| 00:02:15 | jacques | yawns. |
| 00:21:45 | Morn | anyone around? |
| 00:23:12 | scanline | is back (gone 00:24:42) |
| 00:24:04 | scanline | hi, i guess i'm here |
| 00:26:43 | Morn | any idea why I would suddenly get errors linking on solaris? |
| 00:26:57 | Morn | I seem to be missing references to atexit and eviron |
| 00:27:01 | Morn | in crt1.o |
| 00:29:39 | scanline | hmm |
| 00:29:49 | scanline | i don't know anything about solaris :( |
| 00:30:33 | Morn | I think it might be a more general gcc question |
| 00:30:40 | Morn | did I accidently nuke a library I need? |
| 00:37:42 | Morn | russ? |
| 00:40:05 | jacques | looks like you nuked russ too |
| 00:40:18 | Morn | not my day |
| 00:40:22 | jacques | :-\ |
| 00:40:39 | Morn | I'm beating my head against the wall with a java thing too |
| 00:40:48 | Morn | I should just give up and go to bed early |
| 00:41:24 | jacques | so your linking just stopped working all of a sudden? |
| 00:41:42 | Morn | I haven't linked for a while on this machine |
| 00:41:46 | jacques | ah |
| 00:42:05 | Morn | and at one point I was trying to delete some of the sun compiler stuff that was expired |
| 00:42:26 | Morn | I'm afraid I may have delted something important |
| 00:42:26 | Morn | sigh |
| 00:45:09 | jacques | that sounds very possible to me |
| 00:45:40 | Morn | they name the packages so strange |
| 00:45:50 | Morn | it's hard to tell sometimes what belongs to what |
| 01:40:52 | jacques | hi andersee |
| 01:41:48 | andersee | evening |
| 01:41:54 | andersee | Hows it goin? |
| 01:48:37 | Sammy | hello all |
| 01:48:43 | scanline | morning Sammy :) |
| 01:54:41 | jacques | im waiting for soething to happen |
| 01:54:43 | jacques | :-) |
| 01:57:51 | GPSFan | jacques:What new features are in your xchain6 vs xchain2? |
| 01:58:34 | jacques | GPSFan: it's got newer components, but the big feature is a phil blundell patch |
| 01:58:47 | jacques | now i can build xfree with no internal compilre errors |
| 01:58:52 | jacques | never could do that before |
| 01:59:30 | jacques | used to have to ramp down the optimisation on several files to get them to build |
| 01:59:52 | GPSFan | jacques: sweet, should I be able to just replace the /arm directory, or are there things I need to change for tux? |
| 02:00:11 | jacques | you should be able to just replace /usr/local/arm |
| 02:00:20 | jacques | that's what I have done |
| 02:00:30 | jacques | hmm - there may be one include file you need |
| 02:00:38 | jacques | but I think I put that in |
| 02:00:47 | jacques | and it's only needed for building xfree anyway |
| 02:01:15 | GPSFan | jacques: ok, I'll try it, I haven't had any problems with the old version. I even built the unstable branch of busybox with it. |
| 02:02:45 | jacques | cool |
| 02:02:46 | jacques | :-) |
| 02:07:55 | andersee | jacques: so whats this xchain you are discussing? |
| 02:09:11 | jacques | xchain == cross-compilation toolchain |
| 02:09:47 | GPSFan | andersee: it's jacques arm cross compile chain, I was having all sorts of problems with the ones described on the wiki. jacques suggested I try his, and it worked right out of the box. |
| 02:09:57 | jacques | blushes. |
| 02:10:02 | Keyser | andersee: did you get my email, on the mailing list? apparently my buildroot problems are with microwindows AND picogui, since both use jpeg-6b. |
| 02:10:19 | andersee | Keyser: ahh |
| 02:10:26 | Keyser | (not to bug you again, just wanted to let you know it wasn't picogui specific) |
| 02:10:50 | andersee | jacques: link? |
