| 00:48:24 | scanline | is back (gone 07:50:29) |
| 01:20:39 | scanline | is away: food, sorta |
| 01:38:57 | as_ | Evnin all. |
| 01:41:56 | scanline | is back (gone 00:21:16) |
| 01:51:48 | | que tal, Hiraghm |
| 01:51:48 | Hiraghm | hi |
| 01:51:56 | Hiraghm | not much |
| 01:52:00 | Hiraghm | I'm frustrated |
| 01:58:41 | Sammy | morning all :) |
| 01:58:45 | Hiraghm | Hi Sammy |
| 01:59:13 | Hiraghm | I'm thinking about building my own plastic injection mold machine thingy |
| 02:00:30 | Sammy | hello Hiraghm |
| 02:00:57 | Sammy | action get's coffee |
| 02:01:10 | Sammy | er :P |
| 02:01:20 | Sammy | get's coffee |
| 02:03:06 | EGg0 | is away: washing dishes. |
| 02:05:46 | Hiraghm | I wanna make my own computer cases, see |
| 02:06:10 | Hiraghm | cool ones, like Apple makes, only these would use intel motherboards |
| 02:06:25 | Hiraghm | intel-based. |
| 02:06:36 | jacques_gone | hi ppl |
| 02:06:47 | | hey, Hiraghm |
| 02:06:47 | Hiraghm | hi |
| 02:06:56 | | i haven't a clue, hiraghm |
| 02:06:56 | Hiraghm | what, ibot? |
| 02:07:01 | Hiraghm | then don't say hey |
| 02:07:39 | Hiraghm | so how's tuxscreen stuff comink? |
| 02:11:41 | Tech | is back.. Hello! ..gone/7h52m19s |
| 02:23:57 | jacques | well thanks to a post on the wiki I got ts working in xfree under 2.4.16 last night |
| 02:24:08 | jacques | but it's a hack at the moment |
| 02:24:12 | jacques | no calibration |
| 02:30:25 | Hiraghm | beams a smile near jacques |
| 02:30:37 | Hiraghm | sorry, was busy searching for info on plastic molding machine thingies. |
| 02:31:00 | Hiraghm | hm. |
| 02:31:20 | Hiraghm | you using microwindows? |
| 02:33:51 | Hiraghm | what'd I say? |
| 02:33:57 | Hiraghm | pokes ibot |
| 02:36:31 | | no idea, file |
| 02:36:31 | file | ibot: cellphone? |
| 02:36:46 | file | bah |
| 02:37:27 | | rumour has it file is a happy Philips Nino user |
| 02:37:27 | Hiraghm | ibot file? |
| 02:37:46 | Hiraghm | Linux on the Nino? |
| 02:40:10 | jacques | Hiraghm: x windows |
| 02:42:34 | EGg0 | is back (gone 00:39:29) |
| 02:44:31 | file | yes yes yes |
| 02:44:35 | file | Linux on the Nino |
| 02:47:23 | Hiraghm | hi Morn |
| 02:47:31 | Hiraghm | jacques, yes, x windows |
| 02:47:31 | Morn | hi |
| 02:47:35 | Morn | just got home, long day |
| 02:47:41 | Hiraghm | comforts Morn |
| 02:47:53 | Hiraghm | jacques ts == tuxscreen or touchscreen? |
| 02:50:47 | jacques | touchscreen |
| 02:51:18 | Hiraghm | jacques, okay. so you don't use a window manager on your tuxscreen? |
| 02:53:28 | jacques | Hiraghm: yes, I use x windows and a window manager |
| 02:56:05 | file | hi CosmicPenguin |
| 02:56:11 | CosmicPenguin | hi file |
| 02:56:28 | file | snow snow snow |
| 02:56:42 | Hiraghm | hi CosmicPenguin |
| 02:56:50 | Hiraghm | jacques, which window manager? |
| 02:56:57 | file | come on... tell me how much snow is coming |
| 02:57:08 | CosmicPenguin | Its good to see talking - I was in here all day today and nobody said a word |
| 02:57:15 | file | hehe |
| 02:57:42 | file | BZFlag: How many Tuxscreen's did you originally have? |
| 02:57:44 | Morn | CosmicPenguin: can you give me a clue when the next release of Pixil is gonna be out? |
| 02:58:20 | jacques | CosmicPenguin: yeah I know what you mean |
| 02:59:01 | CosmicPenguin | Morn: Unfortunately, we had to let most of our development staff go, so Pixil is on the back burner... |
| 02:59:09 | Hiraghm | I would have talked in here earlier had I been in here earlier. |
| 02:59:11 | CosmicPenguin | Morn: It makes me angry, but there is nothing I can do about it |
| 02:59:21 | Hiraghm | wot is Pixil? |
| 02:59:25 | Morn | I'm sorry to hear that |
| 02:59:31 | Hiraghm | jacques, which window manager? |
| 02:59:31 | file | 15-20cm for the next 24 hours |
| 02:59:41 | Hiraghm | just under an inch |
| 02:59:52 | CosmicPenguin | Morn: Did you see the press releases for the Royal Linu@x PDA? |
| 03:00:16 | Morn | looking |
| 03:01:24 | Hiraghm | is typing, he can see his words going out... ?? |
| 03:01:37 | Morn | CosmicPenguin: looks interesting... |
| 03:01:45 | Morn | and cheaper than the iPAQ with WinCE |
| 03:02:00 | Hiraghm | where is this Royal Linu@x PDA? |
| 03:02:03 | Morn | It's too bad though for those of us who already have an iPAQ |
