| 00:19:38 | file | shivers |
| 00:19:41 | file | stupid pop... |
| 00:20:29 | file | oh eek |
| 00:20:38 | file | I just took a drink of it without realising it |
| 00:20:39 | file | gah dang it |
| 00:21:30 | pattieja | is away: home |
| 00:37:58 | david | has anyone had any problems with viewml not rendering pages when using something like http://www.yahoo.com ? |
| 00:38:16 | file | what's viewml? |
| 00:38:30 | david | its the web browser in microwindows |
| 00:38:36 | file | ahhhhh |
| 00:38:42 | file | go for X Windows :) |
| 00:39:32 | david | my network seems setup properly, since I can ping, wget, etc. If I load a file into viewml it works...sorta strange |
| 00:39:40 | file | uh huh |
| 00:40:07 | david | are you running X Windows on the tuxscreen ? |
| 00:40:19 | file | Tim Riker got it going. |
| 00:40:28 | file | and I don't see why not |
| 00:40:57 | CosmicPenguin | david: What are you seeing exactly with Viewml? |
| 00:41:43 | david | well if I type http://www.yahoo.com , the rx led of the ethernet card flashes (as it should) |
| 00:41:54 | david | but viewml does not render the data |
| 00:42:33 | file | could be a problem with viewml? |
| 00:42:44 | david | I searched the viewml mail archive, there was a similiar question asked over there...but the reponse was "check your network setup" |
| 00:43:01 | CosmicPenguin | david: You're not going to like the answer.... :( |
| 00:43:22 | david | my network setup, ie ip address, routing, dns seems to work fine since wget works and retrieves pages nicely! |
| 00:43:31 | CosmicPenguin | david: The problem is that the system is uclibc based, but since uclibc doesn't support C++, I had to add ViewML as a static application.... |
| 00:43:56 | CosmicPenguin | And unfortunately, glibc 2.95 uses the nscd daemon for DNS lookups.... |
| 00:44:34 | file | cripes, I got mayonaise on my jeans |
| 00:44:36 | CosmicPenguin | And I never got around to porting nscd to uclibc..... So you can't do a name look up in ViewML |
| 00:45:12 | CosmicPenguin | So there are two options there: 1 - Wait until mid January, and Erik Andersen will have C++ support in uclibc, and all will be well.... |
| 00:45:31 | CosmicPenguin | or 2 - IP addresses are your friend |
| 00:45:51 | file | screw hostnames, memorize IP's! |
| 00:46:36 | file | david: Here's a Tuxscreen running X Windows btw - http://tuxscreen.net/img/rimg0007.jpg |
| 00:47:00 | david | ok, then why won't http://216.115.108.243 work ? that's yahoo.com's IP address |
| 00:47:40 | CosmicPenguin | file: Just one screenshot? I've got a whole boat load: http://www.tuxscreen.net/wiki/view//MicrowinScreenshots |
| 00:47:50 | file | that's X Windows. |
| 00:47:59 | CosmicPenguin | david: Because Yahoo uses a distributed server system.... |
| 00:48:17 | file | and that's not a screenshot |
| 00:48:22 | CosmicPenguin | Try this IP: 208.219.23.8 (THe ViewML homepage) |
| 00:49:02 | CosmicPenguin | david: I know, its all very annoying..... trust me, everytime andersee comes in the room, I bother him about it |
| 00:49:16 | file | gah dang it - where's Russ! |
| 00:49:43 | david | ok, let me tweak on a few things on my tuxscreen and I will try 208.219.23.8 (And thanks for the help on this stuff...this irc is a great forum!) |
| 00:49:56 | file | forum? bah hum bug - this is live! |
| 00:50:20 | file | CosmicPenguin: can I have a Tuxscreen? |
| 00:50:32 | file | :) |
| 00:50:41 | CosmicPenguin | file: I wish I had some to give away |
| 00:50:46 | david | by the way I don't mind to use IP addresses at all...I'm just really happy to have an embedded browser running! |
| 00:50:57 | file | CosmicPenguin: ask BZFlag? |
| 00:51:00 | CosmicPenguin | david: It will get better in the near future, I promise... :) |
| 00:51:24 | CosmicPenguin | file: Yeah, but if I spend all my money on tuxscreens, what will I eat? |
| 00:51:31 | file | just buy 1 for me. |
| 00:51:39 | file | and you could eat ... plastic! |
| 00:53:30 | file | pretty please? :) |
| 00:54:58 | file | Microwindows looks nice... |
| 00:55:32 | CosmicPenguin | stupid undocumented X functions.... grumble... |
| 00:55:47 | file | you can do it! |
| 00:57:35 | david | houston we have liftoff!! http://208.219.23.8 worked !! |
| 00:57:45 | file | oh joy |
| 00:58:50 | david | ok, so just for the curious (me) how does the Yahoo distributed server system work, and how can I figure out an IP address for it? |
| 01:01:16 | file | Russ|werk: russ.dhs.org is down |
| 01:02:14 | david | however http://208.219.23.8/news does not... |
| 01:05:01 | Russ|werk | I know |
| 01:05:09 | file | threatens to take russ.dhs.org out of the dhs.org database |
| 01:05:16 | Russ|werk | the network card finally died for good |
| 01:05:32 | Russ|werk | it will get replaced in about an hour |
| 01:05:35 | file | k |
| 01:05:49 | file | will donate a new one, for a Tuxscreen |
| 01:06:32 | Russ|werk | file: you control dhs.org? |
| 01:06:43 | file | I help out. |
| 01:07:26 | Russ|werk | ah, cool service |
| 01:07:37 | file | I'm in contact with the head coder and tech support person right now |
| 01:07:51 | file | thanks. |
| 01:08:19 | file | GAH DANG IT |
| 01:08:23 | file | WHERE'S MY CELLPHONE!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 01:08:35 | file | I sent the dang payment. |
| 01:09:27 | Russ|werk | klined for joining a channel |
| 01:10:11 | file | quite fun |
| 01:10:56 | file | yeekz, Psion's cost more than Tuxscreen's! |
| 01:12:00 | Russ|werk | doesn't everything? |
| 01:12:04 | file | yeah... |
| 01:12:07 | file | but my PDA didn't cost me $0 |
| 01:12:44 | file | scanline sent it to me |
| 01:12:47 | file | I bugged him so much :) |
| 01:13:29 | Russ|werk | maybe I should bug scanline |
| 01:13:44 | file | I have his phone number around here on my desk... |
| 01:13:51 | file | but probably can't find it! |
| 01:14:06 | file | CD's, papers, brochures, ductape? |
| 01:19:50 | david | hey CosmicPenguin, do have Pixel running on the tuxscreen now ? |
| 01:22:25 | david | that should have been "do you have Pixel running on the tuxscreen now ?" |
| 01:29:15 | file | *nudge* *nudge* |
| 01:31:22 | file | no new mail. |
| 01:31:28 | file | oh goody |
| 01:41:54 | file | waits patiently for russ.dhs.org to come back online |
| 01:44:22 | file | so Russ, what'cha doing at work? |
| 01:45:46 | Russ|werk | doing a bit of redesign |
| 01:45:56 | file | neat |
| 01:46:00 | Russ|werk | moving ethernet jacks to one side, switching power connector to another board, etc |