| 02:12:59 | Keyser | http://intimate.handhelds.org/jacques/xchain6-i386.tar.bz2 |
| 02:13:08 | Keyser | was the one jacques gave me, a few days ago. |
| 02:13:20 | GPSFan | andersee: btw, I built both picogui & microwindows with xchain2 with no compile time problems. |
| 02:13:29 | andersee | jacques: Does it have sources? |
| 02:13:44 | andersee | has been doing toolchain stuff all day |
| 02:14:25 | Keyser | GPSFan: did you use buildroot-tux? |
| 02:15:35 | GPSFan | Keyser: yes, an old version. |
| 02:15:43 | Keyser | can't see jacques talking, and starts getting paranoid about his IRC connection again. |
| 02:19:09 | GPSFan | Keyser: my IRC hasen't timed out all day, my ISP fixed their DNS server problems yesterday. |
| 02:19:21 | Soze_Keyser | GPSFan: can i use CVS to get at prior versions? and if so, is there one you'd recommend? |
| 02:19:56 | GPSFan | Soze_Keyser: uhh?? I don't know. |
| 02:20:41 | Sophie | anyone here have a server I can ul to? |
| 02:24:32 | Soze_Keyser | GPSFan: do you know where i can get a non-latest jpegsrc.v6b.tar.gz? |
| 02:30:31 | Soze_Keyser | the Makefile wgets the one from tuxscreen.net/download/microwin/latest, and there is no other one anyone on tuxscreen.net/download |
| 02:32:50 | GPSFan | Soze_Keyser: here is where it comes from. they may have old versions. http://www.ijg.org/files/ |
| 02:34:52 | GPSFan | Soze_Keyser: you might try here too. http://www.funet.fi/pub/csc/graphics/format/jpeg/ |
| 02:35:26 | GPSFan | Soze_Keyser: I think they have v4 & v5. |
| 02:36:38 | Russ | Sophie: upload what? |
| 02:38:24 | Soze_Keyser | I've been looking at the Makefile more. It looks like makefile.picogui and makefile.microwindows both use "BUILD_DIR", but I don't see where it is set. |
| 02:39:24 | Soze_Keyser | and it looks like the ./configure for jpeg-6b is called with "--prefix=$(BUILD_DIR)" as a command line option |
| 02:39:36 | Soze_Keyser | would that explain why prefix has no value? |
| 02:39:38 | Russ | grep BUILD_DIR * -r |
| 02:39:40 | GPSFan | Soze_Keyser: did you find the earlier jpegsrc, it looks there is v3, v4, v5, v6 & v6a? |
| 02:40:23 | Soze_Keyser | GPSFan: i haven't looked yet, because now i think it's a problem in the makefiles, not in jpeg-6b itself. |
| 02:41:04 | GPSFan | Soze_Keyser: ok, that's more likely, since many have re-built the GUI's from those sources. |
| 02:43:45 | Keyser | Russ: that was a bit more text then i meant to send, and i think it killed my other IRC client. |
| 02:44:00 | Keyser | I didn't see anywhere that BUILD_DIR was set |
| 02:44:16 | Russ | I was hoping that you look at it, and figure out what BUILD_DIR should be by it's usage |
| 02:44:26 | Russ | did you check the root buildroot-tux dir? |
| 02:51:27 | Keyser | Russ: it uses BUILD_DIR/include, /bin, and /lib. the only dir that has those 3 as subs appears to be /staging_dir |
| 02:54:30 | Keyser | so, i'm going to put "BUILD_DIR = /staging_dir" in Makefile, and see what happens. |
| 02:57:17 | Keyser | that fixed it. or rather, kept it from locking up where it usually did. |
| 02:57:40 | Keyser | Thanks guys. i'll send an email on the mailing list, if it eventually works right. |
| 02:57:43 | Keyser | i just put: |
| 02:57:55 | Keyser | BUILD_DIR = $(STAGING_DIR) |
| 02:58:04 | Keyser | right after where STAGING_DIR was set |
| 03:30:08 | GPSFan | anyone seen this out of CES, looks like Yopy is a goner. but it's replacement (?) looks nice. http://www.cnet.com/electronics/0-4133160-8-8422475-1.htm |
| 03:33:37 | jacques | gee, big surprise |
