07:22:23 | jacques | staging dir still empty |
| 07:23:02 | jacques | what am I doing wrong? |
| 07:24:58 | andersee | hmm. lemme try again... |
| 07:25:19 | andersee | $ mv linux/ sources/dl .. |
| 07:25:20 | andersee | $ make distclean |
| 07:25:20 | andersee | $ mv ../dl sources/ |
| 07:25:20 | andersee | $ mv ../linux . |
| 07:25:20 | andersee | $ make |
| 07:26:24 | jacques | I just cd'd into uClibc dir and did a make install - it put some stuff in staging but did this: |
| 07:26:37 | jacques | "arm-linux-"strip -x -R .note -R .comment ldd |
| 07:26:37 | jacques | arm-linux-strip: Warning: Output file cannot represent architecture UNKNOWN! |
| 07:26:38 | jacques | ../../extra/gcc-uClibc/i386-uclibc-gcc -Wall -Os -fstrict-aliasing -fno-builtin -nostdinc -pipe -nostdinc -I../../include -I/usr/local/arm/lib/gcc-lib/arm-linux/2.95.4/include -I. -D_LIBC -DNDEBUG -fPIC -static --uclibc-use-build-dir -s -DUCLIBC_TARGET_PREFIX=\"/\" \ |
| 07:26:38 | jacques | -DUCLIBC_DEVEL_PREFIX=\""/home/packages/tuxscreen/buildroot-tux/staging_dir"\" \ |
| 07:26:38 | jacques | -DUCLIBC_BUILD_DIR=\"/home/packages/tuxscreen/buildroot-tux/uClibc\" \ |
| 07:26:40 | jacques | -DUCLIBC_LDSO=\"ld-uClibc.so.0\" \ |
| 07:26:42 | jacques | ldd.c -o ldd.target |
| 07:26:44 | jacques | /bin/sh: ../../extra/gcc-uClibc/i386-uclibc-gcc: No such file or directory |
| 07:26:46 | jacques | make[2]: *** [ldd.target] Error 127 |
| 07:26:48 | jacques | make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/packages/tuxscreen/buildroot-tux/uClibc/ldso/util' |
| 07:27:02 | jacques | so, make install is not being done in my buildroot uclibc |
| 07:28:31 | jacques | but at least it's trying to compile uslibc now |
| 07:29:59 | andersee | Hmm. Ok, lemme take a look at that. |
| 07:30:53 | andersee | ok, I see it. My bad. Thanks for finding a bug for me to squash. :) |
| 07:32:48 | jacques | is this bad?: |
| 07:32:50 | jacques | make[2]: Entering directory `/home/packages/tuxscreen/buildroot-tux/uClibc/libc' |
| 07:32:51 | jacques | "arm-linux-"ar rv ./tmp/libgcc-need.a |
| 07:32:51 | jacques | Finding missing symbols in libc.a ... |
| 07:32:51 | jacques | partial linking... |
| 07:32:51 | jacques | Symbol _GLOBAL_OFFSET_TABLE_ needed by libc.a but not found in libgcc.a |
| 07:32:51 | jacques | Extracting referenced libgcc.a objects ... |
| 07:32:54 | jacques | Objects added from /usr/local/arm/lib/gcc-lib/arm-linux/2.95.4/libgcc.a: |
| 07:32:56 | jacques | _divsi3.o |
| 07:32:58 | jacques | _dvmd_lnx.o |
| 07:32:59 | jacques | _modsi3.o |
| 07:33:01 | jacques | _udivdi3.o |
| 07:33:03 | jacques | _udivsi3.o |
| 07:33:05 | jacques | _umoddi3.o |
| 07:33:09 | jacques | _umodsi3.o |
| 07:33:11 | jacques | Symbols missing from libgcc.a: |
| 07:33:13 | jacques | _GLOBAL_OFFSET_TABLE_ |
| 07:33:41 | andersee | jacques: nope. Thats totally normal and expected |
| 07:34:33 | jacques | how about this: |
| 07:34:42 | jacques | tar -xf /home/packages/tuxscreen/buildroot-tux/sources/skel.tar |
| 07:34:42 | jacques | cp -a target_skeleton/* /home/packages/tuxscreen/buildroot-tux/root/ |
| 07:34:42 | jacques | find /home/packages/tuxscreen/buildroot-tux/root -type d -name CVS -exec rm -rf {} \; > /dev/null 2>&1 |
| 07:34:42 | jacques | make: [/home/packages/tuxscreen/buildroot-tux/root] Error 1 (ignored) |
| 07:34:51 | jacques | (there is no root dir in buildroot-tux) |
| 07:38:01 | jacques | hmm, there is a root dir there now... |
| 07:38:07 | jacques | but staging still empty |
| 07:38:22 | BZFlag | so did you archive cvs? or should we convert to cvs checkout on the date? |
| 07:39:09 | andersee | BZFlag: I think for now we should grab a copy and stick it on the sourceforce server... |
