| 00:54:42 | scanline | is away: food(sorta) |
| 01:00:18 | | salut, mehuman |
| 01:00:18 | mehuman | hi |
| 01:35:28 | scanline | is back (gone 00:40:46) |
| 02:01:05 | file | BZFlag you there? |
| 02:02:12 | file | pokes BZFlag |
| 02:03:44 | Morn | is away: I'm busy |
| 02:03:58 | Morn | is back (gone 00:00:04) |
| 02:26:27 | Morn | is away: doing my thing |
| 02:29:35 | file | BZFLAG |
| 02:30:45 | BZFlag | file: what? |
| 02:30:53 | file | are you the one with an I-Opener? |
| 02:31:04 | BZFlag | I have one, yes. |
| 02:31:16 | file | still use it? |
| 02:31:53 | BZFlag | sometimes, yes. I need to do the serial port mod and then it will live on the digital piano. |
| 02:32:00 | file | neat |
| 02:32:12 | file | wants a new "toy" to play with and an I-Opener seems perfect |
| 02:32:33 | | I haven't seen 'the', BZFlag |
| 02:32:33 | BZFlag | seen the audrey? |
| 02:33:07 | file | yup |
| 02:33:24 | file | is gonna try to sell his Cybiko's and buy an I-Opener |
| 02:33:38 | file | I don't want an Audrey... I like the way the I-Opener looks better |
| 02:34:32 | BZFlag | I stuck an ide drive and a fan in mine. wish I could keep the drive but loose the fan. |
| 02:34:33 | file | BZFlag: How much do you think it'll cost me to get one? |
| 02:35:08 | BZFlag | http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?MfcISAPICommand=GetResult&ht=1&SortProperty=MetaEndSort&query=iopener |
| 02:35:17 | BZFlag | less that $100 should do. |
| 02:35:59 | file | ::nods:: |
| 02:36:34 | file | hrms |
| 02:37:22 | BZFlag | http://search-completed.ebay.com/search/search.dll?query=iopener&srchdesc=y&ht=1&combine=y&SortProperty=MetaEndSort <- completed sales |
| 02:37:29 | file | aye aye aye |
| 02:37:59 | file | http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1327842072 |
| 02:38:15 | GPSFan | BZFlag: I'm trying to get an NE2000 compatible PCMCIA card going, when I insert it I get eth0: pcnet_reset8390() did not complete, and in /var/log/messages there is an entry from cardmgr modprobe8390 that fails because there is no 8390.o. I thought that pcnet_cs driver was built into the kernel. Is ther something I'm not seeing? I have other ehternet cards working fine. |
| 02:38:34 | Hiraghm | Hi |
| 02:38:49 | file | hey Hiraghm |
| 02:39:45 | Hiraghm | hey file |
| 02:39:53 | BZFlag | ignore the failure to load messages. pcmcia modules are static at present. |
| 02:40:17 | BZFlag | the other is real. might try ... uh axnet? the other ne2k driver. |
| 02:40:32 | BZFlag | ask Alhaz when he's here. |
| 02:40:32 | Hiraghm | has no clue what BZFlag is talking about |
| 02:40:43 | BZFlag | Hiraghm: response to GPSFan |
| 02:40:49 | Hiraghm | oh. right |
| 02:40:50 | GPSFan | BZFlag: ok, thanks... |
| 02:45:46 | captain_proton | ok time for everyone to help fix my tux :) |
| 02:45:51 | captain_proton | i got my multimeter |
| 02:48:29 | captain_proton | anybody? |
| 02:49:42 | Hiraghm | it's broke? |
| 02:50:08 | captain_proton | i did the simplest possible 5v hack and now my keyboard & touchscreen don't work (they worked just after but stopped) |
| 02:50:46 | Hiraghm | oh, I know what happened |
| 02:51:01 | captain_proton | what?!?! |
| 02:51:14 | GPSFan | captain_proton: did you try removing the wire and rebooting? |
| 02:51:22 | captain_proton | and more importantly, how do i fix it |
| 02:51:30 | captain_proton | yes i removed the wires i soldered in |
| 02:51:54 | GPSFan | captain_proton: can you log in via the serial port? |
| 02:52:05 | captain_proton | i don't have linux nor a serial cable |
| 02:52:27 | captain_proton | Hiraghm: what happened? |
| 02:53:06 | GPSFan | captain_proton: that's the next step, get a serial cable, even to connect to a win machine (or dumb terminal. |
| 02:53:23 | captain_proton | no - i have a linux box, but no linux on the tux |
| 02:53:34 | captain_proton | GPSFan: do you know what happened? |
| 02:53:37 | mehuman | can the tuxscreen's screen be put on another computer running linux? |
| 02:53:48 | GPSFan | captain_proton: that's ok, blob should still talk to the serial port. |
| 02:53:54 | captain_proton | no blob either |
| 02:54:02 | captain_proton | still running inferno |
| 02:54:03 | GPSFan | captain_proton: I thought Hiraghm did... |
