| 00:10:12 | sjm | GPSFan: Are you interested in schematic fixes? |
| 00:33:24 | GPSFan | sjm: yes |
| 00:34:55 | GPSFan | sjm: what have you got? |
| 00:35:20 | sjm | ucb1200b serial port, both tx and rx are connected to outputs |
| 00:36:06 | sjm | GPSFan: DB9/pin7 should go to U302 pin 7 (currently on R1IN, should be on T2out) |
| 00:36:50 | sjm | GPSFan: DB9/pin2 should go toU302 pin 13 (currently on T2out, should be on R1IN) |
| 00:40:45 | GPSFan | sjm: thanks, since I put my tux back together it's up to other folks to correct my mistakes. I'll have the schematic updated soon. |
| 00:43:11 | sjm | GPSFan: np, you've done a great job. I know how much work has gone into it.... |
| 00:47:23 | GPSFan | sjm: Is this better? http://www.tuxscreen.net/download/schematics/ucb1200b.pdf |
| 00:50:27 | sjm | GPSFan: Yep, wiring looks good, but the date says the 12th :) |
| 00:58:06 | CosmicPenguin | alpha blending is making my head hurt.... |
| 00:58:33 | CosmicPenguin | ctr: Those imlib2 macros work great... I hope raster doesn't mind if we stick 'em in Microwindows... I gave him full credit |
| 00:59:06 | ctr | yep |
| 00:59:09 | ctr | he doesn't mind |
| 00:59:18 | ctr | as long as the (c) stands it's cool |
| 00:59:24 | ctr | remembed thats all you need do |
| 00:59:28 | ctr | as Imlib2 is BSD :) |
| 01:01:23 | CosmicPenguin | ctr: Its all there. I'm headed home now... bye! |
| 01:12:06 | Evanrude | 4->SysInfo:4<- Linux 2.4.17 | Dual AMD Athlon(tm) Processor 1533.404 MHz | Bogomips: 3060.53 | Mem: 845/880M [3|||||||||4|] | Diskspace: 90.01G Free: 56.05G | Procs: 56 | Uptime: 2 mins 59 secs | Load: 0.15 0.08 0.02 | Screen: nVidia Corporation NV15 (GeForce2 Pro) (rev a3)@1600x1200 (24 bpp) | eth0: In: 0.16M Out: 0.04M |
| 01:46:00 | Sammy | morning all |
| 01:48:28 | GPSFan | sjm: that' really wierd, in Orcad, the date is correct, when I print it it's correct, but in the pdf it's wrong. might be a bug in Orcad. I repeated the whole procedure and now it's correct. wierd. |
| 04:22:59 | | BZFlag was last seen on #blob 1 hours, 56 minutes and 32 seconds ago, saying: preping the order tonight. ship tomorrow morning. thanx! [Fri Jan 18 02:26:27 2002] |
| 04:22:59 | jacques | ibot: seen BZFlag |
| 04:23:14 | | andersee was last seen on #tuxscreen 1 days, 3 hours, 18 minutes and 11 seconds ago, saying: cool, how? [Thu Jan 17 01:05:03 2002] |
| 04:23:14 | jacques | ibot: seen andersee |
| 04:23:34 | jacques | does anyone care that buildroot-tux hasn't worked for several days now? |
| 04:30:06 | BZFlag | jacques: I care, I'm just swamped with work stuff. |
| 04:35:26 | jacques | BZFlag: ok. I would like to help but I don't understand what's going wrong. |
| 05:40:15 | jacques | looks bored. |
| 05:49:24 | lfjewett | jacques your the only one I see in here this late.. You must work night shift somewhere? |
| 05:50:12 | jacques | lfjewett: yeah |
| 05:51:47 | lfjewett | Sorry.. I did that for a year last year.. What do you do? |
| 05:52:12 | jacques | I'm a linux sysadmin |
| 05:52:30 | jacques | i generally work between 2 and midnight |
| 05:52:59 | jacques | (PST) |
| 05:53:18 | lfjewett | Ahh.. I had a 10pm to 8am shift.. I work as a Network analyst. |
| 05:53:36 | lfjewett | (read) I sit on my a$$ and point when something breaks. |
| 05:58:51 | jacques | heh :-) |
| 05:59:09 | jacques | im working on backups right now - read boring |
| 06:00:57 | lfjewett | I work for an ISP so large there really is nothing fun to do. Everything is candy coated and supported by contracts.. Wish I could dig my hands into a kernel or Sybase config once in awhile <sigh> |
| 06:01:19 | lfjewett | I guess everyone wants something "just different" than what ever it is they have ehh. |
| 06:01:54 | jacques | yep, the grass is always greener... |
| 06:01:58 | sjm | Not different, just more money :) |
| 06:02:04 | jacques | I am at a very small company |
| 06:02:14 | jacques | only three people in the operations/hosting dept |
| 06:02:34 | lfjewett | WoW |
| 06:02:57 | lfjewett | To give you an idea there are more people in just 1 project of 1 group for me to count. |
| 06:03:28 | lfjewett | but a guess would be about 4,000 in operations.. |
| 06:03:33 | jacques | we have deployed/manage well over 100 linux servers |
| 06:03:50 | lfjewett | and yes sjm MORE MONEY |
| 06:04:37 | lfjewett | Linux hasn't really hit my work much. We use it on a few non critical tasks and they've been looking more and more at it. But we don't get to use linux at all.. |
| 06:04:52 | jacques | we use it for almost everything |
| 06:05:03 | lfjewett | kinda sad. I'd kill for Gnome on my workstation.. CDE and VUE are getting old. |
| 06:05:20 | jacques | most ppl here use win2k/xp on their workstations, but everything else is linux |
| 06:05:31 | jacques | and of course, I have linux on my desktop |
| 06:06:24 | jacques | CDE, heh. |
| 06:06:28 | lfjewett | Yeah, we use Ultra10's and Blade(sp) 100's from SUN and a few old HP workstations too. Do you work for an ISP |
| 06:06:39 | jacques | no, www.activebuddy.com |
| 06:07:22 | lfjewett | What is/are they? ( browser download Java VM can't see page at moment ) |
| 06:07:46 | jacques | ugh those damn ppl in NY |
| 06:08:04 | jacques | i have java disabled in my browser (galeon) and it comes up OK |
| 06:08:20 | lfjewett | No No |
| 06:08:38 | lfjewett | I ment I'm on a 56k and am downloading a JAVA install kit. :-) |
| 06:08:45 | lfjewett | sorry |
| 06:08:52 | jacques | ah OK |
| 06:08:54 | jacques | :-) |
| 06:09:23 | lfjewett | So what is activebuddy |
| 06:09:26 | jacques | the web site is the best explanation, but essentially we make interactive agents for IM (instalt messaging) |
| 06:09:30 | jacques | instant |
| 06:09:54 | jacques | if you are ever on AIM, say hi to SmarterChild |