| 07:39:33 | BZFlag | I'd vote for anonymous cvs checkout with a -D param. ;-) |
| 07:39:58 | andersee | jacques: cd uClibc; cvs up; |
| 07:40:26 | andersee | I just fixed uClibc/ldso/Makefile, which I broke last night for cross compiling... |
| 07:41:06 | andersee | BZFlag: k, go for it. That would avoid the "snapshot disappears after a month" problem we have now... |
| 07:43:03 | jacques | andersee: I did the cvs up but the Makefile in ldso is still old: |
| 07:43:18 | jacques | -rw-r--r-- 1 601 users 1467 Jan 11 13:09 Makefile |
| 07:44:39 | andersee | cd uClibc/ldso/util; cvs up; cd - |
| 07:45:31 | jacques | ok |
| 07:48:25 | jacques | ok that got a new makefile |
| 07:48:51 | jacques | looking better |
| 07:48:57 | jacques | make install worked that time in uClibc |
| 07:50:06 | jacques | OK, now it populated staging_dir, and starts to compile busybox |
| 07:50:33 | jacques | but: |
| 07:50:36 | jacques | [root@bserver buildroot-tux]# make |
| 07:50:36 | jacques | + make CROSS=/home/packages/tuxscreen/buildroot-tux/staging_dir/usr/bin/arm-uclibc- PREFIX=/home/packages/tuxscreen/buildroot-tux/root -C /home/packages/tuxscreen/buildroot-tux/busybox install |
| 07:50:36 | jacques | make[1]: Entering directory `/home/packages/tuxscreen/buildroot-tux/busybox' |
| 07:50:36 | jacques | /home/packages/tuxscreen/buildroot-tux/staging_dir/usr/bin/arm-uclibc-gcc -s -Wl,-warn-common -o busybox busybox.o usage.o applets.o libbb.a |
| 07:50:37 | jacques | applets.o(.rodata+0x4): undefined reference to `test_main' |
| 07:50:39 | jacques | applets.o(.rodata+0x10): undefined reference to `adjtimex_main' |
| 07:50:40 | jacques | etc etc etc |
| 07:50:48 | jacques | lists pages of undefined reverences for that file |
| 07:52:16 | jacques | just did a mv linux .. ; make clean ; mv ../linux . ; make thing |
| 07:52:55 | andersee | There may have been stale busybox droppings from an earlier failed build.... |
| 07:53:07 | jacques | hmg |
| 07:53:27 | jacques | this time, even tho I have the new ldso/util/Makefile, it did not install uclibc in staging |
| 07:53:35 | jacques | last time I did a manual make install in uclibc |
| 07:53:51 | jacques | but I thoght that might ahve screwed something up so I did the make clean |
| 07:54:31 | jacques | I notice uclibc relinks every time I do a make |
| 07:54:37 | jacques | even if nothing has changed |
| 07:54:49 | jacques | might be correct behavior tho |
| 07:55:28 | andersee | Did you do a distclean? |
| 07:56:23 | jacques | OK |
| 07:56:32 | andersee | If so, you lost the uClibc update... |
| 07:56:37 | jacques | a rm -rf busybox made busynox build |
| 07:57:03 | jacques | only problem I am aware of now, is uclibc is not installing itself - I have to cd uClibc ; make install |
| 07:57:15 | jacques | nope, just a makde clean this time - not distclean this time |
| 07:57:24 | andersee | hmm. |
| 07:57:35 | andersee | I'm not seeing that one here. |
| 07:57:55 | jacques | OK, I got a -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 530520 Jan 30 23:59 tuxscreen-image.jffs2 |
| 07:57:57 | andersee | rm -rf staging_dir uClibc/lib |
| 07:58:10 | andersee | then try again and it should install uClibc.... |
| 07:58:27 | jacques | ok |
| 07:59:11 | jacques | tried that, but staging_dir is still empty |
| 07:59:19 | jacques | strange thing is no error messages I can see |
| 07:59:29 | jacques | and lik I said if I cd uClibc; make install, it intalls |
| 08:00:02 | andersee | that is so wierd. |
| 08:00:16 | jacques | :-\ |
| 08:00:26 | jacques | maybe my toolchain somehow? |
| 08:00:31 | jacques | tho it used to work fine |
