| 00:27:44 | jacques | yawns |
| 00:27:56 | | i think news is , according to a7r, v0.5 of Familiar will be out very soon |
| 00:27:56 | jacques | what's news? |
| 00:28:37 | | ...but ibot is the evil twin WITHOUT the goatee... |
| 00:28:37 | jacques | ibot: you are truly a screwball |
| 00:28:47 | jacques | sigh |
| 00:30:44 | prpplague | jacques: just got my aquapad |
| 00:40:11 | jacques | prpplague: ooooh, how is it? |
| 00:54:58 | prpplague | jacques: the hardware is really cool! but the linux appears to have been installed by a winblows expert |
| 00:57:01 | jacques | prpplague: well, that can be fixed, no? |
| 00:57:20 | prpplague | jacques: ya its fixable |
| 00:57:45 | prpplague | jacques: i'll have a nice dist for it in a week or so, i'll set it with a nice buildroot |
| 00:58:07 | jacques | prpplague: whoo! :-) |
| 00:58:56 | prpplague | jacques: ya this is a dream machine for me, the only thing i could have wish was that is was strongarm based, but i can be happy with this |
| 00:59:28 | prpplague | i ordered a happy hacking usb keyboard to go with it |
| 01:00:04 | jacques | prpplague: what is the proc? mediaGX? |
| 01:00:29 | prpplague | transmeta carusoe |
| 01:00:43 | prpplague | or however you spell it |
| 01:01:11 | jacques | ahm crusoe |
| 01:01:14 | jacques | cool |
| 01:01:19 | jacques | like my vaio picturebook |
| 01:01:27 | jacques | what mhz? |
| 01:02:49 | prpplague | 500mhz |
| 01:04:08 | jacques | fast enough |
| 01:04:15 | jacques | and at least is actually has a FPU |
| 01:05:04 | prpplague | lol, yep |
| 01:08:32 | jacques | prpplague: have you been able to determine battery life yet? |
| 01:09:34 | prpplague | jacques: not yet, i was told continuious usage of 2.5 to 3 hours |
| 01:09:41 | jacques | not bad |
| 01:09:51 | prpplague | jacques: the nice thing is, the cradle has a slot to charge an extra battery |
| 01:09:57 | jacques | what's the dirplay resolution? |
| 01:10:05 | prpplague | jacques: and a 6-8 hour battery is on the way |
| 01:10:07 | jacques | i read about it a while back but have forgotten all the specs |
| 01:10:36 | prpplague | hmm, not sure, i know it was atleast 800x600 which was all we needed |
| 01:10:40 | prpplague | let me check |
| 01:11:39 | jacques | 8x6 == nice |
| 01:11:50 | jacques | 8x6 == nice |
| 01:12:05 | prpplague | doh, wrong X |
| 01:12:07 | prpplague | http://www.amdzone.com/articleview.cfm?articleid=908 |
| 01:12:09 | prpplague | there are the specs |
| 01:12:46 | jacques | cool, thnkx |
| 01:14:31 | jacques | hw much ram you get? |
| 01:14:45 | prpplague | up to 256 |
| 01:14:52 | jacques | mmm, tft |
| 01:15:09 | prpplague | ya but its very crisp clean and bright |
| 01:15:24 | jacques | excellent |
| 01:15:26 | prpplague | i used it outside earlier, was very visible for me |
| 01:15:29 | jacques | mmm, FIR |
| 01:21:35 | jacques | would be excellent with builtin prismII |
| 01:22:48 | prpplague | jacques: i like it this way i can use a combo nic/modem card in the field (i.e. in airports) |
| 01:23:27 | prpplague | jacques: and when i'm on location, i can use the lan card for network diags |
| 01:23:37 | jacques | yep |
| 01:23:47 | jacques | and wireless cards are getting so cheap now anyway |
| 01:24:25 | prpplague | yep, someone was trying to sell me xircom 802.11b cards with the 48 bit encryption for $38 |
| 01:25:51 | jacques | heh |
| 01:28:00 | jacques | i dont like xircom that much as a brand |
| 01:28:08 | jacques | but these days i ignore WEP |
| 01:28:14 | jacques | and just use ssh etc |
| 01:31:53 | prpplague | ya me too |
| 01:38:51 | Morn | hey |
| 01:42:01 | jacques | hi Morn |
| 01:43:10 | Morn | what's up? |
| 01:44:21 | jacques | well prpplague got a new toy |
| 01:44:26 | jacques | not much else AFAICT |
| 01:44:45 | Morn | I need to get a wireless card and a wirless access point |
| 01:44:57 | Morn | I'd like to put the laptop and the iPAQ on wirless |
| 01:45:28 | jacques | yeh i need an AP too - using ad-hoc right now but want better rance |
| 01:45:29 | jacques | range |
| 01:45:44 | Morn | what does ad-hoc mean? |
| 01:45:50 | jacques | hard to find a decent one configurable from linux tho |
| 01:46:21 | jacques | ad-hoc mode connects individual cards without using an AP |
| 01:46:40 | Morn | oh, that's using that special IP range they set aside this summer |
| 01:46:56 | jacques | but you dont get roaming and some other features |
