| 00:21:31 | Hiraghm | Hi! |
| 00:21:33 | Hiraghm | waves madly |
| 00:21:52 | file | waves so hard he hits Hiraghm in the head |
| 00:21:56 | | niihau, sjm |
| 00:21:56 | sjm | Howdy |
| 00:22:07 | vosque | oi |
| 00:22:09 | Hiraghm | rubs his head |
| 00:22:10 | Hiraghm | Ow |
| 00:22:18 | Hiraghm | so what's gnu tonight? |
| 00:23:37 | vosque | not a whole bunch. |
| 00:28:32 | scanline | is away: food (i suppose they call it that now) |
| 00:30:27 | Hiraghm | I hate going linkdead |
| 00:30:28 | Hiraghm | cries |
| 00:32:56 | Hiraghm | pokes CosmicPenquin, but CosmicPenguin parries! |
| 00:42:39 | Hiraghm | someone should write a Seti@home client for the Tux |
| 00:42:40 | Hiraghm | nods |
| 00:42:47 | vosque | that would be neat. |
| 00:42:56 | vosque | if you email them, I'm sure they'd be willing to provide. |
| 00:45:25 | Hiraghm | lol |
| 00:52:13 | jacques_gone | there goes my POS PACBELL dsl again |
| 00:55:47 | jacques | why not just download the source and compile your own? |
| 00:56:40 | Hiraghm | because jacques |
| 00:56:48 | Hiraghm | because I don't have a cross compiler yet |
| 00:57:20 | Hiraghm | CosmicPenguin thinks it'll be tough to build one, too 8c\ |
| 01:00:42 | jacques | cross compiler between what architectures? |
| 01:03:01 | Hiraghm | Irix and tux |
| 01:12:16 | jacques | Hiraghm: ah, that explains it |
| 01:12:34 | | wot is it about? |
| 01:12:34 | Hiraghm | wot? |
| 01:12:50 | Hiraghm | waves near Keyser |
| 01:12:54 | Hiraghm | waves near Sophie |
| 22:02:28 | | what's up, Hiraghm |
| 22:02:28 | Hiraghm | ibot hi |
| 22:02:32 | Hiraghm | not a lot |
| 22:05:30 | Hiraghm | waves madly near file |
| 22:07:04 | file | waves back |
| 22:25:33 | scanline | is away: I'm busy |
| 22:25:34 | scanline | is back (gone 00:00:00) |
| 22:26:21 | scanline | waves alternately at both Hiraghm and file |
| 22:26:33 | Hiraghm | Hi! |
| 22:26:38 | Hiraghm | waves madly near scanlin |
| 22:26:41 | Hiraghm | waves madly near scanline too |
| 22:26:53 | scanline | hi! |
| 22:27:01 | Hiraghm | I'm busy making hair |
| 22:28:01 | scanline | aren't we all? |
| 22:30:57 | Hiraghm | waves madly near as2 |
| 22:31:13 | Hiraghm | yeah, but I'm using a puter to make hair. most people don't do that. |
| 22:31:15 | Hiraghm | nods sagely |
| 22:31:29 | scanline | hehe |
| 22:31:46 | scanline | hair's harder to make on a computer, but usually faster |
| 22:32:36 | Hiraghm | hm. hope so. |
| 22:32:41 | Hiraghm | been workin on it for 2 days now |
| 22:40:40 | as2 | Have you had too much caffiene Hiraghm? |
| 22:41:48 | Hiraghm | ponders a moment |
| 22:41:49 | Hiraghm | nope |
| 23:05:07 | CosmicPenguin | Did everyone see RMK's message on the arm-linux list re: Input devices? |
| 23:05:31 | AlHazWork | hmm, Maybe. |
| 23:06:13 | CosmicPenguin | Long story short - They're moving the touchscreen subsystems into the Input subsystem |
| 23:06:38 | Hiraghm | okay |
| 23:06:39 | AlHazWork | ah |
| 23:06:40 | Hiraghm | fine by me |
| 23:06:53 | Hiraghm | I hate it when UPS delivers my books and CDs and just leaves them on the porch |
| 23:06:54 | AlHazWork | so they're changing the touchscreen driver again . . . |
| 23:07:45 | CosmicPenguin | AlHazWork: But the intent is to move to a kernel wide standard |
| 23:08:13 | AlHazWork | CosmicPenguin: ok, but how does that jive with the earlier intent to move some of the touchscreen functionality out of the kernel and into userspace |