| 06:10:00 | jacques | you will see what we do |
| 06:10:25 | lfjewett | LOL promise not to laugh at me. |
| 06:10:54 | lfjewett | We (who I work for) owns AIM. |
| 06:11:24 | cory | you work for aol/tw then? |
| 06:11:51 | lfjewett | LOL hello cory.. |
| 06:12:01 | lfjewett | Yes I in fact do. |
| 06:12:20 | jacques | heh |
| 06:12:23 | cory | heh-heh |
| 06:12:26 | cory | I wish I had a job |
| 06:12:44 | lfjewett | Hey now.. I said no laughing! |
| 06:12:59 | cory | "heh-heh" isn't laughing |
| 06:13:06 | jacques | :-D |
| 06:13:06 | lfjewett | Move to Virginia I'll put in a good word for you cory. :-) |
| 06:13:54 | cory | heh |
| 06:14:12 | cory | can't really move without knowing I have a job |
| 06:14:25 | lfjewett | Big company's are nice. (stability in your job) but it does get old and leaves you wanting for the more hands on work.. |
| 06:14:51 | cory | nod |
| 06:14:55 | cory | I've never worked for a big company |
| 06:15:08 | lfjewett | I hear that.. I got here from New Mexico.. but I had a job transfer.. |
| 06:15:36 | lfjewett | This is only the 2nd job I've ever had. first was at a 3 person video store. |
| 06:16:04 | cory | what do you do? |
| 06:17:15 | lfjewett | "Network Analyst" Basicall I monitor the production Database systems and if one fails / isn't working correctly I take steps to ether resolv the issue or escalate it. |
| 06:17:26 | Evanrude | ¢lear |
| 06:17:34 | cory | that sounds like it could get boring |
| 06:17:58 | lfjewett | if nothing breaks I get 10 straight hours of surfing the net. |
| 06:18:29 | lfjewett | and I'm only 2 hops from more OC48's that you can shake a stick at.. Sooo if you like browseing your set. |
| 06:18:41 | lfjewett | O' and there is a ping pong table for the occasional break. |
| 06:18:49 | jacques | lfjewett: then why are you on a 56k line? :-D |
| 06:18:57 | cory | heh |
| 06:19:04 | cory | do ever you do more than just browse? |
| 06:19:05 | lfjewett | But on the flip side there have been days I did not move for 8 straight hours handleing severel things at a time. |
| 06:19:31 | lfjewett | jacques: Cuz I'm married with a 10 month old kid (read BROKE) |
| 06:19:43 | lfjewett | what do you mean? |
| 06:19:50 | jacques | lfjewett: ah |
| 06:20:14 | lfjewett | Actually I'm getting DSL setup this week.. 20 bucks a month (FINALLY!) |
| 06:20:19 | cory | hmm |
| 06:20:20 | cory | not sure |
| 06:20:55 | lfjewett | cory what did you mean other than browse? |
| 06:21:04 | jacques | not bad for dsl at all |
| 06:21:16 | lfjewett | ahh Nope I'm ether working or surfing.. ping pong and dinner time.. |
| 06:22:17 | lfjewett | Nope.. 700kbps downside is it's AOL DSL which means I gotta have the client (windows) up for it to be active |
| 06:22:25 | cory | that's lame |
| 06:23:27 | lfjewett | won't be an issue.. I'll just put some NAT software on my win box downstairs and run ether out to a hub to connect up my linux box's. |
| 06:23:59 | cory | hmm :\ |
| 06:24:42 | sjm | Well my weekend just arrived! Seeya Monday.... |
| 06:24:58 | lfjewett | Hey cory I know AOL get's a bad tech rap, but man they are one company (dot-com) that knows how to make money.. In fact they were the only dot come to make the fortune 500 |
| 06:25:38 | lfjewett | If they keep people inside the client, they keep ad revenue flowing, they keep virus's down, etc. |
| 06:26:17 | lfjewett | Can you imagine the devistation if AOL used MS-Outlook for it's mail client.. Any of the recent worms would have killed the net for sure. |
| 06:27:34 | cory | hmm |
| 06:27:55 | cory | shrugs |
| 06:28:17 | lfjewett | :-) |
| 06:29:11 | lfjewett | Do ether of you know if someone in the tuxscreen project is going to do the extra serial/audio board? |
| 06:29:27 | jacques | did you ask me that before? |
| 06:29:40 | jacques | gork was going to make an audio kit |
| 06:29:49 | jacques | dont think he was planning on oncluding serial |
| 06:30:05 | jacques | tangent made some combo serial/audio boards |
| 06:30:13 | lfjewett | Probably. Yes yes... that is the name you gave me.. I need to catch him on IRC |
| 06:30:19 | jacques | last I heard ppl were talking about a separate serial board |
| 06:30:29 | jacques | unfortunately he hasnt been around in awhile |
| 06:30:34 | | gork was last seen on #tuxscreen 31 days, 4 hours, 32 minutes and 36 seconds ago, saying: hmm it used to be there [Tue Dec 18 01:57:58 2001] |
| 06:30:34 | jacques | ibot: seen gork |
| 06:30:36 | lfjewett | hmm ok.. |
| 06:31:30 | lfjewett | Maybe he left the schematic online I'll look in a bit. (62%) Should be ready to plug my robots brain in next week sometime (knocks on wood) |
| 06:31:50 | jacques | yeah he had the board design on line |
| 06:31:57 | jacques | look at shanip in the wiki |
| 06:33:00 | lfjewett | ok |
| 06:35:55 | jacques | oooooh |
| 06:36:14 | jacques | looks like someone made xfree work with the ts in 2.4.16 |
| 06:36:19 | jacques | i gotta try that out |
| 06:37:10 | lfjewett | I read that today.. I'm waiting for Tiny-X to work without a hitch. |
| 06:37:34 | lfjewett | I'd love to have a touch screen interface on my bot. |
| 06:37:58 | jacques | well what hitches are left? |
| 06:38:11 | jacques | that was the last roadblock AFAIK |
| 06:38:32 | lfjewett | You must get to work from home if your doing this now.. Yes I believe you are correct. |
| 06:38:44 | lfjewett | There is a very detailed HOWTO on the wiki. |
| 06:38:51 | lfjewett | haven't tried it yet. |
| 06:39:08 | jacques | heh, I wrote that HOWTO |
| 06:39:08 | lfjewett | because uClibc wouldn't build. couldn't get past that part. |
| 06:40:06 | jacques | yeah, recent buildroot does not compile |
| 06:40:13 | lfjewett | U R the man. |
| 06:40:22 | jacques | hopefully one of the gurus will get to look at it in the next couple of days |