| 03:02:12 | CosmicPenguin | Hiraghm: Wait a sec, getting the URL |
| 03:02:17 | Hiraghm | kay |
| 03:02:23 | | i haven't a clue, hiraghm |
| 03:02:23 | Hiraghm | ibot Pixil? |
| 03:02:30 | Hiraghm | me either, maybe CP will tell us. |
| 03:02:34 | CosmicPenguin | Morn: Anyway, that will be running Pixil. If Royal can sell the first 10,000 of 'em, maybe we can keep Pixil alive |
| 03:02:51 | jacques | Hiraghm: aewm and swm |
| 03:03:11 | Hiraghm | ooh. |
| 03:03:13 | Morn | CosmicPenguin: I'll stay tuned... though you might have a fight with QT/E |
| 03:03:28 | Hiraghm | those work with the tuxscreen? don't spose there are binaries anywhere? |
| 03:03:29 | jacques | now if we could get threads into uclibc, I could use flwm |
| 03:03:44 | Hiraghm | CP vas ist Pixil? |
| 03:03:45 | jacques | Hiraghm: well you need a working X install forst |
| 03:03:51 | Hiraghm | jacques, flwm would rock. |
| 03:04:17 | Hiraghm | jacques and you have that. |
| 03:04:26 | Hiraghm | bounces up and down excitedly |
| 03:04:48 | jacques | except for calibration on the ts |
| 03:05:42 | jacques | currently x is hacked to use the new ts driver |
| 03:06:37 | cpenguin_home | Adds my ISP to my voodoo list |
| 03:06:55 | cpenguin_home | Ok, then, where were we? |
| 03:07:41 | jacques | I plan on working on the calibration over the next couple of nights |
| 03:09:05 | cpenguin_home | Anyone running X 4.2 yet? |
| 03:09:35 | Hiraghm | jacques, so how soon can I port x-based apps? 8c) |
| 03:09:46 | Hiraghm | CP, you were going to post that URL |
| 03:10:09 | cpenguin_home | Hiraghm: You can find out about Pixil at http://embedded.censoft.com |
| 03:10:31 | cpenguin_home | http//www.linuxdevices.com has info about the up and coming Royal Linu@x PDA |
| 03:11:09 | cpenguin_home | (As well as every other linux PDA in existance....) |
| 03:13:00 | cpenguin_home | Morn: Anyway, those of us still around are keeping Pixil going on our own time in hopes that it will be revived |
| 03:13:26 | Morn | Keep me informed |
| 03:13:31 | Morn | I really liked Pixil |
| 03:14:01 | cpenguin_home | Morn: I will. Believe me, I am a huge believe in Pixil... but there really isn't a whole lot of money in PDAs right now... |
| 03:14:23 | Hiraghm | how come? |
| 03:15:09 | cpenguin_home | Hiraghm: Diluted market. |
| 03:15:12 | Hiraghm | I read a little bit about the linux based watch IBM/Seiko (?) are working on. |
| 03:15:55 | cpenguin_home | Hiraghm: Think about it... Say that you get five bucks royalty... Just to pay for two engineers full time for 1 year, you would need to sell 20 or 30 thousand units |
| 03:16:27 | Hiraghm | I just asked is all I did. I just asked. |
| 03:16:31 | Hiraghm | nods |
| 03:16:44 | cpenguin_home | Hiraghm: I'm not trying to be confontational, just stating facts |
| 03:17:11 | cpenguin_home | Does anyone know how many Ipaqs have sold? |
| 03:17:43 | Hiraghm | nope |
| 03:17:51 | Hiraghm | I'm just in a silly mood. |
| 03:20:07 | Hiraghm | I want to build neat-if-weird looking computer cases like Apple has for their machines. |
| 03:20:41 | Hiraghm | anybody know the smallest Pentium/Athlon motherboard I can get? and do it have an AGP slot? |
| 03:20:52 | cpenguin_home | Hiraghm: Roll your own... :) |
| 03:21:10 | Hiraghm | I can't do that. |
| 03:21:13 | Hiraghm | sniffs miserably |
| 03:22:44 | sjm | Is anyone using TinyWidgets on the tux? |
| 03:23:02 | cpenguin_home | sjm: Not that I know of... |
| 03:23:04 | Hiraghm | vas ist? |
| 03:23:39 | sjm | I've just built the X11/libc6 binaries and it looks quite nice. |
| 03:23:56 | Hiraghm | tinywidgets is a widget set? |
| 03:24:08 | cpenguin_home | sjm: Apparenty, we're thinking of different TinyWidgets... URL? |
| 03:24:08 | Hiraghm | or an inappropriately named window mangler? |
| 03:24:10 | sjm | I think I'll try and build a tux image later today |
| 03:24:24 | Hiraghm | cheers sjm |
| 03:24:25 | sjm | Hiraghm: yes, it's a widget set for MicroWindows |
| 03:24:43 | Hiraghm | I wish I could use microwindows on my tux, but the install failed so I use picogui |
| 03:24:46 | cpenguin_home | sjm: Ok, so maybe we *are* talking about the same widget set |
| 03:24:58 | cpenguin_home | Hiraghm: Whadda mean the install failed? Did you ask me why? |
