irclog2html for tuxscreen on 2002.01.25

irclog2html for tuxscreen on 2002.01.25 00:25:23 CosmicPenguin Wow.. lots o' folks going buhbye... 00:27:26 CosmicPenguin sjm: you there? 00:37:47 jacques wb guys 00:38:03 Hiraghm h'lo 00:38:06 Hiraghm waves madly near everyone 00:38:21 Hiraghm http://game.ncl.ac.uk/ 00:42:44 sjm CosmicPenguin: sortof - running around a lot 00:49:14 Hiraghm welp, the source code I thought was on one machine is on the other. 00:50:18 CosmicPenguin sjm: The nxsnapshot code has been delivered to the Microwindows and Tuxscreen mailing lists 00:50:26 jacques whoo 00:50:42 sjm Cool... :) :) 00:51:14 sjm But I'm at work, and it gets sent to my home address ;( 00:51:20 sjm I'll look forward to it... 00:51:57 CosmicPenguin sjm: be forewarned though - I have to convert to 24 bit color, and then the jpeg engine gets it, so its not as clean as I would like it to be 00:51:59 sjm Thank you very much CosmicPenguin. It's nice to see features added on request. 00:52:10 CosmicPenguin Maybe somebody can hack in PNG support?? :) 00:52:27 sjm Better than using a digital camera like I am now :) 00:55:19 andersee was last seen on #tuxscreen 6 days, 4 hours, 15 minutes and 3 seconds ago, saying: is away: lunch [Fri Jan 18 20:40:16 2002] 00:55:19 BZFlag ibot: seen andersee 00:56:20 CosmicPenguin Thats a pretty long lunch... :) 00:56:59 CosmicPenguin Like the editors at the Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy 01:00:28 CosmicPenguin Ok, then... we'll, I'm off.... 01:03:02 EGg0 is away: I'm reading a book. Do you remember books? 01:03:13 Hiraghm waves madly near BZFlag 01:16:02 pattieja is away: home 01:18:50 scanline is away: food or something 02:02:19 scanline is back (gone 00:43:29) 02:12:49 Hiraghm so 02:13:30 Hiraghm wonders if anyone is looking 02:18:16 GPSFan andersee: are you doing any busybox work these days? 02:23:50 Hiraghm buzybox? 02:23:55 Hiraghm waves near GPSFan 02:24:32 GPSFan andersee: did you ever get a chance to look at umount. we talked over the holidays, I was having trouble with busybox umount returning "invalid argument" when I tried to umount /dev/hda1 (or hda4 in the case of my clik drive). this is on both busybox stable & unstable branches. 02:36:29 Hiraghm waves madly near BZFlag 02:37:02 Hiraghm heeey, BZ 02:37:13 Hiraghm http://game.ncl.ac.uk/ 02:39:54 jacques andersee: !!! 02:57:10 Hiraghm waves madly near Sophie 03:06:03 jacques anyone here know about linearly mapped CF? 03:29:16 jacques BZFlag: you about? 03:42:04 GoRK was last seen on #tuxscreen 38 days, 1 hours, 44 minutes and 6 seconds ago, saying: hmm it used to be there [Tue Dec 18 01:57:58 2001] 03:42:04 scanline ibot, seen GoRK? 04:05:33 BZFlag was last seen on #bzflag 27 minutes and 31 seconds ago, saying: captain_proton needs to find the rsync logs [Fri Jan 25 03:38:02 2002] 04:05:33 Hiraghm ibot seen BZFlag? 04:12:36 CosmicPenguin Good evening to all 04:21:53 andersee GPSFan: hi 04:22:24 andersee GPSFan: I'm planning on spending some quality time with busybox this evening. I've been neglecting it recently... 