| 00:00:12 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: What do you need? |
| 00:00:38 | Russ|werk | I need to forward dns requests, and provide resolution for some local names |
| 00:02:51 | CosmicPenguin | dnscache should do it for the forwarding |
| 00:05:18 | scanline | is away: shower |
| 00:05:59 | Russ|werk | CosmicPenguin: right, and I also want to resolve a few local names |
| 00:09:05 | Russ|werk | I'm really not liking they way this guy does things |
| 00:09:35 | Russ|werk | all this svscan crap, -conf programs, build system, etc |
| 00:12:07 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: I don't know about the local names.... I think you would need to stick the dns server along with it.... all I did was do cachingm so I dind't get into the rest... |
| 00:12:16 | CosmicPenguin | but the entire config system sucks rocks... |
| 00:12:22 | Russ|werk | I really don't care much about caching |
| 00:12:37 | Russ|werk | it mainly the passing everything along but a few local names |
| 00:13:08 | Russ|werk | dnrd does what I want, but needs semaphores, which uclibc doesn't have |
| 00:19:00 | andersee | Russ|werk: uClibc/libc/misc/sysvipc/sem.c |
| 00:19:12 | andersee | Does it need something more? |
| 00:20:19 | Russ|werk | it needs sem_post/sem_wait/sem_init |
| 00:20:44 | andersee | ahh |
| 00:20:55 | andersee | notes that in the TODO list |
| 00:21:10 | Russ|werk | its part of libpthread |
| 00:21:16 | Russ|werk | also, semaphore.h |
| 00:21:37 | Russ|werk | its also missing clone |
| 00:21:53 | andersee | I've got clone |
| 00:23:18 | Russ|werk | /usr/arm-linux-uclibc/lib/libpthread.so: undefined reference to `clone' |
| 00:23:46 | Russ|werk | odd |
| 00:23:56 | Russ|werk | I don't see why clone would be missing |
| 00:24:50 | Russ|werk | clone.S didn't build |
| 00:25:19 | Russ|werk | uClibc/libc/sysdeps/linux/arm/Makefile looks like it needs to be fixed |
| 00:25:58 | Russ|werk | when I add it, clone.S doesn't compile |
| 00:27:01 | andersee | hmm |
| 00:27:13 | andersee | Perhaps I missed a spot... |
| 00:27:21 | Russ|werk | its looking for sysdep.h, which isn't available under arm |
| 00:29:10 | Russ|werk | only i386 and arm have clone is would seem |
| 00:32:20 | scanline | is away: food |
| 00:34:36 | andersee | yeah, I havn't done clone yet for anything else |
| 00:37:23 | Russ|werk | and never tested clone for arm? |
| 00:37:50 | andersee | nope |
| 00:38:27 | andersee | I was hacking together a fake/hack libpthread at the time. |
| 00:38:30 | CosmicPenguin | ah, who needs clone() anyway? |
| 00:38:45 | jacques | hi ho |
| 00:39:08 | Russ|werk | just about anything that uses pthreads |
| 00:39:14 | Russ|werk | or semaphores |
| 00:39:31 | Russ|werk | I prefer clone()/semaphores to pthreads myself |
| 00:42:29 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: Doesn't pthreads use clone()/semaphores? |
| 00:45:41 | Russ|werk | not really what I mean |
| 00:45:54 | Russ|werk | when you do multithreading, you can use pthreads, or clone()/semaphores |
| 00:46:20 | Russ|werk | some implementations of pthreads may use clone()/semaphores |
| 00:47:04 | CosmicPenguin | Ah, true..... there is more than Linux x86 in this world.... |
| 01:01:27 | CosmicPenguin | You know you are bored, when you type your name into Google to see how many times you are listed... |
| 01:02:09 | Russ|werk | geez, dnrd static is 400k |
| 01:02:17 | scanline | is back (gone 00:29:57) |
| 01:43:06 | CosmicPenguin | Doh - Lost that E-bay bid at the last minute.... |
| 01:44:27 | BZFlag | CosmicPenguin: bidwatcher is your friend. |
| 01:49:08 | Russ|werk | apt-get installs bidwatcher |
| 05:48:45 | jacques | has ebay become the battle of the automated bidding programs? |
| 06:45:40 | lfjewett | Anyone in here that can help with a compiler problem and uClibc? |
| 07:11:46 | jacques | prehaps |
| 07:11:56 | jacques | what's the problem? |
| 07:17:45 | lfjewett | WoW didn't think anyone was awake. |
| 07:17:58 | lfjewett | I just got my ENV setup and I'm learning C as I go. |
| 07:18:12 | lfjewett | What I've been looking for is Serial IO library for C |
| 07:18:29 | lfjewett | found one called ezV24.. but for the life of me I can't compile that dang test program.. |