| 01:46:12 | file | got any Tuxscreen's I can erm mysteriously get shipped to me? |
| 01:46:24 | file | :) |
| 01:46:34 | Russ|werk | only tim does |
| 01:46:38 | Russ|werk | anyway, off to home |
| 01:46:42 | Russ|werk | (and to fix the card) |
| 01:46:42 | file | bye bye |
| 01:46:55 | file | how long? |
| 01:47:02 | Russ|werk | 20 minutes maybe |
| 01:47:07 | file | k |
| 01:54:51 | file | yawns |
| 01:59:28 | Morn | is away: getting lunch |
| 01:59:40 | Morn | is away: getting dinner |
| 02:09:37 | Morn | is back (gone 00:09:56) |
| 02:14:36 | file | lol |
| 02:14:39 | Russ | okie, its up |
| 02:14:39 | file | it was online for a sec |
| 02:14:48 | file | but it's shaky |
| 02:15:17 | file | 50% packet loss |
| 02:15:26 | Russ | really? |
| 02:15:31 | file | yup |
| 02:15:50 | file | 75% |
| 02:16:46 | file | 50% |
| 02:16:49 | file | it's... bad |
| 02:16:55 | Russ | seems ok from here |
| 02:17:01 | Russ | a little slow maybe |
| 02:17:20 | Russ | 22 packets transmitted, 21 packets received, 4% packet loss |
| 02:17:20 | Russ | round-trip min/avg/max = 199.7/597.5/1347.2 ms |
| 02:17:20 | Russ | - |
| 02:17:25 | file | aye. |
| 02:17:39 | file | probably my connection |
| 02:18:02 | Russ | the average ping on my end is baddd- |
| 02:19:15 | Russ | its the @home network locally though |
| 02:19:47 | Russ | it'll be nice to get back to the dorm |
| 02:20:35 | file | grumbles |
| 02:20:44 | file | I don't see any PCMCIA slots on this old laptop, and yet it says there are some |
| 02:21:59 | Russ | getting good xfer rates, despite the high latency |
| 02:22:09 | Russ | ~300kB/s |
| 02:22:15 | file | uh huh |
| 02:22:32 | file | oh well. |
| 02:23:46 | Russ | Fetched 22.9MB in 1m15s (304kB/s) |
| 02:23:53 | file | uh huh |
| 02:25:10 | Russ | I think wired is getting desperate or something |
| 02:25:14 | Russ | $10 for 12 issuse |
| 02:25:31 | file | uh huh |
| 02:25:55 | Russ | you using the up arrow? |
| 02:26:33 | file | is confused |
| 02:28:45 | Russ | command history |
| 02:28:59 | file | oh I wasn't no |
| 02:30:01 | file | well... |
| 02:30:09 | file | I have the software on the disk... should I try to install or not |
| 02:31:01 | Russ | software for what? |
| 02:31:05 | file | PCMCIA slots |
| 02:31:10 | file | but I don't see any... |
| 02:32:02 | Russ | maybe take the thing apart |
| 02:32:10 | file | uh no |
| 02:32:16 | file | unless it's in the floppy drive? |
| 02:37:22 | file | nope |
| 02:37:26 | file | won't install |
| 02:38:52 | file | I'm tempted to logon to IRC from bed like I always do... but nah |
| 03:22:57 | Morn | is away: watching TV |
| 03:45:00 | | Merry Christmas! |
| 03:45:00 | Hiraghm | ibot1 merry xmas |
| 03:47:41 | Hiraghm | anybody home? |
| 03:58:15 | | Hiraghm? |
| 03:58:15 | Hiraghm | ibot1 |
| 03:58:19 | | Hiraghm? |
| 03:58:19 | Hiraghm | ibot1 |
| 03:58:21 | | Hiraghm? |
| 03:58:21 | Hiraghm | ibot1 |
| 03:58:52 | Hiraghm | http://www.xtimports.com/data/graphics/SHGazette7.jpg |
| 04:10:49 | Russ | what'd you use to make that? |
| 04:15:29 | Vito` | hah! |
| 04:15:32 | Vito` | Did you guys see this? |
| 04:15:33 | Vito` | http://www.iptel-now.de/HOWTO/TUXPAD/tuxpad.html |
| 04:18:30 | Hiraghm | Russ, Lightwave 7.0b |
| 04:19:09 | Hiraghm | OMFG |
| 04:19:12 | Hiraghm | that is so nifty |
| 04:19:17 | Russ | don't suppose there is a deb for that |
| 04:20:08 | Russ | Hiraghm: apt-get install lightspeed though, and run that through |
| 04:20:45 | Hiraghm | a deb for Lightwave? hope not. |
| 04:21:01 | Hiraghm | what's lightspeed? |
| 04:30:41 | Hiraghm | waves at Russ to come lookit his screen |
| 04:30:52 | Hiraghm | http://www.xtimports.com/data/graphics/SHGazette7.jpg |
| 04:41:09 | Russ | apt-get install lightspeed |
| 04:41:17 | Hiraghm | what's that? |
| 04:41:20 | Russ | it warps objects that are traveling at high speed |
| 04:41:35 | Hiraghm | Oh |
| 04:41:42 | Russ | DCC me your lightwave file |
| 04:41:54 | Hiraghm | ponders a moment |
| 04:41:59 | Hiraghm | okay, if I can. |
| 04:42:31 | Hiraghm | uhm. I dunno how to dcc. |
| 04:42:36 | Hiraghm | I'm using Virc. |
| 04:43:33 | Russ | can you get it to me on thet xtimports.com site? |
| 04:43:49 | Hiraghm | I don't have an ftp server up yet |
| 04:44:02 | Russ | you put SHGazette7.jpg up |
| 04:44:17 | Hiraghm | yeah, as a web page. I do have apache running |
| 04:45:02 | Russ | can you put the lightwave file there too? |
| 04:46:17 | Hiraghm | okay, I can do dcc I think. |
| 04:46:30 | Hiraghm | yeah, I think I can do that too. hang a mo.. you want just the scene file? |
| 04:46:47 | Russ | whatever is .lwo |
| 04:48:53 | Hiraghm | kay... |
| 04:49:10 | Hiraghm | http://www.xtimports.com/data/paperstack.lws |
| 04:49:16 | Hiraghm | http://www.xtimports.com/data/paper.lwo |
| 04:49:28 | Hiraghm | http://www.xtimports.com/data/tableplane.lwo |
| 04:50:08 | Russ | hmm....says it doesn't have a valid LWOB signiture |
| 04:50:21 | Hiraghm | the first one is the scene file |
| 04:51:50 | Russ | it won't load it, oh well, maybe the lightwave version is too new |
| 04:52:04 | Hiraghm | could be |
| 04:52:42 | Russ | fgfs stuff loads though, neato |
| 04:53:42 | Russ | loads a twin engine and accelerates it to light speed |
| 04:53:47 | Hiraghm | fgfs? |
| 04:54:00 | Russ | flightgear |
| 04:55:37 | Russ | hmm...I can't take a screen shot though |
| 04:56:36 | Russ | its amazing how much it apears to turn |
| 04:57:27 | Russ | at .9999c, even though I'm 30 degrees form the nose of the plane, it looks like I'm right behind it |
| 04:58:23 | Russ | strange, the program doesn't accept values greater than or equal to 1...hmmm |
| 04:58:29 | Russ | submits a bug report... |
| 04:59:40 | Hiraghm | of course not |
| 04:59:43 | Hiraghm | can't go c. |
| 05:00:25 | Russ | weird, when its going fast, no matter which way you look at it, you see the back |
| 05:00:54 | Hiraghm | welcome to relativity 8c) |
| 05:01:22 | Hiraghm | did you try the paper object? |
| 05:01:34 | Russ | I'm looking at it from above, and the tail comes before the rest of the plane, caus its higher |
| 05:01:57 | Russ | the edges of the tail and wing curve back |
| 05:46:56 | Hiraghm | http://www.xtimports.com/data/graphics/SHGazette7.jpg |
| 05:47:31 | Hiraghm | is showing off his first Lightwave scene |
| 06:25:35 | Hiraghm | waves near BZFlag |
| 06:25:39 | | Merry Christmas! |
| 06:25:39 | Hiraghm | ibot1 merry xmas |