| 03:35:46 | KeyserSoze | looks like the second one on this page: http://www.linuxdevices.com/articles/AT3664264688.html |
| 03:38:16 | GPSFan | KeyserSoze: looks like it, but the Samsung is 800 x 600. |
| 03:40:26 | KeyserSoze | yeah. but i mean the landscape orientation, instead of portrait. i haven't see too many like that. |
| 03:40:47 | KeyserSoze | it seems like there are a lot of them with 206mhz strongARM nowadays, too. |
| 03:51:23 | GPSFan | Hopefully Intel won't fall on their sword with the next generation SAxxxx, only a few weeks left till IDF. |
| 04:04:54 | ddem | hi |
| 04:05:04 | KeyserSoze | hi |
| 04:06:01 | ddem | where are you from? |
| 04:07:43 | KeyserSoze | michigan |
| 04:07:50 | ddem | uh |
| 04:08:03 | KeyserSoze | USA |
| 04:08:07 | KeyserSoze | earth |
| 04:08:15 | ddem | i though you are from europe |
| 04:08:23 | KeyserSoze | nope. |
| 04:08:34 | ddem | i know where it is |
| 04:09:01 | ddem | is here everybody from usa? |
| 04:09:12 | KeyserSoze | nope. |
| 04:09:18 | sjm | nope |
| 04:09:38 | ddem | than? |
| 04:09:53 | sjm | australia |
| 04:10:01 | ddem | huh |
| 04:10:03 | ddem | good |
| 04:10:11 | ddem | what time is it there? |
| 04:10:26 | sjm | 15:13 Friday. Nearly home time! |
| 04:10:33 | ddem | fine |
| 04:10:43 | ddem | here its 5.14am |
| 04:11:07 | KeyserSoze | hmm. western europe? |
| 04:11:13 | ddem | cet |
| 04:11:23 | KeyserSoze | cet? |
| 04:11:34 | ddem | central european time |
| 04:11:42 | KeyserSoze | ah :) |
| 04:11:50 | KeyserSoze | what country? |
| 04:11:59 | ddem | hungary |
| 04:12:24 | ddem | do you know where it is? |
| 04:12:39 | KeyserSoze | yes. |
| 04:12:44 | KeyserSoze | but i've never been. |
| 04:12:45 | ddem | wow |
| 04:13:05 | ddem | im not wondering |
| 04:13:42 | ddem | it is worth |
| 04:13:47 | KeyserSoze | between Romania and Austria? |
| 04:13:54 | ddem | yes |
| 04:14:58 | ddem | and you? |
| 04:15:16 | ddem | in which city lives ya? |
| 04:15:30 | ddem | do you live? |
| 04:15:31 | KeyserSoze | Grand Rapids, Michigan |
| 04:16:01 | KeyserSoze | i've been close to Hungary, I guess. On the train from Rome to Stuttgart, Germany. |
| 04:16:23 | KeyserSoze | went through austria, so that's only one country away :) |
| 04:16:35 | ddem | yeah:) |
| 04:16:46 | ddem | its closer than now you are |
| 04:17:19 | ddem | and what are you doin? |
| 04:19:15 | KeyserSoze | trying to get my tuxscreen to run picoGUI. and failing |
| 04:19:52 | ddem | i mean what kind of work do you have? |
| 04:20:06 | KeyserSoze | I'm a Software Engineer. |
| 04:20:11 | ddem | cool |
| 04:20:19 | ddem | im triing to be one |
| 04:20:27 | KeyserSoze | are you in school? |
| 04:20:39 | ddem | university |
| 04:21:03 | ddem | i want to be engineer of informatics |
| 04:21:09 | KeyserSoze | neat. |
| 04:21:17 | ddem | i try |
| 04:21:21 | ddem | its hard |
| 04:21:39 | ddem | im here for 4 years |
| 04:22:06 | KeyserSoze | i'm going to graduate school to get a master's degree in computer science. one of the teachers wanted to call the program 'informatics', but thought that no one in the united states would recognize the name |
| 04:22:19 | KeyserSoze | so they just call it "computer science" |
| 04:22:27 | ddem | nice |
| 04:22:31 | ddem | :) |
| 04:23:16 | ddem | i am not shure that i translated well |
| 04:23:25 | ddem | im not so good in english |
| 04:23:47 | KeyserSoze | good enough for IRC |
| 04:23:48 | KeyserSoze | :) |
| 04:23:57 | ddem | thanks:) |
| 04:24:08 | ddem | is good for learning too |
| 04:27:22 | ddem | i have to go now |