| 01:47:04 | jacques | and AP's usually ave better antennae |
| 01:47:14 | Morn | I don't really need roaming since it is just for the house |
| 01:47:22 | Morn | hi Sophie |
| 01:47:24 | jacques | ad-hoc does not require and particular IP range |
| 01:47:25 | | hello, Sophie |
| 01:47:26 | Sophie | hi |
| 01:47:34 | Sophie | hi ibot |
| 02:15:02 | | Keyser: what? |
| 02:15:02 | Keyser | ibot: kgrd |
| 02:15:06 | Keyser | damnit |
| 02:15:30 | | file: Moncton, N. B., Canada; (CYQM) 46-07N 064-41W 71M; last updated: Jan 07, 2002 05:08 PM EST; Dew Point: 35 F (2 C); Pressure (altimeter): 29.62 in. Hg (1003 hPa); Relative Humidity: 70%; Sky conditions: overcast; Temperature: 44 F (7 C); Visibility: 12 mile(s); Weather: Light snow showers; Wind: from the NNE (020 degrees) at 14 MPH (13 KT) gusting to 21 MPH (19 KT) |
| 02:15:30 | file | ibot weather cyqm |
| 02:15:36 | | Keyser: Grand Rapids, Gerald R. Ford International Airport, MI, United States; (KGRR) 42-52-51N 085-31-22W 239M; last updated: Jan 07, 2002 08:56 PM EST; Dew Point: 21.0 F (-6.1 C); Pressure (altimeter): 29.97 in. Hg (1014 hPa); Relative Humidity: 84%; Sky conditions: overcast; Temperature: 25.0 F (-3.9 C); Visibility: 10 mile(s); Weather: Light snow showers; Wind: from the WSW (240 degrees) at 9 MPH (8 KT); Windchill: 15 F (-9 C) |
| 02:15:36 | Keyser | ibot: weather kgrr |
| 02:15:53 | file | it don't do windchill |
| 02:16:28 | | CosmicPenguin is guessing that somebody tossed this at RMK, and he accepted it pretty blindly.... |
| 02:16:28 | Keyser | CosmicPenguin? |
| 02:16:41 | jacques | ruh? |
| 02:17:46 | Keyser | jacques: wait a minute, you're not CosmicPenguin |
| 02:18:27 | jacques | hmm, never said i was |
| 02:18:37 | Keyser | oh. |
| 02:18:47 | Keyser | do you know much about microwindows? |
| 02:20:06 | jacques | hmm, not really I'm afraid |
| 02:21:34 | Keyser | shucks. i got the kernel/root fs that has microwindows, but i'm curious how to turn it off (temporarily), and am wondering if it'll boot to a terminal |
| 02:22:53 | Keyser | it seems as if there must be a little shell script that runs it on boot, but i haven't found it |
| 02:23:59 | Keyser | i think i'll kill the tuxscrwm, and see what happens |
| 02:25:27 | Keyser | hmm. it revives it self |
| 02:47:15 | BZFlag | Keyser: ctrl-alt-f2 should get you a console, no? |
| 02:50:47 | Keyser | BZFlag: good point. i forgot about that. |
| 02:52:25 | Keyser | BZFlag: i commented out the line in inittab that starts nxstart.sh. but i don't get a terminal on the tux's screen. do you know how i can get it to boot to a terminal? |
| 02:53:30 | jacques | sorry was on phone |
| 02:54:36 | jacques | neet to run getty |
| 02:55:41 | Morn | cheers! |
| 02:57:10 | Morn | what is the difference between ttyS0 and ttySA0 |
| 02:57:19 | Keyser | BZFlag, actually, ctrl-alt-f2 does NOT get me a console |
| 02:58:00 | jacques | should just be alt-f2 |
| 02:58:04 | Morn | I see they have different major.minor numbers |
| 02:58:10 | jacques | Keyser: are any gettys running? |
| 02:59:16 | Morn | ah, ttySA0 is the strong-arm tty |
| 02:59:19 | Morn | serial |
| 02:59:21 | Morn | ugh |
| 03:00:30 | Keyser | nope, no gettys |
| 03:00:52 | jacques | Keyser: then you need to add some in the inittab |
| 03:01:06 | jacques | unfortunately I cannot login to my tuxscreens right now |
| 03:03:56 | Keyser | there doesn't have to be a getty to use a terminal over the serial port, with minicom on my PC? |
| 03:04:03 | jacques | there might be a proper inittab somewhere in the buildroot tree |
| 03:04:12 | Keyser | i guess not, because I AM using minicom, and have no getty |
| 03:04:34 | jacques | Keyser: heh, it's a different getty, and it's not running because yo uare logged in |
| 03:04:44 | jacques | Keyser: once you logout it will be back |
| 03:05:48 | Keyser | yeah, okay "/sbin/getty -L ttySA0 115200 vt100" is there when i log out of the terminal on minicom |
| 03:06:39 | jacques | nod |
| 03:06:54 | Keyser | but when i log out of the tux (after using alt-f2 to get to terminal), and do a ps on the minicom, i see "/sbin/getty 38400 tty2" |
| 03:07:14 | Keyser | so if getty is not there when i am logged in, how was i supposed to see it? |
| 03:07:19 | Keyser | is confused |
| 03:09:47 | Keyser | i'm gonna reboot it, again. is there a difference between typing 'reboot', and power cycling it? |
| 03:10:55 | Keyser | when i reboot, and login on minicom, the "/sbin/getty 38400 tty2" is in ps, but i don't get a login prompt on the tux |
