| 00:06:43 | BZFlag | Dr_Xenon: I got that sometimes when the 12v was not connected well. you are soldered? |
| 00:06:58 | BZFlag | Dr_Xenon: I thought the mod you were talking about was for the 5v pcmcia. |
| 00:07:24 | BZFlag | the flash unlock only needs to be done once, so I just connect to the pins, no soldering. |
| 00:08:07 | BZFlag | reboot the phone and do a "P/u 0" without 12v applied and see if you jsut get a normal waiting for 12v and then a timeout. |
| 00:08:48 | BZFlag | I assume you are on the pins on the bottom as on: http://TuxScreen.net/wiki/view/Main/FlashUnlock |
| 00:09:02 | BZFlag | er, pads, not pins. sorry. |
| 00:10:13 | file | frowns |
| 00:11:07 | kernelwork | goes home |
| 00:12:04 | file | gah dang it |
| 00:12:07 | file | stupid ICQ. |
| 00:12:37 | file | it ain't working |
| 00:13:42 | Russ | use oscar |
| 00:14:01 | Dr_Xenon | P/u 0 without 12V applied gives "wating for 12 V (10 sec) and then ?<undefined error> |
| 00:14:04 | file | I can't logon through the actual ICQ app, and I can't logon via Jabber |
| 00:14:42 | Russ | use gaim 0.50, and login with oscar |
| 00:14:55 | file | I'm not on Linux |
| 00:15:10 | Russ | you are pooched |
| 00:19:15 | Dr_Xenon | i soldered wires to Vpp and D_GND. frustrating; so close to linux heaven but still trapped in the inferno for my many sins. |
| 00:20:36 | file | lol |
| 00:21:43 | Dr_Xenon | it's P/u zero, right? |
| 00:24:24 | BZFlag | yep |
| 00:24:47 | BZFlag | you have rebooted and still get the <undefined error> ? |
| 00:25:01 | Dr_Xenon | yessir |
| 00:25:14 | BZFlag | what speed are you connecting at? switch to 9600 if that's not where you are. |
| 00:26:12 | BZFlag | try locking, then unlocking again. |
| 00:26:13 | Dr_Xenon | i'm using 38400 now, but i have tried at 9600. i'll try again. |
| 00:26:54 | Russ | you sure its 12V |
| 00:27:00 | Russ | get a multimeter |
| 00:28:50 | BZFlag | "P/p demon" then P/m |
| 00:28:58 | Dr_Xenon | is definitely 12 V. what's the command for lock? |
| 00:29:05 | Dr_Xenon | is P/p demon? |
| 00:29:06 | Russ | why is it definately 12V |
| 00:29:44 | Dr_Xenon | because i went to EE graduate school for 3 years :-) (i checked with voltmeter) |
| 00:30:06 | Russ | is the 12V sense GPIO showing it? |
| 00:30:29 | BZFlag | Russ: yes, at least sboot stops waiting and thinks it has 12v |
| 00:31:17 | BZFlag | Dr_Xenon: yeah, do a "P/p demon" then "P/m" to see if you get f's then a "P/u demon" and a "P/m" again. |
| 00:34:45 | Dr_Xenon | doesn't want to lock; many 3s. 0 at 8000-bfff. those numbers came down from f but now they won't move. |
| 00:36:02 | Dr_Xenon | what does 3 mean, anyhow? |
| 00:36:17 | BZFlag | I'm not sure the exact meaning. |
| 00:36:32 | BZFlag | there are 2 flash chips and both need to get locked/unlocked. |
| 00:37:05 | BZFlag | for each block. so when both are unlocked, you get a 0 and both locked you get f's |
| 00:37:16 | BZFlag | somewhere in between gets other values. |
| 00:38:13 | BZFlag | If it won't lock either, then it appears there is a wiring issue. perhaps a trace is damaged? |
| 00:38:36 | file | User caused fatal damage to device, Please contact Tim Riker ASAP. :) |
| 00:38:54 | BZFlag | did you solder on leads? have you ever applied anything other than 12v or applied voltage to other pins? |
| 00:40:45 | Dr_Xenon | i did some creative ham-handed soldering. 0.25mm wire leads. i did have a solder bridge at one point that shorted Vpp to D_GND. (did you know that radio shack power supplies don't have fuses?) |
| 00:41:14 | BZFlag | 8000-bfff was unprotected to begin with. |
| 00:42:05 | BZFlag | get you meter out and test for 12v later on down the tracings. |
| 00:42:11 | BZFlag | er your meter. |
| 00:42:40 | BZFlag | look for broken tracings, shorts, desoldered pins etc. |
| 00:43:33 | BZFlag | the flash data sheets are linked from the wiki. might want to test the flash enable pins directly. (though don't short pins on there! ;-) |
| 00:44:18 | GPSFan | Dr_Xenon: re the RadioShack Power Supply, is it a wall wart type? There might be excessive ripple, since it is essentially running unloaded. |
