| 00:11:31 | Morn | hi Tim |
| 00:45:38 | Hiraghm | waves near everyone |
| 00:45:44 | Morn | hi there |
| 00:46:16 | | Happy Gnu Year! |
| 00:46:16 | Hiraghm | ibot happy new year |
| 00:46:29 | Hiraghm | hiya Morn |
| 00:46:47 | Hiraghm | file, how's the SDL/picogui compile coming? |
| 00:47:12 | Hiraghm | or not |
| 00:48:12 | file | Don't talk to me. |
| 00:48:20 | file | scanline: I don't know how you did it. |
| 00:49:04 | Hiraghm | makes a rude gesture in the general direction of file |
| 00:49:19 | scanline | file: huh? |
| 00:50:08 | file | scanline: it hates me |
| 00:50:19 | file | your PicoGUI hates me |
| 00:50:34 | scanline | really? how has it tortured you so far? |
| 00:50:48 | file | WELL |
| 00:50:56 | file | autogen.sh goes 'round and 'round, runs forever and never stops |
| 00:51:12 | file | and ./configure does nothing once I've put in all the options... |
| 00:51:14 | scanline | what kind of errors? |
| 00:51:23 | file | no errors. |
| 00:51:30 | file | it just don't do anything |
| 00:51:43 | scanline | well, you probably need to upgrade autoconf or automake |
| 00:51:59 | file | uh, I just downloaded this yesterday :) |
| 00:52:09 | scanline | anyway, i was about to play starcraft with a friend, bbiab |
| 02:09:36 | | file: wish i knew |
| 02:09:36 | file | ibot: Pbotty? |
| 02:19:55 | | keyser was last seen on #tuxscreen 0 seconds ago, saying: ibot: seen keyser? [Sun Dec 30 02:19:55 2001] |
| 02:19:55 | Keyser | ibot: seen keyser? |
| 03:52:42 | MichaelJ | evenin' folks, anybody live? |
| 03:58:45 | Hiraghm | no |
| 03:59:08 | | Hiraghm was last seen on #tuxscreen 0 seconds ago, saying: ibot: seen Hiraghm [Sun Dec 30 03:59:08 2001] |
| 03:59:08 | Hiraghm | ibot: seen Hiraghm |
| 04:00:09 | scanline | alive (sorta) |
| 04:03:00 | | scanline is the creator of PicoGUI |
| 04:03:00 | Hiraghm | ibot scanline? |
| 04:03:04 | Hiraghm | scanline? |
| 04:03:07 | scanline | hi |
| 04:03:10 | Hiraghm | hiya |
| 04:03:30 | MichaelJ | (whupps...) |
| 04:03:36 | Hiraghm | spose I get a cross-compiler working (irix -> tux) |
| 04:04:00 | Hiraghm | can I right straight x-windows stuff to run under picoGUI, or is it a subset or superset... or what? |
| 04:04:14 | Hiraghm | (I know it's a dumb question but I've a quota to meet) |
| 04:04:24 | scanline | picogui's got a completely different API than X |
| 04:04:25 | Hiraghm | ack |
| 04:04:27 | Hiraghm | write not right |
| 04:04:34 | Hiraghm | I was afraid of that |
| 04:04:50 | scanline | X just provides low-level drawing commands, PicoGUI has a widget set in the server |
| 04:04:58 | Hiraghm | so writing a game for x and then expecting to just recompile for tux ain't gonna happen |
| 04:05:02 | Hiraghm | cries a little |
| 04:05:08 | scanline | not with picogui |
| 04:05:12 | scanline | with nano-x maybe |
| 04:05:19 | Hiraghm | blinks |
| 04:05:21 | Hiraghm | oh ho. |
| 04:05:30 | Hiraghm | picogui sits on nano-x? |
| 04:05:33 | scanline | no |
| 04:05:38 | scanline | but nano-x works on the Tux also |
| 04:05:42 | Hiraghm | scratches his head |
| 04:05:56 | scanline | picogui can sit on top of other GUIs like X, but it doesn't need to |
| 04:06:09 | scanline | on the Tux, picogui uses the framebuffer device directly |
| 04:06:23 | scanline | but for development purposes i almost always run stuff on top of X11 |
| 04:08:06 | scanline | hmm... |
| 04:08:30 | MichaelJ | hey, can shoot a quick newbiesque question in here? |
| 04:08:45 | Hiraghm | darned popups |
| 04:08:45 | scanline | wb Hiraghm |
| 04:08:48 | Hiraghm | Virc crashed |
| 04:08:52 | scanline | MichaelJ: sure |
| 04:08:53 | Hiraghm | twice |
| 04:08:58 | scanline | Hiraghm: miss anything? |