| 03:11:49 | Keyser | but then alt-f2 gives me a prompt |
| 03:12:57 | jacques | nod |
| 03:13:00 | jacques | as expected |
| 03:13:14 | jacques | ttyp2 is second virtual terminal I guess |
| 03:13:20 | jacques | i mean tty2 |
| 03:13:22 | jacques | sorry |
| 03:13:41 | Keyser | okay. do i just need getty on a diffetent tty, to get it on startup? |
| 03:13:45 | jacques | if you replicate that line for tty1 you will get a prompt on first virtual terminal |
| 03:13:53 | jacques | nod |
| 03:13:57 | Keyser | i'll give it a go, then |
| 03:15:01 | Keyser | thanks, jacques. it was actually there, just commented out. |
| 03:15:33 | jacques | Keyser: d'oh :-) |
| 03:20:48 | Keyser | thanks, that worked great |
| 03:22:16 | jacques | coolness |
| 03:22:18 | jacques | :-D |
| 03:23:23 | Keyser | odd though, i thought i could kill microwindows, after starting it with nxstart.sh |
| 03:23:42 | Keyser | but the penguin wallpaper stays there, and i don't get a login prompt |
| 03:24:04 | jacques | how did you kill it? |
| 03:24:10 | jacques | I think there is a process still running |
| 03:25:11 | Keyser | i'll reboot, and ps before and after starting nxstart.sh |
| 03:27:16 | Keyser | should i start nxstart.sh in the background? |
| 03:30:38 | Keyser | nope, there are no extra processes still running. |
| 03:30:40 | jacques | yes, good plan |
| 03:30:40 | jacques | i think i remember a process still being running |
| 03:30:58 | Keyser | i checked the list of everything that showed up, nothing was there. |
| 03:31:30 | Keyser | i killed nxstart.sh, tuxscrwm, and nano-x |
| 03:49:23 | jacques | hmm |
| 03:52:35 | Keyser | if i run nxstart.sh from the prompt, i can use alt-f2, and then kill it, but i don't seem to get tty1 back |
| 03:53:05 | Keyser | regardless of wether i kill the sh for tty1. the getty comes back in ps, but no prompt |
| 04:04:17 | jacques | so the getty got tty1 gets restarted, but you get no prompt on first virtual treminal? |
| 04:13:55 | scanline | is away: I'm busy |
| 04:13:58 | scanline | is back (gone 00:00:02) |
| 04:15:29 | Keyser | jacques: yes, as far as i can tell |
| 04:18:31 | jacques | hmm, that sounds like a big somewhere |
| 04:18:34 | jacques | bug |
| 04:23:46 | Keyser | really? i figured i was just doing somethine wrong |
| 04:24:00 | Keyser | should i start nxstart.sh with &, or not? |
| 04:27:06 | jacques | give it a try |
| 04:27:10 | jacques | but i am just guessing now |
| 04:27:18 | jacques | im not sure why it's not working |
| 04:28:53 | Keyser | hey, it worked this time |
| 04:29:09 | Keyser | i got tty1 back |
| 04:30:32 | Keyser | i killed the tuxscrwm, and then nano-X, but left nxstart.sh alive |
| 04:31:55 | jacques | :-\ |
| 04:31:59 | jacques | stranger and sranger |
| 04:52:21 | Morn | is away: crashing, dreaming in code |
| 06:07:33 | Keyser | what toolchain have people had luck with? |
| 06:07:45 | Keyser | how about: ftp://ftp.handhelds.org/pub/linux/arm/toolchain/arm-linux-toolchain-post-2.2.13.tar.gz |
| 06:09:15 | jacques | that's getting kinda old |
| 06:09:23 | jacques | i use the jacques toolchain |
| 06:10:08 | jacques | latest jacques xchain is at: http://intimate.handhelds.org/jacques/xchain6-i386.tar.bz2 |
| 06:10:18 | jacques | readme at http://intimate.handhelds.org/jacques/xchain6-i386.README |
| 06:11:37 | Keyser | thanks |
| 06:12:08 | scanline | downloads him one also |
| 06:12:55 | jacques | it has the latest phil blundell strongarm patch to gcc |
| 06:13:06 | jacques | best xchain i have built yet :-D |
| 06:13:42 | Keyser | heh. i can click on the link on my windows box, select "save", and save it to my samba share on my linux box. |
| 06:13:46 | Keyser | networking is fun |
| 06:13:54 | scanline | using linux is more fun :) |
| 06:14:06 | Keyser | what IRC client to you use? |
| 06:14:11 | scanline | X-Chat |
| 06:14:29 | Keyser | i much prefer mIRC on my win98 to kvIRC on the linux box |
| 06:14:46 | scanline | i've tried mIRC and like X-chat a lot better |
| 06:15:01 | jacques | i use xchat and it's fine for me, but i admit i am not a very sophisticated irc user |
| 06:15:19 | Keyser | for some reason, kvirc doesn't notice disconnections. mIRC sees 'em right away, and reconnects |
| 06:15:30 | Keyser | kvIRC waits for me to try to type something |
| 06:15:37 | scanline | hmm |
| 06:15:44 | Keyser | what's xchat do? |