| 08:00:39 | jacques | and I dont see any errors |
| 08:00:52 | andersee | dunno. What does ls -la uClibc/.??? show? |
| 08:01:20 | jacques | sigh I just did a manual make install there |
| 08:01:22 | andersee | Err. |
| 08:01:26 | andersee | ls -la uClibc/.???* |
| 08:02:01 | jacques | but how can it be toolchain if a manual make install works... |
| 08:02:35 | andersee | not the toolchain. Could be 'make' or some such though |
| 08:02:44 | andersee | What does |
| 08:02:46 | andersee | ls -la uClibc/.???* |
| 08:02:48 | andersee | show? |
| 08:03:09 | jacques | well I have to start again with a make clean because about 5 seconds before you asked that I had done a manual make install in uClibc |
| 08:03:24 | jacques | it's compiling uClibc now |
| 08:05:18 | jacques | ls -la uClibc/.???* |
| 08:05:18 | jacques | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Jan 31 00:06 uClibc/.built |
| 08:05:18 | jacques | -rw-r--r-- 1 601 users 120 Nov 17 17:52 uClibc/.cvsignore |
| 08:06:00 | jacques | this is a redhat 7.1 machine |
| 08:06:06 | jacques | GNU Make version 3.79.1, by Richard Stallman and Roland McGrath. |
| 08:08:00 | andersee | $ make -v | head -n 1 |
| 08:08:00 | andersee | GNU Make version 3.79.1, by Richard Stallman and Roland McGrath. |
| 08:08:00 | andersee | [andersen@dillweed buildroot-tux]$ ls -la uClibc/.???* |
| 08:08:01 | andersee | -rw-r--r-- 1 andersen andersen 0 Jan 31 00:27 uClibc/.built |
| 08:08:01 | andersee | -rw-r--r-- 1 andersen andersen 120 Nov 17 18:52 uClibc/.cvsignore |
| 08:08:01 | andersee | -rw-r--r-- 1 andersen andersen 0 Jan 31 00:27 uClibc/.installed |
| 08:08:03 | andersee | -rw-r--r-- 1 andersen andersen 0 Jan 31 00:27 uClibc/.installed_runtime |
| 08:08:31 | andersee | I wonder why you arn't getting the .installed and .installed_runtime stamps? |
| 08:08:35 | jacques | :-( |
| 08:08:42 | jacques | I'm doing everything as root if that matters |
| 08:09:09 | jacques | too bad there isn't a log of the build process |
| 08:09:30 | jacques | I would really like to know what it's thinking when it doesn't do the install of uClibc |
| 08:09:41 | andersee | why? |
| 08:09:44 | jacques | of course, it it's make that's screwing up, we may never know what it's thinking |
| 08:09:58 | jacques | why what? |
| 08:10:18 | andersee | Don't do this as root. I spent a long time hacking up jffs2 so you could do this all as a mere mortal. |
| 08:10:26 | andersee | :) |
| 08:10:45 | jacques | ok, I had been doing it as myself but heard that something broke and it had to be done as root |
| 08:11:45 | jacques | trying again after a make clean as myself |
| 08:11:57 | andersee | nonono. Do a chown -R <self>.<self> * first |
| 08:12:00 | jacques | trying again as myself after a make clean |
| 08:12:03 | jacques | yes, I did that |
| 08:12:05 | andersee | k |
| 08:12:06 | jacques | the chown |
| 08:12:07 | andersee | ? |
| 08:12:17 | andersee | k |
| 08:12:24 | jacques | so it's compiling uclibc |
| 08:13:54 | jacques | ok, no change from doing it as root |
| 08:14:00 | jacques | bserver% ls -la uClibc/.???* |
| 08:14:00 | jacques | -rw-r--r-- 1 fontenot fontenot 0 Jan 31 00:15 uClibc/.built |
| 08:14:00 | jacques | -rw-r--r-- 1 fontenot fontenot 120 Nov 17 17:52 uClibc/.cvsignore |
| 08:14:00 | jacques | b |
| 08:14:05 | andersee | Well, I've got to move on to other things for the evening... And you do have a workaround, however unplesent. |
| 08:14:07 | andersee | sigh |
| 08:14:17 | jacques | yeah this is strange |
| 08:14:27 | jacques | I wonder it it's only affecting me or only not affecting you |
| 08:14:50 | jacques | sample size of 2 == not good for diagnoses |
| 08:15:02 | jacques | I want to try building tinyx |