| 06:25:45 | Hiraghm | http://www.xtimports.com/data/graphics/SHGazette7.jpg |
| 06:26:38 | | Merry Christmas! |
| 06:26:38 | Hiraghm | ibot merry xmas |
| 07:18:41 | Russ | wb tim |
| 07:18:56 | Russ | BZFlag: btw, never say "recurse" with ibot and lxrbot in the same room |
| 07:42:44 | Hiraghm | why? |
| 07:57:09 | Hiraghm | why? |
| 07:57:34 | Hiraghm | curse |
| 07:57:36 | Hiraghm | re |
| 07:57:37 | | Hiraghm? |
| 07:57:37 | Hiraghm | ibot |
| 07:57:40 | Hiraghm | ibot1 |
| 07:57:49 | Hiraghm | lxrbot |
| 08:04:37 | | yes, Hiraghm? |
| 08:04:37 | Hiraghm | ibot? |
| 08:04:41 | | yes, Hiraghm? |
| 08:04:41 | Hiraghm | ibot? |
| 08:04:47 | | Hiraghm: what? |
| 08:04:47 | Hiraghm | yes, ibot? |
| 08:04:51 | | hiraghm: wish i knew |
| 08:04:51 | Hiraghm | ibot: what? |
| 08:04:56 | | Hiraghm: i'm not following you... |
| 08:04:56 | Hiraghm | ibot: wish I knew |
| 08:05:03 | | Hiraghm: i'm not following you... |
| 08:05:03 | Hiraghm | ibot: i'm not following you... |
| 08:05:06 | | Hiraghm: what? |
| 08:05:06 | Hiraghm | ibot: i'm not following you... |
| 08:05:11 | | no idea, hiraghm |
| 08:05:11 | Hiraghm | ibot: what? |
| 12:57:40 | Morn | is back (gone 09:34:44) |
| 12:57:47 | Morn | is away: breakfast |
| 13:07:14 | Morn | is back (gone 00:09:29) |
| 14:31:20 | file | hi |
| 14:54:39 | file | hi |
| 14:55:38 | file | yells "RUSS" loudly |
| 14:57:40 | CosmicPenguin | file: how are you doing? |
| 14:57:46 | file | fine fine |
| 14:57:50 | file | just wanting a Tuxscreen... |
| 15:07:07 | CosmicPenguin | mmmmm.... coffee..... |
| 15:07:08 | CosmicPenguin | BRB |
| 15:10:30 | CosmicPenguin | any X hackers hanging around this morning? |
| 15:10:36 | file | no. |
| 15:14:11 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i'm still on rootfs and kernel drivers level of my project, i can't seem to get to point where i can start working on a gui |
| 15:14:20 | file | hrms |
| 15:14:21 | file | Itsy... |
| 15:14:33 | pattieja | is away: I'm busy |
| 15:14:49 | pattieja | is back (gone 00:00:02) |
| 15:15:41 | prpplague | file: are you asking something? |
| 15:16:00 | file | just looking at specs and stuff for it... |
| 15:16:12 | prpplague | ohh |
| 15:16:49 | file | is there an inexpensive PDA?!?!?!?!?!?! that can run Linux. |
| 15:18:02 | prpplague | i can't speak for anyone else, but i really didn't like the ads pppl |
| 15:18:11 | CosmicPenguin | I guess it all depends on your definition of inexpensive..... |
| 15:18:23 | CosmicPenguin | Flash costs $$$$ |
| 15:18:25 | prpplague | file: vr3 is about the cheapest available right now |
| 15:18:44 | file | growls |
| 15:18:53 | file | how about a plain device then, like the Tuxscreen |
| 15:18:55 | file | ANYTHING! |
| 15:18:56 | prpplague | file: you could make the tuxscreen into a webpad |
| 15:19:17 | CosmicPenguin | $459 isn't shabby for a device thats more powerful than the first 5 desktops I had put together.... |
| 15:19:18 | prpplague | file: most of the cheap stuff still needs to be hacked with linux |
| 15:19:20 | file | yeah... |
| 15:19:31 | file | but a Tuxscreen would cost me 'bout $205 including shipping |
| 15:19:37 | CosmicPenguin | file: You could always get LinuxDA up and running |
| 15:19:54 | file | aye. |
| 15:19:58 | prpplague | file: why $205, i thought you were in the states |
| 15:20:07 | file | I'm in Canada |
| 15:20:11 | prpplague | doh |
| 15:20:25 | CosmicPenguin | Shipping to Canada is that much? |
| 15:20:32 | file | $25 |
| 15:20:50 | | 124 |
| 15:20:50 | CosmicPenguin | ibot: 99 + 25 |
| 15:20:57 | file | $124 USD |
| 15:21:12 | file | $203.36 CAD |
| 15:21:21 | CosmicPenguin | Ahhhhhh........ Now it comes clear.... |
| 15:21:25 | file | roughly. |
| 15:21:48 | file | so does anybody know of a cheap "Device" that has Linux hacked to it |
| 15:22:22 | CosmicPenguin | ibot: change 124 USD to CAD |
| 15:22:24 | | CosmicPenguin: 197.876 (United States Dollar (USD)) makes 1 (Dollar (CAD)) |
| 15:22:37 | file | smiles |
| 15:22:50 | CosmicPenguin | ibot: change 12400 USD to CAD |
| 15:22:53 | | CosmicPenguin: 19,787.65 (United States Dollar (USD)) makes 1 (Dollar (CAD)) |
| 15:23:02 | CosmicPenguin | I believe that is broken |
| 15:23:59 | file | nope, it's 'bout $197.88 |
| 15:24:03 | file | I was close! |
| 15:24:52 | CosmicPenguin | Ohh, ok. I see what that is doing..... The printf is not formatted intelegently |
| 15:25:08 | CosmicPenguin | Much like my spelling |
| 15:25:11 | file | anyway - any cheaper devices beside a cute Tuxscreen? |
| 15:25:34 | CosmicPenguin | file: go to www.linuxda.com - They can run on various Palms.... |
| 15:25:43 | file | a Palm is not cheap. |
| 15:25:52 | file | same price as a Tuxscreen here |
| 15:26:05 | file | and that's for an m100 |
| 15:26:05 | CosmicPenguin | can't get much cheaper..... |
| 15:26:10 | CosmicPenguin | A TI86 maybe? |
| 15:26:22 | file | nope - that costs more |
| 15:27:18 | file | I wish my current PDA could run Linux |
| 15:27:31 | file | but the support is far less than... tolerable? |
| 15:28:25 | CosmicPenguin | file: Which PDA is that? |
| 15:28:31 | file | Philips Nino |
| 15:28:40 | CosmicPenguin | file: it runs linux 2.4.16.... thats not to shabby |
| 15:28:46 | CosmicPenguin | s/to/too/ |
| 15:28:48 | file | what does? |
| 15:28:51 | CosmicPenguin | Nino |
| 15:28:55 | file | no it don't. |
| 15:29:06 | file | maybe it does actually |
| 15:29:14 | file | but it has no support for anything |
| 15:29:21 | file | it's all done over serial. |
| 15:29:29 | CosmicPenguin | So? So is the Ipaq |
| 15:29:37 | file | ALL done over serial |
| 15:29:41 | CosmicPenguin | So? |
| 15:29:53 | file | I mean - the only thing you get on the actual screen is boot information - no input, no X Windows |
| 15:30:00 | file | no on-screen shell. |
| 15:30:11 | CosmicPenguin | I've got 2.4.16-mips here, and it very definately has phillips nino support |
| 15:30:29 | file | uh huh |
| 15:30:44 | file | what will it do. |
| 15:30:47 | CosmicPenguin | file: Well, you've got to hack something in.... I know that the Nino supports the TX3914 frame buffer, so then you can at least get a VT up |
| 15:31:03 | file | I don't have a cross-compiling environment. |
| 15:31:22 | CosmicPenguin | You can get one from oss.sgi.com |
| 15:31:30 | file | I don't have the space :) |
| 15:31:38 | file | I have 1 drive, for Windows |
| 15:31:41 | file | no Linux. |
| 15:31:52 | CosmicPenguin | Well, now thats a problem... :( |
| 15:31:56 | file | exactly :) |