| 06:40:23 | lfjewett | That isn't fixed yet? :( |
| 06:40:27 | jacques | nope :-( |
| 06:40:47 | jacques | <jacques> does anyone care that buildroot-tux hasn't worked for several days now? |
| 06:40:47 | jacques | --> scanline (micah@aden2-32-dhcp.resnet.Colorado.EDU) has joined #tuxscreen |
| 06:40:48 | jacques | <BZFlag> jacques: I care, I'm just swamped with work stuff. |
| 06:40:52 | lfjewett | can't do the uClibc part of that install till then. then... |
| 06:41:05 | scanline | hears his name |
| 06:41:11 | jacques | you might try an older uclibc if you can find one |
| 06:41:18 | captain_proton | scanline: you're in aden?! |
| 06:41:21 | jacques | sorry scanline - you are a victim of cut and paste |
| 06:41:31 | scanline | hehe, no prob, i was just curious |
| 06:41:37 | scanline | captain_proton: yep, so you're in CU too? |
| 06:41:48 | captain_proton | yeah - bracket :) |
| 06:41:50 | lfjewett | I wish I knew more programming.. Then I could be of use. |
| 06:41:59 | scanline | captain_proton: haha, cool! |
| 06:42:34 | captain_proton | kinda bizzare to meet someone online 1 building over... |
| 06:42:37 | lfjewett | CU? |
| 06:42:41 | scanline | yeah |
| 06:43:05 | scanline | captain_proton: so, you have a tuxscreen, or just interested? |
| 06:43:13 | captain_proton | getting one soon |
| 06:43:16 | scanline | cool |
| 06:43:22 | captain_proton | you? |
| 06:43:42 | scanline | i've got one, but i've been too busy working on picogui recently to do much with it in the last month or two |
| 06:44:05 | jacques | I'm trying now with some older uclibc and busybox I had from dec 10 |
| 06:44:48 | lfjewett | scanline your the guy who maintains picogui stuff for the tux that I read on the Wiki.. |
| 06:46:20 | scanline | lfjewett: I maintain picogui, i haven't had time recently to work on Tux-specific stuff |
| 06:46:26 | lfjewett | jacques.. I have an old uClibc as well.. as soon as download is done (90%) I'll also try.. I'm on the v0.5 kernel and image.. do you know if there are problem with that version? or is that what your on as well |
| 06:46:39 | scanline | lfjewett: and i know the picogui buildroot is broke... GoRK wrote that, and neither him nor i have had time to fix it |
| 06:47:16 | jacques | lfjewett: I am currently running a 1.5 month old cvs buildroot image, not 0.5 |
| 06:47:24 | lfjewett | Ahh I actually hadn't tried it.. I'm building a robot with my Tux. |
| 06:47:44 | jacques | lfjewett: cooool |
| 06:47:47 | lfjewett | and haven't decided on a GUI as of yet for him. |
| 06:48:04 | jacques | i always wanted to build more robots |
| 06:48:11 | scanline | mmmm... robots :) |
| 06:48:15 | jacques | i assembled a hero1 in high school |
| 06:48:19 | lfjewett | This will be my first. |
| 06:48:23 | jacques | wish I still had it |
| 06:48:27 | jacques | tho it wasnt mine |
| 06:48:35 | jacques | they are worth some money now |
| 06:48:38 | lfjewett | Got the body all set up. 2 24v gearheads and the motor controler. |
| 06:48:49 | lfjewett | My entire bot is from scratch. |
| 06:48:57 | lfjewett | Home Depot special |
| 06:49:01 | jacques | yeah, that's the cool way to do it |
| 06:49:07 | jacques | do you weld? |
| 06:49:27 | jacques | what are you using for power? |
| 06:49:54 | lfjewett | And hard.. No The frame is made of Tubed Aluminum. held together with right angle brackets bolted. |
| 06:50:04 | lfjewett | I'm working on that now as a matter of fact. |
| 06:50:38 | lfjewett | the motors will run off of 16 1600mAh "AA" NMHI's and the electronics off 6 4500mAH "C" cells. |
| 06:51:07 | lfjewett | I'm getting some Simple Switcher IC's from national semi for both 3.3 and 5.0 volts. |
| 06:51:25 | jacques | why AA for motors while C for electronics? |
| 06:51:31 | jacques | why not other way around? |
| 06:52:00 | Change | eep, can you draw enough current out of those AAs for the motors? Perhaps a couple of 12v gel-cells would work better, adn be more convenient to charge |
| 06:52:00 | jacques | what about high current motor driver IC's? |
| 06:52:02 | lfjewett | Though someone recently posted to the wiki a DC power supply with Maxim IC's.. Because I need close to 24 Volts for the motors and only 6 for the electronics. C batteries cost $5 or so a peice. |
| 06:52:25 | jacques | ouch |
| 06:52:33 | lfjewett | Change, I have 2 SLA's they are to heavy. |
| 06:53:05 | Change | nods |
| 06:53:05 | lfjewett | and the motor driver's I'm useing 2 TI quad H-bridge chips rated at 1Amp / chanel. in serial |
| 06:53:33 | jacques | cool |
| 06:53:40 | lfjewett | my motors only draw ~ 400mA to 1.2A due to the fact they are 24 volts |
| 06:53:50 | lfjewett | It's been a huge learning curve. |
| 06:54:02 | jacques | have you done any testing to see how long you can run the motors from those AA's? |
| 06:54:09 | lfjewett | The Tux w/LCD is actually one of the biggest power drains. |
| 06:54:21 | ickysneeze | scanline: |
| 06:54:25 | jacques | backlight? |
| 06:54:28 | lfjewett | Nope. haven't even bought them yet.. I only expect 45 min to 1 hour. |
| 06:54:36 | jacques | that's not bad |
| 06:54:45 | jacques | i would be happy with that |
| 06:54:47 | lfjewett | Depending on how much he moves. |
| 06:55:10 | scanline | ickysneeze: ? |
| 06:55:12 | lfjewett | If I could afford it Lithium Ion Batteries at better than 12000mAh's would be my choice. |
| 06:55:32 | lfjewett | but at $16 / battery getting 18 of those is outta the question |
| 06:55:38 | ickysneeze | is away: sleepy time |
| 06:56:02 | jacques | OUCH |
| 06:56:19 | | 288 |
| 06:56:19 | jacques | ibot: 16 * 18 |
| 06:58:38 | lfjewett | scratch that. they were nimh and 24.95 a piece.. got my prices mixed. :( |
| 06:59:12 | | 450 |
| 06:59:12 | lfjewett | ibot: 25 * 18 |