| 06:16:37 | scanline | it seems to kinda randomly notice disconnections, though it depends on your settings |
| 06:17:44 | Keyser | mandrake even had xchat on the CD. awfully nice of them. |
| 06:18:52 | jacques | yeah |
| 06:19:07 | jacques | dunno how it notices disconnects |
| 06:19:15 | jacques | seems kinda random to me |
| 06:19:27 | scanline | though OPN can be rather flaky |
| 06:19:32 | jacques | like maybe it checks at a long interval |
| 06:19:36 | jacques | rather? |
| 06:19:38 | jacques | LOL |
| 06:19:48 | scanline | understatement, i am a master :) |
| 06:19:53 | jacques | :-D |
| 06:20:39 | | rumour has it OPN is broken. This is typical. This net hasn't worked right since dancer was installed. =) |
| 06:20:39 | Keyser | OPN? |
| 06:20:57 | jacques | heh |
| 06:22:10 | Keyser | dancer? |
| 06:22:21 | Keyser | i guess it can't work everytime |
| 06:22:30 | scanline | it's the new ircd they switched to |
| 06:22:58 | Keyser | openprojects.net: "We currently peak at nearly 4,000 users and over 1,300 channels." |
| 06:24:37 | scanline | so if things were distributed evenly everyone's in a channel with almost 3 other people |
| 06:27:25 | Keyser | a lot of people must hang out in more than one channel |
| 06:27:39 | scanline | yeah |
| 06:31:54 | Keyser | well, i gotta get some sleep. as much fun as i'm having installing software on linux... |
| 06:32:06 | scanline | 'night |
| 13:13:22 | Morn | is back (gone 08:21:01) |
| 13:52:50 | ctr | anyone alive? |
| 13:53:02 | scanline | alive |
| 13:53:22 | ctr | how can i make a autoconf pacakge cross compile? |
| 13:54:51 | scanline | you need to set the CC and LD environment variables and use the --target command line option |
| 13:55:11 | ctr | ok |
| 13:55:23 | ctr | do i use arm-linux as the target? |
| 13:55:37 | scanline | arm-uclibc probably |
| 13:56:11 | scanline | "You can't fight in here, this is the War Room!" -- The President in _Dr. Strangelove_ |
| 14:31:13 | Morn | is away: hacking rxtx... |
| 15:11:07 | prpplague | morning |
| 15:11:14 | scanline | morning |
| 15:17:08 | scanline | what's the best library for reading png and gif files? |
| 15:18:43 | scanline | hmm... imlib |
| 15:23:40 | prpplague | scanline: no suggestion from, i'm still a little new to gui's |
| 15:24:14 | prpplague | anyone seen this - http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS4430982785.html |
| 15:24:28 | scanline | i think i'll use imlib for now... at the moment i just need something that will read lots of formats, later i'll get faster/smaller code for popular formats |
| 15:24:57 | scanline | yay, more linux-running hardware :) |
| 15:25:08 | scanline | but how the heck do you pronounce "Lin@x" |
| 15:25:14 | prpplague | lol |
| 15:25:31 | scanline | i mean, Linux was hard enough to pronounce |
| 15:25:39 | prpplague | maybe like "lin-axe |
| 15:25:41 | prpplague | " |
| 15:25:46 | scanline | and then they had Cue:Cat: and Divx ;-) |
| 15:26:01 | scanline | the last thing we need is more punctuated product names... |
| 15:26:06 | prpplague | lol |
| 15:26:52 | scanline | it's gotta be lin-axe or lin-ox or something... we need a clearly defined way to pronounce @ symbols or IM and chat systems are going to get too popular |
| 15:30:30 | CosmicPenguin | Morning |
| 15:30:48 | scanline | hi CosmicPenguin |
| 15:31:56 | scanline | The SA-1110 sure is popular in PDAs |
| 15:32:51 | prpplague | scanline: well the SA series is very easy to implment in a low power enviroment |
| 15:33:16 | scanline | What GUI is the Yopy using? |
| 15:33:22 | prpplague | scanline: i personally am in love with the ARM core |
| 15:33:29 | scanline | i heard a while back that they were using the W window system, dont' know if that's right |
| 15:33:44 | prpplague | scanline: the original used w windows, and they've moved to a custom compiled version of x |
| 15:33:55 | scanline | k |
| 15:34:20 | prpplague | scanline: its basically a full x windows |
| 15:34:25 | scanline | just curious. Looks like most of the Linux devices that are coming out use QPE or Microwindows |
| 15:36:13 | prpplague | scanline: ya a lot of name brands companies think they have to have some sort of "name brand" enviroment |
| 15:36:37 | scanline | hehe, yeah |
| 15:37:37 | prpplague | scanline: give me a nice clean rootfs, with a minimal x that supports fltk, and i'm happy |
| 15:38:31 | scanline | yeah, it's sad that they don't give FLTK as much credit in linuxdevices. I mean, microwindows by itself isn't that useful for a PDA. |
