irclog2html for tuxscreen on 2001.12.31

00:23:17Dr_Xenonhypothetically speaking, is there another place you can get to JTAG GND apart from the pads in the FlashUnlock document?  in case a ham-handed person obliterated the GND pad?
05:17:19Dr_Xenonanybody home?
05:20:13GPSFanno one here but us chickens...
05:25:00Dr_XenonI've never flashed my tuxscreen before (Stopped flashing when one lady called police).  Got the remote inferno thing going, but I get am error message when I type P/m: "sh: P/m: file does not exist"  What gives?
05:25:31GPSFansounds like you are not in rdb.
05:26:52Dr_Xenonis that a directory or a program?
05:29:02GPSFanthe rdb (remote debugger) program.
05:31:13Dr_Xenonthere is a mistake on tuxscreen.net/wiki/view/Main/InfernoRemote ; they have rdp where they should have rdb.  can you fix?
05:33:49GPSFanmy mistake it is rdp (remote desktop protocol) I haven't used inferno for quite some time.
05:35:07Dr_Xenondo you happen to recall what directory the rdp program lives in?
05:35:44GPSFanrdp is invoked after running linuxemu (or emu)
05:38:12Dr_Xenoni seem to get kicked out of rdp as soon as it starts.  rdp 0.17 (port=/dev/eia0, bps=9600) <sending reset> %
05:38:50GPSFanyou need to be at the >>> prompt for P/m to work, it sounds like your PC isn'tsyncing up with the Tux.
05:39:17GPSFanwhen it says sending reset it is trying to link up with the Tux.
05:40:23GPSFantry at the default of 9600baud.
05:40:35Dr_Xenontrying 9600...
05:41:01GPSFanjust the rdp -r command.
05:41:56GPSFanother problems might be serial cable related. it needs to be a null modem cable.
05:43:18Dr_Xenonrdp -r seems to default to 38400.  still no joy.  cable is purpose-built null modem.  it's conceivable that it's not using the right serial port.  will investigate.
05:44:23GPSFanok, are you running Linux? or trying to do this with a Windoze system?
05:45:44Dr_Xenoni'm embarassed to say it's win xp.
05:47:04Dr_Xenoni'm trying the other serial port now.  it's not kicking me out to the shell right away, which is a good sign.
05:47:38GPSFanok, lots of people have had trouble with various versions of Windows. even if you succeed in connecting, and unlocking the flash, you may not be able to send blob to the Tux. I had this problem with Win98SE. I built myself a Linux system, and han no problems with the exact same hardware that wouldn't worl in Windows.
05:47:57GPSFans/han/had
05:48:17GPSFans/worl/work
05:49:02Dr_Xenonthanks for the tip.  i have debian on another partition; will try that.
05:49:22GPSFanonce you get Linux installed on your Tux you will want to be able to rebuild kernels & build apps, this will require Linux & the cross compiler tools.
05:49:57GPSFandebian works for lots of people.
05:50:45Dr_Xenonthanks for your help; i hope i didn't keep you awake.
05:51:05GPSFanit is time for bed now that you mention it ...
05:51:12GPSFan nightall...
07:03:56Mornis away: crashing, burning and dreaming in code...
07:12:16scanlineBah, they stole my idea!
07:12:18scanlinehttp://www.enlightenment.org/pages/ebits.html
07:21:28GoRK was last seen on #tuxscreen 13 days, 5 hours, 23 minutes and 30 seconds ago, saying: hmm it used to be there [Tue Dec 18 01:57:58 2001]
07:21:28scanlineibot, seen GoRK?
08:04:48scanlinewb GoRK
08:21:51julienhi everybody
08:22:09Tangentjulien : Hi
08:22:17scanlinehi
08:22:48juliendid somebody try the 5V-PCMCIA hack ?
08:23:19Tangentjulien : Yep.. I've done it
08:23:46julienDoes it work all right ?
08:23:55TangentWorks fine for me
08:24:06TangentThere's two different 5V hacks actually
08:24:26TangentI did the difficult complicated one... just before GPSFan worked out a much easier way
08:24:35julienok
08:30:43julienI have some questions about the hack of GPSFan (before I scratch my tuxscreen)
08:37:26Tangentjulien : OK.. fire away
08:37:54julienHrm, I think I have no more questions :-)
08:38:22TangentThose were the easiest answers I ever gave :)
08:38:32julienI think I was drunk when I looked at the picture the first time :-)
10:33:31julienAre there software issues with the 5V pcmcia hack ?