04:22:32 Hiraghm waves madly at everyone 04:22:37 andersee Hiraghm: hey 04:22:58 Hiraghm Cozmik Penguin.... http://game.ncl.ac.uk/ 04:23:18 CosmicPenguin Hiraghm: I saw that before... is that your site? 04:24:23 Hiraghm heck no 8c) 04:24:37 Hiraghm finally found it again, though 04:25:00 Hiraghm It has some nice (if basic) C++ source for 2D and networked x windows games 04:25:31 CosmicPenguin shrugs 04:27:08 CosmicPenguin Kinda basic games, it looked to me 04:27:38 Hiraghm extremely 04:27:49 Hiraghm not meant to be games, just to show how. 04:28:09 Hiraghm points at the tux's extremely basic display and basic lack of fpu 04:30:19 CosmicPenguin We don't need no steekin' FPUs 04:31:03 CosmicPenguin Truecolor 332, 640x480.... what more do you want? 04:33:29 Hiraghm exactly 04:33:37 cpenguin_home grumble, grumble.... stupid modem 04:34:32 cpenguin_home sticks a couple of pins in his voodoo doll for AT&T Broadband and Qwest 04:38:02 cpenguin_home <pong> Got ping response from devlin.openprojects.net: 19.15s 04:38:09 cpenguin_home Beautiful 04:41:00 andersee CosmicPenguin: whats up? 04:41:20 cpenguin_home andersee: nothing much.... hows business? 04:42:27 andersee dunno. I've been sick as a dog all week. Just now starting to try and catch up... 04:42:52 andersee hey 04:43:03 andersee missed my reply? 04:43:08 cpenguin_home Argh..... 04:43:15 cpenguin_home No - You said you were sick.... flu? 04:43:28 andersee yeah. 04:43:40 cpenguin_home At least you got it out of the way... :) 04:43:48 andersee Couldn't keep food down from saturday night till yesterday. :( 04:44:11 andersee Been a long time since I was that sick 04:44:39 cpenguin_home not good 04:44:59 Hiraghm shakes his head 04:45:01 Hiraghm gnot good 04:45:06 cpenguin_home shakes his head at the news that Stallone wants to make Rocky IV 04:45:07 andersee cpenguin_home: Care to give uClibc/C++ an unofficial test drive for me? 04:45:15 cpenguin_home andersee: I would love to 04:45:18 Hiraghm he already made rocky IV 04:45:27 Hiraghm andersee 04:45:32 cpenguin_home Hiraghm: Yeah, how about Rocky VI? 04:45:37 Hiraghm NO! 04:45:45 Hiraghm Rocky V sucked. IV inhaled deeply 04:46:01 andersee I think the Rocky theme has been worked over pretty well. Let it rest. 04:46:39 andersee cpenguin_home: got a home email addr for me? I'll shoot you a test copy this evening. 04:47:22 cpenguin_home andersee: Try cpenguin@xmission.com. I don't know if they have message quotas or not, though... 04:47:26 Hiraghm andersee, what is uClibc/C++? 04:48:05 cpenguin_home If not, you can just send it to me on the other e-mail... I probably won't get to it until tommorrow, anyway 04:48:47 cpenguin_home Either way, I'll keep it under my hat 04:49:09 Hiraghm what good will it do there? 04:49:31 andersee Hiraghm: uClibc C++ support 04:49:40 cpenguin_home Hiraghm: You would be surprised.... I've got a P4 in my hat, with integrated bluetooth 04:49:52 Hiraghm oh 04:49:53 sjm cpenguin_home: Can we expect fltk support in MicroWindows soon? :) 04:50:08 cpenguin_home sjm: A year and a half ago soon enough? 04:50:32 Hiraghm ooh 04:50:40 cpenguin_home sjm: We 04:50:44 sjm with uClibc 04:50:55 cpenguin_home sjm: Oh... well, as soon as andersee releases it, I guess 04:51:01 Hiraghm SDL support? 04:51:20 sjm nice 04:51:24 CosmicPenguin Hiraghm: Once upon a time, we had a SDL port, but it didn't work very well. We should try again 04:51:36 Hiraghm oh 04:51:41 Hiraghm we should? 04:51:51 CosmicPenguin Hiraghm: The community 04:52:03 Hiraghm yeah, I knew what you meant 04:52:16 Hiraghm but you said it didn't work very well 04:52:32 andersee SDL has botten lots better.... 04:52:32 Hiraghm poorly written or Tux problem? 04:52:38 Hiraghm ohhh 04:52:38 andersee err. gotten 04:52:50 CosmicPenguin andersee: yeah, the code is much cleaner these days 04:53:29 CosmicPenguin Greg put in support for a client side framebuffer, so we should be able to integerate with SDL pretty easily.... 04:54:40 andersee I'd intended to formally release the C++ stuff early this week, but I've been sick. So I'm gonna clean up a couple of things, then give Cosmic a cut to try out this evening. Assuming he sees no major malfunctions, I'll release things to the world and to client of mine concurrently. 