| 00:00:28 | WarWizard | GPSFan, for what? |
| 00:00:32 | GPSFan | SpaceCoaster: and there is no netstat in the stable branch of busybox. |
| 00:00:48 | WarWizard | the diagram only has one .1uF cap on it |
| 00:01:04 | GPSFan | WarWizard: I found I needed one on the TO output from the tux, or I got bad ID's |
| 00:01:09 | WarWizard | the one on the lart site calls for 8 330pf caps |
| 00:01:34 | GPSFan | WarWizard: I found I only needed one. |
| 00:01:40 | SpaceCoaster | GPSFan: yeah I had some problems too, mount was doing the lookup from fstab and glueing various fields together and trying to use that. I think you have to specify it all and not assume it can use /etc/fstab at all. |
| 00:02:39 | WarWizard | GPSFan: Which is the TO output? |
| 00:02:42 | GPSFan | SpaceCoaster: yeah, I found that mount would work fine when you specified both device & node, but didn't like fstab at all. |
| 00:03:30 | GPSFan | WarWizard: pin 7 of the tux jtag connector. |
| 00:03:55 | GPSFan | WarWizard: s/TO/TDO |
| 00:04:13 | WarWizard | Ok. And just put it inline? |
| 00:04:30 | GPSFan | WarWizard: from pin 7 to ground. |
| 00:04:39 | WarWizard | Ok |
| 00:06:01 | GPSFan | WarWizard: also make sure that you disonnect it after you successfully flash blob. my tux would reset itself if the jtag was left connected. |
| 00:06:27 | WarWizard | Ok |
| 00:06:30 | WarWizard | I will |
| 00:07:50 | SpaceCoaster | GPSFan: we have a fleet of ice yachts (well 4) parked outside our house today |
| 00:08:27 | GPSFan | SpaceCoaster: wow, ice yachts as in ice boats (go fast kind)? |
| 00:09:48 | SpaceCoaster | yeah, you say tomatoes I say tomatoes... we live beside a lake which is frozen to about 8 inches, no snow here but lots of ice. |
| 00:11:04 | SpaceCoaster | we are about the only people on the lake at this time of year so the ice boaters asked to use our house as a marina, really looks cool! |
| 00:11:24 | GPSFan | SpaceCoaster: our pond is frozen but is not big enough for anything but scating. 8-9" thick. I have to chop a hole in it every dat for the horses to drink from, today there was about 3" frozen in the hole, which is about 5-6" deep. |
| 00:11:47 | GPSFan | s/scating/scateing ;>) |
| 00:12:12 | SpaceCoaster | our lake is 1 mile across and 4 miles around, we walked/sledded it today. |
| 00:12:30 | SpaceCoaster | used the GPS to measure it! |
| 00:13:38 | GPSFan | SpaceCoaster: we still have about 3" of snow left in various places, it was +11F this morning. but a real nice day after it warmed up to 30. |
| 00:14:16 | SpaceCoaster | the ice boating is a crazy sport, they need the correct sequence of weather, dry+cold, for several days, a soon as it snows it's over. |
| 00:15:10 | GPSFan | SpaceCoaster: so did you get pivot root to work automatically upon bootup or did you have to type in all the commands by hand? |
| 00:15:38 | SpaceCoaster | GPSFan: works from bootup, shall I mail you my linuxrc? |
| 00:16:19 | GPSFan | SpaceCoaster: thank's I'd like to see it. |
| 00:17:26 | GPSFan | SpaceCoaster: did you twrak /etc/pcmcia/network &network.opt too? |
| 00:17:40 | GPSFan | s/twrak/tweak |
| 00:17:42 | SpaceCoaster | GPSFan: no |
| 00:18:22 | GPSFan | SpaceCoaster: all in linuxrc? |
| 00:18:23 | SpaceCoaster | GPSFan: can't find your email |
| 00:18:49 | GPSFan | try dcc |
| 00:20:46 | SpaceCoaster | probably doesn't work through my firewall, must fix it |
| 00:21:25 | GPSFan | ah, thought it was on my end, I found your e-mail, I'll send you something and you can reply. |
| 00:21:42 | SpaceCoaster | cheers |
| 00:23:36 | GPSFan | SpaceCoaster: i switched both of my slots to 5V, with just one wire, they work fine with my old MHZ ethernet card, Iomega Clik drive, 170Mb Integral drive as well. |