| 15:39:51 | CosmicPenguin | scanline: Yopy ues a full X |
| 15:40:16 | scanline | they have 16MB ROM right? |
| 15:40:22 | CosmicPenguin | Maybe the new one |
| 15:40:24 | scanline | probably not enough for enlightenment :) |
| 15:40:43 | CosmicPenguin | The Yopy isn't very good |
| 15:41:03 | CosmicPenguin | Better than the agenda though |
| 15:41:08 | scanline | If i got a high-end handheld it would either be an ipaq or a Zaurus i think |
| 15:41:22 | CosmicPenguin | scanline: Definately Ipaq..... |
| 15:41:45 | CosmicPenguin | OS aside (you can always replace the OS), I think that Compaq has its ducks more in a row hardware wise.... |
| 15:41:52 | CosmicPenguin | especially with the 3800 series |
| 15:42:07 | scanline | did they fix that problem with the direction pad? |
| 15:42:10 | CosmicPenguin | yep |
| 15:42:11 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: they are using full X now? when i was doing dev on the yopy they were still using a cut down version |
| 15:42:42 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: I think that they use Keith Packard's kdrive, just like X does |
| 15:42:52 | CosmicPenguin | or rather, just like familiar does |
| 15:43:30 | CosmicPenguin | Didn't the original run X too? I thought the only thing that ran W was the Helio |
| 15:44:30 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: you had any experience with midori linux? this aquapad comes installed with it, but whoever put it together for this unit never used linux |
| 15:44:52 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: I've heard of it, but thats about it |
| 15:45:33 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hmm, i know it was a project of linus and transmeta, but this installion of it is terrible, they didn't even compil busybox with vi! |
| 15:45:55 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: hehe.... sounds familiar.... :) |
| 15:46:43 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: guess i'm about to see how hard it is to get source code from FIC |
| 15:51:38 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hmm, no cardctl either |
| 15:54:10 | CosmicPenguin | no cardctrl? |
| 15:54:16 | CosmicPenguin | whats up with that? |
| 15:54:34 | CosmicPenguin | Anyone here ever, at any time, on any platform, get a 802.11B CF card to work? |
| 15:56:03 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i've gotten one to work on dev-yopy |
| 15:56:20 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: whats the secret? |
| 15:56:41 | CosmicPenguin | I can't get a Linksys card to work under linux - it comes up alright, but no talky-talky |
| 15:57:18 | prpplague | i'm still learning the ins/outs of 802.11b cards, but the main problem i've had is the ssid |
| 15:58:13 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: the network.opts file is suppose to be where all that is set, but several of the systems i've played with, they hard code it in different places |
| 15:58:47 | prpplague | like the progear, they have this overly complicated system of backup files, and its a nightmare |
| 15:59:28 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: The really freaky thing about my situtation is that it can talk to the access point just find, gets the right ESSID and all, but doesn't work... |
| 15:59:53 | prpplague | thats odd |
| 16:00:30 | CosmicPenguin | There are rumors on the web that its a PRISM 2.5, but thats unfounded at this point |
| 16:05:26 | CosmicPenguin | Anyone know if the linux-wlan guys hang out on IRC? |
| 16:28:03 | Keyser | CosmicPenguin: Do i need to edit (and then recompile) the source code for TinyToe to change the "applications" list in microwindows on the tux? |
| 16:30:04 | CosmicPenguin | Keyser: No - There is a file called tuxscrwm.conf. Just edit that and restart |
| 16:32:14 | Keyser | cool. i hadn't seen that before, i was looking in /usr/local/bin. thanks |
| 16:35:00 | Keyser | btw, what's the easiest way to exit microwindows and tinytoe? |
| 16:36:59 | Keyser | it seems to work okay to get a terminal, and then kill nano-X and tuxscrwm |
| 16:38:35 | Keyser | nevermind. for a while last night, the login for tty1 wasn't coming up after i killed nano-X, but it is now. |
| 16:39:02 | CosmicPenguin | Keyser: wierd.... I thought that i buit in the VT switch suff, but maybe I didn't... |