| 08:15:11 | andersee | k |
| 08:15:23 | andersee | night |
| 08:15:38 | jacques | later |
| 08:26:35 | Hiraghm | Hi! |
| 08:26:40 | Hiraghm | waves near everybody |
| 08:26:50 | | no idea, hiraghm |
| 08:26:50 | Hiraghm | ibot, how's the weather where you are? |
| 08:26:56 | Hiraghm | well, look out a window! |
| 08:32:58 | Hiraghm | pokes everybody |
| 08:33:08 | Hiraghm | anybody else experiencing nasty weather? |
| 08:36:21 | jacques | not I |
| 08:53:56 | Hiraghm | hm. nasty ice storm here |
| 09:01:41 | Sammy | Can't connect Wiki page ... |
| 10:03:48 | Sammy | BZFlag: can you see the WiKi page ? |
| 10:19:28 | fontenot | my stomach hurts |
| 10:33:58 | BZFlag | http://www.TuxScreen.net/ ? |
| 10:34:34 | BZFlag | works fine. If that works but http://TuxScreen.net/ does not, then your DNS cache is broken. |
| 10:49:19 | sjm_home | jacques: you around? |
| 11:02:11 | Sammy | BZFlag : it's OK now... |
| 11:19:01 | file | yes yes, hi |
| 12:29:44 | | fontenot: what? |
| 12:29:44 | fontenot | ibot: test |
| 15:26:45 | cpenugin_work | is back (gone 14:58:30) |
| 16:58:41 | andersee | morning all |
| 16:59:48 | CosmicPenguin | Morning andersee.... |
| 17:00:14 | CosmicPenguin | BTW: Did you ever try to send me the C++ beta, or did my mail server screw up? |
| 17:01:12 | andersee | I just fixed the uClibc setjmp bug for ARM, and rebuilt buildroot-tux and flashed it. Ahhh.... I can now hit ^C on a client app in ash without the shell being killed. :) |
| 17:01:39 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: nah, I havn't built an x86 toolchain yet... |
| 17:02:10 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: But I just fixed the last bug for the 0.9.9 release. |
| 17:02:30 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: So expect something Real Soon Now(tm) |
| 17:03:06 | SpaceCoaster | andersee: interested in a buildroot-tux uClibc build problem? |
| 17:03:33 | SpaceCoaster | Bareword "FILE" not allowed while "strict subs" in use at /home/derek/tuxscreen/buildroot-tux/sources/uClibc_config_fix.pl line 69. |
| 17:04:02 | CosmicPenguin | Hehehe |
| 17:06:01 | andersee | SpaceCoaster: put a '$' in front of FILE and try again.... |
| 17:06:49 | SpaceCoaster | Global symbol "$FILE" requires explicit package name at /home/derek/tuxscreen/buildroot-tux/sources/uClibc_config_fix.pl line 69. |
| 17:07:55 | andersee | SpaceCoaster: what is odd though, it shouldn't get there, since we are calling the thing with --file=foo |
| 17:09:27 | SpaceCoaster | andersee: I'll try adding a my($FILE); .. that fixed it, maybe... |
| 17:15:24 | SpaceCoaster | andersee: that fixed the compile but the stuff isn't being installed in the staging_dir so I get /bin/sh: /home/derek/tuxscreen/buildroot-tux/staging_dir/usr/bin/arm-uclibc-gcc: No such file or directory |
| 17:15:45 | andersee | SpaceCoaster: cvs up |
| 17:16:35 | MrSnazz | I was thinking of getting a tuxscreen - do I need any additional hardware to be able to load the flash? |
| 17:16:58 | andersee | MrSnazz: another computer... |
| 17:17:08 | MrSnazz | ahhh, ok, its an atmel. Gotcha, no problem ;) |
| 17:17:08 | holden | MrSnazz: a null modem cable |
| 17:17:16 | MrSnazz | thanks. |
| 17:19:12 | SpaceCoaster | andersee: thanks that fixed the compile issues, any ideas about the staging_dir? |
| 17:20:20 | andersee | The Makefile update should fix it. rm uClibc/.installed_runtime then do a make again... |
| 17:20:54 | SpaceCoaster | hmm, no better, sorry |
| 17:21:48 | andersee | rm uClibc/.installed and run make. that do it? |
| 17:22:27 | SpaceCoaster | I don't have a uClibc/.installed! |