| 03:25:21 | Hiraghm | and I'd like to just code some (whisper it) games under motif and port with minimal changes. |
| 03:25:31 | Hiraghm | CP, I don't remember 8c( |
| 03:25:36 | Hiraghm | I can try again right now if you want me to. |
| 03:25:42 | cpenguin_home | Hiraghm: Motif should run unmodified under familiar |
| 03:25:46 | cpenguin_home | Am I right? |
| 03:25:58 | Hiraghm | uhm... I spose. |
| 03:26:10 | Hiraghm | I think so. |
| 03:26:11 | cpenguin_home | hehehe... you said motif |
| 03:26:21 | Hiraghm | yeah, the window mangler my O2 uses. |
| 03:28:24 | Hiraghm | for the past couple weeks I've been building a gnome head, so my brain is soggy. |
| 03:28:38 | Hiraghm | familar is the flavor of linux on the tux, yes? |
| 03:28:54 | Hiraghm | doh |
| 03:29:12 | CosmicPenguin | damn straight |
| 03:29:27 | Hiraghm | CP, should I try installing microwindows on my tux again? |
| 03:29:27 | CosmicPenguin | Hiraghm: familiar is a Tiny-X based distribution for the Tux |
| 03:29:36 | CosmicPenguin | Hiraghm: If you want, I can give you a hand |
| 03:29:52 | Hiraghm | tiny-x tiny-x tiny-x.... tiny-x == subset of Xfree86? |
| 03:30:02 | sjm | CosmicPenguin: Is there a reason you didn't use TinyWidgets in TinyToe? |
| 03:30:05 | Hiraghm | (really, I'm not this stupid I'm just out of touch) |
| 03:30:06 | | CosmicPenguin: what? |
| 03:30:06 | CosmicPenguin | ibot: tiny-X |
| 03:30:11 | | CosmicPenguin: what? |
| 03:30:11 | CosmicPenguin | ibot: tinyX |
| 03:30:13 | | CosmicPenguin: sorry... |
| 03:30:13 | CosmicPenguin | ibot: tiny X |
| 03:30:14 | | Hiraghm: i'm not following you... |
| 03:30:14 | Hiraghm | ibot tiny-x |
| 03:30:20 | | Hiraghm: huh? |
| 03:30:20 | Hiraghm | ibot, I'm not leading you |
| 03:30:34 | | OK, CosmicPenguin. |
| 03:30:34 | CosmicPenguin | ibot: Tiny X is a very small X server available with the familiar project |
| 03:30:37 | Hiraghm | sjm what is tinytoe? |
| 03:31:09 | Hiraghm | jacques is talking about getting xfree86 to run on the tux |
| 03:31:19 | CosmicPenguin | Hiraghm: So many questions.... TinyTOE is the Tiny Tux Operating Environment |
| 03:31:21 | Hiraghm | (my gnome has huge ears) |
| 03:31:30 | Hiraghm | Oh. |
| 03:31:45 | Hiraghm | do I wanna know what that is? |
| 03:31:47 | Hiraghm | ducks |
| 03:32:00 | Hiraghm | gimme a few minutes to set up my tux/NT box. |
| 03:34:42 | scanline | wonders how you pronounce Lin@x |
| 03:34:51 | Hiraghm | lin axe |
| 03:34:53 | Hiraghm | is how I would |
| 03:35:16 | CosmicPenguin | scanline: We call it Pain-in-my-@x |
| 03:35:28 | Hiraghm | anybody want to see a screen cap of my gnome head? |
| 03:35:42 | Hiraghm | http://www.xtimports.com/data/graphics/gnomeheadcap1.jpg |
| 03:36:04 | Hiraghm | I warn you, it's pretty terrifying |
| 03:36:06 | scanline | CosmicPenguin: hehe |
| 03:36:37 | scanline | Hiraghm: haha.. when you said 'gnome head' i was expecting a screenshot of one monitor running gnome |
| 03:36:44 | Hiraghm | lol |
| 03:37:28 | sjm | Looks a bit like robin williams... |
| 03:37:29 | Hiraghm | heh. I'm busy creating a character in Lightwave to stick in my portfolio |
| 03:37:39 | scanline | sounds fun |
| 03:38:10 | Hiraghm | it was; getting a bit old now, so I'm going to play around with some programming and stuff for a couple days so I don't burn out. |
| 03:44:43 | | CosmicPenguin is guessing that somebody tossed this at RMK, and he accepted it pretty blindly.... |
| 03:44:43 | Hiraghm | CosmicPenguin? |
| 03:44:55 | | Hiraghm: excuse me? |
| 03:44:55 | Hiraghm | that's RKM, ibot |
| 03:44:59 | Hiraghm | RKM |
| 03:45:03 | Hiraghm | Rom Kernel Manual |
| 03:45:16 | | CosmicPenguin: I forgot cosmicpenguin |
| 03:45:16 | CosmicPenguin | ibot: forget CosmicPenguin |
| 03:45:23 | Hiraghm | CosmicPenguin? |
| 03:45:24 | CosmicPenguin | Doh.... |
| 03:45:27 | CosmicPenguin | Hiraghm: Hello |
| 03:45:35 | Hiraghm | I have teraterm up. |
| 03:45:52 | Hiraghm | and I have the nano-x binaries I dled before, but I still need to uuencode them again. |
| 03:46:09 | CosmicPenguin | Hiraghm: Ok |
| 03:46:27 | Hiraghm | what files do I need to download for microwindows? |
| 03:46:48 | CosmicPenguin | Uhh... the microwindows.image from v0.4 |
| 03:46:52 | CosmicPenguin | Don't replace your kernel |