04:55:30 andersee CosmicPenguin: whats the story on microwindows touchscreen support these days? Using tslib now? 04:56:16 CosmicPenguin andersee: We will temporarily, but have seen the new news from RMK? 04:57:00 andersee whats news? I though tslib was now the officially blessed RMK solution... 04:57:15 CosmicPenguin andersee: That was sooo 2001.... 04:57:28 CosmicPenguin andersee: They're working with Linus to move all touchscreen support everywhere to the input layer 04:58:18 CosmicPenguin The email was on arm-linux, but Alex Holden mirrored it to the nano-X list 04:58:51 andersee has gotten behind on arm-linux this week and needs to catch up I guess 04:59:08 andersee makes sense actually to use the input layer 04:59:12 BZFlag woah, andersee is here. 04:59:21 scanline cheers for a standard touchscreen architecture 04:59:23 andersee BZFlag: yeah, I'm still alive... 04:59:38 andersee was sick as a dog all week 04:59:50 BZFlag ah, so that was it. 05:00:00 I haven't seen 'the', BZFlag 05:00:00 BZFlag seen the openzaurus buildroot? 05:00:09 BZFlag whacks ibot 05:00:45 andersee hehe 05:00:48 andersee Nope 05:00:54 andersee link? 05:01:05 BZFlag http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/openzaurus/buildroot-oz/ 05:01:07 Hiraghm cheers BZFlag 05:01:18 BZFlag configs has all packages. 05:01:27 BZFlag depends work right. 05:01:36 CosmicPenguin BZFlag: When did openzaurus start up? 05:01:37 BZFlag (well, once I fix them ;-) 05:01:50 BZFlag CosmicPenguin: a month or two ago. 05:01:59 CosmicPenguin Ahhh.... 05:02:44 BZFlag bedtime for henry.. back in 15 or so. 05:03:10 andersee neeto 05:04:00 CosmicPenguin laughs evilly - Nano-X on the Zaurus... buwahaha... 05:04:23 scanline openzaurus still uses Qt/Embedded, right? 05:05:57 BZFlag henry brushing teeth.... yes oz is qtopia 05:06:21 CosmicPenguin I like the name qtopia.... 05:07:02 scanline wonders how receptive openzarus would be to having Nano-X and PicoGUI ports :) 05:07:29 scanline hmm, PicoGUI port would probably involve me having a zaurus first though.. 05:08:04 BZFlag CosmicPenguin: as an oz admin, I can say sure! 05:08:04 CosmicPenguin wonders how receptive TrollTech would be to having Nano-X and PicoGUI ports 05:08:18 scanline haha 05:08:19 CosmicPenguin Or X11 for that matter 05:08:23 BZFlag oz != trolltech 05:08:34 scanline oz can start an uprising 05:08:44 BZFlag x11 will be there. pierre@lineo.com has working packages. 05:08:50 scanline call to arms, to replace Qt/E with alternative GUIs 05:09:04 scanline i need to get me one of them zauruses.. 05:09:13 BZFlag sharp is fairl frustrated with tt at present. 05:09:27 scanline tt? 05:09:29 CosmicPenguin BZFlag: Thats the buzz I heard from CES 05:09:31 BZFlag that's zauri ;-) 05:09:33 scanline oh, never mind 05:09:38 BZFlag tt=trolltech 05:09:52 scanline figured it out too late to reverse the intertia of his enter key 05:09:59 andersee Oh. I thought you meant truetype... 05:10:02 CosmicPenguin BZFlag: I'll see if good ol' Censoft will spring for a Zaurus... :) 05:10:10 CosmicPenguin andersee: truetype would be t1, right? 05:10:31 andersee And they would have no reason for frusteration... 05:10:38 scanline they're about $500, right? 