| 00:08:59 | captain_proton | to unlock the flash, do I just have to unlock partition 0? |
| 00:13:03 | captain_proton | anybody here? |
| 00:36:12 | captain_proton | hello? |
| 00:41:55 | captain_proton | oh well - here I go! |
| 00:45:50 | captain_proton | huh...i did P/u 0, then hooked up +12v |
| 00:46:00 | captain_proton | but the map still says they're locked |
| 00:46:23 | captain_proton | any clues? |
| 00:46:30 | GPSFan | captain_proton: did you get the 12V detected message? |
| 00:46:34 | captain_proton | yes |
| 00:46:48 | captain_proton | should I try again? |
| 00:47:06 | GPSFan | are they all locked? it takes several tries, sometimes. |
| 00:47:11 | captain_proton | not all |
| 00:47:25 | GPSFan | try, try,try again... |
| 00:47:43 | captain_proton | map #'s 1, and 3-9 are locked |
| 00:47:54 | GPSFan | My second tux took about 10 tries before they were all unlocked. |
| 00:48:29 | captain_proton | got it :) |
| 00:48:37 | GPSFan | :>) |
| 00:49:21 | GPSFan | captain_proton: are you going to blob it now? |
| 00:49:53 | captain_proton | i would if i had a serial cable =P |
| 00:50:21 | GPSFan | ah, more fun for later... |
| 00:50:41 | captain_proton | i'm thinking until i can pick one up, i'll busy myself with the 5v pcmcia hack |
| 00:51:25 | captain_proton | well, i would if tuxscreen.net weren't down |
| 00:51:32 | GPSFan | ok, that's about 5 minutes if you choose the ultra simple, 5V only/always route. |
| 00:52:05 | GPSFan | tuxscreen.net is ok form here. |
| 00:52:50 | GPSFan | s/form/from |
| 00:53:37 | scanline | is away: food |
| 00:54:07 | captain_proton | GPSFan: care to explain what exactly is special about cardbus? |
| 00:55:11 | GPSFan | captain_proton: cardbus is essentially 32bit PCI, PCMCIA is sort of like 16bit ISA bus. |
| 00:55:23 | GPSFan | they share a common connector. |
| 00:55:23 | captain_proton | ahh |
| 00:55:46 | captain_proton | i'm gussing cardbus won |
| 00:55:50 | GPSFan | but the host controllers are very different, |
| 00:55:50 | captain_proton | 't work on the tux ;) |
| 00:56:00 | GPSFan | correct. |
| 00:56:27 | captain_proton | care to send me the necessary pictures for the 5v hack since my route is bad? |
| 00:56:42 | GPSFan | PCMCIA cards can work in cardbus slots but not vice versa. |
| 00:59:42 | GPSFan | this page has all you need, text & graphics. http://tuxscreen.net/wiki/view//PCMCIA-5V if your path to tuxscreen.net is down, I could try to dcc it to you. |
| 01:00:02 | captain_proton | please dcc |
| 01:00:48 | BZFlag | or try www.tuxscreen.net or tuxscreen.sf.net |
| 01:01:12 | captain_proton | sourceforge one works |
| 01:01:15 | GPSFan | I guess something here doesn't like dcc. |
| 01:01:43 | GPSFan | when I tried my connection dropped. ;>( |
| 01:01:59 | captain_proton | which picture should i reference? |
| 01:02:11 | BZFlag | if www.tuxscreen.net works but tuxscreen.net does not (gets rikers.org or codepoet.org) then your dns cache is broken. |
| 01:02:49 | captain_proton | its the uni's DNS, not mine |
| 01:03:04 | captain_proton | www didn't work either |
| 01:03:09 | captain_proton | only sf |
| 01:03:50 | GPSFan | both work fine from western Colorado. |
| 01:04:12 | captain_proton | not for me apparently |
| 01:05:07 | captain_proton | it says on the wiki page there's a way to do it w/o diodes but i don't see a schematic for that |
| 01:08:04 | GPSFan | here is a pic... ftp://ftp.desertweyr.com/pub/5Vx2.jpg |
| 01:08:44 | GPSFan | which is the same as on the wiki page: http://tuxscreen.net/wiki/view//PCMCIA-5V |
| 01:11:09 | GPSFan | just leave out the diodes and replace the "switche(s)" with wires. that makes a 5V only slot. be sure to remove r337 and/or r338. |
| 01:18:08 | scanline | is back (gone 00:24:30) |
| 02:09:16 | CosmicPenguin | is away: "Nobody move, I dropped the pin..." |
| 02:57:48 | file | 400?!?!?!?!?!?!?! |
| 02:57:52 | file | crys |
