| 00:10:55 | jacques | i miss any news about the buildroot-tux ? |
| 00:17:12 | Hiraghm | hm |
| 00:17:14 | Hiraghm | don't think so |
| 00:17:18 | Hiraghm | waves near Keyser |
| 00:20:11 | jacques | :-\ |
| 00:39:36 | scanline | is back (gone 00:54:50) |
| 00:40:20 | ctr | is away: getting some juice |
| 00:43:39 | ctr | is back (gone 00:03:19) |
| 00:44:25 | CosmicPenguin | Otay, time to go to the gym, or something.... |
| 00:44:52 | CosmicPenguin | is away: Uh, oh.... the weasel got out again |
| 00:44:57 | ctr | heh |
| 00:45:03 | ctr | went swimming today :) |
| 00:45:22 | Hiraghm | hasn't been swimmink in yearz |
| 00:45:41 | ctr | heh first time in two years |
| 00:45:51 | ctr | went with my girlfriend and a couple of friends |
| 00:47:05 | ctr | i plan on going again on a regular basis |
| 00:47:16 | cory | last time I went swimming was about a month and a half ago |
| 00:47:21 | ctr | on the basis the pool is about 50 metres away from my house :) |
| 00:48:00 | Hiraghm | hehehe |
| 01:07:06 | cory | last pool I was in is on the other side of the country |
| 01:07:06 | cory | closest pool to me is about .375 miles, but I think it's closed :) |
| 01:07:09 | cory | closest open one is probably a few miles |
| 01:22:11 | Hiraghm | eats his late supper while making hair |
| 01:26:27 | scanline | still making hair? |
| 01:26:55 | scanline | if Lightwave 3D is so good you should be able to grow some extra hair and import it ;) |
| 01:27:18 | Hiraghm | heehee |
| 01:27:25 | Hiraghm | I'm using a hair creation plugin called sasquatch |
| 01:27:36 | Hiraghm | never used it before so most the time is spent undoing my mistakes |
| 01:30:18 | scanline | hehe |
| 01:39:13 | Hiraghm | waves madly at Sophie |
| 01:43:56 | file | waves madly at Hiraghm |
| 01:44:27 | scanline | waves madly at file |
| 01:44:39 | Hiraghm | waves madly near everyone |
| 01:45:05 | scanline | hehe |
| 01:46:25 | file | hums |
| 01:46:34 | scanline | whistles |
| 01:47:40 | Hiraghm | belches loudly |
| 01:48:06 | scanline | grabs a Pepsi in preparation for outdoing Hiraghm's belch |
| 01:51:53 | Hiraghm | nasty |
| 01:51:57 | Hiraghm | Pepsi belches is nasty. |
| 01:52:02 | Hiraghm | only belches Coke |
| 01:53:17 | scanline | :P |
| 02:02:46 | scanline | hehe, now we can make a linked list of files |
| 02:02:49 | scanline | file->next = file2 |
| 02:02:57 | file2 | yawns |
| 02:03:01 | scanline | file not found |
| 02:03:10 | Hiraghm | laughs like a madman |
| 02:20:37 | jacques | hmm, S/N ratio going waaaaay down on this channel |
| 02:21:17 | scanline | hmm.. we need something interesting to talk about |
| 02:24:06 | Hiraghm | scowls at jacques, ready to attack |
| 02:55:25 | Sammy | hello ~ |
| 02:56:00 | sjm | Hi |
| 03:10:48 | scanline | morning Sammy |
| 05:04:00 | EGg0 | is away: running to another room. |
| 05:08:06 | Hiraghm | sighs |
| 06:29:43 | sjm | Night all, |
| 06:31:27 | Sammy | night. |
| 08:20:47 | scanline | is away: ZzZzZzZzzzzz |
| 10:32:54 | | andersee was last seen on #tuxscreen 5 days, 13 hours, 52 minutes and 38 seconds ago, saying: is away: lunch [Fri Jan 18 20:40:16 2002] |
| 10:32:54 | BZFlag | ibot: seen andersee |
| 15:14:51 | Hiraghm | welp, time to start nailing the lid on Linux's coffin |
| 15:14:55 | Hiraghm | sighs, clearly disappointed |
| 15:15:00 | Hiraghm | http://www.linuxgames.com/ |
| 15:16:28 | CosmicPenguin | is back (gone 14:31:33) |
| 15:21:18 | Hiraghm | welp, time to start nailing the lid on Linux's coffin |
| 15:21:22 | Hiraghm | http://www.linuxgames.com/ |
| 15:21:25 | Hiraghm | sighs, clearly disappointed |
| 15:21:31 | Hiraghm | pokes CosmicPenguin |