| 15:32:23 | file[Box2] | send that kernel here btw |
| 15:33:13 | file[Box2] | waits |
| 15:33:59 | file | I use a kernel I snagged from http://www.cotw.com/projects/nino/port/nino-port-main.html |
| 15:35:05 | file | CosmicPenguin? |
| 15:38:36 | file | CosmicPenguin!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 15:54:55 | CosmicPenguin | *snooze* What? What? I'm awake.... |
| 15:55:04 | file | bah |
| 15:55:26 | CosmicPenguin | I don't get paid to IRC....... yet.......... <evil laugh> |
| 15:55:28 | file[Box2] | send the kernel here! |
| 15:56:00 | file | hrm - my friend's DJ'ing on 'da radio |
| 15:56:43 | CosmicPenguin | Go get it yourself: linux-mips.sourceforge.net |
| 15:56:55 | file | no :p |
| 15:57:08 | file | takes CosmicPenguin' |
| 15:57:10 | file | GAH |
| 15:57:14 | file | takes CosmicPenguin's brain instead |
| 15:57:24 | pattieja | is away: rebooting server to fix tape drive |
| 15:57:51 | file | there's no Nino support... |
| 15:58:08 | file | hrms |
| 15:58:19 | CosmicPenguin | I guarentee it...... |
| 15:58:29 | file | and it's all source |
| 15:58:53 | CosmicPenguin | Well, yeah.... |
| 15:58:55 | file | sees it now |
| 15:59:02 | file | I told you I had no compiling environment |
| 15:59:18 | CosmicPenguin | If someone sent you a Tuxscreen right now, how would you work on it? |
| 15:59:31 | file | carefully? |
| 16:01:50 | CosmicPenguin | How would you compile something? |
| 16:01:57 | file | I wouldn't. :) |
| 16:02:55 | file | crys |
| 16:02:59 | file | please send me a compiled kernel? |
| 16:03:47 | file | bbl :p |
| 16:52:09 | julien | hi all |
| 17:02:33 | CosmicPenguin | If there is one thing that I regret, it is not learning regular expressions better in college.... :( |
| 17:02:42 | file | uh huh |
| 17:12:06 | file | requests a compiled kernel from CosmicPenguin |
| 17:13:45 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i could not agree more! |
| 17:14:24 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i wish i had got a better grasp of proper usage of structs |
| 17:15:02 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i do ok programming c , but i always feel like there is something i'm missing |
| 17:15:30 | file | because there is! |
| 17:18:07 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: yeah.... there is always something that slips through..... for example, I never seemed to learn how to type numbers without looking.... |
| 17:18:18 | prpplague | lol |
| 17:18:19 | CosmicPenguin | I mean, I can type like 60 words a minute, but I still have to look to type a 6 |
| 17:18:26 | file | lol |
| 17:18:42 | file | few years ago I was able to do 82 wpm I believe, haven't tested myself since |
| 17:19:41 | file | including numbers... |
| 17:20:25 | prpplague | ya well i've never had a typing class, and i'm terrible about looking at the keyboard |
| 17:20:44 | file | uh huh |
| 17:21:37 | file | dances |
| 17:21:51 | file | if anybody wants an MP3 Player (16mb internal memory) for $29.95 contact me |
| 17:22:26 | file | has an expansion slot too... |
| 17:22:34 | file | whenever |
| 17:22:35 | file | wherever |
| 17:22:37 | file | we'll be together |
| 17:22:42 | file | I'll be there you'll be near |
| 17:22:46 | file | That's the deal my dear |
| 17:22:49 | file | There's nothing left to feel |
| 17:22:55 | file | if you really feel the way I do |
| 17:23:08 | file | yes - I have weird tastes in music |
| 17:23:18 | prpplague | anyone know what the syntax is for requesting a html page via telnet (i.e. telnet www.foo.com 80 )?? |
| 17:23:33 | file | GET <path> HTTP/1.0 |
| 17:23:36 | julien | does somebody use a tuxscreen as a firewall/gateway ? |
| 17:23:45 | file | Accept: */* |
| 17:23:54 | file | Host: <host your connecting to> |
| 17:24:28 | file | might not work on telnet |
| 17:24:51 | prpplague | yes it worked |
| 17:24:56 | prpplague | thanks there file |
| 17:25:00 | file | nods |
| 17:25:37 | file | that's using the very first HTTP protocol... |
| 17:25:47 | file | quite fun |
| 17:29:30 | CosmicPenguin | julien: No, but it would be very easy to do..... iptables compiles perfectly with uclibc.... |
| 17:30:24 | julien | a lot of people ask me for that when they see my tuxscreen ... |
| 17:30:34 | file | wb Keyser |
| 17:31:13 | file | offers CosmicPenguin an MP3 Player for $29.50 |
| 17:35:08 | file | so what's everyone up to? |
| 18:56:11 | file | grumbles |
| 19:50:58 | Russ|werk | virus idenification: the icons are moving away form the mouse and its an even day, so it can't be that virus |
| 19:51:09 | file | ... |
| 19:51:58 | file | flicks Russ's ear |
| 19:54:14 | Russ|werk | yes? |
| 19:54:26 | file | just annoying you. |
| 20:09:31 | as_ | Evnin all. |
| 21:01:48 | bhima | wonders if anybody is awake... |
| 21:02:00 | | dneuer was last seen on #familiar 4 days, 20 hours, 8 minutes and 39 seconds ago, saying: nikos: I think I have *basically* the latest kernel. It's just broke, and I know what register setting is bad, I just need to make sure I know what to do programmatically to fix it. Then I'm going to patch, patch, patch [Mon Dec 24 00:53:21 2001] |
| 21:02:00 | bhima | ibot: seen dneuer |
| 21:02:43 | david | I'm awake...thinking about how I can use libc instead of uClibc and compile some userland programs...just for the fun of it... |
| 21:02:49 | bhima | hey :) |
| 21:03:06 | bhima | I'm looking at insane stuff about extending my tuxscreen's LCD for my car. |
| 21:03:25 | bhima | I actually think that I might be able to make it work with a standard firewire cable. |
| 21:03:28 | david | anybody out there using libc with the tuxscreen? |
| 21:04:01 | bhima | not right now. I will be soonish. but my knowledge of linux internals is not great. |
| 21:05:04 | david | I have used Linux for a long time, but I learn more and more every day :) |
| 21:06:19 | bhima | well, I got my first linux box in 1995 or so. and I code a lot. but most of my code is supposed to be very portable. |
| 21:07:06 | bhima | randomly sitting down at a linux/x86, Solaris, or freebsd/x86 box and working on the same code tends to give you very portable stuff :) |
| 21:07:19 | bhima | oh, and soemtimes linux/arm of course. |
| 21:07:51 | david | that's cool...I'm a EE by trade, but becoming more and more of a programmer...working on a linux x86 ATM/PHY driver for my company |
| 21:08:18 | file | bah |
| 21:08:22 | file | Don't mess with the telephone company. |