| 03:47:04 | Hiraghm | the new Ipaqs have 64 mb btw, not 32. |
| 03:47:20 | Hiraghm | Don't replace my kernel? But I'm running the picogui kernel |
| 03:47:29 | Hiraghm | hang a sec |
| 03:47:31 | | microwindows is at http://microwindows.org/ |
| 03:47:31 | Hiraghm | ibot microwindows |
| 03:47:34 | CosmicPenguin | Hiraghm: No you aren't - You are running the Linux kernel |
| 03:47:41 | | Hiraghm: sorry... |
| 03:47:41 | Hiraghm | nonono. I need the wiki download page, ibot |
| 03:48:12 | sjm | I recommend you use the blfix kernel - this fixes the touchscreen |
| 03:48:31 | Hiraghm | picogui_0.1-kernel is what I have in my tux dir on the nt box |
| 03:48:36 | CosmicPenguin | But if picogui works, then you should be fine... |
| 03:48:47 | Hiraghm | sjm would love to. there's a binary? |
| 03:48:51 | sjm | yes |
| 03:49:03 | CosmicPenguin | Unless it is running 2.4.13... scanline: What version is the current picogui kernel? |
| 03:50:09 | scanline | CosmicPenguin: I dunno, i haven't had a chance to mess with buildroot lately... |
| 03:50:31 | CosmicPenguin | scanline: Why has GoRK fallen off the face of the earth? Is he OK? |
| 03:51:06 | Hiraghm | CP, in the "latest" subdir of the microwin directory? is that image 0.4? |
| 03:51:17 | scanline | CosmicPenguin: Yeah, he's fine. I've talked to him via email and AIM recently. He was on a vacation for a couple weeks, and recently they stuck him with a really huge project |
| 03:51:27 | CosmicPenguin | Hiraghm: Yep |
| 03:51:39 | CosmicPenguin | scanline: thats good |
| 03:52:23 | sjm | Hiraghm: Just pull the microwin and kernel images from v0.4 - you don't need buildroot |
| 03:52:32 | scanline | i think he said had to have the web site he's working on basically done by today, so hopefully he'll have time for IRC soon |
| 03:52:54 | Hiraghm | I don't see the kernel in that dir |
| 03:53:39 | Hiraghm | tuxscreen kernel from the 0.4 dir, or from the 0.5 dir? |
| 03:53:39 | sjm | tuxscreen-kernel-blfix 871k |
| 03:54:18 | Hiraghm | instead of tuxscreen-kernel, right? |
| 03:54:26 | sjm | yep |
| 03:55:44 | Hiraghm | okay, got tuxscreen-kernel-blfix and microwin-image.jffs2 |
| 03:55:54 | Hiraghm | those all I need? |
| 03:56:20 | sjm | Yep. download and flash them |
| 03:57:47 | Hiraghm | got em downloaded. |
| 03:58:22 | Hiraghm | uuencode -s tuxscreen-kernel-blfix foo, if I recall correctly? |
| 03:59:46 | CosmicPenguin | Oh, oh.... Yo Yo Ma will be playing at the Olympic Opening Ceremonies |
| 04:05:35 | Hiraghm | BZflag left 8c( |
| 04:06:07 | Hiraghm | I forget.. do I download and flash each file or download both then flash both? |
| 04:06:13 | Hiraghm | I assume the former |
| 04:06:14 | sjm | individually |
| 04:07:50 | Hiraghm | waves near as2 |
| 04:09:08 | Hiraghm | so what did that patch fix? the blfix one? something with the backlight? |
| 04:09:26 | sjm | touchscreen, brightness, contrast, blanking... |
| 04:09:30 | Hiraghm | kernel flashed w/o a problem, now downloading the image |
| 04:09:55 | Hiraghm | documented somewhere? |
| 04:10:03 | sjm | mailing list |
| 04:10:28 | Hiraghm | oh, a kind of big question... where's the cross compiler you guys are using? |
| 04:10:40 | | toolchain is at http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/Toolchains |
| 04:10:40 | sjm | ibot: toolchain |
| 04:14:12 | Hiraghm | oboy |
| 04:15:18 | Hiraghm | at least there are instructions for creating a new toolchain |
| 04:16:51 | CosmicPenguin | Hiraghm: don't build your own... you'll be sorry |
| 04:18:16 | Hiraghm | CP, I don't have a choice.. there isn't a cross compiler for Irix yet |
| 04:18:49 | CosmicPenguin | Hiraghm: You're building on Irix? Good luck with all of that |
| 04:19:40 | Hiraghm | why you say that? |
| 04:19:56 | Hiraghm | I got Irix. I don't got Linux right now, and don't plan on having it in the near future. |
| 04:20:39 | Hiraghm | why will I be sorry? |
| 04:20:40 | CosmicPenguin | I guess as long as you have all the GNU glibc, you might be ok.... |
| 04:21:03 | Hiraghm | I use gcc to program for Irix. |
| 04:21:57 | Hiraghm | granted, I don't do a lot of *nix programming... |
| 04:25:05 | Hiraghm | or not |
| 04:25:20 | Hiraghm | sighs, clearly disappointed |
| 04:25:48 | sjm | it didn't work? |