11:05:32juliennobody is awake ?
13:52:49scanlineis away: ZzZzZzZzZzzzzzzzzzzzzz
13:52:51Mornis back (gone 06:48:53)
14:37:19Mornis away: foraging for food
14:46:12EGg0is away: going away to play in a storm :-)
14:48:13EGg0is back (gone 00:02:00)
14:59:24EGg0is away: Playing in a storm, with no umbrella :-)
15:23:48Mornis back (gone 00:46:28)
15:24:43prpplagueMorn: howdy morn
15:25:01Morngood morning
15:25:02prpplagueMorn: hows my favorite (only one i know) geekette?
15:25:20Mornok, I spent the weekend working on a java program to find prime numbers
15:25:50prpplaguedoh
15:26:11prpplagueif there was any doubt you were a geekette that removes it
15:26:32Morngiggle
15:26:58Mornremember I'm the one that wrote a java applet to do hypercube rotations trying to simulate a rubik's hyercube
15:27:21prpplaguethats cool
15:27:27prpplaguei'm not much into java
15:27:49MornI find java easy to use
15:28:24prpplaguefortran was always wasy for me to use, and cobol the worst for me to use
15:28:32MornRPG3?
15:28:35prpplagues/wasy/easy
15:29:30prpplagueis RPG3 a version of cobol?
15:29:39Mornno, it's an old language
15:29:53Mornit's very weird, though I haven't used it in AGES
15:29:58prpplagueReport Process Generator?
15:30:09Morngood question
15:31:54prpplaguehttp://internet.ls-la.net/mirrors/99bottles/
15:36:23Mornthat is pretty funny
16:12:23prpplagueMorn: http://www.ratebeer.com/ViewBeerList.asp?UserID=1210
16:14:53MornI think you showed me that one before
16:15:25prpplagueMorn: ohh, well i've add 8 new ones,
16:15:32MornI'd like to get rather intoxicated tonight, but my roommate has her children here
16:15:35prpplagueMorn: sorry i have to brag
16:15:40Mornso I don't think I'll be able to
16:15:47prpplaguebummer
16:16:23prpplaguewill be at the office supporting down systems
16:17:53Mornam I weird?  I like to just watch etherape show where data is going sometimes
16:18:03Morn"Look at the pretty pictures!"
16:19:03prpplagueMorn: i've been using ettercap for the last week or so
16:19:13MornHaven't tried that one
16:19:16prpplagueMorn: its not as pretty as etherape
16:19:27Mornetherape is nice, but it crashes sometimes
16:21:25Mornit's really nice since I have reverse dns running for the 192.168.0.x subnet I can tell which machine is doing what through the gateway
16:22:35prpplagueMorn: i had some problems using etherape on my network because we are using cisco vlans and cisco ip phones
16:23:04Mornthis is just my local lan at the house
16:23:10prpplagueohh
16:23:13Mornthough it is rather busy for a small lan
16:23:27prpplaguedownloading pr0n? lol
16:23:40MornI don't think so
16:23:58MornI'm trying to figure out how to convert some MusicNet files to MP3
16:24:05Mornsince they only give you a 30 day license
16:24:10prpplagueis just kidding around ( no offense )
16:32:31Dr_Xenonhaving problems installing inferno on my RH7.2 box.  have created inferno_root directory at /opt/inferno, owned by user/group inferno/inferno .  when i run 'sh /home/inferno/install/Linux-386.sh /opt/inferno' i get the following output:
16:33:00Dr_XenonInferno Third Edition main (pid=9506) compile
16:33:18Dr_XenonSYS: process syscall faults: Segmentation violation
16:33:43Dr_Xenondoes anyone recognize these symptoms?
16:34:39prpplaguedid you use the fixed version of dosemu from the tuxscreen page?
16:36:12Dr_Xenonnope.  how is dosemu involved? (is this documented in the vitanuova install instuctions?)