| 04:27:23 | Keyser[away] | i gotta get some sleep. it's around 23:30 over here. |
| 04:27:28 | Keyser[away] | bye |
| 04:27:35 | ddem | bye |
| 04:27:52 | ddem | see ya |
| 10:55:30 | scanline | is away: ZzZzZzzzzzz |
| 11:02:55 | scanline | is back (gone 00:07:25) |
| 14:36:36 | raymond | Hi |
| 15:53:54 | CosmicPenguin | good morning all |
| 15:59:14 | | ...but it is <reply>... |
| 15:59:14 | CosmicPenguin | ibot: it is lonely in here |
| 16:01:45 | raymond | Good morning CosmicPenguin |
| 16:03:26 | CosmicPenguin | raymond: good morning back to you |
| 16:27:48 | AlHazWork | I've returned from the land of the self-immolating avian, did i miss anything? |
| 16:35:13 | SpaceCoaster | AlHazWork: is that arizona? |
| 16:35:43 | AlHazWork | Phoenix to be precise, yes |
| 16:36:06 | AlHazWork | the bird that incinerates itself |
| 16:56:40 | | wish i knew, cosmicpenguin |
| 16:56:40 | CosmicPenguin | ibot: Do you have a dictonary attached? |
| 17:00:41 | tomdacat | i have a question about netgear network cards, the fa411 |
| 17:01:56 | CosmicPenguin | YAAD: http://www.simputer.org/simputer/press/snaps.php |
| 17:02:06 | CosmicPenguin | (Yet Another Arm Device) |
| 17:03:58 | tomdacat | the card i just got in the mail is a 5 volt, i thought they were 3.3 volts... |
| 17:04:53 | AlHazWork | tomdacat: how do you know it's 5v |
| 17:04:54 | AlHazWork | ? |
| 17:05:06 | tomdacat | it says on the bottom of the card |
| 17:05:11 | AlHazWork | I have pcmcia cards that want 5v but will accept 3v |
| 17:05:19 | tomdacat | i am going to reboot into linux to be sure, see what it asks for |
| 17:05:22 | AlHazWork | some that will only accept 3v |
| 17:05:30 | AlHazWork | and many that will only accept 5v |
| 17:05:35 | AlHazWork | and one that needs 12v occasionally |
| 17:05:41 | tomdacat | jesus |
| 17:05:59 | AlHazWork | it's an aincent flash card, needs 12v to erase blocks |
| 17:06:05 | tomdacat | ah |
| 17:06:07 | tomdacat | that is weird |
| 17:06:31 | tomdacat | ok, i will see if it works this weekend, thanks, i guess i won't return it |
| 17:13:31 | CosmicPenguin | Ooops..... I was gonna tell him about dump_cis... |
| 17:45:00 | pmisfit | Hello. Anyone feel like answering a silly tux newbie question? |
| 17:45:13 | AlHazWork | sure |
| 17:45:20 | AlHazWork | but we might tell you to read the wiki |
| 17:45:30 | pmisfit | Hmm.. it's about the wiki ;-) |
| 17:45:42 | AlHazWork | ah |
| 17:45:52 | pmisfit | I was told to search for SpaceCoaster's magick microwindows touchscreen patch on wiki. |
| 17:46:19 | pmisfit | but i can't find a search interface. i've been reading all topics, fascinating, but not efficient. still no patch. |
| 17:47:15 | pmisfit | oops. that was a stupid question. just found it. |
| 17:51:54 | AlHazWork | ok |
| 17:55:56 | CosmicPenguin | pmisfit: Its not his Microwindows fix, its his touchscreen fix for all GUIs...... |
| 17:56:04 | CosmicPenguin | We don't descriminate around here |
| 17:58:39 | CosmicPenguin | We don't spell well either, apparently... :( |
| 18:01:30 | pmisfit | sorry. all the various gui's seem to be be on equal footing in wiki. i found no jihads. what a relief. |
| 18:14:45 | bhima | wow, down to 500. |
| 18:14:50 | bhima | anybody alive? |
| 18:15:02 | bhima | has some questions about the IR keyboard. |
| 18:21:54 | CosmicPenguin | bhima: Sure.... |
| 18:22:25 | bhima | hey :) |
| 18:22:46 | bhima | yeah, so, it would _appear_ that the keyboard doesn't output "standard" (40kHz?) IR signals. |
| 18:22:55 | bhima | is that generally thought to be right? |