| 07:18:56 | lfjewett | I think I narrowed it down to net having snprintf or fcvt in the compiler. |
| 07:19:05 | lfjewett | Just not sure what to do from there.. |
| 07:21:29 | jacques | hmm |
| 07:21:42 | jacques | i though this was going to be a simple xcompiler/uClibc problem |
| 07:22:27 | jacques | remember that functions such as snprintf are not in the compiler, they are in the libraries, such as libc |
| 07:22:42 | jacques | so maybe uClibc does not have all the functions you need |
| 07:23:05 | jacques | or maybe uClibc is being built such that it does not include those functions - it's very comfigurable to optimize for size |
| 07:23:37 | lfjewett | Hmm ok.. I'll keep that in mind.. I found sprintf and have compiled it against uclibc. I have a .o file.. Where do I put that so the compiler will "know" it's there? |
| 07:24:09 | jacques | you'd be better off linking it in with your app |
| 07:24:18 | jacques | just include the .o file in the link line |
| 07:25:57 | lfjewett | Got it.. thanks I'll try again. |
| 07:50:15 | lfjewett | Found the problem uClibc doesn't have fcvt or gcvt in the stdlib.h has /*TODO gcvt.. Guess this is a lost cause. unless anyone has a suggestion? |
| 07:53:45 | jacques | :-\ |
| 07:53:51 | jacques | sorry to hear that |
| 07:54:18 | jacques | what does gcvt do? |
| 07:54:27 | jacques | is it really necessary to your app? |
| 07:55:26 | lfjewett | Well I'm just starting.. but it's required by the Serial IO library |
| 07:56:42 | jacques | gcvt - convert a floating-point number to a string. |
| 07:56:56 | jacques | The gcvt() function converts number to a minimal length |
| 07:56:56 | jacques | NULL terminated ASCII string and stores the result in buf. |
| 07:56:57 | jacques | It produces ndigit significant digits in either printf(3) |
| 07:56:57 | jacques | F format or E format. |
| 07:57:18 | jacques | hmm |
| 07:59:49 | lfjewett | looking at building a version of snprintf that doesn't call the gcvt.. Found one but have to modify the source of library to use it.. |
| 08:01:02 | jacques | yeah |
| 08:01:12 | jacques | if you dont need the functionality it will probably work |
| 08:03:41 | lfjewett | OMG I got it to compile! |
| 08:03:45 | lfjewett | 4 hours.. |
| 08:04:08 | lfjewett | The real question is, will it work :-) |
| 08:04:58 | jacques | yes, that is the question |
| 08:05:11 | jacques | getting it to compile is only the beginning :-D |
| 08:11:27 | lfjewett | The Serial ports on the tux are /dev/ttyS0 right? not /dev/ttySA0 |
| 08:11:58 | jacques | it may depend on which kernel version you are running |
| 08:12:00 | jacques | not positive |
| 08:12:11 | jacques | I'm heading home - might be on from there later |
| 08:12:15 | jacques | good luck to you |
| 08:12:20 | lfjewett | thx |
| 08:15:22 | lfjewett | IT WORKS IT WORKS!! Thx for help jacques. Time for me to hit the sack too :-) |
| 10:26:02 | scanline | is away: ZzZzZzZzzzzz |
| 14:59:06 | prpplague | morning GPSFan |
| 14:59:15 | prpplague | GPSFan: make any progress on your blob? |
| 14:59:19 | GPSFan | morning' |
| 15:00:02 | GPSFan | prpplague: well I got your toolchain, and got it running, and built bllob, and got the same size non working binary. |
| 15:00:45 | prpplague | doh |
| 15:00:57 | GPSFan | prpplague: so I sent a long message to the mailing list describing the problem, and I'll see what people think. |
| 15:01:14 | prpplague | GPSFan: have you killed a chicked and spread the blood around your monitor yet? |
| 15:01:26 | prpplague | s/chicked/chicken |
| 15:02:48 | GPSFan | prpplague: I'm thinking that it may be a revision problem, the sources in tux cvs haven't been touched since august 27, but the patch, and buildroot makefile have been recently tweaked. I've got a couple of chickens & a sheep all lined up just in case ;>) |
| 15:03:19 | prpplague | GPSFan: cool, let me know if you need some toad stool |
| 15:03:50 | GPSFan | thanks, I just might... |
| 15:15:10 | GPSFan | prpplague: doh, I sent the e-mail to the wrong address I must have been real tired last night. ;>P |
| 15:22:51 | CosmicPenguin | Good morning |
| 15:26:42 | prpplague | morning CosmicPenguin |
| 15:27:07 | prpplague | anyone seen andersee around in the last few days? |