05:11:07 andersee CosmicPenguin: I guess Censoft has money now, following the layoffs. ;-) 05:11:18 CosmicPenguin andersee: sadly, this is true 05:11:36 andersee Guess Greg need more airplane fuel cash... 05:12:49 CosmicPenguin andersee: I think he just doesn't like uneven numbers on the balance sheet 05:13:58 scanline censoft's really doing that well? 05:14:46 CosmicPenguin scanline: The terminal emulation side does very well..... The embedded side makes really good software, but can't find anyone to pay for it 05:17:19 andersee Hmm I have the opposite problem. I make crappy software, but at least I have thousands of companys throwing cash at me to make up for it. 05:17:29 andersee kidding... 05:17:34 scanline haha 05:18:45 Hiraghm andersee... you're Bill Gates? 05:19:05 Hiraghm ducks 05:22:33 BZFlag ttf==truetype 05:22:44 scanline nah, that's a little different.,.. Bill Gates steals ok software, makes it crappy, then sells it to almost everyone for way more than it's worth 05:23:02 BZFlag Zs are $400 now. consumer model witl 64M will be like $500 05:23:23 scanline contemplates buying a Zaurus rather than a good video card 05:23:54 CosmicPenguin scanline: It depends..... how bady do you want to play RTCW? 05:24:06 BZFlag it's a tux you can put in your pocket. ;-) 05:24:07 scanline hmm... maybe i'll just get both :) 05:24:30 scanline how 'bout i write a super-optimized OpenGL library so i can play RTCW on my Zaurus? 05:24:31 CosmicPenguin BZFlag: I'm a big fan of the ergonomics of the Zaurus.... 05:24:36 CosmicPenguin scanline: Ok.... 05:24:48 BZFlag the sa1110 handheld I'm working on now will be retail $350 or so and include a fold down keyboard and a usb host connection. 05:25:10 BZFlag june or so 2002 05:25:21 andersee BZFlag: so how hackable is the zaurus? 05:25:22 CosmicPenguin $350? Damn.... 05:25:39 CosmicPenguin The Royal Linu@x will be $299, but no keyboard 05:25:50 CosmicPenguin Or USB host, for that matter 05:26:41 andersee BZFlag: btw, I'm gonna be sending CosmicPenguin the uClibc C++ support stuff to try out on microwindows/ARM this evening... 05:26:53 BZFlag sweet! 05:26:57 CosmicPenguin andersee: Can I try it on x86 first, though? 05:27:27 BZFlag the Z needs a real bootloader, I'm hoping to get jtag info soon. 05:27:57 CosmicPenguin is thinking that the Zaurus has a blob in its future.... :) 05:28:12 BZFlag but there are mtd/kbd/display/ts drivers out, so it's hackable. 05:28:27 BZFlag CosmicPenguin: likely, very likely. 05:28:43 CosmicPenguin BZFlag: What chip does it use for the touchscreen? 05:28:43 Hiraghm BZFlag, I wanna beta test then 05:29:04 andersee CosmicPenguin: Hmm. I actually havn't built it for x86 yet.... 05:29:24 BZFlag CosmicPenguin: don't recall, have not touched that portion yet 05:29:34 andersee CosmicPenguin: I've only been building it as a cross devel environment. 05:29:51 CosmicPenguin andersee: Ok.... The only reason I asked is because I am ramped up immediately to compile on X86, but it would take me a bit to get some good C++ stuff into the buildroot-tux 05:30:17 BZFlag the Z has connectors by the battery that we assume are jtag. 05:30:30 andersee Ahh. I'll see what I can do on the x86 front. 05:30:46 andersee BZFlag: so whatdoya do now when you brick one? 05:31:04 BZFlag don't know anyone that has bricked one yet. 05:31:13 CosmicPenguin BZFlag: Are you doing the same thing as the Compaq folks and avoid looking at any possible NDA tainted architecture? 05:31:18 CosmicPenguin s/architecture/documents/ 05:31:44 BZFlag well, I have the SD driver source, so I guess I'm tainted somewhat. 