| 00:23:42 | SpaceCoaster | GPSFan: got it, sent it |
| 00:24:59 | GPSFan | SpaceCoaster: gotit. |
| 00:27:31 | GPSFan | SpaceCoaster: I'll try that, thanks. |
| 00:28:18 | SpaceCoaster | GPSFan: I think the umount of /proc and the cd to the mount point are the crucial bits. |
| 00:29:32 | SpaceCoaster | the stuff after the pivot_root only happens if pivot_root or the exec /linuxrc (on the new filesystem) fails. |
| 00:30:22 | SpaceCoaster | GPSFan: one question, are you indeed a GPS fan? |
| 00:30:48 | GPSFan | SpaceCoaster: I spent a lot of time fiddiling with /etc/pcmcia/network so that when I inserted my card it would go out and get an ip address and when I pulled out the card it would shut down properly. that's where I ran into the busybox problems. I haven't got them all figured out yet. |
| 00:31:33 | GPSFan | SpaceCoaster: GPS , oh yes. I've been doing various things with GPS since before the constellation was operational. |
| 00:31:56 | SpaceCoaster | GPSFan: ahh, I hit the reset button when I do that. |
| 00:33:08 | SpaceCoaster | GPSFan: we go geocaching with our nephews, good fun, possibly not the original use for GPS tho' :-) |
| 00:34:06 | GPSFan | SpaceCoaster: there are a bunch of scripts that break under busybox. I've patched some of them, and even compiled in the unstable branch to get netstat, but alas netstat doesn't quite work the same either. ;>( |
| 00:34:22 | GPSFan | SpaceCoaster: geocaching can be a blast. |
| 00:38:39 | SpaceCoaster | GPSFan: could you hack together a minimalist version of /etc/pcmcia/network? |
| 00:40:18 | GPSFan | SpaceCoaster: sure, once I've got the major bugs out. I tried ot change something last night, and everytine I plugged in my card thesystem hung. so I still don't really know what I'm doing. ;>) |
| 00:44:20 | scanline | is back (gone 07:50:53) |
| 02:20:37 | spd_racer911 | hey GPSFan |
| 02:34:59 | GPSFan | spd_racer911: hey, what's up? just off at dinner... |
| 02:42:17 | spd_racer911 | Hi, Just wanted to make sure you got your pivot_root stuff working...I also had trouble with the /etc/pcmcia/network stuff |
| 02:42:39 | spd_racer911 | but I just use ifconfig from /linuxrc to setup my network stuff |
| 02:51:07 | GPSFan | spd_racer911: well, I haven't gotten it working yet, SpaceCaoster gave me his linuxrc, and I think I'm on the right track now. |
| 02:52:01 | spd_racer911 | ok, I saw a ping from you a couple of days ago, but I was not looking at the irc stuff for a couple of hours... |
| 02:52:10 | GPSFan | spd_racer911: after I got the insert/eject working, it now interfers with the pivot_root stuff in linuxrc. :>( but not for long... |
| 02:53:14 | spd_racer911 | I did get the pivot root stuff working. I downloaded familiar and have some of it working... |
| 02:53:29 | GPSFan | spd_racer911: yeah, irc has been having problems with disconnecting without the users knowing it, so things seem quiet for hours then all of a sudden you find you are not connected anymore. |
| 02:53:49 | spd_racer911 | I would like to fix my /etc/pcmcia/network stuff also... |
| 02:54:15 | WarWizard | GPSFan, quick question for you. on the 74AC244 the pin numbering is in a funky ordering. Am I supposed to follow the pin numbering or something else? |
| 02:54:41 | spd_racer911 | once you have your /etc/pcmcia/network stuff working properly maybe you could post it to the mailing list? |
| 02:54:42 | WarWizard | is back (gone 02:56:51) |
| 02:54:46 | GPSFan | spd_racer911: there are some problems in busybox which are fairly easily solved by minor alterations in the network & network.opts scripts. |