| 15:21:59 | CosmicPenguin | Hiraghm: Those are some bold words coming from you.... what OS do you use again? |
| 15:22:52 | EGg0 | is away: school|work |
| 15:23:20 | Hiraghm | well, lessee... Irix, AmigaDOS, MSDOS, Windows... |
| 15:24:04 | Hiraghm | Hey, I'm not in favor of it, but Loki going under *is* a big smack against Linux 8c( |
| 15:26:47 | CosmicPenguin | Hiraghm: Loki going down is a big smack against Loki, not against LInux |
| 15:27:11 | Hiraghm | okay, who else makes commercial games for Linux? |
| 15:27:31 | CosmicPenguin | Technically, Loki didn't *make* commercial games either - they just ported them |
| 15:27:41 | Hiraghm | true enough |
| 15:28:10 | Hiraghm | but they were the closest thing to a commercial game developer/publisher Linux had 8c( |
| 15:28:25 | Hiraghm | and while games aren't everything, they're still the number 1 app for Windows. |
| 15:32:20 | CosmicPenguin | Name the top Windows games right now |
| 15:35:27 | Hiraghm | ponders a moment |
| 15:35:46 | Hiraghm | up near the top are Everquest and Dark Age of Camelot |
| 15:35:57 | Hiraghm | but I'd have to look up specifically for others. |
| 15:36:40 | CosmicPenguin | Hiraghm: I would probably stick The Sims, Halflife and Civ III up there too |
| 15:36:52 | Hiraghm | yup, was about to mention all 3. |
| 15:37:21 | Hiraghm | well, actually I thought of mentioning each one, but wasn't sure each time 8c) |
| 15:37:21 | CosmicPenguin | So, other than Civ CTP, which of the other companies were even willing to talk to Loki about porting their games? |
| 15:37:33 | Hiraghm | I'm trying to remember what was recently named game of the year. |
| 15:38:03 | Hiraghm | Wasn't Loki doing the port of RTCW? |
| 15:38:12 | CosmicPenguin | If HalfLife / CounterStrike was released for Linux, that would have been a huge sale |
| 15:38:32 | CosmicPenguin | Hiraghm: RTCW is from Id - The only major game company that is anywhere near being linux friendly |
| 15:38:49 | Hiraghm | Doh, that's right. and Id does their own releasing |
| 15:38:58 | Hiraghm | distributing |
| 15:39:11 | Hiraghm | (Sorry, just woke up a bit ago, guess I need caffeine... brb) |
| 15:39:23 | CosmicPenguin | And Id only released a Linux binary - you still had to buy the Windows version for the media |
| 15:40:37 | Hiraghm | Speaking of which, now that they released the source to Quake II, I expect to see a lot of knockoffs pop up in development |
| 15:41:12 | CosmicPenguin | I expect QuakeForge to quickly fill in all of their holes |
| 15:41:35 | Hiraghm | But even with Id still out there, Linux's visibility and acceptability is going to take a hit. |
| 15:41:38 | Hiraghm | QuakeForge? |
| 15:41:56 | CosmicPenguin | But having that engine in the public domain will give a new generation of hackers something to learn from |
| 15:43:14 | CosmicPenguin | Hiraghm: Loki's death was a predictable one... after all, nobody plays games on their computer anyway (not with 3 major game consoles on the market) |
| 15:45:24 | Hiraghm | wonders what that was he was doing for hours on his computer last night |
| 15:45:41 | Hiraghm | I can't figure out why people buy the consoles, especially the X-Box |
| 15:49:10 | CosmicPenguin | Because the consoles are better suited for game play |
| 15:50:25 | CosmicPenguin | Plus, the game makers prefer the consoles, because they can completely control the environment in which you play - |
| 15:59:46 | Hiraghm | ponders another moment |
| 16:00:12 | Hiraghm | I still don't get it. |
| 16:00:30 | Hiraghm | They cost a fortune and are limited in what they can do/how they're played |