| 04:26:00 | Hiraghm | I flashed the image already but accidently typed during the flash so I'm reflashing just to make sure |
| 04:26:21 | Hiraghm | two keyboards, got em confused |
| 04:26:31 | sjm | I know that feeling...... |
| 04:26:57 | Hiraghm | figured it can't hurt |
| 04:28:51 | Hiraghm | Simcity for the Tuxscreen... how bout it? |
| 04:31:36 | Hiraghm | or... not 8c( |
| 04:31:53 | Hiraghm | okay, flash done.. now just hit reset key, right? |
| 04:32:12 | sjm | just type boot |
| 04:32:18 | Hiraghm | okay |
| 04:32:26 | Hiraghm | boot |
| 04:32:43 | Hiraghm | grins |
| 04:32:50 | Hiraghm | starting kernel, blank line and nothing happens |
| 04:34:20 | Hiraghm | nothing happened |
| 04:34:26 | Hiraghm | apparently it worked not. 8c( |
| 04:34:28 | CosmicPenguin | Nothing at all? |
| 04:34:33 | sjm | can you log in on VT2? |
| 04:35:32 | sjm | or via the serial port? |
| 04:35:45 | Hiraghm | I am connected via com1 serial port on my NT box |
| 04:35:49 | Hiraghm | using Teraterm |
| 04:36:05 | sjm | did you get any kernel boot messages on that box? |
| 04:36:17 | CosmicPenguin | Uhh.... what speed was that kernel built for? |
| 04:36:23 | sjm | 115200 |
| 04:36:28 | Hiraghm | yeah... Starting kernel ..... |
| 04:36:47 | CosmicPenguin | Hiraghm: What speed is your terminal set for? |
| 04:37:48 | Hiraghm | 9600 |
| 04:37:54 | Hiraghm | won't talk to me at 115k |
| 04:38:04 | CosmicPenguin | Hiraghm: But the kernel is talking at 115K |
| 04:38:15 | Hiraghm | I pressed reset switch.. got all the messages for boot at 9600 but not at 115k |
| 04:38:24 | sjm | Press ALT-3 or ALT-4 on the IR keypad.... What do you see? |
| 04:38:40 | CosmicPenguin | Hiraghm: Right... the boot loader is running at 9600, the kernel is running at 115200 |
| 04:39:10 | Hiraghm | nothing |
| 04:39:49 | Hiraghm | is confused |
| 04:39:51 | CosmicPenguin | The kernel should autoboot. Set your terminal for 115200, and reboot the tuxscreen |
| 04:39:54 | Hiraghm | ALT-3 or ALT-4 does nothing |
| 04:40:37 | Hiraghm | no text |
| 04:42:52 | Hiraghm | at 9600 I get all the way to "Starting kernel ..." then it skips a blank line, then nothing |
| 04:43:12 | CosmicPenguin | Hiraghm: Right... because after it skips a blank line, the kernel runs at 115200 baud |
| 04:43:13 | Hiraghm | nothing on tux screen, nothing on terminal window |
| 04:43:44 | Hiraghm | So when does the tuxscreen start running? |
| 04:45:11 | Hiraghm | am I missing something here? |
| 04:45:38 | CosmicPenguin | Hiraghm: You are probably blowing out somewhere in the kernel. If you can switch your terminal to 115k, then we can see some data |
| 04:45:47 | sjm | er... alt-F3, alt-F4 sorry ;) |
| 04:48:10 | Hiraghm | nothing 8c( |
| 04:48:17 | Hiraghm | I'll try |
| 04:48:55 | Hiraghm | okay, at autoboot prompt I switched to 115k. |
| 04:49:49 | Hiraghm | nothing |
| 04:49:56 | Hiraghm | not even Starting kernel... |
| 04:51:10 | Hiraghm | I blame myself |
| 04:51:22 | sjm | humour me - show us what an ls -l on tuxscreen-kernel-blfix |
| 04:53:16 | Hiraghm | tuxscrn.blf 867928 |
| 04:53:27 | Hiraghm | had to rename it cause of good ole dos |
| 04:53:38 | sjm | Oh dear.... Mine is 892148 :) |
| 04:54:59 | CosmicPenguin | DOS... that'll do it |
| 04:55:01 | sjm | Do you have md5sum under Irix? |
| 04:55:34 | Hiraghm | uhm.. dunno. never had cause to look.. gimme a sec to get over there |
| 04:56:54 | Hiraghm | yes |
| 04:57:33 | sjm | Well use it before flashing :) |
| 04:57:40 | CosmicPenguin | Which is more time consuming: Writing a design spec for a web site, or actually coding up the modules? |
| 04:58:06 | Hiraghm | I have it on the O2.. I don't have md5sum on the nt box |
| 04:58:24 | CosmicPenguin | Ah, screw it.... |
| 04:58:43 | sjm | Well, we know the file size is wrong, so there's no point in checking now, |
| 04:59:33 | sjm | You may want to check the fs image too - if the kernel is stuffed, chances are the fs is too.... |
| 05:06:27 | Hiraghm | trying again with fresh download |
| 05:12:53 | CosmicPenguin | Hiraghm: Make sure the sizes match |
| 05:14:59 | Hiraghm | flashing ramdisk |
| 05:16:34 | Hiraghm | I have to warn you |
| 05:19:48 | Hiraghm | if it doesn't work this time, I'm going to cry like a baby (if I can remember how...) |
| 05:19:52 | Hiraghm | waves near BZFlag |