| 17:24:20 | andersee | Hmm. Lets try something a bit more militant. rm -rf root staging_dir uClibc sources/dl/uClibc* |
| 17:25:09 | SpaceCoaster | when I remove .installed_runtime and run make the output contains |
| 17:25:09 | SpaceCoaster | make -C /home/derek/tuxscreen/buildroot-tux/uClibc PREFIX=/home/derek/tuxscreen/buildroot-tux/root DEVEL_PREFIX=/ install_runtime |
| 17:25:09 | SpaceCoaster | is the DEVEL_PREFIX correct? |
| 17:25:10 | SpaceCoaster | ok |
| 17:25:35 | andersee | yup |
| 17:25:52 | andersee | for the install runtime that is what we want |
| 17:27:32 | SpaceCoaster | It's getting uClibc-snapshot.tar.gz...compiling... |
| 17:30:18 | SpaceCoaster | same problem, I am running this as a regular user, not root, some folks suggested root would help, any ideas? |
| 17:30:59 | AlHazWork | are you using the netwinder toolchain? |
| 17:31:26 | SpaceCoaster | hmm, I noticed ln -s //lib/ld-uClibc-0.9.8.so /home/derek/tuxscreen/buildroot-tux/root/lib/ld-uClibc.so.0 |
| 17:32:47 | SpaceCoaster | AlHazWork: hi, it's 2.95.3 can't exactly remember who it came from, how do I tell? |
| 17:33:39 | andersee | SpaceCoaster: no, never run this as root. And slap folks that suggest it for me. :) |
| 17:34:02 | andersee | SpaceCoaster: I went to a lot of bother to rewrite mkfs.jffs2 to avoid ever needing to be root... |
| 17:34:46 | andersee | SpaceCoaster: ignore the link failure. You will notice the build didn't halt. Its just a convienience thing... |
| 17:35:00 | AlHazWork | SpaceCoaster: I've just heard that the netwinder toolchain can cause problems |
| 17:35:05 | SpaceCoaster | andersee: yeah, anyone who ever had a shell script produce rm -rf // because a variable wasn't set knows the truth of using root for development :-) |
| 17:35:06 | AlHazWork | or has been associated with problems |
| 17:35:23 | AlHazWork | I've been using the emdebian toolchain on some boxes and the lart toolchain on at least one |
| 17:35:54 | andersee | I'm using the emdebian toolchain here. Works for me... |
| 17:38:55 | SpaceCoaster | andersee: the make installed_runtime part, exits after ln: `/home/derek/tuxscreen/buildroot-tux/root/lib/ld-uClibc.so.0': File exists |
| 17:38:55 | SpaceCoaster | + true |
| 17:39:31 | SpaceCoaster | it doesn't install the arm-uclibc-* in the staging_dir |
| 17:41:05 | SpaceCoaster | GPSFan: hi, did you see those 2-way radios with GPS at garmin http://www.garmin.com/products/rino/ ? |
| 17:41:48 | SpaceCoaster | they can transmit location information between handsets, kinda cool. |
| 17:42:59 | GPSFan | SpaceCoaster: the Rino's are cool, I'm glad to see that feature, hopefully other FRS & GMRS mfgr's will adopt similar (compatible?) standards. |
| 17:44:21 | andersee | SpaceCoaster: the last command in the make installed_runtime part _is_ attempting to make that link. |
| 17:51:20 | scanline | is away: I'm busy |
| 17:51:23 | scanline | is back (gone 00:00:01) |
| 17:51:55 | SpaceCoaster | andersee: which bit should be installing the staging_dir stuff? |
| 17:53:32 | andersee | SpaceCoaster: The part that creates the uClibc/.installed_runtime file |
| 17:53:54 | andersee | That file is just a "this part is done" stamp |
| 17:55:37 | SpaceCoaster | I don't see where it copies/links the files across |
| 17:56:33 | andersee | SpaceCoaster: $(MAKE) -C $(UCLIBC_DIR) PREFIX=$(TARGET_DIR) DEVEL_PREFIX=/ install_runtime |
| 17:57:21 | andersee | SpaceCoaster: make install_runtime is supposed to be copying it to the target_dir (root) |
| 18:00:17 | SpaceCoaster | andersee: ok, but the install_runtime section in the uClibc Makefile just creates directories and copies .so files, no executables. |
| 18:01:53 | SpaceCoaster | the install_toolchain bit looks more promising but we don't run it. |