| 00:45:12 | andersee | Dr_Xenon: Try using batteries.... |
| 00:45:26 | BZFlag | andersee: good thought. |
| 00:46:05 | Dr_Xenon | thanks for the suggestions; i will try with batteries. |
| 00:47:53 | GPSFan | Dr_Xenon: you could put 1K in series with your 12V since there is laready ~30K on the board from the 12V to the pins of the flash chips, and 100K on the top end of the voltage divider for the GPIO sense. |
| 00:49:45 | Dr_Xenon | 12 V seems incredibly high to me; the chips i'm working on now want to be around 0.8 V and would cook themselves off at anything over 1.1 ! |
| 00:51:18 | GPSFan | Dr_Xenon: read the datasheet: http://tuxscreen.net/download/schematics/am29lv160.pdf |
| 00:54:39 | Dr_Xenon | i think 29160 has its own charge pump; we should be able to program without applying 12V. |
| 00:59:40 | GPSFan | Dr_Xenon: I made the same assumption once. the 12 is not for actual programming, but is a "temporary sector unprotect" signal. |
| 01:02:26 | Dr_Xenon | i'm not questioning you, but it seems incredibly stupid to make a 3V-programmable eeprom that, by the way, needs a 12V supply to unlock. |
| 01:04:07 | BZFlag | I agree. a separate 3.3v (un)lock enable pin would make more sense to me. alas, what's done it done. |
| 01:04:19 | GPSFan | Dr_Xenon: it only needs it to unlock. it's billed as a "feature" so that no software that a hacker can load will be able to write over your precious code (if it is in a locked sector) |
| 01:05:09 | GPSFan | Dr_Xenon: a software hacker that is, hardware types have no trouble. ;>) |
| 01:07:50 | Dr_Xenon | there is a via at 10 o'clock of the Vpp pad. should the pad be shorted to the via? |
| 01:08:01 | file | dances |
| 01:08:08 | file | my new cellphone gets sent out January 2nd |
| 01:18:26 | GPSFan | Dr_Xenon: this might help: http://tuxscreen.net/download/schematics/flashdetail.jpg |
| 01:19:21 | BZFlag | don't have a phone here (at work) to check. sorry. |
| 01:21:44 | BZFlag | speaking of which, I should go home. cya all. |
| 04:45:11 | jacquesZzZz | yo yo yo |
| 04:45:18 | jacquesZzZz | im hooooome |
| 15:02:26 | prpplague | good fsck'n morning |
| 15:29:16 | prpplague | morning mallum |
| 15:29:21 | prpplague | morning gork |
| 15:29:33 | prpplague | whats new mallum |
| 15:32:12 | mallum | prpplague: happy new year ;) |
| 15:32:42 | mallum | prpplague: not a lot new ... debating internally on weather or not to pull my phone apart and put it in a new box. |
| 15:42:09 | prpplague | mallum: same here |
| 15:42:27 | prpplague | mallum: i've been looking at that tuxpad design |
| 15:42:34 | prpplague | mallum: he did a nice job |
| 15:42:49 | file | I don't want all the phone features! |
| 15:42:56 | file | I just want the computer, screen, and keyboard. |
| 15:43:09 | prpplague | file: yankem |
| 15:43:19 | file | I don't have a Tuxscreen though. |
| 15:44:00 | prpplague | file: oh come on, surely you can write help some jock out with his homework for a few $$ |
| 15:44:20 | file | NOPE |
| 15:44:44 | file | er nope |
| 15:45:31 | file | I think a WebSurfer box would be neat... |
| 15:45:38 | file | but I like the touchscreen features of the TuxScreen |
| 15:45:41 | prpplague | file: ok then, find an old folks home, and tell them you teach a 1 hour class on getting connected to the internet |
| 15:45:41 | file | but it don't have much space |
| 15:47:34 | prpplague | file: or find an office building, and get a couple cans of air, charge a flat fee for going in an cleaning the pcs and scanning for viruses |
| 15:47:44 | file | It comes with a 180MHz Cyrix MediaGX processor with integrated graphics and sound, a full 56K modem (that should work with Linux), and 16MB of memory. You just have to supply the 2.5" hard drive. |
| 15:47:49 | prpplague | file: there is always a quick buck to be had |
| 15:48:20 | prpplague | file: i really don't like the mediagx processor, i find the performance very lacking |
| 15:48:32 | file | hrm |
| 15:48:33 | file | uh huh |