| 21:08:25 | bhima | I'm definitely a CS person, I work doing diagnostics code so I end up playing with hardware. |
| 21:08:40 | bhima | I play around with EE stuff a bit. |
| 21:08:50 | bhima | file: ideally, never deal with the phone company. at all. |
| 21:09:07 | file | Total amount due on this account: $200.71 |
| 21:09:09 | file | :) |
| 21:09:19 | bhima | david: any suggestions on various ways to extend the tuxscreen's LCD? |
| 21:09:36 | bhima | right now I am looking at LVDS serializers. |
| 21:09:49 | file | I want a Tuxscreen. |
| 21:09:59 | bhima | you've got 18 3.3v digital pins, plus clock at 18MHz or so. |
| 21:10:02 | bhima | file: order one! :) |
| 21:10:10 | david | I guess you are wanting to place the screen far away from the mainboard ? |
| 21:10:10 | file | I don't have the money. |
| 21:10:18 | file | $197 CAD for one... including shipping |
| 21:10:33 | bhima | david: about six feet or so. |
| 21:10:52 | bhima | david: 20MHz signals, in an extremely noxious RF environment. doesn't sound like a good idea. |
| 21:11:09 | bhima | file: spend more time at work? :) |
| 21:11:18 | file | uh |
| 21:11:20 | file | I'm 15. |
| 21:11:35 | bhima | (car, plus multiple radio transmitters up to 50W) |
| 21:11:37 | david | yeah, 35KV from firing the spark plugs is not very nice |
| 21:11:58 | bhima | file: convince your parents? Sell their car? :) |
| 21:11:59 | file | bbl |
| 21:12:51 | bhima | National Semiconductor has a chip that takes 21 bits, and runs it over four LVDS pairs. |
| 21:13:02 | bhima | They also have a 10 bits/1 pair chip. |
| 21:13:36 | david | bhima: you are correct differential signaling is what you need in this evnvironment |
| 21:13:38 | bhima | I was thinking, actually, of trying to use the 10 bit chip and doubling the rate, sending two 10 bit words for 20 bits total. |
| 21:13:56 | bhima | that would eliminate the annoyance of matching lengths of cable. |
| 21:14:16 | bhima | firewire cables are well within the spec that the 10 bit serializers want. |
| 21:14:30 | bhima | but this would be a bigger project than I have ever done... |
| 21:14:54 | bhima | OTOH, I do have access to diagnostics equipment that is perfect for this. |
| 21:15:02 | bhima | (at work. we make big routers) |
| 21:15:09 | david | If you make something that others can use, I think it is well worth it. |
| 21:15:25 | david | who do you work for? |
| 21:15:32 | bhima | right. OTOH, if I waste lots of time and produce nothing useful, it's a waste :) |
| 21:15:35 | bhima | Laurel Networks. |
| 21:15:38 | bhima | www.laurelnetworks.com |
| 21:15:58 | david | I work for Conexant/Mindspeed > www.mindspeed.com |
| 21:16:20 | andersee | david: I've used libc on the tuxscreen |
| 21:16:42 | bhima | so, I have clocked 20MHz data, and I want to split it into two half-sized words. Would a PLL clock doubler plus some registers be the best way to do that? |
| 21:16:56 | bhima | and, any advice on easy to work with clock doubling stuff at those rates? |
| 21:17:43 | bhima | firewire is two pairs plus power. so I can use one pair for this, the power wires, and then have bidirectional RS232 for the touch screen and brightness/contrast. |
| 21:17:55 | david | bhima: I need to switch my brain from CS to EE...let me think about that stuff and I will get back to you! |
| 21:18:33 | bhima | david: thanks :) |
| 21:18:56 | david | andersee: what's the easiest way to compile a simple "hello_world.c" using libc...I guess I need to compile libc for the arm |
| 21:19:10 | bhima | I'm just hoping I could make this work with one, single simple |
| 21:19:29 | andersee | david: Step one, download and install a working cross compiler. |
| 21:19:30 | bhima | cable instead of having to have four pairs that are precisely matched in length... |
| 21:19:40 | andersee | david: Step two write up hello.c |
| 21:19:42 | david | got the cross compiler |
| 21:19:51 | david | got the hello.c |
| 21:20:03 | andersee | david: Step three, 'arm-linux-gcc hello.c -o hello --static' |
| 21:20:23 | andersee | david: Step four, copy over hello using zmodem (rz/rz) |
| 21:20:32 | andersee | david: Step five, ./hello |
| 21:20:35 | david | will the arm-linux-gcc know where to find the include libs ? |
| 21:21:01 | andersee | Your cross compiler should have included a copy of GNU libc cross compiled for ARM |
| 21:21:02 | david | I have NFS working and have compiled stuff using the arm-linux-uclibc compiler |
| 21:21:08 | andersee | Your cross compiler should have included a copy of GNU libc cross compiled for ARM |
| 21:21:24 | david | hold on a second and I will try it. |
| 21:21:27 | andersee | Ok. Then you are using uClibc. |
| 21:22:27 | andersee | the arm-uclibc- compiler will produce binaries for the tuxscreen that use uClibc. You said you wanted libc, so I was telling you how to use glibc. |
| 21:23:03 | david | glibc is fine |
| 21:23:11 | andersee | Due to limited space on the tuxscreen, it used uClibc, which is better suited to the small amount of memory on the tuxscreen. |
| 21:23:43 | david | yeah, I realized that...I used uClibc with uClinux |
| 21:23:54 | andersee | A glibc static hello world binary will be huge... |
| 21:24:31 | andersee | Oh, ok good. So you have some background. |
| 21:25:25 | david | 256074 Dec 27 19:25 hello_libc : you are right it is big! I just to get my head around using different libraries if I need to |
| 21:26:04 | andersee | Generally speaking, people using glibc will buy a CF card and then chroot into the CF card on bootup.... |
| 21:26:14 | andersee | Sure. |
| 21:26:44 | david | I have the CF card...48MB, but have not used it yet |
| 21:26:49 | andersee | If you do find anything that doesn't work properly when using uClibc, just let me know |
| 21:26:56 | andersee | maintains uClibc |
| 21:28:10 | andersee | david: I'm not sure how big the familiar distro is, but you might be able to stuff that onto your CF card and chroot to it. I hear that is a popular approach |
| 21:28:38 | david | I was trying to get Viewml working...and discovered last night that it cannot resolv domain names correcly due to a C++ issue.. :( |
| 21:28:48 | andersee | Yeah. |
| 21:29:05 | andersee | The viewml browser is kindof hosed up. |
| 21:29:08 | david | I am looking a familiar right now.. that uses glibc right? |
| 21:29:14 | andersee | right |
| 21:29:48 | andersee | Regarding the C++ issue, I'm scheduled to have full c++ support working with uClibc by mid January |
| 21:30:05 | david | do you still work for Lineo? |