| 15:27:22 | | andersee was last seen on #tuxscreen 14 hours, 48 minutes and 55 seconds ago, saying: I was hacking together a fake/hack libpthread at the time. [Tue Jan 15 00:38:27 2002] |
| 15:27:22 | prpplague | ibot: seen andersee |
| 15:28:05 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: He's been doing the C++ thing |
| 15:29:21 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ya i'm forking up the $$ for it |
| 15:34:33 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: Are you going to let him release it? |
| 15:35:08 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yep, that was part of the agreement |
| 15:35:26 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: Ahh...... yesterday he wasn't sure if he could or ont |
| 15:35:47 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i wonder if the contract with the other company came through |
| 15:36:08 | CosmicPenguin | Or maybe he just didn't want to give it to a commercial company first..... |
| 15:36:33 | holden | What C++ thing is this? |
| 15:36:40 | CosmicPenguin | Hey, Alex! |
| 15:36:49 | holden | Jordo. |
| 15:36:58 | CosmicPenguin | holden: C++ support for uclibc..... |
| 15:37:16 | CosmicPenguin | holden: Which of course, would be pretty big for Microwindows and FLNX |
| 15:37:17 | holden | CosmicPenguin: Ooh, that sounds nice. |
| 15:38:07 | holden | CosmicPenguin: How's work going on updating FLNX to a newer FLTK? |
| 15:38:25 | CosmicPenguin | holden: Uhhh..... you mean a newer 1.0.XX or 2.0.XX? |
| 15:38:43 | holden | CosmicPenguin: Either. |
| 15:39:26 | CosmicPenguin | holden: Neither right now.... We really haven't had time to clean up the mess in FLNX 1.0.7, it really doesn't adapt very well to upgrading |
| 15:39:47 | prpplague | sounds like an idiot when he says "whats flnx?" |
| 15:40:16 | holden | CosmicPenguin: I really need to have another go at learning C++ myself now I have some more time. |
| 15:40:36 | holden | prpplague: Microwindows port of FLTK: http://www.fltk.org/ |
| 15:41:16 | prpplague | holden: cool, i didn't know about it, i love fltk, but have gotten my projects to the point of loading a gui |
| 15:43:21 | CosmicPenguin | FLTK has a real love / hate relationship surrounding it... it is very easy to get started, and it makes beautiful (and tiny) binaries... |
| 15:43:32 | CosmicPenguin | but when you get bogged down in the source details, sometimes you want to scream |
| 15:44:11 | CosmicPenguin | holden: You get your tuxscreen yet? |
| 15:44:29 | holden | CosmicPenguin: ordered it Sunday |
| 15:45:13 | holden | CosmicPenguin: Shame the VAT and overseas shipping bump the price up so much... |
| 15:45:17 | CosmicPenguin | holden: sweet! Maybe you'll be able to get around to fixing the touchscreen driver, since I have been so lazy lately |
| 15:46:19 | holden | CosmicPenguin: What needs doing to fix it? |
| 15:47:28 | CosmicPenguin | Well, once upon a time (2.4.10), the UCB1200 kernel touchscreen driver had been around for a long time, and most of the GUI people had written a driver for it.... |
| 15:47:41 | CosmicPenguin | And all was well, the people were happy and they sang... |
| 15:48:22 | CosmicPenguin | Until one day the king (known to all as RMK), decided that we needed a new touchscreen driver. ... |
| 15:48:41 | CosmicPenguin | And lo, there was great knashing of teeth, because none of the GUI drivers worked any longer.... |
| 15:50:03 | holden | CosmicPenguin: Yep, that sounds like RMK alright. I've met him at a couple of conferences; he's not so bad in real life :) |
| 15:52:34 | holden | CosmicPenguin: Had a luvverly argument with him one time where he insisted that my NetWinder ethernet didn't work with the new Tulip driver because I'd broken the hardware. It magically started working again a few releases later... |
| 15:52:54 | CosmicPenguin | holden: Imagine that.... |
| 15:55:12 | prpplague | holden: i've have that problem a lot with the telco frame-relay circuits |
| 15:55:42 | holden | CosmicPenguin: Mind you, I still can't persuade it to come up in 100BT mode; it's doing 10BT full duplex right now. |
| 15:56:51 | prpplague | holden: telco says "ohh there nothing wrong with the line" and magically it starts working about 20 minutes later |