| 02:54:20 | captain_proton | Hiraghm seems to have stopped talking =/ |
| 02:55:02 | GPSFan | captain_proton: Inferno? ok, does it put up anything on the tux's screen? |
| 02:55:14 | captain_proton | yep - LCD works fine |
| 02:55:41 | GPSFan | captain_proton: ok, check the bat's on the keyboard, they die often. |
| 02:56:22 | GPSFan | captain_proton: when you put the tux back together, the touch panel cable isn't the easiest to re-connect. |
| 02:56:54 | captain_proton | solid 1.5 on both keyboard batteries |
| 02:57:01 | GPSFan | captain_proton: also check for broken wires on the IR sensor. |
| 02:57:32 | captain_proton | and i've tried many times putting the touchscreen cable back in |
| 02:57:34 | GPSFan | captain_proton: just running through the possible problems. |
| 02:57:43 | captain_proton | yeah - i appreciate it :) |
| 02:57:52 | captain_proton | no broken wires |
| 02:58:15 | GPSFan | captain_proton: maybe a splotch os solder dropped somewhere it shouldn't have. |
| 02:58:24 | GPSFan | s/os/of |
| 02:58:26 | captain_proton | i've looked for that |
| 02:58:28 | captain_proton | can't see anything |
| 02:58:43 | Hiraghm | doh, sorry was called afk |
| 02:58:49 | captain_proton | and i continuity tested where the resistors used to be - no problems there |
| 02:58:58 | Hiraghm | and I was wrong, anyway |
| 02:59:04 | GPSFan | captain_proton: did you manage to get the boards seperated? |
| 02:59:21 | captain_proton | yeah |
| 02:59:24 | captain_proton | wait let me check something |
| 03:02:51 | captain_proton | no no problem there |
| 03:04:09 | GPSFan | captain_proton: so after you did the mod you put the tux back together, and booted Infernal, the kbd & touch worked for a while then stopped? |
| 03:04:14 | captain_proton | yeah |
| 03:04:31 | captain_proton | at least the touch worked - i didn't check the keyboard at that point |
| 03:05:14 | GPSFan | captain_proton: it now boots Infernal, but no responce to the kbd or the touchpanel. |
| 03:05:29 | Morn | is away: reading |
| 03:08:36 | GPSFan | captain_proton: we can test the touchpanel if the Tux screen & top cover is off. |
| 03:08:55 | GPSFan | captain_proton: with your meter. |
| 03:10:04 | captain_proton | right |
| 03:10:05 | captain_proton | ok let me reattach this top board |
| 03:11:43 | captain_proton | ok ready |
| 03:13:17 | GPSFan | ok, put the screen down on a flat surface so you are looking at the back where the 4 contact pigtail is. |
| 03:13:35 | GPSFan | is your meter auto-ranging on ohms? |
| 03:14:07 | captain_proton | no its not |
| 03:14:24 | GPSFan | ok set it to 2k (or so) ohms scale |
| 03:14:33 | captain_proton | ok |
| 03:14:59 | GPSFan | now probe the 2 outer silver traces on the pigtail (onside is black one side silver) |
| 03:15:27 | GPSFan | you shoukd not get a reeding (ie, very high resistance.) |
| 03:15:39 | captain_proton | ok |
| 03:15:44 | captain_proton | no reading |
| 03:15:52 | GPSFan | do the same for the 2 inner silver traces. |
| 03:16:46 | captain_proton | no reading there either |
| 03:17:30 | GPSFan | so far so good, now for the tricky part , probe the 2 outer traces & touch the screen, you need three hands for this. ;>) |
| 03:18:12 | GPSFan | be careful if you put something under the screen,so as not to crack the LCD. |
| 03:18:29 | captain_proton | i have a nice piece of foam to put it on :) |
| 03:18:54 | GPSFan | I meant like an eraser to do the touching while you do the probing. |
| 03:21:22 | mehuman | has anyone inerfaced the screen to a regular pc? |
| 03:21:36 | GPSFan | you should get a reading, don't worry what it is. |
| 03:22:11 | captain_proton | this is hard with only 2 hands =) |
| 03:22:34 | GPSFan | as I said, it takes three ;>) |
| 03:23:15 | GPSFan | try holding the probes like chopsticks. |
| 03:24:15 | captain_proton | ok getting a reading |
| 03:25:14 | GPSFan | now for the real tricky part, repeat for the inner 2 traces. |
| 03:25:50 | captain_proton | getting a reading there too |
| 03:26:20 | GPSFan | good the electrical part of the tp is functional. |
| 03:27:08 | GPSFan | now on the the board. You know that to put the pigtail into the connector you need to pull up on the connector body to dis-engage the lock? |