| 06:59:20 | lfjewett | yeah that was the number :-) |
| 07:01:02 | jacques | where did you find the 4500mAH C cells? |
| 07:01:07 | jacques | I can only find 3800 |
| 07:02:31 | lfjewett | aspencer1.com |
| 07:02:34 | lfjewett | click nimh |
| 07:02:40 | jacques | ok |
| 07:02:47 | jacques | wow |
| 07:02:47 | lfjewett | (2) C size NiMH Batteries 4500 mah built to last. Long lasting power from these great C size batteries. I know they`re right for you. |
| 07:03:00 | lfjewett | $13 |
| 07:03:43 | lfjewett | Though I found a similar Set at another site with 3800 that was much less.. I think $6.60 a peice |
| 07:04:38 | lfjewett | I'm going for a runtime of about 1 hour. |
| 07:05:31 | lfjewett | on electronics side I have the tuxCPU, LCD, 2 RISC MCUs, 1 Camera, 1 Sonar, 1 IR, 1 compass, and some misc peices. |
| 07:05:53 | jacques | RISC MCUs? |
| 07:06:00 | jacques | what will they do? |
| 07:06:03 | lfjewett | Micro Controler's. |
| 07:06:18 | lfjewett | All the Low Level control functions and interfaceing with the sensors. |
| 07:06:27 | jacques | ok |
| 07:06:37 | jacques | what are you using for those? |
| 07:06:39 | lfjewett | actually if not for wanting the LCD and more advanced AI I could do the entire bot with a couple MCU's. |
| 07:06:48 | jacques | true |
| 07:07:16 | lfjewett | I'm useing Atmels 8Mhz 8bit MCU's. |
| 07:07:23 | jacques | hmm, my older buildroot builds just fine |
| 07:07:37 | jacques | from about dec 1 |
| 07:07:39 | jacques | dec 11 |
| 07:07:49 | lfjewett | they have 8k of flash 512 bytes of RAM and things like PWM. builds tiny-x? |
| 07:09:03 | jacques | builds itself |
| 07:09:34 | lfjewett | ok |
| 07:09:43 | lfjewett | what happened to the wiki |
| 07:09:48 | lfjewett | tuxscreen.net is umm "different" |
| 07:10:54 | jacques | it is? |
| 07:11:11 | jacques | looks same to me |
| 07:12:16 | lfjewett | LOL go to tuxscreen.net instead of www.tuxscreen.net |
| 07:13:44 | jacques | those look same to me |
| 07:13:48 | jacques | what am I missing? |
| 07:14:26 | lfjewett | It must be my DNS |
| 07:14:38 | lfjewett | I get Tim Rikers Personal home page. |
| 07:15:21 | jacques | hmm |
| 07:15:29 | lfjewett | 166.70.15.250 |
| 07:15:30 | lfjewett | yep |
| 07:15:31 | lfjewett | DNS |
| 07:18:16 | lfjewett | So umm in your instructions. modify buildroot-tux to build the full math library (libm) Where is the file you change this in? |
| 07:19:23 | jacques | in the uclibc patch in the sources dir |
| 07:19:52 | jacques | heh, why is that not specified i wonder |
| 07:19:54 | jacques | hmm |
| 07:20:40 | jacques | heh, I think the problem with buildroot is the Makefile |
| 07:20:47 | jacques | almost positive |
| 07:21:11 | jacques | buildroot-tux/sources/uClibc.patch |
| 07:21:16 | jacques | is the file you need to change |
| 07:21:21 | lfjewett | My .patch file doesn't have those lines. |
| 07:21:45 | lfjewett | grep -i math uClibc.patch = nothing |
| 07:21:54 | lfjewett | Do they get added? |
| 07:22:37 | jacques | yes, they are not there now, you need to add them |
| 07:23:50 | jacques | I am editing the howto now to add that info |
| 07:24:00 | lfjewett | ahh ok.. next step requires 19Megs of downloading... |
| 07:24:09 | lfjewett | I guess I won't be trying with you tonight |
| 07:24:10 | lfjewett | :-) |
| 07:25:08 | jacques | heh |
| 07:25:19 | jacques | the xfree source is not small |
| 07:25:32 | jacques | and it's not modular enough to split out the tinyx stuff |
| 07:25:38 | jacques | believe me i tried |
| 07:30:42 | lfjewett | Well.. Starting step 4 now. |
| 07:30:51 | lfjewett | first 3 went ok :-) |
| 07:31:49 | lfjewett | Do you know how big the tiny-x is? |
| 07:32:29 | jacques | yeah, server is about 700kB |
| 07:32:42 | jacques | server + libs should all fit in < 2MB |
| 07:32:53 | jacques | (not all libs, just the necessary ones) |
| 07:33:27 | captain_proton | has anybody ever experiemented with serial channel 0 on the strongarm? |
| 07:33:45 | jacques | not sure, what is it? |
| 07:33:55 | captain_proton | according to this diagram its USB!?! |
| 07:34:10 | lfjewett | Hmm (nope) |
| 07:34:15 | scanline | finds new ways of killing XFree86 |
| 07:34:23 | captain_proton | i think i may have a project for when mine arrives :) |
| 07:34:23 | jacques | ah, I remember hearing that the version of the strongarm in the tuxscreen has problems with usb |
| 07:34:42 | captain_proton | problems? what sort? |
| 07:34:45 | jacques | the SA in the ipaq works just fine - but remember it's slave mode only |
| 07:34:56 | jacques | so you cannot be a USB host/master |
| 07:35:18 | jacques | problems as in the feature does not work properly in that version of the silicon |
| 07:35:25 | scanline | from what GPSFan told me the USB core in the tux was developed before any USB peripherals were available, so it wasn't debugged (IIRC) |
| 07:35:26 | captain_proton | ugh |
| 07:35:33 | jacques | I have no furthre details :-\ |
| 07:35:56 | jacques | scanline: killing which xfree? on the tux? |
| 07:36:20 | scanline | jacques: no, on my desktop (running xchat :) while debugging some framebuffer code for picogui |
| 07:36:27 | jacques | phew |
| 07:37:08 | scanline | i switched consoles real quick, and X started displaying on my textmode console (incorrectly of course) and the console X was supposed to be on was broke |
| 07:37:35 | jacques | scanline: what's your video card? |
| 07:38:01 | scanline | jacques: Matrox G450 |
| 07:38:12 | scanline | (hopefully soon to be replaced with a Radeon :) |
| 07:38:15 | jacques | hmm that should be stable |
| 07:38:21 | jacques | which radeon? |
| 07:38:30 | scanline | i think it was X's fault, not the framebuffer |
| 07:38:41 | scanline | i think they have a dualhead radeon 7500 (IIRC) |