| 04:09:01 | Hiraghm | probably |
| 04:09:08 | david | Hiragm: try KSirc |
| 04:09:09 | scanline | * Hiraghm scratches his head |
| 04:09:09 | scanline | <scanline> picogui can sit on top of other GUIs like X, but it doesn't need to |
| 04:09:09 | scanline | <scanline> on the Tux, picogui uses the framebuffer device directly |
| 04:09:09 | scanline | <scanline> but for development purposes i almost always run stuff on top of X11 |
| 04:09:19 | Hiraghm | last I recall seeing was you saying that picgui sits on other guis |
| 04:09:31 | Hiraghm | so I'm confused |
| 04:09:55 | scanline | No, picogui is a standalone GUI system |
| 04:10:04 | scanline | but it has drivers that interface it to the video and input hardware |
| 04:10:19 | scanline | and some of these run picogui on top of another GUI system |
| 04:10:26 | Hiraghm | I suppose if I isolate my display code I can still write it for both x11 and tux |
| 04:10:31 | scanline | it can run on top of SDL or X11 for example |
| 04:10:53 | Hiraghm | hm |
| 04:11:57 | MichaelJ | (while Hiraghm is pondering that...) Is there any way to goose the baud rate on the Tux? |
| 04:12:03 | scanline | another option might be to write it for picogui, then use picogui's X11 driver to run it on X |
| 04:12:22 | MichaelJ | It seems to default to 9600, and talking rdp at that speed is a little tedious. |
| 04:12:41 | scanline | MichaelJ: the Wiki has info on setting it to 115200bps |
| 04:13:16 | MichaelJ | I climbed all around and didn't see it. I'll check again... |
| 04:14:17 | scanline | Hmm, this is odd... http://tuxscreen.net points to codepoet.org, but www.tuxscreen.net works as expected. |
| 04:14:28 | scanline | suspects andersee knows what's wrong... |
| 04:15:03 | scanline | MichaelJ: http://www.tuxscreen.net/wiki/view/Main/InfernoRemote |
| 04:15:19 | scanline | ^ this page has one command for 115200bps and one for 9600bps |
| 04:16:23 | MichaelJ | Yep, the '-s' parameter to rdp sets *rdp's* speed, but not the speed of the remote Tux. |
| 04:16:34 | Hiraghm | oh |
| 04:16:36 | Hiraghm | oh |
| 04:16:39 | scanline | isn't it the same? |
| 04:16:51 | Hiraghm | I can't connect |
| 04:16:55 | Hiraghm | to tuxscreen |
| 04:16:59 | MichaelJ | And it doesn't seem like the Tux will auto-baud to what rdp is trying to speak |
| 04:17:01 | Hiraghm | (the website, not the machine) |
| 04:17:24 | scanline | Hiraghm: you tried www.tuxscreen.net and tuxscreen.net? The DNS has been funky recently it seems |
| 04:18:13 | Hiraghm | I finally got through to www.tuxscreen.net |
| 04:18:35 | Hiraghm | hm. now I'm trying to connect to the wiki link and it's hanging on me |
| 04:19:21 | MichaelJ | Hiraghm - I've been having weird connections to the wiki, too. |
| 04:19:36 | MichaelJ | (much of the net seems sloppy the last 24 hrs or so) |
| 04:19:44 | Hiraghm | dangit.. where's the link to picogui? |
| 04:19:48 | | picogui is at http://picogui.org |
| 04:19:48 | Hiraghm | ibot picogui? |
| 04:19:55 | Hiraghm | doh.. .org |
| 04:20:07 | Hiraghm | glad it's not just me |
| 04:20:47 | MichaelJ | Uhm... what's "ibot"? |
| 04:21:13 | scanline | ibot's an infobot... sometimes it can tell you what it is, let's see if it will today... |
| 04:21:16 | | i am probably the evil twin WITHOUT the goatee |
| 04:21:16 | scanline | ibot, who are you? |
| 04:21:25 | MichaelJ | hehehe |
| 04:21:30 | scanline | heh, still leftover from the ibot1 incident... |
| 04:21:42 | | no idea, hiraghm |
| 04:21:42 | Hiraghm | ibot nano-x? |
| 04:21:50 | | microwindows is at http://microwindows.org |
| 04:21:50 | Hiraghm | ibot microwindows? |
| 04:21:54 | | microwindows is at http://microwindows.org |
| 04:21:54 | scanline | ibot microwindows? |