| 18:02:40 | andersee | SpaceCoaster: lets step back a moment. What is the problem? |
| 18:03:13 | andersee | Is the arm-uclibc-* toolchain missing from staging_dir? |
| 18:03:49 | SpaceCoaster | yes, the staging_dir is empty, no directories or files! |
| 18:05:02 | andersee | Ok. Then the problem is in buildroot-tux/Makefile lines 211-213 |
| 18:05:05 | andersee | rm -f $(UCLIBC_DIR)/.installed; \ |
| 18:05:05 | andersee | $(MAKE) -C $(UCLIBC_DIR) install; \ |
| 18:05:05 | andersee | touch $(UCLIBC_DIR)/.installed ; \ |
| 18:08:16 | andersee | well, I'm gonna go get some sleep for a bit |
| 18:08:23 | andersee | back later.... |
| 18:08:31 | SpaceCoaster | thanks for the help, see ya |
| 18:08:45 | andersee | SpaceCoaster: email me if you find any uClibc bugs, since I'm gonna try to cut a release this afternoon |
| 18:08:55 | andersee | needs to quit working all night |
| 18:30:14 | scanline | is away: class |
| 20:04:49 | scanline | is back (gone 01:34:35) |
| 20:04:56 | scanline | is away: Zzzz |
| 20:10:00 | CosmicPenguin | is away: Give me the sandwich, and nobody gets hurt |
| 20:18:48 | CosmicPenguin | is back (gone 00:08:48) |
| 21:29:15 | file | sings |
| 21:30:19 | CosmicPenguin | covers his ears |
| 21:31:20 | file | muahahahahaha |
| 21:32:33 | CosmicPenguin | Anyone know how to make GDB ignore signals? |
| 21:33:07 | file | no. |
| 21:54:52 | HamStar | hello |
| 21:55:14 | HamStar | when i tried to install the bootloader, and then restart, the phillips bootloader still comes up |
| 21:55:16 | HamStar | how do i fix it? |
| 21:57:49 | CosmicPenguin | Uhh... |
| 21:58:32 | CosmicPenguin | Did you unlock the flash? |
| 21:58:38 | HamStar | yes |
| 21:59:30 | AlHazWork | I'm guessing you missed a step |
| 21:59:34 | AlHazWork | try again |
| 21:59:43 | HamStar | i tried it twice |
| 21:59:58 | HamStar | i transferred at 9600, and the little bar at the bottom lookedlike it finished |
| 22:00:10 | HamStar | and the inferno thing said 'done' |
| 22:01:27 | HamStar | when i unflashed it, all the f's turned to 0's |
| 22:02:46 | sjm | morning all |
| 22:02:56 | CosmicPenguin | HamStar: Do the p/m again, just to make sure |
| 22:03:07 | CosmicPenguin | sjm: morning.. |
| 22:04:20 | sjm | I see buildroot has been fixed :) |
| 22:05:45 | sjm | Kudos go to andersee |
| 22:07:33 | HamStar | oooOOH |
| 22:07:36 | HamStar | some of them are 3's |
| 22:10:17 | HamStar | ok |
| 22:10:47 | HamStar | when i tried to flash the blob again, it says flash: 0-7fff: erasing/writing... flash: 0-7fff is protected |
| 22:15:59 | HamStar | the p/m results in a series of 3's before the 0's |
| 22:19:58 | HamStar | dude |
| 22:20:00 | HamStar | is ANYONE THERE?!!! |
| 22:20:52 | AlHazWork | I'm here, but i dunno what to tell you |
| 22:21:35 | HamStar | should i try unprotecting the flash again? |
| 22:23:09 | AlHazWork | yeah |
| 22:38:27 | HamStar | ok |
| 22:38:28 | HamStar | that was it |
| 22:38:32 | HamStar | i got the bootloader installed |
| 22:38:40 | HamStar | i can get to the blob menu |
| 22:38:43 | HamStar | from hyperterminal |
| 22:39:51 | CosmicPenguin | congratulations! :) |
| 22:40:30 | AlHazWork | beware that hyperterminal doesn't work well for uploading linux images |
| 22:41:15 | HamStar | it doesn't? |
| 22:41:21 | HamStar | what should i use instead of hyperterminal for uploading linux images? |
| 22:41:43 | AlHazWork | the most reliable method is still cat . . . |
| 22:41:48 | AlHazWork | on linux |
| 22:41:52 | AlHazWork | with minicom |
| 22:50:06 | CosmicPenguin | Whew - Ximian red carpet is cooking today! A whole 4 kb/s |
| 22:55:40 | file | ooh - digital camera for $26 USD |