| 17:02:28 | Keyser | CosmicPenguin: what's "VT switch stuff"? |
| 17:02:52 | Keyser | alt-f1, alt-f2? |
| 17:04:30 | CosmicPenguin | yeah |
| 17:05:03 | Keyser | is there a way to swtich back to microwindows, after a alt-f2? |
| 17:05:39 | Keyser | (without killing and restarting) |
| 17:09:28 | CosmicPenguin | Alt-f1 doesn't work? |
| 17:09:46 | CosmicPenguin | brb - X has killed my mouse |
| 17:27:50 | CosmicPenguin | Ack! My mouse is dying! |
| 17:33:33 | CosmicPenguin | it comes and goes - |
| 17:41:30 | prpplague | doh, its not dying just going senial |
| 17:44:31 | CosmicPenguin | Damn USB HID |
| 19:42:19 | pattieja | who's Jeff Hardy? |
| 19:51:57 | prpplague | anyone here familiar with cramfs |
| 19:51:58 | prpplague | ?? |
| 19:52:20 | prpplague | i know you are BZFlag, but i don't want to bother you |
| 20:13:50 | BZFlag | sup? |
| 20:17:21 | nelson | BZFlag: any news on Zaurus jtag? |
| 20:20:13 | BZFlag | nelson: nope. waiting for a decision from sharp. |
| 20:20:43 | nelson | BZFlag: did you see sjohnson's speculation that the pads inside the battery compartment are for jtag? |
| 20:27:25 | BZFlag | nelson: no, but it sounds like a logical thing. |
| 20:27:33 | BZFlag | email someplace? |
| 20:28:30 | prpplague | BZFlag: hacking on the zaurus, you have all the fun tim |
| 20:28:59 | nelson | BZFlag: hrm. I think it was on irc. |
| 20:29:40 | nelson | prpplague: oh, in theory the folks at Lineo have all the fun. That is, if Lineo is making money.... |
| 20:29:58 | BZFlag | wishes ibot could sit on #zaurus |
| 20:30:34 | BZFlag | nelson: well the making money portion remains to be seen, but at least I get paid to hack the Z |
| 20:31:10 | BZFlag | anyone opened a Z and put pictures online? |
| 20:31:37 | nelson | BZFlag: you'd think jasonnj would know. |
| 20:32:20 | BZFlag | yeah but I think he is headed CES |
| 20:32:26 | BZFlag | er, to CES |
| 20:38:45 | scanline | is away: packing his stuff up in time for Kris to get his lazy ass here |
| 20:46:23 | Morn | is back (gone 06:15:10) |
| 21:04:00 | Keyser | has his own wiki page now! |
| 21:04:21 | Keyser | I'm like a God, except I don't impose all the odd dietary restrictions. |
| 21:05:46 | Keyser | that, and I guess I'm a bit deficient in the omniscience category |
| 21:06:04 | Keyser | but having a wiki page on tuxscreen.net, with my own name on it, now that is POWER |
| 21:08:33 | BZFlag | hehe |
| 21:14:10 | andersee | BZFlag: hows it goin? |
| 21:17:09 | BZFlag | andersee: ok. hacking Zs for fun and profit. |
| 21:17:15 | BZFlag | hows c++ coming? |
| 21:22:53 | Russ|werk | hey andersee= |
| 21:22:59 | Russ|werk | how's pthreads? |
| 21:31:29 | | it has been said that jacques is a crazy finn |
| 21:31:29 | Keyser | jacques? |
| 21:31:45 | Keyser | yes, I know, but that's not important right now |
| 21:32:46 | Keyser | regrets having not said "is there any other kind?" instead |
| 21:33:18 | Russ|werk | ibot: is there any other kind? |
| 21:35:51 | Keyser | maybe someone who isn't jacques knows. yesterday, jacques gave me the FTP site for his toolchain, which i gladly downloaded. in the readme, it said to put "/usr/local/arm/" in my $PATH, even though /usr/local/arm only contains directories, and no executables |
| 21:46:31 | Keyser | so is a directory that doesn't contain executables going to do much good in the PATH? |
| 21:49:34 | prpplague | Keyser: i think its suppose to be /usr/local/arm/bin |
| 21:51:19 | andersee | Russ|werk: I have a minimal pthreads stub -- not perfect, but works for many things. |
| 21:51:30 | andersee | Russ|werk: pthread_join is broken though... |
| 21:53:10 | andersee | BZFlag: c++ is coming, slowly but slowly. |
| 21:53:22 | andersee | BZFlag: I'm currently fighting gcc 3.0 |
| 21:53:38 | andersee | BZFlag: So far, its winning |
| 21:57:36 | Keyser | prpplague: thanks, i'll do it with the /bin on the end. |
| 22:03:19 | SpaceCoaster | BZFlag: does the zaurus run qpe? |
| 22:03:46 | CosmicPenguin | SpaceCoaster: exclusively |
| 22:04:40 | SpaceCoaster | CosmicPenguin: is the source available? the cvs stuff on sourceforge doesn't seem to want to compile. |
| 22:05:03 | CosmicPenguin | SpaceCoaster: Sign up on the Zaurus developers website for fun and games |
| 22:05:16 | SpaceCoaster | oh no, not AnotherKeyser :-) |
| 22:05:29 | Keyser | what, where? |
| 22:05:39 | AnotherKeyser | over here! |
| 22:06:03 | SpaceCoaster | CosmicPenguin: I was thinking of compiling it up for the TuxScreen. |