| 04:21:56 | | Merry Christmas! |
| 04:21:56 | Hiraghm | ibot merry xmas |
| 04:22:03 | | MichaelJ: huh? |
| 04:22:03 | MichaelJ | ibot MichaelJ |
| 04:22:03 | scanline | hi ibot |
| 04:22:07 | Hiraghm | iboy happy new year |
| 04:22:09 | MichaelJ | oh well. |
| 04:22:11 | | Happy Gnu Year! |
| 04:22:11 | Hiraghm | ibot happy new year |
| 04:22:18 | | 23987 |
| 04:22:18 | scanline | ibot 2^23985 |
| 04:22:21 | | i guess Hiraghm is Extra Terrestrial Imports or a small furry alien |
| 04:22:21 | Hiraghm | ibot Hiraghm? |
| 04:22:27 | | scanline: excuse me? |
| 04:22:27 | scanline | ibot 2**23985 |
| 04:22:37 | | 6 |
| 04:22:37 | scanline | ibot 2^4 |
| 04:22:43 | scanline | hmm |
| 04:22:46 | | 16 |
| 04:22:46 | scanline | ibot 2**4 |
| 04:22:46 | | OK, Hiraghm. |
| 04:22:46 | Hiraghm | ibot MichaelJ is new to the #tuxscreen channel |
| 04:22:49 | | 142857 |
| 04:22:49 | MichaelJ | ibot 999999/7 |
| 04:22:51 | | it has been said that MichaelJ is new to the #tuxscreen channel |
| 04:22:51 | Hiraghm | ibot MichaelJ? |
| 04:22:55 | | scanline: i'm not following you... |
| 04:22:55 | scanline | ibot 2**4000 |
| 04:23:01 | | 1099511627776 |
| 04:23:01 | scanline | ibot 2**40 |
| 04:23:04 | | 714285 |
| 04:23:04 | MichaelJ | ibot 5*142857 |
| 04:23:10 | | scanline: huh? |
| 04:23:10 | scanline | ibot 2! |
| 04:23:12 | | 857142 |
| 04:23:12 | MichaelJ | ibot 6*142857 |
| 04:23:16 | | Hiraghm: huh? |
| 04:23:16 | Hiraghm | ibot 25 * ibot |
| 04:23:16 | | scanline: what? |
| 04:23:16 | scanline | ibot 200! |
| 04:23:19 | | 571428 |
| 04:23:19 | MichaelJ | ibot 4*142857 |
| 04:23:26 | | no idea, scanline |
| 04:23:26 | scanline | ibot, you don't seem to know what a factorial is? |
| 04:23:32 | scanline | i thought so... |
| 04:24:23 | MichaelJ | Ooooo K. So is there a man page for ibot? |
| 04:24:45 | MichaelJ | (or whatever the IRC equivilent for man pages is) |
| 04:24:57 | scanline | ibot, help |
| 04:25:12 | Hiraghm | plugh |
| 04:25:16 | scanline | if you type 'ibot help' it will /msg you with more info |
| 04:25:29 | MichaelJ | ibot, help |
| 04:25:33 | Hiraghm | no comma |
| 04:25:41 | MichaelJ | that was too easy |
| 04:25:46 | Hiraghm | way too |
| 04:25:53 | Hiraghm | beams a smile near everyone |
| 04:25:57 | Hiraghm | well, I need to go bathe. |
| 04:26:07 | david | ibot help |
| 04:26:08 | Hiraghm | I'm not tickled with the Nano-X page 8c( |
| 04:26:11 | Hiraghm | waves near david |
| 04:26:24 | Hiraghm | scanline, how do I change my nick? |
| 04:26:35 | scanline | Hiraghm: with the /nick command |
| 04:26:38 | Hiraghm | thought so |
| 04:26:43 | Hiraghm | been a few years. |
| 04:26:52 | Hiraghm | hm. |
| 04:26:55 | Hiraghm | didn't werk |
| 04:27:27 | scanline | waves near DavidJ |
| 04:27:32 | Hiraghm | argh |
| 04:27:36 | DavidJ | hey scanline |
| 04:27:54 | Hiraghm | okay, I'm not getting it |
| 04:28:26 | Hiraghm | ibot help nick |
| 04:28:36 | | Hiraghm: excuse me? |
| 04:28:36 | Hiraghm | ibot weather |
| 04:28:42 | Hiraghm | ibot help weather |
| 04:29:01 | | Hiraghm: Try a 4-letter station code (see http://weather.noaa.gov/weather/curcond.html for locations and codes) |
| 04:29:01 | Hiraghm | ibot weather for Oklahoma City |
| 04:29:07 | Hiraghm | grrrr |
| 04:29:43 | Hiraghm | okay, what's the command syntax? |
| 04:29:49 | Hiraghm | for /nick |
| 04:29:57 | Hiraghm | please |
| 04:30:03 | scanline | something like "/nick your-new-nickname" |
| 04:30:06 | DavidJ | Hiragm: /nick <your new name> |
| 04:30:11 | Hiraghm | it's not doin it |
| 04:30:23 | Hiraghmafk | doh |
| 04:30:31 | HiraghmAFK | NOW it works. |
| 04:30:44 | HiraghmAFK | anyway, bbiab |
| 04:31:06 | MichaelJ | Hiraghm - You have to press the Return key really, really hard sometimes |
