| 00:04:14 | Russ|werk | andersee: are you about? |
| 00:05:55 | andersee | yup |
| 00:06:00 | andersee | sortof |
| 00:06:03 | andersee | ;-) |
| 00:06:50 | Russ|werk | I was adding the device table stuff to mkcramfs and had some questions about expected behavior |
| 00:07:22 | Russ|werk | if a directory is in the device table, but not in the actual tree, what should happen? |
| 00:07:57 | andersee | When a dir is specified in the device table, I create it in the target |
| 00:08:31 | andersee | This comes in handy by making the first dev table entry create /dev |
| 00:08:46 | Russ|werk | is it basically for everything, if its not there, create it, if it is, modify the permissions? |
| 00:10:59 | andersee | yup, thats the plan. |
| 00:11:51 | andersee | And if needed bits are missing, error out. like if I create /dev/foo/bar in the dev table, but /dev/foo does not exist or is not a directory |
| 00:12:44 | CosmicPenguin | They've completely and quitely changed most everything in the new Ipaq bootloader.... :( |
| 00:14:19 | Russ|werk | if (!strcmp(path, "/")) |
| 00:14:19 | Russ|werk | error_msg_and_die("Device table entries require absolute paths\n"); |
| 00:14:41 | Russ|werk | don't you mean, if (path[0] != '/')? |
| 00:16:33 | andersee | Russ|werk: equivalent, but perhaps marginally faster |
| 00:17:17 | Russ|werk | how do you figure |
| 00:17:34 | Russ|werk | don't you want to error out on, somepath/file? |
| 00:17:48 | Russ|werk | er |
| 00:17:54 | Russ|werk | I'm confused with what you want to do |
| 00:18:09 | Russ|werk | what does the entry == "/" have to do with absolute paths? |
| 00:31:10 | andersee | If you have a / at the beginning of a path, it is an absolute file path. i.e. /foo/bar/baz != foo/bar/baz |
| 00:32:17 | Russ|werk | right, but strcmp isn't what you want |
| 00:32:32 | Russ|werk | because strcmp will compare the whole string, not just the first character |
| 00:41:43 | andersee | Ahh, yeah you're right. Clearly a bug. |
| 00:41:49 | andersee | is slow today |
| 00:50:49 | Hiraghm | I blame myself |
| 00:51:20 | Hiraghm | waves near everyone |
| 01:27:30 | andersee | FYI... http://busybox.net/cgi-bin/cvsweb/buildroot/ |
| 01:37:32 | thekernel | puts off til tomorrow what would make him cold doing outside tonight... |
| 01:38:35 | thekernel | I wonder if that is still procrasination |
| 01:46:20 | Tangent | Sounds more like common sense to me :) |
| 01:46:46 | thekernel | It would also be good if I had someone to help me |
| 01:47:19 | thekernel | I need to replace my break light switches. They screw right into my master cylinder. Anytime you open that you bleed your breaks... |
| 01:47:55 | thekernel | Or I could just leave them the way they are and get myself killed for being an idiot. |
| 01:48:23 | Russ|werk | andersee: odd, it works, except: |
| 01:48:25 | Russ|werk | crw-r----- 1 root root 204, 7 Jan 1 00:00 ttySA2 |
| 01:48:25 | Russ|werk | crw-r----- 1 root root 204, 6 Jan 1 00:00 ttySA1 |
| 01:48:25 | Russ|werk | crw--w--w- 1 root root 204, 5 Jan 2 03:01 ttySA0 |
| 01:49:12 | Russ|werk | everything in /dev is correct, and has a 0 timestamp...excetp ttySA0 |
| 01:49:26 | Russ|werk | which is odd, because I don't think cramfs has timestamps |
| 01:49:46 | Russ|werk | "Fri Jan 02 03:03:30 ??? 1970" er, I guess its an mtime |
| 01:50:40 | Russ|werk | hmm...console has its r bit removed... |
| 01:50:47 | RedBeard- | thekernel: I've seen brake bleed kits that are supposed to make it possible to bleed them by yourself, I've never used one, so I don't know how well they work |
| 01:51:47 | thekernel | I wonder if I should get around to putting my new fenders on when I do my breaks... |
| 01:52:01 | RedBeard- | thekernel: what kind of car is it? |
| 01:52:08 | thekernel | '74 Bug |
| 01:52:26 | RedBeard- | super or regular? |
| 01:52:32 | thekernel | regular |
| 01:52:45 | RedBeard- | fun car |