| 22:06:24 | CosmicPenguin | SpaceCoaster: Hmmm.... I would definately get the latest QPE stuff for the Zaurus.... |
| 22:07:31 | Russ|werk | andersee: the only decent dns proxy/cache that isn't riddled with x86ism that I've found (dnrd) needs sem_post/sem_wait |
| 22:07:42 | Russ|werk | (as well as a few other pthread things) |
| 22:08:17 | KeyserSoze | i thought i was close to getting a buildroot, now that i've got a toolchain. but apparently i need to know how to use 'SSH' before i can download it. |
| 22:08:26 | KeyserSoze | it's a vicious circle |
| 22:09:01 | andersee | Russ|werk: those will all be coming... |
| 22:09:16 | CosmicPenguin | Russ|werk: Did you check out djbdns? |
| 22:09:25 | andersee | Russ|werk: I plan to have full pthreads by late February |
| 22:13:18 | KeyserSoze | do i need SSH1, or will "openssh" be just as good? |
| 22:13:42 | andersee | depends on what you are doing with it |
| 22:13:48 | andersee | What're you doing? |
| 22:14:03 | KeyserSoze | getting buildroot from http://sourceforge.net/cvs/?group_id=20228 |
| 22:14:39 | KeyserSoze | oh, crap. that link is to get a toolchain, which i already have from another source |
| 22:14:45 | KeyserSoze | maybe i don't need SSH |
| 22:14:56 | BZFlag | SpaceCoaster: yes, zaurus is qtopia (the new qpe) |
| 22:15:04 | KeyserSoze | no, wait. that is for buildroot. |
| 22:16:31 | SpaceCoaster | BZFlag: just trying to build qpe for TuxScreen, anybody built it before? |
| 22:19:28 | KeyserSoze | can i get buildroot from www.tuxscreen.net/download/v0.5 just as well as from CVS? |
| 22:21:57 | Russ|werk | CosmicPenguin: lemme check |
| 22:23:10 | BZFlag | SpaceCoaster: I think I ran it before over nfs. |
| 22:23:36 | BZFlag | it won't build against uclibc till andersee has the c++ stuff working. |
| 22:24:05 | BZFlag | KeyserSoze: the cvs version is much more likely to work. |
| 22:25:13 | KeyserSoze | am i supposed to use CVS by clicking the "browse CVS repository link on sourceforge", or in some command-line fashion |
| 22:25:20 | KeyserSoze | or does it matter? |
| 22:26:02 | BZFlag | http://sourceforge.net/cvs/?group_id=20228 <- anonymous cvs access |
| 22:26:39 | BZFlag | you can use cvs.tuxscreen.net instead of cvs.tuxscreen.sourceforge.net |
| 22:27:21 | Russ|werk | anyone have any good sources on low value surface mount resistors (100 quantity) |
| 22:27:43 | Russ|werk | (ie, 0.02ohm-0.08ohm, 1/2watt or greater) |
| 22:27:57 | Russ|werk | I'm looking at needing to buy a reel of 8000 instead of just the 100 |
| 22:28:37 | Russ|werk | CosmicPenguin: about how big is djbdns |
| 22:29:22 | KeyserSoze | is cvs.tuxscreen.net a webpage? |
| 22:30:21 | CosmicPenguin | Russ|werk: The dnscache (the proxy) is 47880 built with uclibc on X86 |
| 22:39:25 | file | erm. |
| 22:39:44 | KeyserSoze | thinking again, file? |
| 22:39:51 | file | yes. |
| 22:41:10 | KeyserSoze | I'm sure you'll all be happy to know I have surpassed the difficulty of using CVS, and am now running 'make world' on buildroot-tux |
| 22:41:22 | file | uh huh |
| 22:47:39 | KeyserSoze | how do i know if 'make world' worked? |
| 22:49:34 | KeyserSoze | nevermind. it didn't |
| 22:52:26 | KeyserSoze | can i fit picoGUI and microwindows both on the Tux flash? (along with kernel and jffs2, of course) |
| 22:57:50 | KeyserSoze | make: *** No rule to make target `/home/gazicm/buildroot-tux/sources/dl/uClibc-snapshot.tar.gz', needed by `/home/gazicm/buildroot-tux/uClibc/Config'. Stop. |
| 22:58:03 | KeyserSoze | anyone know what that ^ is? |
| 23:00:38 | Russ|werk | CosmicPenguin: cool |
| 23:04:04 | KeyserSoze | maybe i'll just run make again, and see if it stops at the same place |
| 23:04:16 | KeyserSoze | that was quick :) |
| 23:04:25 | KeyserSoze | make: *** No rule to make target `/home/gazicm/buildroot-tux/sources/dl/uClibc-snapshot.tar.gz', needed by `/home/gazicm/buildroot-tux/uClibc/Config'. Stop. |
| 23:04:40 | Hiraghm | hi |
| 23:04:52 | Hiraghm | wot's gnu? |
| 23:05:25 | CosmicPenguin | KeyserSoze: You should be able to.... |
| 23:05:31 | CosmicPenguin | scanline: whats your size these days? |
| 23:06:12 | CosmicPenguin | Russ|werk: Its kind of a pain to get set up (because it assumes you are building on BSD), but when you get it going, it works great.... I use it in a bluetooth gateway, and I am very pleased with it |
| 23:06:56 | KeyserSoze | ah. a web search tells me the kernel source code is not on my system |