| 04:31:14 | scanline | hehe |
| 05:47:06 | Hiraghm | waves near everyone |
| 05:47:12 | bhima | good morning. |
| 05:47:26 | Hiraghm | izzit already? |
| 05:49:30 | bhima | Sun Dec 30 00:51:01 EST 2001 |
| 05:50:21 | bhima | sorta morning. |
| 05:50:27 | bhima | but I haven't gone to bed yet. |
| 05:50:30 | bhima | so it's still really night. |
| 05:57:31 | Russ | I still have another hour of saturday |
| 06:00:11 | Hiraghm | bounces up and down excitedly |
| 06:04:36 | Hiraghm | this isn't what I was bouncing about but... |
| 06:04:45 | Hiraghm | BZ has talked about that new Sharp Zaurus? |
| 06:04:53 | Hiraghm | On this page, they show it running AmigaDE |
| 06:04:55 | Hiraghm | http://www.amiga.com/corporate/231201-mcewen.shtml |
| 06:04:59 | Keyser | anyone ever use LISa and resLISa? |
| 06:05:35 | Hiraghm | wot is that? |
| 06:05:42 | Keyser | i try to browse a win98 box from konqueror, but it's really eratic. |
| 06:05:54 | Keyser | it's a tool that let's you use samba inside konqueror |
| 06:06:09 | Keyser | (konqueror=the KDE file manager) |
| 06:06:27 | Keyser | i can see folders, but then i click them, and nothing shows up |
| 06:06:34 | Keyser | so i try again, and sometimes it works |
| 06:06:47 | bhima | so what does the amiga stuff have to offer...? |
| 06:07:13 | Keyser | but then i saw it created about 30 processes, that dragged my system to a halt. (duplicates of a smb client) |
| 06:10:49 | Hiraghm | bhima I dunno. I really don't know. |
| 06:11:03 | Hiraghm | I was once a big Amiga zealot, but I'm trying to figure out, other than the name, what's left of Amiga. |
| 06:11:47 | bhima | yeah. I mean, it was nifty for its time, but it hasn't been advanced in over a decade, AFAIK. |
| 06:11:56 | Hiraghm | not really. |
| 06:12:10 | bhima | plus, I think that weird and nifty hardware was part of its advantage. |
| 06:12:17 | bhima | and that ages even more. |
| 06:12:24 | Hiraghm | They keep talking a big fight about what this new amga stuff will do. but I don't see where it's worth messing with. It won't be backward compatible |
| 06:12:32 | Hiraghm | exactly. |
| 06:13:23 | Hiraghm | I still have an A3000 I toy with, but emphasis on toy... why bother with a 25mhz machine when you have access to a 1.9ghz machine? |
| 06:14:32 | bhima | and the tricks needed to make a 25MHz machine do stuff are not relevant at 1.9GHz. |
| 06:14:38 | Keyser | on the site, it says a4000's go up to 50mhz |
| 06:14:54 | Hiraghm | http://intent-sharp.amigadev.net/overview/ |
| 06:15:08 | Hiraghm | I guess they're going for cross-platform compatibility, especially in embedded systems. |
| 06:15:50 | Hiraghm | Well, yeah, you can get a 166mhz PPC accelerator for A3000s/A4000s. Mine's a stock A3k with a 25mhz 68030 |
| 06:17:52 | bhima | I need to get a GPIB interface card. |
| 06:17:57 | bhima | so I can use a plotter I found. |
| 06:18:51 | Hiraghm | cool |
| 06:20:54 | bhima | here's somebody ebaying a gpib card for a dec pdp11. |
| 06:24:59 | Keyser | huh. LinNeighborhood is pretty cool. I mounted a shared drive from a win98 box, and it shows up as a normal mounted drive in linux. |
| 06:25:07 | Keyser | lol. pdp11? |
| 06:25:15 | bhima | yup. |
| 06:25:40 | Keyser | you know what would be nice? a card with USB ports, for a pdp11 |
| 06:25:57 | Keyser | cause, you know, i have a usb mouse |
| 06:26:09 | bhima | hehehe. I had an old VME-bus Sun3. |
| 06:26:33 | bhima | I wanted to use a VME-PCI-CardBus-FireWire interface. |
| 06:29:15 | Hiraghm | hehe. come to think of it, it'd be handy to stick a USB card in my O2... |
| 06:29:17 | Hiraghm | ponders |
| 06:29:18 | bhima | that would be a good test of NetBSD's driver abstraction model. |