| 01:52:49 | thekernel | I know :) |
| 01:52:51 | RedBeard- | bad in cold weather |
| 01:53:19 | thekernel | The engine has trouble really warming up until I start driving, but it's great in snow... |
| 01:53:26 | Russ|werk | away |
| 01:54:17 | RedBeard- | the heater in them always makes me nervous |
| 01:54:25 | thekernel | heater? |
| 01:54:29 | RedBeard- | right |
| 01:55:09 | RedBeard- | if you've got one, it's burning gas, if you don't, the windows are always fogged up |
| 01:55:15 | RedBeard- | at least that was my exp. |
| 01:55:23 | thekernel | If my windshield starts to fog I roll down my window a tiny bit. |
| 01:55:38 | RedBeard- | they're still cool cars |
| 01:56:02 | thekernel | I know.. In a couple of years I'm going to get a bus. Pre '79 preferably |
| 01:56:32 | thekernel | Though, they aren't terribly powerful with the air cooled engines. |
| 01:57:00 | thekernel | A Karman Ghia would also be cool :) |
| 01:58:19 | RedBeard- | I've heard of ppl getting a micro-bus or a Karman Ghia and putting an porche 914 engine in it. It's supposed to be an easy job with the bus, and a lot of work with the KG |
| 01:59:46 | RedBeard- | n2iko, is patches your dog? |
| 01:59:47 | thekernel | The '79 bus I think it was had a slight variation of the P914 engine. That's why it's so easy |
| 01:59:52 | RedBeard- | ewps |
| 02:00:22 | RedBeard- | yup |
| 02:00:37 | thekernel | My friends told me I should put the Porche engine in my bug |
| 02:00:48 | thekernel | Instead I have worked to make it stock... |
| 02:01:38 | RedBeard- | I've seen small block Chev v8's put in bugs, I think I like the stock idea better |
| 02:07:27 | thekernel | It runs real good. I've only replaced every peripheral part of the engine. |
| 02:07:38 | thekernel | I still have good compression though. |
| 02:11:51 | Hiraghm | Okay, I give up. Every time I try to run Outlook Express on my Tuxscreen, it GPFs. |
| 02:12:15 | thekernel | Wow, it doesn't even need to get a virus to die :) |
| 02:12:19 | Hiraghm | peers around the room wondering if anyone buys it. |
| 02:12:55 | Hiraghm | I got a response from Newtek. |
| 02:12:56 | thekernel | Hiraghm: either way, it should show up as an unknown executable type... |
| 02:13:04 | thekernel | Newtek? |
| 02:13:14 | | thekernel: no idea |
| 02:13:14 | thekernel | ibot: Newtek? |
| 02:13:33 | Hiraghm | I bought Lighwave 7.0b from Newtek last month |
| 02:13:53 | thekernel | Lightwave is still around? |
| 02:13:56 | Hiraghm | for $2500. The other day I heard about a december special they emailed to people selling it for $995. |
| 02:14:08 | Hiraghm | Yeah, they just released 7.0b for PC/Mac |
| 02:14:20 | thekernel | mmm.. Mac... |
| 02:14:34 | Hiraghm | anyway, I emailed them. |
| 02:14:45 | Hiraghm | They're going to send me a free copy of Aura 2. |
| 02:14:59 | thekernel | I'd hope so |
| 02:15:04 | thekernel | Is Aura 2 cool? |
| 02:15:12 | Hiraghm | (that's their $895 2d Paint program) |
| 02:15:40 | Hiraghm | Reading up on it on their site, it's got some features I miss from my old Deluxe Paint days. |
| 02:15:59 | Hiraghm | how do I make an ibot entry for Newtek? |
| 02:16:38 | thekernel | Hiraghm: "ibot: Newtek is ..." |
| 02:16:43 | Hiraghm | ah. thanks |
| 02:17:28 | | Hiraghm: huh? |
| 02:17:28 | Hiraghm | ibot: Newtek - http://www.newtek.com Makers of Lightwave 3D, Aura [2] and the new Video Toaster NT. |
| 02:17:34 | | Hiraghm: excuse me? |
| 02:17:34 | Hiraghm | ibot don't make me spank you |
| 02:17:57 | | OK, Hiraghm. |
| 02:17:57 | Hiraghm | ibot: Newtek is http://www.newtek.com Makers of Lightwave 3D, Aura [2] and the new Video Toaster NT. |
| 02:18:01 | | i heard Newtek was http://www.newtek.com Makers of Lightwave 3D, Aura [2] and the new Video Toaster NT. |
| 02:18:01 | Hiraghm | ibot Newtek |
| 02:18:02 | thekernel | Hiraghm: you forgot the is ;) |
| 02:18:14 | Hiraghm | yeah, I wuz dum. 8c) |