| 16:00:45 | CosmicPenguin | Hiraghm: Not so... first of all, they cost much less then your average desktop |
| 16:00:48 | Hiraghm | tries to imagine playing Everquest with a joypad and shudders |
| 16:01:12 | Hiraghm | $299 or so |
| 16:01:40 | CosmicPenguin | Hiraghm: From a parent's point of view - would they rather buy a $299 console that always works, or a $2000 dollar desktop thats a pain the ass? |
| 16:02:07 | Hiraghm | make that $799 |
| 16:02:23 | CosmicPenguin | Bah..... like the $799 desktops are worth anything |
| 16:02:46 | Hiraghm | I saw a Sony at Best Buy the other night that darn near matched my new development system for that 8c( |
| 16:03:04 | CosmicPenguin | Anyway, my point still stands |
| 16:03:24 | Hiraghm | Pentium 4, 256 MB, GeForce 3, 40 gig HD. |
| 16:04:04 | Hiraghm | Yeah, I know they're more expensive. |
| 16:04:25 | Hiraghm | But most folks who have a console also have a computer, nowadays |
| 16:04:46 | CosmicPenguin | Because they had the computer first.... But I'd bet that they wouldn't buy another one |
| 16:12:25 | Hiraghm | ponders a moment |
| 16:12:34 | Hiraghm | you're joking, right? |
| 16:12:50 | Hiraghm | You're saying that people who have a computer won't buy another one? |
| 16:13:12 | CosmicPenguin | Nope... we're all dedicated to killing off the desktop |
| 16:13:28 | CosmicPenguin | Why do you think that Microsoft instituted .NET and started the X-Box? |
| 16:18:09 | Hiraghm | Because Microsoft has a lot of money and wants even more |
| 16:18:20 | Hiraghm | and power over money is more important than money |
| 16:18:23 | Hiraghm | nods wisely |
| 16:18:27 | Hiraghm | waves near ctr |
| 16:18:34 | ctr | hi |
| 16:19:00 | CosmicPenguin | Microsoft might be greedy, but they're not stupid - they wouldn't dump millions of dollars into the game console if they didn't think it would work |
| 16:19:01 | Hiraghm | please don't kill off the desktop until the blankety-blank TV has a higher resolution than a composite monitor. |
| 16:19:17 | Hiraghm | Wonder why Sony came out with a keyboard for the PS2 |
| 16:19:29 | Hiraghm | (I have to admit, the PS/2 would make a sexy desktop computer) |
| 16:20:22 | CosmicPenguin | Hiraghm: Any of the consoles would. Now there is going to be a short battle between the game console makers and the telecom companies to determine where the main home gateway will live |
| 16:20:56 | CosmicPenguin | The telecoms want the gateway to live in a settop box, while the console makers want it to live in the game console |
| 16:21:10 | Hiraghm | please don't kill off the desktop until the blankety-blank TV has a higher resolution than a composite monitor. |
| 16:21:31 | CosmicPenguin | However, the telecoms have a small advantage because they own the pipes |
| 16:25:22 | CosmicPenguin | Just imagine if they stuck a broadband connection on the PS2, and handed out free AOL disks for it |
| 16:26:39 | Hiraghm | shudders |
| 16:26:56 | Hiraghm | tries to imagine a 40-column web browser |
| 16:27:14 | CosmicPenguin | Come on Higram, you know you get better resolution than that |
| 16:27:41 | Morn | hey everyone |
| 16:27:50 | Hiraghm | Huh? You're talking to a guy who's hooked everything from a Vic-20 to an Amiga up to tv sets |
| 16:27:52 | Hiraghm | shudders |
| 16:27:57 | Hiraghm | waves madly near Morn |
| 16:28:25 | Hiraghm | I even had a Windows box hooked up to a tv once. |
| 16:28:30 | Hiraghm | shudders |
| 16:28:40 | Morn | I use my linux box on the TV sometimes |
| 16:28:43 | Morn | it's not bad |
| 16:28:47 | Hiraghm | Now, when HDTV becomes standard... mebbe. |