| 22:55:58 | AlHazWork | one of those cheezy largan cameras, tho |
| 22:56:16 | file | downloads an example picture |
| 22:56:20 | file | http://www.compgeeks.com/drivers/miata.jpg |
| 22:56:45 | file | a digital camera might be nice |
| 22:57:56 | AlHazWork | yeah, and a cheezy one is better than nothing |
| 22:58:18 | file | ooh, here's one for $19.95 same one different color |
| 22:58:30 | file | oh it's a Largan |
| 22:58:43 | file | didn't notice that it was |
| 22:59:05 | AlHazWork | yeah, they're both largan. Not great, but they work |
| 22:59:13 | AlHazWork | heck, prolly lots better than an agfa eFrown |
| 22:59:15 | file | here's a Jamcam for #37 |
| 22:59:21 | file | er $37 |
| 23:00:36 | file | 24-bit True Color Image Quality |
| 23:00:36 | file | 2MB Internal Memory (NOT Expandable) |
| 23:00:41 | file | JPG compression format. |
| 23:00:57 | file | :| |
| 23:01:15 | file | AlHazWork: is it a deal for $19.95? |
| 23:01:28 | AlHazWork | file: Sure, I mean, heck, it's better than nothing |
| 23:01:36 | file | laughs |
| 23:01:43 | file | or I could get an MP3 player for $16.95 |
| 23:01:45 | file | er $26.95 |
| 23:02:31 | AlHazWork | I already spent money on toys. I have a $340 (2 years ago) digital camera . . . |
| 23:03:03 | AlHazWork | I'm considering getting another digital camera to keep in the car, just in case i really need to photograph something and don't happen to have my good camera on hand |
| 23:03:12 | file | uh huh |
| 23:03:47 | AlHazWork | something really cheap, probably |
| 23:03:52 | file | go get this then! |
| 23:04:17 | AlHazWork | actually I have an old panasonic camera that's just missing the interface cable |
| 23:04:29 | AlHazWork | so I'm patiently waiting for the accessories to show up on ebay or something |
| 23:04:57 | file | nods |
| 23:05:19 | file | hey, a REX PDA for $39.50 with cradle |
| 23:05:32 | AlHazWork | interesting camera. aluminum body, lcd, no optical viewfinder, weird bellybutton connector for the serial cable |
| 23:05:41 | AlHazWork | shirt-pocket small |
| 23:06:17 | AlHazWork | the CompUSA here was selling VTech Helio's for $30 a month or so back |
| 23:06:18 | file | neat |
| 23:06:32 | file | AlHazWork: I'm hoping to trade some of my... stuff... for one |
| 23:06:32 | AlHazWork | i decided i wouldn't use one except as a doorstop. Real shame. |
| 23:06:49 | AlHazWork | 75mhz mips cpu, but only 2 megs of flash or something |
| 23:06:55 | file | \yeah |
| 23:06:56 | file | er yeah |
| 23:07:22 | file | I wonder how much I can get a flatscreen monitor for on EBay |
| 23:07:35 | AlHazWork | few hundred bucks, probably |
| 23:07:39 | file | I've seen one go for like $35 |
| 23:07:57 | file | well for a couple hundred I could get one off of compgeeks |
| 23:10:08 | file | AlHazWork: what else should I look to get? |
| 23:12:42 | GPSFan | AlHazWork: been using my hardwired tux kbd since yesterday, and no missing char's. the wire is not too bad to deal with. |
| 23:16:42 | AlHazWork | file: heck, Idunno |
| 23:16:49 | AlHazWork | GPSFan: Cool |
| 23:17:10 | file | O |
| 23:17:10 | file | er |
| 23:17:15 | AlHazWork | GPSFan: I've been considering cannibalizing an old phone for the rj12 connectors and using another telephone handset cable for the hookup |
| 23:17:15 | file | I'm so tempted to get that camera |
| 23:17:48 | GPSFan | AlHazWork: BZFlag said ypu might have gotten an NE2000 NIC to work on your tux. I'm having problems with one and am looking for clues. |
| 23:17:53 | AlHazWork | file: The great thing about digital cameras, no matter how much they suck, is the low cost and ease of production |
| 23:17:58 | file | AlHazWork: aye. |