| 07:39:02 | scanline | i want something that's dualhead, and has good 3D support in linux soon if not now |
| 07:39:11 | scanline | and i'd prefer to get something with open source drivers |
| 07:39:19 | captain_proton | whoa no way...this diagram was made by don hayden... |
| 07:40:02 | captain_proton | feels the world getting smaller |
| 07:40:15 | jacques | yeah if only they would get 3d working on the 8500 |
| 07:40:26 | jacques | i would switch from nvidia |
| 07:40:52 | scanline | if i decide i can live with closed drivers i might get a dualhead Geforce 2MX |
| 07:41:16 | scanline | or maybe a Geforce3 and some cheap PCI card for my second head |
| 07:41:26 | jacques | nod |
| 07:41:35 | captain_proton | gf3's are nice |
| 07:44:33 | scanline | should learn not to run framebuffer programs from X.. |
| 07:44:41 | jacques | he |
| 07:46:08 | lfjewett | <-- needs to learn difference between framebuffer and X :-) |
| 07:46:48 | scanline | well, it's just bad when X and the framebuffer fight over the video card |
| 07:47:06 | lfjewett | nod |
| 07:47:16 | captain_proton | you're not doing this as root are you? |
| 07:47:32 | scanline | occasionally... i have to kill X as root |
| 07:47:42 | captain_proton | i mean running the fb program |
| 07:47:50 | scanline | no |
| 07:48:01 | scanline | but i chmod'ed /dev/fb0 and /dev/tty0 a little :) |
| 07:48:02 | captain_proton | ok good :) |
| 07:48:13 | captain_proton | shakes his head |
| 07:48:24 | scanline | well how else am i supposed to do it? |
| 07:48:35 | jacques | i guess there is no standard way of locking the fb |
| 07:48:35 | captain_proton | use /dev/console and let pam sort it out for you |
| 07:48:52 | scanline | i don't think that works for framebuffers |
| 07:49:56 | captain_proton | it is if you have pam chmod fb0 if console = tty0 |
| 07:50:09 | captain_proton | but it doesn't matter really... |
| 07:50:58 | scanline | well, but i'm doing this from a remote console :) |
| 07:51:03 | scanline | remember, this is debugging :) |
| 07:58:16 | jacques | im gonna head home and try the xfree ts patch |
| 08:09:22 | captain_proton | do you know if the USB problems were with the 1100 processor in general or just a specific batch? |
| 08:09:43 | raymond | Good morning all |
| 08:10:06 | scanline | hi raymond |
| 08:10:21 | raymond | Hi scanline |
| 08:26:04 | scanline | scamline: stop that |
| 08:26:48 | captain_proton | lol |
| 08:50:07 | captain_proton | JFFS2 is R/W right? |
| 08:52:04 | Sammy | yes |
| 08:52:14 | captain_proton | thats what i thought... |
| 09:44:57 | fontenot_ | my dsl is kinda screwed |
| 10:04:18 | | vosque was last seen on #tuxscreen 1 days, 10 hours, 10 minutes and 44 seconds ago, saying: can see it now: "can't...answer....phone...playing...Klonoa" [Wed Jan 16 23:53:34 2002] |
| 10:04:18 | Sammy | ibot: seen vosque ? |
| 10:05:26 | jacques | klonoa |
| 10:05:27 | jacques | ? |
| 10:05:36 | jacques | ibot: search google for klonoa |
| 10:05:39 | | jacques: Google can't find klonoa |
| 10:07:38 | Sammy | jacques: is this http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:TOmb96grhQcC:www.namco.com/games/klonoa_2.html+klonoa&hl=zh-TW ? |
| 10:09:07 | | OK, Sammy. |
| 10:09:07 | Sammy | ibot: klonoa is http://www.namco.com/games/klonoa_2.html |
| 10:09:20 | | klonoa is probably http://www.namco.com/games/klonoa_2.html |
| 10:09:20 | Sammy | ibot : klonoa ? |
| 10:09:50 | jacques | heh, thanks |
| 10:10:25 | Sammy | hello vosque ... |
| 10:12:52 | vosque | that didn't work as well as I thought it would. :) |
| 10:16:26 | Sammy | vosque: is this to correct ? |
| 10:16:31 | | klonoa is http://www.namco.com/games/klonoa_2.html |
| 10:16:31 | Sammy | ibot : klonoa ? |
| 11:59:36 | scanline | is away: ZzZzZzZz.... |
| 13:29:25 | Morn | is away: showering and trying to be human |
| 14:46:59 | Morn | is away: foraging for food... |
| 15:09:47 | Morn | is back (gone 00:22:47) |
| 16:08:56 | prpplague | morning CosmicPenguin |
| 16:09:05 | prpplague | hows life at century this morning? |
| 16:09:12 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: snowy.... |
| 16:09:47 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: lol, got a funny call this morning about tiny term.... |
| 16:10:00 | CosmicPenguin | really? |
| 16:10:10 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: this old lady was complaining it wouldn't work any more... |
| 16:10:24 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: she deleted the icon of the winblows desktop! doh |
| 16:11:09 | prpplague | gee i love dealing with end users..... |
| 16:12:27 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: My mom does that too..... There seems to be something very comforting about the desktop to some people |
| 16:12:36 | CosmicPenguin | brb - omlette and coffee await |
| 16:15:35 | prpplague | dreams of guinness and eggs....... |
| 16:54:51 | prpplague | cool anyone seen the /. post about linux on 802.11b access points |
| 16:55:15 | cory | yep |
| 16:55:20 | cory | only two they've tested it on |
| 16:55:21 | cory | heh |
| 16:56:31 | prpplague | and i thought i had too many this too work on this weekend, now i've got one more |
| 17:02:22 | prpplague | hmm, i wonder where i can get a sram card from |
| 17:09:49 | AlHazWork | looking at that access point thing? |
| 17:09:59 | AlHazWork | I think i have a linear sram card somewhere . . |
| 17:10:05 | AlHazWork | but it's prolly 5v |
| 17:14:18 | prpplague | ya all i have is 5v as well |
| 17:14:28 | prpplague | darn, i've got everything except the card |
| 17:14:41 | prpplague | guess i'll order one and work on it next weekend |
| 17:16:03 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: You would be a hero of mine if you could write a gui based administartor for linux... :) |