| 02:55:09 | spd_racer911 | yeah I was looking at that those scripts... |
| 02:55:55 | spd_racer911 | on other topic, a friend of mine here locally has back ported the the wheaties patches into the 2.4.7 kernel so now we have |
| 02:56:05 | spd_racer911 | a working phone and touchscreen! |
| 02:56:22 | GPSFan | spd_racer911: but now that I've got the linuxrc info, I'm off to make them work together. I'm a real newbie at linux, I'm trying to learn the software side while doing hardware stuff. |
| 02:57:08 | spd_racer911 | yeah I understand...I'm a EE trying to learn how to program correctly! |
| 02:58:25 | spd_racer911 | where we had trouble with uClibc, we have been linking dynamically with libc. |
| 02:59:30 | GPSFan | spd_racer911: gotcha! I'm an EE too, although I've had been working with unix like os's fo a long time, never did any real programming... |
| 03:01:17 | spd_racer911 | same here...always a user...never a real programmer until now...now I want to either start doing embedded contract work or get a position doing embedded software and hardware in the Denver, CO area. |
| 03:02:11 | GPSFan | spd_racer911: you are in CO? I'm in paonia, on the western slope... |
| 03:02:30 | spd_racer911 | I'm in Louisville, CO...near Boulder CO |
| 03:02:49 | spd_racer911 | where is Paonia exactly? |
| 03:03:13 | GPSFan | spd_racer911: Delta county, east about 75mi from GJ. |
| 03:04:06 | spd_racer911 | ok, I have been through Grand Junction a few times...I go Mtn. Biking in Moab, UT at least twice a year |
| 03:07:12 | spd_racer911 | I just pulled up mapquest..now I see exactly where Paonia is! |
| 03:08:40 | GPSFan | I'm at 107 34.437" 38 53.894" |
| 03:09:15 | spd_racer911 | Those map coords ? |
| 03:10:19 | GPSFan | lon/lat |
| 03:20:13 | spd_racer911 | |
| 03:42:15 | GPSFan | WarWizard: sorry I missed your question about the AC244. |
| 03:45:06 | GPSFan | WarWizard: the 244 pin numbers on http://tuxscreen.net/download/schematics/jtag2.pdf are set up for easy PCB layout. follow the schematic and you should be ok... |
| 03:47:05 | GPSFan | WarWizard: with the possible addition of a 330pf cap on pin 7 of the Tux connector or pin 17 of the 244. |
| 03:49:23 | WarWizard | I'm a bit lost with the schematic. What I have is the IC is numbered 1-10 down one side and 11-20 on the other, but the schematics have 2, 4, 6, 8, 11, 13. |
| 03:50:12 | WarWizard | I'm a far cry from an EE.. I can barely solder decently |
| 03:50:13 | GPSFan | WarWizard: ok, the 244 has half of its buffers connected left to right, and the other half connected right to left. |
| 03:51:10 | GPSFan | WarWizard: they are also interleaved. |
| 03:55:34 | GPSFan | WarWizard: the 541 used in the LART design is a "flow through" buffer . |
| 03:56:45 | GPSFan | WarWizard: most EE's cant solder worth a damn. my good fortune was to learn how from a really good TECHNICIAN. |
| 03:57:26 | spd_racer911 | GPSFan: me too! |
| 03:58:59 | GPSFan | spd_racer911: soldering is an artform. did you see my jtag? ftp://ftp.desertweyr.com/pub/Image13.jpg not a great job, but adequate. |
| 04:00:09 | spd_racer911 | GPSFan: nice, deab bug style! |
| 04:04:34 | GPSFan | spd_racer911: I went back to the original network & network.opts, an put in SpaceCoaster's llinux RC, did some tweakint for my setup, but am still getting "device or resource busy" when I try to pivor_root. |
| 04:08:10 | spd_racer911 | GPSFan: here is my linuxrc stuff which relates to pivot_root |
| 04:08:19 | spd_racer911 | if test -x /mnt/linuxrc ; then |
| 04:08:25 | spd_racer911 | umount /proc |
| 04:08:31 | spd_racer911 | cd /mnt/ |
| 04:08:37 | spd_racer911 | pivot_root /mnt /mnt/initrd && exec /linuxrc |