| 18:23:17 | bhima | I have an empeg mark II here and was thinking of trying to get its IR input to work. |
| 18:23:24 | AlHazWork | i thought it should be more like 38khz . . . . but i'm no expert |
| 18:23:36 | bhima | alhaz: fuzzy memory, you are probably right. |
| 18:23:50 | AlHazWork | IrDA devices can certianly pick up the signals from the keyboard |
| 18:24:00 | AlHazWork | that's how we figured them out in the first place |
| 18:24:04 | bhima | ahh, ok. |
| 18:24:15 | bhima | the empeg has both irda and consumer IR |
| 18:24:27 | CosmicPenguin | Does the tux have a CIR? |
| 18:24:36 | bhima | do you have any code that uses IrDA to pick signals up? |
| 18:24:53 | AlHazWork | bhima: there |
| 18:24:59 | AlHazWork | bhima: there's the lirc project . .. |
| 18:25:02 | bhima | cosmic: I don't know. That's the "standard" kind used by early IR devices, watches, Newtons, etc? |
| 18:25:17 | bhima | (ie: things that do serial via IR) |
| 18:25:29 | bhima | let me see if my Newton will pick up the keybaord. |
| 18:25:34 | bhima | alhaz: I'll look at it, thanks. |
| 18:25:42 | AlHazWork | www.lirc.org |
| 18:25:53 | bhima | my empeg will be an NFS server for a tuxscreen or two in my car. |
| 18:26:47 | bhima | the empeg is a wonderful piece of hardware... |
| 18:27:28 | bhima | oh, right, Sharp sent me (email) a pdf of the LCD documents. |
| 18:27:36 | bhima | is this something that anybody would be interested in? |
| 18:33:03 | AlHazWork | some people might be interested in it |
| 18:33:14 | AlHazWork | possibly people who want to extend the length of the cable |
| 18:33:25 | bhima | right. like me :) |
| 18:33:48 | bhima | My prefered solution is still to use a firewire cable for it. |
| 18:33:57 | bhima | and LVDS serializers. |
| 18:34:18 | bhima | but initially I will try 64 wire twist/flat ribbon cable with signal/ground. |
| 18:34:26 | bhima | then I'll try LVDS drivers only. |
| 18:35:22 | bhima | firewire is good because the cables have decent length specs and are cheap. but you only get two pairs plus power. |
| 18:35:42 | AlHazWork | ah, like a U160 scsi cable |
| 18:35:56 | AlHazWork | 68 pins, braided |
| 18:36:15 | bhima | any idea if there's a place that might sell one of those type of SCSI cables cheap? :) |
| 18:36:48 | bhima | actually, around at home, I do have some weird cables. I have one that uses the same sort of connector as SCSI, 'cept it's >100 pins. |
| 18:37:11 | bhima | is there somebody I should email the sharp pdf to so that it could appear on the tuxscreen.net site? |
| 18:38:39 | AlHazWork | they generally cost an arm and a leg |
| 18:38:45 | AlHazWork | you might try www.centrix-intl.com |
| 18:38:52 | AlHazWork | I got some off ebay for $10/ea |
| 18:42:18 | bhima | $10 is a nice price. I'd prefer to avoid making my own, but for the price, I might have to. |
| 18:42:28 | bhima | or I could get some 3m sample stuff. |
| 18:42:37 | bhima | they make some _very_ nice cables. |
| 18:42:43 | bhima | but I'd like repeatability. |
| 18:44:33 | AlHazWork | looks like they're running $15-$20 on ebay, by searching for "u160 cable? |
| 18:44:35 | AlHazWork | er |
| 18:44:39 | AlHazWork | "u160 cable" |
| 18:45:23 | bhima | thank you. I will acquire one that way. didn't realize they could be that cheap. |
| 18:45:32 | AlHazWork | most of them have a terminator attached, you might have to cut that off |
| 18:45:44 | bhima | ahh. those internal or external? |
| 18:45:47 | AlHazWork | yeah, I think the dynamic is that people don't know wtf the yare |
| 18:45:48 | AlHazWork | internal |