| 03:27:32 | captain_proton | yes |
| 03:28:16 | GPSFan | ok, put the pigtail in the connector without the top cover on the tux, just the display & tp. |
| 03:28:23 | captain_proton | ok |
| 03:29:50 | GPSFan | repeat the ohm's chheck but between the top of C383 & C386 for the outer & C384 &C385 for the inner. |
| 03:32:44 | captain_proton | not getting a reading there |
| 03:33:42 | GPSFan | ah, you should. |
| 03:33:56 | GPSFan | when touching the panel. |
| 03:34:13 | captain_proton | maybe i'm just being clumsy w/ the probes |
| 03:34:15 | captain_proton | let me try again |
| 03:34:48 | GPSFan | those cap's are aweful tiny |
| 03:36:44 | GPSFan | just tried it on mine and you should get a reading when touching the panel. |
| 03:37:51 | captain_proton | no reading |
| 03:39:58 | GPSFan | the pigtail can be inserted either way into the connector and make contact, try reversing it. |
| 03:41:03 | GPSFan | and make sure you push the connector body down while pushing the pigtail into the connector body. |
| 03:41:40 | captain_proton | no |
| 03:42:08 | GPSFan | for both pairs? |
| 03:42:24 | captain_proton | right |
| 03:43:24 | GPSFan | hmm. well those are the connections to the tp controller, if you don't have readings, neither will the controller. |
| 03:44:01 | captain_proton | ok... |
| 03:44:26 | captain_proton | the pigtail connects with the pins on the bottom, right? |
| 03:45:35 | GPSFan | I think so, the connector has contacts on both sides, so it will electrically connect either way, but one way the sense of the touches will be backwards. |
| 03:48:27 | captain_proton | if the bottom of it got beat up, would that cause the problem? |
| 03:49:26 | fontenot | hmm |
| 03:49:31 | fontenot | i just got some new CF |
| 03:49:45 | fontenot | it claims 1,000,000 erase cycle instead of the usual 100,000 |
| 03:49:46 | GPSFan | could be, if you are real careful, you can remove the top of the connector body. |
| 03:49:57 | captain_proton | huh? |
| 03:51:29 | GPSFan | on the side of the connector away from the J302 label if you pull up, on the top of the connector, you will see 2 little tabs that engage detents on the fixed part of the connector. |
| 03:52:36 | captain_proton | you mean separate the 2 halves of the connector? |
| 03:52:46 | GPSFan | if you dis-engage those the top part of the connector will come off. then you can see the contacts inside. |
| 03:52:56 | captain_proton | ok |
| 03:53:11 | GPSFan | and ring them out to the cap's |
| 03:53:28 | captain_proton | ring them out to the caps? huh? |
| 03:53:52 | captain_proton | you mean continuity test |
| 03:53:54 | captain_proton | ? |
| 03:54:06 | GPSFan | yes. sorry |
| 03:54:28 | GPSFan | ring out=== buzz out===continuity |
| 03:54:34 | captain_proton | all continuous |
| 03:55:35 | GPSFan | ok, then it is a matter of the pigtail being properly inserted and the connector body closing to lock the pigtail in. |
| 03:55:49 | captain_proton | i've tried reinserting it many times |
| 03:56:09 | captain_proton | the very end of the pigtail looks a little beat up - let me shave off a bit and try it |
| 03:56:29 | GPSFan | that might help. |
| 03:58:57 | GPSFan | there also could be something in the bottom of the connector preventing the pigtail from being fully inserted. |
| 03:59:33 | captain_proton | hmm that didn't work |
| 03:59:40 | captain_proton | i have to go - we'll finish this later? |
| 03:59:50 | GPSFan | good luck. |
| 04:10:18 | Hiraghm | waves near CosmicPenguin |
| 04:10:24 | Hiraghm | waves near Keyser |
| 04:10:29 | Hiraghm | waves near Sophie |
| 04:11:43 | CosmicPenguin | ducks |
| 04:14:26 | Morn | didn't get a wave... |
| 04:14:28 | Morn | frowns |
| 04:15:25 | BZFlag | waves at Morn |
| 04:15:30 | CosmicPenguin | Ugh... ugly morning commute coming |
| 04:16:00 | Morn | smiles again. |
| 04:16:10 | Morn | likes here 5 foot commute |
| 04:16:20 | Morn | here==her |
| 04:16:37 | CosmicPenguin | would like to get a job with a 5 foot commute |
| 04:17:08 | Hiraghm | hopes to get such a job |
| 04:17:15 | Morn | get on disability and then start your own business |
| 04:18:30 | mehuman | is away: I'm busy |