| 23:10:56 | KeyserSoze | do i need to install uClibc, before installing buildroot? |
| 23:11:26 | KeyserSoze | or does buildroot come with uClibc? |
| 23:16:12 | KeyserSoze | does anyone know what a "rule" is? |
| 23:16:50 | BZFlag | Keyser: cvs buildroot or a tarball? |
| 23:16:52 | CosmicPenguin | "Don't eat yellow snow" |
| 23:17:04 | BZFlag | agrees with CosmicPenguin's rule |
| 23:17:05 | CosmicPenguin | Thats a great rule |
| 23:17:09 | CosmicPenguin | ... :) |
| 23:17:35 | BZFlag | buildroot should grab everything except the arm toolchain. |
| 23:19:36 | KeyserSoze | cvs buildroot |
| 23:20:39 | KeyserSoze | yeah, that makes sense. if my rule is "don't eat yellow snow", then it WON'T cause it to make uClibc-snapshot.tar.gz |
| 23:22:51 | CosmicPenguin | Of course, in your case, the file uClibc-snapshot.tar.gz doesn't exist, and the make file doesn't know how to make it (ie, no rule exists to make uClibc-snapshot.tar.gz) |
| 23:23:34 | KeyserSoze | oh. my rule only stops me from eating yellow snow, it doesn't instruct how to make .tar.gz files |
| 23:24:10 | KeyserSoze | can i do a wget to get it? isn't that how it was supposed to be gotten? |
| 23:26:32 | KeyserSoze | my window only saved the last bazillion lines off the top of the screen, so i can't see the line that was supposed to wget uClibc |
| 23:27:27 | CosmicPenguin | then type "make uclibc" and watch the errors go by |
| 23:27:48 | KeyserSoze | wget -P $(DL_DIR) --passive $(UCLIBC_URI)/$(UCLIBC_SOURCE) ; \ is in my Makefile |
| 23:28:21 | KeyserSoze | it just gave me the same error i posted above |
| 23:28:34 | KeyserSoze | (typing make uclibc, that is) |
| 23:30:06 | CosmicPenguin | Get rid ofthe @ before the wget line.... |
| 23:30:10 | CosmicPenguin | then you can see whats going on |
| 23:31:46 | KeyserSoze | there is no @ in the makefile |
| 23:32:30 | KeyserSoze | before the wget, anyway |
| 23:33:08 | KeyserSoze | while [ ! -f $(DL_DIR)/$(UCLIBC_SOURCE) ] ; do \ |
| 23:33:09 | KeyserSoze | wget -P $(DL_DIR) --passive $(UCLIBC_URI)/$(UCLIBC_SOURCE) ; \ |
| 23:33:09 | KeyserSoze | done; |
| 23:33:24 | KeyserSoze | ^ is what it says in the makefile |
| 23:35:49 | KeyserSoze | so, UCLIBC_SOURCE is equivalent to uClibc-snapshot.tar.gz? |
| 23:36:43 | Hiraghm | pokes BZFlag |
| 23:36:50 | KeyserSoze | it's definately not in my DL_DIR (buildroot-tux/sources/dl) |
| 23:38:26 | Russ|werk | what does UCLIBC_SOURCE equal? |
| 23:38:26 | KeyserSoze | maybe i'll type that wget line at the prompt, but replace the UCLIBLC and DL_DIR with what they mean... |
| 23:38:35 | KeyserSoze | UCLIBC_SOURCE is equivalent to uClibc-snapshot.tar.gz? |
| 23:38:38 | KeyserSoze | maybe? |
| 23:38:43 | Russ|werk | I dunno, is it? |
| 23:38:46 | Russ|werk | why not check |
| 23:38:46 | KeyserSoze | is there a way to tell? |
| 23:38:48 | KeyserSoze | how? |
| 23:39:07 | Russ|werk | grep UCLIBC_SOURCE Makefile |
| 23:39:07 | KeyserSoze | i tried echo $UCLIBC_SOURCE |
| 23:39:12 | KeyserSoze | oh, okay |
| 23:39:41 | KeyserSoze | UCLIBC_SOURCE=uClibc-snapshot.tar.gz |
| 23:39:44 | KeyserSoze | thanks |
| 23:42:51 | KeyserSoze | it's downloading |
| 23:44:36 | | Hiraghm is nothing but a rank pile of hacked-up cold sores. |
| 23:44:36 | BZFlag | ibot: insult Hiraghm |
| 23:52:06 | KeyserSoze | it was working for a while |
| 23:52:27 | KeyserSoze | and then, "+ '[' '!' -f /home/gazicm/buildroot-tux/sources/dl/tinylogin.tar.gz ']' |
| 23:52:27 | KeyserSoze | + wget -P /home/gazicm/buildroot-tux/sources/dl --passive http://tinylogin.lineo.com/tinylogin.tar.gz |
| 23:52:27 | KeyserSoze | --18:53:27-- http://tinylogin.lineo.com/tinylogin.tar.gz |
| 23:52:27 | KeyserSoze | => `/home/gazicm/buildroot-tux/sources/dl/tinylogin.tar.gz' |
| 23:52:27 | KeyserSoze | Connecting to tinylogin.lineo.com:80... connected! |
| 23:52:27 | KeyserSoze | HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found |
| 23:52:29 | KeyserSoze | 18:53:28 ERROR 404: Not Found. |
| 23:54:41 | KeyserSoze | i can't even see http://tinylogin.lineo.com is a web browser |
| 23:55:13 | | scanline was last seen on #tuxscreen 3 hours, 16 minutes and 28 seconds ago, saying: is away: packing his stuff up in time for Kris to get his lazy ass here [Tue Jan 8 20:38:45 2002] |
| 23:55:13 | KeyserSoze | ibot: seen scanline? |
| 23:56:19 | KeyserSoze | so maybe someone will take pity on me and tell me an alternate source of tinylogin? |