| 06:30:09 | Hiraghm | it has a pci slot, but I'd need drivers, I spose. |
| 06:33:04 | Hiraghm | this is amusing... |
| 06:33:05 | Hiraghm | http://cbm.videocam.net.au/getstarted.php |
| 06:33:19 | | a7r was last seen on #handhelds.org 4 hours, 56 minutes and 3 seconds ago, saying: hey dc.. [Sun Dec 30 01:37:16 2001] |
| 06:33:19 | BZFlag | ibot: seen a7r |
| 06:33:25 | Hiraghm | and the reason all the amiga stuff is coming up is because I'm surfing the web for old amiga logo images |
| 06:33:38 | Hiraghm | BZFlag |
| 06:33:49 | BZFlag | yep? |
| 06:34:07 | Hiraghm | http://www.amiga.com/corporate/231201-mcewen.shtml |
| 06:34:11 | Hiraghm | scroll bout halfway down the page |
| 06:35:06 | Hiraghm | that's the new Zaurus running AmigaDE (whatever the flock that is) |
| 06:35:21 | Hiraghm | http://intent-sharp.amigadev.net/overview/ |
| 06:35:25 | Hiraghm | Might find this interesting too. |
| 06:36:53 | bhima | why the fuck did this guy decide that his ebay auction needed music playing? |
| 06:36:56 | bhima | it's a fscking plotter. |
| 06:37:58 | Hiraghm | it got your attention, didn't it? |
| 06:38:19 | bhima | yes, it did. |
| 06:38:28 | bhima | and the next auction quickly got my attention. |
| 06:38:42 | bhima | the flying letters saying "god bless" under my mouse cursor are also a bit annoying. |
| 06:39:08 | BZFlag | Hiraghm: who did the amiga port? that looks like a prototype zaurus. |
| 06:39:20 | Hiraghm | microsoft mindset; you have the resources, you are required to use them, bhima 8c) |
| 06:39:39 | Hiraghm | BZ, haven't a clue. Just happened across the page while looking for pictures. |
| 06:39:54 | Hiraghm | should say something about that on the first page |
| 06:39:56 | bhima | hiragm: righ. in fact, every single task should use 100% of the system's resources. |
| 06:40:07 | Hiraghm | grins evilly at bhima |
| 06:44:14 | bhima | debates buying a plotter... |
| 06:44:17 | bhima | for etching PCBs. |
| 06:44:28 | Hiraghm | :) |
| 06:45:01 | Hiraghm | Does anybody know if you can put a PCI USB card in an O2? |
| 06:45:25 | Hiraghm | let me rephrase... put one in and have it work? |
| 06:45:28 | bhima | what OS? Running some BSD flavor, sure. |
| 06:45:50 | bhima | Solaris supports USB now too. |
| 06:45:55 | bhima | the blades have USB ports. |
| 06:46:00 | Hiraghm | Irix |
| 06:46:06 | Hiraghm | 6.5 |
| 06:52:57 | Hiraghm | BZ... |
| 06:52:58 | Hiraghm | http://slashdot.org/articles/01/06/14/1342222.shtml |
| 06:53:02 | Hiraghm | they got slashdotted |
| 06:54:11 | Hiraghm | but it's an ancient article |
| 07:12:45 | Hiraghm | waves near tinman |
| 07:39:22 | Russ | bhima: you know, you can use an inkjet printer |
| 07:41:15 | bhima | russ: how can I use an inkjet printer to etch a PCB? |
| 07:41:47 | bhima | or print parts layouts onto one? :) |
| 07:42:05 | bhima | wow. just found some GPL'd auto-routing software. |
| 12:40:00 | scanline | is away: ZzZzZzZzZzzzzzzz |
| 13:50:46 | Morn | is away: foraging for food... |
| 14:07:46 | Morn | is back (gone 00:17:00) |
| 15:12:28 | file | cripes |
| 15:13:51 | file | frowns |
| 16:41:07 | willix | hello |
| 16:50:13 | EGg0 | is away: Going to glaze pottery while load root runs... |
| 19:49:40 | | keyser: wish i knew |
| 19:49:40 | Keyser | ibot: where would you install an application, like inferno for instance, on a linux box? |
| 19:49:52 | | keyser: i don't know |
| 19:49:52 | Keyser | ibot: how about /usr/bin/inferno? |
| 19:51:22 | | keyser: i don't know |
| 19:51:22 | Keyser | ibot: or maybe /usr/local/bin? |
| 19:51:40 | | rumour has it i am the evil twin WITHOUT the goatee |
| 19:51:40 | Keyser | ibot: not much help then, are you? |
