irclog2html for tuxscreen on 2001.12.24

00:00:27filecrys
00:00:32fileI want a Tuxscreen, pretty please?
00:07:16Hiraghmwaves near ctr
00:09:07ctrheh
00:09:22fileI want a Tuxscreen, pretty pretty pretty pretty please?
00:09:40HiraghmI think he's got some kind of bot set up for whenever someone says something, ctr 8c)
00:09:53filelaughs
00:09:53filenope
00:09:57ctrme?
00:09:59ctrnah
00:10:02ctri dont
00:12:59Hiraghmpoints near file
00:13:51filegrumbles
00:15:12ctrhas a tuxscreen
00:15:20ctrsitting about 1.5hours away
00:15:29filewants one
00:18:21HiraghmI'm sure if you save your pennies by the time you can afford one there will still be some available
00:18:26Hiraghmpats file comfortingly
00:18:39filehow long has there been 600 available?
00:19:59fileHiraghm?
00:21:36Hiraghmhm.
00:21:44Hiraghmwell, there were 700 available when I got mine
00:21:51Hiraghmthat was early november
00:21:54fileuh huh
00:22:34filewell I'll be back tomorrow
00:22:37fileBYE!
00:23:20Hiraghmwaves near Morn
00:23:25Hiraghmwaves near file
00:24:08Mornhi
00:24:15MornI've got the weirdest thing here
00:24:33Mornwhen I boot the machine beeps for every meg of ram tested
00:29:16Hiraghmhttp://www.cis.rit.edu/~jerry/Software/4p/
00:29:23Hiraghmyou mean the tux?
00:38:32Hiraghmhttp://members.home.net/erniew/juggler.html
00:38:40file[Bed]hrm?
00:38:58file[Bed]crys
00:39:04file[Bed]my pinky finger hurts
00:39:28Hiraghmcomforts file
00:39:52file[Bed]this morning I broke part of my toenail off...
00:39:55file[Bed]that hurt less!
00:40:02Hiraghmnods
00:40:07Hiraghmwell.. it would.
00:40:50file[Bed]so what are you up to?
00:41:12file[Bed]pays Hiraghm $5 to hack together a Phone-less TuxScreen
00:42:03Hiraghmme? I'm eating supper and surfing graphics related sites looking for tutorials
00:42:16file[Bed]supper?
00:42:45file[Bed]I had that 4 hours ago...
00:43:45file[Bed]so what do you do with your Tuxscreen's?
00:45:59file[Bed]pokes Hiraghm
00:46:37file[Bed]oh bloody dingo
00:48:37HiraghmI hate crashing
00:48:57file[Bed]so what do you do with your Tuxscreen's?
00:49:21Hiraghmright now? Talk on the phone. that's about it til I get some tools installed and working
00:49:26file[Bed]lol
00:49:35file[Bed]how much RAM/flash does it have?
00:52:11Hiraghmthe tux? 4meg flash, 12 meg sram (I think)
00:52:18Hiraghmshould say in the wiki
00:52:40wiki is a community editable website hosting a collection of useful, linux on handheld documents and can be found at http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki
00:52:40Hiraghmibot wiki?
00:52:41file[Bed]I'm on a 386 laptop, I don't have the luxury of a web browser.
00:52:52Hiraghmah
00:53:16file[Bed]4mb flash? how the heck can you get a usuable Linux on 'dat.
00:53:34file[Bed]with X Windows...
00:56:03file[Bed]slaps Hiraghm with a dingo
00:57:22HiraghmPicoGUI is how I do it
00:57:35file[Bed]yeah... but even it's pretty limited
00:57:39Hiraghmand I'm not (yet) using Linux on it
00:57:55file[Bed]thought you were...
00:57:59file[Bed]how is Inferno?
00:58:05HiraghmHey, you're not going to be playing Quake 3 Arena or Everquest on the tux, that's for sure.
00:58:22file[Bed]sells Hiraghm a serial port CD-Rom drive
00:58:38HiraghmI have inferno on one machine, and linux on the other. the linux is just sitting there atm waiting for me to port some tools to irix
00:58:55Hiraghminferno is ... limited. But interesting.
00:59:02file[Bed]laughs
00:59:11file[Bed]cool
00:59:40Hiraghmyou should put arachne on your laptop
00:59:52file[Bed]Arachne? I suppose I should... but I'm not
00:59:57Hiraghmokay
01:00:01file[Bed]I should put Linux on it :)
01:00:50file[Bed]has anybody ported Linux to a calculator yet?
01:01:29Hiraghmhm don't think so
01:01:37file[Bed]pity...
01:02:00Hiraghmthey ported it to the PS2 though
01:02:02file[Bed]if I buy you a Tracfone, will you buy me a Tuxscreen?
01:02:12Hiraghmponders a moment
01:02:12HiraghmNo
01:02:20file[Bed]pour quoi.