| 15:58:40 | holden | prpplague: heh, ISDN is the same. Talk about heisenburg, the NT1 gets reset when they run the line test so they start working again and BT report that there was never anything wrong with it! |
| 15:58:56 | CosmicPenguin | Whadda mean the software won't compile? It works on my machine.... download it again.... |
| 15:59:13 | CosmicPenguin | Meanwhile, the typing in the background is the guy sticking the new tarball on the website.... |
| 15:59:43 | CosmicPenguin | has been guilty of that before |
| 16:01:22 | prpplague | doh |
| 16:01:23 | prpplague | lol |
| 16:04:08 | raymond | Good afternoon |
| 16:07:21 | Russ | CosmicPenguin: did you see the tslib stuff? |
| 16:08:25 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: Yeah, I'm just lazy I guess.... |
| 16:08:28 | CosmicPenguin | Too much Pixil |
| 16:09:41 | Russ | but you have the rmk email? |
| 16:09:59 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: I'm not on the arm-linux list |
| 16:10:47 | Russ | email? |
| 16:12:03 | CosmicPenguin | my e-mail? jordanc@censoft.com |
| 16:18:44 | holden | Anyone managed to download the tslib? RMKs email points to http://www.arm.linux.org.uk/cvs but I get an "Internal Server Error" for that. From the later message it sounds like it's very overengineered. |
| 16:18:46 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: Thanks |
| 16:35:19 | ctr | hey cp |
| 16:51:32 | CosmicPenguin | hey ctr |
| 17:13:09 | Dr_Xenon | i have a problem with downloading blob into my tuxscreen according to the procedure at /wiki/view/InstallingLinux . If I download at 115k2, I get no happy download dots in the minicom window. If I download at 57k6, I get dots and the message "Received 0 bytes". I'm using minicom 1.83.1 . |
| 17:15:37 | Dr_Xenon | btw, i'm using blob version 2.0.4 . |
| 17:17:24 | GPSFan | Dr_Xenon: flow control off? |
| 17:17:59 | Dr_Xenon | yessir. |
| 17:20:27 | GPSFan | Dr_Xenon: home made or bought null modem cable? |
| 17:22:32 | Dr_Xenon | bought. |
| 17:22:48 | GPSFan | Dr_Xenon: version of uuencode? |
| 17:23:34 | Dr_Xenon | gnu sharutils 4.2.1 |
| 17:26:27 | GPSFan | Dr_Xenon: seems like I remember someone else having this problem just a few days ago. you might search the ibot logs: http://ipaq.secret.org.uk/~timr/ |
| 17:26:48 | GPSFan | Dr_Xenon: seems like I remember someone else having this problem just a few days ago. you might search the ibot logs: http://ipaq.secret.org.uk/~timr/ |
| 17:27:01 | GPSFan | oops ;>P |
| 17:31:03 | Dr_Xenon | thanks. i have a jtag cable too. is the command simply "jflash blob"? |
| 17:32:47 | GPSFan | Dr_Xenon: in the jflash directory ./flash < blob |
| 17:33:56 | GPSFan | Dr_Xenon: are you trying to load the rest of Linux, or trying to re-blob? |
| 17:34:00 | Dr_Xenon | reblob |
| 17:34:18 | GPSFan | did you build blob-2.0.4 from sources? |
| 17:34:47 | Dr_Xenon | i can't remember, but there is good reason to believe that the present blob is broken. |
| 17:34:58 | GPSFan | Dr_Xenon: what size is the bin? |
| 17:35:21 | Dr_Xenon | is that something i can ask blob? |
| 17:35:33 | GPSFan | ls -la blob |
| 17:36:21 | Dr_Xenon | i've got several blobs hanging around; the one in my tux is 2.0.4, and i may have built it from delft sources. |
| 17:36:54 | Dr_Xenon | does the jflash program say anything if it completes successfully? |
| 17:37:49 | GPSFan | Dr_Xenon: I have been having trouble re-building a functional blob2.0.4, it compiles ok but will not run when I download or jtag it. bins from 0.4,0.3 work fine. (for me) |
| 17:39:38 | GPSFan | Dr_Xenon: jflash will tell you if it successfully found the SA1100, and display progress #s, then when done it sends a reset to the Tux, so blob should re-start and signon. if you are at the right baud rate with minicom, you will see the signon message. |
| 17:39:52 | Dr_Xenon | should i use the 0.4 blob image (14054 bytes) unaltered when using jflash? (i.e. ./Jflash < tuxscreen-blob) |
| 17:40:23 | GPSFan | Dr_Xenon: that is jflash will tell you if it doesn't find the SA1100, if successful you will only see the sequence #s |
| 17:40:53 | GPSFan | Dr_Xenon: yes, the 14054 image is known good. |