| 04:08:43 | spd_racer911 | mount /proc |
| 04:08:50 | spd_racer911 | fi |
| 04:09:03 | spd_racer911 | that is it |
| 04:10:22 | GPSFan | spd_racer911: that's almost exactly what I've got, I'm on anothe machine so I can't paste it. I verified that /proc was umounted by putting echo's in at various points. |
| 04:11:24 | GPSFan | spd_racer911: maybe it has something to do with initrd, it is a dir in /mnt that you create beforehand with mkdir /initrd. correct? |
| 04:12:21 | GPSFan | s//initrd/initrd in the /mnt directory. |
| 04:14:56 | spd_racer911 | I was wondering about the initrd directory should be also, so what I have is, /mnt/initrd and /mnt/familiar/initrd (which I normally pivot_root to) |
| 04:15:09 | spd_racer911 | hey rsh |
| 04:15:20 | rsh | hey dave |
| 04:18:26 | spd_racer911 | GPSFan: what I do is mount my new root filesystem (Familiar) to /mnt : Then in there is a linuxrc and an initrd directory |
| 04:19:54 | GPSFan | spd_racer911: so there is a initrd directory in fmailiar? along with bin & sbin &etc... |
| 04:20:22 | spd_racer911 | scanline: Do you know what is different in your kernel available on the download section of the Tuxscreen web site and the regular 0.4 tuxscreen kernel. rsh is having problems getting his touch screen to work when using the standard 0.4 kernel? |
| 04:20:46 | scanline | spd_racer911: my kernel? |
| 04:22:08 | spd_racer911 | scanline: opps wrong person! There is a kernel here : http://www.tuxscreen.net/download/picogui/0.1/ (but I have the wrong person...sorry!) |
| 04:22:24 | scanline | spd_racer911: Yeah, GoRK complied that one |
| 04:22:29 | scanline | i've been looking for GoRK too... |
| 04:23:41 | spd_racer911 | GPSFan: yeah I made the inird in the familiar directory...the bin and sbin were already there...the reason is due to the sketchy documentation (or my understanding of pivot_root) |
| 04:24:15 | spd_racer911 | rsh: we will have to ask GoRK about that kernel |
| 04:25:38 | WarWizard | GPSFan: What happened to pins 10 and 20, are they unconnected? |
| 04:27:11 | WarWizard | or should 10 > GND and 20 > VCC |
| 04:27:19 | GPSFan | WarWizard: sorry, those are the power & ground pins, they don't always show up on the part. 10 is gnd, 20 is 3.3V |
| 04:27:54 | WarWizard | Where does the 3.3V come from? parallel bus? |
| 04:29:55 | GPSFan | WarWizard: the 3.3V comes from the tux on pin 12. |
| 04:30:22 | WarWizard | duh.. i can't read this well :) |
| 04:30:47 | WarWizard | Acrobat has good zoom features but I can't get it to rotate. xpdf can rotate but the zoom feature sucks |
| 04:31:30 | GPSFan | WarWizard: you should use Windows ;>) |
| 04:33:06 | WarWizard | lol. I've been dual booting linux/Win2k, but I got CounterStrike running using Wine so I dont need Windows anymore :) |
| 04:34:26 | GPSFan | WarWizard: it's nice to be microsoft free, but alas, I've got so much stuff running on Win98 that I have to have a real machine, so I have one for Win98 I several for Linux. ;>) |
| 04:35:59 | WarWizard | I only have room for 2 pcs and my g/f wont use linux so she has win98. |
| 04:36:20 | WarWizard | Found a place for rent down the street and I'm trying to get her to move |
| 04:37:17 | WarWizard | Then I can have a bunch of PCs :) |
| 04:39:39 | GPSFan | WarWizard: but no gf ;>( |
| 04:40:46 | WarWizard | I'm off to try and solder this thing now |
| 04:42:22 | GPSFan | WarWizard: good luck. |
| 04:42:56 | WarWizard | Thanks. I need it haha |
| 04:43:02 | GPSFan | WarWizard: don't forget the 330pf cap, and the .1 bypass, both are important. |
| 04:43:50 | WarWizard | I got the 330pf, I'm trying to find a .1uf I know I have a few left |