01:02:21Hiraghmdoesn't even know what a Tracfone is
01:02:28file[Bed]cellphone
01:02:49Hiraghmah
01:02:57file[bed]: no idea
01:02:57file[Bed]ibot: Tracfone?
01:03:04i guess i am it sucks to be you
01:03:04Hiraghmibot ibot?
01:03:05OK, file[Bed].
01:03:05file[Bed]ibot: Tracfone is http://www.tracfone.com/
01:07:35file[Bed]pokes Hiraghm
01:07:49Hiraghmhttp://www.bardslegacy.com/main.html
01:08:16file[Bed]so...
01:08:22file[Bed]I poke and you spit out a URL?
01:09:46Hiraghmheh
01:09:55Hiraghmtold ya I was busy looking for tutorialz
01:10:00file[Bed]uh huh
01:10:09file[Bed]I'm logging onto DALnet
01:10:09file[Bed]bbl
01:12:24Hiraghmsighs
20:04:24HiraghmHi!
20:04:38bugger all, i dunno, hiraghm
20:04:38Hiraghmibot botmail?
20:04:42Hiraghm: excuse me?
20:04:42Hiraghmibot botmail
20:04:49Hiraghmibot help botmail
20:05:02Hiraghmibot botmail check
20:05:18i think kernelwork is when i am working on the kernel
20:05:18Hiraghmibot kernelwork
20:05:23hmmm... thekernel is the personification of all things linux...
20:05:23Hiraghmibot thekernel
20:05:35i am it sucks to be you
20:05:35Hiraghmibot ibot?
20:05:42Hiraghm: I forgot ibot
20:05:42Hiraghmibot forget ibot
20:05:45you are Extra Terrestrial Imports or a small furry alien
20:05:45Hiraghmibot Hiraghm
20:05:54i think scanline is the creator of PicoGUI
20:05:54Hiraghmibot scanline
20:06:05Hiraghm: i'm not following you...
20:06:05Hiraghmibot have you seen BZFlag
20:06:10i heard BZFlag was TimRiker or a 3D internet multiplayer multiplatform (linux, irix, win32, etc) opensource opengl Battlezone capture the flag game that you must try at http://BZFlag.org/ debian arm linux contains a version that will run on the ipaq at like 6 fps
20:06:10Hiraghmibot BZFlag?
20:06:16BZFlag is TimRiker or a 3D internet multiplayer multiplatform (linux, irix, win32, etc) opensource opengl Battlezone capture the flag game that you must try at http://BZFlag.org/ debian arm linux contains a version that will run on the ipaq at like 6 fps
20:06:16Hiraghmibot where is BZFlag
20:34:55Hiraghmafk
20:56:42filehi all
20:56:51hello, Tangent
20:56:51Tangentfile : hi
20:57:02fileTangent!
20:57:17Tangent: i'm not following you...
20:57:17Tangentibot : Was I speaking to you? No.. I don't think I was... so shut it
20:57:26fileMerry Christmas.
20:57:31Tangent: sorry...
20:57:31Tangentibot : Follow me to hell.. but now back
20:57:43Tangentfile : Thanks... still 3 hours away here...
20:57:50Tangentfile : Merry Christmas to you tho'
20:58:42filehums
20:58:53fileI need to write a compression routine
20:59:20fileneed to, but won't
21:03:11fileI want Christmas to get over with!
21:04:43filepokes Tangent
21:07:33TangentYeah.. I know the feeling...
21:07:40Tangentwas AFk watching TV...
21:07:44Tangentand now I'm going again
21:07:51filebah
21:34:13Hiraghmbeams a smile at no one in particular
21:35:11Hiraghmfile : hi
21:35:16Hiraghmhm.
21:35:20Hiraghmmust only werk for tangent
21:35:21Hiraghmpouts
21:40:44HiraghmHey!
21:56:29rumour has it time is &t&
21:56:29Hiraghmibot time?
21:56:34i heard time was &t&
21:56:34Hiraghmibot time
21:56:39Hiraghm: excuse me?
21:56:39Hiraghmibot &t&
21:56:44Hiraghm&t&
21:56:55Hiraghm: sorry...
21:56:55Hiraghmibot merry christmas!
21:58:07hmmm... Newtek is http://www.newtek.com Makers of Lightwave 3D, Aura [2] and the new Video Toaster NT.
21:58:07Hiraghmibot Newtek
21:58:19hiraghm: i haven't a clue
21:58:19Hiraghmibot Lightwave?
22:01:23scanlineawakens
22:10:26Hiraghmpokes scanline
22:10:28rumour has it scanline is the creator of PicoGUI
22:10:28Hiraghmibot scanline
22:12:07filefrowns
22:12:19scanlinewaves near Hiraghm
22:12:26scanlinewaves near file too
22:12:32fileis surprised scanline is alive
22:12:44scanlineis surprised that file is surprised
22:13:04fileso what's new?