05:37:34 andersee time to test a patch out.... 05:37:36 andersee brb 05:39:11 Hiraghm doh, wrong keyboard 05:46:52 CosmicPenguin andersee: wb... all is good? 05:50:43 andersee Dunno yet. I'm trying out a kernel patch to better idle my Athlon when it has nothing to do. Hopefully my box is cooling down a bit now... 05:52:08 CosmicPenguin I need one of those on my Ipaq.. :) 05:52:51 andersee heh 05:53:37 andersee just wait till you get one with an Xscale 1.4 Ghz cpu in it. Then you will be able cool eggs on your IPAQ when camping. :) 05:53:50 andersee err. cook egg that is. 05:53:55 andersee eggs 05:53:56 andersee sigh 05:54:03 andersee Ah kant tipe 05:54:20 CosmicPenguin No, that could be a new slang: Man, this thing cooks egg! 05:57:08 cpenguin_home is very frustrated 05:57:27 andersee you seem to be bouncing on and off this evening... 05:57:48 cpenguin_home PPPD keeps dying on me 05:59:20 andersee must be those DOS attacks I'm launching against you with my massive bandwidth. ;) 05:59:36 cpenguin_home andersee: At least you've got DSL... 05:59:48 andersee For which I am grateful. 06:00:06 cpenguin_home Apparently the ratio of cars in the front lawn is still too high for Qwest to consider my neighborhood worthy of a DSL connection 06:00:10 cpenguin_home AT&T too 06:00:19 andersee And as soon as I get busybox and uclibc off my line and onto a colo box, I'll actually have my bandwidth back.... 06:00:46 andersee I just need to finish configuring the colo box. 06:00:56 andersee Maybe by Saturday.... 06:02:23 andersee A buddy of mine owns an ISP, so I'll be hosting the box there 06:03:49 BZFlag andersee: who? 06:04:37 BZFlag hates waiting for glibc builds.... 06:04:43 andersee BZFlag: A friend of Mark Whitley. Doug James. We all get together and play roll playing games every month or so 06:04:53 BZFlag what isp? 06:04:56 cpenguin_home andersee: Good ISP? Better than XMission? 06:05:50 andersee nonono. A very small time outfit, and not really an ISP so much as a web hosting firm. But they are close and have the needed bandwidth. 06:06:24 andersee I'm also gonna be setting up some mirrors to distribute the load a bit too. 06:06:55 andersee wonders if Lineo ever visits the busybox website 06:09:15 JordanC One more time, and thats its for me tonight... :( 06:09:37 JordanC ltmodem isn't all that its cracked up to be apparently 06:12:45 BZFlag tbird was on the tinylogin page the other day. 06:13:23 BZFlag JordanC: but you do have it working? that's gotta be worth something. ;-) 06:15:37 JordanC BZFlag: True.... but it drops me more than I would like 06:17:30 BZFlag well any drops are more than you would like. 06:17:42 BZFlag get a real modem already. ;-) 06:17:54 CosmicPenguin BZFlag: Its my laptop.... 06:25:52 BZFlag CosmicPenguin: still has pcmcia slots and a serial port I presume. ;-) 06:26:34 sjm WooHoo! 5:30 Friday, time to go home, and I've got Monday off!! 06:26:38 sjm night all 07:07:44 scanline BZFlag: openzaurus needs a web page 07:07:51 jacques_gone hi guys 07:08:11 scanline jacques is back from the gone :) 07:08:58 jacques yep 07:09:21 jacques back from cage 07:09:27 jacques to pester ppl about buildroot 07:09:50 jacques i think those Makefile changes are what broke i 07:09:51 jacques it 07:15:25 andersee night all 07:17:37 captain_proton BZFlag: around? 07:19:20 BZFlag was last seen on #tuxscreen 53 minutes and 28 seconds ago, saying: CosmicPenguin: still has pcmcia slots and a serial port I presume. ;-) [Fri Jan 25 06:25:52 2002] 07:19:20 jacques ibot: seen BZFlag 07:20:26 captain_proton grumbles 07:33:30 captain_proton BZFlag: talk to me in #bzflag 12:18:48 EGg0 is back (gone 11:15:42) 12:36:25 scanline is away: ZzZzZzZzzzz 12:39:57 Sammy bye 12:40:56 EGg0 is away: school 15:42:05 prpplague CosmicPenguin: morning 15:42:29 prpplague CosmicPenguin: hows life in the state of utah today? 