| 04:18:36 | CosmicPenguin | Unfortunately, I have lots of people who want my services, the only problem is that my company got to them first |
| 04:19:14 | Morn | CosmicPenguin: I've worked as a consultant my whole career |
| 04:19:18 | Morn | short as that was |
| 04:19:27 | CosmicPenguin | Morn: I remain convinced thats the way to be |
| 04:19:30 | CosmicPenguin | someday... |
| 04:19:36 | CosmicPenguin | looks longingly into the distance |
| 04:19:38 | Hiraghm | I'm hoping to start my own business |
| 04:20:02 | Hiraghm | doing 3D graphics work. |
| 04:20:06 | Morn | Hiraghm: If I could focus on just the programming I'd be happy, but I have to deal with the administrative stuff too |
| 04:20:09 | Morn | drives me nuts |
| 04:20:21 | Morn | and it's not a far drive either! |
| 04:21:04 | CosmicPenguin | I might do a few days of telecommuting here in a couple of weeks, though... |
| 04:21:37 | CosmicPenguin | cute... the olympic torch was carried through Yellowstone on a dog sled... |
| 04:36:20 | fontenot | sigh |
| 04:36:37 | fontenot | now uclibc compilation is broken in addition to the other buildroot-tux problems |
| 04:39:32 | lfjewett | I noticed that tonight too |
| 04:39:37 | lfjewett | couldn't build uclibc |
| 04:39:43 | CosmicPenguin | why not? |
| 04:39:59 | Morn | is away: crashing, burning and dreaming in code... |
| 04:40:09 | fontenot | arm-linux-gcc -e _dl_boot -nostdlib -shared --warn-common --export-dynamic --warn-once -z combreloc --sort-common --discard-locals --discard-all -s -o ld-uClibc-0.9.8.so \ |
| 04:40:09 | fontenot | -Wl,-soname=ld-uClibc.so.0 arm/resolve.o ldso.o |
| 04:40:09 | fontenot | arm-linux-gcc: combreloc: No such file or directory |
| 04:40:09 | fontenot | make[3]: *** [lib] Error 1 |
| 04:40:09 | fontenot | make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/packages/tuxscreen/buildroot-tux/uClibc/ldso/ldso' |
| 04:40:33 | fontenot | it is assuming gcc 3 now or something? |
| 04:40:41 | CosmicPenguin | No... |
| 04:40:53 | CosmicPenguin | This is the snapshot, downloaded today? |
| 04:41:30 | lfjewett | I got mine from CVS today yes. |
| 04:42:14 | CosmicPenguin | Ugh.. |
| 04:42:39 | fontenot | CosmicPenguin: yes, snap downloaded a few minutes ago by buildroot-tux |
| 04:43:07 | CosmicPenguin | lfjewett: I probably wouldn't trust CVS... |
| 04:43:45 | CosmicPenguin | andersee has been adding lots of fun new functionality lately |
| 04:43:46 | fontenot | me neither, but that's not what I'm doing |
| 04:44:00 | | andersee was last seen on #tuxscreen 18 hours, 14 minutes and 37 seconds ago, saying: night [Sun Jan 27 10:29:23 2002] |
| 04:44:00 | fontenot | ibot: seen andersee |
| 04:44:25 | CosmicPenguin | fontenot: uclibc_snapshot.tar.gz is exactly that |
| 04:44:45 | lfjewett | I wasn't sure Cosmic.. I have a buildroot from DEC that I'm using thought I'd try a fresh one.. still have the Dec one in tact. |
| 04:44:59 | fontenot | CosmicPenguin: my point is, I am using buildroot-tux - it's supposed to work. |
| 04:45:31 | CosmicPenguin | fontenot: buildroot-tux is just a script... |
| 04:45:45 | fontenot | CosmicPenguin: ok, now you;re being difficult |
| 04:45:54 | CosmicPenguin | So if it downloads uclibc-snapshot.tar.gz, and some bot takes broken code from CVS and tars it up, you will see these types of errors |
| 04:46:33 | fontenot | buildroot is getting more and more broken |
| 04:48:17 | BZFlag | buildroot needs to be fixed to use dates on all downloads not snapshots. |
| 04:48:31 | jacques | yes! |
| 04:48:40 | BZFlag | but not temp dates like the mtd stuff that get deleted after a while. |
| 04:48:55 | BZFlag | should do a cvs checkout with a known working date. |
| 04:48:59 | jacques | we need some version of buildroot that works |
| 04:49:11 | BZFlag | that would be nice, huh? ;-/ |
| 04:49:18 | jacques | :-) |
| 04:49:23 | jacques | it would make me happy again |
| 04:49:50 | jacques | I'm currently cvsup'ing xfree 4.2 |
| 04:49:53 | BZFlag | next time I get back to it I'll fix that and change blob over to jffs2-blob. |
| 04:49:59 | jacques | ooooh |
| 04:50:06 | jacques | cant wait for jffs2-blib |
| 04:50:12 | jacques | sweet |
| 04:50:16 | BZFlag | will be a few weeks till I get to it though. |