| 02:18:30 | | debian is a Linux-Distribution (http://www.debian.org) |
| 02:18:30 | thekernel | ibot: debian? |
| 02:18:40 | | okay, thekernel. |
| 02:18:40 | thekernel | ibot: debian is also very cool |
| 02:18:45 | | debian is a Linux-Distribution (http://www.debian.org) or very cool |
| 02:18:45 | thekernel | ibot: debian? |
| 02:18:51 | thekernel | Sweet |
| 02:18:52 | | FreeBSD is running into the same teething problems Linux was 6 years ago |
| 02:18:52 | Hiraghm | ibot: FreeBSD? |
| 02:19:07 | | Hiraghm: de nada |
| 02:19:07 | Hiraghm | thanks, ibot |
| 02:19:21 | | Hiraghm: i'm not following you... |
| 02:19:21 | Hiraghm | ibot arigato |
| 02:19:29 | | Hiraghm: i'm not following you... |
| 02:19:29 | Hiraghm | ibot: I'm not going anywhere |
| 02:21:03 | | thekernel: excuse me? |
| 02:21:03 | thekernel | ibot: gnome |
| 02:21:05 | | OK, Hiraghm. |
| 02:21:05 | Hiraghm | ibot: Extra Terrestrial Imports is http://www.xtimports.com Hiraghm's graphics and software development company |
| 02:21:06 | | bugger all, i dunno, thekernel |
| 02:21:06 | thekernel | ibot: gnome? |
| 02:21:16 | | ...but extra terrestrial imports is http://www.xtimports.com Hiraghm's graphics and software development company... |
| 02:21:16 | Hiraghm | ibot: Extra Terrestrial Imports is a joke. |
| 02:21:21 | | thekernel: i don't know |
| 02:21:21 | thekernel | ibot: GNOME? |
| 02:21:30 | | Extra Terrestrial Imports is http://www.xtimports.com your graphics and software development company |
| 02:21:30 | Hiraghm | ibot Extra Terrestrial Imports |
| 02:21:50 | | okay, Hiraghm. |
| 02:21:50 | Hiraghm | ibot: Extra Terrestrial Imports is also a joke. |
| 02:21:56 | | Extra Terrestrial Imports is http://www.xtimports.com your graphics and software development company or a joke. |
| 02:21:56 | Hiraghm | ibot Extra Terrestrial Imports |
| 02:22:03 | Hiraghm | That'll work 8c) |
| 02:22:05 | | thekernel: excuse me? |
| 02:22:05 | thekernel | ibot: doh! |
| 02:22:12 | | hiraghm: i don't know |
| 02:22:12 | Hiraghm | ibot: Irix? |
| 02:22:21 | | rumour has it Extra Terrestrial Imports is http://www.xtimports.com Hiraghm's graphics and software development company or a joke |
| 02:22:21 | thekernel | ibot Extra Terrestrial Imports |
| 02:22:42 | Hiraghm | one and the same, Ibot. one and the same |
| 02:22:43 | Hiraghm | sighs. |
| 02:23:10 | Hiraghm | So is it just you me and ibot here? Or is anyone else awake? |
| 02:23:13 | | OK, thekernel. |
| 02:23:13 | thekernel | ibot: doh! is a catchphrase Homer Simpson uses quite alot |
| 02:23:21 | thekernel | doh! |
| 02:23:25 | | i guess doh! is a catchphrase Homer Simpson uses quite alot |
| 02:23:25 | thekernel | ibot: doh! |
| 02:23:27 | | thekernel: huh? |
| 02:23:27 | thekernel | ibot: doh |
| 02:23:43 | Hiraghm | waves near spse_ |
| 02:24:03 | | thekernel: huh? |
| 02:24:03 | thekernel | ibot: see doh! for doh |
| 02:24:06 | thekernel | doh! |
| 02:24:10 | | doh! is a catchphrase Homer Simpson uses quite alot |
| 02:24:10 | thekernel | ibot doh! |
| 02:24:15 | thekernel | cool |
| 02:24:19 | thekernel | Hi spse_ |
| 02:24:33 | Hiraghm | woot. Carmack's releasing the Q2 engine to GPL! |
| 02:24:47 | spse_ | lo |
| 02:25:00 | thekernel | wow |
| 02:25:05 | thekernel | When? where? |
| 02:25:10 | Hiraghm | http://www.linuxgames.com |
| 02:25:22 | thekernel | is gone.. voom |
| 02:27:41 | thekernel | safely tucks a copy of the quake2 source away in his archives... |
| 02:28:19 | Hiraghm | beams a smile at thekernel |
| 02:28:33 | jacquesZzZz | whooo!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 02:28:36 | jacquesZzZz | nice |
| 02:29:31 | jacquesZzZz | too many users :-( |
| 02:29:38 | Hiraghm | heh |
| 02:30:24 | Hiraghm | what is PS2 Linux? |
| 02:30:52 | thekernel | It's linux for the PlayStation 2 |
| 02:31:11 | thekernel | jacquesZzZz : too many users for what? |