| 17:17:30 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: what kinda administrator? |
| 17:18:20 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: we talkin about embedded or desktop stuff? |
| 17:21:40 | ickysneeze | is back |
| 17:24:48 | Morn | hi everyone |
| 17:31:06 | prpplague | morn Morn |
| 17:32:06 | Morn | prpplague: did you see the new reverse dns? |
| 17:32:53 | prpplague | Morn: sorry no |
| 17:33:08 | Morn | do a /whois morn :-) |
| 17:33:45 | prpplague | coooool |
| 17:34:16 | prpplague | did you really buy that or is it spoofed? |
| 17:34:26 | Morn | I registered the domain |
| 17:34:40 | Morn | and since I have my own dedicated IP bank I just set one to it |
| 17:34:49 | prpplague | you are too cool |
| 17:35:00 | Morn | just having fun |
| 17:35:25 | Morn | I'm thinking about doing a web page in dedication to Morn Hyland |
| 17:35:31 | Morn | might take me a while though |
| 17:36:02 | prpplague | Morn: if you have some character pages, i'd like to do the one for angus... |
| 17:36:19 | Morn | no problem, I'll leave that one for you |
| 17:41:37 | CosmicPenguin | Doh - The snow is starting to fall horizontally..... thats never good |
| 17:47:13 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: time to head out to alta/snowbird |
| 17:52:08 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: Yeah..... Get the skiing in now while there still isn't anyone around |
| 17:52:34 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: The problem is, when the storms are like this, the canyons get shut pretty quickly for avalanche control |
| 17:56:49 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yep, been there when thats happened, i skiied the alta/snowbird pass during an almost white out, thought i was gonna die...... |
| 17:59:05 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: Yeah, its a mind bending experience.... :) |
| 18:01:16 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ha, the alta map shows that pass as "permanently closed" |
| 18:02:10 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: Actually, they just opened up the entire back side of Alta / Snowbird. You can actually buy a Alta-Snowbird combined ticket and ski both hills |
| 18:03:26 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: cool, i've not been the alta-snowbird, in 10 years, been taking the cheap trips to new mexico |
| 18:16:45 | prpplague | howdy Sophie |
| 18:17:17 | prpplague | Sophie: you a geekette linux guru like Morn ? |
| 18:17:41 | AlHazWork | Nah, it's a 43 year old florida state trooper |
| 18:17:56 | AlHazWork | male, too. |
| 18:19:18 | prpplague | doh |
| 18:19:38 | Morn | won't comment. |
| 18:20:11 | AlHazWork | :) |
| 18:20:26 | AlHazWork | At least if we were on, say, undernet, that'd be almost guaranteed |
| 18:20:29 | Morn | I'm really frustrated with LinuxDA |
| 18:20:39 | prpplague | i have met more geekette's in the last six months than in the last 10 years |
| 18:20:52 | AlHazWork | Morn: I'm kinda frustrated that they put an application on top of uClinux and then said they made an OS |
| 18:20:57 | AlHazWork | but whatever :) |
| 18:21:13 | Morn | They don't seem to want to respond to my emails |
| 18:21:32 | AlHazWork | Morn: tell 'em you represent a venture capitalist |
| 18:21:36 | Morn | I'm begining to wonder if I'm the only person that actually ordered one of this things |
| 18:21:50 | Morn | s/this/these |
| 18:31:09 | AlHazWork | howdy andersee |
| 18:31:12 | AlHazWork | still in wyoming? |
| 18:32:43 | andersee | Nope, got home a couple days ago |
| 18:35:37 | CosmicPenguin | Morn: you *are* the only person that bought one... I saw the press release... :-) |
| 18:35:49 | Morn | thanks CP |
| 18:36:10 | Morn | I had hoped to use it for development |
| 18:36:19 | AlHazWork | if i wanted to play with LinuxDA, I've got an 8 meg memory card for a PalmIII |
| 18:36:20 | Morn | it turns out that was a pipe dream |
| 18:36:30 | AlHazWork | anybody wanna buy an 8 meg memory card for a palm pilot, by the way? |
| 18:36:34 | CosmicPenguin | What w need is someone to write a legitmate Dragonball emulator |
| 18:36:45 | CosmicPenguin | POSE is ok, but... |
| 18:36:54 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: xcopilot? |
| 18:37:02 | Morn | POSE emulates PalmOS not the cpu |
| 18:37:10 | Morn | so alternate roms don't work well |
| 18:37:19 | AlHazWork | iirc you can run uclinux on xcopilot . .. |
| 18:37:19 | Morn | xcopilot does ok |
| 18:39:25 | CosmicPenguin | Morn: better or worse than POSE? |
| 18:39:55 | Morn | It runs the alternate roms which is good, but isn't as modern in testing PalmOS apps as POSE is |
| 18:40:01 | Morn | so it depends on what you are doing |
| 18:40:23 | Morn | and I've had a hell of a time getting POSE to run reliably on my Mandrake system |
| 18:40:56 | CosmicPenguin | Pose is FLTK based, so that makes it attractive for Microwindows, though I could probably convert an X app in no time at all |
| 19:29:19 | CosmicPenguin | Research from IDC indicates a 45-80 percent lower total cost of ownership (TCO) for Linux on the Intel architecture over RISC/Unix environments. The result is from a study funded by none other than Red Hat. |
| 19:29:43 | CosmicPenguin | Imagine that.... :-) A Red Hat study finds that Red hat is cheaper.... |
| 19:38:40 | andersee | I did a study recently that showed that people that donate over $10,000 to me are far happier then their peers. :) |
| 19:39:37 | andersee | Probably a bit less rigorous then then RedHat/IDG stufy though |
| 20:00:44 | prpplague | lol |
| 20:01:28 | prpplague | well, i've found in my study that people who use software that doesn't suck, are more likely to pay for it.... |
| 20:01:35 | prpplague | lol |
| 20:02:00 | andersee | heh |