22:13:47scanlineNew? Well, i haven't done anything with picogui the last couple days... I was working on a homemade 10baseT ethernet transciever, but decided i'd put it off until i have better test equipment
22:13:59fileahhhhhh
22:14:01filego work on Kiwi
22:14:09fileupdate the web page atleast!
22:14:12scanlinehmm...
22:14:14scanlinekiwi...
22:14:23scanlinegets kiwi off the local shelf
22:14:37filethe microcontroller you dingo
22:14:43scanlinei know
22:14:50scanlineit was on a shelf in my room, which i'm in
22:15:01fileahhhhhh
22:15:03fileget it
22:15:08fileuh
22:15:09scanline'tis here on my desk now
22:15:11filedo stuff with it
22:15:17filetake a picture?
22:15:29scanlineI just realised I left my digital camera at CU
22:15:39fileoh good
22:15:45scanlinegood?
22:15:52filenot really
22:15:59file:)
22:16:02filejust trying to confuse you
22:16:11scanlinei could use another picture... the ones on the web site were taken before i hooked up the LCD
22:16:42scanlineeverything still requires an external power supply though
22:16:48filebah
22:16:53filecan you use a battery?
22:16:55scanline+5v, +3v, and i think -12v
22:17:04scanlineerr, 3.3v
22:18:01fileuh huh
22:18:05scanlineall, the main logic runs on 3.3v, but sound and LCD need 5v, and the LCD also needs some negative voltage
22:18:26filehits some keys and the Kiwi explodes
22:18:29filenot very stable.
22:18:37scanlinenah, the keyboard isn't hooked up
22:18:47fileso much work to do
22:19:05filehop to it now
22:19:17scanlineumm
22:19:28filewhat what what
22:20:52fileawaits an answer
22:20:54scanlineI think if i'm going to do any more work for the Kiwi project (which i hope will happen someday) I need to start from scratch on a new prototype
22:21:04fileyou do that then.
22:21:06scanlineThis one's too fragile and too hard to modify
22:21:09filerips off the wires
22:21:25scanlinefile explodes
22:21:36scanlinefile not found
22:21:39filecomes back to life
22:22:33scanlinebut, you know what would be even cooler than the current design of the Kiwi?
22:22:42filenope...
22:23:06scanlineInstead of just building a pretty standard system around the Dragonball CPU, it could use an FPGA as its core
22:23:14fileuh huh
22:23:19filewrite these idea's down!
22:23:27filetrys to figure out what an FPGA is
22:23:48scanlineWe could have a RISC CPU in there, and even implement a substantial part of PicoGUI's rendering engine in hardware, so the CPU itself wouldn't need to be real fast
22:24:01scanlineHandheld computer with hardware accelerated video :)
22:24:08fileyup yup yup
22:24:20filehave a co-processor for video rendering...
22:24:29scanlineit would all be inside the FPGA
22:24:36Hiraghmhm.
22:24:46filevery good.
22:25:10Hiraghmhey, scanline
22:25:19scanlineSomething to design now, and market once FPGA prices come down :)
22:25:24scanlineHiraghm: hi
22:25:30filescanline: how much is an FPGA?
22:25:47Hiraghmwhat is an FPGA?
22:25:56scanlineFPGA == Field Programmable Gate Array
22:25:58fileHiraghm: Field Programmable Gateway Array
22:26:06fileGateway, Gate, I was close
22:26:17HiraghmYeah, but
22:26:25Hiraghmsighs
22:26:30scanlineIt's a programmable chip, like a microcontroller, but instead of programming software you program hardwre
22:26:35scanlines/hardwre/hardware/
22:26:54filewouldn't that make updates hard?
22:27:05scanlineyou draw a schematic, or write some HDL code, and it configures the gates and interconnects in the FPGA to run that hardware
22:27:33filescanline: can you point me to a website with something that uses it?
22:27:37scanlinefile: no, updates would actually be really cool since you could reconfigure the FPGA
22:27:44fileuh huh
22:27:50scanlinefile: xilinx.com, xess.com, fpgacpu.org
22:28:14fileneat
22:28:18scanlinefile: If you go to xess.com, i have the XS40 board. Fun, but too small to implement a PDA on
22:28:39filecool
22:29:08Hiraghmdarn
22:29:12Hiraghmwants a Linux pda
22:29:26fileso do I
22:29:46scanlineI'm still trying to figure out how to implement PicoGUI's rendering engine in hardware... The neat thing about the XS40 board is it also has an 8052 microcontroller on it, so i could run the rendering hardware in the FPGA and parts of pgserver in the 8052
22:30:01filewhich XS40?
22:30:19scanlineThe evil thing about the 8052 is it only has a 32k address space... probably need some funky paging logic.