| 19:59:33 | EGg0 | is back (gone 03:09:20) |
| 20:09:24 | Keyser | anyone here? |
| 20:09:31 | Keyser | (besides ibot) |
| 20:10:46 | EGg0 | I'm here, but know help. |
| 20:14:32 | Russ | Keyser: how about ~/inferno_root |
| 20:15:48 | Keyser | what's ~? |
| 20:16:11 | Keyser | i tried " install/Linux-386.sh /usr/bin/inferno" |
| 20:16:15 | Keyser | and got a core dump |
| 20:16:29 | Keyser | Inferno Third Edition (21 Jul 2000) main (pid=5957) compile |
| 20:16:29 | Keyser | SYS: process syscall faults: Segmentation violation |
| 20:16:29 | Keyser | install/Linux-386.sh: line 27: 5957 Killed $CDPATH/$EMUPATH/emu -c1 -G -r$CDPATH /dis/install/install.dis -r $1 -p Linux |
| 20:27:09 | | andersee was last seen on #tuxscreen 1 days, 21 hours, 8 minutes and 53 seconds ago, saying: But not 100% either [Fri Dec 28 23:18:16 2001] |
| 20:27:09 | fontenot | ibot: seen andersee |
| 20:27:17 | | tangent was last seen on #intimate 5 hours, 23 minutes and 52 seconds ago, saying: Doh [Sun Dec 30 15:03:25 2001] |
| 20:27:17 | fontenot | ibot: seen tangent |
| 20:31:34 | fontenot | yo yo yo |
| 20:31:37 | fontenot | ho ho ho |
| 20:31:44 | | fontenot: i'm not following you... |
| 20:31:44 | fontenot | ibot: define enigma |
| 20:32:55 | | fontenot: Something failed in connecting to the NOAA web server. Try again later. |
| 20:32:55 | fontenot | ibot: weather knok |
| 20:37:25 | Keyser | anyone know why my inferno install might have crashed? |
| 20:50:22 | fontenot | maybe using wrong version of emu? |
| 20:51:46 | scanline | is back (gone 08:11:46) |
| 20:53:23 | Russ | Keyser: did you get linuxemu.gz? |
| 20:53:42 | Russ | Keyser: and install as your user into /home/<you>/inferno_root |
| 20:53:55 | file | hrms? |
| 20:54:46 | file | stupid IE... |
| 20:54:46 | file | and my ISP... |
| 21:05:47 | EGg0 | So, where would one find a TuxScreen when the last 600 are sold? |
| 21:06:08 | file | EGg0: An owner's house. |
| 21:06:11 | EGg0 | I'm working on an actual product, but don't have enough to buy 200 or so now. |
| 21:06:16 | EGg0 | That sucks. |
| 21:06:28 | file | after they are sold... no more |
| 21:06:39 | file | doesn't even have enough to buy 1 |
| 21:06:43 | EGg0 | Guess I'll have to hurry by butt off to get this product finished so I can buy more. |
| 21:06:57 | file | how much will you charge for your product? |
| 21:07:19 | EGg0 | As little as possible, maybe $300. |
| 21:07:33 | file | runs away |
| 21:07:42 | file | I'd rather buy a Tuxscreen for $99 right now |
| 21:07:57 | EGg0 | You wouldn't want one. |
| 21:08:07 | file | a Tuxscreen or your product? |
| 21:08:12 | EGg0 | It's a pottery studio kiln controller, order organizer. |
| 21:08:19 | file | oh..... |
| 21:08:29 | file | :| |
| 21:08:59 | file | I was thinking maybe a Tuxscreen Dialup Internet service |
| 21:08:59 | EGg0 | I'm using the TuxScreen, building the software into it, hooking up a homebrew kiln controller to the serial port and it's a great studio tool for business. |
| 21:09:25 | file | :) |
| 21:10:02 | scanline | EGg0: How complete is it so far? |
| 21:11:23 | file | I think a Tuxscreen Dialup Service would be nice... |
| 21:12:26 | scanline | file: we don't have a modem driver for linux yet, but when it does there's no reason you couldn't use a regular dialup ISP |
| 21:12:37 | file | yeah... |
| 21:12:43 | file | why isn't there a modem driver yet? |
| 21:13:05 | scanline | it's a software modem, the driver would be very complex |
| 21:13:15 | scanline | seems like most people use ethernet anyway |
| 21:13:20 | file | ahhhhhh |
| 21:13:33 | Keyser | arg. i hate my irc client. when i get disconnected, it doesn't notify me until i try to type something again. |