| 20:02:37 | andersee | attempts to make freeswan work |
| 20:02:50 | BZFlag | still? |
| 20:03:04 | prpplague | waits for fedex to deliver thin client prototype |
| 20:03:42 | andersee | BZFlag: I got distracted for a while... |
| 20:04:02 | BZFlag | heh |
| 20:04:17 | BZFlag | I'm curious as to what you need this for. |
| 20:04:26 | andersee | BZFlag: I did find that the free win32 pgp stuff does ipsec |
| 20:04:32 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: Microsoft made 1.2 billion last quarter.... |
| 20:04:54 | andersee | BZFlag: that company I was in Wyoming for wants VPN access for workers |
| 20:05:05 | BZFlag | ah |
| 20:05:15 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: and most of it was from investments, not sales... |
| 20:05:31 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: Microsoft is not longer a software company, it is a bank. |
| 20:05:32 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: alot of that was from harassing ppl about unlicensed winblows |
| 20:08:21 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague, andersee: This is of course, all true |
| 20:09:22 | andersee | is starving |
| 20:09:56 | andersee | Time to go kill some food and eat it (not necessarily in that order) |
| 20:10:23 | prpplague | last time i bought a digital camera at best buy, they wanted to give me a copy of windows me, i said sure, took it out of the box right there and broken the cd and handed it back to the clerk, i wish i'd taken a pic with the new camera of the expersion on his face |
| 20:11:02 | | hola, prpplague |
| 20:11:02 | prpplague | Tangent: howdy |
| 20:11:11 | Tangent | prpplague : Hi |
| 20:11:23 | prpplague | Tangent: haven't seen ya around in a awhile |
| 20:11:32 | andersee | prpplague: hahahahaha! LOL! |
| 20:11:33 | prpplague | Tangent: hows the home automation going? |
| 20:12:06 | Tangent | prpplague : Really really slowly right now... |
| 20:12:22 | Tangent | I got a short term contract 150miles from home... |
| 20:12:25 | Tangent | been staying in hotels during the week |
| 20:12:27 | Tangent | only home at weekends |
| 20:12:51 | prpplague | Tangent: doh, sounds like fun, at least you can visit a lot of local pubs |
| 20:14:34 | Tangent | prpplague : I've been staying in my room, playing with laptop |
| 20:15:30 | Tangent | prpplague : My laptop is getting soooo well configured lately |
| 20:18:22 | prpplague | Tangent: no pub crawls? thats a shame |
| 20:19:10 | CosmicPenguin | The last xcopilot.tar.gz file I can find is dated middle of 1998... is that right? |
| 20:21:04 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: no help from me |
| 20:21:10 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: sorry |
| 20:21:50 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: no worries, I was momentarly bored, and I thought I would see what it was all about |
| 20:24:43 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: btw, what were you talking about when you ask about a GUI administrator? |
| 20:27:06 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: to administrate an access point |
| 20:27:33 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: I guess i was just blabbing - I was up until 4:00 this morning, plus I've got a ripping cold |
| 20:27:34 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ohh, yes i agree whole heartedly |
| 20:27:56 | prpplague | hates the orinoco winblows management app |
| 20:28:11 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: apt-get install xcopilot |
| 20:28:40 | prpplague | sometimes i wonder if these ppl ever realize that there are other o/s other there besides winblows |
| 20:29:56 | prpplague | 95% of all of our customers don;t have a single winblows anywhere in the building |
| 20:29:58 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: Uhhh... don't get me into a debian battle here..... |
| 20:31:06 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: so then grab the source from your neighborhood debian mirror. My point is that Debian xcopilot works and is current. |
| 20:31:39 | prpplague | anyone here every burn a vcd ? |
| 20:31:42 | CosmicPenguin | slashdot rumors say that tuxgames is suppost to have the return to castle wofenstein retail, but the site is down |
| 20:31:45 | prpplague | s/every/ever |
| 20:33:26 | andersee | BTW, anybody you see the Linux/Access point link on slashdot today? |
| 20:33:39 | andersee | has busybox + uclibc on it. :) |
| 20:33:46 | prpplague | andersee: ya i ordered a sram card to play with it |
| 20:33:53 | prpplague | andersee: got every thing but the card |
| 20:34:16 | prpplague | andersee: i'm excited about it, we could use that like crazy |
| 20:34:19 | andersee | I have a D-link access point, so I guess I'm out of luck |
| 20:34:36 | prpplague | andersee: ya the dlink's have an arm core |
| 20:35:23 | prpplague | andersee: i tinkered with the idea of playing with the dlink unit, but didn't get around to anything |
| 20:35:44 | prpplague | andersee: DWL-1000ap ?? |
| 20:36:19 | andersee | prpplague: yup |
| 20:36:43 | andersee | prpplague: It was the cheapest one at $150 |
| 20:37:47 | andersee | Russ can also be proud, since it has udhcp on it as well. |
| 20:37:51 | prpplague | andersee: ya, we did a field trial with them, they didn't last too long in rough enviroments |
| 20:40:01 | andersee | My office is pretty benign, and the price was right |
| 20:40:01 | andersee | :) |
| 20:40:16 | andersee | is away: lunch |
| 20:58:04 | CosmicPenguin | Wow... good bye and hello |
| 20:58:20 | CosmicPenguin | but I feel horrible, so I am off.... maybe I'll log on later.. bye all! |
| 21:17:01 | vosque_ | |
| 21:20:35 | EGg0 | is away: I'm reading a book. Do you remember books? |
| 21:45:07 | EGg0_away | is back (gone 00:24:29) |