| 02:31:36 | Hiraghm | Already a Linux for PS2? |
| 02:31:41 | Hiraghm | what's it use for a key board? |
| 02:32:39 | thekernel | I think USB |
| 02:40:16 | thekernel | wanders off to read... |
| 02:50:14 | Hiraghm | waves near Vito |
| 02:50:18 | Vito` | hey |
| 03:00:40 | scanline | is away: watching stargate sg1 |
| 03:00:49 | Hiraghm | groans |
| 03:00:54 | Hiraghm | is missing Stargate SG1 |
| 03:13:20 | Tangent | i |
| 03:13:27 | Tangent | Doh... you're not my vi window |
| 03:15:25 | Hiraghm | I are not your vi window. |
| 03:15:26 | Hiraghm | nods |
| 03:15:37 | | rumour has it Hiraghm is Batman |
| 03:15:37 | Hiraghm | ibot Hiraghm? |
| 03:15:45 | Hiraghm | cackles |
| 03:21:21 | | bzflag was last seen on #tuxscreen 10 hours, 22 minutes and 19 seconds ago, saying: sweet. well I'm outta here. back on later. [Fri Dec 21 16:59:02 2001] |
| 03:21:21 | nelson | ibot: seen bzflag? |
| 03:21:35 | nelson | I wonder how much later he meant? |
| 03:21:51 | Hiraghm | maybe he was speaking metacosmically. |
| 03:30:29 | RedBeard- | I last talked to him at about 6pm |
| 03:30:34 | RedBeard- | that's mtn. time |
| 03:30:43 | RedBeard- | today even |
| 03:31:12 | RedBeard- | so, he's not dead, at least not dead yet |
| 03:31:17 | Hiraghm | waves near jeffrey |
| 03:31:24 | Tangent | how do I do sysreq on the tux keyboard? |
| 03:33:17 | thekernel | Is it even documented as working for ARM? |
| 03:33:22 | BZFlag | is here. |
| 03:35:43 | Tangent | BZFlag : Hi |
| 03:40:03 | BZFlag | Tangent: hi. cronjob looks to be working now. ;-) |
| 03:40:26 | Tangent | BZFlag : Supercool... good work :D |
| 03:40:41 | BZFlag | aw, gee, ;-) |
| 03:47:46 | scanline | is back (gone 00:47:06) |
| 03:51:38 | RedBeard- | home time |
| 04:08:15 | thekernel | Sweet! I just found that I can use symbolic links to have interoperability between kmail and pine! |
| 04:08:34 | Hiraghm | on a Tuxscreen? |
| 04:08:36 | thekernel | is very excited about this... |
| 04:08:42 | thekernel | No, on my desktop... |
| 04:09:03 | Hiraghm | waves near BZFlag |
| 04:09:14 | Hiraghm | BZ, Newtek's going to send me a copy of Aura [2] |
| 04:09:15 | thekernel | I guess is just doesn't seem as cool if it's not on the tuxscreen... |
| 04:18:32 | thekernel | prepares to go to kmail for email at home... |
| 04:20:55 | thekernel | is about to upgrade his kde packages. This has always been a source of pain (20 minutes of extra trouble) |
| 04:34:51 | Hiraghm | I dunno. |
| 04:54:58 | thekernel | Ahh.. nothing like dpkg --force-all -i with kdebase-libs doesn't want to work... |
| 04:55:11 | thekernel | s/with/when/ |
| 04:55:59 | Hiraghm | nods |
| 05:06:53 | BZFlag | Hiraghm: aura? |
| 05:06:55 | Hiraghm | What could it indicate if web pages and images are incomplete? |
| 05:07:11 | Hiraghm | Aura is Newtek's 2D paint program... $895. |
| 05:08:24 | Hiraghm | Quite often my web pages end with html tags at the bottom, or with images half finished. |
| 05:09:23 | Hiraghm | Oh! BZ... Carmack's released the source to Quake 2 to GPL. http://www.linuxgames.com |
| 05:10:34 | BZFlag | sweet. |
| 05:11:19 | andersee | Guess I need to pony up some bucks to buy a copy now (same as I did when they GPLd Quake 1) |
| 05:11:34 | Hiraghm | whyzat? |
| 05:11:50 | Hiraghm | I just got quake 2 a couple weeks ago. It makes me sick 8c( |
| 05:13:19 | BZFlag | Hiraghm: you a parent? you need to reward good behaviour. ;-) |
| 05:14:18 | Hiraghm | scratches his head |
| 05:14:24 | Hiraghm | no, I'm not. |
| 05:14:36 | Hiraghm | Oh! I see |
| 05:14:44 | Hiraghm | You mean Id |
| 05:16:33 | BZFlag | yep |
| 05:17:06 | BZFlag | they didn't gpl the levels, just the engine, right? |
| 05:18:31 | Hiraghm | yop |
| 05:19:37 | thekernel | I'm trying to get myself slashdoted :) |
| 05:42:39 | Morn | is away: crashing, burning, and coding... |
| 07:38:12 | jacquesZzZz | hi ho |
| 10:22:36 | scanline | is away: sleepy time |