| 16:28:51 | CosmicPenguin | We get 720 by 568 on our POS settop box |
| 16:29:05 | Morn | I have to keep the resolution at 640x480 but 800x600 is usable |
| 16:29:24 | Hiraghm | you're using the overscan area? |
| 16:29:27 | CosmicPenguin | And thats only because our hardware restricts us |
| 16:29:31 | Hiraghm | or PAL? |
| 16:29:57 | Hiraghm | (and why do you call it a POS if you like it?) |
| 16:30:09 | CosmicPenguin | We get a little better than that on PAl |
| 16:30:15 | CosmicPenguin | And I call it a POS, becuase thats what it is |
| 16:30:34 | Hiraghm | Why's it a PoS? |
| 16:31:03 | CosmicPenguin | Its a early reference board that kinda stuck chips on there just for fun.... our new STB is much better, though |
| 16:53:44 | ctr | point of sale ? |
| 16:54:26 | CosmicPenguin | ctr: sure, what ever you want to call it... :) |
| 16:55:10 | ctr | yeah just checking :) |
| 17:00:04 | prpplague | pattieja: hey guy, which trueFFS version do you use on the DOC? |
| 17:03:52 | pattieja | prpplague: don't remember. Whatever was the latest about 6 months ago |
| 17:05:54 | Hiraghm | ouch |
| 17:06:39 | Hiraghm | I go afk and everyone leaves and comes back. twice |
| 17:06:46 | Hiraghm | wonders if its his deodorant |
| 17:07:05 | Hiraghm | CP, you still here? |
| 17:07:17 | captain_proton | me? |
| 17:07:28 | Hiraghm | nope. |
| 17:07:30 | Hiraghm | Hi though. |
| 17:07:33 | captain_proton | ok :) |
| 17:07:38 | Hiraghm | Cozmik Penguin |
| 17:07:47 | prpplague | pattieja: hmm, thats odd the 5.x series doesn't work |
| 17:15:45 | CosmicPenguin | I am here! |
| 17:16:04 | CosmicPenguin | wonders how you could miss a 6'2, 280 pound penguin |
| 17:17:37 | ctr | depends how fast you run |
| 17:17:50 | CosmicPenguin | lol |
| 17:18:01 | CosmicPenguin | s/run/waddle/ |
| 17:18:18 | ctr | well you would waddle, i personally would run :) |
| 17:19:25 | Hiraghm | I wasn't aiming for you |
| 17:19:55 | Hiraghm | ctr, but you're not a penguin. penguins don't run; it's undignified and puts wrinkles in the tux |
| 17:48:22 | Hiraghm | waves madly near prh |
| 17:54:41 | scanline | is back (gone 09:33:54) |
| 18:10:24 | scanline | is away: lunch + class |
| 19:16:52 | CosmicPenguin | So quiet... quite a difference from the good ol' days of Tuxscreen development.... :( |
| 19:18:29 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: lol, ya well, i'm still stuck in x86 hell |
| 19:18:41 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: Thats not a good hell... |
| 19:23:43 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: no not fun at all |
| 19:24:37 | BZFlag | I'm hacking the zaurus lately. |
| 19:24:49 | BZFlag | hope to make a newer build system that we can use as well. |
| 19:25:00 | BZFlag | one system for multiple targets would be nice. |
| 19:30:14 | captain_proton | BZFlag: is buildroot fixed? |
| 19:34:04 | Hiraghm | waves madly near BZFlag |
| 19:35:17 | Hiraghm | tries real hard to think of something significantly tuxscreen to talk about |
| 19:35:31 | Hiraghm | BZ, you hear about Loki going under? |
| 19:39:15 | BZFlag | Hiraghm: yeah, is it official yet? |
| 19:39:31 | BZFlag | I have not gotten back to buildroot-tux |
| 19:39:40 | BZFlag | hacking on buildroot-oz lately. |
| 19:41:10 | captain_proton | oz? |
| 19:45:50 | Hiraghm | Zaurus |
| 19:46:00 | Hiraghm | BZ, www.linuxgames.org |
| 19:49:33 | captain_proton | got his name on linuxgames.com once :) |
| 20:34:07 | Hiraghm | waves madly near prpplague |
| 20:45:53 | CosmicPenguin | http://www.entertainmentearth.com/prodinfo.asp?number=TYVMP005 |
| 20:46:08 | CosmicPenguin | That's almost a must-buy item |