| 04:46:44 | GPSFan | spd_racer911: hey, I got pivot_root to get past the device busy error. the trick was that the put_old needed to be a directory on the new filesystem. |
| 04:48:24 | GPSFan | spd_racer911: where did you get your familar? |
| 04:50:14 | spd_racer911 | GPSFan: hold on I will get the link for you... |
| 04:50:31 | GPSFan | thanks. |
| 04:51:44 | spd_racer911 | ftp://ftp.handhelds.org/pub/linux/dists/familiar/releases/v0.4/install/H3600/task-familiar-complete.tar.gz |
| 04:53:03 | spd_racer911 | GPSFan: you will also need to create some nodes in the /dev directory similiar to what the Tuxscreen already has...I just copied /dev from my running microwindows root filesystem over to /mnt/familiar/dev |
| 04:53:33 | GPSFan | spd_racer911: downloading now, do I do this before pivoting? |
| 04:54:01 | spd_racer911 | GPSFan: yes. |
| 04:54:08 | spd_racer911 | Another good thing |
| 04:54:59 | spd_racer911 | to do is but a /bin/sh in your original /linuxrc in case your pivot_root stuff does not work exactly...this way you can |
| 04:55:11 | GPSFan | spd_racer911: ok, that may have been my problem with the familar I got. I got all sorts of errors but did get to the familar login. but thw system was so hoswed it wouldn't do anything. |
| 04:55:49 | spd_racer911 | edit the /linuxrc in the flash and turn off the pivot_root stuff |
| 04:56:19 | spd_racer911 | ...this way you can edit the /linuxrc in the flash and turn off the pivot_root stuff |
| 04:57:09 | GPSFan | spd_racer911: I just pulled the pcmcia card and it booted back up to good old tux. |
| 04:59:15 | spd_racer911 | GPSFan: are you pivot_root(ing) to a pcmcia based file system ? |
| 05:00:03 | GPSFan | spd_racer911: no to a nfs filesystem |
| 05:00:52 | spd_racer911 | GPSFan: so what did you mean by pulling the card and having tux come back on reboot? Do you have the /etc/pcmcia/network stuff working now? |
| 05:02:06 | GPSFan | spd_racer911: after booting without the pcmcia ethernet I plugged it in and brought the network up and mounted the remote filesystem by hannd. |
| 05:04:21 | spd_racer911 | GPSFan: sweet. Could you let us know what you fixed, I tried messing with my /etc/pcmcia/network* scripts but to no avail. Maybe you could post your tweaks to the mailing list ? |
| 05:04:21 | GPSFan | spd_racer911: my fixes seemed to be conflicting with the pivot_root stuff, so I went back to the original network & network.opts. |
| 05:04:35 | spd_racer911 | ok |
| 05:05:49 | GPSFan | spd_racer911: I will, a lot of the scripts are broken because busybox doesn't act quite like it's real counterparts. there are tweaks to fix most problems, but there are some that andersee will have to fix. |
| 05:07:18 | GPSFan | spd_racer911: for example try mount -t proc in both a real linux system and on a tux. |
| 05:08:30 | GPSFan | spd_racer911: the busybox system always prints all of the moiunted file systems, ignoring the -t. here the fix is mount |grep proc. which produces the same result as the real mount -t proc. |
| 05:13:40 | spd_racer911 | GPSFan: ok, thanks for the info...I have to go. |
| 06:30:02 | WarWizard | does the happy dance |
| 06:30:06 | WarWizard | I got a working jtag |
| 06:30:10 | WarWizard | I should take a pic of it haha |
| 06:42:01 | Russ | what'd you do? |
| 06:44:34 | WarWizard | I got some radio shack parts and followed GPSfan's directions. I can run jflash and have it show info, and i just sent blob to it |
| 06:45:00 | Russ | I usually just grab the closest AHC chip and wire it up |
| 06:45:28 | WarWizard | Well I had no clue as to what I am doing |
| 06:45:46 | WarWizard | I can't solder and I don't know anything about electronics really |