| 13:43:07 | ctr | is away: going out |
| 13:48:22 | ctr | is away: really gone. |
| 14:11:44 | file | AlHaz you alive? |
| 14:13:28 | file | guess not. |
| 16:25:34 | andersee | FYI -- uClibc 0.9.8 released -- http://uclibc.org/ |
| 17:37:56 | Keyser | does anyone know how to check md5sums on a windows 98 machine? |
| 17:38:30 | Keyser | i downloaded a utility, but it doesn't like long filenames (i don't know if that matters) |
| 17:38:48 | Keyser | when i use the 8 character dos filenames, ALL the md5sums are wrong (for 3 files) |
| 17:45:37 | Keyser | anyone know how long it should take to compute a md5sum on a 650mb file? |
| 17:46:19 | Keyser | nevermind, it just came back. and it has the right answer, this time. |
| 17:46:23 | andersee | On running it on a tuxscreen phone? About a week... ;-) |
| 17:47:36 | Keyser | it was funny, the first md5sum program i downloaded returned answers immediately (on a 650mb file), but they were wrong. |
| 20:03:53 | scanline | is back (gone 09:41:17) |
| 20:40:08 | scanline | is away: movies! (and there's only one) |
| 21:10:41 | file | pokes everyone |
| 21:12:42 | andersee | ow! |
| 21:12:52 | file | wow - your alive |
| 21:15:49 | andersee | nah. Just faking. |
| 21:15:57 | file | pity. |
| 21:20:49 | Hiraghm | Hi |
| 21:39:54 | CosmicPenguin | Hello... |
| 21:41:54 | Hiraghm | Hi! |
| 22:09:41 | CosmicPenguin | Anyone started to port Quake 2 to the tuxscreen yet? |
| 22:10:57 | ctr | hahaha |
| 22:10:57 | ctr | would it even work? |
| 22:11:15 | ctr | the source is quite nice |
| 22:11:15 | ctr | although my memory manager is faster |
| 22:11:15 | ctr | :) |
| 22:11:42 | Hiraghm | hm |
| 22:11:48 | Hiraghm | haven't started yet |
| 22:11:58 | Hiraghm | haven't looked at the q2 source yet either |
| 22:12:07 | Hiraghm | I assume it uses floating point. |
| 22:12:18 | CosmicPenguin | ctr: It shouldn't be too hard.... we ported Q1 to nano-x really quickly.... |
| 22:12:41 | CosmicPenguin | ctr: And with the new pre8, we have client side framebuffer access as well.... |
| 22:12:46 | ctr | watched Top Gun on dvd |
| 22:12:47 | ctr | wates that is |
| 22:12:47 | ctr | watches |
| 22:13:04 | CosmicPenguin | Hiraghm: I doubt they use floating point...... |
| 22:13:05 | ctr | CosmicPenguin: cool |
| 22:13:25 | ctr | ooh, nice |
| 22:13:25 | ctr | :) |
| 22:13:38 | CosmicPenguin | ctr: I just downloaded it... Of course, now I'll have to dig out my old Q2 disk for the media..... |
| 22:14:05 | ctr | uhm |
| 22:14:05 | ctr | yeah there is some floating point stuff i saw |
| 22:14:06 | CosmicPenguin | And we'll need a large CF just to get it onto the tuxscreen.... The ipaq need not apply of course.. :( |
| 22:14:25 | ctr | but not sure if that was in the gl code or not |
| 22:14:25 | CosmicPenguin | ctr: Damn.... I thought they were smarter than that |
| 22:14:31 | Hiraghm | can the float routines be replaced with fixed? |
| 22:14:46 | ctr | heh |
| 22:14:46 | ctr | i left my q2 disk at my home in birmingham |
| 22:15:02 | CosmicPenguin | Hiraghm: Usually.... but it takes some thought |
| 22:15:07 | ctr | CosmicPenguin: nfs root :) |
| 22:15:14 | Hiraghm | oh, well that leaves me out |
| 22:15:18 | Hiraghm | sighs, clearly disappointed |
| 22:15:28 | ctr | Hiraghm: not easily |
| 22:15:28 | ctr | Hiraghm: (afaik) |
| 22:15:29 | CosmicPenguin | ctr: Oh yeah, forgot about that.... not even a NFS root, just an NFS mount would do |
| 22:16:03 | Keyser | LOL. Q2 on the tux? |
| 22:16:12 | CosmicPenguin | Hiraghm: Remember, all the calculations on the processor are integer math, so it is possible... |
| 22:16:12 | ctr | CosmicPenguin: true |
| 22:16:13 | Hiraghm | I was thinking of maybe trying to get Chris Lampton's raycast engine from "Gardens of Imagination" to work on the tux |
| 22:16:34 | ctr | CosmicPenguin: but, it'd be a shitty game to play with an infrared kb and no mouse =P |