| 20:46:53 | AlHazWork | hah, a vorpal bunny |
| 20:48:23 | CosmicPenguin | They had me laughing so much I spoiled my armor |
| 20:53:14 | scanline | is back (gone 02:42:49) |
| 21:32:11 | file | BZFlag Are you there? |
| 21:33:10 | BZFlag | yep |
| 21:33:22 | file | can you put a hardrive in a TuxScreen? |
| 21:34:55 | AlHazWork | You can put a microdrive in a tuxscreen, or a pcmcia harddrive if you modify the pcmcia slot for 5v operation |
| 21:35:11 | AlHazWork | might be possible to add an ide port to the board, but easier to use the pcmcia slots |
| 21:35:33 | file | uh huh |
| 21:36:14 | AlHazWork | how much space do you need, anyway? |
| 21:36:28 | file | shrugs |
| 21:36:36 | file | I don't have a Tuxscreen and doubt I ever will :) |
| 21:36:37 | file | I was just asking |
| 21:41:41 | jacques | oz, that's a cool name |
| 22:15:15 | sjm | Is there a simple way to capture a nano-X screen image? |
| 22:17:19 | jacques | hmm, might be able to do it by accessing /dev/fb somehow... |
| 22:20:08 | sjm | jacques: Yeah, I've thought about that. There's also the possibility of using vnc and piping the display to a PC. |
| 22:20:21 | jacques | ah, yes |
| 22:20:46 | jacques | maybe some ppl on #handhelds.org know how? |
| 22:20:59 | sjm | I thought there might be something simple like xwd/xwud? |
| 22:26:01 | jacques | well, those are for x |
| 22:27:30 | sjm | Yes, I realise that :) I meant that *kind* of thing - a simple command line program to grab the screen and save it to an image file |
| 22:29:03 | jacques | hmm, who's the nano-x expert around here? |
| 22:29:58 | CosmicPenguin | me |
| 22:30:35 | CosmicPenguin | wasn't paying attention |
| 22:30:49 | ctr | CP |
| 22:30:57 | ctr | cp is a guru of small x's |
| 22:30:58 | CosmicPenguin | sjm: You want to capture a image on the Tuxscreen or on the desktop? |
| 22:31:28 | sjm | Preferably to the tux |
| 22:34:43 | CosmicPenguin | sjm: Sadly, the only way to capture a screen right now is to hit the print screen key |
| 22:35:13 | CosmicPenguin | but if you give me 20 minutes, I'll write patch and utility for you to do it on the Tux... |
| 22:35:26 | CosmicPenguin | Only problem is, it will have to be in the .bmp format. Ok with you? |
| 22:35:39 | sjm | That's fine. Thanks very much! |
| 22:41:48 | jacques | wow, that's great responsiveness :-) |
| 22:42:07 | sjm | hehe.. Sometimes it helps to ask! |
| 23:11:00 | EGg0_at_work | is back (gone 04:11:49) |
| 23:13:27 | CosmicPenguin | sjm: I miscalculated - give me 40 minutes, you won't need a patch, and it will write in .JPG format instead |
| 23:14:58 | sjm | CosmicPenguin: there's no hurry. I won't be able to test it until I get home anyway - that's another 8 hours away... |
| 23:31:31 | jacques | damn splis |
| 23:31:35 | jacques | splits |
| 23:33:51 | | andersee was last seen on #tuxscreen 6 days, 2 hours, 53 minutes and 35 seconds ago, saying: is away: lunch [Fri Jan 18 20:40:16 2002] |
| 23:33:51 | jacques | ibot: seen andersee |
| 23:38:31 | CosmicPenguin | lol: [lilo] A rotation server has just lost net connectivity. We're investigating. |
| 23:38:40 | CosmicPenguin | [lilo] Note. Our most reliable servers tend to be in the rotation. |
| 23:39:11 | CosmicPenguin | So if our rotation servers are go down, don't hold out any home for our other servers |
| 23:39:29 | CosmicPenguin | s/home/hope/ |
| 23:40:03 | file | hrms |
| 23:40:05 | file | 15cm of snow... bah |
| 23:47:20 | | jacques: Something failed in connecting to the NOAA web server. Try again later. |
| 23:47:20 | jacques | ibot: weather ksjc |
| 23:47:28 | | jacques: what? |
| 23:47:28 | jacques | ibot: define later |