| 21:30:25 | andersee | No! Thank heavens. :) |
| 21:30:48 | andersee | I'm an independant consultant these days. |
| 21:31:32 | david | cool! |
| 21:32:38 | david | I think I could put familiar on a NFS partition and run it from there instead of using the CF card. |
| 21:35:06 | CosmicPenguin | Viewml is hosed up, eh???? |
| 21:35:22 | CosmicPenguin | "Them are fighting words...." :) |
| 21:36:21 | david | Eric, thanks for the tips on the lib stuff...I'll go try build something useful for my tuxscreen! |
| 21:36:39 | ctr | hey jordan |
| 21:37:13 | CosmicPenguin | ctr: Whats up? |
| 21:37:16 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: heh |
| 21:37:29 | ctr | CosmicPenguin: not much |
| 21:37:33 | ctr | CosmicPenguin: playing with ferite |
| 21:37:48 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: No worries.... C++ support would be nice.... of course, I could get off my butt and write a nscd deamon for uclibc too.... |
| 21:37:49 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: DNS resolution in viewml on the tuxscreen was still non-functional last I looked... |
| 21:37:52 | ctr | CosmicPenguin: and playing some gmaeboy advance games in an emulator before they turn up :) |
| 21:38:12 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: I'm going to go ahead and blame it on the glibc 2.95 |
| 21:38:31 | andersee | Sounds like a fine place for placing blame. :) |
| 21:38:46 | CosmicPenguin | ctr: Cool..... what do you think about the new bluetooth card for the GBA..... Good idea or stupid gimmick? |
| 21:39:05 | ctr | CosmicPenguin: stupid gimmic |
| 21:39:24 | ctr | CosmicPenguin: games will be kinda bad turn based because you will get too much latency over the net |
| 21:39:41 | ctr | CosmicPenguin: where you get almostzero ;latency over a game link cable |
| 21:39:41 | Hiraghm | waves near everyone |
| 21:39:50 | | Merry Christmas! |
| 21:39:50 | Hiraghm | ibot merry xmas |
| 21:40:10 | Hiraghm | http://www.xtimports.com/data/graphics/SHGazette7.jpg |
| 21:40:36 | | andersee: what? |
| 21:40:36 | andersee | ibot: happy solstice! |
| 21:41:08 | CosmicPenguin | ctr: True, true.... but you do get almost 200 feet of distance.... great for playing during boring history classes... |
| 21:41:22 | ctr | CosmicPenguin: yeah s'pose |
| 21:41:32 | ctr | CosmicPenguin: but it's fun taunting people when playing htem :) |
| 21:41:36 | | OK, andersee. |
| 21:41:36 | andersee | ibot: A Solstice is the point in the earth's ecliptic at which the sun is farthest from the equator |
| 21:43:25 | Hiraghm | what game? |
| 21:44:04 | | OK, CosmicPenguin. |
| 21:44:04 | CosmicPenguin | ibot: a equinox is the point in the earth's ecliptic at which the sun is directly over the equator |
| 21:44:50 | Morn | any solaris people around? |
| 21:49:05 | bhima | slightly solaris. I'm irc'ing on a solaris box right now. |
| 21:49:07 | prpplague | Morn: i spent a weekend on it, after that i was happy to go back to sco and linux |
| 21:49:29 | Morn | :-) |
| 21:49:38 | Morn | I'm trying to remove a bunch of related packages |
| 21:49:45 | Morn | and wondered if there was an easier way to do it |
| 21:49:58 | bhima | ahh. never had root on a solaris box :/ |
| 21:50:12 | Morn | I've got an ultrasparc here with solaris on it |
| 21:50:27 | Morn | I need another ultra-wide scsi drive for it though |
| 21:50:32 | Morn | I just don't have enough room |
| 21:50:50 | Morn | but I installed the trial sun compilers and the trial expired so I want to remove it all |
| 21:50:58 | Morn | but it's in like 30 different packages |
| 21:51:13 | prpplague | Morn: what size scsi you need? |
| 21:51:38 | Morn | prpplague: as big as I can get :-) It has 4 hot swap bays and I have 2 9 gig drives in right now |
| 21:52:57 | prpplague | what kinda connectors you need on them? |
| 21:53:19 | Morn | it's ultra - wide... I didn't count the pins :-) |
| 21:53:42 | prpplague | the reason i ask we just upgraded a bunch of systems, we have some drives that are good that they are going to chunk |
| 21:54:12 | Morn | what kind of connectors? |
| 21:56:13 | prpplague | 50 pin, 68 pin din, and some centronix hot swappable connections |
| 21:56:37 | Morn | I wish I was better at telling from looking at the connectors |
| 21:56:49 | Morn | let me put the system in power save and pull a drive out |
| 21:57:19 | Hiraghm | clears his throat |
| 21:58:24 | bhima | clears his screen |
| 21:58:35 | prpplague | clears his cache |
| 22:01:21 | Morn | this might be 80pin |
| 22:02:16 | Morn | the drive I just pulled out is a 80 pin Ultra160 |
| 22:02:35 | prpplague | is this in a hot swap bay? |
| 22:02:42 | Morn | yes |
| 22:02:45 | GPSFan | andersee: did you catch my question about a problem in busybox mount? you vanished about 2 min after I asked, so I wan't sure you saw it or not. since then I think I've found a problem with umount too. umount returns "Invalid argument" when you try to umount a device ie. /dev/hda1. |
| 22:03:09 | prpplague | Morn: does it kinda look like a minature parallel centronix connector? |
| 22:03:26 | Morn | no |
| 22:03:35 | prpplague | hmm |
| 22:03:41 | Morn | hmmm, maybe |
| 22:03:47 | Morn | upside down |
| 22:04:08 | Morn | longer and thinner, but yeah, I guess like that |
| 22:04:16 | prpplague | got a model number, i can look it up |
| 22:04:18 | Hiraghm | bounces up and down |
| 22:04:26 | Hiraghm | waves near Morn |
| 22:04:35 | prpplague | swaggers side to side |
| 22:04:37 | Morn | Seagate Barracuda ST39236LC |
| 22:04:40 | Hiraghm | Sorry, I'm just excited to see this much activity in the channel 8c) |
| 22:04:53 | Hiraghm | decides to inflict his pic on the channel again |
| 22:04:55 | Hiraghm | http://www.xtimports.com/data/graphics/SHGazette7.jpg |
| 22:05:53 | andersee | GPSFan: just a min -- I'm on the phone. |
| 22:05:57 | prpplague | Morn: ya the lc is the centronixs connector |
| 22:06:12 | Morn | ok, your better at this than me |
| 22:06:31 | GPSFan | andersee: ok, no hurry... |
| 22:07:12 | prpplague | Morn: i'll check around and see what i can find before they trash the stuff |
| 22:07:29 | Morn | thanks |
| 22:07:34 | Morn | Let me know what you find |
| 22:07:44 | Hiraghm | finds some wilted lettuce |
| 22:07:49 | Morn | this type of drive is expensive |
| 22:07:57 | Hiraghm | yup |
| 22:08:07 | Hiraghm | I'd have put a 2nd drive on my O2 cept it was so spensive |
| 22:08:22 | Hiraghm | I may do it anyway just to be perverse |