| 06:46:05 | WarWizard | I mean I can put together a PC no problem, but I can't design a circuit or anything |
| 06:46:19 | Russ | connect the 4 lines either side, connect GND across and to the chip |
| 06:46:28 | Russ | connect vpp from the device to the chip vpp |
| 06:46:42 | WarWizard | something like that |
| 06:47:13 | Russ | and maye hook a cap up across vpp/gnd |
| 06:48:25 | WarWizard | Ya, I also have a cap between gnd and TDO |
| 06:48:48 | Russ | why? |
| 06:49:31 | WarWizard | What I was told is that if I dont there is an issue with jflash getting the device ID |
| 06:50:05 | Russ | prolly unneeded |
| 06:50:52 | WarWizard | shrugs |
| 07:41:19 | Russ | hey andersee |
| 07:59:33 | andersee | Hey Russ |
| 07:59:45 | andersee | Hows it goin? |
| 08:07:42 | Russ | goin' good |
| 08:10:37 | andersee | nice holiday? |
| 08:23:43 | Russ | eh, kinda boring |
| 08:23:46 | Russ | took a winter class |
| 08:29:45 | andersee | That does sound kindof boring. |
| 08:29:47 | andersee | :) |
| 08:35:05 | scanline | Hmm... I need a cool name for a web browser |
| 08:36:06 | | Mozilla is made in JavaScript? |
| 08:36:06 | andersee | How about Mozilla? |
| 08:36:08 | andersee | ;-) |
| 08:36:19 | scanline | hmm... |
| 08:36:22 | scanline | scratches head |
| 08:36:27 | scanline | i think that one's taken |
| 08:36:31 | andersee | oh |
| 08:36:34 | andersee | bummer |
| 08:36:46 | andersee | Is it for picogui? |
| 08:36:50 | scanline | i could call it Hypertext Voyager :) |
| 08:36:51 | scanline | yep |
| 08:37:33 | andersee | Atomic Navigator |
| 08:37:40 | scanline | :) |
| 08:38:32 | andersee | pView |
| 08:39:29 | scanline | I think QNX already has one named Voyager |
| 08:39:43 | scanline | Atomic Navigator would lead to a cool logo |
| 08:40:09 | scanline | pView... a lot like ViewML? |
| 08:40:14 | scanline | What did ViewML stand for? |
| 08:41:31 | scanline | hmm... |
| 08:41:40 | scanline | "tiny 900kb" is an oxymoron |
| 08:41:48 | scanline | tiny is like 4k |
| 08:41:55 | scanline | small is less than 1MB |
| 08:45:40 | andersee | Hmm |
| 08:45:52 | andersee | Dunno what viewml means |
| 08:46:15 | scanline | i like atomic navigator |
| 08:46:19 | andersee | heh |
| 08:46:26 | andersee | gets a gold star |
| 08:46:31 | scanline | hehe |
| 09:32:41 | andersee | Well, python now compiles and seems to run just fine with uClibc. |
| 09:33:08 | andersee | Only 1.4 meg... |
| 09:33:11 | andersee | heh |
| 09:33:19 | andersee | doesn't use python |
| 09:38:00 | Tangent | python is lazy man's language... :) |
| 09:38:14 | Tangent | I've started liking python these days |
| 14:23:16 | Ciaran | Heya. :) |
| 15:34:10 | scanline | is away: ZzZzZzZzZzzzzzzzzzz |
| 21:19:16 | WarWizard | Anyone around that can help me out a little? |
| 21:20:24 | WarWizard | I'm using the inferno software and just did c F!all D!inferno.backup and the shannon went through and said reading read quick. But the file size of inferno.backup is still 0 |
| 22:27:56 | scanline | is back (gone 06:53:46) |
| 23:54:06 | Keyser | anyone home? |
| 23:54:24 | file | me |
| 23:54:59 | Keyser | more precisely, does anyone here know how to log into a tux over the serial port? (i have it up and running micro-windows, and when i run minicom when booting the tux, it asks for a log in) |
| 23:55:29 | Keyser | so i went to /etc/passwd, and saw the users. how do i know the password |
| 23:55:30 | Keyser | ? |
| 23:57:32 | file | just hit enter? |
| 23:57:39 | Keyser | nope |
| 23:57:49 | Keyser | it needs a name and password |
| 23:58:00 | Keyser | how do i know from a terminal what user i am? |
| 23:58:09 | file | just type in root... |
| 23:58:53 | file | Futurama! |