| 23:18:12 | AlHazWork | with a film camera, a bunch of your shots aren't going to come out, and you can calculate your loss in percentage of processing fees and film cost |
| 23:18:26 | | andersee was last seen on #tuxscreen 5 hours, 9 minutes and 31 seconds ago, saying: needs to quit working all night [Thu Jan 31 18:08:55 2002] |
| 23:18:26 | fontenot | ibot: seen andersee |
| 23:18:27 | AlHazWork | with a digital camera, especially with rechargable batteries, it doesn't come out to whole pennies |
| 23:18:48 | file | AlHazWork: plus you don't have to wait for developing, and you'll always have copies |
| 23:20:00 | AlHazWork | yup |
| 23:20:00 | AlHazWork | I know avid amateur photographers who have big cabinets full of photos they don't particularly like or need |
| 23:20:00 | AlHazWork | and don't even want tto think about what supplies and processing cost them |
| 23:20:23 | file | nods |
| 23:22:10 | file | can't beat the price |
| 23:22:14 | AlHazWork | yeah |
| 23:23:12 | file | doesn't Compgeeks accept money orders? |
| 23:23:37 | AlHazWork | don't know, I've always used my CC with them |
| 23:24:14 | file | hrms |
| 23:24:28 | file | LOL |
| 23:24:29 | file | Credit card number is invalid. |
| 23:24:29 | file | Payment Method is a required field. |
| 23:24:29 | file | Credit card expired. |
| 23:32:42 | CosmicPenguin | Hehe... I just got my rabbit with the big pointy teeth in the mail: http://www.entertainmentearth.com/prodinfo.asp?number=TYVMP005 |
| 23:36:55 | file | oh yes - I'm back |
| 23:37:10 | CosmicPenguin | staggers around office wearing rabbit on neck |
| 23:37:28 | SpaceCoaster | lol |
| 23:37:43 | file | CosmicPenguin: hrm, interesting |
| 23:37:47 | file | CosmicPenguin: fashion statement? |
| 23:38:33 | SpaceCoaster | file: you missed the url http://www.entertainmentearth.com/prodinfo.asp?number=TYVMP005 |
| 23:38:41 | file | what's 'dat? |
| 23:40:04 | file | what the heck?!?!?!?!?! |
| 23:40:30 | file | weird... weird |
| 23:41:07 | SpaceCoaster | file: killer rabbits, very monty python, holy grail etc. |
| 23:41:13 | file | uh huh |
| 23:43:19 | SpaceCoaster | possibly before your time, 1976? |
| 23:43:49 | file | yeah |
| 23:43:52 | file | was born in 1986 |
| 23:44:07 | sjm | Eeekk! |
| 23:44:15 | file | I'm young young young |
| 23:44:55 | SpaceCoaster | file: don't worry about that, just give it time :-) |
| 23:45:10 | file | hehe |
| 23:45:47 | file | hrms |
| 23:52:40 | CosmicPenguin | is surprised |
| 23:52:54 | file | uh why? |
| 23:52:56 | CosmicPenguin | I thought every US born geek knew all the words to Holy Grail |
| 23:53:18 | file | uh huh |
| 23:53:41 | SpaceCoaster | CosmicPenguin: apparently not brave Sir File. |
| 23:54:16 | AlHazWork | someone needs to sit the boy down and show him the movie |
| 23:54:30 | file | sure |
| 23:55:05 | SpaceCoaster | One day son all this will be yours. What the curtains? |
| 23:55:42 | AlHazWork | "The second one burned down, fell over, THEN sank into the swamp . . " |
| 23:56:50 | SpaceCoaster | young master file, get thee to a video store... |
| 23:57:16 | file | I don't have a card to rent video's |
| 23:57:16 | AlHazWork | "She's got hugee . . . . . tracts of land!" |
| 23:58:31 | SpaceCoaster | AlHazWork: Do you know that Life of Brian was R rated in the US? |
| 23:58:57 | AlHazWork | SpaceCoaster: Not without cause . . . |
| 23:59:11 | AlHazWork | "ARE YOU A VIRGIN?" "Well that's rather a personal question, innit?" |
| 23:59:33 | AlHazWork | SpaceCoaster: at least as i recall there were at least a few seconds of full frontal nudity |
| 23:59:42 | SpaceCoaster | "He offered me the known world he did..." |