15:44:16 CosmicPenguin prpplague: A bit cold, but other than that, we're just waiting to get slammed in two weeks 15:44:46 prpplague CosmicPenguin: ohh for olympics..... 15:45:01 CosmicPenguin prpplague: Yep.... it wil be an interesting experience 15:45:43 CosmicPenguin I can't believe its almost here.... its been a long six years 16:02:52 boodle is away: meeting 16:07:55 CosmicPenguin I wonder if that screenshot utility worked for sjm... 16:20:16 boodle is back (gone 00:17:20) 19:58:37 Tangent Hi everybody 19:59:43 GPSFan Hi Tangent: things are real slow around here lately 20:00:29 Tangent Nod... I guess that's the problem when the hardware is basically working now... 20:00:53 GPSFan yep, software issues abound... 20:01:51 Tangent Nod... and everyone seems to want to do different things with their linux phones too 20:02:10 Tangent doesn't help development much when everyone's doing something different 20:02:51 CosmicPenguin Hehe... now that BZFlag is in charge of the OpenZaurus project, I guess we'll all buy a Zaurus and move to that instead.... 20:13:13 GPSFan as long as core development continues (GUI's, busybox, uClibc, blob, etc.) all platforms should benefit. Zaurus is a cool product, I especially like the LCD, it shuld give iPaq a run for the money. 20:15:24 CosmicPenguin GPSFan: yep... Other than the kernel, I'll bet the Oz project ends up running alot of the same software as the Tux... :) 20:17:38 GPSFan CosmicPenguin: but then again, the kernel is basically the 2.4.xx kernel with platform specifics. as are the kernels for other SA11xx based boxes. 20:18:47 CosmicPenguin True, true... 20:19:00 CosmicPenguin Thus is the beauty of Linux 20:19:06 GPSFan :>) 20:19:22 GPSFan and the promise of OpenSource. 20:21:53 AlHazWork got a Proxim Rangelan DS wlan card from justdeals today 20:22:20 AlHazWork $40, uses Prism2 chipset so there's AP software for linux, 3.3v, has a jack for an external antenna 20:23:06 CosmicPenguin AlHazWork: Sweet.... 20:24:00 GPSFan AlHazWork: I thought they were 44+shipping for the one with removable antenna? 20:26:25 AlHazWork GPSFan: Yeah, the one with a fixed antenna has a jack on it 20:27:15 AlHazWork Proxim prolly pays more attention to their design than the low end brands, too 20:27:35 AlHazWork since they once competed directly with lucent, aironet, tec 20:27:36 AlHazWork etc 20:27:53 GPSFan AlHazWork: so you got the one with the "fixed" antenna, and it has a jack? what kind? MMCX? 20:28:25 AlHazWork GPSFan: Eh, I dunno how to describe it. prolly says in the manual, which is in the car 20:28:29 AlHazWork tiny, coaxial 20:28:49 file sticks an antenna in GPSFan's head so he receives CSPAN, and only CSPAN ( 1 & 2 ) 20:28:57 AlHazWork brass cup with a plastic cylinder in it, with a hole in the cylinder 20:29:06 AlHazWork i don't think it's threaded 20:29:16 GPSFan AlHazWork: is the jack on the card or antenna part? 20:29:38 AlHazWork GPSFan: on the flat of the antenna part, near the LEDs. Covered with a rubber plug 20:29:47 GPSFan ah. 20:30:07 GPSFan AlHazWork: did you know you can update the firmware? 