16:36:50prpplaguei don't believe so
16:36:58prpplaguelet me find the wiki page
16:39:38Dr_Xenonwiki is a four letter word.  i can never find anything there.
16:41:14prpplaguehttp://www.tuxscreen.net/wiki/view/Main/InfernoRemote
16:41:25prpplaguesorry not dosemu its linuxemu
16:42:48Dr_Xenonthanks, i see it now.
16:48:19prpplaguenp
16:49:59Dr_Xenonworks now.  you da man. (or woman)
16:51:24prpplaguelol, man that is
16:52:33prpplaguesays "the measure of a good tech is not how much he can learn and remember, but how quickly he can use his resources to find an answer"
16:54:20Dr_Xenonhee. what does linux like to call the first serial port? /dev/cua0?
16:54:48prpplaguethe accepted usage is /dev/ttyS0
16:55:24prpplaguehowever, inferno has its own syntax for refering to the serial ports
16:56:20prpplaguei believe inferno refers to serial port 0 as /dev/eia0
16:57:45Dr_Xenoni like eia0, myself.
17:00:34Dr_Xenoni have a vague recollection of playing with plan9 when i should have been studying.
17:03:14prpplaguehas vague recollection of being at the nudie bar when he should have been studying
17:05:32Dr_Xenonour visiting russian math prof spent most of his time drunk in the nudie bar.  nice work if you can get it.
17:18:17Dr_Xenonbind: no free devices
17:19:55prpplagueare you running as root?
17:20:03GPSFanDr_Xenon: you can't be root, Infernal doesn't like it if you are, aslo, the serial port needs the proper permissions.
17:21:02Dr_Xenonrunning as inferno, which is a member of groups inferno, tty
17:26:43EGg0is back (gone 02:27:17)
17:26:58EGg0is away: I'm reading a book. Do you remember books?
17:32:27GPSFanDr_Xenon: make sure the permissions are correct on the serial ports "chown them to the user or chmod a+rw them" ...was the suggestion to someone else having the same problem. from ibot's archives.
17:36:57Dr_Xenonjoy. >>> prompt, Vpp applied.  now i can do some real damage.
17:38:47Dr_Xenonfor the record, i deleted and then remade the device file, giving group r/w to the inferno group.
17:41:57GPSFan;>)
17:49:10Mornprpplague: you still around?
17:49:36prpplagueMorn: ya, i'm still here, like a bad cause of athletes foot...
17:49:42Morngiggle
17:49:44prpplagues/cause/case
17:49:49file::grumble::
17:50:01MornI just found out Windy and her kids are going to NYC for a play...  I can go party now tonight :-)
17:50:04filesprinkles anti-athlete foot on prpplague
17:50:07fileGo away! :p
17:50:45prpplagueMorn: cool
17:50:58prpplagueMorn: what ya going to do?
17:51:04Mornnow to just figure out where to go, I don't exactly live in a big area
17:51:05prpplagueMorn: get some quality beer
17:51:14MornAnd I have to walk
17:51:22Mornwhich is most likely a good idea
17:51:27prpplaguebummer
17:51:42Mornand it's REALLY cold out
17:52:07MornI don't think my town has cabs :-)
17:52:14filelayer your clothes.
17:53:15prpplagueMorn: ok how about invite a bunch ppl over and have a beer bash, beer battered onions rings, beer battered hush puppies, beer flavored cheese dip, and not to leave out just plain beer?
17:53:32fileprpplague: Not very original
17:53:33Mornthat would require friends...  ;-)
17:53:42fileexactly
17:54:07MornI just moved here a few months ago, I still don't know many people
17:54:13Mornall my friends are still in NYC
17:54:33filestep-dad's back
17:54:56prpplaguefile: not original? come on Morn was chief, she could probably cook up some good beer party favors
17:55:29Mornchef not chief
17:55:39prpplaguesorry, you know i can't spell
17:55:42Mornunless you count chief jerk
17:55:49prpplaguelol
17:55:56prpplaguei've already got that position filed
17:57:49MornI really need to convert this song to mp3 so I can play it on the other computer with better speakers
17:58:24prpplaguewell i think i'm head to lunch
19:49:54scanlineis back (gone 05:57:05)
20:03:35prpplaguehttp://www.leosys.com/leoeng/Products/IA/default.asp
20:24:15Mornprpplague: get a hold of this
20:24:25MornI call a local cab company to make plans for tonight
20:24:30prpplagueyes
20:24:32prpplagueand?