| 21:52:20 | Hiraghm | waves near everybody |
| 22:49:36 | scanline | is back (gone 10:50:01) |
| 22:59:14 | captain_proton | hey scanline will picogui run in an sdl window? |
| 23:03:58 | scanline | captain_proton: yep |
| 23:05:15 | captain_proton | what CVS modules do i need to build it? |
| 23:32:29 | prpplague | captain_proton: voyager fan? |
| 23:33:06 | scanline | cpatain_proton: (sorry, phone..) |
| 23:33:23 | scanline | captain_proton: you need at least pgserver and cli_c, you probably also want themetools, apps, and ports |
| 23:34:22 | captain_proton | prpplague: no, i came up with this before i ever learned about captain p on that show, and am unwilling to give it up =/ |
| 23:34:54 | captain_proton | scanline: i just grabbed them all - i can start the server and run apps but the default theme is awful - how do i change it? |
| 23:35:16 | scanline | the default theme is no theme :) |
| 23:35:34 | scanline | you can use the "themec" compiler to compile some themes, or download binaries from picogui.org |
| 23:35:47 | scanline | the .ths files are theme source code, the .th files are compiled themes |
| 23:36:23 | captain_proton | ahh figured it out :) |
| 23:36:30 | scanline | :) |
| 23:36:49 | scanline | you can have pgserver load themes on the command line, in the config file, or at runtime |
| 23:37:18 | captain_proton | omnibar segfaults when you click 'applications' |
| 23:37:41 | scanline | omnibar is deprecated |
| 23:37:54 | captain_proton | what takes its place? |
| 23:38:00 | scanline | it's looking for applications, and segfaults when it can't find any... PGL is the new system |
| 23:38:16 | scanline | pgl-toolbar is a toolbar that holds many applets, and pgl-launcher is a launcher applet |
| 23:38:36 | captain_proton | pgl-toolbar: no config file |
| 23:40:51 | scanline | captain_proton: there's a sample config file in the pgl-toolbar directory IIRC |
| 23:41:12 | scanline | carpman still hasn't finished the autoconf stuff for pgl, once that's done it should install pgl automatically and painlessly |
| 23:41:48 | captain_proton | where should this config file go? |
| 23:42:10 | scanline | hmm.. i forget |
| 23:42:14 | scanline | i can look it up |
| 23:42:37 | scanline | at the moment it looks for it in the current directory |
| 23:44:51 | captain_proton | no it looks in /etc/toolbar.conf :) |
| 23:45:00 | scanline | oh, ok :) |
| 23:45:24 | scanline | i've been too busy with the server-side code lately, haven't had time to play with the clients as much |
| 23:46:38 | captain_proton | the <-> button doesn't seem to do anything - whats its purpose? |
| 23:47:17 | scanline | at the moment it doesn't do anything... it used to be a "zoom" button that confusingly rearranged apps. It will be soon reimplemented as a fullscreen toggle |
| 23:47:36 | scanline | I recently completely redid that panelbar widget, and didn't reimplement that button since we're going to change it anyway |
| 23:48:34 | captain_proton | i found a bug - if you resize pterm down just a tiny bit it reduces to 0 |
| 23:48:55 | captain_proton | you probably knew that |
| 23:49:00 | scanline | that's not a bug (or at least it's not supposed to be) |
| 23:49:21 | scanline | clicking on the panelbar 'shades' the app, and it interprets very small drags as clicks |
| 23:49:31 | captain_proton | ahh |
| 23:49:46 | captain_proton | yeah i guess thats not too much of an issue on embedded systems |
| 23:50:55 | scanline | let me know if there's something you think is counterintuitive, it can probably be changed easily |
| 23:51:33 | captain_proton | when you drag a titlebar the window doesn't resize with it - you see an extra titlebar during the process - could be confusing |
| 23:51:48 | scanline | well, there are two modes |
| 23:51:55 | scanline | that's the normal 'sprite' drag mode |
| 23:52:06 | captain_proton | how do you change it? |
| 23:52:06 | scanline | there's also a 'solid' drag mode that resizes the window with the bar |
| 23:52:32 | scanline | you need to have pgserver compiled with support for it (it's in the widget options menu) and enable it with "--dragsolid" on the command line |
| 23:52:46 | scanline | it's much prettier, but too slow for most embedded systems |
| 23:53:27 | captain_proton | perhaps what you could do would be a 'border-only' mode like most older window managers |
| 23:53:50 | captain_proton | when you resize it stops drawing the client area and only shows a border |
| 23:54:21 | scanline | that might work... |
| 23:55:08 | captain_proton | its just that seeing 2 titlebars could throw people off - especially if its on an embedded system and they're used to common windowing systems |
| 23:55:30 | scanline | hmm... |
| 23:55:48 | scanline | how about a mode where it erases the original titlebar while you're dragging it? |
| 23:56:03 | scanline | that would be really easy to implement actually |
| 23:56:14 | captain_proton | sounds good |
| 23:56:55 | captain_proton | would be even better if you alpha blended out the client area :) |
| 23:57:08 | scanline | :) |
| 23:57:17 | scanline | we can do that in some cases.. not panelbar dragging yet |
| 23:57:32 | Hiraghm | waves near BZFlag |
| 23:57:42 | captain_proton | panelbar being the pgl-toolbar? |
| 23:57:56 | scanline | no.. panelbar is the thing with the buttons and app title |
| 23:58:14 | scanline | since they're non-overlapping, picogui calls the apps' container a panel not a window |
| 23:58:23 | Hiraghm | PGL? |
| 23:58:32 | scanline | PGL == PicoGUI Launcher |
| 23:58:37 | Hiraghm | of course I knew this |
| 23:58:40 | Hiraghm | nods |
| 23:58:48 | captain_proton | also the terminal scroll buffer is unlike anything i've ever seen |
| 23:59:01 | scanline | it still needs work |