| 23:08:16 | Hiraghm | I got books I'm smart now! |
| 23:08:23 | Hiraghm | does his, "I got books so I'm smart now" dance |
| 23:08:39 | Hiraghm | jibe |
| 23:08:41 | CosmicPenguin | AlHazWork: calbration will still be handled by the clients, apparently |
| 23:09:29 | Hiraghm | giggles madly |
| 23:10:08 | Hiraghm | "How to be Smart" vol I and II. |
| 23:10:43 | Hiraghm | also got "How not to Look Dumb", 2nd edition |
| 23:11:08 | AlHazWork | CosmicPenguin: so it's going to be in the input layer as a different class of input |
| 23:11:12 | AlHazWork | that makes sense |
| 23:11:33 | CosmicPenguin | AlHazWork: Apparenty... I was forwarded the message in question, and thats what I inferred from it |
| 23:11:59 | Hiraghm | Ooh, cool! They included the suppliment... "How to Look Smart by not Talking about How Smart You Are" |
| 23:12:16 | Hiraghm | (I'm not distracting you guys at all, am I? 8c) |
| 23:12:21 | CosmicPenguin | AlHazWork: New calibration information will be set via an ioctl() call, and a input event message will be sent to all clients so they may rescale if needed |
| 23:12:53 | AlHazWork | *nod* |
| 23:13:02 | Hiraghm | How is that different from how it works now? |
| 23:13:42 | CosmicPenguin | Hiraghm: Well, pre 2.4.13, the calibration was handled by the kernel. Post 2.4.13 each client had individual calibration data |
| 23:15:11 | Hiraghm | what's the point of giving each client calibration data? |
| 23:15:38 | CosmicPenguin | So they can correctly scale the raw input |
| 23:15:52 | Hiraghm | Oh. |
| 23:16:12 | Hiraghm | You mean the client had no knowledge of how to scale the raw input before? |
| 23:16:27 | CosmicPenguin | Hiraghm: No, the kernel scaled it for them |
| 23:16:43 | Hiraghm | (I'm listening to the Riven soundtrack now. Those guys at Cyan are my role-models... sigh) |
| 23:16:54 | Hiraghm | ponders a moment |
| 23:17:00 | Hiraghm | but it did so incorrectly? |
| 23:17:10 | CosmicPenguin | Hiraghm: no |
| 23:17:58 | Hiraghm | While I approve of giving the client as much control as possible... what does this do for us? |
| 23:19:50 | CosmicPenguin | Hiraghm: This will eventually bring us in step with the rest of the kernel... |
| 23:19:56 | Hiraghm | How'm I sposed to learn if I don't ask dumb questions, huh? (reads from page 3 of "How to be Smart" vol I) |
| 23:20:07 | CosmicPenguin | Hiraghm: At some point in the new future, *all* input events will be handled by the input subsystem |
| 23:20:17 | Hiraghm | as they should be |
| 23:20:21 | CosmicPenguin | Hiraghm: exactly |
| 23:20:28 | Hiraghm | nods |
| 23:20:36 | Hiraghm | I wasn't an Amiga developer for nuthin y'know. |
| 23:21:00 | CosmicPenguin | So then we will have /dev/input/mice, /dev/input/keyboard and /dev/input/touchscreen all in the same place, with the same semantics |
| 23:21:04 | Hiraghm | I think Myst III Exile had a better soundtrack than Myst II Riven. |
| 23:21:06 | Hiraghm | nods |
| 23:21:23 | Hiraghm | and /dev/input/stinger_joystick too? |
| 23:21:24 | AlHazWork | I got Riven when it was brand new. Was an xmas gift. |
| 23:21:30 | AlHazWork | I played it for a few weeks |
| 23:21:33 | CosmicPenguin | Hiraghm: yeah |
| 23:21:33 | AlHazWork | got nowhere |
| 23:21:33 | Hiraghm | Me too! |
| 23:21:43 | AlHazWork | Eventually went ahead and found hints online |