| 18:46:20 | bhima | I was hoping to go for an external that was wrapped into a circle, but I can do that myself anyway if I need to. |
| 18:46:38 | AlHazWork | ah, the external ones are out there too |
| 18:46:40 | AlHazWork | they are STIFF |
| 18:47:37 | AlHazWork | http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1319859179 |
| 18:47:41 | AlHazWork | at least the ones I've handled were |
| 18:47:59 | bhima | gotcha. |
| 18:48:41 | bhima | I've got some low-droput 3.3v linear regulators. they can work at 3A on 4.8v. so that's my new power supply setup. far better than the diode voltage drop. |
| 18:48:46 | AlHazWork | they're typically going to have a VHDCI connector on one end, that might be a reason not to use one |
| 18:48:57 | bhima | VHDCI? |
| 18:49:06 | AlHazWork | they don't call it Very High Density for nothin |
| 18:49:36 | AlHazWork | 68 pins in a connector about an inch long and a 3/16" thick |
| 18:49:44 | bhima | cringes. |
| 18:50:05 | bhima | damn. I am impressed. |
| 18:50:07 | AlHazWork | maybe you can get away with a u2w cable, that'd have a regular high density on each end |
| 18:50:33 | bhima | actually, 'nother question, bit stranger. do you know any connector companies that make PCMCIA dongle connectors? |
| 18:50:44 | bhima | I know that AMP does, not sure of others. |
| 18:51:17 | bhima | (Amp's ones are too wide; I need something a bit narrower) |
| 18:51:27 | AlHazWork | er, hmm |
| 18:51:47 | bhima | basically, what I have is a cutout about the size of a standard phone jack. |
| 18:52:08 | bhima | and I would like to stack three connectors of >=9 pins each. |
| 18:52:28 | AlHazWork | as_ might know where to get something like that |
| 18:52:40 | AlHazWork | he comes around when he gets off work, he lives in the UK |
| 18:53:02 | AlHazWork | I know he mentioned he's working on a project that involves a box that uses a pcmcia connector for some sort of parallel data interface |
| 18:53:07 | bhima | ok. I'll ask when I see him, thanks. |
| 18:53:13 | bhima | basically, it's for my Newotn MessagePad. |
| 18:53:17 | AlHazWork | and he's got a pcmcia card with just a cable coming out the end |
| 18:53:21 | bhima | It has a nice, nifty, perfect connecotr built in. |
| 18:53:28 | bhima | but, the connector is not well secured. |
| 18:53:33 | bhima | so if you use it a lot, it can break off. |
| 18:53:53 | AlHazWork | I actually have something like that at home . . . . I bought a really bizarre pcmcia-to-ISA adapter box |
| 18:54:03 | AlHazWork | it's a pcmcia device with a pcmcia-isa bridge on it |
| 18:54:05 | bhima | PCMCIA to ISA? haven't seen that before. |
| 18:54:13 | bhima | seen cardbus/PCI though. that's freaky :) |
| 18:54:14 | AlHazWork | oh, it's sold as a |
| 18:54:21 | AlHazWork | "universal docking station" |
| 18:54:32 | AlHazWork | has ps2, serial, and parallel ports |
| 18:54:36 | bhima | how much $$$? |
| 18:54:41 | AlHazWork | cardbus to pci is easy |
| 18:54:54 | AlHazWork | the company that made it is dead, i paid $10 at a thrift store |
| 18:55:06 | AlHazWork | has a custom asic on it, prolly no chance of it ever working with anything but win95 and win31 |
| 18:55:17 | bhima | oh. ick. never mind. |
| 18:55:53 | AlHazWork | but if you're interested, it has a largeish pcmcia card that has about a 4 foot cable coming out the end, which eventually terminates in a 68 pin scsi connector - internal type |
| 18:56:05 | AlHazWork | I think it's just pcmcia right through the cable |
| 18:56:11 | AlHazWork | since all the brains are in the box |