| 22:16:50 | Hiraghm | hey, there's cursor keys |
| 22:16:51 | Keyser | get a 100bT NIC, and then run Q2 on another PC, with VNC on the tux. the frame rate will probably be better that way |
| 22:16:58 | CosmicPenguin | But if I recall, even simple stuff like sin() and cos() get a bit complicated for integer math.... I'l have to pull out the ol' computations book |
| 22:17:03 | Hiraghm | I don't use the mouse a lot to play EQ |
| 22:17:22 | CosmicPenguin | ctr: All keyboard, all the time I guess..... I usually use the mouse too, but to get it up there would just be a cool hack |
| 22:17:46 | Hiraghm | Cosmic, Lampton used fixed-point routines for his raycast engine in the book. That's why I was considering it. |
| 22:17:52 | ctr | sure |
| 22:17:52 | ctr | even to play a demo |
| 22:18:04 | ctr | see how many fps you get |
| 22:18:13 | Hiraghm | no |
| 22:18:18 | Hiraghm | what we really need to port to the tux |
| 22:18:20 | Hiraghm | is Myst |
| 22:18:30 | Hiraghm | ducks and runs away giggling madly |
| 22:18:37 | CosmicPenguin | ctr: I'll bet we don't get many FPS.... |
| 22:18:40 | CosmicPenguin | BZFlag: You around? |
| 22:18:47 | | i heard BZFlag was TimRiker or a 3D internet multiplayer multiplatform (linux, irix, win32, etc) opensource opengl Battlezone capture the flag game that you must try at http://BZFlag.org/ debian arm linux contains a version that will run on the ipaq at like 6 fps |
| 22:18:47 | Hiraghm | ibot BZFlag? |
| 22:18:54 | | BZFlag was last seen on #bzflag 11 hours, 26 minutes and 57 seconds ago, saying: 3:53am up 31 days, 4:29, 1 user, load average: 0.08, 0.03, 0.01 [Sat Dec 22 10:51:57 2001] |
| 22:18:54 | Hiraghm | ibot seen BZFlag? |
| 22:19:00 | CosmicPenguin | Oh, there it is..... |
| 22:19:12 | CosmicPenguin | BZFlag runs at 6fps on the arm...... :) |
| 22:19:31 | | hmmm... Hiraghm is Batman |
| 22:19:31 | Hiraghm | ibot Hiraghm? |
| 22:19:45 | | you are more than a crook-pated coagulation of plume-plucked toxic waste |
| 22:19:45 | Keyser | ibot: keyser? |
| 22:19:49 | Keyser | still? |
| 22:19:55 | Hiraghm | heehee |
| 22:19:55 | ctr | well in that case i'd say it's probably not even worth the 'cool' hack value |
| 22:19:55 | CosmicPenguin | So, that would put Q2 in the same boat... maybe even a bit slower |
| 22:20:02 | | ...but keyser is more than a crook-pated coagulation of plume-plucked toxic waste... |
| 22:20:02 | Keyser | ibot: keyser is not so bad, after all. |
| 22:20:08 | Keyser | NO! |
| 22:20:10 | | ...but keyser is more than a crook-pated coagulation of plume-plucked toxic waste... |
| 22:20:10 | Keyser | ibot: keyser is not so bad, after all. |
| 22:20:19 | CosmicPenguin | iibot forget keyser |
| 22:20:19 | | ...but hiraghm is Batman... |
| 22:20:19 | Hiraghm | ibot: Hiraghm is the overabove-underthing of Extra Terrestrial Imports |
| 22:20:24 | Hiraghm | don't argue |
| 22:20:28 | | CosmicPenguin: I forgot keyser |
| 22:20:28 | CosmicPenguin | ibot forget keyser |
| 22:20:31 | | OK, Keyser. |
| 22:20:31 | Keyser | ibot: keyser is not so bad, after all. |
| 22:20:36 | | somebody said keyser was not so bad, after all. |
| 22:20:36 | Keyser | ibot: keyser? |
| 22:20:42 | | i guess Hiraghm is Batman |
| 22:20:42 | Hiraghm | ibot Hiraghm? |
| 22:20:43 | ctr | boris? |
| 22:20:47 | | well, boris is not going to sit and write software i am not interested in, in boris's spare time, to make people happy |
| 22:20:47 | CosmicPenguin | ibot: boris |
| 22:20:56 | | Hiraghm: I forgot hiraghm |
| 22:20:56 | Hiraghm | ibot: forget Hiraghm |
| 22:20:58 | CosmicPenguin | hehehe..... thats pretty cool |
| 22:20:58 | | hmmm... i_bot is trying to take over the world. |
| 22:20:58 | Keyser | ibot: i_bot? |
| 22:21:23 | | OK, Keyser. |
| 22:21:23 | Keyser | ibot: hiraghm is more than a crook-pated coagulation of plume-plucked toxic waste... |