| 17:41:07 | Dr_Xenon | are sequence #s output in minicom or in the terminal window? |
| 17:41:50 | Dr_Xenon | i get nothing at all when i run ./Jflash < tuxscreen-blob . my minicom is 9600 8N1 . |
| 17:42:05 | GPSFan | in the terminal window that you ran ./flash < blob from. |
| 17:42:24 | GPSFan | ./flash, not ./jflash |
| 17:43:20 | GPSFan | when compiled jflash makes a lot of links that do different things. I don't know if jflash alone will work. |
| 17:43:21 | Dr_Xenon | "failed to read device ID for the SA-1100" |
| 17:43:52 | Dr_Xenon | i'll recheck my jtag wiring (i had to use a breakout box to remap some wires). |
| 17:44:08 | GPSFan | that's progress. |
| 17:44:36 | Dr_Xenon | where's the source code for jflash? |
| 17:45:00 | GPSFan | http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/tuxscreen/jflash/ |
| 17:45:37 | GPSFan | Dr_Xenon: there is a tarball somewhere too. |
| 17:46:35 | GPSFan | http://tuxscreen.net/download/jflash.tgz |
| 17:47:28 | Dr_Xenon | i got the tarball, but it seems to be binaries-only. |
| 17:49:42 | GPSFan | Dr_Xenon: hmm, i can't find the tarball on my system, I may have just sucked down all the sources from the CVS one-at-a-time. |
| 17:52:33 | Dr_Xenon | if i do the buildroot thing, do i get the jflash source? |
| 17:53:17 | GPSFan | Dr_Xenon: I don't think so. I didn't when I did buildroot. |
| 17:53:47 | Dr_Xenon | ok. i'll keep hunting in the irc logs. |
| 18:26:48 | Morn | that was fun |
| 18:27:03 | Morn | the everything went dead for a moment in the neighborhood |
| 18:27:18 | Morn | and solaris seems to refuse to reboot properly after a power outage |
| 18:27:24 | CosmicPenguin | I hate it when my everthing goes dead.... |
| 18:27:25 | Morn | I always have to fsck it by hand |
| 18:31:09 | Morn | the worst part was I had just moved a lot of code around in this program and now I have to redo it |
| 18:57:38 | CosmicPenguin | Morn: Now you'll do it twice as fast... :) |
| 18:59:52 | Morn | yeah |
| 18:59:56 | Morn | I just redid most of it |
| 20:44:03 | | BZFlag was last seen on #blob 17 hours, 47 minutes and 52 seconds ago, saying: I think so, yes. [Tue Jan 15 02:56:11 2002] |
| 20:44:03 | andersee | ibot: seen BZFlag? |
| 22:19:06 | holden | Managed to fix my fax machine. |
| 22:19:21 | CosmicPenguin | holden: Staying up late tonight? |
| 22:19:36 | holden | CosmicPenguin: Probably |
| 22:20:30 | Keyser | howdy. anyone with pcmcia hard drive experience in here? |
| 22:22:00 | Keyser | there's something in linuxrc about hda1, is that for a pcmcia hd? |
| 22:22:53 | holden | Keyser: If the PCMCIA hard disk is the first IDE drive in the system, yes |
| 22:22:59 | Keyser | i did the 5v hack (because the drive is 5v), and I can here it spinning. |
| 22:23:14 | Keyser | holden: okay, great. |
| 22:23:25 | Keyser | how do i know if it's recognized by the system? |
| 22:23:37 | holden | Keyser: Are you running the card services daemon? |
| 22:24:16 | Keyser | don't know. i guess yes, because my PCMCIA NIC is seen at boot, and it works fine. |
| 22:25:00 | holden | Keyser: there should be messages in the logs from the daemon showing that it sees that a removable IDE disk has been inserted when you plug it in |
| 22:26:10 | holden | Keyser: Assuming it can find the relevant module, it will insert it and the module will assign the device a number (hda, hde, something like that). IIRC that will get printed in the log too. |
| 22:26:25 | Keyser | are logs in /var? |
| 22:26:29 | holden | Keyser: What happens if you run fdisk /dev/hda? |
| 22:26:54 | holden | Keyser: Not sure how the tuxscreen distro is set up; probably. |
| 22:27:15 | Keyser | fdisk: no such file or directory |
| 22:28:01 | holden | Keyser: less /dev/hda ? |
| 22:29:28 | Keyser | what's "less"? |
| 22:29:40 | holden | Keyser: less is more ;) |
| 22:30:04 | Keyser | i already tried to cat and vi those files. |
| 22:30:05 | holden | Keyser: Does /dev/hda exist ie. can you see it with ls ? |
| 22:30:08 | Keyser | hda, hda1 |
| 22:30:17 | Keyser | yes, it's there. |
| 22:30:37 | holden | Keyser: what is the exact error when you try to cat it? |
| 22:31:10 | Keyser | no error, a bunch of junk scrolls off the screen. |