22:30:34scanlinefile: The one with the XC4010XL FPGA and 128k of SRAM
22:30:51fileuh huh
22:31:27scanlineYeah, the XS40-010XL+
22:31:43filenice.
22:31:57scanline$229. If the spartan board was out then, i would have bought it instead
22:32:08fileuh huh
22:32:37filelooks real good
22:33:51filewould buy a Tuxscreen instead
22:34:34scanlineI've done some fun stuff with it too. Maybe I should start a sourceforge project for open FPGA designs. Not the big VHDL and Verilog models they have on opencores, but simple projects contributed by students
22:34:40fileuh huh
22:36:50filegrumbles
22:47:51Hiraghmgrumbles
22:48:12Hiraghmhm.
22:48:45Hiraghma small screen, bout 2" by 2"... small sbc, bout 2" by 3" or 3" by 4" at most
22:49:08Hiraghmand a nylon wrist case for it with velcro bindings
22:49:09Hiraghmnods
22:49:55fileships a Christmas present to scanline
22:50:08scanlineit's not a bomb, is it?
22:50:11filenah
22:50:15fileI was thinking some Linux stickers
22:50:17filewant them?
22:50:31scanlineooh, linux stickers!
22:51:17filewell?
22:52:14scanlineI'll probably get some next time i order from thinkgeek...
22:52:35filefine then!
22:54:07fileyou get nothing.
22:54:46scanlineNah, what i'd really like for christmas is code :)
22:54:54filecode();
22:54:56filegood enough?
22:55:01scanlineumm, no...
22:55:06scanlinewrite a game for the Tuxscreen :)
22:55:23filesend me a Tuxscreen and I will
22:57:19filewaits for the Tuxscreen to come in the mail
23:00:06fileWait timed out.
23:00:42Hiraghmscanline, I plan on writing a game for the tuxscreen
23:00:49Hiraghmbut first I need to build a cross-compiler for irix
23:00:50Hiraghmsighs
23:01:32scanlineHiraghm: will it use picogui, microwindows, or just a raw framebuffer?
23:01:54scanlineI think that in either case you could develop the app natively on the desktop
23:02:13Hiraghmpicogui
23:02:21Hiraghmyes, but it will never run on the tux w/o a cross compiler
23:02:43Hiraghmmight make a version for microwindows too, but currently I'm running pico on my tux
23:03:04scanlineok... maybe you could get the game working on the desktop and have a friend cross-compile it?
23:03:20scanlineor you could get a login on someone's linux box
23:08:42fileI should go
23:08:53scanlinebye
23:11:35Hiraghmponders a moment
23:11:40filedoesn't leave
23:15:22HiraghmI'd just as soon get a cross-compiler working under Irix
23:15:22Hiraghmcause then I could work on more than just one game.
23:15:22Hiraghmwaves near GPSFan
23:19:17Hiraghmhm
23:27:31Hiraghmwaves near everyone
23:27:31HiraghmBZ!
23:27:31Hiraghmpokes BZFlag
23:28:24Hiraghmwaves near everyone
23:28:24HiraghmBZ!
23:28:24Hiraghmpokes BZFlag
23:31:57filecheers
23:31:58filepeople!
23:32:08Hiraghmso I've heard
23:32:55fileso...
23:39:01GPSFanBZFlag: got the powersupply in the mail today, I'm looking at the PFI circuit. At forst look it seems to be monitoring the AC line rather than the 5V & 3.3V supplies. I'll know more when I've traced out the circuit a bit more.
23:39:18GPSFans/forst/first
23:45:30filewishes everyone a Merry Christmas.
23:50:15filehey scanline
23:50:18hi, scanline
23:50:18scanlinehi
23:50:23what's up, Hiraghm
23:50:23Hiraghmhi
23:50:25scanlinehi ibot
23:50:40Hiraghmibot scanline
23:50:45scanline is the creator of PicoGUI
23:50:45Hiraghmibot1 scanline
23:50:46no idea, scanline
23:50:46scanlineibot1: why did your name change?
23:50:56scanline was last seen on #tuxscreen 0 seconds ago, saying: ibot1, seen scanline? [Mon Dec 24 23:50:56 2001]
23:50:56scanlineibot1, seen scanline?
23:50:57Hiraghmhe crashed out when the rest of you did
23:50:57file: huh?
23:50:57fileibot1 changenick ibot
23:51:02filelaughs
23:51:12I haven't seen 'ibot', file
23:51:12fileibot1, seen ibot?
23:51:16filehaha
23:52:11I haven't seen 'Lord', Hiraghm
23:52:11Hiraghmibot1 seen Lord of the Rings yet?
23:52:30I haven't seen 'Lord_of_the_Rings', file
23:52:30fileibot1 seen Lord_of_the_Rings?
23:52:37filebut you have to!

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