| 22:08:29 | Morn | I think I accidently powered off instead of sleep mode |
| 22:08:31 | Morn | ooops |
| 22:08:37 | Hiraghm | laughs |
| 22:08:41 | | Merry Christmas! |
| 22:08:41 | Hiraghm | ibot merry xmas! |
| 22:09:22 | Morn | and I need the serial cable, because there is no video or monitor and it looks like it is stuck at a fsck prompt |
| 22:09:29 | Morn | I can ping the machine, but that is it |
| 22:09:43 | Hiraghm | ah, I see you have the machine that goes "ping!" |
| 22:10:16 | Hiraghm | Morn, did you have a Christmas? |
| 22:10:25 | Morn | I had a great Christmas with my family |
| 22:10:33 | Morn | but my cell phone got stolen on the way there |
| 22:10:36 | Hiraghm | cheers near Morn |
| 22:10:40 | Morn | I need to start dinner, I'll be back later |
| 22:10:41 | Hiraghm | comforts Morn |
| 22:10:44 | Hiraghm | doh |
| 22:10:44 | Morn | is away: making dinner |
| 22:10:59 | Hiraghm | should have pestered Morn to look at his picture sooner. |
| 22:11:11 | prpplague | what pics are those? |
| 22:11:18 | Hiraghm | http://www.xtimports.com/data/graphics/SHGazette7.jpg |
| 22:12:13 | Hiraghm | my first Lightwave scene. |
| 22:12:46 | Hiraghm | that bad huh? 8c) |
| 22:24:03 | Morn | oy, it only connects at 9600 baud for the serial console |
| 22:25:44 | Hiraghm | sighs, clearly disappointed |
| 22:26:31 | prpplague | Morn: whats for dinner? |
| 22:26:48 | Morn | baked chicken and mash potatoes |
| 22:26:52 | prpplague | hmm |
| 22:27:35 | Hiraghm | hmm? |
| 22:28:03 | prpplague | more like hmm hmm good |
| 22:28:24 | Morn | I worked as a professional cook for a number of years |
| 22:28:27 | Morn | I'm pretty good at it |
| 22:28:56 | prpplague | Morn: i know thats why i asked |
| 22:29:20 | prpplague | Hiraghm: nice pic |
| 22:32:36 | Morn | well the ultrasparc is running again |
| 22:33:31 | Morn | and I was wrong there were 80 packages for the compilers |
| 22:33:35 | Morn | sighs. |
| 22:33:39 | prpplague | doh |
| 22:35:10 | bhima | so, any chance anybody here knows anything about how the LCD panel on the tuxscreen works at a low-ish level? I'm guessing not, but I figure I'll ask. |
| 22:35:23 | bhima | (reason I ask is that one document suggested that most of them work differently than I figured) |
| 22:36:09 | Morn | my knowledge of LCD screens is sparse, I do know it's very complicated inside |
| 22:36:18 | GPSFan | bhima: I'm somewhat familiar with low level LCD operation, what's up? |
| 22:36:21 | Morn | every pixil has it's own wiring |
| 22:36:30 | bhima | oh, I'm thinking of the 3.3v digital link between the panel and the tuxscreen. |
| 22:37:03 | bhima | basically, what the connector has is 16 pins of "display data", a frame clock, a line clock, and a pixel clock. |
| 22:37:37 | bhima | What I figured was that every time there was a pulse on the pixel clock line, there would be a new pixel's worth of data. |
| 22:38:02 | bhima | One of the documents I've found suggests something bizarre - that the pixel clock would be, say, 3 cycles per pixel. |
| 22:38:33 | GPSFan | bhima: that is dependant on how the guts of the panel are set up, DSTN panels don't have a 1:1 relationship between pixel clocks and displayed pixels. |
| 22:39:03 | bhima | gpsfan: ahh, ok. interesting and vaguely annoying :) |
| 22:39:31 | bhima | (sharp's web site has nothing useful) |
| 22:39:57 | Keyser | 3 cycles = RGB? |
| 22:40:03 | GPSFan | bhima: a good place to look for the various kinds of DSTN interfaces is the old C & T 655xx data books, which are on-line. |
| 22:40:26 | bhima | gpsfan: thank you! I'll check that. on the actual c&t web site? |
| 22:40:47 | Hiraghm | last night someone posted a link to where a tux was converted into a wireless terminal thingy |
| 22:41:01 | GPSFan | bhima: C & T is long gone but there is a place to get them, wait 1 & I'll post the url... |
| 22:41:05 | bhima | yeah. I read that. nifty. |
| 22:41:52 | bhima | thanks. |
| 22:42:22 | GPSFan | bhima: here is the link for the 65555, the others are there too. http://www.asiliant.com/65555.htm#Data Sheet |
| 22:42:44 | Hiraghm | pokes prpplague |
| 22:42:56 | prpplague | doh, hit that all powerfull ctrl-alt-bksp |
| 22:43:28 | GPSFan | bhima: of interest to you might be AN103_1 |
| 22:44:29 | bhima | heh. yes. looks good. |
| 22:44:50 | bhima | (I looked at a similar note for national semiconductor's stuff. but it obviously focused more on their chips) |
| 22:45:26 | GPSFan | bhima: don't try and do LVDS on less than 4 layers of PCB, and be careful of trace routing, it can be nasty. |
| 22:46:30 | prpplague | wakes up |
| 22:46:39 | prpplague | Hiraghm: what did i do this time? |
| 22:46:59 | GPSFan | bhima: some of the C & T books have details on interfacing various panels, most have how the different versions of DSTN interfaces operate, which is what you are interested in, I suppose. |
| 22:47:40 | bhima | gps: yeah. I'm bascially looking for a simple, normal flat panel link. |
| 22:48:00 | bhima | nothing strangely exotic. |
| 22:49:57 | bhima | gps: I'll be using a professionally made board. it'll be double sided, though, so I may end up fabricated it into a four layer myself if needed. |
| 22:50:07 | bhima | luckily I do have access to more than adequate testing hardware. |
| 22:50:10 | GPSFan | bhima: I did an 800 x 600 active matrix LVDS link from a C & T 69000 not tooo long ago. it worked well up to about 50' |
| 22:50:42 | bhima | gps: wow. kick ass. what sort of connectors did you use? |
| 22:50:50 | bhima | (I'm obviously worried about skew issues) |
| 22:52:06 | GPSFan | bhima: the trick with LVDS (especially Nationals parts) is to keep the data leads form the controller to the LVDS chip really short. if they are not, undershoot cah lead to latchup, which can lead to smoke comming out of the LVDS chip. (this is the voice of experience) ;>)) |
| 22:52:44 | bhima | controller, as in the display controller? |
| 22:53:02 | bhima | I was just gonna plug this in to the daughterboard connector, so the data leads wuld be, umm, long... |
| 22:53:15 | bhima | err. the LCD connector on the daughterboard. |
| 22:53:35 | bhima | doesn't want the magic smoke to escape. |
| 22:53:38 | GPSFan | bhima: there were several connectors in the LVDS path, the national LVDS chip went up in smoke, it was a repeatable effect. |
| 22:53:40 | Hiraghm | huh? oh, nothing prp. |
| 22:54:36 | bhima | but LVDS chips are driver chips, and driver ships are supposed tobe hard to fry :P |