| 22:31:42 | holden | Keyser: That's great, the junk is the data on your disk. Can you hear it rattling when you do that? |
| 22:32:01 | Keyser | actually, if i cat it in minicom, i get "ttySA: 1 input overrun(s)" |
| 22:32:11 | Keyser | i can hear the disk spinning the whole time. |
| 22:32:32 | holden | Keyser: That just means you're triying to send too much data down the serial port |
| 22:32:58 | holden | Keyser: Do you already have partitions set up on the disk? |
| 22:33:34 | Keyser | i doubt it. i never formatted the disk, or anything. |
| 22:34:02 | Keyser | but when i cat /dev/hda, i see text, amongst special characters |
| 22:34:19 | holden | Keyser: Do you have a laptop or something with Linux on it which you can use to partition and format it? |
| 22:34:42 | Keyser | nope. i do have a tuxscreen, though, if that counts (i suspect not) |
| 22:34:46 | Keyser | :) |
| 22:35:25 | holden | Keyser: Only problem is, you already told me that your distro doesn't have fdisk, which is the program you need to partition the disk. |
| 22:35:34 | Keyser | i know. |
| 22:35:54 | Keyser | can i install fdisk? or run it remotely off another linux box? |
| 22:35:55 | holden | Keyser: What did the disk use to be, ie. is there perhaps a DOS partition and filesystem already on it? |
| 22:36:19 | Keyser | it is a 170MB Viper hard drive i ordered online |
| 22:36:31 | holden | Keyser: You can install it but I'm not sure offhand where from. You can't run it remotely. |
| 22:36:34 | Keyser | actually, the tux does have some boot messages related to it. |
| 22:36:58 | holden | Keyser: It's worth trying to mount it then. |
| 22:37:03 | Keyser | hda: xxx sectors (171 mb) w/32kib cache... |
| 22:37:09 | holden | Keyser: Do mkdir /mnt/pcmcia |
| 22:37:13 | Keyser | partition check: |
| 22:37:19 | Keyser | hda: hda1 |
| 22:37:25 | holden | Keyser: then mount -t msdos /dev/hda1 /mnt/pcmcia |
| 22:37:53 | holden | Keyser: That means there is one partition, hda1, on it. Chances are it has a msdos filesystem on it. |
| 22:38:29 | Keyser | mount: Mounting /dev/hda1 on /mnt/pcmcia failed: No such file or directory |
| 22:38:57 | holden | Keyser: You did mkdir /mnt/pcmcia first? |
| 22:39:17 | Keyser | hmm. it said (at boot) VFS: Can't find ext2 filesystem on dev ide0(3,1) |
| 22:39:31 | Keyser | LOL. no, i'll do mkdir now. |
| 22:39:36 | holden | Keyser: That's okay, it's probably msdos. |
| 22:40:07 | Keyser | mount: MOunting... on ... failed: no such device |
| 22:40:39 | holden | Keyser: The exact command you typed and the full error message? |
| 22:41:01 | Keyser | mount -t msdos /dev/hda1 /mnt/pcmcia |
| 22:41:22 | Keyser | mount: Mounting /dev/hda1 on /mnt/pcmcia failed: No such device |
| 22:41:48 | holden | Keyser: Do you see rubbish on the screen when you cat /dev/hda1? |
| 22:42:37 | Keyser | yup. and i ctrl-c'd it in time, this time. it says "NO NAME FAT 16", after a bunch of crap. |
| 22:43:46 | holden | Keyser: That's odd. The device is there but mount thinks it isn't... |
| 22:43:58 | holden | Keyser: Try cat /proc/filesystems |
| 22:44:20 | Keyser | oh, shit. i forgot something GPSFan told me about the 5v hack. there is a line i need to edit somewhere, so it knows it's using a 5v card. |
| 22:44:53 | holden | Keyser: Doubt that's the problem if we've got this far. |
| 22:45:10 | Keyser | when i cat /proc/filesystems, i get "nodev" in the first column, or a blank space. |
| 22:46:02 | holden | Keyser: nodev means that filesystem is not associated with a physical device. |
| 22:46:10 | Keyser | in the second column, there is rootfs, bdv, proc, sockfs, tmpfs, pipefs, ext2, ramfs, minix, vfat, nfs, jffs2, reiserfs, devpts |
| 22:46:11 | holden | Keyser: Is msdos in there somewhere? |
| 22:46:19 | Keyser | no msdos |
| 22:46:34 | Keyser | how about vfat? is that like fat16? |
| 22:46:40 | holden | Keyser: Try the same mount command but with vfat instead of msdos |
| 22:46:57 | Keyser | no error message! |
| 22:47:10 | holden | Keyser: woo, ls in /mnt/pcmcia |
| 22:47:18 | Keyser | it's empty |
| 22:47:33 | holden | Keyser: what does cat /proc/mounts say? |
| 22:47:49 | Keyser | but i can copy files to it! |
| 22:47:49 | holden | Keyser: and try running the df command |
| 22:47:56 | Keyser | and then ls them! |