20:24:39Mornand I got told they don't want to deal with drunks
20:24:45prpplaguethe person on the phone ask you for a date?
20:24:58MornI was like I didn't say I was getting drunk, I said I wanted to go out
20:25:04prpplagueMorn: don't want to deal with drunks?
20:25:07MornSheesh
20:25:24Mornthey said that people who are intoxicated use language they aren't accustomed to
20:25:39MornHow do they know if I swear after drinking?
20:25:42prpplagueso was the "Baptist taxi service" or something?
20:25:58prpplagueno offense anyone
20:27:28prpplagueMorn: so what are you going to do?
20:27:32prpplaguehowdy BZFlag
20:27:34MornO dpm
20:27:35Mornt lmpw
20:27:43Mornhuh?
20:27:46Mornwhat was that?
20:27:52MornI don't know what I'll do
20:27:55BZFlags rtsi
20:27:57Mornthis is pretty frustrating
20:28:08prpplagueBZFlag: got your ceramonia fresh diaper for midnight?
20:28:34BZFlagprpplague: oh, yeah. large supply here. taking orders now. ;-)
20:29:31prpplaguelol
20:33:55prpplaguehowdy andersee
20:34:08prpplagueandersee: make it back alive from okkie
20:34:10anderseehowdy
20:34:13anderseeyup
20:34:22anderseeBack safe and sound
20:34:36prpplagueandersee: you have to watch for those arkanssas drivers
20:35:15anderseeI starting to think about considering the possibility of perhaps maybe contemplating the thought of maybe starting to do some work once again
20:35:25prpplaguelol
20:35:51prpplagueandersee: your far ahead of me, i'll still stick on deciding which nice beer to buy tonight
20:35:52andersees/^I/I'm/
20:36:00anderseeheh
20:36:18anderseeI'm probably just going to go to sleep.
20:36:49prpplagueandersee: hey now, we know your guru, but you don't to brag about how smart you are!
20:37:27prpplagueandersee: the rest of us crazy ppl with be out late and drinkin
20:37:38prpplagueandersee: Morn can't seem to get a taxi
20:37:57anderseeWell, my wife and my 7th wedding anniversary was yesterday, so the celebration already finished last night as far as I'm concerned.  :)
20:38:05prpplaguelol
20:38:46prpplaguewell all of our development team is going to get together, its a very interesting site to see a bunch of drunk programmers talking to each other in c
20:38:56anderseeheh
20:41:19BZFlagheads into work. welcome back andersee
21:00:38kernelworkandersee: quick question about busybox mount and umount
21:00:50kernelworkhow is the /etc/mtab file handled?
21:01:32kernelworkmount adds the mount info to /etc/mtab, but when umount is called the line doesn't seem to be getting removed.
21:07:03anderseekernelwork: mtab behavior depends on a compile-time Config.h option
21:07:30kernelworkdoh!
21:07:33anderseekernelwork: Do you have BB_FEATURE_MTAB_SUPPORT enabled?
21:07:52anderseekernelwork: If not, /etc/mtab should be a symlink to /proc/mounts
21:07:57kernelworkWell, uhh...  I don't know.  I'll be sure to check that when we build our own busybox
21:08:12kernelworkwe havn't built one in months, but it really helps to know it's a compile time option
21:08:46kernelworkCosmic is working on our build system so it's more buildrootish
21:09:15kernelworkcompile everything then throw it all into  the proper FS
21:10:54anderseeTell Cosmic to check out the new-and-improved buildroot in progress at http://busybox.net/cgi-bin/cvsweb/buildroot/
21:11:23kernelworkWhat new features does it have?  He may actually be using it...
21:11:31anderseeUses proper makefile dependancies, instead of icky shell fragments
21:11:59anderseeSeperates seperate packages better
21:12:22kernelworkwhat are the terms of use on buildroot?
21:13:56anderseeLGPL (or folks can talk to me about other arrangements).