| 22:21:32 | | ...but hiraghm is more than a crook-pated coagulation of plume-plucked toxic waste...... |
| 22:21:32 | Hiraghm | ibot: Hiraghm is Extra Terrestrial Imports |
| 22:21:44 | Hiraghm | kicks Keyser |
| 22:21:50 | ctr | hheehehe |
| 22:21:50 | | Hiraghm: I forgot hiraghm |
| 22:21:50 | Hiraghm | ibot: forget Hiraghm |
| 22:21:55 | | OK, Hiraghm. |
| 22:21:55 | Hiraghm | ibot: Hiraghm is Extra Terrestrial Imports |
| 22:21:56 | | ...but hiraghm is Extra Terrestrial Imports... |
| 22:21:56 | Keyser | ibot: hiraghm is more than a crook-pated coagulation of plume-plucked toxic waste... |
| 22:22:05 | | okay, Hiraghm. |
| 22:22:05 | Hiraghm | ibot: Hiraghm is also a small furry alien |
| 22:22:07 | ctr | CosmicPenguin: successfully managed to add switch to ferite last night |
| 22:22:13 | | hmmm... Hiraghm is Extra Terrestrial Imports or a small furry alien |
| 22:22:13 | Hiraghm | ibot Hiraghm? |
| 22:22:13 | CosmicPenguin | ctr: Cool..... |
| 22:22:25 | | i heard Extra Terrestrial Imports was http://www.xtimports.com your graphics and software development company or a joke. |
| 22:22:25 | Hiraghm | ibot Extra Terrestrial Imports? |
| 22:22:25 | ctr | CosmicPenguin: works like a charm |
| 22:22:48 | CosmicPenguin | ctr: Thats so cool.... |
| 22:22:57 | CosmicPenguin | ctr: I'll have to grab a copy after the holidays |
| 22:24:00 | ctr | CosmicPenguin: i am planning for .5 reworking the module system so you can mix native and script code like java |
| 22:24:00 | ctr | .4 has one more thing to sort out |
| 22:24:20 | ctr | then i can release that |
| 22:24:26 | Hiraghm | release what? |
| 22:24:36 | CosmicPenguin | ctr: How big are your binaries? |
| 22:25:01 | ctr | .6 will introduce threading |
| 22:25:01 | ctr | .7 will introduce? who knows..... |
| 22:25:21 | Hiraghm | release what? |
| 22:25:22 | ctr | CosmicPenguin: libferite is about 190K |
| 22:25:22 | CosmicPenguin | ctr: .7 will introduce GUI bindings |
| 22:25:35 | CosmicPenguin | ctr: uclibc or regular? |
| 22:25:43 | ctr | CosmicPenguin: modules are about 10K stripped |
| 22:26:00 | CosmicPenguin | Woohoo - I've got pixil! |
| 22:26:06 | CosmicPenguin | And I've got bugs... :( |
| 22:26:25 | ctr | CosmicPenguin: not tried against ulibc yet |
| 22:26:47 | Hiraghm | pokes ctr |
| 22:27:31 | ctr | i plan on seperateing out all non ferite calls to a seperate file to make proting easier |
| 22:27:31 | ctr | Hiraghm: http://www.ferite.org |
| 22:28:16 | ctr | .7 will probably be a cleaning and optimising release |
| 22:33:09 | ctr | heh |
| 22:33:09 | ctr | gone quiet |
| 22:33:21 | CosmicPenguin | sorry.... I was just playing with my new toy... :) |
| 22:33:33 | Hiraghm | new toy? |
| 22:33:44 | CosmicPenguin | Hiraghm: Ipaq...:) |
| 22:33:47 | Hiraghm | is busy searching 3d tutorial sites |
| 22:33:53 | Hiraghm | ohh. I hear they're nice toyz. |
| 22:33:58 | ctr | heh |
| 22:33:58 | ctr | whats that? |
| 22:34:34 | ctr | hmmm |
| 22:34:34 | ctr | i'd love an ipaq |
| 22:36:02 | CosmicPenguin | ctr: I got it because I am more likely to fix bugs quicker when they annoy me.... |
| 22:36:02 | Hiraghm | I'd like an Ipaq |
| 22:36:02 | Hiraghm | I think I'd like that new Zaurus better though |
| 22:36:02 | CosmicPenguin | All software developers should be forced to use their own software... |
| 22:36:03 | CosmicPenguin | Hiraghm: why? |
| 22:36:13 | Hiraghm | runs linux and has a keyboard |
| 22:36:26 | CosmicPenguin | Hiraghm: So in other words, you like the keyboard.... :) |
| 22:36:31 | Hiraghm | wants a handheld keyboard that lets you use the darned screen in landscape mode! |
| 22:36:43 | Hiraghm | and the Linux |
| 22:36:47 | ctr | CosmicPenguin: yep |
| 22:36:57 | CosmicPenguin | Hiraghm: Ipaq runs 4 different linux distros.... |
| 22:37:03 | ctr | CosmicPenguin: what drives me to polish ferite every now and then, purely because it anoys me |
| 22:37:22 | Hiraghm | yeah, but I gotta risk making a brick to do it. |