| 04:50:34 | jacques | ok I wont get my hopes up |
| 04:50:35 | BZFlag | 128k blob, 4M-128k for rootfs, kernel all modular. |
| 04:50:53 | jacques | very sweet |
| 04:51:15 | BZFlag | it's possible that openzaurus will get there first. then I just add the right kernel patch. |
| 04:51:25 | jacques | BZFlag: I tried that xfree ts patch from the wiki and it works |
| 04:51:33 | jacques | BZFlag: only problem is no calibration yet |
| 04:51:43 | BZFlag | sweet. every little bit counts. |
| 04:51:58 | jacques | yes, definitely |
| 04:52:14 | jacques | we just need a calib app for x |
| 04:52:25 | jacques | I am thinking of adapting one of the ipaq ones |
| 04:52:34 | BZFlag | should work. |
| 04:52:44 | jacques | making it write to a file, since new ts driver does not use proc |
| 04:52:46 | CosmicPenguin | jacques: Try this - download uclibc-0.9.8.tar.gz and uclibc-snapshot.tar.gz from http://uclibc.org/downloads/ and MD5 em |
| 04:54:24 | jacques | CosmicPenguin: ok, it's a bit slow since xfree cvsup is still going |
| 04:54:53 | jacques | new ts driver definitely seems a step backwards in that respect - no /proc calib |
| 04:54:54 | CosmicPenguin | jacques: Maybe it would help if I got off my ass and actually updated my buildroot from early Nevember, huh? |
| 04:55:18 | jacques | CosmicPenguin: Heh, I have some old ones too - they still work, but I want to stay current |
| 04:55:30 | jacques | I'm having to use an old one to compile xfree |
| 04:56:13 | jacques | CosmicPenguin: dont delete your old buildroot - rename it |
| 04:56:22 | jacques | CosmicPenguin: you may be sorry otherwise :-) |
| 04:56:57 | jacques | BTW, I got some new 128MB CF cards tonight from Fry's |
| 04:57:07 | jacques | made by bsamedia - $42 |
| 04:57:27 | jacques | they claim 1,000,000 erase cycles instead of the usual 100,000 |
| 04:57:45 | jacques | also, they are hdparming faster than my 4x Lexar Media 128MB cards |
| 04:58:11 | jacques | CosmicPenguin: did you want this: |
| 04:58:14 | jacques | jacques% md5sum uClibc-0.9.8.tar.gz uClibc-snapshot.tar.gz |
| 04:58:14 | jacques | 1a2d1936787759f88e9cb8d49b0170b3 uClibc-0.9.8.tar.gz |
| 04:58:14 | jacques | dd22c684d93f146e941b7a85bc4f10de uClibc-snapshot.tar.gz |
| 04:59:36 | CosmicPenguin | So the snapshot has changed |
| 05:02:27 | lfjewett | Does anybody know of a good Serial Library for C that will compile on the tux? |
| 05:03:22 | BZFlag | snapshot changes daily |
| 05:06:36 | CosmicPenguin | Especially lately |
| 05:07:31 | jacques | heh, well if andersee is adding threads and C++ support, all is forgiven |
| 05:17:27 | jacques | hmg |
| 05:17:41 | jacques | erik claims to have fixed the problem I am seeing |
| 05:17:43 | jacques | http://uclibc.org/lists/uclibc/2002-January/004719.html |
| 05:17:47 | jacques | but it's not fixed |
| 05:21:49 | CosmicPenguin | jacques: Did you try the 0.98 tarball instead? |
| 05:22:36 | jacques | CosmicPenguin: no |
| 05:23:33 | jacques | trying now |
| 05:26:03 | jacques | ok uclibc built |
| 05:26:09 | jacques | patch still not applying to busybox |
| 05:26:24 | jacques | did another 'make' to see how far it will get |
| 05:26:53 | jacques | wow |
| 05:26:59 | jacques | it got farther than it has in weeks |
| 05:27:06 | jacques | it actually populated the staging dir |
| 05:27:25 | CosmicPenguin | jacques: Yeah, the busybox patch was dead at birth for some reason |
| 05:27:32 | jacques | now it's looping trying to get tinylogin |
| 05:27:45 | jacques | Connecting to tinylogin.lineo.com:80... connected! |
| 05:27:46 | jacques | HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found |
| 05:27:46 | jacques | 21:27:00 ERROR 404: Not Found. |
| 05:27:51 | jacques | over and over and over... |
| 05:28:35 | jacques | using old version from mov 30 |
| 05:28:38 | jacques | Nov 30 |
| 05:30:49 | jacques | wow, it completed! |
| 05:31:03 | jacques | (note - I havent tried either of the GUI builds) |
| 05:32:46 | jacques | hmm, does buildroot no longer build blob? |
| 05:32:58 | jacques | i guess not |
| 05:34:40 | jacques | it probably shouldnt anyway |
| 05:39:52 | BZFlag | make blob should. but as always jtag recommended for diy bootloaders. |
| 05:44:38 | jacques | yeah |