| 21:13:55 | Keyser | did anyone say anything about my inferno problem? |
| 21:14:37 | scanline | <Russ> Keyser: did you get linuxemu.gz? |
| 21:14:37 | scanline | <Russ> Keyser: and install as your user into /home/<you>/inferno_root |
| 21:15:38 | file | what's linuxemu do? |
| 21:16:16 | Keyser | snaline: russ: the links to linuxemu.gz were broken. i hoped that vitanuova had updated their downloads, and that i wouldn't need it. |
| 21:16:17 | Russ | its the actual program |
| 21:16:27 | Russ | but its broken, and there is a fixed one available |
| 21:16:32 | Keyser | oops, i meant scanline. |
| 21:16:36 | Keyser | where is it available? |
| 21:16:42 | EGg0 | scanline: Sorry, I was away. Not very, software is unwritten |
| 21:17:06 | scanline | EGg0: no problem, i was just curious |
| 21:17:17 | EGg0 | But it'll be cake, really just a PyGTK interface to write bits to the serial port, and read things from the port from a thermocouple. |
| 21:17:20 | Russ | http://tuxscreen.net/download/inferno/ |
| 21:17:42 | file | erm |
| 21:18:00 | scanline | EGg0: Will it all fit in the internal flash, or will you be distributing it on a CF card or microdrive? |
| 21:18:11 | file | Sourceforge project sites are down... |
| 21:18:51 | Keyser | Russ: that link worked. Thanks |
| 21:19:03 | file | BAH |
| 21:19:16 | EGg0 | scanline: After X and all, it'll probably be too big for the flash, especially after writing an ordering program and the logging software- software is small, but some production potters ship 20 orders/week, that adds up. |
| 21:19:44 | EGg0 | CF cards are cheap though. |
| 21:20:05 | Russ | EGg0: python GTK, now that would be too big |
| 21:20:20 | Keyser | how do i unzip a .gz? |
| 21:20:35 | EGg0 | ?? What's the flash? fits in 16M on my ipaq. |
| 21:20:59 | Russ | gzip -d |
| 21:21:05 | scanline | hi GoRK |
| 21:21:10 | Russ | there is 4M flash on the tuxscreen |
| 21:21:17 | EGg0 | Eek. |
| 21:21:30 | file | you definately need a CompactFlash card for your stuff |
| 21:21:31 | Russ | you are really talking embedded on the tuxscreen |
| 21:21:47 | Russ | I think PyGTK is overkill though |
| 21:21:48 | EGg0 | I haven't even removed the write protect, so I didn't know. Been doing everything on the ipaq. |
| 21:21:58 | file | thinks |
| 21:22:08 | Russ | 4M flash is actually quite a bit |
| 21:22:08 | EGg0 | What would you use? curses? |
| 21:22:20 | file | can't you store some temporary content (files) in a Ramdisk? |
| 21:22:24 | file | that would give you some space... |
| 21:22:27 | Russ | maybe one of the other graphical systems |
| 21:22:30 | file | thwaps himself |
| 21:22:32 | scanline | EGg0: Right now the choices are basically text mode, microwindows, picogui, or something custom |
| 21:22:34 | file | I'm messed up |
| 21:22:38 | file | Don't listen to me |
| 21:22:43 | file | Whatever you do - DO NOT LISTEN TO ME |
| 21:22:48 | Russ | tinyX works too |
| 21:22:57 | scanline | ah, yes |
| 21:23:08 | EGg0 | heard pretty good things about tinyX, they crammed that onto a watch didn't they? |
| 21:23:15 | file | TinyX is neat |
| 21:23:36 | EGg0 | That'll take a good bit longer, I'm so spoiled by PyGTK. |
| 21:24:31 | scanline | with tinyx or microwindows you'd probably want to use FLTK for widgets |
| 21:25:57 | file | hums |
| 21:26:03 | file | you could always use PicoGUI. |
| 21:27:44 | scanline | it's probably not as easy as PyGTK but it's easier than most GUIs for C |
| 21:28:23 | scanline | we've got some perl bindings for picogui too... no python bindings yet, but of course it's possible |
| 21:29:28 | file | hrms |
| 21:31:01 | Keyser | russ: inferno installed! thanks again. 1 more question, now that it's installed, how do i start it? |