| 05:24:27 | Hiraghm | Waiting for chip to read, status=4 |
| 05:24:32 | Hiraghm | over and over and over and over |
| 05:24:42 | Hiraghm | tuxscreen login |
| 05:24:58 | sjm | I get that a few times, but it stops after a while... |
| 05:25:18 | Hiraghm | she's up and running. thankees muchly |
| 05:25:25 | sjm | Did you get the gui? |
| 05:25:31 | Hiraghm | yop |
| 05:25:33 | sjm | :) |
| 05:25:43 | Hiraghm | it's waiting for me to log in on the terminal window but I don't see why I should |
| 05:25:52 | Hiraghm | ponders thoughtfully |
| 05:25:57 | Hiraghm | I don't even know the root password |
| 05:26:00 | BZFlag | Hiraghm: the waiting message is only on first boot while jffs2 catches up. |
| 05:26:07 | Hiraghm | cheers BZFlag |
| 05:26:14 | BZFlag | none. root no password |
| 05:26:20 | Hiraghm | cheers BZFlag |
| 05:28:25 | Hiraghm | I hit the reset switch... while booting it flashed the message/new call light 3 or 4 times fast |
| 05:28:33 | Hiraghm | but it came up okay. |
| 05:29:17 | Hiraghm | waves near Archer |
| 05:29:23 | Archer | waves back |
| 05:29:37 | Archer | anyone here messed around with microwindows? |
| 05:29:45 | Hiraghm | I just installed it on my tux |
| 05:29:54 | Archer | having a problem |
| 05:30:03 | Hiraghm | points near CosmicPenguin |
| 05:30:12 | sjm | hehe |
| 05:30:20 | Archer | is CosmicPenguin near the pointee |
| 05:30:21 | Archer | ? |
| 05:30:25 | Archer | :-) |
| 05:30:30 | Hiraghm | nope |
| 05:30:36 | Hiraghm | just near the point target 8c)( |
| 05:30:41 | Archer | heh heh |
| 05:31:20 | Archer | my tux isn't happy with me at all |
| 05:31:30 | sjm | No? |
| 05:31:35 | Archer | nope |
| 05:31:43 | Archer | I boot and it freezes |
| 05:32:11 | sjm | How far does it get? Which kernel version? |
| 05:32:58 | Archer | version2 |
| 05:33:10 | sjm | Umm....? |
| 05:33:16 | Archer | it gets to, and i quote, "UCB1200 generic module installed" |
| 05:33:29 | Archer | the kernel that is in version2 for microwindows... |
| 05:33:34 | Archer | my mistake |
| 05:34:11 | Hiraghm | I just installed the generic v0.4 kernel |
| 05:34:12 | Archer | jffs2 version 2.1 |
| 05:34:19 | sjm | Ah. okay |
| 05:34:29 | Hiraghm | with the blfix 8c) |
| 05:34:37 | Archer | ??? |
| 05:34:55 | sjm | Did you build the filesystem? |
| 05:35:13 | Archer | not personally...just got the precompiled binaries |
| 05:35:29 | sjm | Okay, just been through this with Hiraghm :) |
| 05:36:18 | Archer | oh no! is this a bad thing? |
| 05:36:32 | sjm | Get the tuxscreen-kernel-blfix and microwin-image.jffs2 |
| 05:36:40 | sjm | They work well together. |
| 05:36:52 | Hiraghm | yeah, they does |
| 05:37:11 | sjm | Both from the v0.4 directory. |
| 05:37:21 | Hiraghm | uhm... no |
| 05:37:29 | Hiraghm | microwin from the microwin/latest directory |
| 05:37:39 | sjm | It's the same thing... |
| 05:37:53 | Archer | ahhh |
| 05:38:13 | Archer | I will be incommunicado for a lil bit as I send it over and see |
| 05:38:14 | Archer | brb |
| 05:38:18 | Archer | thnks btw |
| 05:38:23 | sjm | np |
| 05:39:04 | Hiraghm | sjm, I didn't see it in the v0.4 dir, though |
| 05:39:15 | sjm | It's there |
| 05:40:19 | BZFlag | http://TuxScreen.net/download/v0.4/ tuxscreen-kernel-blfix |
| 05:42:14 | Hiraghm | waves near scanline |
| 05:42:26 | Hiraghm | pokes BZFlag for making a fibber of him |
| 05:42:29 | Hiraghm | waves near GPSFan |
| 05:42:48 | Hiraghm | BZ... how bout SimCity for the tux? |
| 05:43:04 | BZFlag | Hiraghm: what? it's in the v0.4 directory, just like you said. |
| 05:43:17 | BZFlag | oh, uh like sjm said... |
| 05:43:20 | BZFlag | ;-) |
| 05:43:45 | scanline | waves near Hiraghm |
| 05:44:17 | Hiraghm | BZ... how bout SimCity for the tux? |
| 05:44:27 | Archer | lol |
| 05:44:57 | Archer | any of y'all think framebuffer coding would be a good idea for the tux? |
| 05:45:31 | BZFlag | heh. let's see, a windows box serving with vnc to a tux vnc client should work. ;-) |
| 05:45:51 | Archer | heh |
| 05:45:54 | Archer | not a bad idea |
| 05:49:34 | Hiraghm | ponders thoughtfully |
| 05:49:38 | Hiraghm | don't nee vnc for simcity |
| 05:49:59 | Hiraghm | if a 25mhz amiga can run simcity, a 200 mhz tux should be able to |
| 05:52:38 | Hiraghm | I guess this is not a popular idea |