| 22:54:52 | GPSFan | bhima: finally switched to the Ti version of the part and all was well. also shortened up the data leads to reduce the undershoot. Believe the National specs. |
| 22:56:10 | Morn | is anyone here an advanced java programmer? |
| 22:57:21 | bhima | looking at this, I am wondering if I should try to avoid using serialized stuff. |
| 22:57:25 | GPSFan | bhima: I thought so too, after much interaction with National tech support they admitted that certain parts were subject to serious failure as a result of excessive undershoot. as in .4-.6Volt below ground. |
| 22:58:00 | bhima | well, really, what I need to do is hook a tuxscreen up to a scope and find out what it really outputs. |
| 22:58:35 | bhima | you probably already told me inthe past, but what's your opinion of max cable length with lots of RFI? |
| 22:58:49 | bhima | (assuming shielded twisted ribbon or something similar) |
| 22:59:33 | GPSFan | bhima: the undershoot is entirely dependant on layout and trace impedance. using the standard lcd interface witha foil shield around the data cable you should be able to get several feet. |
| 23:01:21 | bhima | ok. I should test that out first before I embark on this more complex plan. |
| 23:01:36 | bhima | but I still think that having a single firewire cable linking the panel would be sexy :) |
| 23:01:56 | bhima | (using a standard serializer that deals with a single pair at up to 66MHz) |
| 23:02:32 | bhima | the firewire cable specs appear to be tight enough for it. |
| 23:02:57 | GPSFan | bhima: I'd try it first with a long ribbon cable, and cut it down till it starts to work. yes a single wire video interface is both possible and cool, except ti takes power on the Rx & Tx ends. |
| 23:03:22 | bhima | oh, this is in a car. there's an athlon in the trunk. I'm not worried about power :) |
| 23:04:27 | GPSFan | bhima: I meant in terms of the driver chips getting overly hot. I worked on a single coax panel interface a few years ago that used HP chips to serialize the data, boy did they get hot. |
| 23:04:52 | bhima | ahh. good point. I'll ensure I allow for that. |
| 23:05:27 | GPSFan | bhima: LVDS is pretty good on power consumption as it was designed for notebook apps. |
| 23:05:53 | bhima | basically, I have acquired an empeg which is going to go in to the DIN enclosure and be a file server, and the tuxscreen will go under my seat and boot via nfs/afs/coda |
| 23:06:20 | GPSFan | bhima: swell |
| 23:08:25 | bhima | well, this means that I need a longer cable. that's the disadvantage. |
| 23:08:47 | GPSFan | bhima: what kind of car? |
| 23:08:49 | bhima | but $300 for a 20GB empeg is decent. 's just too bad you can't add enough memory. |
| 23:08:53 | bhima | VW Golf, 1996. |
| 23:09:16 | GPSFan | bhima: sunroof? |
| 23:09:21 | bhima | yup. |
| 23:09:30 | bhima | electric sunroof, manual windows, four doors. |
| 23:10:45 | GPSFan | bhima: don't be disappionted if you have trouble seeing the Tux's display, try taking it out to your car powered by an inverter to see how it would look under various lighting conditions. |
| 23:10:54 | andersee | GPSFan: I'm back. So what was your problem? |
| 23:11:12 | bhima | oh, and it uses standard OBD-II diagnostics. |
| 23:11:20 | GPSFan | andersee: try typing mount -t proc on both a tux & your desktop. |
| 23:11:40 | bhima | gps: right. I have used it once or twice under those conditions. it won't be great, but it will be repositionable. |
| 23:11:50 | bhima | (gonna use a rammount ball mounting for it) |
| 23:11:59 | andersee | I'm 2000 miles away from my tux phone (at my parents)... |
| 23:12:13 | andersee | GPSFan: Mind sharing the details? |
| 23:12:13 | GPSFan | andersee: in busybox mount you always get all mounted filesystems |
| 23:12:29 | bhima | andersee: you don't have your tuxscreen on the 'net? :) |
| 23:12:39 | GPSFan | andersee: on the desktop you only get those of type proc. |
| 23:12:54 | andersee | bhima: Its connected to my desktop box, which is off |
| 23:13:13 | andersee | bhima: Ahh, ok. |
| 23:13:27 | GPSFan | andersee: I found this while trying to get my ethernet card to mount & unmount nfs stuff automatically. |
| 23:13:51 | andersee | bhima: Not a critical bug, mainly a bb takes shortcuts bug. |
| 23:14:26 | GPSFan | andersee: to get the busybox mount to work like the desktop version, I had to do mount |grep proc |
| 23:14:32 | andersee | GPSFan: Oops. wrong person. Not a critical bug, mainly a bb takes shortcuts bug. |
| 23:14:39 | andersee | right. |
| 23:14:47 | andersee | A bit annoying. |
| 23:15:19 | GPSFan | andersee: not at all, just thought I'd bring it up, the other one is that umount doesn't like devices. ie umount /dev/hda1 |
| 23:15:34 | GPSFan | andersee: results in "Invalid argument" |
| 23:16:05 | andersee | Odd. |
| 23:16:20 | andersee | That is an important one to fix. |
| 23:16:24 | GPSFan | andersee: this one is somewhat more annoying. |
| 23:16:57 | andersee | indeed. I'll fix that on my flight home tomorrow evening |
| 23:17:16 | bhima | hmm. some DSTN displays havea 1:1 clock setup, some don't. |
| 23:17:35 | andersee | night |
| 23:17:51 | GPSFan | andersee: great, how unstable is the unstable branch? I'd like to use netstat which is not in the stable branch? |
| 23:17:57 | andersee | goes to relax for my remaining vacation time |
| 23:18:06 | GPSFan | night... |
| 23:18:07 | andersee | Not too unstable |
| 23:18:13 | GPSFan | ;>) |
| 23:18:16 | GPSFan | thanks |
| 23:18:16 | andersee | But not 100% either |
| 23:18:23 | GPSFan | is anything?? |
| 23:18:46 | bhima | the HLT instruction is stable. |
| 23:20:06 | bhima | ahh, here we go. I'll just read the blob source code to find out how the LCD setup is initialized. |
| 23:31:18 | Morn | yikes, I just made a simple change to my prime finding program |
| 23:31:29 | Morn | and it went from 23 seconds for the first 10000 primes to 2 seconds |
| 23:31:41 | file | what did you change? |
| 23:32:07 | Morn | I used modulus instead of doing it by hand |
| 23:32:14 | file | uh huh |
| 23:32:30 | Morn | I was doing the division and then checking to see if I rounded it off if the value was the same |
| 23:32:39 | Morn | by using modulus it really sped it up |
| 23:32:39 | file | uh huh |
| 23:33:27 | Morn | the first 100,000 primes in 3 minutes 11 seconds |
| 23:33:34 | Morn | I think I can do better :-) |
| 23:34:07 | Morn | dinner time |
| 23:34:16 | file | frowns |
| 23:41:05 | bhima | yawns. |