21:14:45anderseeBut the deal is, I don't care if folks build proprietary stuff with it, just that they don't close up changes (so everybody wins)
21:15:15anderseechanges to buildroot (I don't care what gets built with it)
21:20:16anderseekernelwork: I actually have plans to flesh it out into a full fledged modular distro builder, with hooks for building vendor specific stuff (with the tuxscreen being the first guinea pig)
21:24:01kernelworkWell, Cosmic is doing wonders with it thus far
21:27:10anderseecool.  I'm glad it works well for you.  I think the idea (i.e. build the whole tree all at one time with a sane makefile and creating the targetfs w/o needing to be root) was an idea whose time had come.
21:29:33anderseeAnd since Lineo fired me, I figured it was a good way to thumb my nose at their poor judgement (i.e. by making something simple and clean that bypasses the need for an expensive SDK)
21:29:48anderseegrins and evil grin
21:32:05filethey fired you? why?
21:32:28anderseePart of a large layoff back in September
21:32:38fileahhhhhh
21:32:45anderseeSo these days I'm a consultant
21:33:07fileuh huh
22:27:51fileBZFlag!
22:27:56filehow many TuxScreen's left?
22:34:51BZFlaga little under 600 once I get the queued orders out.
22:35:01filecool
22:35:34fileconfused himself for a second
22:38:14anderseeBah.  This sucks.
22:38:31anderseeThe load average on my poor little netwinder is 26+
22:38:36BZFlagheh
22:38:52anderseeis trying to get a colocation spot for busybox/uClibc/etc
22:39:17fileNetwinder?
22:39:20fileperks up
22:39:52anderseeruns busybox.net, uclibc.org, codepoet.org, etc all on a NetWinder.
22:40:06anderseeA netwinder that is sitting under my desk
22:40:08fileuh huh
22:40:18BZFlagcourse SF would work, but that might require some change to andersee
22:40:22fileand a Netwinder is?
22:40:48anderseeA little strongArm based PC
22:40:55fileahhhhhh
22:40:56fileURL?
22:41:06anderseeMade by a now out of business company...
22:41:12fileuh huh
22:41:35filehow much can I get one for?
22:41:46anderseehttp://www.linuxworld.com/linuxworld/lw-1999-11/lw-11-netwinder.html
22:41:52anderseeHere is a URL with a picture
22:42:24filek
22:42:31anderseeI understand they are still trying to liquidate their existing stock -- I think about $400 for a low end one
22:42:51filea WebSurfer unit is cheaper.
22:43:05BZFlagandersee: got a contact for nw sales?
22:43:09anderseegot his for free
22:43:17anderseeLemme dig for a sec...
22:44:02BZFlagsharp is looking into building a compile farm for zaurus development.
22:44:03fileI want something to hook up to my TV
22:44:08anderseeFrom: "Rodney Mcinnis" <rodney.mcinnis@rebel.com>
22:44:08anderseeSent: Monday, October 29, 2001 11:18 AM
22:44:08anderseeSubject: NetWinder Prices
22:44:08andersee> Let me know also if you know of a company that might be interested in
22:44:08andersee> the IP and parts to take the product or a derivitive off the product
22:44:09andersee> forward.  Here are the current discounted pricing for NetWinders in
22:44:11andersee> stock or that can be assembled from stock parts.
22:44:13andersee>
22:44:15andersee> Strong Arm
22:44:17andersee>
22:44:19andersee> NWOS-DSK-128-12  128 Meg Ram, 12 Gig HD   Qty 1-10 $598 US each,   Qty
22:44:20BZFlagenough....
22:44:21andersee> 11+, $478 US each
22:44:23andersee>
22:44:25andersee> NWDM-DSK-64-10  64 Meg Ram, 10 Gig HD   Qty 1-10 $498 US each, Qty 11+,
22:44:27andersee> $398 US each
22:44:29andersee>
22:44:31andersee> NWDM-DSK-64-12 (12 Gig HD)  price same as 64-10
22:44:35andersee>
22:44:37andersee> NWDM-DSK-128-10 (10 Gig HD) price same as NWOS-DSK-128-12
22:44:46anderseeThats all I pasted...  Sorry for the spammage..