20:30:20 AlHazWork So, if anyone wanted to turn their tux into a WAP, this may be a good card for the job 20:30:26 AlHazWork GPSFan: Yeah 20:30:34 AlHazWork Most of the APs upload new firmware at boot time 20:31:19 GPSFan AlHazWork: did you get their ap as well $119 for a $1095 MSRP box isn't bad. 20:31:27 AlHazWork Oh, the Proxim WAP that justdeals is selling looks like it may be the same one as mentioned on /., that you can run linux on if you really want to run linux out of 1m of flash and 4m of ram 20:31:40 AlHazWork GPSFan: No, but my older brother bought one 20:31:52 AlHazWork I have a linksys AP that I'm pretty happy with 20:32:59 CosmicPenguin AlHazWork: With the rabbit ears? :) 20:33:03 AlHazWork CosmicPenguin: Yup 20:33:09 CosmicPenguin Thats what we have 20:33:21 AlHazWork cos: And it turns out that you can adjust the tx power on 'em individually 20:33:24 AlHazWork via SNMP 20:35:00 AlHazWork http://www.wi2600.org/mediawhore/nf0/wireless/docs/802.11/WAP11/fun_with_the_wap11.txt <-- how to boost the TX power on an WAP11 through SNMP 20:53:49 CosmicPenguin AlHazWork: I just want a concise list of the SNMP mibs so I can admin it from my linux box 20:54:08 AlHazWork CosmicPenguin: yeah, that'd be nice 21:17:29 CosmicPenguin I wonder if the term "bricked" will ever make it into popular usage? 21:17:37 CosmicPenguin "Man, I got bricked last night" 21:17:51 CosmicPenguin "And Tyson, bricks the guy with a left hand jab" 21:36:23 EGg0 is back (gone 08:55:26) 22:25:44 AlHazWork the manual for the Rangelan DS doesn't mention the connector at all 23:14:56 CosmicPenguin thinks this is the best beer he has ever had 23:26:14 fontenot hey, home come the desc for the rangelan AP's does not mention 802.11b at all? 23:26:16 fontenot http://store.yahoo.com/justdeals/proxranacpoi.html 23:26:34 AlHazWork 'cause justdeals is a low budget operation? 23:26:50 AlHazWork My brother has one, he says it's just an embedded system with a Rangelan DS plugged into it 23:27:25 fontenot the desc is rather long, but never mentions 802.11b, while the descs for the cards does mention it 23:27:36 fontenot it looks like they copied the desc from the manufacturer 23:28:02 fontenot AlHazWork: so the AP's are 802.11b ? know if they are WiFi ? 23:29:24 GPSFan fontenot: the desc says: Compatibility: Fully interoperable with IEEE 802.11b compliant products 23:30:32 fontenot damn, how did I miss that - sorry guys 23:30:47 AlHazWork fontenot: There's no WiFi logo on my card, but it also says it was manufactured in 2000, it could be pre-wifi 23:31:10 GPSFan np, the 119.95 ones are gone though. looks like a lot of the cards got bought by e-bay resellers. 23:31:23 AlHazWork prolly 23:31:45 AlHazWork When i tried to buy a card w/ detachable antenna, they were out of stock 23:32:24 fontenot DAMN 23:32:27 fontenot sigh 23:32:28 AlHazWork I don't actually need a third wireless card, but i figured it would prolly outperform my linksys card, and definately my LeArtery card (which looks like it's just the intersil reference design), and what a deal, eh? 23:33:29 GPSFan but they still have the 37.95 type cards that you just got. 23:33:52 AlHazWork yeah 23:33:55 fontenot i wanted detachable antenna ones :-( 23:34:54 GPSFan thye would be nicer, but the fixed antenna ones have a ext ant. connector, so says AlHazWork. 23:34:58 AlHazWork fontenot: Yeah, those would be great for situations where you want to fit the whole card inside something and just have a custom antenna sticking out 23:35:10 AlHazWork fontenot: But the attached-antenna one does have a jack on it for an external antenna 23:35:24 AlHazWork Hold on, I'll take a pic 23:35:50 GPSFan fontenot: 43 left. ;>) 23:36:10 fontenot yeah but you still have the antenna on there blocking the other slot for some cards 23:36:20 fontenot such as most ethernet cards 23:37:23 AlHazWork *shrug* depends how you arrange things 23:38:21 fontenot true 23:38:35 fontenot if the wireless card was on the bottom it might work 23:38:41 Hiraghm Hi 23:40:20 Hiraghm Hi? 23:40:45 AlHazWork http://we.areb.org/~alhaz/p1250001.jpg 23:41:26 AlHazWork fontenot: Actually since the antenna section is a tad thick, it'd be better on top 23:41:36 AlHazWork but it wouldn't interfere with a dongle coming out of the bottom slot 23:42:19 fontenot yeah, but all my NICs have integrated jacks and block the slot above 23:42:26 Hiraghm knows he's here. 23:42:37 AlHazWork the intersil reference design is completely flat, but the performance is poor 23:43:12 CosmicPenguin You guys read the Lindows review on Newsforge? Scary.. 