| 03:04:09 | captain_proton | GPSFan: you still here? |
| 03:04:46 | GPSFan | yep. |
| 03:04:46 | captain_proton | hrm i'll ask anyway |
| 03:04:48 | captain_proton | ok |
| 03:05:07 | captain_proton | on the diagram w/ the diodes & switches (which i'm leaving out, there's a yellow box |
| 03:05:19 | captain_proton | on that hole, do i solder to it or just run the wire through it? |
| 03:06:32 | GPSFan | the yello box is around the +5V, solder 1 (or 2) wires to the silver pad. |
| 03:06:45 | captain_proton | ok - so let me just check this |
| 03:07:01 | captain_proton | on the top of the board, i solder a wire betwen '1' and C400 |
| 03:07:12 | captain_proton | then on the bottom i do the same thing betwen C400 and '2' |
| 03:07:13 | captain_proton | ? |
| 03:08:43 | GPSFan | to change the top pcmcia socket to 5V remove r337, solder a wire fro the third connector pin down on the left to the silver pad near the label C400. |
| 03:09:09 | GPSFan | to change the bottom pcmcia socket to 5V remove r338, solder a wire fro the third connector pin down on the right to the silver pad near the label C400. |
| 03:09:25 | GPSFan | s/fro/from |
| 03:09:30 | captain_proton | remove r337 & r338? looks like a small job |
| 03:10:03 | captain_proton | any tips on doing that? |
| 03:10:12 | GPSFan | but critical, if you leave them in place you will let a large ammount of smoke out. ;>( |
| 03:10:27 | captain_proton | yeah i can imagine |
| 03:11:01 | GPSFan | use a wide tip soldering iron, heat both ends at once and try to push the resistor off the pads while the solder is molten. |
| 03:11:48 | captain_proton | ok... |
| 03:11:52 | GPSFan | you can also use solder wick to remove as much of the solder as possible. |
| 03:12:13 | captain_proton | if i'm soldering to the third connector pin, what are the blue boxes around 1 & 2 about? |
| 03:13:45 | GPSFan | the blue boxes are 3.3V, which is where you would connect the diode if you wasnted the 3.3/5V option. but then you need the switch(s) |
| 03:14:02 | captain_proton | ahh i see |
| 03:14:37 | GPSFan | follow the circuit from pin 1 to 3 to r337, then r339. |
| 03:15:29 | GPSFan | Pin 5 is connected to the VCC of the pcmcia connector, we are disconnecting it from 3.3V and re-connecting it to 5V. |
| 03:16:02 | GPSFan | same for pin 6 but for the bottom pcmcia slot. |
| 03:16:33 | captain_proton | ok i think i understand |
| 03:16:35 | captain_proton | thanks |
| 03:16:40 | EGg0 | is back (gone 04:12:32) |
| 03:16:41 | GPSFan | np.. |
| 03:31:41 | GPSFan | captain_proton: once you get the 5V mod done depending on your pcmcia nic you may want (or need) to get rid of the "Bad VCC" error message. you will get this message because the Tux doesn't know you have done the mod, and it thinks the Vcc is still 3.3V, and the card is asking for 5V. see the wiki page for what to change, and where. |
| 03:32:30 | captain_proton | GPSFan: keep in mind i still don't have linux on it |
| 03:34:48 | GPSFan | captain_proton: understood, but now when you get the message you will know why and what to do about it. some drivers will not load if they get the signal that causes the message, some will. |
| 03:35:13 | captain_proton | ahh |
| 03:46:56 | Morn | is away: veggin in front of the tube |
| 03:47:47 | CosmicPenguin | needs to pick up a copy of Dr. No |
| 03:48:02 | file[bed] | Dr. No is on ABC... |
| 03:48:06 | file[bed] | ain't it? |
| 03:48:14 | CosmicPenguin | file[bed]: Yep.. I'm watching it. |
| 03:48:20 | file[bed] | ahhhhh |
| 03:48:37 | CosmicPenguin | I got one of the three Bond DVD packs, but at 250 bucks a pop, they're not exactly cheap |
| 03:48:47 | file[bed] | yikes |
| 03:48:48 | CosmicPenguin | So I'm missing many of my favorites |
| 03:49:27 | file[bed] | too bad |
| 03:51:09 | file[bed] | radio beam syncronized |
| 03:51:15 | file[bed] | standby. |
| 03:51:21 | file[bed] | blah blah blah |