22:45:28anderseeClearly much more expensive then the tuxscreen.  But it can take laptop style IDE drives, and has 2 nics.
22:45:43fileI'd like a WebSurfer....
22:45:58GPSFanBZFlag: figured out the PFI signal. see: http://tuxscreen.net/wiki/view//PFI it's an interesting twist. not quite what we wepected. but consistant with peoples observations.
22:47:03BZFlaglooks
22:47:53fileCRIPES
22:47:59fileMY NEW CD!!!!!!
22:48:02fileyells
22:48:33BZFlagGPSFan: cool. so what do you think folks need to do to run off battery?
22:49:30BZFlagandersee: agreed. they (sharp) were thinking about adding udrives to tux's and other options. nw might be a better choice as the memory can be expanded and the local ide.
22:49:54GPSFanBZFlag: it looks like the DSP is looking for a pulsed signal, so I'd just set up a 555 timer to produce a free-running waveform similar to what the circuit now makes. or find a source of 120Hz.
22:50:55anderseesigh
22:51:06RussIt'd be nice to have an oscilliscope
22:51:30andersee[andersen@winder andersen]$ uptime
22:51:30andersee 15:52:26 up 58 min,  1 user,  load average: 109.64, 91.80, 47.95
22:51:40signal11nice
22:51:42filelol
22:51:48GPSFanRuss: true, it's an oldie but a goodie.
22:52:52fileanybody have a WebSurfer box?
22:53:51anderseethrottles apache
22:54:58BZFlaglooks like cvsweb is your issue. ;-)
22:55:33anderseethats for the help there sherlock.  ;-)
22:55:38BZFlagheh
22:55:39anderseeerr.  thanks
22:55:56BZFlagcourse my "watch" is probably not helping...
22:56:26BZFlagyou being hit by a web crawler?
22:56:41BZFlagmight help to robots.txt cvsweb
22:57:22kernelworkWhat is robots.txt for?
22:57:38BZFlagit tells robots which pages to scan and which to avoid.
22:57:44anderseetelling web robots to behave themselves
22:58:12BZFlagandersee: where are all the hits coming from?
22:58:57BZFlagI doubt very much that there are really that many people using cvsweb right now.
22:59:07anderseeBZFlag: crawl1.googlebot.com
22:59:13BZFlagas I expected.
22:59:33filegoes to EBay to look for a erm WebSurfer unit and NetWinder
22:59:44kernelworkGee...  I wonder what googlebot.com does :)
22:59:47anderseeI don't mind being spidered....  Though it sortof feels like being raped at the moment
22:59:55BZFlagagreed.
23:01:05anderseeToo bad robots.txt can't say "please spider me between 1am and 5am"
23:01:39kernelworkwonders if there is an RFC on that...
23:02:07filelol
23:02:17BZFlaghttp://www.google.com/webmasters/faq.html
23:02:25filebah
23:02:59filegrrrrr
23:05:38anderseesquirms as googlebot rapes him
23:05:51BZFlagandersee: email googlebot@google.com with the log entries.
23:06:06BZFlagthey claim they do not spam your site so have em fix it.
23:06:48kernelworkSPAM = Slapped by Pimp And Mamed...
23:06:48anderseeBZFlag: wanna stop your watch processes and logout (leaving more memory so google can finish their dirty work)
23:07:18BZFlagheh, ok
23:07:32anderseedecides to ignore it, look the other direction, and wait till they finish
23:08:02BZFlagcvsweb builds a huge tree of links...
23:09:09anderseeconsiders switching to viewcvs
23:09:34BZFlagcvsweb +site:uclinux.org = 185,000 links in google.
23:10:29BZFlagI'd robots.txt cvsweb ;-)
23:12:04fileerm
23:15:24filenow what was I doing...
23:15:24fileI can't remember...
23:15:34fileerm
23:15:38kernelworkI was thinking of getting another tuxscreen
23:15:48filekernelwork: or get one for me?
23:15:55kernelworkBZFlag: were you ever offering preblobed tuxscreens?
23:16:25kernelworkor whatever the bootloader is...
23:16:59BZFlagkernelwork: not officially, but for $20 (plus the $25) I'll do it.
23:17:12fileno discounts?
23:17:22kernelworkwhat is the $25?