| 05:44:54 | jacques | I've never used a blob built by buildroot |
| 09:56:12 | scanline | is away: ZzZzZzZzzzzzzzzzzzzz |
| 12:12:22 | Morn | is back (gone 07:32:23) |
| 13:22:25 | Morn | is away: in the shower, no peeking |
| 14:14:04 | Morn | is back (gone 00:51:38) |
| 15:40:15 | prpplague | morning Morn |
| 15:49:37 | Morn | is away: doing something useful.. |
| 15:53:11 | prpplague | Morn: cooking or coding? |
| 15:53:19 | Morn | neither |
| 15:53:26 | Morn | trying to get linux on my laptop again |
| 15:53:30 | prpplague | doh |
| 15:53:31 | Morn | before I go to Linux Expo |
| 15:53:54 | prpplague | Morn: you bumm, i didn't get to go to the NY show |
| 15:54:07 | Morn | I live just north of the city |
| 15:55:12 | Morn | I'm wearing my Linux Expo '97 t-shirt today |
| 15:55:19 | Morn | with the penquin 'exposing' himself |
| 15:55:28 | prpplague | Morn: be sure and check out the LTSP booth and harras the guys there..... |
| 15:57:40 | Morn | I will |
| 15:57:56 | Morn | I'm hoping to see everyone again this year |
| 15:58:06 | Morn | last year I met some of the folks from PostgreSQL |
| 15:58:15 | Morn | and they were like "So YOUR Julia Case!" |
| 15:58:21 | Morn | I nearly fell down laughing |
| 15:58:34 | Morn | it'll be nice seeing them again now that I am 65lbs lighter |
| 16:01:36 | Morn | Hi Jordan |
| 16:01:40 | CosmicPenguin | Good morning |
| 16:27:21 | prpplague | Morn: btw, i got a couple of drives tested for you, i'll see about sending them to you soon |
| 16:27:43 | Morn | cool |
| 16:27:45 | Morn | that's great |
| 16:27:57 | Morn | let me know and I'll get you the shipping address |
| 16:28:07 | Morn | and we'll figure out something for me to pay the shipping |
| 17:02:47 | prpplague | wahoo, servers down in grand cayman, looks like a service call......... |
| 17:06:46 | CosmicPenguin | watches the snow fall outside |
| 17:07:05 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: Sometimes I envy you. Even if they don't let you out of the server room, at least its warm when you walk to the airport |
| 17:07:42 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: lol, ya well i know all the great airport bars........ |
| 17:08:26 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: think i could get a few extra days out of by telling that their flux capacitor isn't fluxing? |
| 17:09:44 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: Sure... tell them you need seawater to get it going |
| 17:11:18 | prpplague | lol |
| 17:35:43 | mrwall | yo |
| 17:35:51 | CosmicPenguin | mrwall: whats going on? |
| 17:36:00 | mrwall | not much, u? |
| 17:36:26 | CosmicPenguin | nah - just compiling C++ programs - my favorite past time |
| 17:36:37 | CosmicPenguin | sees his sarcasm detector beep |
| 17:36:42 | mrwall | :) |
| 17:37:31 | mrwall | shoots captain_proton |
| 17:37:42 | captain_proton | thanks |
| 17:37:47 | mrwall | ur welcome :) |
| 17:38:03 | mrwall | hoeps u not an IRCop or somethin :] |
| 17:41:52 | AlHazWork | it's customary to spell "you" here. |
| 17:42:31 | mrwall | sowwy! |
| 17:42:31 | mrwall | you know, I didn't know that you have to do that :) |
| 17:42:31 | mrwall | you see? :) |
| 18:02:46 | Morn | Hi Sophie |
| 18:33:59 | holden | CosmicPenguin: Thanks to your suggestion I've finally managed to get buildroot to produce a working ramdisk (I just booted it on my TuxScreen). |
| 18:37:44 | CosmicPenguin | holden: Good news! |
| 18:44:11 | CosmicPenguin | holden: Back when andersee was first developing the buildroot, it made sense to link to the snapshot tarball, because only fixes were going in |
| 18:44:36 | CosmicPenguin | now that uClibc development has started again, thats probably not the best policy |
| 18:45:10 | holden | CosmicPenguin: I'm still confused about why the snapshot worked when built manually but not when built as part of the buildroot system. |
| 18:52:39 | CosmicPenguin | holden: I'm not sure about that, but I'll bet andersee knows why |
| 18:55:45 | holden | CosmicPenguin: Have you been working on an new Nano-X UCB1200 touchscreen driver? |
| 18:56:29 | CosmicPenguin | holden: No, but this morning I promised myself I would |
| 18:56:43 | CosmicPenguin | After all, we need to keep up with jacques_gone... :) |