| 03:51:35 | file[bed] | CosmicPenguin: what are they doing? |
| 03:54:05 | CosmicPenguin | file[bed]: Sorry, I wasn't watching |
| 03:54:13 | file[bed] | k |
| 03:54:37 | file[bed] | my bed is so nice and warm... |
| 03:54:47 | CosmicPenguin | I jujst heard that they opened a special McDonalds at the Winter Olympics atheletes village |
| 03:54:56 | file[bed] | uh huh |
| 03:58:09 | CosmicPenguin | Ursula Andress is such a hottie |
| 03:59:26 | file[bed] | sleep time |
| 04:16:03 | CosmicPenguin | Rule of thumb: When the bad guy offers you something to eat - don't take it |
| 04:29:31 | EGg0 | is away: sleepytime |
| 07:20:09 | captain_proton | hmmm...the keyboard isn't working |
| 07:26:47 | captain_proton | now the touchscreen isn't working |
| 07:26:49 | captain_proton | this is bizzare |
| 07:26:52 | Russ | ? |
| 07:27:36 | captain_proton | i did the 5v hack and everything was working great but now things are going wonky |
| 07:29:19 | captain_proton | i'm starting to get scared... |
| 07:29:25 | Russ | ph34r |
| 07:29:35 | Russ | keyboard is very low level |
| 07:30:03 | captain_proton | i haven't installed linux yet |
| 07:32:36 | captain_proton | what happened?!?! |
| 07:33:47 | Russ | oh, I don't know much about inferno |
| 07:35:24 | captain_proton | any way the 5v pcmcia hack could affect IR & the touchscreen? |
| 07:49:10 | captain_proton | screams |
| 09:23:48 | captain_proton | any clues anybody? |
| 09:53:34 | captain_proton | HELP! |
| 09:55:54 | captain_proton | blah...maybe someone can help me in the morning |
| 10:04:02 | andersee | BZFlag: done |
| 10:04:19 | BZFlag | saw it, thanx! |
| 10:04:37 | captain_proton | BZFlag: help meeeee |
| 10:04:41 | BZFlag | captain_proton: what's you issue? you fried your kbd/ts ? |
| 10:04:55 | captain_proton | i did the simplest 5v hack |
| 10:05:00 | captain_proton | and everything seemed to be working |
| 10:05:07 | captain_proton | but now the keyboard & the touchscreen don't work |
| 10:05:11 | captain_proton | LCD still works though |
| 10:05:30 | BZFlag | you reseated the io card to be sure that's not it? |
| 10:05:45 | captain_proton | io card? |
| 10:05:48 | captain_proton | you mean the comm board? |
| 10:06:22 | BZFlag | yeah |
| 10:06:26 | captain_proton | yep |
| 10:06:58 | captain_proton | if my contacts were intermittent on the pcmcia power would that have any effect? |
| 10:07:26 | andersee | If your contacts are shorting out the whole comm board, that could do it... |
| 10:07:34 | captain_proton | they shouldn't be |
| 10:07:57 | captain_proton | my solding job was a little substandard - let me pull these wires out so there's no power to them at all |
| 10:08:15 | captain_proton | soldering* |
| 10:08:32 | captain_proton | no change |
| 10:10:06 | captain_proton | what could cause this to break? |
| 10:11:38 | BZFlag | a short could do it. |
| 10:11:40 | andersee | Does you soldering job look something like mine? http://www.codepoet.org/pcmcia/sd820021.jpg |
| 10:11:48 | BZFlag | does the led flash on boot up? |
| 10:12:47 | andersee | (sorry for the sucky pic) |
| 10:13:11 | captain_proton | yes it flashes |
| 10:13:46 | BZFlag | andersee: that's not a 3 pole switch... ;-) I guess you can short your 3v anv 5v at will? |
| 10:14:02 | captain_proton | andersee: i didn't use a switch |
| 10:14:09 | captain_proton | i left out the diodes and just used wires |
| 10:14:18 | andersee | BZFlag: it was the smallest switch I had in my bin of electronic bits |
| 10:14:22 | BZFlag | heh |
| 10:14:24 | andersee | captain_proton: me too |
| 10:14:43 | BZFlag | captain_proton: you hard wired to 5v? or what? |
| 10:14:43 | andersee | Does your look like mine though? |
| 10:14:53 | captain_proton | yes, hard wired |
| 10:15:02 | andersee | I have a switch to select between 3v and 5v |
| 10:15:04 | captain_proton | andersee: it used to before i removed it just a few minutes ago |