23:17:31filekernelwork: unlocking
23:17:36kernelworkahh
23:17:51kernelworkhrm...  That'd make it $145...
23:17:59fileBZFlag: any other devices your selling?
23:18:26filelike a uh WebSurfer unit?
23:19:29filebah - guess not
23:19:32kernelworkIn a couple of years when I get home from Germany I want to build myself a small airplane...  It'd be great to use a tuxscreen for instrument info...
23:21:13BZFlagfile: I'm ordering some JTAG dongles. they will be $30 usd or less.
23:21:39kernelworkI'll bet that'd be helpful if he had a tuxscreen in the first place :)
23:21:42filewell I don't have a Tuxscreen though
23:21:43BZFlagkernelwork: I added the blobbing info to: http://TuxScreen.net/wiki/view/Users/TimRiker
23:22:36Dr_Xenonin the InstallingLinux procedure, how important is it that all the partitions have a zero in the right column?  have P/u 0'd at least 10 times and it seems to be in a steady state where first partition is 3 (at least, according to P/m).
23:22:54kernelworkDo you still need inferno to blob it?
23:23:04BZFlagDr_Xenon: critical.
23:23:09signal11the tux screen doesn't look too good outside
23:23:23BZFlagDr_Xenon: do NOT try flashing blob if there are any non 0 entries.
23:23:42BZFlagkernelwork: once it's blobbed you don't ever need inferno.
23:23:58signal11i tried it in my truck for a couple of days; it was hard to see with the sun
23:24:00kernelworkWhat about after being unlocked before being blobbed?
23:24:21BZFlagafter unlock you need InfernoRemote to send over blob.
23:24:23Dr_Xenonbummer.  any suggestions?  (i'm surprised you gave this advice given that you still have a basement full of tuxscreens. :-)
23:24:58BZFlagDr_Xenon: if you have not installed blob yet, then inferno should still work.
23:25:05kernelworkI think he's more interested in selling them for use, not for paperwights.
23:25:07BZFlagreboot the phone and try the unlock again.
23:25:20BZFlaggrins at kernelwork ;-)
23:25:40filetransports himself to BZFlag's basement, grabs a Tuxscreen and transports back to his own house
23:25:56BZFlagriker calls "Red Alert"
23:26:21fileruns away
23:26:22Dr_Xenonhee, i'm not used to reading "reboot the phone".  it sounds like "reboot the car" or "reboot the microwave"
23:26:40kernelworkIt's the wave of the future...
23:26:46BZFlagworf, we have a security breech. Warf teleports over to file's ship and crushes him.
23:27:06kernelworkWhat's more it it's the wave of the future on a daily basis if M$ gets the market for embedded :)
23:27:18BZFlagDr_Xenon: heh, I'm waiting for "reboot the fridge" ;-)
23:27:52kernelworkThe fridge is crashing!  It's up to 350 and everything is cooking!
23:28:34kernelworkconsiders buying plans for the plane he wants to build...
23:28:40BZFlagI want a touchscreen panel on the fridge that has voice req and synth and is a removable web pad with 801.11b ;-)
23:29:37kernelworkI think I'll quit trying to use 802.11 and jump over to 801.11 so I can work with BZFlag's devices...
23:33:34BZFlagheh, ok... I meant 802.11b =( though 802.11a would be nice too.
23:34:36Dr_Xenoni think the Vpp procedure could be made less risky by using the big ground pads where the pcmcia module is mounted, and the Vpp pad that's all by itself about 3 cm to the right of the jtag pads (you can find it by following the trace that emerges from the JTAG Vpp pad in the documentation.)
23:35:21BZFlagone of the jtag pins is Vpp too.
23:35:34Dr_Xenonyah, but it
23:35:57Dr_Xenonis only a millimetre or so from a bunch of microvias.
23:36:26BZFlagoh, and it's Vcc, 3.3v. it's the 5v that is needed.
23:41:28Dr_Xenonwhen i do P/u 0 , i always get flash: id=1/49 AMD Am29LV160BB), ss=20000 fs=400000 w=2 b=20000 f=5
23:41:35Dr_Xenon?<undefined error>
23:42:03Dr_Xenoni'm using Vpp=12V

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