| 18:57:16 | AlHazWork | so if you're just looking for something to bring a pcmcia connector out to something you can plug into a board, it'd do the job |
| 18:58:16 | bhima | I'm looking for a PCMCIA-style dongle connector, mainly becuase they're the only things thin enough for my app. |
| 18:58:31 | AlHazWork | I guess i don't know what you mean by dongle connector |
| 18:58:42 | bhima | you know how most PCMCIA cards don't have real connectors? |
| 18:58:59 | bhima | they have little adaptors that, say, accept 10BaseT and plug into this thin socket on the card itself? |
| 18:59:38 | AlHazWork | right |
| 18:59:40 | AlHazWork | oh |
| 18:59:40 | bhima | I'm looking for the plug/socket pairs that go into the cards themselves. |
| 18:59:41 | AlHazWork | hmm |
| 18:59:51 | AlHazWork | dunno what to tell you |
| 18:59:58 | bhima | basically, I have a 0.5"x0.5" cutout. |
| 19:00:14 | bhima | and I want to have three connectors in it, two 9 pin and one >3 pin. |
| 19:00:37 | bhima | PCMCIA ones are thin enough, but the AMP ones are too wide. |
| 19:02:01 | bhima | I know that there exist companies that make them! I just don't know any other than amp :) |
| 19:03:12 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: ready for beta testers yet? :-) |
| 19:05:58 | DrXenon | what program is used to talk to the tuxscreen through the jtag port? |
| 19:08:27 | AlHazWork | bhima: sounds almost like the scsi connector on a powerbook |
| 19:08:51 | AlHazWork | tho i think it's a little more than .5" on one dimension |
| 19:08:57 | bhima | alhaz: sorta, but smaller. smaller than even the floppy one. |
| 19:09:26 | bhima | plus, I have the constraint that I don't have a factory. |
| 19:09:35 | AlHazWork | right |
| 19:09:39 | bhima | ie: if the connectors must be machine-assembled, I lose. |
| 19:09:47 | bhima | AMP is nice, they sell connector+18" of cable. |
| 19:10:30 | bhima | I'm going to try to get some of their connectors to find out if it just turns out that I can make it narrower myself. |
| 19:11:05 | bhima | (that's what I did with my tuxscreen motherboard/daughterboard cable setup. they're very close together, so I had to file downt he edge of the IDC plugs) |
| 19:17:21 | CosmicPenguin | Man, this is the third time this week I have had to resubscribe to LKML... something is quite foobared |
| 19:32:50 | as_ | Evnin all. |
| 19:42:14 | Tangent | as_ : Hey |
| 19:45:23 | as_ | Tangent :] |
| 19:51:24 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: getting awfully close. |
| 19:51:48 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: There have been an awful lot of cleanups needed to get shared libstdc++ working |
| 19:52:21 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: I'll bet |
| 19:53:01 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: Which do you think is better for http stuff: libhttp or libcurl? |
| 19:55:01 | Russ | CosmicPenguin: http what? |
| 19:56:31 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: busybox wget |
| 19:56:34 | andersee | :) |
| 19:57:38 | CosmicPenguin | Oops, sorry.... you need curl anyway |
| 19:57:40 | CosmicPenguin | my bad |
| 19:57:58 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: I doubt that busybox wget will work in ViewML... I can check though... :) |
| 20:00:23 | andersee | viewml is GPL, right? |
| 20:00:39 | andersee | So steal the busybox code... |
| 20:00:45 | andersee | It does http and ftp |
| 20:03:31 | andersee | Just for the record, I am really abusing CVS today |