| 10:15:14 | andersee | hmmm |
| 10:15:17 | BZFlag | well, andersee has 2 switches... ;-) |
| 10:16:09 | BZFlag | captain_proton: you are sure that you ts cable all the way in? |
| 10:16:15 | captain_proton | ts? |
| 10:16:21 | BZFlag | touch screen |
| 10:16:31 | captain_proton | yeah - LCD works fine - just doesn't accept input right |
| 10:16:40 | BZFlag | two different cables. |
| 10:17:03 | captain_proton | ahh |
| 10:17:06 | captain_proton | yeah, i think so |
| 10:17:08 | BZFlag | the thin one is the touch screen |
| 10:17:19 | captain_proton | i've put it back in several times trying to get it to work |
| 10:17:48 | captain_proton | let me check again |
| 10:19:12 | BZFlag | well, I must sleep, and so should you two. |
| 10:19:26 | andersee | should open his phone and stick it on the flatbed scanner so he can get a decent pic of the 5V hack |
| 10:19:31 | captain_proton | BZFlag: before you go - any clue about the keyboard? |
| 10:19:57 | BZFlag | nope. I assume you never removed the cables to the ir board. |
| 10:20:07 | captain_proton | nope |
| 10:20:23 | BZFlag | sounds to me like you fried something. |
| 10:20:33 | captain_proton | :( |
| 10:20:43 | captain_proton | but how? |
| 10:20:51 | BZFlag | try pulling and replacing the power cable on the back of the tux? |
| 10:21:04 | captain_proton | done several times |
| 10:21:19 | BZFlag | shorting 3v to 5v could damage something. not sure what would go first. |
| 10:21:37 | BZFlag | examine the board closely for any burned or cut tracings. |
| 10:21:50 | andersee | captain_proton: you |
| 10:22:20 | andersee | captain_proton: you _did_ cut the original trace before hooking up the 5V line to the connector, right? |
| 10:22:39 | captain_proton | i removed the resistors if thats what you mean |
| 10:22:44 | andersee | k |
| 10:22:52 | andersee | got a multimeter? |
| 10:22:59 | captain_proton | not on me |
| 10:23:30 | BZFlag | probably going to need one. |
| 10:23:37 | andersee | hmm. Would be good to double check 100% that no current is leaking back across (like via solder globs....) |
| 10:23:48 | BZFlag | agreed |
| 10:24:23 | BZFlag | got my scanner online, I should put up some real high res scans sometime. |
| 10:25:21 | BZFlag | well, must sleep. |
| 10:25:21 | andersee | BZFlag: done the 5V mod too? |
| 10:25:32 | captain_proton | i don't see any bad traces or places where current could leak |
| 10:25:34 | BZFlag | nope. to busy lately |
| 10:25:38 | andersee | Yeah, me too. I've got church at 9am. :( |
| 10:25:45 | BZFlag | me too. |
| 10:25:51 | andersee | night then |
| 10:26:06 | BZFlag | I should be at a 7:30 meeting too, but I doubt I'll make it now. |
| 10:26:16 | BZFlag | ugh... nite all. |
| 10:28:26 | captain_proton | ok i'll go to sleep |
| 10:28:28 | captain_proton | is sad |
| 10:28:51 | andersee | is sad for capton_proton |
| 10:28:54 | andersee | sucks |
| 10:29:14 | andersee | perhaps it can be revived.... |
| 10:29:23 | andersee | night |
| 10:29:26 | captain_proton | i sincerely hope so |
| 13:06:33 | Morn | is away: cleaning up... |
| 14:06:23 | Morn | is away: breakfast |
| 14:16:00 | EGg0_at_rest | is back (gone 09:46:27) |
| 14:19:34 | scanline | is away: ZzZzZzzzzzz |
| 16:09:06 | EGg0 | is away: I'm reading a book. Do you remember books? |
| 18:25:34 | holden | I'm having a bit of trouble with buildroot-tux from CVS. I've applied the patch that Goetz Bock sent the mailing list a few days ago, and tried three different prebuilt toolchains. Has anyone else got it working? |
| 18:47:05 | jollyroger | hello |
| 19:03:41 | holden | Yay! buildroot-tux succeeded. The statement "You do not need to be root to build this system" is incorrect. The problem seems to be connected with the installation of the uClibc build environment, |
| 19:07:38 | holden | The built ramdisk doesn't work though. The boot freezes after printing "Freeing init memory: 68K" |