| 15:48:45 | prpplague | file: there are several other SOC's that have better linux compatibility |
| 15:48:47 | file | still neat though |
| 15:49:10 | file | prpplague: http://www.jjkroll.com/~jjkroll/linux/wsp/ |
| 15:53:15 | mallum | is the audio out hack documented on the wiki ? |
| 15:53:41 | prpplague | mallum: i haven't seen it, (that doesn't mean that it is not) |
| 15:54:01 | mallum | is it possible though ? |
| 15:54:02 | prpplague | mallum: what kinda case are you looking at? |
| 15:55:05 | prpplague | mallum: you'd probably want to talk to CP or SpaceCoaster, i think they do a lot with the dsp stuff |
| 15:55:35 | mallum | yeah |
| 15:58:01 | prpplague | mallum: what kinda audio are you looking for? |
| 16:02:12 | file | thinks a Tuxscreen would be neat if you routed webcams from all over your home into it, then you could write software to monitor each room |
| 16:05:32 | mallum | prpplague: I just wanted it to play mp3's |
| 16:06:03 | file | frowns |
| 16:06:10 | file | Tuxscreen needs more space! |
| 16:10:23 | prpplague | mallum: hmm, as i understand it, the quality on the tuxscreen probably would not be very good for mp3's |
| 16:18:48 | mallum | ok |
| 16:21:25 | prpplague | mallum: again, i'm not a guru, just repeating what i heard ( does that make me a gossip?) |
| 17:42:37 | prpplague | anyone recomend a 6.4" lcd panel with touch screen? |
| 17:43:06 | file | droolz |
| 17:43:08 | file | I'd love it |
| 17:48:01 | GPSFan | prpplague: active? passive? low cost? reflective? VGA? SVGA? what do you need |
| 17:52:10 | file | lol |
| 17:52:23 | file | I want a touchscreen for my computer, how much GPSFan? |
| 18:01:33 | GPSFan | prpplague: this is a nice panel, 6.5" TFT hi brite, no touch screen though. http://www.necel.com/docs/files/642008.pdf |
| 18:01:47 | file | bah |
| 18:01:51 | prpplague | GPSFan: sorry, i'm not very educated on lcd panels, i need it for a portable devices, small size (i.e. 6.4") and 640x480 |
| 18:02:28 | GPSFan | prpplague: will it need to be used in direct sunlight? |
| 18:02:56 | prpplague | GPSFan: its possible that it might |
| 18:04:12 | GPSFan | prpplague: how important is the size? would 7.2 work? |
| 18:23:39 | prpplague | GPSFan: sorry for the delay, i'm taking support calls today |
| 18:23:49 | GPSFan | np. |
| 18:23:55 | prpplague | GPSFan: ya i want the smallest possible that supports 640x480 |
| 18:24:39 | GPSFan | prpplague: what about the integrated touch panel, there aren't too many choices in that area. |
| 18:25:36 | prpplague | GPSFan: ya i know, i'd like to find some happy medium between specs and price and size |
| 18:26:48 | GPSFan | prpplague: how about I send you some urls? |
| 18:28:32 | GPSFan | Sharp: http://sharp-world.com/products/device/lcd/index.html |
| 18:28:50 | GPSFan | Kyocera: http://www.kyocera.com/lcd/graphichtml/behind.html |
| 18:29:22 | GPSFan | Citizen: http://www.shoreline-electronics.com/lcdprod.htm |
| 18:30:07 | GPSFan | NEC: |
| 18:30:11 | GPSFan | NEC: http://www.necel.com/display/products.cfm |
| 18:30:37 | GPSFan | Optrex: http://www.optrex.com/ProductList.asp?Type=F |
| 18:31:47 | GPSFan | a different Sharp site: http://www.sharpsma.com/sma/products/display |
| 18:34:52 | prpplague | GPSFan: ok thanks |
| 18:36:39 | GPSFan | prpplague: remember that outside, the reflective or transflective panels will get you much better battery life. The Kyocera, & NEC sites have both quick and full specs. Sharp only puts quick spec's on line. ;>( |
| 18:42:27 | GPSFan | prpplague: a good resource for display info is http://www.sid.org or example: http://www.sid.org/news/newproducts.html#3 |
| 18:42:28 | prpplague | GPSFan: ok thanks, i'll do some reading |
| 19:29:24 | prpplague | dave's not here |
| 19:29:37 | prpplague | no man this is dave |
| 19:29:40 | prpplague | dave's not here |
| 19:57:42 | david | Happy New Year everyone! |
| 21:08:15 | EGg0 | is away: running to check the kiln, brb |
| 21:09:01 | EGg0 | is back (gone 00:00:46) |