23:43:41 CosmicPenguin Not only did the installation process not give us the opportunity to add users other than root, it didn't even explain that we *should* add users other than root, didn't tell us that the account was root, and even tended to discourage us from entering the optional security password for root, because, "if you lose this password it cannot be recovered." 23:43:46 AlHazWork CosmicPenguin: No, the first time i heard of Lindows i decided they were the same sort of folks who said they'd bring the NeXTStep UI to OS/2 23:44:08 AlHazWork ha! 23:44:15 GPSFan that looks like it might be a reverse SMB or SSMB connector. hard to find... 23:44:17 AlHazWork well, it's hard to *recover passwords, yes 23:44:29 CosmicPenguin AlHazWork: I guess they're going for complete windows compatability, eh? 23:44:29 AlHazWork but gimme 10 minutes and access to the console and I'll give you root access 23:44:35 AlHazWork in most cases, only about 45 seconds 23:45:27 AlHazWork just remember the mantra, "If untrusted people have access to the physical hardware, you have bigger problems than software security" 23:45:50 Hiraghm CosmicPenguin, where can I get info on Lindows? 23:46:10 CosmicPenguin Hiraghm: Everywhere... Go to newsforge and read the article 23:46:18 AlHazWork GPSFan: Could be 23:46:47 Hiraghm Well, I *tried* not asking, "What's Lindows".... 23:46:49 Hiraghm sighs 23:47:09 Hiraghm brb, going to search Alta Vista for the term "newsforge" 23:47:33 AlHazWork GPSFan: real cheapskates say that the way to go is to get a D-Link DWL-650, which has a circuit board that's cut for an external cable, but no connector, and get yourself the very cheapest car cell phone kit money can buy, which will supply you with the appropriate cable, with a decent connector on the end 23:47:35 CosmicPenguin Hiraghm: Lindows is a Linux distribution that says they will be fully compatable with windows 23:47:59 CosmicPenguin Newsforge is http://www.newsforge.com - a Linux news site 23:48:29 AlHazWork CosmicPenguin: Did you see The Register's bit about the XP ui today? 23:48:42 CosmicPenguin Nope... lemme check it 23:49:28 AlHazWork "The Windows XP user interface has been described cruelly, and frequently, as the "Teletubbies" UI" 23:50:18 Hiraghm So basically it'll be a non-Microsoft Windows? 23:50:35 Hiraghm AlHaz, I agree that's cruel.... poor Teletubbies. 23:51:54 CosmicPenguin AlHazWork: And it is... have you used that UI? Its like OS X on Lithum.... 23:52:15 AlHazWork CosmicPenguin: Yeah, just a few times 23:52:30 AlHazWork CosmicPenguin: It's like jogging in moon boots. In eight inches of water. 23:53:15 AlHazWork hell, do they even make moon boots anymore? how it used to be when i was a kid, to wear an inch of foam rubber on my feet . . . 23:56:10 AlHazWork CosmicPenguin: the task bar was annoyingly large, and fluffy 23:56:17 AlHazWork as was most of the ui 23:56:32 AlHazWork only used it briefly, to launch a dvd player a few times. but eesh. Generated by irclog2html.pl by Jeff Waugh - find it at freshmeat.net! Modified by Tim Riker to work with infobot logs, split per channel and by date, etc.