| 21:31:08 | file | laughs |
| 21:33:35 | Keyser | file: am i that pathetically funny? |
| 21:33:41 | file | yes. |
| 21:33:46 | Keyser | at least I have a driver's liscense |
| 21:33:57 | file | Probably suspended :p |
| 21:34:00 | Keyser | why, when i was a kid, we had DOS, and we liked it |
| 21:34:06 | file | I enjoy DOS! |
| 21:34:19 | scanline | heh, that was pre-linux-enlightenment for me... |
| 21:34:19 | Keyser | none of this new-fangled unix on pc's |
| 21:34:35 | file | somebody shut him up |
| 21:34:40 | Keyser | when we had unix, it was in a lab, with a curmedgonly admin to install software |
| 21:34:54 | scanline | I mean, i used to write programs in Borland C++ Builder! Now it's just terminals, emacs, and gcc for me |
| 21:35:26 | scanline | It's a new phenomenon, the home unix lab |
| 21:36:49 | Keyser | i did manage to set up samba between this unix box, and 2 win98 machines. |
| 21:37:31 | Keyser | LinNeighborhood is cool |
| 21:38:00 | file | hrms? |
| 21:38:35 | Keyser | hrms? |
| 21:38:48 | file | thinks |
| 21:39:29 | Keyser | i'll take your word for it |
| 21:39:59 | file | I want a darn kernel for my Philips Nino! |
| 21:40:08 | file | one that has more support than the one I currently have. |
| 21:40:09 | Keyser | back in the good old days, you'd install something, and it'd put an icon on your start menu |
| 21:40:20 | Keyser | or you could search for a .exe to run |
| 21:43:39 | Keyser | arg. how do i start inferno? |
| 21:44:40 | file | read manual. |
| 21:47:10 | Keyser | you don't mean manpages, i assume. because there aren't any |
| 21:47:20 | file | Webpage :) |
| 21:47:32 | Keyser | that's what i've been looking at |
| 21:47:45 | file | I remember seeing how to start it. |
| 21:57:52 | Keyser | to start inferno in windows, i clicked the inferno icon. |
| 21:58:02 | file | bah |
| 21:58:02 | file | stupid ISP... |
| 21:58:47 | Keyser | everyone on here must have run inferno under linux already? right? |
| 21:59:01 | Keyser | so it is possible, in theory |
| 22:00:24 | Keyser | when i ran the install shell script, it said: |
| 22:00:30 | Keyser | done |
| 22:00:31 | Keyser | installation complete |
| 22:00:31 | Keyser | install/Linux-386.sh: line 27: 6621 Killed $CDPATH/$EMUPATH/emu -c1 -G -r$CDPATH /dis/install/install.dis -r $1 -p Linux |
| 22:00:59 | Keyser | i assumed that it was done and complete because it said done and complete, but maybe it didn't work |
| 22:01:22 | Keyser | well, that's enough frustration for today. i'm gonna play some red faction |
| 23:14:21 | | Happy Gnu Year! |
| 23:14:21 | Hiraghm | ibot happy new year |
| 23:21:42 | file | hi all. |
| 23:22:24 | SpaceCoaster | hi file, whats cookin |
| 23:23:39 | file | uh |
| 23:23:43 | file | nothing. |
| 23:24:23 | SpaceCoaster | good, no bad news then! |
| 23:24:38 | file | yup yup yup |
| 23:32:46 | Dr_Xenon | ping |
| 23:37:43 | Dr_Xenon | how long does Vpp need to be applied when going through the FlashUnlock procedure? Is it a matter of seconds, or minutes? (I ask because I want to know if I can get away with applying Vpp by hand instead of soldering wires or headers.) |
| 23:39:10 | SpaceCoaster | Dr_Xenon: needs to be applied long enough to type the unlock command, so it's seconds |
| 23:39:34 | SpaceCoaster | Dr_Xenon: I still soldered wires on tho' |
| 23:40:38 | file | bah hum bug |
| 23:40:43 | Dr_Xenon | thanks, SC. I think I'll do the same; brain surgery makes me nervous. |
| 23:41:31 | SpaceCoaster | yeah, I have two to do and I keep putting it off... |
| 23:43:12 | Dr_Xenon | do you mean frontal lobotomy, or tuxscreen? |
| 23:43:30 | SpaceCoaster | ho ho ho |