| 21:11:21 | Keyser | i tried installing inferno (again). i downloaded a fresh inferno.tgz and Linux.tgz from vitanuova. i extracted them, and then copied the linuxemu from linuxemu.gz to the proper location. i ran install.sh, and it said "done" and "installation complete" at the end of the text, and then said something about a process being killed. i set my PATH variable to include the location of "emu", |
| 21:11:55 | Keyser | and then I got a new terminal, and checked the PATH variable was correct, and ran emu -r/inferno_root |
| 21:11:59 | Keyser | i for the following |
| 21:12:04 | Keyser | Inferno Third Edition (21 Jul 2000) main (pid=13921) interp |
| 21:12:04 | Keyser | SYS: process syscall faults: Segmentation violation |
| 21:12:10 | Keyser | Killed |
| 21:17:22 | EGg0 | is away: taking care of pottery business... |
| 21:17:33 | Russ | you have to replace it after install too |
| 21:20:40 | Keyser | ok. thanks |
| 21:52:51 | EGg0 | is away: pottery business again. |
| 22:34:22 | EGg0_studio | is back (gone 00:41:31) |
| 22:49:23 | Keyser | i think i flashed blob to the tux correctly, what do i have to do to start minicom as a user? |
| 22:49:53 | Keyser | i did "minicom -s" as root already, and set it to 9600 8n1 no handshaking |
| 22:52:51 | Keyser | when i start minicom as myself, it says: |
| 22:52:59 | Keyser | ** Parameter rtscts is public, but is marked private in global config file |
| 22:52:59 | Keyser | Cannot create lockfile. Sorry. |
| 23:03:05 | Keyser | i looked at a list of groups on my system, and there was one called "tty". i added myself to that group, but it didn't appear to help |
| 23:04:32 | Russ | you want 115200 |
| 23:05:16 | Keyser | on the wiki, it says start at 9600, and then switch to 115200. (but I don't know why, and i'll try 115200 if it makes a difference) |
| 23:05:28 | Russ | no, just do 115299 |
| 23:05:31 | Russ | er 115200 |
| 23:06:55 | Keyser | okay. i switched it with minicom -s as root, but when i try to start minicom as myself, it still says: |
| 23:06:59 | Keyser | ** Parameter rtscts is public, but is marked private in global config file |
| 23:06:59 | Keyser | Cannot create lockfile. Sorry. |
| 23:07:21 | Russ | just run it as root |
| 23:07:27 | Russ | minicom -os |
| 23:07:29 | Keyser | okay |
| 23:09:15 | Keyser | i see a string of crap in the minicom window, when i start (and restart) the tux |
| 23:10:57 | Keyser | yeah, new crap everytime i hit reset on the tux. |
| 23:11:16 | Russ | are you at 115200? |
| 23:11:33 | Keyser | AFAIK. I just set it in configuration |
| 23:11:44 | EGg0_studio | is away: dinner, studio, sleep, studio, studio, studio. |
| 23:11:46 | Russ | check it |
| 23:11:54 | Keyser | shit. sorry, it still says 9600. i must not have saved it |
| 23:13:43 | Keyser | thanks. i am now "LARTed" |
| 23:16:06 | Keyser | should i be root when i uuencode the kernel to the serial port? |
| 23:19:25 | Russ | don't need to be |
| 23:19:37 | Russ | flash the kernel, reboot the tuxscreen, and then flash the ramdisk |
| 23:22:10 | BZFlag | you do need write access to /dev/ttyS0 though |
| 23:22:29 | Russ | he added himself to the TTY groud |
| 23:22:33 | BZFlag | ok |
| 23:22:56 | Keyser | do i need to set minicom to 9600 to flash the kernel? that's what the wiki instructions say |
| 23:23:19 | BZFlag | that is for an older blob |
| 23:25:21 | Keyser | cool. thanks. i'm downloading the ramdisk now |
| 23:27:58 | Russ | did you reboot the tuxscreen? |
| 23:29:11 | Keyser | not yet. |
| 23:29:22 | Keyser | do i need to reboot, or type 'boot' in minicom? |
| 23:29:39 | Russ | reboot in minicom |
| 23:29:57 | Russ | between flashing kernel and ramdisk, you need to reboot for some yet unknown reason |
| 23:30:01 | Russ | (probably something I did) |
| 23:30:42 | Keyser | i'm flashing the ramdisk right now, and it seems to be progressing normally |
| 23:36:06 | Keyser | it booted right up. thanks guys. |
| 23:38:29 | Russ | np |
| 23:43:34 | BZFlag | Russ: what happens if you don't reboot? |
| 23:45:55 | Russ | sometimes it erases *very* slowly |