| 19:11:12 | holden | The kernel seems to be still running- I got some debug messages from the PCMCIA driver when I ejected the CF card. |
| 19:14:15 | holden | Is there any way to mount a JFFS2 image file (other than writing it to flash first)? |
| 19:18:47 | holden | How come in root/ /dev is a link to /var/dev which is a link to / |
| 19:19:15 | holden | sorry, which is a link to /boot/var/dev |
| 19:19:37 | BZFlag | /boot/var/dev is copied to ramfs /var on boot from linuxrc |
| 19:20:01 | BZFlag | but there needs to be something in /var/dev (linked from /dev) to get to that point. |
| 19:20:27 | BZFlag | mtdram.o will let you mount a jffs2 image on another host. |
| 19:20:49 | BZFlag | there is also mtd/util/jffs2reader (or similar) to dump contents. |
| 19:21:56 | holden | BZFlag: How does the contents of /boot/var/dev get into the JFFS2 image? |
| 19:24:36 | holden | BZFlag: forget it, I found device_table.txt |
| 19:49:52 | holden | I just copied the ramdisk image which won't boot to my Netwinder and tried to chroot to it. It segfaulted when it tried to execute /bin/sh. Is uClibc ld.so broken at the moment by any chance? |
| 19:59:24 | EGg0_studio | is back (gone 03:50:20) |
| 20:00:58 | holden | Ok, a ramdisk with static busybox and tinylogin works, so I think the fault probably is in ld.so |
| 20:03:43 | holden | Does anyone know the last time uClibc with shared libraries worked on ARM? |
| 20:05:02 | BZFlag | hmm.. It should work. last time I built the tree it worked. |
| 20:06:03 | holden | BZFlag: I just remembered, the build failed because the toolchain I'm using didn't support "-z combreloc" so I removed that option from the Makefile. What does combreloc actually do? |
| 20:09:31 | holden | BZFlag: According the docs combreloc "Combines multiple relocation sections to reduce overhead when objects are loaded into memory". I'm not sure if removing it would break ld.so or not. |
| 20:28:11 | BZFlag | doesn't sound like it should. |
| 20:28:31 | holden | BZFlag: what toolchain are you using? |
| 20:34:44 | BZFlag | http://emdebian.org |
| 20:37:47 | holden | BZFlag: Will give that a try. I've tried 2.95 and 3.0 from ftp.arm.linux.org.uk and neither of them supported combreloc or produced a working ld.so, and also the LART 2.95 one which refused to even build ld.so with a weird sections related error. |
| 20:46:59 | holden | Ugh, the emdebian RPMs install arm-linux-gcc etc. into /usr/bin |
| 20:47:38 | holden | And they don't support combreloc either... |
| 20:52:36 | holden | Emdebian toolchain doesn't produce a working ld.so either :( |
| 21:20:02 | EGg0 | is away: I'm reading a book. Do you remember books? |
| 21:23:04 | BZFlag | talk to andersee, perhaps he broke it |
| 21:46:03 | scanline | is back (gone 07:26:26) |
| 22:02:52 | Morn | is away: doing stuff... |
| 22:42:12 | Morn | is away: making dinner |
| 22:50:24 | | hello, Sophie |
| 22:50:24 | Sophie | hola |
| 22:51:00 | Sophie | pushed ibot up against the wall and mounts it *unf* *unf* |
| 22:51:20 | Sophie | pushes, even |
| 22:51:35 | | no idea, sophie |
| 22:51:35 | Sophie | do you know what *unf* means, ibot? |
| 22:51:55 | | Sophie: i'm not following you... |
| 22:51:55 | Sophie | would you like to know, ibot? |
| 22:52:18 | | Sophie: i'm not following you... |
| 22:52:18 | Sophie | I've heard that before, ibot. |
| 22:52:24 | Sophie | and again. |
| 23:32:40 | file | dances |
| 23:32:49 | file | don't stop moving |
| 23:32:51 | file | listen to the music |
| 23:32:54 | file | can you feel the music? |
| 23:32:57 | file | DJ's got us going around |
| 23:33:00 | file | don't stop moving |
| 23:33:03 | file | find your always doing |
| 23:33:05 | file | listen to the music |
| 23:33:11 | file | taking you to places you've never been to before |
| 23:49:21 | Morn | is back (gone 01:07:09) |