| 22:37:27 | CosmicPenguin | We had a keyboard on a pda once, and it was kinda cool, but bulky.... |
| 22:37:30 | Hiraghm | like with the tux (which is why I had BZ do it for me... 8c) |
| 22:37:46 | CosmicPenguin | Hiraghm: Nah.... I've personally flashed about 5 Ipaqs, haven't bricked one yet |
| 22:38:01 | ctr | heh |
| 22:38:01 | ctr | i did it myself |
| 22:38:13 | ctr | was fun |
| 22:38:25 | CosmicPenguin | ctr: I've done three tuxes so far.. Nothing like pulling out 6 AA batteries and a couple of wires.... |
| 22:39:08 | Hiraghm | I've got this old calculator.. was built into a bifold case (vinyl). Left side was display and normal keys.. right side was filled with touch keys. That's what I want for a PDA, cept I want to be able to turn it sideways. |
| 22:39:27 | Hiraghm | waves near Keyser |
| 22:39:37 | CosmicPenguin | Hiraghm: You need an acclerometer or gyroscope for that... :) |
| 22:39:58 | Hiraghm | (left side display, right side keys; rotate 90 degrees and thumb type) |
| 22:40:06 | CosmicPenguin | Hiraghm: Which,BTW, I'll bet we see that on the next generation Ipaq..... |
| 22:40:30 | CosmicPenguin | And that will be *soooo* cool..... |
| 22:40:48 | ctr | CosmicPenguin: quick question, what would you prefer, and AWT style system for ferite where you can plug any toolkit into it maintina scriptlevel api consistancy, ot script stright to toolkit? |
| 22:40:55 | Hiraghm | yeah, well I'm waiting. |
| 22:41:48 | CosmicPenguin | ctr: Thats a tough question...... I usually prefer straight to toolkit, but API consistancy is more compatible |
| 22:41:56 | Hiraghm | heh. I'd settle for a "global" like they use in "Earth: Anal Conflict" with the pull-out screen. |
| 22:42:10 | CosmicPenguin | Especially these days, when everyone wants to run half a dozen toolkits on the same device... |
| 22:44:30 | CosmicPenguin | Well, its time for me to go, fight the crowds and then head home..... |
| 22:44:43 | CosmicPenguin | everyone have a very merry christmas, I'll see you next week some time |
| 22:45:03 | ctr | i was thinking that if i get a generic set of ui widgets covered, and then add the ability to ask the toolkit for 'special' widgets for when you are programming a specialist app |
| 22:45:24 | ctr | cos:lasters and have a good one too |
| 22:46:33 | Hiraghm | hm.. |
| 22:54:31 | Hiraghm | is the .md3 format much different than the .md2? |
| 22:54:51 | Hiraghm | (getting back to quake 2 8c) |
| 23:34:11 | Hiraghm | bounces up and down |
| 23:35:06 | prpplague | howdy all |
| 23:35:14 | prpplague | anything interesting happening today? |
| 23:35:18 | Hiraghm | yes |
| 23:35:25 | Hiraghm | guy tried to blow up an airliner |
| 23:35:41 | Hiraghm | carmack released the quake2 source to GPL |
| 23:35:43 | Hiraghm | (well, that was yesterday) |
| 23:36:46 | prpplague | hmm |
| 23:37:38 | Hiraghm | hmm? |
| 23:37:44 | Hiraghm | http://www.linuxgames.com |
| 23:40:03 | prpplague | nice |
| 23:40:16 | prpplague | quake2 to gpl that is |
| 23:40:46 | Hiraghm | nods |
| 23:40:48 | Hiraghm | I agree |
| 23:42:06 | prpplague | closed source has its place, but its almost a religious experience when someone decides to place code into a GPL license |
| 23:42:29 | Hiraghm | I believe in closed source when it will make me money |
| 23:42:30 | Hiraghm | rubs his hands together greedily |
| 23:43:40 | prpplague | makes plenty of money on open source |
| 23:43:59 | prpplague | makes more money on open source than he ever did on closed source |
| 23:44:07 | Hiraghm | wonders how prplague makes money on open source |
| 23:44:50 | Hiraghm | biggest reason I'd want my code to be close source is that I wouldn't want people to look at my code and laugh at me 8c( |
| 23:44:55 | prpplague | http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS8485254374.html |
| 23:45:07 | prpplague | Hiraghm: lol, me too |