| 05:53:21 | Archer | I wouldn't be to averse to getting a stripped down version of apache running on it |
| 05:53:34 | sjm | boa is your friend |
| 05:53:38 | Hiraghm | boa? |
| 05:54:24 | Archer | it appears that it is a webserver |
| 05:54:26 | Archer | :-) |
| 05:54:46 | sjm | www.boa.org - We use it in our embedded linux products |
| 05:55:04 | Archer | do you make graphical apps in your products? |
| 05:55:16 | sjm | Only web based stuff |
| 05:56:25 | Archer | I'm contemplating about using a tuxscreen as a dashboard in a concept car |
| 05:56:51 | Archer | contemplating using framebuffer to code the graphics |
| 05:57:02 | Archer | contemplating not using the word contemplating for a long time |
| 05:59:22 | Archer | quite excited about it |
| 05:59:29 | Archer | jumps up and down |
| 06:02:25 | Archer | oh its beutiful |
| 06:02:26 | Archer | it works |
| 06:02:37 | sjm | :) |
| 06:05:11 | Archer | thank you very much for your help |
| 06:05:17 | Archer | have to leave now...messing around with ethernet |
| 06:05:19 | Hiraghm | cheers Archer |
| 06:05:26 | Archer | and only one connection |
| 06:05:28 | Archer | bows |
| 06:05:30 | Hiraghm | yeah, it looks good. |
| 06:05:32 | Hiraghm | I like it |
| 06:05:38 | Hiraghm | would look better with simcity on it |
| 06:05:39 | Archer | see everyone soon |
| 06:05:39 | sjm | Still waiting for my ethernet card :( |
| 06:05:43 | Archer | :( |
| 06:05:45 | Archer | ttyl |
| 06:05:49 | sjm | bye |
| 06:06:02 | BZFlag | Archer should probably be contemplating a brighter display. Though the tux is a cheap proof of concept. |
| 06:06:32 | Hiraghm | well, if it's tucked under the dash where the speedometer should be, it should be sheltered well enough 8c) |
| 06:06:40 | BZFlag | perhaps. |
| 06:07:08 | Hiraghm | but I don't think he should be playing simcity and driving |
| 06:07:12 | Hiraghm | shakes his head |
| 06:07:27 | Hiraghm | ooh.. mule for the tux. yeah. |
| 06:07:30 | Hiraghm | nods vigorously |
| 06:07:44 | BZFlag | hard drivin' would be a better choice? |
| 06:07:52 | Hiraghm | heehee |
| 06:08:16 | BZFlag | with a toggle button on the wheel to switch back and forth. |
| 06:08:32 | Hiraghm | but I didn't mean mule while driving. I just meant.. ooh, mule for the tux |
| 06:08:46 | Hiraghm | I still play simcity on my amiga, that's what made me think of it. |
| 06:08:51 | BZFlag | mule? like the emacs international editor? |
| 06:09:13 | Hiraghm | M.U.L.E. like the Dan Bunten game |
| 06:10:20 | Hiraghm | it's an old game |
| 06:10:29 | Hiraghm | okay, how bout Ms Pacman? |
| 06:11:01 | Hiraghm | hehe.. a version of MAME for the tux, there we go. |
| 06:11:27 | BZFlag | never played mule. |
| 06:11:28 | sjm | Pacman shouldn't be too difficult - a lot like nxsnake really. |
| 06:11:49 | BZFlag | xmame should work fine. I run it on my yopy, that same image should run on the tux. |
| 06:12:20 | Hiraghm | in mule you're a colonist and you get a stake of land and you can mine or farm or generate power with it |
| 06:12:29 | Hiraghm | cheers BZFlag |
| 06:13:13 | Hiraghm | up to 4 players. |
| 06:13:38 | Hiraghm | Dungeon Master |
| 06:13:39 | Hiraghm | nods |
| 06:14:09 | Hiraghm | really? The very same binary? |
| 06:14:16 | BZFlag | wants a multiplayer mindrover, but that would not run on the tux. |
| 06:14:55 | BZFlag | yeah. yopy is a sa1110 and the tux is sa1100 |
| 06:15:30 | BZFlag | just the storage issue. yopy dev unit has 32M flash. need a card or a net for the tux. |
| 06:16:02 | Hiraghm | that'd werk |
| 06:16:16 | Hiraghm | boxin? |
| 06:16:29 | Hiraghm | I'd like to see Koydai Mahjongg ported |
| 06:16:34 | Hiraghm | Kyodai |
| 06:16:40 | Hiraghm | I'd like that. |
| 06:16:45 | Hiraghm | an earlier version |
| 06:19:11 | jacques | need working audio |
| 06:19:18 | Hiraghm | broken audio would do |
| 06:19:32 | jacques | is waiting for a shanip kit so his tuxen can make sounds. |
| 06:19:34 | Hiraghm | the music in the latest version is fantastic of course |
| 06:19:57 | Hiraghm | how's the DSP work coming? anyone making progress? |
| 06:21:38 | sjm | Time to go home, seeya tomorrow... |
| 06:37:22 | Hiraghm | me too. |
| 06:37:23 | Hiraghm | waves |