| 18:59:36 | holden | CosmicPenguin: I'll have a go at it myself and let you know how I get on. Is jaques_gone working on tinyx? |
| 19:02:26 | CosmicPenguin | holden: yep - he got touchscreen stuff working, now he just needs to add calibration |
| 19:03:19 | CosmicPenguin | holden: The UCB1200 driver is used for several different devices in Microwindows, so when we get a new driver we should add it to the current tree |
| 19:03:54 | CosmicPenguin | holden: Also, we need to hash out some generic way to handle client side calibration in Microwindows - because we now have at least 3 devices that depend on it |
| 19:04:02 | CosmicPenguin | holden: and BTW, tscal() is not the answer (I hate that thing) |
| 19:04:39 | holden | CosmicPenguin: What's tscal()? |
| 19:04:55 | CosmicPenguin | Sorry, tscal - its the calibrator in microwin/src/contrib/GPL |
| 19:05:28 | CosmicPenguin | Written for the helio I believe |
| 19:05:30 | SpaceCoaster | CosmicPenguin: hi, anyone used rmk's tslib? |
| 19:05:48 | CosmicPenguin | SpaceCoaster: I haven't but either holden or I will very shortly, I will suppose |
| 19:06:10 | CosmicPenguin | That is, until the TS format changes *again* very soon... :( |
| 19:06:16 | holden | SpaceCoaster: Am looking at the source right this moment, but haven't actually used it yet. |
| 19:06:37 | SpaceCoaster | goody, just about to get back into things myself, trying a current buildroot etc. |
| 19:07:57 | CosmicPenguin | SpaceCoaster: current buildroot is brokenish... |
| 19:08:06 | holden | SpaceCoaster: I've just managed to do that. You'll need to modify the top level Makefile to download uClibc-0.9.8.tar.gz instead of uClibc-snapshot.tar.gz because the current CVS seems to be broken. You also have to run the build as root for some reason (not sure why, but the build failed when I tried as an ordinary user). |
| 19:09:04 | SpaceCoaster | holden, CosmicPenguin: thanks, your progress made me think of trying it quickly before it got really broke again! |
| 20:15:22 | holden | I have a 3com 3CCE589ET PCMCIA ethernet card here that I want to use with my TuxScreen. I assume I'll need to modify the PCMCIA slot for 5V- is there a blow by blow account of how to do this anywhere or do I have to figure it out for myself? Also, has anyone else managed to get this card working with the TuxScreen? |
| 20:39:10 | captain_proton | hey BZFlag - don't suppose you have any links on keyboard inputs for wearables? |
| 20:48:05 | BZFlag | http://www.tifaq.com/keyboards/related-links.html |
| 20:48:09 | AlHazWork | holden: No reason it shouldn't work with the right driver. There's 5v mod info on the wiki - andersee did it at 11:30pm with no prior planning so it can't be all that hard |
| 20:51:46 | holden | AlHazWork: Do you mean the schematic for a 5V/3.3V autosensing switch? Or the Lucent one at http://erire.com/eshan/ (which seems to be a broken link)? |
| 20:52:14 | AlHazWork | the eshan thing is crude, and mirrored if you really wanted it |
| 20:52:16 | AlHazWork | hold on |
| 20:53:46 | holden | AlHazWork: I don't seem to be able to find any modification instructions in the Wiki itself. That thing is like a maze to find your way around... |
| 20:53:55 | AlHazWork | holden: I guess what i mean is the drawing at http://www.tuxscreen.net/wiki/view//PCMCIA-5V |
| 20:54:01 | AlHazWork | which is pretty straightforward |
| 20:54:10 | AlHazWork | holden: that's why there's a search link in the upper right hand corner |
| 20:55:47 | holden | AlHazWork: "The requested URL /wiki/view/PCMCIA-5V was not found on this server." |
| 20:56:04 | AlHazWork | holden: How odd, I'm there right now |
| 20:56:26 | AlHazWork | make sure there's not a trailing slash |
| 20:57:02 | holden | AlHazWork: What search term did you use? I used PCMCIA and it gave me a different page about PCMCIA. |
| 20:57:16 | AlHazWork | holden: I searched for 5v |
| 20:58:16 | AlHazWork | if your browser is inserting a / at the end of the url that'll break the wiki pretty deftly . . . |
| 20:58:18 | holden | AlHazWork: Ok, that found it. |
| 21:10:44 | holden | Are 3.3V cards 5V tolerant? Ie. if I hard wire a socket to 5V and accidentally plug a 3.3V card into it, will it burn out? |