| 20:14:13 | bhima | if I get a big hard drive on an ARM box and want to set up a full linux distribution, what's the best way to do that, and any distributions recomended? |
| 20:14:29 | bhima | I've been looking at the empeg stuff,b ut all the links I've found are dead. |
| 20:14:52 | CosmicPenguin | bhima: Full linux distribution meaning...... staroffice? VIM? what do you need? |
| 20:15:39 | CosmicPenguin | I gotsa go eat - be back in a few? |
| 20:15:49 | bhima | cosmic: as in, base install, but with all the usual random utilities and such. ie: some way other than bootstrapping package by package. |
| 20:15:51 | bhima | wavels. |
| 20:15:54 | bhima | have a good lucnh. |
| 20:16:20 | bhima | (this is for both the tuxscreen and for my empeg. the empeg doesn't even have a standard version of init :) |
| 20:19:25 | andersee | bhima: the best way is to get something like a netwinder or a LART with an IDE connector |
| 20:19:48 | andersee | has 256 Meg ram + 20 Gig harddrive on his netwinder |
| 20:20:43 | andersee | I run debian/woody on my netwinder (strongArm 110). works great |
| 20:23:24 | bhima | andersee: I have an empeg. only 16MB of DRAM but it does have a 20GB drive. |
| 20:23:46 | bhima | and I have an ipaq with 128MB of DRAM, but no ide connector. well, CF, 256MB. |
| 20:24:11 | bhima | I'm more thinking in terms of actual install procedure. |
| 20:25:37 | andersee | For the netwinder, the firmware supports netbooting from a tftp server... |
| 20:27:14 | bhima | what linux distributions are likely to happily support bizarre arm hardware and are still being maintained? |
| 20:28:04 | Tangent | bhima : debian |
| 20:28:08 | andersee | Debian is the only really mainstream distro that maintains an arm port |
| 20:28:15 | Tangent | bhima : Or intimate ;) |
| 20:28:21 | andersee | true |
| 20:28:39 | andersee | intimate works (though its basically Debian if I recall rightly) |
| 20:29:03 | Tangent | andersee : yep... debian with some extra packages tailor made for the iPAQ |
| 20:29:13 | Tangent | andersee : And a trimmed down base image |
| 20:29:45 | bhima | ok. I'll go with Debian. thanks. |
| 20:30:04 | bhima | (my ipaq is gonna keep with familiar, since I tend to use just internal storage) |
| 20:30:55 | bhima | empeg Ltd worked very hard to make it hard to totally trash your unit. it's easy to install a new hard drive and image it. |
| 20:32:32 | bhima | they also worked to ensure that they didn't include anything they didn't need. |
| 20:32:33 | bhima | like ifconfig |
| 20:32:40 | bhima | or whoami. or uname. |
| 20:32:57 | bhima | or a standard versionof init. |
| 20:47:14 | scanline | is away: I'm busy |
| 20:47:17 | scanline | is back (gone 00:00:04) |
| 20:48:34 | scanline | is away: packing for last lan party of the break |
| 21:07:23 | scanline | is away: lan party! |
| 22:52:09 | DrXenon | tuxscreen.net/wiki/ alleges that there is (among other things) a new bootloader in /download/v0.5 . is that a typo, or is 0.4 the latest blob? |
| 22:57:12 | GPSFan | DrXenon: .4 is the latest that useable release. v0.5 is being worked on by BZFlag & others. |
| 22:59:18 | DrXenon | hi gpsfan, thanks. have you ever used the jtag port to install a bootloader? |
| 22:59:54 | GPSFan | DrXenon: yes. |
| 23:01:42 | DrXenon | where (what address) does the boot loader want to live? |
| 23:04:06 | GPSFan | DrXenon: the jflash software that I used didn't ask, however blob contains the start vector which must be at physical address 0 for the SA1100 to start, so I guess it would be address 0. |
| 23:06:22 | DrXenon | thanks. |