| 23:21:47 | Hiraghm | Me too! |
| 23:22:12 | AlHazWork | and was deeply offended that several parts of the game depend on the user to fight the interface rather than intuit the visuals |
| 23:22:18 | AlHazWork | and i never touched it again |
| 23:22:25 | Hiraghm | CosmicPenguin, I raised hell with Gravis because they weren't going to give me dev status to get example source code and docs for drivers for the Stinger |
| 23:22:32 | Hiraghm | Finally got it and the docs/source. |
| 23:22:57 | AlHazWork | Like when you go into this big iron building what has this odd looking cage in it, and you can pull a lever and make it do something. |
| 23:22:57 | Hiraghm | Yeah, pretty much the same here Al.. But Exile was much better I think. |
| 23:23:12 | AlHazWork | Somehow, I wa supposed to figure out that I'm supposed to step sideways in the doorway |
| 23:23:19 | AlHazWork | which is stupid, just plain stupid. |
| 23:23:32 | AlHazWork | because you can't look where you're supposed to walk |
| 23:23:38 | Hiraghm | The books I just got from Amazon.com included "Inside Lightwave", "Game Programming Gems" (vol I and II) and the soundtracks to Riven and Exile. |
| 23:23:56 | Hiraghm | nods |
| 23:24:06 | Hiraghm | I gave up after the gem puzzle. |
| 23:24:41 | Hiraghm | Now there's a real network app... |
| 23:25:22 | Hiraghm | I have 6 CD roms on 5 machines... I need an app where I can put a diff audio cd in each one and play them sequentially. |
| 23:25:26 | Hiraghm | waves madly near ctr |
| 23:26:02 | AlHazWork | it was visually a very pretty game |
| 23:26:10 | AlHazWork | but functionally, I'm insulted. |
| 23:26:20 | AlHazWork | I never played myst, fwiw |
| 23:26:26 | Hiraghm | Oh. |
| 23:26:33 | Hiraghm | You should get Realmyst, then |
| 23:26:49 | Hiraghm | It's Myst, but you can turn 360 degrees like in Exile |
| 23:26:54 | ctr | hi :) |
| 23:27:24 | Hiraghm | Exile is kind of a sequel to Myst, in that there's a guy who wants to kill Atrus for what his kids did. Brad Dourif was great in it. |
| 23:28:37 | CosmicPenguin | Hiraghm: You really had that many problems with Gravis? Did you write the original Stinger driver then? |
| 23:32:33 | Hiraghm | nope |
| 23:32:47 | Hiraghm | I just wanted to write one for Irix |
| 23:33:07 | Hiraghm | Unfortunately a lot of more important stuff came along and it never got done 8c( |
| 23:34:58 | CosmicPenguin | Hiraghm: The Linux stinger driver is really pretty good - Our biggest problem was trying to get hardware answers out of Gravis |
| 23:41:17 | Hiraghm | I got lucky |
| 23:41:37 | Hiraghm | The guy I dealt with (via email) got snippy with me before checking on who I was. |
| 23:41:56 | Hiraghm | So I went over his head, raised hell with *that* guy (who also hadn't checked on who I was) |
| 23:42:21 | Hiraghm | And they promptly jumped through their collective butts to make me stop foaming at the mouth |
| 23:42:44 | Hiraghm | Had the bothered to check who I was, they would have found out that I'm nobody, and I still wouldn't have the info I wanted 8c) |
| 23:44:43 | Hiraghm | Oh, I didn't try to fool them. I just got mad. |
| 23:44:45 | scanline | is away: food (sorta) |
| 23:44:55 | Hiraghm | doesn't think scanline is any kinda food, even sorta |
| 23:45:36 | scanline | hehe.. just a comment on the meal quality |
| 23:45:52 | scanline | bbl |
| 23:52:54 | Hiraghm | waves madly near everyone |