| 22:48:23 | holden | Keyser: you would also be able to do that if the mount had failed though. What does the df say? |
| 22:48:44 | Keyser | it's in /proc/mounts as "/dev/hda1 /mnt/pcmcia vfat rw 0 0" |
| 22:49:00 | holden | Keyser: Excellent, I think we've cracked it. |
| 22:49:20 | holden | Keyser: Next step, do you have mke2fs installed? |
| 22:49:33 | Keyser | when i do df, it says "/dev/hda1 %Lu %Lu %Lu 0% /mnt/pcmcia" |
| 22:50:01 | holden | Keyser: uClibc printf bug, it looks like. |
| 22:50:03 | Keyser | mke2fs: no such file or directory |
| 22:50:27 | holden | Keyser: Oh well, just have to keep on using it as vfat for the moment then. |
| 22:50:54 | Keyser | that's cool by me. i'll pick up a PCMCIA slot for a PC, later on. |
| 22:51:04 | Keyser | do i put the mount in linuxrc? |
| 22:51:08 | Keyser | or somewhere in /etc? |
| 22:51:21 | holden | Keyser: add a line to /etc/fstab |
| 22:52:08 | holden | Keyser: Which looks like "/dev/hda1 /mnt/pcmcia vfat defaults 1 0" but without the quotes. |
| 22:52:38 | Keyser | okay. can "dump" and "pass" be '0', and options be "rw"? |
| 22:52:39 | holden | Keyser: If your init scripts are set up right, it should automatically mount on boot. |
| 22:52:56 | Keyser | ah, i type too slow. i'll do it like you said. |
| 22:53:13 | holden | Keyser: default includes rw |
| 22:54:15 | holden | Keyser: Actually the check field should probably be 0 because you probably don't have fsck.vfat. |
| 22:55:15 | Keyser | so, 0 and 0 at the end? |
| 22:55:23 | holden | Keyser: yep |
| 22:55:45 | Keyser | holden: rebooting now... |
| 22:57:15 | Keyser | something weird happened. it appears to have mounted it on /mnt, instead of /mnt/pcmcia |
| 22:57:36 | Keyser | yep, that's what it says in "df" |
| 22:57:47 | Keyser | but it's right in my /etc/fstab... |
| 22:57:53 | holden | Keyser: I bet the problem is that /mnt/pcmcia doesn't exist in your ramdisk image. |
| 22:58:13 | CosmicPenguin | holden: It should - its a JFFS2 |
| 22:58:18 | Keyser | isn't ramdisk a regular rw jffs2? |
| 22:58:21 | CosmicPenguin | holden: wait, sorry, thats wrong |
| 22:58:46 | Keyser | " /mnt/pcmcia does not exist, though. |
| 22:59:17 | Keyser | i don't know if things in /mnt are non-volatile |
| 22:59:17 | holden | Keyser: If you unmount the pcmcia drive from /mnt, can you see /mnt/pcmcia then? |
| 22:59:55 | Keyser | "umount: /mnt: Device or resource busy" |
| 23:00:06 | Keyser | should i have done "umount /mnt"? |
| 23:00:35 | holden | Keyser: from the / directory, do umount /mnt |
| 23:01:06 | Keyser | that worked :) |
| 23:01:42 | Keyser | yep, pcmcia is back in /mnt |
| 23:02:03 | holden | Keyser: double check the line in /etc/fstab is correct |
| 23:02:51 | Keyser | "/dev/hda1 /mnt/pcmcia vfat defaults 0 0" |
| 23:03:40 | holden | Keyser: That looks right. Not sure what's going on there... |
| 23:05:29 | Keyser | is pcmcia supposed to exist? before it is mounted with the commands in /etc/fstab? |
| 23:05:30 | holden | Keyser: Check there isn't anything in the init scripts which might be mounting /dev/hda1 before it gets to the "mount -a" command. |
| 23:06:09 | holden | Keyser: Since you're using JFFS2, yes it will persist between boots. |
| 23:06:51 | Keyser | there is no "mount -a" in /linuxrc |
| 23:07:10 | holden | Keyser: What mount commands are there? |
| 23:07:33 | Keyser | it does try to mount a jffs off of hda1 in linuxrc? should i comment that out? |
| 23:08:08 | holden | Keyser: Yes. |
| 23:08:27 | holden | Keyser: Where was it trying to mount that to? |
| 23:09:10 | Keyser | "/mnt, it looks like. maybe. |
| 23:09:33 | Keyser | "/bin/mount -t auto /dev/hda1 /mnt" |
| 23:10:07 | holden | Keyser: Ah, auto doesn't mean jffs, it means "figure it out yourself", so that was what was doing it. |
| 23:10:16 | Keyser | so it did mount it? |
| 23:10:20 | holden | Keyser: Change the line from /mnt to /mnt/pcmcia |
| 23:10:58 | holden | Keyser: Yes, but on /mnt which isn't a good idea because you only have room in /mnt for one thing then. |
| 23:11:03 | Keyser | does the stuff in linuxrc mount it, then? because i did a df, and it wasn't there. |
| 23:11:41 | holden | Keyser: After you unmounted it or before? |
| 23:11:56 | scanline | is back (gone 12:45:53) |