| 21:15:34 | SpaceCoaster | holden: did you get problems with arm-uclibc-gcc: No such file or directory messages? |
| 21:17:08 | holden | SpaceCoaster: I think I got something like that when I tried building as an ordinary user. Building as root fixed that. |
| 21:21:16 | holden | Found this with Google: "APPLYING +5V TO CARDS DESIGNED TO OPERATE ONLY FROM +3.3V MAY PERMANENTLY DAMAGE THEM.". Hmm, better be very careful with the 5V hack and 3.3V cards then. |
| 21:21:47 | AlHazWork | yep |
| 22:35:06 | scanline | is back (gone 12:38:55) |
| 23:09:37 | | hello, Hiraghm |
| 23:09:37 | Hiraghm | Hi |
| 23:10:13 | Hiraghm | http://www.linuxgames.com/ |
| 23:10:30 | Hiraghm | Borland C++ Builder for Linux |
| 23:30:46 | Hiraghm | waves near everyone |
| 23:34:36 | AlHazWork | Evenin |
| 23:38:24 | | privet, Hiraghm |
| 23:38:24 | Hiraghm | Hi |
| 23:38:37 | Hiraghm | http://www.linuxgames.com/ |
| 23:38:44 | Hiraghm | Borland C++ Builder for Linux |
| 23:38:47 | Hiraghm | nods |
| 23:39:03 | Hiraghm | a nickel says there'll be an arm object-code version |
| 23:39:46 | Hiraghm | or, in english, it'll put out executables for arm-based machines |
| 23:39:57 | Hiraghm | as well as insmell |
| 23:39:59 | Hiraghm | err, intel |
| 23:40:20 | CosmicPenguin | I take solace in two facts: |
| 23:40:24 | file | growls |
| 23:40:41 | file | I'm rewriting a proprietary operating system into using Linux-like system calls, god help me |
| 23:40:54 | CosmicPenguin | 1) - Ever since Borland claimed that they had better performance than GCC, the GNU folks will take it personally and make it their mission to improve GCC |
| 23:41:14 | CosmicPenguin | 2) - Borland won't be able to update as quickly as GCC |
| 23:41:37 | CosmicPenguin | file: Ah, it can't be *that* bad... :) |
| 23:41:41 | Hiraghm | 3) you'll probably be able to use the IDE with the GCC compiler |
| 23:41:47 | file | haha |
| 23:42:02 | file | the compiler sucks, the newer versions won't compile my code |
| 23:42:15 | CosmicPenguin | Hiraghm: IDE and GCC are not complimentary things |
| 23:42:17 | file | and I dunno whether to use a dynamic library or not |
| 23:42:21 | Hiraghm | would even pay money for a KDevelop or VC++ IDE for Irix |
| 23:42:31 | CosmicPenguin | The IDE is for the GUI, but the compiler is not nessesarly compliing a GUI application |
| 23:42:32 | Hiraghm | (just not that much) |
| 23:42:42 | Hiraghm | CP I know this |
| 23:42:52 | CosmicPenguin | But the Borland IDE makes that distinction |
| 23:42:58 | CosmicPenguin | or rather, it doesn't. |
| 23:43:33 | CosmicPenguin | So compiling a kernel built for gcc and vim will be annoying on the Borland IDE IMHO |
| 23:43:56 | file | sneezes |
| 23:44:13 | Hiraghm | hm. I dunno. I used to use Visual C's IDE to compile Epoc and Pilot apps |
| 23:44:27 | file | sneezes again |
| 23:44:34 | Hiraghm | gezhundheit, file |
| 23:44:39 | file | thanks... |
| 23:44:57 | AlHazWork | Back in the day, when GCC first came out, it changed the industry |
| 23:44:57 | Hiraghm | I like KDevelop a lot, except for its tie-in to QT. |
| 23:45:05 | AlHazWork | 'cause your compiler had to be at LEAST as good as gcc |
| 23:45:36 | Hiraghm | Al, I know; long ago I used to sneer at GCC because it was freeware. Then I started using it. |
| 23:45:57 | AlHazWork | Metrowerks used to pester us to use their compilers instead of GCC |
| 23:46:20 | AlHazWork | finally someone took the time to explain to them, in detail, how much they'd have to change about their compilers before they could build vim |
| 23:46:25 | AlHazWork | let alone the kernel |
| 23:46:27 | AlHazWork | etc |
| 23:46:31 | file | there's nothing wrong with GCC... except 3.* |
| 23:46:38 | AlHazWork | actualyl, not even vim. elvis-tiny. |
| 23:47:01 | AlHazWork | file: and there's that renegade cvs snapshot turned fork that calls itself 2.96 |
| 23:47:18 | Hiraghm | anybody use KDevelop, now that I'm thinking about it? |
| 23:47:18 | file | laughs |
| 23:47:41 | file | I use 2.95.2 |
| 23:47:45 | file | of GCC |
| 23:47:52 | file | never touched KDevelop... |
| 23:51:22 | file | yawns |
| 23:51:41 | file | The grass is always greener on the other side, ok? |
| 23:52:05 | scanline | is away: food(sorta) |