| 06:41:50 | | andersee was last seen on #tuxscreen 3 days, 10 hours, 1 minutes and 34 seconds ago, saying: is away: lunch [Fri Jan 18 20:40:16 2002] |
| 06:41:50 | jacques | ibot: seen andersee |
| 09:28:01 | sjm_home | Hi all, |
| 09:29:16 | sjm_home | Anyone know why I'm getting a "Cannot bind to named socket" when I try and start nano-X |
| 09:31:22 | sjm_home | If I compile the server into the app, and run the app it works, |
| 09:31:48 | sjm_home | but I cannot run the server first, then start the app... |
| 11:30:46 | fontenot | maybe it's a permissions problem of some sort |
| 11:31:01 | fontenot | perhaps the server is unable to create the named pipe/socket |
| 11:31:06 | file | has no school |
| 11:31:28 | fontenot | or perhaps it's being created but the app does not have the permissions to read/write to it |
| 15:01:53 | EGg0 | is away: school. |
| 15:29:21 | prpplague | morning all |
| 15:44:02 | scanline | is away: breakfast, sorta |
| 16:06:22 | CosmicPenguin | Good morning |
| 16:23:59 | scanline | is away: class |
| 16:28:43 | signal11 | whats up in the land of tux screens |
| 16:44:30 | CosmicPenguin | Wow... quiet, quiet, quiet... |
| 16:44:39 | CosmicPenguin | Did Hirgram ever get his tuxscreen to work? |
| 16:54:36 | CosmicPenguin | Man, sourceforge is struggling today |
| 17:18:38 | CosmicPenguin | making the move to ext3 - bbias |
| 17:29:19 | EGg0 | is back (gone 02:27:23) |
| 17:38:31 | CosmicPenguin | Ahhh.... journaling... :) |
| 17:50:36 | ctr | hrmmmmmmmm |
| 19:36:06 | as_ | Evnin all. |
| 19:41:30 | CosmicPenguin | ello, ello |
| 21:19:31 | CosmicPenguin | Where be everyone today? |
| 21:54:34 | sjm | morning all |
| 22:00:27 | CosmicPenguin | sjm: morning |
| 22:01:31 | sjm | CosmicPenguin: I tried linking TinyWidgets with MicroWindows and uClibc last night - no joy ;( |
| 22:03:27 | file | oh? |
| 22:04:27 | CosmicPenguin | sjm: why not? |
| 22:05:27 | sjm | A couple of things - I had to add a symlink to the microwin dir |
| 22:05:54 | sjm | to get it to compile, but this wrecks ld. |
| 22:07:01 | sjm | It causes ld to segfault. If I remove the symlink, I get lots of errors |
| 22:07:49 | sjm | about undefined functions in uClibc |
| 22:09:10 | sjm | I think it may be a toolchain problem - there are no problems when compiling for x86 and libc6 |
| 22:14:00 | CosmicPenguin | sjm: Use it as part of the buildroot - and remember to use the uclibc wraper |
| 22:15:06 | sjm | CosmicPenguin: I was doing it stand-alone. Not as part of buildroot, but I added the buildroot staging_dir to the start of my path |
| 22:15:29 | sjm | CosmicPenguin: so it should have used the correct tools |
| 22:26:55 | CosmicPenguin | sjm: arm-uclibc-gcc, right? |
| 22:27:07 | sjm | yep |
| 22:27:27 | sjm | compiles fine. Linking dies |
| 22:27:41 | CosmicPenguin | sjm: When ld segfaults, that usually means that you are trying to link different architectures |
| 22:28:11 | CosmicPenguin | what happens when you run file on the uclibc libraries? |
| 22:28:18 | sjm | I initially thought that too, so I recompiled microwindows just to make sure |
| 22:29:04 | sjm | Umm... From memory it tells me it's a ar archive - it's at home, I'm at work :( |
| 22:31:48 | sjm | I can compile microwindows stand-alone (ie. not as part of buildroot) |
| 22:37:13 | file | yawns |
| 22:47:39 | CosmicPenguin | sjm: Ok... the libc libraries *should* be shared objects.... |
| 22:48:01 | CosmicPenguin | sjm: And tinywidgets were compiled as arm binaries as well? |
| 22:52:43 | sjm | CosmicPenguin: Yes. make tnw works, but make demo dies |
| 22:54:43 | scanline | is back (gone 06:30:44) |
| 22:57:45 | CosmicPenguin | sjm: Most weird. The only think I can think is that you have at least 4 different libraries that you are linking - one of them has got to be the culprit |
| 22:59:47 | sjm | CosmicPenguin: Hmm... I rebuilt nano-X and tnW, looking at Make.rules, |
| 23:00:14 | sjm | the only thing I didn't make was the jpeg library. I had to add a |
| 23:00:45 | sjm | path to /usr/lib/... Perhaps I should check that. |
| 23:07:51 | sjm | Yes. Thinkind about it some more, and looking at the microwindows makefile, it makes sense. |
| 23:08:21 | sjm | I think I have included the wrong jpeg library. |
| 23:56:37 | scanline | is away: standing in the room where it rains |