| 23:12:22 | Keyser | i thought that before i mounted it at all, that i checked df, and that it wasn't there. |
| 23:13:06 | holden | Keyser: Not sure why that happened but it |
| 23:13:08 | Keyser | it is there, now. when i do df |
| 23:13:13 | holden | seems to be working now |
| 23:13:21 | Keyser | so, does anything need to be in /etc/fstab? |
| 23:13:59 | holden | Keyser: It looks like your system isn't using mount -a but it's best to have the filesystem in /etc/fstab anyway. |
| 23:14:40 | Keyser | okay |
| 23:14:42 | Keyser | thanks |
| 23:14:48 | holden | No problem |
| 23:15:02 | Keyser | BTW, do i need to do anything special to powerdown the tuxscreen? |
| 23:15:14 | Keyser | i've been yanking the power cord everytime. |
| 23:15:39 | holden | Keyser: I don't know the answer to this one because I don't have a tuxscreen yet. Anyone? |
| 23:16:07 | GPSFan | Keyser: if you have other fs's mounted, you should umount them. |
| 23:16:39 | GPSFan | Keyser: the jffs2 is ok, but vfat, etc should be umounted |
| 23:17:17 | Keyser | do i unmount by hand? or is there a script someone i edit, and then a built in command like 'shutdown' runs? |
| 23:18:08 | Keyser | there is a line in inittab that says something about shutdown, and umount -a -r |
| 23:18:54 | holden | Keyser: That sounds like it will unmount everything if you actually shut it down (won't help if you yank the power though) |
| 23:18:59 | Keyser | hehe. "reboot -h" does NOT bring up help |
| 23:19:00 | GPSFan | Keyser: btw, the mount -t auto... line in linuxrc is part of the pivot-root script, which may or may not work. I've never "shutdown" my tux, but always pulled the cord too. I do umount other fs's by hand. |
| 23:19:49 | holden | GPSFan: Safer to get in the habit of always shutting down properly |
| 23:20:31 | Keyser | thinks there must be a command to powerdown, if there is a command to reboot |
| 23:20:37 | Keyser | it seems logical, anyway. |
| 23:20:52 | GPSFan | holden: agreed. |
| 23:21:19 | holden | Keyser: probably nobody has written it for this hardware. Run halt and then pull the power when it says "system halted" |
| 23:21:35 | Keyser | will that do the umount stuff in inittab? |
| 23:22:17 | holden | Keyser: if init and umount -a are working properly, it should. |
| 23:22:36 | Keyser | when i ran halt, it said "system is halted. press <ctrl><alt><del> to kill power" or something like that. |
| 23:22:55 | holden | Keyser: What happened when you hit CTRL-ALT-DEL? |
| 23:23:28 | Keyser | i didn't. i pulled the cord :) |
| 23:23:34 | Keyser | i'm doing it again, now |
| 23:24:04 | Keyser | except i don't see a delete key |
| 23:24:16 | holden | :-/ |
| 23:24:32 | Keyser | arg! no delete key! |
| 23:24:38 | holden | Is the tuxscreen hardware even capable of a standby mode? |
| 23:24:54 | Keyser | <homer> Where's the 'any' key? </homer> |
| 23:25:02 | Keyser | i dunno |
| 23:25:39 | Keyser | i better format that drive jffs2, though. it'll be too easy to forget to 'halt' |
| 23:25:44 | holden | Keyser: Was there a way to put it in standby from Inferno? |
| 23:26:09 | Keyser | you could close all apps, and it would go dark. |
| 23:26:16 | Keyser | i thought it was a screensaver. |
| 23:26:33 | Keyser | because it'd open immediately if you touched the screen, without booting. |
| 23:26:36 | holden | Keyser: Not sure if you can do that with an IDE device. Perhaps ext3 with full data journalling would be more appropriate? |
| 23:26:49 | holden | Keyser: That sounds like a standby mode. |
| 23:26:50 | GPSFan | Keyser: a big power drain is the LCD backlight. |
| 23:27:19 | holden | GPSFan: And they go dim eventually if you leave them running 24*7 |
| 23:27:20 | Keyser | holden: jffs2 isn't for disks? |
| 23:27:36 | holden | Keyser: Journalling FLASH Filesystem |
| 23:27:40 | Keyser | ah |
| 23:28:02 | GPSFan | holden: the tube(s) have a finite lifetime, and they do lose brightness with time. |
| 23:28:26 | Keyser | maybe i can mount the pcmcia HD read-only... |
| 23:29:07 | holden | Keyser: you could do that but you'd have to remember to mount -o remount,rw when you wanted to write to it. |
| 23:29:15 | Keyser | thanks |
| 23:29:19 | Keyser | i gotta go. |
| 23:29:25 | holden | Bye |